📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

so as Haros after their intital apperance

it likely just wynncraft being wynncraft at that time and just forgot about these characters

[digital swan]

makes a killing off of it too

[hybrid gazelle]

so if Charon loer evern get updated

we might able to see Charon making more apperance in the timeline

rather than just

existing somewhere

[slim belfry]

true

[dim plover]

Wish he actually sailed on a boat

[hybrid gazelle]

There probably some way to add more referelcne from Charon of greek mytho into Charon in Wynncraft

but it kinda hard to imagine due to how little these 2 could overlap

it even funnier when other character that pull inspiration from Charon of Greek mytho probably play much better homage than Wynncraft Charon

[digital swan]

no you see the Greek Charon is an embellished version of Wynncraft Charon. this is why he seems so good it's an embellishme

[slim belfry]

take notes calamity mod this is how good references in lore work

(this is a joke)

[hybrid gazelle]

very hard to wrap around how to adjust level range in these quests

[hybrid gazelle]

In rough state rn

the idea is that extending mesa a bit cause they do desperately need new quests to justify the elevator unlock

I move introduction to Nesaak earlier while stay Ice nation at it is because i feel like it could be cool side ocean quest thing

Nesaak quest range are bit sprase but that more forgivable due to the dungeon will help player leveling up

The reason I move Clearing the camp wayyy back to is to allow Gavel to be the main focus

Because introducing entire ass province is a big deal

ah fuck wait I miss up a bit

[hushed obsidian]

you certainly won't be laughed at, at least not by the content team. As for my opinion, like I said opinions can vary so much that I would rather not give mine which would affect our actions even though it is so irrelevant for the outcome.

[hybrid gazelle]

okay at Troms nad I sintantly give up at the project

there just a lot of things trhat make mid game messy

not even for story purpose but for gameplay wise as well

you go back and forth from Troms and Gavel

like

fucking from Olux to Kander Forest

that like how often it is that you would go Gavel quest that is range from Olux to Kander

and in between those quest you have to teleprot or go all the way back to Troms

[digital swan]

ahem. fund my project for a airship line from troms to llevigar

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[digital swan]

don't walk to troms, or scroll to troms, just walk to llevigar and take an airship

[hybrid gazelle]

?

[digital swan]

for supposedly the richest city in gavel, they can afford an airship terminal

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean that odd solution and even then it not much different from scroll

[digital swan]

doesn't use scroll charges

[hybrid gazelle]

the down side of scroll would apperant when you somehow take less than 10 mins of each quest

yes but realistically you would not drain all the chrage while doing these quests LOL

[digital swan]

pretty sure that level range has some balls short quests

[hybrid gazelle]

it's only become issue IF player somehow spend all day playing these quests non stop

speedrun them

[digital swan]

you realize this makes the problem worse

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally said IF

the scroll only become issue if the player playing the game non stop and speedrun each quest

[digital swan]

oh I thought you meant speedrun them as a separate message

[hybrid gazelle]

which is very rare

For example questl ike Jungle Fever is a long quest

that likely take around 10 mins or more to complete

so as corrupted betrayal

[digital swan]

in any case after level 60 or whenever when will you need a troms scroll and a olux or gelibord scroll

[hybrid gazelle]

most of the quest around mid game range from medium or long

[digital swan]

if there's a fast travel you save yourself however many le on something you won't need after a while

[hybrid gazelle]

dude levl 60 are all long quest

by the time you finish one, one of your teleport charge is finish

the problem is not the fast travel part is just the pacing of the quest is just annoiyng

no maount of fast travel will fix the issue

because again teleport scroll already fix that aspect

the issue I am tackling here is the fact that player swap these location so much and often that it very hard to make story out of and also to play these quests as player find it difficult to attacth them to the location

due to how frequent it is they have to leave and return

you looking into different issue than mine

your solution only fix the fast traveling between these 2 area while I am more into the quest pacing

similar problem but require different solution

even if your solution get into the game, it did not really solve problem I aimming to fix which is to rearrange the quest level in order to make the game pacing feel less all over the place

because even if it's get into the game, the player STILL going all over the place

[digital swan]

but it's quick enough to go around without having to buy stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

again I todl you

[digital swan]

the player hardly needs worry

[hybrid gazelle]

I aim to fix different problem

therefore your solution do not apply

it might bandage it

but it still not a solution I would prefer

even then the teleport scroll is like one time purchase that player can use it all the time as long as they have the charge

and player should have enough budget to get teleport scroll by doing quests or caves

also this solution does not really help with the narrative issue that is my main focus

[charred wharf]

I see my question Is being somewhat answered here.. but what the hell is going on between lvl 45 and 70ish? I finished Nesaak and then I am kinda being ping ponged all over the place with no real throughline for a story.

[hybrid gazelle]

just old wynncraft

back then story was not in much consideration and there issue of there multiple place with similar level range

Llevigar and Nesaak share similar level range

wwhich is level 40

while Troms is around lvl 50-55 which share wtih Olux

Dernel Jungle is lvl 60-70 which share with Dark Forest and Kander Forest

so the quest being all over the palce is the CT attempting to give content to each region

but it kinda backfire since these regions are on the opposite end of each other

[digital swan]

ye but is it more likely that ct will change the levels and story of the dozens of quests between levels 39 and 73 or just add a bandaid fast travel or two

[hybrid gazelle]

Oka ybut I do not really care what CT will change

I just offer solution that I enjoy making as if they are puzzle

CT can do whatever they want

I sometime work with limitation that CT would have as added challenge

As double sword it is, CT tendency to be ambitious will likely not have them doing bandaid fix anyway

CT will come up with their own solution that can be entirely different from either of us

[spring kernel]

Midgame is currently wynns biggest meh area when it comes to progression because of how much you bounce around

Side effect of those different bits being added at different times

[eternal helm]

Btw is it ever discussed how bobs birth mother came to the ragni sewers? She was olmic and based on how Robert (Bob) was treated being half olm it’s a lil surprising they let her into the sewers and tried to save her life during the birth. But other than that, was she just an olm that was wandering time valley or something and went to ragni? Or idk.. how did a random olm find their way to ragni to have a child… (also bobs mentors seem like so magical that they’re kinda a facade- was bobs mom also just like fake or smtn.. idk the story is weird and I’d love if someone could explain it better if anyone knows about it/if it was actually ever explained more in depth)

[chilly tulip]

Bob's mom is barely mentioned honestly, so I guess its jsut something we'll never know

[dim plover]

The real question is why she spews so much purple slime in her boss fight

[chilly tulip]

Was the last time the dungeon bosses were updated 2.1? I had to run a dungeon for a daily and I could’ve sworn the boss was different from the one I remember when Rekindled launched

[hybrid gazelle]

she literalyl a skeleton rotting in sewer for centuries

all the gunk and shit probably grow on her

[vital dagger]

this works with the lore of being a soldier for hire

[hybrid gazelle]

it really not

soldier for hire imply they are mercenary which player is not because they are assign to an army in Wynn province because they are send to Wynn for that EXTACT purpose

by all mean player character should be restrict by the admiral of the army placed in back in Wynn

and bouncing around all over the place is the unlikely things they could do

because that essentially mean going AWOL which have consequence

player is fruman recruits that been send to Wynn in order to replenish the numbers that Wynn lost throughout 1000 years long war that still ongoing

and consider the game take place less than a year
the player character is FAR from having their service end

