📚lore_discussion

[dim plover]

Fanmade don’t worry about it

Also my phrasing implies that I was the one who made it

(That and I get the sense Wynncraft really doesn’t like no mouth skins)

[regal spire]

Why she so chill like that

[dim plover]

(While I do)

[regal spire]

I like it

[dim plover]

She can’t really care less about the current situation

If you look closely at all the Sovereigns in the original cutscene gif you can see that Candara is the last one to turn her head to face the Inquisitor when he started shouting

[regal spire]

Wonder what she’s thinking about, before hand

“This is lame” or practically dozing off

[dim plover]

https://i.imgur.com/wyjwPIt.gif

Probably thinking that the whole thing is boring

She’s probs older than all of them combined (ignoring Qira being the Queen here) so there’s a lot of things that bore her

(Close up of the others)

The intention to make them based off of the Wynncraft elements wasn’t actually planned initially

But Ebrima was supposed to have the candles floating above his head, I did always plan to add that

And then I was trying to figure out what aesthetic to give Tahoma and figured blue was a nice contrast to the others

And then I realized that I made Calibri rule over the Auburn Woodlands area which makes her kinda earth-ly

[shut hornet]

all the fruma lore and worldbuilding is such base knowledge for me that its really weird seeing you guys make predictions like these and also really hard to keep my mouth shut and not leak by accident

[dim plover]

And then I was like “wait a minute I can make them based off of the elements”

[vapid night]

is this new?

[dim plover]

Fanmade

[digital swan]

Qira as queen is funny though

[vapid night]

oh thats very cool

[digital swan]

just make sure that we get to kill her this time

[shut hornet]

like for me it's all just Part Of Wynn

[dim plover]

Tbh I’m not even making predictions

It’s just how I would write Fruma

[slim belfry]

what the heck am I watching

what is this made in

[digital swan]

I assume we do kill all these guys, right

[vapid night]

i hope we can learn more about dern in the fruma update

[dim plover]

For one thing, I go hard on the Asian aesthetic

When I know for a fact that Wynncraft ain’t going to do another Sakura Dojo on an entire province lmao

[dim plover]

Minecraft

I might have some correct guesses on where certain stuff is on the map compared to Wynncraft’s actual map but let’s be honest that one’s really easy to guess

Asides from that everything else I’ve added into the Fake Fruma is 100% baseless of actual Wynncraft content and just fully my own creation

Oh wait I guess except for Sohso

[shut hornet]

just you wait til you see The Sensei, a sovereign who wears one of those conical straw hats and has a white wispy beard and he can do kung fu and drinks tea. hes also sensei miyagi's cousin

[dim plover]

But Sohso being in Fruma is a common guess anyway

[dim plover]

Something something long before time had a name

[vapid night]

interesting

[slim belfry]

sohso is dead I killed him

[vapid night]

whos sohso

[dim plover]

Literally the only reason this Sovereign was missing was because I couldn’t finish their model in time

It’s supposed to be the one that appears in the official Wynncraft teaser for the sixth sovereign

The one with the high shoes

But I just decided to slap on the spear to signify “oh this one’s the militaristic/ combative Sovereign”

They appear in the funny spooky ghost quest but I wanted them to permanently wear a knight helmet for whenever their face is on-screen (for the forums post) because I didn’t want to make their face

[shut hornet]

please make their face

[dim plover]

Idk it’s the only Sovereign I copied from Wynncraft content so it didn’t feel right to give them a confirmed face for some reason

That and if I gave them a mouth it’s going to make them stand out from the others

I still don’t like the mouth skins >:(

It makes them so… neutral in expression

(The common large eyes Minecraft skin face type I use is more of “ambiguious” rather than “neutral”)

The mouth adds a lot to their expression

[shut hornet]

well the thing is that characters may need to be displayed with a wide variety of emotions, so its best to give them a nonspecific expression

it is a shame minecraft doesnt really allow us to like. edit the character's faces in real time to show emotion. that would be cool to do

[dim plover]

Those with custom models can though

Just do a Colossus eyes

I guess a model that small might make the face parts clip back into the head but I would assume all the parts are perfectly in-sync

[shut hornet]

we can but its quite difficult to make custom model players move like an actual player model

[dim plover]

Just give them their own walking animation

[shut hornet]

makes them unappealing to me

[dim plover]

That’s what I did

[digital swan]

on the other hand, does this mean we never need to tell her to shut up

[dim plover]

Candara?

Sorry but she’s going to be really obnoxious

[quartz mist]

arent calibri and tahoma the names of fonts

[unique jungle]

calibri is

tahoma idk

[digital swan]

better than devs names backwards tbh

[dim plover]

They're all fonts lmao

I'm uncreative

Calibri, Ebrima, Tahoma, Candara and Verdana

[quartz mist]

thats what i thought. i saw those two and was just like "waaaait a second"

havent seen ebrima and candara but i know verdana

[dim plover]

The only Sovereign whose name isn't a font is the Inquisitor
Because I didn't give him a name

I would give them vaguely Asian-sounding names but tbh this is funnier

[vestal rivet]

just don't name any sans or papyrus

[dim plover]

Me when I finally enter Fruma and find out the entire empire is ruled by literal Microsoft Fonts

[vestal rivet]

Clippy, Clipper of Fates

[dim plover]

[vestal rivet]

dangit you had one thing that wasn't your job

[dim plover]

?

(I don't understand that message)

[vestal rivet]

play on a play on words
("you had one job!" to refer to something you didn't do)

[dim plover]

I get that one but I think I was thrown off by the inversion

[digital swan]

but this means that you don't get to kill qira.

[digital swan]

.

[dim plover]

@digital swan Anyways I haven't actually written any dialogue for Candara yet but that's because I'm not really confident in that at the moment. I'll lock in when I ever get to writing her quest

In the meantime here's a conversation where I write a relatively short descriptor for her

I feel like you can tell what her vibe is from her non-Royal outfit overworld sprite

(Disclaimer I did not make the skin)

If I ever actually like, publish a playable map then all the skins will either be made by me or commissioned

Until then have funny PMC and NameMC assets

[digital swan]

Good!

So only one more to go then

One from wynn

[dim plover]

Wait wdym by this

[digital swan]

in the gif qira was the queen

[dim plover]

Yeah

But why do we want to kill her

[digital swan]

arachnophobia, mostly

[dim plover]

oh ok

(Not sure if you saw the original thread but Qira is an allied party in the story)

I figured that it was a nice change from player expectations (and also a more interesting plot) if the Queen wasn't generic evil ruler

(Instead we have generic evil only second-in-command to ruler!!!)

