📚lore_discussion

[warm adder]

tasim cart

aledar cart vs tasim cart

[digital swan]

aletank

[drifting aurora]

we should bring back aledar in fruma and kill him off again

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Noo

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i lost that image i need it again

yay

whered it go

[digital swan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077047400939667517/1450263518468116570/attachment.png?ex=69530a27&is=6951b8a7&hm=2d714b47301aac5181a25a03cbfc2426e91835965468e3c8048788a3ecfef161&

ye

[warm adder]

yay aletank

[regal spire]

Have every major character be killed at the end of the questline

[digital swan]

wtf was that other garbage

[regal spire]

Easier to keep track of characters later on

[digital swan]

there's also alehelicavalry which isn't in game yet but it's terrifying

[dim plover]

Ok I’ll make two variations of the skin with different colors and then I’ll decide what to do after

[warm adder]

is there an image

[digital swan]

no

[dim plover]

At least for Junes she stayed pretty much the same so that one’s fine

[warm adder]

who made aletank anyway

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/huey-gif-22064960

[regal spire]

Aledars! Form of: Aledar Tank

[digital swan]

replace each person in this with an aledar

and you have an idea what alehelicavalry looks like

[hybrid gazelle]

Lucio also got a fan of his own

not many but I feell ike those people should matter in equation

Honestly I been thinking about how to include Lucio in AJB in a way that he fit

so I kinda intrest on how the game would actually do it

Honestly I really like the idea of this very excited adventurer wanting to go place that nobody seen before

it would recontextualize his more "reckless" behaviour as someone who just really cant wait to explore this expanse that been lock away for many years

I feel like that would make his death feel more heart breaking because like the guy just want to explore uncharted land

and then he meet wit hthe
Horror

[digital swan]

fun fact alehelicavalry is actually only the second helicopter cavalry in the wynncraft universe after the orange wybel's army which is carried by UFWs acting as LCVPs

[warm adder]

what the

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly I like the idea Lucio just being this person who is full of potential and just have a lot of energy for adventuring and expendition

so maybe that why he brought into the team for moral purpose and the fact that his proficiency in magic could help the group in someway

it also can enchance the horror by makign SE just feel liek absolutely merciless place by just killing a character who were introduce as very excitable and just want to explore this new region

it liuke one of those horror movie moment when a character attempt to understnad the horror in one way or another and get killed for it

[warm adder]

what about elphab

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Elphaba could just be another competent adventuer tbh

sometime a character could have purpose by not having abnormal trait at all

her being competent adventurer just make Lucio more stand out while herself could bounce off from Aledar

her existence simply make the group more competent

and consider she appear in the quest, she could be just someone we previously work with before

and have some frame reference for her skill

[misty sail]

why the FUCK are you everywhere

every wynn related server

every channel

[charred wharf]

Finished RoL last night and I spent part of it literally in hype mode to finally see Lari doing something other than getting stuck in her head.

I know the turn is kinda jarring and probably needs a quest between 4 and 5 to show her warming up to the idea of doing what is needed instead of just going ham on you know who, but yes. This is what I was waiting for.

[hybrid gazelle]

nice

[charred wharf]

My main complaint I currently have from my travels, which may be just an out of order thing, is how disconnected the entire elf thing with them killing the forest guardian is to what it caused with the potential merging of the realms situation and them being the reason the parasite was even able to cross over (unless Im wrong on that front)

Maybe there are later quests that clarify this tho.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeaha ldorei's secrect definitely

exist

[charred wharf]

It seems like such a big deal to just leave hanging out in the open like that.

And unless I am just dumb, I didnt see Aldorei having any other quests in it so it seems completely missable in the grand scheme of things unless you are following the content guide.

[charred wharf]

Just looked over the wiki, and yea. Outside of those quests, its more or less not used. Thats frustrating and I hope they put more there to flesh it out in the future.

That being said, I guess the same could be said of a lot of locations.

[hybrid gazelle]

Gavel running to the case where they add so much content intitally that they cant make content for every location

so now efilim got liek 1 quest that associate wit hit and that quest it not even about it

all quantity but no quality

Midvel moment

[charred wharf]

Efilim is the talking frog quest right?

Either way, fantastic stuff overall. Questions I still have:
Did Lari actually drive off dude or not? I didnt see her around the Nexus after that fight during the saving of Ori, so I assume she left after him to try to deal with that problem?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

she just follow him to Dern

[polar vine]

she better not come back

[charred wharf]

Aw. I liked her tho.

[hybrid gazelle]

just ignore them

[charred wharf]

Ok, so now that I am level 80 and have seemingly resolved the Parasite issue (That raid is very fun but very hard), what is the next questline I need to be paying attention to for good lore nuggets?

[hybrid gazelle]

DND I guess

[warm adder]

Bored

[digital swan]

I'm pretty sure he's salted's younger brother

so he's probably gonna be everywhere

[cold cove]

????

What on earth makes you think that

[ember coyote]

Apparently qira likes chocolate

Gale: Oh, you want the juicy stuff. I getcha! Yeah, with her being so mysterious and sorceressy and all, there's a lot of rumors. There's one in particular that a lot of people wonder about. It's sorta private, though...ready?
Gale: That rumor is true- she does have a personal stash of chocolate! Some people see her over in Cinfras buying from the candy shop, and they just can't believe their eyes. I don't know how many emeralds she's dropped on those Cocoa Caps- total chocoholic!

its spirit of gale's dialogue when you invite her to the festival of blizzard

apparently qira also likes cherries but hates blueberries

and also hates bass (like the fish) from the canyon of the lost

also spirit of gale likes "fried dough and powdered sugar"

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle qira is so relatable for liking chocolate lol

[ember coyote]

apparently she has a secret chocolate stash and likes to get her chocolates from a candy store in cinfras

according to gale

[solid fable]

How lovely

Its so cool to see these bosses people usually have a hard time beating be given extra qualities

[ember coyote]

ye lol

it would be kinda cool if there was like an easter egg for qira's chocolate stash

[ember coyote]

all we need now is for greg to like donuts

[warm adder]

gergtg

[warm adder]

what does that even say

[dim plover]

(I want to expand more on Qira’s room but I’m busy)

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oh

[dim plover]

Note to Self:
Get more Choccy
Milk, almost out
of bottles

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oh

[dim plover]

(From this funny thing)

I want to fill this room with as much stuff of similar theme as possible

Also wow that’s an old image

In the current room, the corner behind the two of them has pink wallpaper and filled with Qira, Gale and Ava plushies

Lemme go see if I can find it

(That being said I was planning to make a custom model for an entire bookshelf filled with manga but I then went on to other projects)

[cold cove]

THat is certainley an image I could have opened discord to

[dim plover]

I think the last thing I made was a perfect replica of the giant sword from the Antonymph music video

Hold on I’ll go find all the stuff mentioned

Found another angle of more choccy milk (and also an even older version of the room)

The aforementioned sword (+reference image from the music video)

[ember coyote]

what is this

[dim plover]

Funny

[ember coyote]

no but like where is this from

its not an actual thing in the game right

[cold cove]

no

[dim plover]

Oh thanks for reminding me Past Purple

[digital swan]

For a while I thought qira was drinking away its sorrows

chocolate milk on the other hand

[digital swan]

of who

[dim plover]

Idk

[jagged turret]

is deaths wife the death in tower of ascension?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

That fake death

[dim plover]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/A_Deathly_Warning

[jagged turret]

so then who might be deaths wife?