[digital swan]

makes sense after all olm covered at least the western half of wynn

and they seem to have blended in with the humans

since nobody suspects the olmic mysterious merchant

plus she might have been accepted into whatever human community used those sewers by virtue of bob's (human) father

[eternal helm]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure this is just the circumstance

People tend to be less about detail when there undead killing everyone outside

So rather than making fuss inside their only shelter they rather just let anyone in without any trouble

So that likely how Bob mom manage to sneak in without create much commotion

And the sewer likely dark enough that her inhuman skin color appear unnoticae

Also as for her being in Ragni

Honeslty I don’t know

There are not much information could be make into a theory

But consider Garoth still in time valley despite whatever happen there

It could be thst bob’s mom could share similar circumstance but choose to leave time valley

And this is from my guess likely did not become part of group thst gone into SE and taken by Dern

Cause if thst the case they would mention she acting insane or at least paranoid

[digital swan]

even if not in the raid where bob was born

probably in previous raids

if bob's father was popular enough, nobody would have cared that bob's mother didn't look perfectly human

Even if not
after all Bob's father didn't seem to care in any case

so maybe the other humans let her in either way

[hybrid gazelle]

What the fuck are you even talking about

[digital swan]

Bob's mother probably didn't sneak in, she probably entered whatever human community hid in those sewers every raid through her relationship with bob's father

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude

Okay whatever man

Sure

[woeful abyss]

hes a known troll dw

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah can already guess

[warm flicker]

my personal headcanon is that discrimination works a bit differently in Wynn than in a place like Gavel. For one, humans are the dominant sentient species in Wynn, and second, for the past thousand years the primary cause of danger for them was corruption (via the rising dead and corrupted entities). I'd imagine, just due to a lack of past discrimination and the fact that the Olm are not corrupted, human society would be relatively open to any Olm who find their way there. Sure, Bob's mother would be out of place due to her skin color, but so long as she wasnt a zombie or a corrupted demon, people probably wouldnt mind

hell, the ordinary person probably thinks an Olm is just a human with a weird skin condition

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly I can see your point

but like

this could literally be that the idea of other spieces other than human is so far out there for human in Wynn

like not to discredit your theory ofc but I feel like there certain point where I feel it too convulted

[eternal helm]

Omg.. I never once saw that guy as an olm.. why tf did he stay behind..

[chilly tulip]

Do you think there’s a lore reason why Bob never learned Shamanism (or whatever we’re calling it)?

Like I know that it’s just because Shaman didn’t exist yet when the quests and lore were created, but why do you think in universe he never learned about it

[tacit pond]

Who is a canonical Shaman in lore?

I don't mean like by namesake, I mean using shaman abilities when they fight

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay ablities does not really exist in the lore

[hybrid gazelle]

mostly because there literally no need to

shamanism is literally just outsourcing your magic

which is not a problem when you are an half olm, a highly magical spieces

he can already cast the magic tranditional way

Bob learning shamanism can be just redudant

and probably Slykaar existence just make it bit taboo-ey

[tacit pond]

I was thinking about how for example bosses like Qira has recognizable player spells (charge, etc..) but in retrospect yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

well I mean

charge is already general name

and even these these spells exist for gameplay

like the act of charging and tackling you is not really a spell

it like calling a punch a spell

they were called spell purely for gameplay reason

[tacit pond]

No this is just besides the point

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah if to be extact, there is not many character out there that display similar ablity closet to shaman the class

[tacit pond]

You're right on that lore wise gameplay mechanics aren't involved too much

[hybrid gazelle]

even the character that mention to be a shaman

like Slykaar or that one avo NPC

I think

[tacit pond]

yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Most likely becuase shamanism just purely explore in the lore that they only appear as traditional shaman in the lore

because by definiton

Shamanism can appear anywhere

consider it's the act of outsourcing the source

if CT manage ot written the lore to be more flexible

other objects can be consider totems

allowing shaman-like ablity to appear more in the lore rather than tribal people

[tacit pond]

mhm

I mean some bosses raise destroyable targets that does things like a shaman totem (kinda?) but idk bosses movesets are mix and matches often anyway'

[hybrid gazelle]

EHHH that depend on what your defintion of totems is

but wynncraft for sure is very vague with the term

I mena wait

wait I forgot that one witch do have totem

or effigy type of thing

the well witch

and yeah that closet thing to totem

you gotta kinda like come up with your defintiion of totem in your own intereptation of the lore

[tacit pond]

the one in uhhhh

Lexdale..?

[hybrid gazelle]

Well Witch

the one in Maltic

[tacit pond]

Sry I did that quest one time years ago

Before shaman class was implemented

[eternal helm]

do we know anything abt the ternaves prison..? the fact its been blocked off for so long makes me feel like it has to do with some upcoming lore in endgame

like somehow fruma will be connected to it idfk

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing beside nobody want to go near it

Honestly hard to thjnk anything important about it beside it bein just abandoned content by the ct

It’s connection to Fruma is dubious cause we just lack the evidence saying fruma has anything to do with its existence

[eternal helm]

Yea fair

Besides mysterious place with prisoners

Or does it even have prisoners

[hybrid gazelle]

Look abandoned so don’t think so

[charred wharf]

Finished the first 3 quests of Realm of Light and.. holy cow I really hope Lari gets her crap together before this quest line ends. Over 1000 years of just refusing to attack the dang thing and now this is the mess? Arrrg

Though I did find the whole ||"Kill the Mayor"|| moral choice nice. Do whats best for the world or whats best for the locals? Poorly executed, but a nice show of force that the "light" doesn't always mean good.

[hybrid gazelle]

Rol is weird quest but also yeah made in crunch time

[charred wharf]

I saw it getting some major flack on the forums for how Lari is more or less the poster child for "a good person who stood by their pacifism until it got everyone killed". I also like to call it the TFS Teen Gohan Problem. Good news, you don't have to fight! Your prize is watching everything you love be destroyed around you.

[hybrid gazelle]

There was a reasoning behind her pacifism

But it purely explain and very easy to miss

But yeah rol has its own issue

[charred wharf]

Oh I'm sure it does. I'm excited to see more of the quest, since last I played was before it was introduced.

[hybrid gazelle]

Sad how wynncraft worst quest likely on one of the most discuss quest in the community

The potential it has is vast but sadly many people either want it gone or reduce jt

[charred wharf]

Worst Quest? Lawd, if thats the worst, I can't wait to see its best, cause I can think of plenty that are sooo much worse (Anything involving the flucking jungle)

[hybrid gazelle]

Worst as in it’s 5 part quests but most of it is poorly executed

Otjer quest just isolated quest so it hard to judge and does not waste that much of player time

But tbh truly worst quests yhere is is around jungle area

But it worst in funny away cause of all outdated lore lead to shit thst do not age well

Like black faced character

[charred wharf]

I mean, I'm only in part 3, but I haven't really seen anything egregiously bad about it. Its on par with a whole lot of Middle WoW quest lines.

[hybrid gazelle]

Rol 3 is the worst fkr many people cause it just cutscene

[charred wharf]

T_T

I loved that one.

[hybrid gazelle]

Like beside Lari thst what make rol consider as the worst for many people

Tbh questline wise I also put rom as the worst because like

A lot of thing about is frustrating

[exotic yew]

rol3 is literally rol2 tbf

[hybrid gazelle]

It annoying to play because of rol 3

But it take risk

[exotic yew]

like cutting it out wouldn't make much different at all\

[hybrid gazelle]

Like a lot of risk to be unique

But most of the execution is just fall short

[exotic yew]

tbf we can like cut dullahan out of the picture entirely and it won't affect the story much

[hybrid gazelle]

Everything about rol should make it one of the best quest

It got a lot of thing thst could make jt a best quest

[charred wharf]

I am assuming that's because Dulla doesn't effect anything outside of that quest itself.