Ok but seriously though I feel like the Inquisitor (or at least my version of it) has a lot of potential to be an interesting villain

The player's already in endgame and the Inquisitor at the end of the day is just some human with magic, but what separates him from the rest of the antagonists in the game is how personal his character is intertwined with ours

As in, the Inquisitor is pretty much the sole individual responsible for setting off our own story

And is also pretty much the only villain in the game (that I can remember atm) who is already familiar with the player before we even meet him

Because he is the only one we've met before we meet him

As in, before the player meets him rather than the player character in-universe

So he already has a pre-set personal vendetta against us specifically

That and he can perfectly reasonably scale to the player's level in terms of dealing with us not because he is stronger than us in raw combat, but because he can control us specifically

Like, the whole amnesia thing being his creation and all

So he's not powerful combat-wise but he is a really big threat to us solely because we were one of the people still tied to his magic

That and he has direct history with the player's origins, not a lot of other characters we've gone against can say that

[digital swan]

yeah thats why I said we don't get to kill Qira

[dim plover]

Mhm

[digital swan]

I mean there's only one thing I'm really looking for in Fruma

[dim plover]

I guess if I had to make an external comparison it would be like Po and Shen from the second Kung-Fu Panda movie (I don't watch a lot of movies this is the best you get)

They're intertwined with each other solely because Shen is directly responsible for kicking off Po's origins

[digital swan]

• Tasim Cart

[digital swan]

I. have never watched that

wikipedia time

[dim plover]

Watch the schafrillas review on it

(It's better viewing experience)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQMXBjj7waQ

[dim plover]

Too bad you get more Aledar

[digital swan]

ohhhhh ok

[digital swan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1077047400939667517/1450263518468116570/attachment.png?ex=69472ca7&is=6945db27&hm=837999f3702a68f4c309b4454dff23afb43e2a3967107d958fc37af62932feed&

[slim belfry]

this is beautiful

[digital swan]

Aletrain is also beautiful btw

[warm flicker]

gangskart vs fool eater who wins

[vestal rivet]

Aledar but as a trickster AND a truck driver

[slender copper]

Who are they running over in thie case?

[digital swan]

level 1010 vs level whatever no contest

[spiral knoll]

The eye

[exotic yew]

I'm coming your fooleating ass ~aledar probably

[sacred cedar]

So, is it 1025 AP now or is it still 1000 AP?

and does Wynn follow the gregorian calendar? Are the months and days called the same?

[hybrid gazelle]

Still 1000 AP

In breaking point, it dated to be 1000 AP

[sacred cedar]

Thank you!

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure days still being used so like

But idk about months lol

Also Wynn follow its own calendar

Which is before portal and after portal

[dim plover]

Why 1025 specifically

Wynncraft wasn’t released on 2000

[sacred cedar]

Right, that's my bad, it would be more 1007? I saw a post on the forum back in 2018 stating it was 1000AP. Now If we take the year Wynncraft launched as 1000AP, which was 2013, then it should be 1012 AP?

So like all over the place

[hybrid gazelle]

just like other media, time in wynncraft do not move along with real life

[sacred cedar]

Yeah, just wanted to confirm that

[swift niche]

I remember that The Eye is someone's "old friend" , but i don't remember who said that and which quest is it from

Can someone help me remember?

[hybrid gazelle]

Huh

Do you mean Bob

I think you mistake Bob for The eye

Cause in fantastic voyage, the captain imply Bob to be his old friend

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah cause thst the eye

I don’t get what you mean

You and Relend literally about to enter Dern so the eye appear

Idk what this hint the eye to be someone old friend

[lunar jungle]

Is loot running canon in lore or is it purely gameplay

[digital swan]

silverbull is presumably canon

so lootruns are probably canon

as are silverbull officials at raids

which also probably makes the key collectors outside dungeons canon

which means that the most powerful single being in the Wynncraft universe is the Key Collector

[vapid night]

i wonder what happened to the whole light and dark elements that happened in a journey beyond (i think thats what the quest was called)

[quartz mist]

no one in the team particularly agreed with the decision because of how many plot holes they opened up

[digital swan]

dark powder 6 when

[dim plover]

Fix the plot hole by doubling down and introducing the Corruption Element

[digital swan]

Meanwhile fableds can cry in the corner?

[vapid night]

is the quest not entirely canon then?

[quartz mist]

no its just a plot hole

[regal spire]

I’m assuming this was made in 1.19, which would mean there were no fabled weapons yet

[slim belfry]

it's funny to imagine that after the protag reaches lutho a bunch of people started scrambling to get into the SE

same with EO opening up and a bunch of them rushing in to set up shop and service

[dim plover]

The post was made in 2023
https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/the-lair-of-death-raid-idea.308843/

[regal spire]

Oh my suggestion 🔥 👹 🔥

[dim plover]

Wait it’s yours?

[regal spire]

No

I’m not that creative

It’s just a really really big suggestion post

[digital swan]

I am once again suggesting a Skien's Island Dungeon in order to make Skien's Island more important because it has cool lore which nobody cares about because it's hard to find

I'd just like to say that Skien's Island is only really used for a level 75 and a level 80 quest right now

so why not buff skien's island to level 75 and make Skien's Labyrinth a dungeon with an associated quest

a quest about the fact that Skien's army has recently started to attack ships again

This way besides corrupted dungeons

we would now have a dungeon approximately every 5 levels plus timelost sanctum

[chilly tulip]

Could we also have a dungeon/raid for Dullahan?

[digital swan]

(
Decrepit Sewers, lvl ~5
Infested Pit, lvl ~15
Timelost Sanctum, lvl ~25
Sand Swept Tomb, lvl ~35
Ice Barrows, lvl ~45
Undergrowth Ruins, lvl ~55
Galleon's Graveyard, lvl ~65
*Skien's Castle, lvl ~75
*The Clock Dungeon, lvl ~85
Fallen Factory, lvl ~95
and
Eldritch Outlook, lvl ~105
)

[chilly tulip]

It feels like Dullahans area could’ve been a dungeon and now that we know it was originally a raid it feels like missed potential

[digital swan]

it'll prob be a quest area of RoD questline

since Lari was sent to Dern we assume

when we go there and get her we can maybe make her open Dullahan's door

[chilly tulip]

I thought the SE loot running was set up without Silverbulls knowledge? When you ask about the SE camp at HQ they don’t know about it

[slim belfry]

EO is eldritch outlook

[chilly tulip]

My bad meant SE

Wouldn’t it be the case for both then?

[slim belfry]

I'd say loot running camp is the only confirmed exception

[chilly tulip]

Maybe the merchants could all be lutho citizen esque?

Like they look all soulless

[slim belfry]

there are lutho citizen merchants I think but how the heck would they sell stuff

[chilly tulip]

Hm

Good question

[regal spire]

You forgot one

[chilly tulip]

Unless I’m wrong aren’t the merchants at the NoL raid like white particles of light? Maybe something like that?

[digital swan]

it doesn't fit the pattern

or well actually it fits the pattern better than Underworld Crypt

but

it doesn't have a quest yet

DQED!

[regal spire]

Banned for 6 months

IG TLS falls into a separate category of “optional” story dungeons, imo

But GG hits that criteria, too, and a bit of SST

[chilly tulip]

Wait doesn’t the clock dungeon no longer exist?

[digital swan]

but the clocks still do

[chilly tulip]

Yeah

[digital swan]

I think it should get readded as a dungeon

[chilly tulip]

Ah gotcha

That would be cool

Put it in Gavel so it finally has a dungeon

[digital swan]

shmeg should I write a thing for a Skien's Castle and a The Clock Dungeon remake

a uh

what's it called

[chilly tulip]

A manifesto?

[digital swan]

the Capitalist Manifesto

[chilly tulip]

If you added Skiens would it then have to be the next corrupted dungeon?

Because the next one looks like a corrupted FF based on the Forgery platform

[digital swan]

yeah

[chilly tulip]

Also on that same note is a corrupted EO even possible lore wise?