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know lol

it just something that up to one intereptation

[dim plover]

The game never tells us

(It’s the Fruma Queen trust me)

That’s going to be the big twist in the Fruma Update that the Queen is actually Death’s Wife and she’s out to get us for revenge for breaking one of the windows in their mansion

back in the Beyond the Grave quest

(This is also why the game has a Beyond the Grave requirement to enter the province)

[jagged turret]

wait it does?

[dim plover]

Yeah

Look at the Fruma Introduction Quest in your content book

It says it right there

[charred wharf]

I am so confused. From the beginning, we have this sort of throughline of following Bob's footsteps through Wynn which leads us to eventually fight the Corrupter of Worlds and getting Bobs approval while dealing with the WynnExcavation thing, which leads us into dealing with the Elves and Lari's mistake.. and then what?

I hit lvl 80+ and it feels like the throughline just kinda dies. Its a very loose throughline of course, but it seems to me that the main issues kinda wrap up nicely with the main dangling thread being the fact that Bak'al and Lari are in the Realm of Dern but nothing really popped up after that to follow it.

What am I missing? Is there a specific non-storyline quest that I need to be paying attention to?

[bleak torrent]

No wynncrafts overall narrative is sort of a mess

[charred wharf]

I figured that out for sure. Just making sure I hadn't missed anything major, especially since I kinda skipped over all of the ocean content without even realizing it.

[steel geyser]

There is one quest that bob is involved in, in lategame that kinda slightly tiny-ly ties into his plot

[candid solar]

wynncraft try to build the story upon already existing quests instead of adding 5 funky one-offs challenge

[charred wharf]

That sounds about right from what I have seen. I think the large migration over the years into some sort of cohesive story has definitely hampered progression in making that story tho, as yall have debated endlessly here I believe.

[solar ingot]

nah

quest required for fruma isn't beyond the grave

is qira hive

[eternal helm]

Wait which one? After reincarnation??

[eternal helm]

Idk why but this reminded me- wasn’t Tasim gonna be the 4th in AJB/AJF..? or would he have replaced Lucio as the 3rd..

[eternal helm]

Bring Aledar to the Lazarus Pit or smtn and reanimate his corpse so you don’t have to tell Tasim you killed him

I mean I think that’s just the world event name and annihilation actually comes during the world event- if anything the ‘real annihilation’ would be beyond the portal waiting in the Realm Of War

[vital dagger]

fantastic voyage

[eternal helm]

Oh right lol

[limber swan]

why can't aledar sacrifice himself though?

why does the player have to do it?

like the story could work either way

[chilly tulip]

Do you guys think AJB and AJF are going to be prerequisite quests for Fruma? Or do you think it’s going to be a parallel quest like situation

[eternal helm]

tw: su*cide ig ||bc if anything ig it’s easier to kill someone than kill yourself especially with a sharp blade + Aledar was already weak so idk how much strength he had left in him idk||

[eternal helm]

Maybe? Idk if Tasim is on ur journey to fruma maybe as the quests would probably want to have you tell him about Aledar..

[dim plover]

Oh yeah my bad

https://i.imgur.com/3PkzRCZ.png

[icy estuary]

If Tasim is from fruma. Why the hell that mf so weak? Isnt fruma supposed to be high level and dangerous. Now that mf gonna stroll through there like it aint nothing

[steel geyser]

After reincarnation yes, there is one quest where he is a minor side character and one secret discovery where he is also a side character, but both explain his lore a tiny bit. But bob’s lore is old for anything like bob’s tomb/reincarnation so, there’s that too

[eternal helm]

wait which ones? is it just a fantasic voyage?

and what discovery?

[steel geyser]

Thats one

The beansprout one

[eternal helm]

ohhh right

[steel geyser]

I forgot the name

[eternal helm]

above the clouds or smtn

and the book u can bring back to llevigar

and get lore

bc bob didnt return the book

[steel geyser]

Yeah that one

[steel geyser]

We can now claim that bob is a forgetful old man

That or he’s lazy

[eternal helm]

lol

[cold cove]

You, the player, are from Fruma as well (probably)

[eternal helm]

^

[dry aspen]

the reference in the quest name is peak lol

Looks like emperors new groove

[dim plover]

Me when I vaguelyreference a movie's name without actually knowing anything about the movie

It sounds cool and fits the plot of the quest I wrote so it stays

[dry aspen]

Keep it, it'll be funny

[hybrid gazelle]

He gonna take our place

According to festival

[exotic yew]

More reason to hate Aledar

[lunar jungle]

What is prelude to annihilation in lore anyway
This demon pops it's head out and gets kicked right back in by like 10000 ragni knights

Repeatedly

[onyx smelt]

It comes every few days bc it likes getting spanked

[hybrid gazelle]

Canonically it only appear 2 times

Well imply to be 2 times

But for simplicity we can just say it emerge 2 times

First was around ap 985 where it was defeated by Bob

And some where along the line of post Bob disappearance

It would appear again and take combined effort of different armies to repel it back

All Annie lore rn is all contain by talking to admiral if you want more detailed explanation

As of rn we don’t know if the actual world event is canon or not as nothing in the game acknowledge the event

So annie appear in 1000 A0 is unknown

[turbid surge]

What does AO mean..??

[hybrid gazelle]

Huh

Oh AP

Mistype

It suppose to be AP

[chilly tulip]

Is EO the only canon dungeon? Like it’s the only one required for progression, but are the others canon to the timeline? The crypts, undergrowth ruins, and fallen factory seem like the ones that would cause the most trouble (can’t remember if the mummy and theorick were actively trying to break out of their dungeons or not) so it feels like those are reasonably canon, but the others may be different?

[hybrid gazelle]

No every dungeon is canon

Them being optional is purely gameplay reason

As the quest update work its way up

Some questline likely lead to its dungeon later on similar to arachnid ascend

[chilly tulip]

Is Garoth just minding his own business or is his time magic messing with stuff?

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t know

Timelost quest is not here

So we do not have context

[chilly tulip]

Ah I didn’t know if there was preexisting dialogue or not my bad

I hope he’s affecting things around the sanctum, because if not we’re kinda just breaking into his house and beating him up

[eternal helm]

😭 I can’t believe Aledar would do that to Tasim… I feel less bad abt killing Aledar now

[dense bane]

wait he dies?

[eternal helm]

yes…

[dense bane]

at what lvl

[eternal helm]

don’t come to this channel if u don’t want spoilers lol

[dense bane]

its fine

irdc

[eternal helm]

A Journey Further lvl 101 iirc

[dense bane]

oh wow

[eternal helm]

Spoilers- ||You go with him and some others to explore the Road To Dern and everyone gets killed except Aledar and you, but Aledar is beat up and “on deaths door” so he asks you to sacrifice him to finish the mission||

[dense bane]

can u not kill him?

or do u have to

[eternal helm]

you have to to open the door to the outlook to finish the mission

[dense bane]

oh

[eternal helm]

Also the point of a banger soundtrack.. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F4u7WUVaxaA

[dense bane]

ic

i felt so sad when tasim left from that mission

where u go in the past

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim come way too late but yeah

He would be the 4th member of the expedition team

[eternal helm]

Tbh I wish his character npc actually ran off

Would make you feel worse for him

[dense bane]

lol

why did he run off agian?