[hybrid gazelle]

The direction they took is good

But when the execution fall short

The high is high and the low is the low

[exotic yew]

it's more so of rol already established this

[charred wharf]

RIght, but still.

[exotic yew]

point of pacifism

like why the hell are we beating a dead horse

[charred wharf]

It hammers home how Lari's actions actually effected others specificially.

Which is important.

Since we have only at that point seen it in Big Picture Mode

[exotic yew]

that mansion quest

[charred wharf]

Yep

Her actions led directly to someone losing thier head 😛

Or inaction I should say

[exotic yew]

also like rol1 already shown us the effect of her actions

[charred wharf]

I mean, only kinda.

[hybrid gazelle]

Rol quests take more time to bashing on Lari character than actually being good quest lmaooo

[exotic yew]

rol3 feels redundant at best

[hybrid gazelle]

Dullahan character barely affect anything in rol as a whole

[exotic yew]

also not to mention dullahan is a loose end

[charred wharf]

Ok, that also depends on when you do the quests.

[hybrid gazelle]

What

[charred wharf]

The it feeling that way thing.,

[exotic yew]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

Dude you will always do rol 2 before rol 3

[charred wharf]

So if you do the quests back to back, I could see ROI3 being a heavy case of "Why are we hammering this point"

But if you aren't (like I did not cause I was pulled everywhere but there for a while), its a nice reminder of the situation.

[exotic yew]

it's literally rol1 but with rol2 already established

[hybrid gazelle]

If you need a reminder for one of the main plot thst lead to the entire event

Then I like

[exotic yew]

rol1 olux as a whole and the grootslang is literally dying BECAUSE OF HER

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk man that a problem

[exotic yew]

like

that's literally consequnece directly caused by her inaction

who gaf about one elf guy

[hybrid gazelle]

Also thst fall into issue of poor pacing

[charred wharf]

In my defense, I did the Grootslang unlock hours before I even looked at 2 or 3.

[hybrid gazelle]

Rather than fixing it while new quest

Yeah okay

[charred wharf]

So I had honestly forgot most of what it involved other than "Big Worm"

[exotic yew]

Dullahan is also just her friend

he also appeared like twice

in lexdale of all places btw

anyway let's not talk about lexdale

an elf running villager's prison is one of the most bullshit thing I have ever seen

[charred wharf]

And in terms of the quest itself, its not really that bad. Yes, its a cutscene quest, but its not bad by any real stretch. I have played soooo much worse elsewhere (Love you City of Heroes, but the amount of fluffing cutscene quests are waay too high for litterally no payoff)

[exotic yew]

comparing bad to worse doesn't make the quest magically better

just saying

[charred wharf]

I am also looking at the quest through the lens of other MMOs and how poorly they handle the situation is all I'm saying. Could it be done better? Sure. Dulla needs more of a presence before and potentially after. Is it "why does this exist bad"? Nah. From a first timers perspective its just alright.

It didn't make me pull my hair out like.. well anything in the jungle.

I really don't like the Jungle.

Now, if Dulla is basically a vestigial piece.. remove the quest. It can be told better through 1 and 2 with better pacing.

[exotic yew]

dullahan himself is literally redundant. and if anything he complicates the story for no reason

[charred wharf]

Tho I have yet to reach 4 or 5, so they may sour me on it. We shall see.

As long as its not anywhere near as bad at the Jungle Dungeon and that damned Sheep quest, I will probably be happy.

[exotic yew]

how about this we stopped discussing for now and you finished the quest first

[charred wharf]

Cause IMO.. that whole quest and dungeon needs.. everything.

[exotic yew]

you mean the undergrowth ruins dungeon

atleast it is not an important quest, still kinda ass yes

[charred wharf]

The Parkour "Puzzle" room literally killed me multiple times due to bugging out in the landings.

I had to walk away and come back to finish it.

[exotic yew]

....

I don't think that fits with the discussion

[charred wharf]

It doesn't, but it was a heavy point of annoyance. The Shaman guy was just kinda.. ok.

[exotic yew]

quest bad because bug vs quest bad because writing & designs.

like

literally two different things

[charred wharf]

Like, I'm still very unclear as to why he was considered as big a threat as the first quest built him up to be.

Unless his plan was to spam the world with slimes.

That could get frustrating

[exotic yew]

overwhelm one of the strongest fortress in wynn is quite a bad thing

consider he also worked with the big bad

[charred wharf]

Oh.. wait.. he did?

[exotic yew]

did you even pay attention

[charred wharf]

I feel like that point flew past me like a brick

[exotic yew]

/j

[charred wharf]

He just seemed pissy that he wasn't getting tributes and that Bob took all the glory.

[exotic yew]

yes that's like

his main motivation

which is kinda ass

but he also made a pact with the big bad

kinda funny

[charred wharf]

Knowing he actually was working with the corruption and not just "I'm angry and lashing out" makes it.. kinda better?

[exotic yew]

should we tell him @hybrid gazelle

actually I think I spoke too much

you should keep playing for now

[charred wharf]

Oh lawd. Continuing the fun then. Gotta go deal with a fire slime burning peoples house down.

[exotic yew]

just continue rol4 or something

that should explains more

[charred wharf]

Only level 67. But will when I'm able

[charred wharf]

Ok, I can clearly see the pacing issue. Did the mansion quest where the corruption sent a whole family into madness (Quite a fun quest) and the very next quest I unlocked was back in Troms.

Thats.. thats on the other side of the world game.

[hybrid gazelle]

LAMO THE EVIL SPOON QUEST

[charred wharf]

Its definitely a quest. Definitely a quest of stuff and things happening that is tangentially related to the events of ROI3.

If and or when this all gets another pass, I would love to see level/quest crunching, with stuff more concentrated instead of this tossing back and forth tho.

Cause.. I think when I was looking at the quests from 40 to 75ish, its a whole lot of back and forth between the south/ south western part Wynn and the Western side of Gaval with some Island hopping fun in the middle of it if you strictly follow the content guide (even moreso if Wynntils is used I imagine).

Current favorites that I will want to discuss tho for lore purposes is the Villager vs Orcs line. That was quite nice and nicely executed i thought.

And helping the orcs in the Peace quest was a lot of fun.

[hybrid gazelle]

the only relation it has with ROL 3 is just Lari cameo and Dulahan mention LOL

in grand scheme of thing Memory Paranoid is just some oudated quest that barely get updated so it kinda get left out

[charred wharf]

So, how did this update pass work? Was it basically just beginning and endgame that got a solid hit?

With everything else kinda just getting slight rework passing to fit the reforged lore?

[hybrid gazelle]

if you mean how they updating the quest

s ofar it seems they begin from early game rn

and working their way to mid game

recently the mercenary quest got rework in rekindled world

it likely post Fruma, they will focus more with updating the quest

[charred wharf]

Oh. OH.

That explains so much.

So if one was to do a "lore of Wynncraft" video, where does the current lore hit the wall, or is it all more or less on the same page?