[digital swan]

I mean EO is already Dark

so it would take either a very powerful corrupted being to corrupt the Eye

OR

an extremely powerful Light being to cause corruption to form between it and the darkness

so the only two known beings of that power are

• Orphion himself, but that would corrupt Orphion too

and

• The Villager brothers, who are currently the single most knowledgable people on the meteors, and would be able to tap into the extreme power of the combined meteors dotting the Silent Expanse

[chilly tulip]

lol imagine it’s “corrupted” in that everyone there is just really nice. Like it’s all sunshine and rainbows and the “corrupted” Eye is just chilling

[digital swan]

as in Yahya, Nohno, and Mehme

[chilly tulip]

For all we know the Wybels are the strongest beings in existence

[digital swan]

the only issue is that a version of Yahya, Nohno, and Mehme corrupted and with access to meteoric powers would be by far the strongest beings in the Wynncraft universe

and in any case, the Eye would retain its sentience if corrupted

due to its strength

so if there was a Corrupted Eldritch Outlook dungeon I'd guess the plot would be a weakened Corrupted Eye asking You for help to defeat the Corrupted Villager brothers

and even then you'd need help

I'd guess that maybe
You + Qira + The Orange Wybel might be enough?

as long as the Orange Wybel could afford constant airstrikes from UFWs

[chilly tulip]

Dr Legendary too?

[digital swan]

nah prob not necessary

plus, you'd have to choose between Qira and Dr Legendary

Dr. Legendary has powerful minions, but it takes him a while to make them presumably and he probably couldn't bring them to the Silent Expanse

Qira already knows about Dern and the Darkness, and can just churn out spiders and things

[digital swan]

and can summon as many Rowdy Wybels as needed.

But, he has UFWs. He can probably just make a helicopter-like vehicle and strap a few Wybels to it

pretty much helicopter cavalry, actually

Yeah, I think Qira and The Orange Wybel is our best bet

The Orange Wybel might be hard to convince to come over, but he's smart, he wouldn't want beings of incredible power to threaten the Wynncraft world

also, I bet we can convince the Eye to give him some of the emeralds from the Abandoned Mines to fund his experiments

[warm adder]

bob vs bakal

is there any wynncraft god or are all the bovemists just

atheists

[quartz mist]

I still maintain there is a dullahan raid-shaped hole in our dullahan raid-shaped progression

for instance, consider that grootslang drops both weapon tomes AND armor tomes, while orphion/nameless only drop weapon tomes and colossus only drops armor tomes.

hm, almost feels like there should be a raid between grootslang and orphion that should subsume the armor tomes into it, huh

so that way it alternates

[chilly tulip]

Imagine if it was unlocked after RoL 5

And Dullahan found out from us that Lari got yeeted away

That would be funny

From a progression standpoint it doesn’t make sense

But it would still be funny

But yeah a raid that would unlock after RoL III would be good for progression because it’s in between NoG and NoL

[bleak torrent]

3 raids linked to RoL lol

[hybrid gazelle]

3 raid link to rol is definitely a choice

Tbh I always heavily against Dullahan raid to become a thing befause he as character should help progress Lari character

Cause if you remove that from him, he just end up as another bad guy for player to took down and nothing more

I feel like Dullahan raid just overall bad idea

[clever quartz]

What if the dimension Slykaar entered is Dern realm

just a random theory

[hybrid gazelle]

Trying to make Dullahan relevant post rol just pointless because you essentially just trying to give him purpose when his previous supposed role just way suited him better

That why I don’t really lien forbidden prison quest

Like at this point just heavily remake rol into something and just make Dullahan more important character Therr

Instead of shoving him aside in rol and then make him important again for some reason

Trying to make Dullahan the player problem for them to defeat just feel like turning him into another bad guy rather than setting him up to progress Lari character

And Therr just a lot of way you can have Dullahan play more role into ROL

Like explore Lari character by having her interact with him more

Making him this narrative manifestation of Lari past and regret

There just a lot of thing you can do more with Dullahan during in rol rather than post rol

That I feel like shoving him aside until post rol just cutting off his potential for a lesser role

Aka being another raid boss that just player to beat

Dullahan should be a problem thst Lari dealt with herself

And reach her character development from it

Not just “oh here the character that heavily related to another but you have to kill them”

[chilly tulip]

Do you guys think the Mysterious Egg from The Heart of the Decay will ever do anything?

Or is it just a cool trophy item

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably at some point in far future

[bleak torrent]

When they release dern it will be a beginning to the secret dern parenting arc

[dim plover]

I can’t believe we will get an option to marry Dern Beast

(DB is inclined to leave you alive instead because of how good care you’ve been taking the egg)

[tacit pier]

Calling it now, people are gonna romance the dern beast

[hybrid gazelle]

people already romance Orphion and other character

it not that surpirsing

[tacit pier]

Stealing that lmfao

[slender copper]

Why do the beasts have access to social media 😭?

[spring kernel]

Making up half of reality gets tiring

[tacit pier]

Ok, but as a concept, how hilarious would it be for Otherworldly monstrosities to get bored of their own creations so they just "visit" other planes of reality to indulge in things they never could have dreamed of, and just enjoy the experience

[tacit pier]

Idk what this means Selvut 😭

[quartz mist]

[pallid rain]

omg is that Joshua from TWEWY???/

[quartz mist]

relevant to the above bit of otherworldly entities getting bored and skipping dimensions to see new things

but yes

[warm flicker]

what are Maxie and Ava up to post-feathers fly questline? They seem to be working on some sort of project but we barely get any clues about what it is. The Avos Chief says they're "hunting" something, and Ava brings up finding something while searching in a scrap metal pile, also saying they will show us, the player, what they have been working on.

Question is, what is this project? Are they making a giant mech? Whatever it is they need parts for it and they are far from completing it

[hybrid gazelle]

consider maxie making back scratcher with claw

it probably just some random project they working on

[slim belfry]

giant mecha to fist fight the dern beast

[solid fable]

i think they are up to shenanigans

[molten escarp]

new corkus raid fight the earthmover or something
real and true

[vestal rivet]

antikythera comes back in a cyborg body and we have to fight her on a timer or else Corkus gets nuked

[dim plover]

Sounds familiar

[vestal rivet]

no idea what that is

[dim plover]

Fanmade don’t worry about it

But yeah that description almost perfectly matches the plot I wrote for my WynnEx rewrite

[vestal rivet]

just recreate the Taniks DST fight lol

[hushed comet]

There are certain individuals who want a more "prettier" skin for Antikythera so perhaps it is for the best that she stays a giant monitor screen

Fallen factory does probably need some sort of rework albeit for sucking ass to rerun

[regal spire]

Ik someone who’d love to talk about the type of cyborg it would look like

[vestal rivet]

idk how I didn't expect for people to want that kind of thing

my faith in humanity drops by 1%

[regal spire]

Wynncord ball knowledge

[slim belfry]

to be fair antikythera does have a body you fight during the last phase

[cerulean osprey]

ye

[regal spire]

This poses the question of why Cerid thought to make the cores tiny lil mechs

[vestal rivet]

who is Cerid anyhow

[regal spire]

The guy who made everything

[vestal rivet]

I know a random pair of like lvl45 boots references this guy

[vestal rivet]

how descriptive

[regal spire]

Corkus’ factory maker

Basically did everything

He’s mentioned in FF, and outside of it as well

[vestal rivet]

then why tf is he referenced in the name of a random pair of boots that only comes from Ice Barrows reward raid???