[eternal helm]

“Please.. just.. don’t tell Aledar.” holds back tears
runs off

[hybrid gazelle]

He learn that his decision to become “Wynn soldier” is not his own

[dense bane]

oh ye

i told aledar he went somehwere

[eternal helm]

Also the- “Cursed. He called me cursed. What tf does that mean”

[hybrid gazelle]

All fruman recruits are memory wipe and rewire to willingly volunteer to be soldier for Wynn

[dense bane]

he left to troms right

if iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

No

Gavel

[dense bane]

oh

i thinki told aledar he left to troms

idk

[eternal helm]

Tbh this is why I think us the player used to not have dialogue options and why we still don’t really have a dialogue option to say “no.” Bc we were programmed to follow orders

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope the player told Aledar thst he gone to gavel

[dense bane]

ohhhhh

what quest is that

[eternal helm]

Mercenary?

iirc

[dense bane]

ye

[hybrid gazelle]

This imply player have no free will which is funny considering the way wynncraft display its story

[eternal helm]

Wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

Despite the story premise, player by far have more freedom thst they should ever have

Concerningly so

[eternal helm]

I mean fair

But like

Idk

If someone asks you “ur a soldier yes? Come help me”

yes.

[hybrid gazelle]

The definition of soldiers in wynncraft universe sure is bizzard

[solid fable]

tbf u can exit a quest halfway if u don wanna do it anymore lol

[eternal helm]

True but like

Lore wise

Following the story

U follow orders

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh thst more gameplay thing because I pretty sure no one would want to play wynncraft if they chained to a quest lol

[eternal helm]

It’s also mentioned by a npc or two that you are supposed to follow orders

[solid fable]

o i was thinking how in tff ava calls u out on it when you just leave her while shes testing the growth accelerator

she even like tells you to come back soon

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah sometime they have dialogue for that

[hybrid gazelle]

What are these two

[eternal helm]

Idk off the top of my head but I know it’s mentioned

Iirc Ope is one

But he’s kinda just rude

Start of the infested plants he says like “You two are soldiers right? You’re supposed to help! So help!”

[hybrid gazelle]

That not really an order but yeah it more like “that your job right?”

[eternal helm]

Btw trashie tell me some Wynn lore that I probably don’t know :3

xd

I feel like I know it all

But I wanna be surprised if u can think of anything lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk lol

[eternal helm]

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Can’t really tel much because there like

[eternal helm]

The lore also kinda needs a rework,,

[hybrid gazelle]

The niche lore in wynncraft is just so surface level

[eternal helm]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah just nothing on my mind right now

[eternal helm]

fair

Actually

Other than the cow quest

In gavel

Are they ever referred to as aliens

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

Woc are refer as alien

[eternal helm]

where else is it referred to as that tho xd

[hybrid gazelle]

The fact they came from space

[eternal helm]

I mean like.. are there any npcs or discoveries etc outside of that quest that talks abt them as aliens or is it only discussed there

[hybrid gazelle]

Nah none

This is wynncraft

We don’t expand the spieces we have, we make new one

[eternal helm]

lol

I hope we get alien lore in fruma..

I doubt it tho

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think we really need alien lore in fruma consider we got like

2-3 aliens spieces in the game

When there could be focus on

Making the main story actually good

[eternal helm]

Who knows maybe the player was made from aliens or smtn idfk

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t really like making the player character morr concrete so ehhh

[eternal helm]

Or maybe it ties aliens into the cosmic meteors into the memory loss

Idk

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk I thjnk trying to tie these alien thst suppose to be there as a joke to the serious stuff in the lore

It kinda too try hardy to make the lore feel connected

Some stuff can just exist , it fine, even tho the lore is a mess

Just like any writing trying to connect stuff too much can also be bad thing

[eternal helm]

yea fair

Like

Wybels have enough for themselves to exist

But connecting the meteors to the Wocs might be interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk hard to see woc connecting to the meteor

Therr just not many thing to link to each other beyond them came from space

[eternal helm]

Yea ik I just want more lore and plot twists xDD

[hybrid gazelle]

Plot twist is only good when it properly build up and it matter

It also depend on the lore direction but humour definitely not main stage

[eternal helm]

Yea true

I’m happy at least that the whole Wynn story isn’t out

And I can experience it slowly build up real time

But waiting 5-6 years since the last expansion update is kinda cruel

just makes me more excited ig

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma so far seems to be province thst has the more effort put into and actually use its effort well

Compare to gavel

[eternal helm]

True

Tbh I’m going on a second full play through of Wynn (I’ve speed leveled but also have played through the game just not 100% content besides my main) and on my second 100% content play through so far (minus profs, one class is enough) I’ve really noticed the lack of quests kinda.. the leveling is also so fast it’s stupid lmao

I’m like lvl 34 rn still working on nemract content

Like lvl 18 stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

The foundation that wynncraft build on is its major flaw rn

Speaking from perspective of story telling

[eternal helm]

true

[slim belfry]

funny thought imagine if at the end of each quest you can rate how good it was in terms of story and gameplay

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh this is like probably awful idea

[slim belfry]

it's a very very bad idea yeah

[eternal helm]

Too many trolls

[hybrid gazelle]

Player gonna rate it based on their mood that time making the opinion skew

[eternal helm]

RoL 3 would have rating in the negatives

[slim belfry]

true

[eternal helm]

Tbh rol 3 was a good quest

[slim belfry]

it is but better off on its own

it's like an intermission of some sort as of now

[hybrid gazelle]

It really is not

If you make a game which is interaxtive medium

And then force the player to sit through 50+ cutscene trigger

Might as well make visual novel

Consider how rol 3 fuck up rol storyline than it ever did good

The good that rol 3 offer never worth the bad it give

[eternal helm]

Tbh I like lore and cutscenes

If anything I wish it was less hands on and I had to move my camera so I could just advance dialogue and watch

[hybrid gazelle]

While yes ROl 3 give lari backstory and Dullahan as character

The existence of Dullahan barely even matters in the story line

And the backstory thst give Lari just make the player hate her more than they should

Also the result already give to us in rol 2

Making rol 3 utterly useless of a quest

[eternal helm]

I want more dulla..