[hybrid gazelle]

I haven o fucking idea

some old material may stay or get recontextualize

some may get entire rewrite

it's just up for CT to decide what stay or not stay

as of rn if one to do wynncraft lore video

it better to do the summary of the lore and ignore smaller storyline

mostly briefly mention them

[upbeat harbor]

What is the black skull trying to say in A hunter's calling?

i cant really tell behind all the poems and stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

shit fucked if you are on the villain side

that pretty much it

the entire quest is pretty much show you the alternate outcome

or different prespective of what happen when you on the otherside

I think at least like IDK man A hunter's calling got many alternate outcome adn stuff

[upbeat harbor]

and why does the skull want you to see this

[hybrid gazelle]

no idea

it like it want to show you how to end or whatever

like

IDK man it's also related to hunted mode

[digital swan]

Same reason as in history

most people prefer not to feel doomed

this is how genocides work

rarely in history is a genocide sudden

after the fact a lot of people ask why people didn't notice the signs earlier and flee

and the answer is usually that people would like to think that "this is as bad as it's going to get"

until of course it's too late

so I'd guess he's a survivor

or wait for time valley that was also dern beast right

for silent expanse and jungle we know it's thanks to dern beast attack

i forget for time valley

eh dern forces probably got time valley first on the way to jungle there isn't much of any other way there is it

[digital swan]

I mean I think it's plausible that a father might not abandon his child
I suppose instinct might dictate that ig

[jagged turret]

is frumas sixth sovereign as in there are six sovereigns in fruma or fruma's queen is the sixth sovereign in whatever the world is called

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t really know but fruma queen sure as hell is not sovereign

Because like

That like having king as mayor

or king as lord

[jagged turret]

why couldn't she be sovereign though?

[hybrid gazelle]

because soveriegn suppose to be below the queen herself to help her operate the empire as the description mention

it would be redundant to call her soveriegn

because she is above them

[digital swan]

is she an airline pilot on the side then, if not a sovereign

[jagged turret]

oh ok just read the discription understood now

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

basically it lke calling general a captain because like

why would they call that, general is already above captain

[exotic yew]

What is the context of this

[slim belfry]

probably a reference

[exotic yew]

Like why airline pilot

Bro tried too hard to be funny

[digital swan]

King Willem-Alexander the goat

[hybrid gazelle]

just ignore him

[jagged turret]

incase the queen doesnt like a certain tower

[slim belfry]

see told ya it's a reference

[exotic yew]

Think of the sovereigns like a colony

I guess

[digital swan]

I'm surprised more people don't know the king of the netherlands is an airline pilot

I actually met him once on a KLM flight

[slim belfry]

I dont know it I can sometimes smell context

[exotic yew]

It's just not something you gonna look up everyday

[hybrid gazelle]

nor expect in a wynncraft server

[exotic yew]

It's like I expected you to know what the hell a baculum is

[digital swan]

isn't that a bone

[exotic yew]

Is it

Actually not obscure enough

[slim belfry]

sounds like one

[digital swan]

not a human bone I'm pretty sure

I'd recognize it if it was

[exotic yew]

Oh?

Where is olecranon then if I may ask

[slim belfry]

oh so that's what bone it is

[digital swan]

we are NOT doing a quiz right now

[exotic yew]

Nah you said you know it so

[digital swan]

elbow sounding shit?

that's one that sucks if you break it

[exotic yew]

Most bone suck if you broke it

Yeah see how specific this is

[digital swan]

yeah but like on a scale of arm to acl it's like one of the ones that sucks to break

or tear

[exotic yew]

That doesn't make sense

[digital swan]

like arms get broken pretty regularly and it's just a cast and some recovery but torn acl is supposed to be like horrible pain and surgery isn't it

[exotic yew]

Why are you so sure it's the arm

Also acl is not even at the shoulder

[digital swan]

if it's obscure it's going to be one of the tiny joint bones

[digital swan]

yeah I know I'm just using it as a benchmark of "sucks to heal"

[exotic yew]

Arms has tiny joint bones 🙏

(no they don't)

[digital swan]

like the carpus those are also tiny joint bones

for the wrist right

[exotic yew]

Carpus is so broad

[digital swan]

all of those kinda annoying tiny joint bones

[exotic yew]

Be more specific

[digital swan]

everyone's gonna ask that

[exotic yew]

Yeah those have names btw

[digital swan]

who ever asks you to name the ulna or smth

[exotic yew]

What

[digital swan]

the one I remember off the top of my head is trapezoid which is eternally entertaining because I can't see how exactly it's trapezoidal at all

[digital swan]

one second lemme check actually

...of course you think of that

😭

[exotic yew]

Olecranon is not a baculum

Literally different

[exotic yew]

That's just your prejudice towards me lmao. I can ask you about kidney stone instead of you wanted

[digital swan]

well yeah but why is the first thing you thought of as completely obscure knowledge

[exotic yew]

Because that's what I studied?

[digital swan]

ig fair

[exotic yew]

Also probably the less obscure one because people like looking it up

I mean imagine me asking "name two bones that pronator muscles is located between"

That's gonna be pain in the arse unless you ever went to med school

[digital swan]

I get it that it's supposed to be prone and supine but wtf pronator is such a worse name compared to supinator

on the other hand that's entirely because I like Terminator

[jagged turret]

could this be possible

[digital swan]

so ignore that I think

[exotic yew]

I don't get it

[jagged turret]

its how the plains are connected

[exotic yew]

Mostly like what is going on in the physical realm

[digital swan]

this
this is just the Guardian's thing

[exotic yew]

Oh

[digital swan]

but like recolored

[jagged turret]

whats that

[exotic yew]

Yeah this is how people supposed it worked

[digital swan]

RoL 4

[exotic yew]

You might wanna address things like the void and stuff

[digital swan]

isn't the void utterly unrelated to the whole light and dark storyline it's more of a Colossus storyline thing

[exotic yew]

Pronation means "inward rotation"

Iirc

[exotic yew]

The whole universe is still the same universe is it not

[digital swan]

i mean
it's such a jarring name to hear

[exotic yew]

Also the dark literally weaponized void

[digital swan]

versus the nicer sounding "supination"

[exotic yew]

It's different fuction

[digital swan]

whar

[exotic yew]

Supination is "outward rotation"

[exotic yew]

TNA

[digital swan]

isn't that a totally different area of void
oh yeah what's going on with Ahmsord void having nothing below it

vs TNA void having whatever that ocean thing is

[exotic yew]

It's the same void afaik

[digital swan]

yeah but different area

[exotic yew]

So?

Still same void lol

[gusty fable]

hi

[exotic yew]

The thing that happened in void valley is just TNA stealing some reality

[exotic yew]

Hi

[digital swan]

idk I think the void really acts more as a region of what's above it so the TNA void isn't as much the Darkness weaponizing the void as the Darkness controlling the Silent Expanse and Void Valleyifying the area of void connected to it?