[regal spire]

Lemme see this

[vestal rivet]

Cerid's Ingenuity

[regal spire]

That’s not an IB exclusive?

Unless it is, actually, Idr

[vestal rivet]

everything I could find online said it only came from the reward rain of Ice Barrows specifically

[regal spire]

Lemme look this up rq

[vestal rivet]

not even guaranteed or anything

just the only source

[regal spire]

Wtf

Nvm, why is it there

[vestal rivet]

that's what I was thinking when I found out this exists

[regal spire]

It’s a forgery chest reward too wtf

Get that item out of there, it makes zero sense

[vestal rivet]

I was looking for items to use on my trickster build while leveling and came across it on wynnbuilder
then I searched the tm and there was none
then I looked up how I could get it and was like wtf

[regal spire]

Ig run IB and potentially profit

[vestal rivet]

being the only seller lets me dictate pricing >:)

[cold cove]

I feel like a lot of obscure characters have items locked behind the forgery

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure that only place they could go beside random drop in chest

[clever quartz]

Did Slykaar happen to stumble upon Dern Realm

He said smth about "a dark god" and other stuff about "dark"

[hybrid gazelle]

consider the age of Slykaar quest it likely he refer to Dern Beast but OLDER version of Dern Beast

so take it with grain of salt

[clever quartz]

What's difference between versions

[hybrid gazelle]

because we have no idea if this will hold up when CT get to update jungle area

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly have 0 idea but I guess it probably during that time when dern and stuff are not finalize

cause jungle is very very outdated area

[clever quartz]

oh yeah that's true

[hybrid gazelle]

like literally

take everything in the jungle with grain of salt

TBH I said it wrong I meant to refer as like

it probably just some stuff htey though was cool at the moment but when the lore get updated and stuff, it probablyn ot line up anymore

[silver path]

from the logs in the OST videos, you can see logs that tell you that canonically all the classes got a mythic from a lootrun except for assassin, who thought that ||the silent expanse|| was playing tricks on him. Also a bird took mage's mythic, and the archer is probably going to develop a gambling addiction.

[digital swan]

attaching a wand to a crossbow so if you hold the trigger to fire instead of having to reload, draw the bow back, and fire it just uses magic to regenerate the arrow and fire it at speeds that make considering the arc largely unnecessary

little do they know, Rymek Luke beat them to it

Rymek Luke also beat the Corkians to discovering nuclear fission

nuclear fusion

and electromagic

if Rymek Luke was in favor of it, he could make the world reach Space Age technology, at least

However, Rymek Luke is a good bandit, he knows doing that risks harming tons of people, so he doesn't

[regal spire]

Send this, please, I’ve never seen what you’re referencing and want to see it

[slim belfry]

only now discovering that the new tracks are finally being uploaded

also community artist album covers????

this is awesome

oh wait the logs

[slim belfry]

I can't find a fifth one

[regal spire]

I had zero clue there were this many secret logs in all of the OST descriptions

I’m looking through every song, now, just to see what’s written

[primal mauve]

does this imply that they canonically found mythics

[slim belfry]

seems that everyone except maybe warrior found one

also what's the robotic servant warrior's talking about

[chilly tulip]

Probably a pet

[digital swan]

WYNNSTON

[slim belfry]

true!

[silver path]

you had the same reaction as me lmao

[slim belfry]

warrior adopting a new wynnston after having to destroy the prototype only to have that one also be destroyed

[silver path]

yes

[silver path]

there's only 4 lootruns, shaman is kinda the middle child of ost logs

ik theres a single one for nivla woods

probably another one or two but I'm not aware of it

[slim belfry]

there's 5 lootrun camps

[silver path]

oh really?

oh wait yeah there is

[digital swan]

4 and one secret

[slim belfry]

the missing one is shaman at molten heights

[digital swan]

most people forget one

I've never seen someone list out all 5

[silver path]

the wiki doesnt say canyon of the lost, but the ost misses molten heights

[digital swan]

wiki says but fandom is outdated

btw are you hyped for CoTL Nord

[slim belfry]

USE WIKI GG

[silver path]

alr

[slim belfry]

will keep reminding people as an editor for several wikis that migrated

[digital swan]

I mean wiki gg is outdated as well

the majority of the content dates back to 1.20, 2.0, &c

the worst is Aldorei all the pages for the entire Aldorei region except the quest pages refer to Legolus, Elrund, and Togak's dungeon

[slim belfry]

it has many outdated parts yes but not as much as fandom

I started editing on wynn's today so this is a good start

if you have any other notable ones or a list I could help and tell others

[digital swan]

are you sure about that

[digital swan]

uhh the Gert Meat Factory

[slim belfry]

what point are you making

doesn't change that wiki gg has editors to fix new information while fandom has more outdated information to due said lack of editors

all of the outdated stuff would've been carried over from fandom

but not saying it's good either, I wish there was more activity to fix things

[hybrid gazelle]

I attempt to try to layout how main story wynncraft could go

But this is so far what I got

Troms stuff will be very difficult due to weird leveling

I feel like mid game area really need big overhaul on player progression

It not good for story or even gameplay

Player constant shift between two completely different location on opposite side of each other

[slim belfry]

it'd be nice if there was something like kandon beda and corkus city fast travel between two far areas of similar level ranges

[dim plover]

Do you have an example

That isn’t Lutho

[candid solar]

theres a browser extension that blocks fandom!

[silver path]

im installing that

[candid solar]

i found it from the minecraft wiki

if you go there u can probably too

[digital swan]

that I really don't want to give you a list of outdated parts

because otherwise I'm gonna be here for a week

[digital swan]

yeah

Currently Olux, Gelibord, Lexdale, Lutho, Lusuco, Rymek, Bremminglar, and arguably Relos have no fast travel connection

also, you can only connect from the Cinfras area network to the Seaskipper network and not vice versa

because the only connection is Ahmsord from Juggler to KdB balloon

[dim plover]

Does Olux and Lexdale need fast travel

We don’t even go there for anything after their respective quest groups and they’re on really along main player travel routes either

Only thing going for for Olux is that it’s beside NoTG

[digital swan]

Olux has some world events but it is a bit far from Llevigar at level

[dim plover]

(Also no one ever visits Lexdale lol)
I got there for the witch quest and that’s it

[digital swan]

A fast travel to NoTG might be good maybe a fast travel through Grootslang Tunnels

[dim plover]

What other purpose does it have

[dim plover]

Do we need a fast travel to raids

I thought pfinder tps us

[hybrid gazelle]

It hard to do this because Troms quests actually appearing throughout your way through gavel

So you not switch between 2 location

You kinda go from llevigar to Troms/nessak

And then olux to Troms

Mid game js like a chaotic mess

[slim belfry]

dude yesterday I was playing catch up on my maxed character and the level + distance on the different quests made me go insane

[digital swan]

My guess is
Troms to Cinfras maybe at Letvus
Efilim/Gelibord (they're honestly connected) to something else? Maybe a rail line from Karoc Quarry
and finally
Rymek to Almuj or something

a bandit tunnel maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

The mid fsme desperately need level rearrangement

Like

I feel like that only way to fix it

Both gameplay and story

[slim belfry]

yeah tundra to jungle then to gavel would've been an awesome thematic transition

[digital swan]

Honestly the Llevigar-Karoc Quarry rail line is kinda underused

[dim plover]

The what

[slim belfry]

there's a direct passage to karoc from llevigar

pretty sure a quest introduces it

[digital swan]

I think that maybe a Llevigar-Karoc Quarry subway, and then doing the Karoc Quarry quest allows workers to fix a break in the line farther down that allows access to Bucie, then doing Shattered Minds opens rail to Efilim, and once you get Fallen Delivery you have rail from Llevigar to Cinfras

[digital swan]

the only quest that uses it is ???

the entrance is hidden inside a building in the corner with no signage

so I'm guessing most people don't know about it

[slim belfry]

gosh how tf did I remember it I barely even remember ???