[slim belfry]

Lari backstory is also usually delegated to other quests and secrets anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

And the only value it could have been scrapped from the game

The only lari backstory thst theh shown are they one that literally not necessery

They waste so much either Lari cameo

When they could just give us context of pacifism more clearly

Which they did not

Despite 500 cameo she has

Lari set up for failure as character because of rol curnch time and the writers inexperience

Despite her conceptually is great and would pave way for wynncraft to be more in depth with its story

[slim belfry]

when I was playing catch up with discoveries the secrets help a bit to build her up but 90% of people wont see them

[hybrid gazelle]

Any attmept to make Dullahan relevant just way too late mow

[eternal helm]

Yk how bakal makes portals and how the parasite can?

one of them broke a portal into the castle room freeing dullahan to work for Dern (is my headcannon bc I don’t want his lore to be over)

[hybrid gazelle]

The storyline he could heavily impact is long finish

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I feel like that very force way to return Dullahan to relevant

[slim belfry]

also it's really something that by the start of SE dullahan is the only unresolved quest issue in gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider this just feel random

Like

Really really random

[eternal helm]

But like

It could make sense imo,,

[hybrid gazelle]

Why would Bak’al want to bring Dullahan? Does he ever know Dullahan existence

Parasite is dead

So we can take him out of equation

Idk like the current information we have

Dullahan at best is a legend or villager and that it

I don’t think Bak’al would care

[eternal helm]

Wait what

[dense bane]

@eternal helm

[eternal helm]

Not until we kill it

[dense bane]

can i join ur guild

[hybrid gazelle]

There literally entire raid

Yeah

[dense bane]

dms

[eternal helm]

It is alive until we kill it tho yea xd

[eternal helm]

Gimme a sec xd

[slim belfry]

raids canonically happen after we finish their related quest, same with dungeons

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah which is like

Post rol

[dense bane]

okay

[hybrid gazelle]

Also why would parasite even care about Dullahan

Idk it just feel very random and force attmept at bringing Dullahan to relevancy which share similar problem which forbidden prison quest

When you could just

Remake rol

Like if you want Dullahan to be more relevance
Just remake rol

His character set up so well to progress Lari character

Befause anything else would just make him another bad guy for player to kill

Lari character desperately need to interact with Dullahan to give her more depth thst the questline in its current version rob her off

[eternal helm]

I mean fair but also.. peons lari when fighting bakal and went to dern could’ve somehow leaked the existence of dullahan while she is trapped or whatever is happening in dern

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I don’t see why lari would leak existence of Dullahan nor Bak’al would care there an elf rotting somewhere in gavel

Consider Dullahan is not eve a secrect

[slim belfry]

yeah pretty sure there are other priorities at hand

[hybrid gazelle]

He literally a local legend

[eternal helm]

ik…

[hybrid gazelle]

Even Lari herself barely ever mention Dullahan

Only did it once in rol questline

And another in memory paranoid which only happen cause someone mention his name

[slim belfry]

gosh yeah

[eternal helm]

Idk there has to be some way he returns right..? :(((

[hybrid gazelle]

Remake ROL

Like

Do that

Dullahan could given more meaningful role if rol get remake

[eternal helm]

ikkkkkk

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari give Dullahan more place to be in narrative than just bad guy player have to kill

Trying to place him in a story where lari already finish her character arc just kinda

Left him out of a lot of stuff beyond just some character interaction

Dullahan is victim of Lari’s method of pacifism

He is manifestation of everything wrong with Lari’s pacifism and her worst mistake

Her pacifism cause him to become decay and experience the worst pain that an elf can have consider his state
Which then lead to his death which funnily enough probably relief him of all the pain
And then Lari bring him back because she could not face with reality thst her mistake cause her to lose her friend
When he come to life, he only seek vengeance to those who wrong him
Lari come to tell him stop and instead of putting him out of misery, she just seal him in the castle for god know how long for him to rot

Confrontation with Lari and Dullahan need to be there when Rol rewrite happen

There a lot of interpretations that one could make from this dynamic alone

Maybe you could have it thst Lari sealing Dullahan is an act of her being so used to immortality that she believe that she will eventually find the cure

Entirely missing the fact that Dullahan is a person who would prefer death than to endure this fate for centuries

Or maybe it just Lari want to keep her pacifism and do not want to stop it now because then everything will be all for nothing and she do not want to acknowledge that

There just a lot of interpretation that can made with that

But yeah in short Dullahan offer more value in rol storyline than he ever could in any story

[nocturne cave]

give dulla a raid like originally intended

i mean the seal cannot be broken yet....

there's something that will be in the dulla castle in the future

other than a snooze fest that is rol3

[slim belfry]

personally think that resolving the dulla issue immediately works better than extending the quest further later

[hybrid gazelle]

I rather not give rol another road and further more giving Dullahan a raid also run into similar problem which attempting to give him relevancy like forbidden prison is

Raid is such gameplay exclusive and so little in narrative

You run into turning Dullahan into another bad guy for player to defeat

[nocturne cave]

"The spell can not be broken, as of now."

from rol3

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

And they scrapped it

That just leftover dialogue

It mean nothing

[nocturne cave]

i don't think so as rol3 was updated 4 years ago, when raids were added.

[hybrid gazelle]

It similar to Tisuan

It jsut some stuff they left over

[nocturne cave]

they haven't explicitly said that dulla riad was cancelled but maybe changed to something else

[slim belfry]

Tisuan 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

But Yeha me yay

As I mention before

[slim belfry]

have never heard of the guy until after doing secrets

[hybrid gazelle]

Dullahan raid will run into similar problem with turning Dullahan into another bad guy for player to defeat

Rather than something Lari dealt with it herself and player could help

[nocturne cave]

maybe have lari also there?

[hybrid gazelle]

Giving Dullahan a raid would entirely rob him out of narrative potential thst he could have

And probably make lari look even worse

[nocturne cave]

like maybe give dulla at least a dungeon to get rid of the forgery

like aledar and tasim help you in infested pit

[hybrid gazelle]

Trust me I prefer it to be a quest so more room for dialogue and closure could be there

Rather than whatever dungeon ending thst we have now

[eternal helm]

dang the dialogue and lore is REALLY outdated isnt it..

the uh boss room also says he is lvl 38 on the button to open the door

hes lvl 35..

[nocturne cave]

i like how the army in uc is just non existent lol

[eternal helm]

it used to be

you used to spawn them in to kill the boss

tbh

i liked it

it was cool

and the corrupted version where you respawn graken too

now its just like all other dungeons

[hybrid gazelle]

That remind me that I have an idea of uc rework

Where you go on to assist the militia in different sector

Where you need to kill gravelords of each sector to get to Charon

[eternal helm]

oo

[hybrid gazelle]

And Therr optional boss called bone hydra

[charred wharf]

I would kill to have a Dulla raid, but have a quest series of you and Lari actively fighting the corruption with the Raid being about finally freeing Dulla and returning him to an active force for good in the games story, thus allowing him to be implemented in the future.

Cause I actually like the character, even with the little we got, and having more of Lari getting the players assistance to deal with the lingering corruption threats around Gavel is never a bad idea (especially if the quests get a good writer on board)

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK I just

I remember in the beginning

I was in the camp of wanting to redeem Dullahan

but as years gone by

it just feel like Dullahan role in the story just better off dying than alive or get redeem

he pretty much lost cause
being lock up for 200 years will fuck someone up

I think trying to redeem him kinda disservice on how much he been through when you could just put him to rest

what he gone through is nothing something that is recoverable

[charred wharf]

You arent wrong, but i really feel like the role Dulla would fill as an actual villain (since currently he is still an active threat to the area of Northern Gavel) is kinda moot unless they do something to actually make him a threat.