[exotic yew]

The colossus case, it attacks are so powerful and rip reality apart by sheerforce

[gusty fable]

i made in minecraft a tnt railgun

[exotic yew]

How do I put this

[digital swan]

like there's probably most of void is normal just the islands affected by darkness

[exotic yew]

TNA was trapped there by dernbeast

To make it steals from wherever the darkness has influence on

So Orphion cannot take it back

Something along that line

[gusty fable]

do you know about the 2b2t server

[exotic yew]

I kinda forgot but that's what I got from discussion with CT

[exotic yew]

Don't you think this is abit off topic

[gusty fable]

uh

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

dude this is wynncraft lore

channel

you aint getting anything out of 2b2t here

[gusty fable]

oh,ol

k

[digital swan]

tell them I said hi and that I think they need to raze that newgen wheat valley regardless of whatever history also chat in #🍺general best to be off topic there

[exotic yew]

Tbf we were off topic before we're back at the void but yeah

[gusty fable]

ok

[exotic yew]

Anyway tomatoes potatoes

[digital swan]

I think I have a tendency to tangent hard

my bad ig

[exotic yew]

But basically TNA were forced to "help" dern

Hence, weaponizing the ability of TNA to stole reality

To the void

[digital swan]

ye but I still think the majority void is like unrelated to light&dark storyline there's just a section that's dern controlled but it's isolated so TNA doesn't get out

[slim belfry]

good username

[gusty fable]

thx

i actuali biult the cannon and it works very good

it works on bedrock or java

[hybrid gazelle]

been thinking of how wynn would be like for siege activity

I like the idea of expanding location for the siege activity to give location more detail

I magine Southern Wall of Detlas has more walls and towers as bastion to defend the city from corruption

[jagged turret]

ok i remade it

[slim belfry]

yeah one would assume so

[lucid ruin]

Does the Void have any correlation to the Realm of Light and Orphion?

[jagged turret]

the void might be under the islands in the realm of light

[hybrid gazelle]

huh???

ure whatever I guerss

[jagged turret]

i included void

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern is real mof darkness

why would it be outside???

do you mean SE??

the void is like its own thing it's nothingness

relam of light is realm of light

that the hwole point of the void

[hybrid gazelle]

the void is just a place ofn othing ness

it basically unreality so it not really related to realm of light

it's its own thing as far as we know

tbh they saying that water play a role in detering corruption

which lead to some theory i have

[slim belfry]

is it the water life theory

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[hoary turret]

hm

[hybrid gazelle]

wow that cool man

but this is not what the channel about

can you please leave

[drifting aurora]

the void is just everything outside of reality. between the realms is void

[eternal helm]

It was just “cosmic event” so I’d assume(?) it was it. as we don’t see meteors or something, unless time valley wasn’t a time warped area before and the cosmic stuff was the blue rocks crashing down (you see this outside of the bridge w/ the dungeon (is it still called the sanctuary bridge?)) so maybe that changed time valley? idk

Someone mentioned before that blue meteors/crystals change your time in space and purple ones change your position, and that time valley (and apparently other places where you time travel(?) blue rocks/particles are seen) and in areas like the sky islands there’s the purple crystal that keeps the islands floating as it changes the position in space

[dim plover]

Cool map

But quick question, if the “Dern Portal” presumably leads to Dern, then why is it in the region already called Dern

[eternal helm]

Would it not be the realms of elements? I always thought it kinda was inbetween those somehow and is why corrupteds usually share the same elemental weaknesses and vice versa with light

[drifting aurora]

?

[warm adder]

there is a reason for it

[eternal helm]

idk xD

btw lore ppl- wasn't a questline with aledar/tasim throughout all of wynn a thing

or like

discussed

like tasim and or aledar would join you through gavel

[haughty shoal]

Tasim does mention going with aledar on a mission in gavel

in his wynnter festival text

[prime sand]

Hello yappers

[dim plover]

What realms of elements

Has the game mentioned this?

[eternal helm]

idk i thought i heard them get mentioned once but ig not

[dim plover]

Where

I want to see this as well

[eternal helm]

idk where

might have been someone else

[dim plover]

I feel like elemental stats on mobs are like, a gameplay thing

I have never heard of there being more than 3 Realms of Influence

[eternal helm]

but imo if the Light and Darkness are elements (as shown in A Journey Beyond) then I feel like the other elements would probably have realms too and thats how they exist too

speculation tho

[dim plover]

Ok that makes sense to someone who has done AJB

Reasonable

(But just so you know, Light and Dark aren't elements)

If they were then Corruption would also have to be an element

And that's kinda weird

[eternal helm]

Dren: But.. There is a hidden element, ❂Darkness..

doesnt mention Light as an element

but if darkness is an element

thenn

[dim plover]

Yeah the CT hate that part of the quest

I can't remember the reason why whoever wrote that dialogue wrote it

[eternal helm]

huh

[dim plover]

That's not canon lol

Whoever wrote that dialogue didn't actually like

[eternal helm]

tbh i like the idea of there being realms for the elements,, it would make sense

[dim plover]

know realm lore that well

[dim plover]

It only makes sense if Light and Darkness are elements

Which, no they're like two priomordial forces

It's like the two gods of Wynncraft

In all fairness having gods for the other five elements would be cool and the concept of a Wynncraft Pantheon does sound pretty appealing

But then what relevance would the five elemental realms even have in the story

[eternal helm]

yea idk, but at the same time it could kinda be cool bc like there is a crystal for every element it seems, fire water earth and thunder you see in wynnex, and the air one seems to be with farcor and mightve been the reason why Amadel didnt become a full on god or smtn idk

[dim plover]

and the air one seems to be with farcor
Huh?

[eternal helm]

like my headcannon that makes some sense, is that Light and Darkness are the main two forces/elements, but the other 5 crystals just kinda exist as powers and maybe there is a realm maybe there isnt but they are elements/forces to some extent and have some type of entity guarding them like Farcor the air dragon, etc. obv there isnt enough evidence for this but until theres more lore added this is how i view the game lol

[eternal helm]

huh with farcor or huh the crystal

[dim plover]

both

Where does it say that Farcor has a Crystal

[eternal helm]

bc the crystal isnt mentioned but it seems likely that one would exist, also smtn smtn windwalker temple smtn smtn void unfinished lore smtn smtn void winds smtn smtn air element smtn smtn if you made all wynnex crystals elements you'd be missing air...

[dim plover]

This tells me nothing

How does any of this implies that Farcor has a WynnEx Crystal

Are you conflating canonical information with my fanmade rewrite of WynnEx

I haven't talked about that in months I would be surprised if that was the case

[eternal helm]

also like although (i think) it says the Olm used the power of the 4 crystals (maybe it doesnt mention the amount tho) if they could escape a god, that seems very strong, and if we can beat amadel with the same crystals at level 75 and struggle to fight Orphion solo like 4 levels later something seems off

obv rpg game

challenge

but like

Amadel is TOO easy for level 75 if he was meant to be a god..

[dim plover]

Old boss idk

[eternal helm]

head cannon

[dim plover]

Level 75 back then was the endgame

Also WynnEx crystals aren't even based off of the elements???

One of the crystals is purple

[eternal helm]

yea ik but even back then bob was stronger and if bob wasnt strong enough to stop the dern beast then like

[eternal helm]

yea ik

again

headcannon

[dim plover]

oh ok

[eternal helm]

i see the purple one as more blue tbh

and since its with the Twains area

i see it as Intelligence

aka

water

[dim plover]

Yeah same

I sure wished it was blue

[eternal helm]

is this from the se discovery?

[dim plover]

Yeah

[eternal helm]

i still wonder who "that lad" is..