[digital swan]

but I think a Llevigar-Karoc-Bucie?-Efilim-Cinfras line would be beneficial

[digital swan]

the only quest that uses it is this from ???

I think what might be good is a clear sign for Llevigar Subway at the University and then make it a passenger line

otherwise nobody will see it except on the other side

So my proposals are:
Railway line: Llevigar to Efilim to Cinfras (which also covers Gelibord because Efilim and Gelibord are walking distance)
Move the Corkus network terminal for Relos to Relos proper and the terminal for the statue to Corkus City proper as well as adding signage to the camp that shows where each line goes to because I once spent 10 minutes trying to go from Relos to Corkus city and visited literally all the other terminals

then

a airship from Troms to Cinfras

a tunnel from Rymek to a bandit camp near Almuj

yeah that sounds good

@slim belfry any others you think we need

[slim belfry]

don't think so

[digital swan]

found it

wait

huh

I guess a Cinfras-Troms connection is a little redundant then

because a Cinfras-Detlas-Ragni-Troms connection is possible

how about Llevigar-Troms instead

Kinda sad that Llevigar, one of the richest cities in Gavel, lacks air transport

oh well

[dim plover]

Would be cool if there was an actual railway system in Corkus

[digital swan]

Pipelines are good enough I think

and we already know that you don't really need to be super technologically advanced to use rails because Karoc Quarry rails

Wynn could probably also have rail lines if it wasn't wartime

[dim plover]

Ok but traveling by tram (still a tp) feels cooler than traveling by copper maintenance pipes

[quartz mist]

man, who the hey put THIS in dullahan's castle

[dim plover]

What does it say

It’s too dark for me to read

[zenith vigil]

“Barrel of Femboy Elf Pictures”

[dim plover]

Thanks

[dim plover]

I know there’s probably text there but I legit just see a solid black square

I’m on max brightness and indoors

[quartz mist]

what the heck

you need a new monitor

it's a barrel of nemract whiskey

[dim plover]

I think I just have terrible eyesight when it comes to dark objects

This has happened before

When Void Valley’s new void holes were added I thought the blue roots outside were the outline of the portal because I couldn’t see anything but black beyond them

Also wait what’s wrong with Nemract Whiskey in Dullahan’s Castle

[zenith vigil]

dullahan is an elf and they die if they drink alcohol

it was like a big plot point

in rol 4

[digital swan]

where was this whar

[zenith vigil]

it was in one of the cutscenes

the flashback ones

[digital swan]

ok here's my proposal

red is new or changed

[zenith vigil]

lari was off doing something and dullahan tried to drink away his woes but it killed him instead because elves are allergic to alcohol

so she tried to revive him at the lazarus pit

but he came back wrong and now his spirit lives in the castle

sealed away

maybe that was rol 3 i forget which one is which

[digital swan]

this was edited

no longer the RoL 3 plot

[zenith vigil]

was it?

[digital swan]

now Dullahan gets arrested and executed

[zenith vigil]

i haven’t done the questline in a bit so idk

[zenith vigil]

thats so much better for laris character development

idk what they were thinking

with the old plot line

[digital swan]

the old plot line wasn't even referring to elves what

the old plot line was Mr Dullahan the evil human

who Also got executed

[zenith vigil]

No he was definitely an elf

[digital swan]

???: Hundreds of years ago, this mansion once belonged to Mr. Dullahan. A terrible man who used the men of the forest to work for him, for next to no pay.
???: If someone disobeyed him, they would be dragged down here, and tortured so much, the entire forest could hear. He ruled through fear.
???: One by one the working men were taken to what became known as the Dullahan's pit. None of the people were ever seen again. That is, until we escaped.
???: We executed Mr. Dullahan, but when the forest started to decay, he returned, even more powerful than before. He recaptured us and to this day our souls linger by his curse. You must destroy our chains! Free us!

pretty sure that was the dialogue of the previous version

[zenith vigil]

Yeah that doesn’t sound familiar

[digital swan]

this would be when the quest was called "The Headless Hunt"

[zenith vigil]

maybe you have the wrong quest

[digital swan]

one second lemme find a nerd to check

@dim plover yo

I think the issue is supposed to be that the correct drink for Western Gavel is Llevigar Pinot, not Nemract Whiskey

[zenith vigil]

no i swear it used to be an alcoholism thing

where dullahan drank himself to death on accident

[quartz mist]

Dullahan died in like 820 AP

and he was sealed shortly after

[zenith vigil]

was that before they knew how to ferment things

[quartz mist]

how would he have nemract whiskey in his castle if he was locked away before the oceans were calmed

and therefore, before nemract whiskey became available in gavel

[digital swan]

he got it more recently?

[zenith vigil]

that would explain why the elves didn’t have any resistance to it

[quartz mist]

he's sealed in the castle

he can't leave

[digital swan]

he has connections

[zenith vigil]

on one of his seafaring expeditions yeah

[quartz mist]

and his ghosts are limited to the region

[quartz mist]

nope

[zenith vigil]

he was friends with the seaskipper so its possible

[digital swan]

that's Herbert von Loser

[zenith vigil]

It says so in that one dialogue

[digital swan]

Seaskipper says he's friends with Herb never Dullahan I think

[quartz mist]

they're being a troll

[zenith vigil]

who even are you Selvut Two Eight Three

[digital swan]

Seaskipper's only known friends are Bob, Herb, the Player, Siegfried, Siegfried, Siegfried, Siegfried, Salted, NOT SELVUT, Yahya, Mayor Eoric, the King of Ragni, Pope John Paul XII, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Mario, Luigi, and Mussolini

which Luigi is up for interpretation

which Mario is NOT up for interpretation

[digital swan]

so was Elves being allergic to alcohol ever a plot point

[quartz mist]

nope.