[kindred cave]

i think the point of dullahan is that he cannot be fixed

[vestal rivet]

dullah is lari's mistake no?
one that can't be fixed because she could not accept something

[kindred cave]

the spell can't be broken + the damage is too great to undo

he already died to decay

once he got tossed in the lazarus pit he was unfixable

[charred wharf]

He was already heavily in the corruption at that point before he got tossed in, and add to that the entire him being intensely angry at Lari for not committing to do what was needed, he was way too far gone at that point.

[drifting aurora]

the best ending for dullahan is finding a way to help him move on

[charred wharf]

That is what I was gonna get at. Maybe we could save him, not physically, but figure out a way to help him move on properly while removing the corruption.

Then he could return in a "realm of light" sort of way through big O bringing his spirit back or something.

Very Angel vs Devil sort of thing.

[drifting aurora]

not corruption, btw. i know what youre talking about but corruption in game is a very separate thing from the decay

[charred wharf]

Yea, you are right. My brain was associating the two hard after seeing Bak'al in the RoL.

[chilly tulip]

Can the corruption cross the ocean? I haven’t spent enough time in the islands to tell is the corruption is there or not, but would it eventually get to Gavel?

[drifting aurora]

seemingly not

[charred wharf]

I gotta get some clarification on the difference tbh, since I thought both came from Dern.

[chilly tulip]

Corruption is caused by the Realms of Light and Dern clashing, it’s basically just chaos iirc. The Decay is the parasite draining the Orphion and therefore removing the influence of the Realm of Light from Gavel

Although I may be wrong about the Corruption if the Realm of War has changed things, I think it was explained in one of the RoL quests but I don’t remember rn

[charred wharf]

I thought we were in the Realm of War.. or is my TES lore mixing in there?

Wait.. I am even more confused now the more I think about it.

The parasite was sent to the material realm. It then cut off O's access to the realm via its Decay.

[hybrid gazelle]

I still feel like Dullahan as character just too far gone to be redeem because like god 200 years of being lock in there after all those things

[charred wharf]

How the hell did it then get to the Realm of Light???

[hybrid gazelle]

just having him walk out of it just "fine" feel very weird when I look back when my original idea for ROL rework

that why I have Lari killed Dullahan instead of giving them friendly closure

More into the idea of protraying Dullahan as representation of Lari's past and how she need to let it go and contineu with the future rather than dwell on it and try to not to change so the past would still have some meaning and it wont be all for nothing

because the entirely reaosn to Lari keeping DUllahan to living to this day is just by the fact that "she will one day fix it"

which is like

[chilly tulip]

Magic I guess

[hybrid gazelle]

imagine telling someone with deadly disease that you will find a cure someday

and then proceed to freeze them into status where they aware of how much time fly and everything

like no that like

that fucked up no matter how much you will "eventually" find the cure

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean in rol 5?

[charred wharf]

Yea

[hybrid gazelle]

There literally dark force invading it

I could imagine a lot of clashing happening there

Corruption is created by dark and light clash

As you can see in lari and parasite fight

Rol has corruption becausw there is literally invasion gojng on

[charred wharf]

So.. does that mean the RoL and RoD can just directly fight instead of involving us?

I sense a whole lot of "leave us out of it energy" there lol.

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk lmao

[kindred cave]

from what i understand

[hybrid gazelle]

Because like

[kindred cave]

when the Idiot Elves opened the Portals

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite is shown to arrive after portal open

[kindred cave]

RoD and RoL threw one thing each at one another

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay let the guy finish first

[kindred cave]

the parasite got thrown at Gavel, infected the place, somehow parallely existed in RoL and Gavel

or it started in Gavel and went to RoL but its influence was still around?

realm of influence... such nonsense

RoL's attack was the Obelisk in the SE

but that doesn't seem to have been very effectual

Lutho's citizens aren't really corrupting the environment with Light or draining Darkness

it seems like the Obelisk was just a kindness to them and did nothing else

but the SE is also conspicuously small...

what's going on here... (insufficient writing)

[hybrid gazelle]

You literally just spoil se to the guy

And it even not necessery

[eternal helm]

just had a new idea.. :3

dullahan was poweful, so adding him to the peons of Dern along with Bak’al and TNA would be beneficial, granted they wouldn’t fully know who dullahan is, BUT the Eye was still alive until late 1000 AP when the player defeats it- the eye watches all, although it is said it is the Overseer of Wynn, I’m pretty sure it’s implied/mentioned that it watches the world- the eye watched as dullahan was revived, and became corrupted, then he was aided in an escape to become a peon :3

trust

[slim belfry]

forces of darkness is the other half of what caused his condition in the first place I doubt he'd align himself with them

[exotic yew]

They are already at wars long before their influence seep into our world

So

Blame the elves I guess LOL

[exotic yew]

But aren't realm of war already has been a thing before the portal?

[eternal helm]

why tf do we kill this guy again... it seems like destroying the sanctum isnt helping anything lmao

[cold cove]

I think we kill him to satisfy our (the player's) seemingly endless thirst for blood

[ember coyote]

I thought the time lost sanctum was like causing weird time events in the area

And like that's kinda bad so we gotta destroy the sanctun

[limber swan]

we'll find out when the quest comes out

if it comes out

they are taking awhile to release it

at this point i wouldn't be surprised if it was released post fruma

[nimble trench]

first

[warm flicker]

happy new years, heres to a great 1001 AP!

oh wait its still 1000 AP

[eternal helm]

lol

Btw @warm flicker I noticed- you mentioned purple changing the position in space, (and blue changing time like the rocks in the crater at time valley where the bridge is built) I did notice that Wynncraft does opt to use purple particles when the player or certain mobs teleport, including mobs in the time valley which is interesting and helps reinforce your theory

[molten escarp]

regular mage uses blue for teleporting
dark mage uses purple

wait. or is it dark wizard. I forgot.

[eternal helm]

I thought normal mage had purple too

[exotic bough]

happy public domain day

[digital swan]

we don't like him

also, he has money

if he's dead that's Our money

[eternal helm]

why tf do we not like him,,

[digital swan]

focus on the money part

[eternal helm]

He’s a still living olm.. I love the guy I wanna chat about lore and history

[molten escarp]

I couldn't get great images but

[eternal helm]

Hm interesting

[eternal helm]

wait i love this npc

ive never seen her before tf 😭

[warm adder]

spawn

[eternal helm]

NOW I FEEL BAD 😭

i had to choose the purple dialogue bc lore.. but now i feel like this is gonna hurt me later or smtn 😭

why cant i give it back smh

[mossy badge]

Blud doesn't know about the egg mystery 🙏

[digital swan]

I mean what were you thinking doing Royal Trials when you didn't know about Elie

Like surely

the entire chain all culminates with this

You killed the Skyraider Queen so you could become the Skyraider Queen so you could rob a child of some XP

only joking but uh

if you talk to her again it's the exact same dialogue

so maybe she has duplicates and just doesn't hand the rest over

[shut hornet]

there are 4 npcs like this that you can talk to after royal trials

the rest are all in the same area

[digital swan]

they probably already know those they're pretty quick to find
but you don't rob the rest

you just get gifts for checking up on them or whatever

[eternal helm]

I already have the parrot

[eternal helm]

How did I not know of these..