[dim plover]

Maybe if the WynnEx Crystals were added into the game after Wynncraft added the 5 elements instead of before then it might have been blue

[eternal helm]

was it an olm or smtn

[eternal helm]

yea but again their entire lore is kinda jank and needs some rework so until they do that im making some jumps to my view on the lore to make it make more sense until there is actually something to heavily prove it wong

[dim plover]

alright

Man I should go back to fanwriting WynnEx again, that was kinda fun and I do still want to tell the story

[eternal helm]

bc like obviously it doesnt say farcor has a crystal, and the crystals found in SE was only 4, BUT in my headcannon:

the crystals seem to kinda be representative of elements (at least 3/5 which is majority and 4/5 if you view the purple one as blue), Amadel, even if an old boss, seems too simple to actually defeat for having the crystals that should make him a god, and the entire void seems to be very wind adjacent, like, Farcor a wind dragon, the Windwalker temple cave, the Void winds in tna (not sure if this is fully connected to ahmsord void) and the rumors of an actual wind temple in the void that fell and a remnant of it that you can bring items to. So there seems to be a lot of Air related things to the void which could be a 5th air crystal, who knows

so like

thats just what I think as like, there are some flaws but there isnt anything 100% disproving it as lore hasnt been written enough yet

also gonna resend this bc got backlogged with headcannon yap xD (even more headcannon/opinions... yay...)

bc idk abt u all but if that is true idk abt how I feel... the early game questline imo was needed to actually make Aledar and Tasim more into important characters instead of never seeing them for 100 levels after the tutorial, but at the same time, I feel after fighting side by side with Aledar in the desert not seeing him for 70 levels adds a great break where once you see him you want to catch up but also get pushed by this team to go to the silent expanse and makes the sacrifice even more brutal and perfect as you don't see him for a while but he was also established more as a character. And on Tasims side, (this is a little more speculation imagining he will be with you in Fruma, which by what he said after the Recover The Past quest it seems like he would REALLY want to know what actually happened and what is going on IN Fruma, but-) he mentioned going to Gavel, and I really don't want to have my hand held by Tasim through gavel even if it is only like 5-6 quests, IMO I'd love it more if after the Elkurn encounter and Tasim started to feel hurt that he would want to go back to Fruma, and his trip to gavel could bring maybe one revamped quest where you fight with him to bring back the 3 orc heads, and then Tasim tells you that he is going to try to look into Fruma and read the books in the library, then only once again at level 70~ you can find him in the guild hall looking at records trying to find info on Fruma, and if you found the secret discovery in Llevigar with the hidden records about Fruma, Wynn, etc. you could mention it to him... idk imo this feels like a good buildup while also not literally following you through the whole (at least first 101 levels) game

[digital swan]

but only if you've done the donjon and far above the clouds can you find him in llevigar talking to the w&k guy

[eternal helm]

wait wdym

[digital swan]

you said if you found the secret discovery in llevigar you could talk to him in cinfras guild hall

what about instead you can find him in llevigar secret library

but only if you do donjon and far above the clouds

[eternal helm]

I think thats what I meant but

wait

now im confused

xd

[eternal helm]

bc doesn't this not give items anymore to access the llevigar secret

or am i dumb

wait

i might be dumb

[digital swan]

far above clouds still gives w&k

[eternal helm]

right yea

and thats how you access the secret

with the fruma stuff

or wait

to access the extra lore npc with bob

the fruma stuff is still able to be accessed at lvl 1 if u tried right

[digital swan]

but I'm suggesting
if you also do donjon Before far above the clouds you also find Tasim

[digital swan]

it really sucks but yes I think

I should try sometime

the dodging for the far above the clouds tho

:bartek:

ehhh can't be worse than dark wood cutting

[charred wharf]

Ok, so I finally got to ROI4.. and yea.. ROI3 and Dulla can basically be excised completely without any real loss unless they do some real work placing Dulla into the story otherwise.

Still finding the quest line to be quite enjoyable thol. That fight... that fight was fun. Wish it could have gone to completion but dang.. it was a good time.

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL 3 and Dullahan existence could be turning point into making ROL into a good quest

it just too bad it never got execute at all

so now ROL 3 as a whole just view as unncessery part of ROL as a whole

despite its potential to improve so much about the storyline

ROL 3 removal is good option if you want to remove the idea of expanding Lari character and just make ROL feel less complex

[jagged turret]

roots of corruption kinda look like a ribcage with lungs

[pallid rain]

lung cancer

[dim plover]

Giant Corpse Roots of Corruption confirmed

(The portal is actually just a hole that leads into its head, which is buried into the wall on the other side)

People go insane and die upon visiting the brain area because looking through the corpse’s deranged and sickening mind causes their mental state to burst into flames
(It has a really inane search history)

[hushed obsidian]

I was typing at the same time grrr

[dim plover]

Yeah but what kind of disgusting thoughts is going through this beast’s neurons

[hushed obsidian]

Anni, clearly

[dim plover]

Why is one of its searches “Ao3 polyamorous yuri slow burn OTP Uzi x N x V x J fanfic post canon”

Truly terrible stuff

Couldn’t be me

[dim plover]

No no no Annie is the brainworm
The rest of its body is actually serpentine

[hushed obsidian]

oh interesting lore drop

[hushed obsidian]

erm

[dim plover]

I know, terrible stuff
Who knows what else is in the Realm of War

I’m definitely not jumping headfirst into the nether the first chance the game gives me

[hushed obsidian]

well for starters there is probably war

[dim plover]

Nah, ship wars in fandoms actually faded out a couple years back once everyone figured out that you can just like, put all the ships together

||(Joke aside this is a legitimate thing that’s been happening in newer fandoms I am so proud of people)||

[hushed obsidian]

interesting

[dim plover]

My first exposure was Amphibia, was a Disney show or smth

I think

[hushed obsidian]

so basically a big floating island ||I will ignore any other meaning of the word||

[dim plover]

And the three main human characters Anne, Sasha and Marcy were very prominent

Oh wait this isn’t an offtopic channel

Nvm skip

What were we talking about

Right Nether Head

When will we accidentally flood the Roots of Corruption with Lazarus Pit water

And regenerate and wake up the massive corpse

[hushed obsidian]

that war in the realm of war ended because they started combining their ships into one big ship.

[hushed obsidian]

fountain of youth is SO MUCH closer bro

[dim plover]

Ok yeah but we haven’t seen Fountain of Youth do that yet

[hushed obsidian]

well the lazarus pit wasn't quiet successull either

but you are right fountain of youth could have different effects. Worth the try though for how much closer it is

though I wonder if water wouldn't evaporate there immediately

[dim plover]

Idk I’ve had ideas of flooding the Roots of Corruption with the ocean

The entire basin is surrounded by a moat of water that the main Wynn Province river splits to

If you dig trenches it connects directly with the ocean

[hushed obsidian]

well if anything we would dig a short trench from the river right next to the entrance to the roots of corruption

[dim plover]

Or I guess in the correct direction, the infinite pool of water in the mountains at Twain Lake

Idk how or where the water comes from

But that’s literally the spot of one of the Secret Discoveries

[hushed obsidian]

it's magical ice placed there by theorick to terraform their garden a bit

[dim plover]

I would get it if the water came from some unspecified location past the mountains that’s blocked by barriers or smth

But like no it stops at a small pond at the top of the waterfall

[hushed obsidian]

the ice there melts into the water but constantly regenerates because it's magic theorick ice (I made this up)

[chilly tulip]

I mean in could the map just have the less used mountain range removed from the side of the ocean?

And just have like a message pop up saying something like “The fog prevents you from going forward” like BOTW or something

[drifting aurora]

ehhhh. maybe we have the tools for it but a larger issue i think is the stuff sitting just outside the map borders, which would be awkward to move. + im not sure we'd be able to do it in a way that feels good

[chilly tulip]

Yeah that’s fair, the ocean just feels kind of small currently and I wish it could feel bigger

Is there potential for like an ocean expansion or revamp?

[drifting aurora]

possibly

[candid solar]

is there any lore explanation for the convinently placed carpets in quests

[spring kernel]

orphion places carpets to guide you

[candid solar]

playable

[warm adder]

what about the quests that aren’t related to orphion

[spring kernel]

that's also him

[warm adder]

oh

[slender copper]

It's like how some games have yellow markers on objective items, it's best not to question.