[digital swan]

seeing that 90% of the elves we meet are high on Canned Abis, Hallucinogens, or whatever the fuck Amber is on, that's about what I thought

[digital swan]

oh YEAH ELVEN HERBAL BREW

that's what Amber's on right

[digital swan]

so @quartz mist would there be any lore issues with adding these connections

only thing I can see is

railway halt at efilim

if the residents are really as Walden-y and communal as they seem

oh well surely the railroad jobs will tempt them

if not, the railroad halt can be placed just close enough to be useful and just far enough for the Efilim residents to be unable to do much about it

[hybrid gazelle]

So far feeling I trying to make Troms punishment story idea work

Because that could be good way to transition to player getting out of the service

Honestly I adjust the timeline too where I make the game story pass 1-2 years

[slim belfry]

content maker

[digital swan]

the master of the realm

[dim plover]

I think Selvut is the fellow that made that one dark Shaman weapon or smth

[digital swan]

oh yeah now that I think about this still doesn't have a real counter-juggler

[dim plover]

On an unrelated note if there was an endgame character or smth made that is loosely based off of Selvut as a cool CT reference then 283 would be a really convenient and cool level to give them

[digital swan]

So far I've used LR returner as a counter juggler since it covers Thesead, Rodoroc, and Ahmsord

but that really doesn't fly

[dim plover]

I mean not like anyone has done that or anything of course

[digital swan]

what would it do

[dim plover]

I dunno

I mean

Theoretically speaking

[digital swan]

we already have junes to talk forever on history

[dim plover]

Would be a pretty cool villain that looks vaguely like Kit

But like, not really because I think Kit is a pacifist

Or smth

[digital swan]

I can't imagine Selvut evil

[dim plover]

(The rabbit in the pfp)

[digital swan]

I still can't imagine Selvut evil

[dim plover]

Same

Well,

Hm

Okay enough about that

Where were we

Dullahan

Beer

I mean Whiskey

Idk the difference

[digital swan]

would be rude to ping him and ask him to do his best evil impression

[dim plover]

Timeline checks out

[digital swan]

and in any case the liquor for western Gavel is Llevigar Pinot

not Nemract Whiskey

[dim plover]

Idk what a pinot is but I assume it’s a real thing

[digital swan]

it's a type of wine

[dim plover]

I don’t drink nor pay attention to that whole category so I know barely anything about it

[digital swan]

don't ask me I'm a teetotaler

but I think I have pinot somewhere

[dim plover]

Idk the difference between wine, beer, or alcohol

The only thing I really know about alcohol is the fact that it’s an organic compound in chemistry

[digital swan]

beer and wine both contain alcohol

specifically ethanol

[dim plover]

And like, the obvious surface-level stuff that alcohol does

Yeah

[digital swan]

but beer is fermented grains

wine is fermented fruit

also should they have boilo in Jofash docks

[violet vector]

They have ahmsford absinthe

[digital swan]

but no Boilo

boilo is the only alcoholic drink mentioned in game but not obtainable

right?

Elven drinks are obtainable but only once from Aldorei's Secret Part II

I don't remember any other dwarven drinks after Maex Pale Ale

yeah I think it's really just boilo

[digital swan]

is nemract whiskey tradable directly
I know it's not tradable on market

for that matter are any jofash drinks tradable on market

[charred wharf]

Can someone explain how the House of Twain quest is actually supposed to work? I finished it last night but the clues seemed to be misleading at best and outright useless at worst.

[chilly tulip]

What was the old lore behind the decay before the War of the Realms stuff

Like was it still caused by the parasite, and the elves still did a fuck up as well?

[hybrid gazelle]

villager was very greedy and that how decay happen

that like the old lore

[violet vector]

That was the old lore, then they switched to using lari as the big punching bag

And made it so lari looked like the main cause of the decay 💀

[slim belfry]

don't you mean dullahan

yknow the one who lost his head

[hybrid gazelle]

no they just tlaking about from community perceptive

Lari responsible for decay while partly true ignore most of the fact that someone like Orphion has been absent for the entire event and his invervention could possibly prevent everything that gone wrong from happening

while random group of miners have been assist by the Light

that literally do not provide any advantage to Orphion himself with our current information compare to actually helping Lari

[slim belfry]

when's the miner thing

[hybrid gazelle]

Lutho

[slim belfry]

OH

hmmm

yeah idk why orphion didnt speak up

something something "it's her test"

[hybrid gazelle]

it not even her test

it just Orphion did not do anything

[slim belfry]

yeah I was being sarcastic

there's no explainable excuse

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari at eleast have some form of excuse that she believe Orphion intention to giving her power to be responsible and improve the lives of everything including the Parasite

it may not be best excuse as the game itself does not provide clear reason to Lari's pacifism

it kinda did but the excution is badly done

but compare to like Orphion literally despite god-like status

fail to even assist Lari

kinda inexcusable

[slim belfry]

sometimes wish I could wait at the nexus of light and let the parasite do its thing

but yeah that wouldn't be good anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion just really pathetic character despite what he is

everything he did is literally just either non sense(due to our lack of information) or straight up self sabotage

it likely due to our lack of information and wider perspective

but it sitll like

does not really help that the currently we just view as huge fucking dumbass

even if it shift later as lore getting reveal

[chilly tulip]

If corruption is caused by the Realm of Light and Dern causing conflict in the main realm, does that mean the Orphion also has a detrimental effect when he’s in the world?

Like the Orphion seems kinda chill, but that could be because he already had the Light Forest

[slender copper]

If you're asking if Orphion can also effect things on the material plain while within the Realm of Light... that is techically correct. A good example of this effect is the Decay which created the 'Dark Forest' we see today.

[vital dagger]

the decay is caused by the light? i thought it was the dernic parasite

lights influence can also be somewhat problematic, like the taproot quest or the lutho obelisk

[slender copper]

The Decay is causes by the Parasite draining light from Orphion, his weakening caused the Decay to happen.

[chilly tulip]

Is the optimal goal to have both the Dern Beast and the Orphion not interacting with the material plane? If neither are affecting it corruption effectively stops right?

[hushed obsidian]

Corruption isn't the result of the Darkness and Light Beast interacting on the material plane it is the result of the War between the realms in general (War of the Realms btw also written on the Wynncraft logo)

[slender copper]

...where?

[hushed obsidian]

do you mean where on the Wynncraft logo?

[slender copper]

Yeah, I'm curious.

[hushed obsidian]

it's right there

War of the realms.

pretty sure that's a full stop at the end

my ancient wynnic isn't fluent

[exotic yew]

Why are we back at this again

[slender copper]

Oh I was looking at the icon 😭, that's a really cool detail!

[hushed obsidian]

I know, I am a disappointment as a content team member and I ruined your day, I am sorry

[exotic yew]

Mah man 🫂 this is also my best theory of what could be done

[hushed obsidian]

it's also been the logo since gavel so that means it's been central enough to Wynn to put it on the logo since at least then

my optimal theory is ||redacted. Who would have guessed someone with leaks can't theorize about this.||

[exotic yew]

Actually, decay is caused by light dependent entity got their light taken away

[hushed obsidian]

decay describes the withdrawal of light

not only in entities

Kander stone for example is decayed cobalt and cobalt is clearly not an entity

[exotic yew]

Well stones and soil are also entity

[hushed obsidian]

if you go that far then ig

[exotic yew]

That's literally the definition

[hushed obsidian]

where is this definition from?

[exotic yew]

Dictionary?

[hushed obsidian]

ohh definiton of entity

I though you meant light taken away from an entity was the definiton of decay and thought "I don't remember this specifically being said"

[exotic yew]

Tbf fair enough but again I feel like if we were to somehow middle finger both gods and the war itself by someway somehow stop their influence from spreading to the world

[exotic yew]

Tbf that was my summed up of what it is

[hushed obsidian]

guess we will have to wait until more War of the Realms lore drops

[exotic yew]

Probably not too farfetched

[hushed obsidian]

it definitely is a logical theory

[exotic yew]

I always think there are some olms artifacts, or maybe you learnt something in fruma that leads to you cut their influence out

||can I atleast keep my fluffy boi, I will take care of him plsplspls||

[slender copper]

Wouldn't taking light from a incarnate of light just kill them???