[shut hornet]

by the same area btw i dont mean the letvus airbase, theyre all at the skyraiders base

[warm adder]

how is elkurn not like dead roots of corruption is so ccllose

same with detlas (kinda)

[vestal rivet]

Detlas has a bunch of broken OP fighters in its army canonically
like it's army beat up Annihilation a decade before the server takes place, as per some dialogue from Afelis when they're in Detlas
Elkurn I think manages to stay safe by being where the influences of Corruption and Time Valley shenanigans meet, and as a result it kinda doesn't get screwed over by either one

[dim plover]

Does it?

I feel like Detlas barely won because of numbers and large artillery or whatever the General guy said when he was talking about Annie

[vestal rivet]

it has enough firepower to beat up anni with it's military, at least it did 10 years ago

[dim plover]

Didn’t it take like an entire army to fight Annie

(That and a massive portion of them died from New Sun which means they failed the dps check)

[vestal rivet]

and we know that all kinds of high level adventurers also pass through Detlas a lot, at least based on AJB

[digital swan]

it's like Warsaw in 1933

they're cooked they just don't know it yet

[warm adder]

lol

but what baout elkurn

[digital swan]

that would be Liege but without the ring fortresses

[warm adder]

what

[digital swan]

before the First World War, the Belgians constructed a ring of fortresses around the city of Liege

[warm adder]

\oh

[digital swan]

The fortresses were pretty advanced for their time

Liege fell in about a week

[hybrid gazelle]

According to the ct, it because of the river

[warm adder]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

It likely that Ekurn was build around 900 AP consider that is most perfect time due to Wynn recovery and corruption not being thst much of a threat like it used to be

Actually no I keep forget about the graveyard

But Yeha ekurn probably rebuild at 900 AP

[warm adder]

ic

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah it seems like water as a whole is deterrent for corruption

[warm adder]

Just throw water into corruption portal

or like

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably not enough lol

That probably piss it off even more

[vestal rivet]

get the mages on mage island to dump half of ocean into the portal...!

[warm adder]

yeah!!!

[vestal rivet]

find a create water spell and use corkian somethings to make it mass produced

[hybrid gazelle]

I still really want to know like

Are mage island like there before ocean was calm like

[vestal rivet]

assault the realm of war with a legion of fire trucks and install fire hydrants everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

Srly what the purpose of mage island

[warm adder]

send 100 idol palamonk player into corruption portal

[vestal rivet]

what even is idol in lore anyways

[warm adder]

uhh

Intricate carvings and images, almost like that of a totem pole, cover the shaft of this marvelous trident, dredged up from the Seavale Reef. Foreign magics heighten the senses of its user in battle, but also instills a longing for the ocean. Many have succumbed to this urge and drowned themselves.

hmm maybe send def spring users instead

Arrows fired by this bow are pure ice, but when they hit the enemy, burst into magical water, flash-freezing all that it touches. The frost burns will never heal.

[hybrid gazelle]

Suicide stick

[warm adder]

yeah

sending def spring/crabs spring users is probably the best way to go about

corruption portal

lore wise

also ele def

[slim belfry]

I'd assume the islands were uninhabited before calm ocean

after mage island was established the tunnel system was probably made then

[digital swan]

xkcd my favorite

[digital swan]

elkurn would be cool as a fortified town

like

do you know the town of Velikiye Luki

[misty folio]

what is fruma lore and when r we gettin it

[hybrid gazelle]

early this year

and Fruma is basically an empire where humans all originate from

so far what we know that only the royalty have the right to use magic

any lesser class having magic would render them as criminal

and they memory wipe their criminals and send them as recruit to join the war in Wynn province

[misty folio]

but in wynn they r anyways using magic lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause Wynn is not fruma?

Sending out criminal to Wynn is not about stop them from using magic

It likely just giving Wynn more fodder to continue their stand against corruption

[misty folio]

so does the corruption ever come to an end?

and also what is our backstory from fruma?

why were we sent to wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

As for now idk lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Currently unknown but most likely thst the player themselves can simply be blank slate for the player themselves to self insert to

But then again don’t take my word, fruma can change that

But for the sake of everything, I sure hope the player character is just blank slate

[misty folio]

hmm

fruma province will be a lvl 100+ ?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[misty folio]

aw man

thats gon take lotta time im barely 45

but when u do the quest of recovering memory for ability shards u get sent back like the glitch

and there I culd kill the guards in 2 shot at lvl 37

if it were to be lvl 100+

then i wuldnt even be able to touch those guards

[hybrid gazelle]

It

that for gameplay purpose

they aint gonna throw lvl 100+ enemies at you in lvl 37

that not how it work

levels are for gameplay purpose thing and not something to consider in universe

[misty folio]

okie

[hybrid gazelle]

level cap will get extend when Fruma release

so fruma is lvl 105+

[vital dagger]

you dont wanna be stuck at lategame take ur time

[modern stump]

is anyone familiar with this cave ?

[vital dagger]

is there anything in it

[modern stump]

there is a hopper at the end, nothing else sticking out tbh

[quartz mist]

Small bit of unimportant but broken content. Nothin special

[vestal rivet]

I see zweihander
I have opened every free blizzard crate I have and still now zwei for me

[modern stump]

I also got the tumble snowball from free crates from shop 😄

[modern stump]

https://tenor.com/view/triste-traite-com-o-tenor-gif-4097861670641706023

[quartz mist]

I think there were like. unsanctioned orcs or something behind there even though orcs are supposed to be only in gavel

[vital dagger]

i think u used to be able to drop a tnt found nearby to lead to a small orc village and a tier 2 chest? its been years tho

that could also be a diff ocean cave

[potent wharf]

Wait there's a mini map?

[quartz mist]

Probably Wynntils.

[hybrid gazelle]

I realize that if you were to interpret Ragni as once part of fruma expansion brfore it got cut off during corruption war

You can recontextualizw the prison in the sewer as big prison for Ragni to capture all runaway migrate group

[warm adder]

why does divzer have -73 def and -550 agi? the numbers feel so random

[hybrid gazelle]

Item balance lore

[digital swan]

I got 15 yeti wybels and 10 grumpy wybels can we please swap luck

[hybrid gazelle]

Planning to add lore to detail how bad the corruption war was with rework decript sewer

Since in this rework, dungeons is more explorable place now I can add some torn up note as side lore

Would be nice to have refernece to bob’d mom but thst will be figure out later

[primal mauve]

in the olden days stat potions were much better

so divzer was given those downsidesto enforce etw

[candid kayak]

cause +37 dex so its opposite trust

[viral locust]

Bad game design is canon btw
According to wiki.gg

[mossy badge]

🤯

[viral locust]

Why would they put runaways in a region even farther from fruma than ragni

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

what

if you talking about prison near ternaves, I did not mean that

[viral locust]

Prison outside of ragni

Sewer

[hybrid gazelle]

I was talking about the prison in the sewer

yeah it not that far from Ragni what LOL

[viral locust]

It isn't, but it is farther from fruma. It's on the very outskirts of what would be considered fruma if ragni was part of it.