[candid solar]

wdym, I got a perfect answer

[slender copper]

Nvm someone from the content and moderation team answered it, why am I to chime in? xD

[formal bridge]

Your soldier instincts are so strong your brain creates markers on the right way to go

[candid solar]

i will now read every dialogue to see someone else than the player reference to them to disprove this

[slender copper]

Think the closest to that is in the "Lost in the Jungle" quest where Gracen says there is a "strange trail on the ground".

Which is a trail of pink and purple carpet.

[dim plover]

God I hate that one

Because of THIS

He said they sent out a search with their warrior and only NOW he notices the trail literally right beside him

God who on earth wrote this quest

The quest being really old is no excuse for this god-awful objective prompter

[warm adder]

purple emerald

why do you keep changing ur pfp/nick

[spring kernel]

Yes you should take everything i say as factual

[regal spire]

At least the new fight is dope

If you’re doing it with underleveled gear

[chilly tulip]

Do we know if more quests are going to be revamped to have Tasim and Aledar? From the Festival dialogue with Tasim it seems like we wouldn’t have crossed paths in Gavel, but do you think we’ll have any interactions with them post-Recover the Past?

[digital swan]

it's a lake

[shut hornet]

maybe he just has difficulty seeing the colour purple

[charred wharf]

Who do I need to give money to in order to get another Talking Frog quest?

[cold cove]

???

Where is this?

[digital swan]

me

[charred wharf]

I am also fully in love with the Shrinking Quest too.

Like, I have no idea of if either have any lore implications, but they are amazing little snippets into the magic of the world for sure.

[digital swan]

oh wrong game I think

there are no quests of that name in Wynncraft

[charred wharf]

Oh I wasn't even paying attention to the names

Just what happens in them.

The talking frog one is the one the elf gives you to find a mushroom for her. Sends the player on one hell of a trip. Fantastic quest.

And then the shrinking one is "A bigger picture" I think? Very fun time. Very Alice in Wonderland.

[molten escarp]

the bigger picture yeah

[digital swan]

oh all the elf quests are like that
there's one where you find the stuff that elves use
(it's cannabis)

[charred wharf]

I am 100% in on the elf lore then. I love that kinda wacky stuff.

Until this point, tbh, the lore / story of the quests has been super serious and downer.. and then I get "lets get stoned" the quests.

[digital swan]

hm let's see

there's

The Olmic Rune is nice and neutral

Recipe for Disaster is cool

Enter the Dojo is alright

Beyond the Grave and Cowfusion

[candid solar]

since anni is the PRELUDE to annihilation, will actual annihilation come in fruma?

[digital swan]

Fallen Delivery and General's Orders

[digital swan]

I doubt it

I think it'll come in the secret area

[candid solar]

what lvl are u

[digital swan]

yknow after Fruma there's supposed to be two secret areas releasing

[charred wharf]

77

[candid solar]

uuu the good parts are just starting

[digital swan]

Realm of Dern and Realm of War

I think full Annihilation will come in Realm of War

but apparently it's a hard to reach secret area

[candid solar]

hard to reach = never releasing

[dim plover]

Doesn't Annie being a boss whose main thing is being a boss that's partially emerging in the portal mean that the player's never actually going to be able to use the portal and enter the Realm of War

[digital swan]

first you have to complete whatever quests will be required for it, then you have to walk to the corruption portal
but the hardest part is waiting the 5-10 years without losing hope before the ct actually adds realm of war

[drifting aurora]

annihilation is what comes if it is not pushed back

[hybrid gazelle]

Omg does thst Wynn people get to watch the movie?

[dim plover]

Ok so I was planning to make a fusion of Lanu's old and new appearances for fun (Like, old skin but with updated cloak texture) but I remembered that Wynncraft changed her skin color

And I'm not sure how offensive it'll look if I altered any part of that so I've kinda accidentally backed myself into this one

[unique jungle]

i feel like that would make it easier
like new skin color with old clothing or something

[dim plover]

What

The old clothing is terribly-textured though

I think

Wait lemme go check again

Ok it's not too bad

But the point of the fusion is that I want the old appearance but with the newer appearance's textures

(Can also probably use it for my WynnEx rework but that's a side thing)

[dry aspen]

I think they changed how lanu looked because she is in the jungle now so they made her more like the iboju? That's my guess at least

[eternal helm]

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

for how long have these barriers been removed..

[spring kernel]

few months i think

[eternal helm]

the iron bars/windows looking in got covered with black,,,

r we finally getting lore 🥹

[hybrid gazelle]

no I dont think that the intention

even then that osund very

yeah

[candid solar]

i know this sentence is to be interpreted as “annihilation will come if prelude to annihilation is not pushed back”, but ill interpret it as if its not pushed back by the content team

making wynncraft devs the true puppet master of annihilation

[dim plover]

Wait is it confirmed that she lives in Troms now

Because she does still appear in the Desert Quest

The Mercenary or whatever it’s called

[spring kernel]

Annihilation is what happens when a 15 year old builder gets bored and floods the whole map with lava for the 8th time

[hybrid gazelle]

no

[mossy widget]

hell no

[hybrid gazelle]

even then that like insane thing to say LMAOO

[candid solar]

wynncraft uses child labor???

[drifting aurora]

too true.....

[spring kernel]

Yeah we have like 80 of those guys in a cellar in quebec

[candid solar]

WYNNCRAFT IS CANADIAN

even worse

[soft radish]

You didn't know that?

Salted is Canadian

French Canadian to be specific

[native river]

Chat i have question. What is the lore behind The Nameless Anomaly because this homie is not mentioned in any quest and just appeared randomly as a boss/raid

[silver gale]

even journey beyond and further don't mention him a single time

it just suddenly opens up when you kill aledar because yes

[hybrid gazelle]

something from dern realm and able to escape it

now it just making hole reality and indirectly help dern by bringing in part of dern into the plane

adn that like hte most rough summary possible

[native river]

and where did you get those informations from?

[hybrid gazelle]

Some message from CTs scatter around this server or other server or wiki

not the best source, but you get what you get

[silver gale]

the storytelling for greg is kind of awful, it's like if realm of light went through the entire quest without mentioning a bug or orphion

and then having to fight it in a raid because yes

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft story telling is not the best but it is what it is

pretty sure they mention TNA MIGHT get a quest someday

[silver gale]

even the wyrm in notg has some relevance in that short quest

and made total sense why we're fighting it

not greg though

[hybrid gazelle]

this is al lwe got from the wiki LOL

this is like the more condense part of TNA lore

A lot of thing about TNA is mostly through implication and theorizing

[silver gale]

entire thing is basically just a description of what he looks like

[hybrid gazelle]

Yep

[silver gale]

maybe fruma quests will tell us something

[hybrid gazelle]

Ehhh unlikely but sure

If you okay with theorizing

there evidence supporting the fact that it has olmic origin

[dry aspen]

D'oh. Honestly if I had the magical content edit button I'd replace Junes with lanu again, it'd make her more interesting and we would be more familiar with her

[hybrid gazelle]

June already replace lanu

in Kingdom of Sand

Lanu is her current role is her own and not something that can replace with June

[dry aspen]

I meant like re-replace. Make Lanu have 2 dungeons to talk to us at

[hybrid gazelle]

which 2

[dry aspen]

Shes at undergrowth

[hybrid gazelle]

and?