[hushed obsidian]

I can leak that we won't come to your houses and steal your plushies

[exotic yew]

That'll kill him yes

But how is this related to decay

[exotic yew]

No I mean the big one :(((((((((

[slender copper]

You said "decay is caused by light dependant entity got their light taken away" we talking about Orphion or Gaval?

[hushed obsidian]

wouldn't it be funny if we just removed the nexus of light raid? Letting players play content we spent many hours creating is so overrated

[exotic yew]

Orphion never got decay

So what are you talking about

[exotic yew]

NOOOOOOOO

He will always be in my heart

He stole it

[hushed obsidian]

I wanna contribute to this conversation but I keep realizing that I don't actually remember for sure if I learned the lore from CT or before

[exotic yew]

Also Orphion is the LIGHT, his ass is not light dependent entity

[exotic yew]

Ok but forgery update next after Fruma I know it

🙏

No this is not related at all just random statement I made

[hushed obsidian]

I don't think you can "get decay" It never seemed like an illness to me more like decay is the aftermath of a lack of light and while light is being drained from you you decay. Though I wanna be clear that I am not actually sure this is how it works it's just what decay ingame feels like to me.

[exotic yew]

I mean

[hushed obsidian]

Forgery Update removal

[exotic yew]

Dullahan is a good example

[exotic yew]

Finally

[slender copper]

... The Decay is caused by Orphion being drained by the Parasite, this affecting the material plane below Light (being Gaval).

But according to Lari, it seemed to have also affected the Realm of Light as well, since it was much more beautiful with more islands around.

So both were affected.

[exotic yew]

After he got bitten by the parasite you sees him kinda became disabled and deformed person

[hushed obsidian]

no he gets deformed after he dies and is resurrected using the lazarus pit

[exotic yew]

Where did you get this

[hushed obsidian]

before that I think he's just weak

[exotic yew]

Tbf he was deformed before hand that's why they killed him

[hushed obsidian]

though been a while since I did a Headless history

iirc they killed him because they though he was the reason for the decay because he was decayed himself

[slender copper]

The rol quest?? Am I typing everything right.

[hushed obsidian]

then again we don't even actually know for sure what the parasite did to dullahan. It could be more than just decay.

[exotic yew]

You just kinda get it wrong

Or so I'd say

Yes Orphion was attacked

But consider you can see the parasite offspring infested literally everywhere

And if the only cause of decay is by Orphion being attacked why is the light forest unscathed?

[hushed obsidian]

||there is also the parasite nest in north kander with the ultimate discovery||

[exotic yew]

Orphion is attacked by a literal mother of all parasite > trying to kill the light

The land of gavel and the realm is infested with offsprings > this caused the decay

[chilly tulip]

I meant just having them both remain in their own realms

Because it seems unlikely we can just kill them entirely

[exotic yew]

I think they're talking about the parasite

[chilly tulip]

Oh

That makes more sense

[exotic yew]

Definitely will kill him if you let it

That's the stake

[chilly tulip]

Never mind I misunderstood

[slender copper]

Was how I was typing it made it seem that was the only cause of the Decay?

[exotic yew]

Bro

Are we fr

[hushed obsidian]

"The Decay" to me at least sounds like a way to address the entirety of it

[slender copper]

In what way.

[hushed obsidian]

if that is not what you meant clearly several people missunderstood what you said

[exotic yew]

Ok then explain light forest

If Orphion getting drained can cause decay why does Lari protecting it is actually effective

Since that place is the most connected to light too

[slender copper]

Yeah, seems like it.

[exotic yew]

Wouldn't it make sense if light forest would suffer from decay the most?

[hushed obsidian]

Well to be fair the Light Forest used to include the Dark and Kander Forest (technically Kander is part of Dark but whatever) so it DID affect parts of the Light Forest the most making them the Dark Forest (including Kander)

[slender copper]

Wasn't the entire province a beautiful forest, but in the secret discovery at the sign, Lari explains that the land was completely changed from the Decay.

[exotic yew]

Ok but then why is that part of light forest not affected at all

[exotic yew]

No actually some parts are cities but you see-

./j

[hushed obsidian]

I was merely pointing out that the light forest is affect contrary to what you seemed to suggest that has nothing to do with anything else you two are discussing

also yeh just parts of the Province were Light Forest not all of it. For example the Canyon and Molten heights were definitely also there

[exotic yew]

Tbf mostly the point is why would lari's barrier worked at all

[hushed obsidian]

but I think that's what you meant anyways so whatever

[exotic yew]

If the decay can be caused by Orphion himself

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah the whole realm of influence affecting realm of physicality thing still confuse me

It seems the decay already happen by parasite drain the light directly from plane of physicality itself

[exotic yew]

Canyon is protected by the colossus itself there's literally a secret discovery about this

[slender copper]

Going back to what you asked, I had assumed the Elders having had cut down the Tree of Wisdom may have been the culprit, but can't say for sure.

[exotic yew]

What

?????

What does this have anything to do with decay

[hybrid gazelle]

I can’t recall any damage that cause by plane of physicality reflecting from realm of jnfljence

[hushed obsidian]

I just said the Canyon exists

[hybrid gazelle]

Or that ever being brought up again

[slender copper]

You asked why the Light forest was unaffected so I said perhaps the tree being cut down allowed a greater portion of light to imitate from that area. But I said that's just what I thought.

[hybrid gazelle]

Feel like that badly explain of how two planes work in rol 4

[exotic yew]

Ok but why would that matter if even the light incarnated are the cause

Or rather, are struggling

Also then why have a barrier at all of that's the case

[slender copper]

I'm sure the wiki is going to probably disprove me from what I thought when going through the quests/discoveries but oh well.

[exotic yew]

...

Did you not do the secret discovery

[slender copper]

I did all of them-

At least the secret discoveries

[exotic yew]

Then wouldn't bane of gavel already explained what decay are

[hushed obsidian]

knowledge can be forgotten after being obtained

[exotic yew]

I guess the text is a bit vague

[slender copper]

Ah, the dernmites! I mostly remember them from the one secret discovery that explained why further into the Canyon there isn't Decay, but that's not relevant in this topic.

[exotic yew]

How is it not relevant to the topic

That is a literal cause of decay

[slender copper]

I mean why the Decay isn't going into the Canyon-

[minor flame]

Is Qira evil?

[exotic yew]

Qira is a slaver

Use that info how you like

[slender copper]

o_o

[hushed obsidian]

well she doesn't buy people or abduct them

(at least not that I remember)

[exotic yew]

If you joined her you literally cannot leave

FYI

Also

[hushed obsidian]

yes I am aware of that

does that fall under the definition of slavery?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah?