[hybrid gazelle]

I just think it just nice way to recontextualize the prison and it make Ragni palcement make some sense instead of believing them to be migrate group escaping from Fruma

because their placement literally has no attempt of hiding from Fruma is they were indeed to be part of fleeing migrate

so I interprept them as being part of Fruma attempt to expanding further into Wynn

and while at that, just have prison to capture immigrate that run away from the kingdom instead of transporting them all the way to Fruma

[zenith vigil]

it represents the 550 years and 73 days lari spent doing nothing about the parasite

wynncraft lore is super deep actually

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5mymyxWYAEN4n-.gif

[rustic nexus]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1125094030951333948/1457047449955995811/poke.gif

[zenith vigil]

https://tenor.com/view/chuu-green-apple-emoji-chuu-green-apple-apple-emoji-chuu-emoji-chuu-gif-5134865579284218584

[rustic nexus]

go back and read quests and secret discoveries please

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G9oljRCWYAAfcfk.gif

[rustic nexus]

inattentive mfs when they see a timeline where lari didn't exist (gavel is fucking dead)

[hybrid gazelle]

Timeline where Orphion did not exist, gavel survive

[zenith vigil]

gavel survives because orphion chooses dulla instead

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I would not say that but at the same time Orphion will somehow self sabotage himself if he we’re to pick another chosen one

[zenith vigil]

[hybrid gazelle]

This imply Orphion capable of choosing someone that is not gojng to self sabotage later

[rustic nexus]

did bro do anything about the cutting of the guardian? fuck no

[zenith vigil]

the what

[rustic nexus]

😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay Dullahan would not survive cause Orphion would ghost tbe shit out of him

[zenith vigil]

this ties into the alcohol addiction arc of dullahans character

[hybrid gazelle]

Being Orphion chosen one is not about if you have same moral as him but it about if you handle his self sabotage

[hybrid gazelle]

Also Lari still trying to do everything in her power despite being ghosted by Orphion for emthe entire centuries

Set up barrier and the locals seem to know her

Imply that she been help out the local

As shit as rol is and how much it fuck over lari as charaxter

Even in the fucked up stage that she is in

Most of her fault literally can be trace all way back to Orphion

Like the only thing that she take 100% fault in is reviving Dullahan

And everything afterward

Which could avoid if certain someone just did not ghost her

[rustic nexus]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/G5UvcUPWgAAZ86I.gif

Orphion slander everyday

[rustic nexus]

also not to mention in gavel quests outside of RoL, she is helpful

[hybrid gazelle]

Helpful as wynncraft npc can be but yeah

[rustic nexus]

also bro please play the game fully 😭

wynncraft players try to play the game challenge (impossible)

all they care is lootrun, raid, earth thunder slop, be proffa and tm

[hybrid gazelle]

Don’t forget frumaning….

But we all frumaning

[rustic nexus]

yeah

we're all on the fruma hope addiction

[heady oyster]

guys new leak fruma march 5th

[rustic nexus]

FRUMAN. FEBRUARY.

I WILL NOT TAKE THIS SLANDER

[graceful fox]

LOL

[dusk sleet]

who leaked this

[hybrid gazelle]

Frumarury

[heady oyster]

@graceful fox

[graceful fox]

wtf

[rustic nexus]

framed...

[hybrid gazelle]

I also got leak that

For the year of the horse

Next update after fruma is horse update

And it collab with Umamusume

[rustic nexus]

bucie gets transformed into a horse betting town

[hybrid gazelle]

I can’t believe they adding new spieces names the Uma

To replace skyraider

[regal spire]

Fruma is to release February 2nd

That, or the beta releases then

They’ve done this with 1.18, and 1.20, so surely it’s time in the pattern to comply

[chilly tulip]

Do we think that when Dern content eventually is released we’ll get to meet and team up with Bob? He disappeared after Gateway Island, so he could still be fighting the Dern Beast right?

[dim plover]

If he’s even alive, probs

[warm adder]

could bob be alive

he has

tomb

[dim plover]

(We will fight a stronger version of Bob’s Reincarnation in Dern called Bob’s Dernification)

I mean, have we seen the real Bob at all

[chilly tulip]

I mean yeah he’s probably dead but who knows

[dim plover]

How do we know the replica that Nilrem planted in the tomb is how he actually looked like

[chilly tulip]

Does it use the same model as the flashbacks from secret discoveries

[warm adder]

the real question is

[dim plover]

No

[warm adder]

will dern ever be released

[chilly tulip]

Eh, 3025 at the earliest

[dim plover]

Yeah it will, trust

[chilly tulip]

Imagine a questline with Bob, Lari and the Player duking it out with Ba’kal and the Dern Beast

That’d be fun

[warm adder]

can we kill lari

please

[chilly tulip]

Throw in the sailor from Fantastic Voyage and you can have 4 members of a group again

[dim plover]

I’m from the future in the year 2035 and I can personally confirm that Dern Realm will have one hundred quests

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/262010576295821312/1378956841802928199/derncutscene.gif?ex=6906e122&is=69058fa2&hm=db6be123f78fbfbd806ba1d278bcb3388eb9b586427c89c7429f7a8acaf84073

Stuff gets real crazy man

[warm adder]

how long does it take for you to make these

why are you not on ct atp

[chilly tulip]

Yo is there a post cataloging these?

[dim plover]

What’s atp

[chilly tulip]

I’ve seen them sporadically and I’d love to see all of them

[dim plover]

This is the only Dern one I’ve made

[warm adder]

at this point

[warm adder]

oh

i mean

everything is made reall well tho

[chilly tulip]

Seriously though do you have these all saved somewhere people can view them they’re awesome

[dim plover]

This is literally the only Dern one I don’t have any more

The only ones I’ve made that are of this quality are the Fruma ones

[chilly tulip]

Oh I meant all the ones in general

The ones I’ve seen posted around here are amazing

[dim plover]

There is no general

Wait describe some you’ve seen

[chilly tulip]

I remember some of the Fruma ones

I could’ve sworn there was one that was like an infiltration one with Tasim?

Or that was us and Tasim basically fighting the gate guard to get into Fruma?

It was months ago i don’t remember it too clearly but they looked awesome

[dim plover]

Oh

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/masked-memories-hero-beta-update-2-2-first-look-and-review.321123/

[chilly tulip]

Yay thank you

[chilly tulip]

Please tell me you’re actually on the CT, these are amazing quality

[dim plover]

no

[chilly tulip]

Aw

Still though great stuff there

On the topic of lore, why do we think Bak’al didn’t come back to attack Wynn again after Bob disappeared?

[serene gate]

Im blind and missed the point these werent real and was like "Holy- how have I never heard people talking about this its been over half the year."