[dry aspen]

Instead of random troms mage lass

[hybrid gazelle]

June already perfect role as SST npc

I rather not replace her with Lanu

Lanu so far seems to be mage mercenary I THINK but not sure due to the fact that Corrupted Betrayal still only get slight edit

[dry aspen]

I just want more characters that we see for more than just 2 quests

[hybrid gazelle]

we can have that but when it's appropriate

[dry aspen]

Wait elphaba exists

Neat

Shes there for like 5 of the things

Then she peaces out for like 40 levels and starts dual welding staffs like nobody's business

The returns and dies pathetically iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

Elphaba probably operate in Gavel so like

ehhhh

[dry aspen]

I wonder what the team will do with characters like mel and that other guy they added in the mercenary quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly would be cool if they appear for mesa quest

but not really sure

[night shale]

What are the weakest / strongest sentient races?

In need evidence to support my villager slander

[night shale]

S tier: Humans , Villagers

A tier:
Elves (can use magic use magic but their strongest chosen by light is either dead or trapped in another dimension)

Avo (they can use powerful totem magic and fly which should put them in s tier however they lost land to corkian (human) settlers who took over like half their island also they have smaller populations compared to the s tiers

B tier:
Dwarves (can use magic but don’t use magic)

C tier:
Doguns (they may have fire magic but they live in tents and got bodied by the magic adverse dwarves and they are limited to hot areas and weaken/freeze in the cold)

Olms (they deserve a sss tier due to their incredible space and time magics but they’re basically almost extinct which is why they have such a low rating)

D tier:
Dragons (individual strong but basically almost extinct)

F tier:
orcs (can’t use magic and live in tents)

Idk tier: (goblins)

Is this race tier list accurate

I’m powerscaling the entire race

[hybrid gazelle]

well tier list are mostly opinion based

so

eh

[night shale]

Also tbf

Elves chosen of light was pacifist

So really should be f tier

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

[night shale]

But they no longer pacific at

Pacifist

[hybrid gazelle]

oh you mean Lari

okay

[night shale]

But then they are trapped or dead in dern

And if they dead wouldn’t the orph pick a new chosen

[hybrid gazelle]

okay

[night shale]

Elves don’t ah e enough feats to power scale

Olms basically extinct

Villagers are s tier due to how widespread they are

Don’t have enough info about them

[hybrid gazelle]

damn okay

[night shale]

Avis are too small population to be s tier and have conflict with smaller group of humans the corkians

Doguns are dwarf fodder

But doguns can communicate with dragons and colossus which could destroy half a entire province or something

So maybe doguns should be higher

But they got bodied by dwarves

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

[night shale]

Dwarves have less land but lots of fortresses and wealth form mining

Siege weapons and gear

However they don’t really use magic

So they fall behind corkians in terms of technology and the other races who use magic

And doguns despite using magic are beneath the dwarves because their magic is limited to fire and lava and they are weak to the cold so they can’t expand far from the volcano’s

But however one dogun was far from volcanoes but they were greyer and weaker

So they not as strong when far from heat

[hybrid gazelle]

wow

[ember coyote]

Guys what's ur favorite quests

I'll start

Mine is hollow serenity and canary calls

[unborn latch]

Hmmm

Canary calls is very tough to beat

[chilly tulip]

Elves are F tier for literally causing the apocalypse in Wynn

The Dern Beast was already a problem with the whole SE, but Wynn was doing fine until the portal, which led to the corruption and of course Bakal

So yeah Elves should be at the bottom of the species tier list for helping cause the end of the world

[eternal helm]

Hollow serenity is the best quest

the secret discovery that connects to it too is chefs kiss

[night shale]

Oh no I’m power scaling the race as a whole

This is a power tier list

[chilly tulip]

Ah

Besides Ari we don’t see the elves do that much right?

[candid solar]

One thousand meters under i loved the vibe

i wish there was a game out of that quest

[chilly tulip]

A Journey Beyond is cool, a group of experienced adventurers who are some of the best of the best take on a quest to find and explore a sealed off area, only to be picked off one by one by a landscape of Eldritch horrors

Would be cooler if we had more connections to the other members of the group besides Aledar, but maybe CT could do something to update previous quests to have the other members

But Canary Calls and Hollow Serenity are my favorites. I like Breaking Point for making it feel like the player has an impact of the world because of past quests, I like the idea of Fantastic Voyage as a preview for SE stuff although the gameplay could maybe be changed a bit, I like the potential of An Iron Heart and wish other quests had moments where we could have a more definite impact of the events

[vestal rivet]

do we know what the Crystallines are in lore or are they just a gameplay thing

[chilly tulip]

Wdym?

[vestal rivet]

the Crystallines from NoL bossfight

[chilly tulip]

I think it’s just gameplay

They’re probably just light magic stuff Oprhion can do

[digital swan]

plus it has so many broken bits that I can use "trying out some techinques to bypass bugs" to hide shady activities

[digital swan]

they could swap out Lucio for Linton and then we have all 3

Linton is as much of a dumbass who wants to blow up everything so it wouldn't be too much of a difference

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like we are too quick to call each character being replacable or not due to little time CT have to put them on display

I dont think Linton should be involve in SE storyline as he feel more like lesser scale character than involve something lik SE

and also AJB cast are all experienced adventurers

which is not who Linton is, he just the guy who doing his job

[digital swan]

I mean when we meet Linton he's clearly training up

meanwhile Lucio just appears outta nowhere

and dies instantly

[hybrid gazelle]

he just get different job

wtf you mean

oh

Why would he train?

He demotionlist expert

His job is exploding thing

Lucio appear out of nowhere cause they don’t have the time to introduce him

Whcih can be fix as the quests get rewrite

As I say we are too quick to judge if specific characters should be replacing with another or not

[digital swan]

pretty good for blowing a tunnel to an unexplored mountainous land

...which is actually the only important thing lucio ever does

[hybrid gazelle]

He literally quit his work after seeing humanoid cows

This is not his line of work

Idk how to stretch it for you, so far we don’t know if specific character can be replaceable or not

And gotta take into account that some of these character also likes by someone

[drifting aurora]

lucio is not replaceable sorry

'sides, he fills a very different character niche to linton

those two are not especially interchangeable

[jagged turret]

is the death in the tower of ascension the wife of death in the beyond the grave quest?

[regal spire]

Ik this is private, but will Lucio be given their own, original quest, or will they appear in a remade quest? Or will they only appear in AJB

[drifting aurora]

he'll show up elsewhere

[warm adder]

lucio kinda feels thrown in there

same with elphaba

[drifting aurora]

i think the characters are solid conceptually, they just need to be better integrated

which is already in the plans to be clear

[regal spire]

I’d really like for specific story relevant characters to make first time appearances in towns/locations depending on what quests are done and the intended path you’ll take

[warm adder]

Yeah

also

after recover the past

tasim kinda jsut disappears
like

[regal spire]

They don’t even need to be quest locked; just seeing them in town for a bit is potential enough

[drifting aurora]

tasim will get appearances in gavel too

[warm adder]

he says hes gone to gavel but

[drifting aurora]

just. frum

[warm adder]

frumer!
!

[drifting aurora]

yknow how it is

[warm adder]

at least an easter egg i was kinda hoping for that

[regal spire]

Only 4 days left until fruma trailer reveal date

[digital swan]

but if we meet tasim in gavel we have to kill him

[warm adder]

what

[warm adder]

wait waht

wju

why

[digital swan]

and then we can't have tasimcart in fruma