[hybrid gazelle]

No fucking idea lmao

[rotund sphinx]

Too busy ragebaiting Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure they are asking before the event of the game

Since Bob been missing quite sometime to the point Annie appear for second timr

[rotund sphinx]

A serious answer would be he was seriously wounded and needed time to recover

That or he was chilling in the Light Realm helping the parasite for some reason

[hybrid gazelle]

Needing to recover for 10+ years is crazy but sure since this guy take 200+ years to overrun Wynn province

I am sure being wynncraft villain is tough since you have to fight fraud allegation 24/7

[bleak torrent]

idk maybe he was making his way through dern to get to his dern beast minion interview and got lost on the way back

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak’al when it come to do actually doing anything challenge

[opaque remnant]

He was for sure just waiting in the Realm of Light the entire time

Just waiting

[rotund sphinx]

Aura farming like Piccolo prolly

[opaque remnant]

fr

[rotund sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-dragon-ball-piccolo-standing-on-tower-tower-gif-13558229454457057953

This but Bakal

[hybrid gazelle]

He gotta aura farm befause the writers won’t let him do anything else

[cyan sapphire]

With all the refineries and proffing cave and labelled crafting stations and black market, I'd like to propose Maex has a proffing culture within the dwarven community

Rodo shows off dwarven power, while Maex shows off dwarven industrialism

they're like the new york of dwarves

esp with the coalition being based out there pushing for rights of minorities

[grizzled frost]

his ramblings may be even more interesting than the actual wynn lore, but the game doesnt allow me to listen to him

[dusk sleet]

These are not new but just wanted to say I've updated the text in Herb Cave to be black text so its actually readable
This is not new lore, just made it readable

[raven bronze]

Cause he’s a fraud

We need a fraud watch put out on this guy asap

[dim plover]

Wait what did they look like before

[dusk sleet]

light grey text

[dim plover]

Ah

Wow you're right I can't read a thing lol

[chilly tulip]

I think that this must have been brought up at some point but what is Baosnazs?

I saw that sign once and was really confused

[hybrid gazelle]

probably some civilization or one off spieces

IDK lmao

[chilly tulip]

Like was it just something old that was removed?

[hybrid gazelle]

nah probably exist somewhere in the ocean

[violet vector]

Guys here's a little known fact

There's a housing balloon

In the void

But the real question is..... why?

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay

[digital swan]

why one in the void and not one in Aldorei

[violet vector]

Ya i use it all the time, just like the blacksmith and the teleporter in void, are just reminders that there are serious proffers in CT

But they better make it universal or something

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by universal

[violet vector]

Like in a lot of towns where it would make sense

Like aldorei town mentioned above

[hybrid gazelle]

they probably cant figure out what to do for ALdorei for background

and Aldorei is not used as much as other city so they probably just neglect it

[violet vector]

Fair enough

[digital swan]

Aldorei is super neglected it deserves a balloon to make it more useful as a southcentral gavel hub

just uh put it near the entrance from canyon tho

[hybrid gazelle]

it near cinfras so

I dont really see

why one would use Alodrei

[digital swan]

no inferior motive there the area is just lacking in stuff it's really open minus the scroll merchant yknow

[bleak torrent]

Wait is thesead still lacking a balloon

[digital swan]

it has one

[sacred spindle]

Just did Realm of light IV, is it too early to hate Lari?

[vestal rivet]

no

[sacred spindle]

Great, cus she pmo

[hybrid gazelle]

I menay eah sure

that is like general opinion for her character

[candid cliff]

Do you think all twains together could've defeated Bak'al

[regal spire]

Definitely, Ba’kal sucks

He has to section off those who are capable to handle them. It’s why Bob fucked him so bad, because he assumed that no single person could handle what he usually throws at them

Then, Bob managed to get the rest of the province rallied and strong enough to aid them in consistently fending whatever he came up with, armies and all

Until Ba’kal couldn’t even stand up against the general line of men

Which is likely why he doesn’t show his face anymore. Too many established and capable generals (villagers and humans alike)

[candid cliff]

Interesting point

He was also about to get beaten by Lari

[regal spire]

Anyone ever wonder why there are sunflowers growing in the sewers of Ragni

[digital swan]

whar where

[regal spire]

The quest area, right before the flood section

There’s sunflowers all over that part of the sewer, which is a really strange choice, if it’s just for general aesthetics

But, if not, then it poses the question of what was there before, or how they’re even able to survive

[eternal helm]

Fruma lore… the resources of espren are leaking out of the ragni sewers fr

[digital swan]

are flowers zombifiable

[valid valve]

I mean there's actual flowers attacking you in the light forest, nothing says the corruption can't do the same

I just remembered corrupted apples exist

so yea flowers are technically zombiefiable

[hybrid gazelle]

but

there is no corruption in Light Forest

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably just other block they use

that not meant to convey literal sun flower

but probably ismilar plant or some kind

Though I still

dont see this flower you talking about

ah I see it now

yeah probably just some vegetation they put there

by the way yeah we did know corruption capable of reanimating a lot of thing

[serene drum]

Is the sunflower in old or new DS builds?

Cause we also use it for vines

[nocturne cave]

there is no war in the Fruman walls

[hybrid gazelle]

I think??? Idk if there any update for ds quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Awesome now thst one quote become fruma entire identity for general community despite it no longer hold any value

[nocturne cave]

ikr

it would be cool to get a province with an actual civil war going on inside

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider there rebel existing in fruma

There probably is

But it not going to be like avatar refernece kind of thing

[nocturne cave]

Yh ofc not

[regal spire]

As far as I’ve seen, none of the “Sewers of Ragni” have been updated, build wise

So those sunflowers must have been there since the quests implementation

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah don’t thjnk things suppose to be taken literal cause for example leaves growing in Nemract houses are not literal leaves but more of moss

[regal spire]

I figured that, but it’s still kinda a strange choice. Sunflowers don’t really fit the aesthetic of what’s there, right now, and they already have stuff like cattails and ferns to use

[hybrid gazelle]

Giving the idea of the town being hn maintain

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably just using it for vine as the ct mention

[regal spire]

I’ll hope there’s a more exciting reason behind it

I’m so fruma starved I be theorizing on the flowers in the sewers

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

There merit of looking deep into stuff but ofc there is moderation

As long you are not disappointed in the end, it’s okay I guess

[serene drum]

Yeah they are all still ancient, I was thinking maybe in the boss arena cause I remade it for 2.1 but I think you mean these?

I also seem to have terrible memory cause the boss arena doesnt use any

[candid cliff]

is there even any dungeon that had it's build updated more recently

I think it was just bosses for rekindled

[serene drum]

Yeah for 2.1 some boss arenas and the DS entrance were updated

2.0 had the IB entrance

[candid cliff]

I see

oh yeah

IB used to look pretty boring

[serene drum]

mhm

[candid cliff]

wrap it up

[serene drum]

Cant wait to update the dungeon itself tho

[candid cliff]

to be fair to this design though it fits the cryostasis theme of theorick more

[serene drum]

I love that like half the old dungeons had that face at the top

[candid cliff]

Curious, what did you build in the server?

Or is that taboo information

[serene drum]

A ton of it is in Fruma but notable builds are Silverbull HQ and I was 1 out of 3 people that did the Nemract cathedral redo

Bunch of smaller stuff but Ive done a lot so its hard to remember it all

[candid cliff]

oh I love the cathedral

[serene drum]

ty!

I hope Ill get the green light for a SBHQ redo someday

[candid cliff]

I'd love to see an updated Jungle, lots of potential here

[serene drum]

yeah for sure, the whole mid game is pretty rusty, tho stuff like that requires the whole team to work on it

[candid cliff]

Makes sense, it's pretty big

I think Troms is the 3rd biggest city?