[exotic yew]

Does the servants get paid

[hybrid gazelle]

Wage slaves did not get abduct or kidnap

Qira literally take advantage of people desperation from decay and have them as her servant

[hushed obsidian]

guess I am not very well versed on the history of slavery. Oh well

[exotic yew]

Oh wait they cannot even leave

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t know if she does this o purpose

But it does not really help does it

[exotic yew]

I don't think it's that deep

[hybrid gazelle]

Their living condition do get better after

Orja arrive Ywah

[hushed obsidian]

I just don't know the specific definition of slavery and what types existed is what I meant

[hybrid gazelle]

When Orja become servant she improve the living condition

[exotic yew]

The good ol slavery in ancient times

[hybrid gazelle]

Even then like

It fucking take orja than qira herself to acknowledge

Because she just let Yansur run his course

[exotic yew]

I mean literally choose to be slave or die

[hybrid gazelle]

Orja literally habe 2 option where she become servant or stay homeless in Gelibord

So yes under this very specific condition

Qira’s servitude is consider as “better” alternate

[exotic yew]

Homeless in gelibord and thrown into prison to be killed

[hybrid gazelle]

But slavery is slavery

[exotic yew]

Seem very likely to happen

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah summary ideally good people should not have entire fucking slaves in their house

[minor flame]

I read all of Gale's dialogue in the Festival, and Qira does seem to try to keep Yansur in check, but Yansur seems to just not care.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yansur seems to fold under qira at mere suggestion

[exotic yew]

If you must know yansur died

A little bit later

Not by this incident but yk

[hybrid gazelle]

So him being asshole to servants and still being asshole is likely product of qira not giving a shit

[minor flame]

yansur is dead?

[hybrid gazelle]

So it no good for her image either way

[exotic yew]

I must say this but there's a qira fics written by her writer

You should read it for the context

But I forgo

[hushed obsidian]

a fanfic written by the original creator is still just a fanfic

if it's not in the game it isn't canon

[exotic yew]

Wellllllllllllllllll

About that

[hushed obsidian]

unless specifically stated otherwise

[exotic yew]

Can you call it a fanfic

[hushed obsidian]

yes the game is 13 years old and there are things in the game that aren't part of working lore and things known that aren't in game yet (I think a few at least but not entirely sure) but ingame is generally canon and not ingame is not

[exotic yew]

Yeah trashie you can take it from here

[hushed obsidian]

idk I have only just heard of it

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly would be nice if there other out of media content for otjer character

[exotic yew]

I don't feel like talking about this "fanfic"

[digital swan]

just one?

[hybrid gazelle]

I gotta keep up morr with reading wynncraft fanfic

I have not finish hive Drabble yet

[exotic yew]

More, less idk

Probably more than one

[digital swan]

Ok so quick question how many images of lari as a catgirl you have saved

?

I'll bet the number of qira fanfics is greater than that

[exotic yew]

Nah

[hushed obsidian]

I think it's best to steer away from fanfics in the lore discussion channel

[exotic yew]

Lari cat girls is probably around 6-7

[exotic yew]

The lari catgirl image lore discussion or something

The trend started by sone. Or pxyie or something

I don't remember

[hybrid gazelle]

But we allow to talk about homebrew?

[exotic yew]

Catgirl lari is part of wynncraft

[hushed obsidian]

I am not a moderator so not an authority of rules I just think it would be more appropriate

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk kinda weird to me that we can’t discuss fanfic consider it’s also an intereptation of wynncraft lore

[hushed obsidian]

I am not saying you can't I do not have the authority to do so

I simply said that I thought it would be best

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay lmao

[hushed obsidian]

you can choose to ignore what I said without consequence ofc

at least no consequences from me.

this is not a permission

[slender copper]

In that case I'll stop posting it D&D Wynncraft stuff here and go to #your_work again.

[hushed obsidian]

feel free

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean people gonna take your word due to your role

[hushed obsidian]

that is why I was very specific in telling you NOT to do that

at least for the not giving permission part

the rest was like an ask as a ct member to keep fanfics away from this channel but that does not qualify as a rule people have to follow

[exotic yew]

Bro

[hushed obsidian]

anyways enough of this. This is not lore discussion either

[exotic yew]

Tbf you kinda make it a point of the discussion rn

[hybrid gazelle]

Man mid game really need some adjustment, kinda hitting a wall

Probably experimenting with level arrangement

[hushed obsidian]

yeh I didn't mean to but when you have to be so specific it can easily escalate that is my bad

[exotic yew]

Personally still waiting for dessert rework

[hybrid gazelle]

Thinking of how story could be told with this set up

[exotic yew]

But on the other hand scared of them taking hashr away

[digital swan]

oh yeah I forgot to mention is there a place where I can officially suggest this

[exotic yew]

What is this

[digital swan]

fast travel fix

both to connect the jungle to gavel, since the quests there are the similar level

[hushed obsidian]

I can't read that it's too small but #1019649786799996980 is generally a good place for suggestions aswell

[digital swan]

but it's a long way to travel

and to make it so that it's possible to go from the seaskipper area network to the juggler area network

as of right now you can only go from the juggler area network to the seaskipper area network by juggler to ahmsord and then balloon to corkus and wavebreaker to selchar

so instead what if the rail link from llevigar to karoc quarry was made more prominent and extended

also giving fast travel service to gelibord

and an airship between troms and llevigar

[hybrid gazelle]

I really wanna see if it possible arrange some level range

Honestly no matter what new quest could be introduce since around mid game, levels start to become less

Clearing camps is perfect set up to be quest to introduce gavel

[digital swan]

fuck damiral?

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s starting point could be move to detlas where the admiral gave you an order

Trying to set up for Troms punishment storyline so it could transition to player getting discharge from the service

[digital swan]

@hushed obsidian what are the chances this stuff gets accepted

[hybrid gazelle]

Also the story could be adjusted timeline wise

1-2 years pass in mid game could be nice

So at least there evidence of player being in service for quite a while

[hushed obsidian]

entirely accepted? essentially zero. But we love the inspiration and it might inspire us to make something similar if we agree with and like the basic idea.

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon storyline also could give good excuse player having time off to do time valley stuff

[digital swan]

and the chances of you guys agreeing with the basic idea.?

[hushed obsidian]

This I cannot decide for the entire content team. Many people have many different opinions and it's best to not give estimates on this. But any properly constructive idea is worth posting

[hybrid gazelle]

Dungeon quests are definitely hard to work with but probably not world ending

Nesaak storyline is hard to think of

Because Theorick would benefit a lot being build up more

And frostbite could server as a good build up to Theorick but sadly it was after fate of the fallen

So if new quest can’t be added it’s seems under ice need to be remake entirely to introduce Theorick as character

Ideally including Aledar

But new quest likely can be added around lvl 42

It also difficult because during nesaak quest you also get to do quest in llevigar so it just early sign of tedious mid game move back and forth

[dim plover]

Another day of Purple trying to wrap their head around Weirds

[slim belfry]

ugh I'm having trouble backreading

[dim plover]

I guess they’re called Weirds for a reason but still

[slim belfry]

I assume they're conglomerations of mixed magic with some having mutations

probably more than that they're just weird

the world is weird and thus they are weird

[hybrid gazelle]

The idea of admiral honorably discharging the player habe potential idea for story

I really like the idea this woumd be post Olux quest

Ideally before rol but idk

The player essentially going awol when they running around gavel on decay and stuff

[dim plover]

I wish that’s all they were

Well ok not really because their depth’s actually kinda cool

[hybrid gazelle]

The player then would return to Detlas to be met with upset admiral who assign player to Troms as punishment for going awol

[dim plover]

If I could comprehend it

[hybrid gazelle]

And then finally at the end of Troms quest, player officially discharge as they learn the entire thing was a test from the admiral

Cause i like the idea of the admiral do see the player was taking path similar to Bob

So he had to choose between keeping the player in army and limit their potential or discharge them in order to create the next Hero of Wynn

So he send the player to Troms in order to test them and honestly that probably work well not transition player into phase where they can go whatever they want and stop being a soldier

[slim belfry]

yeah I'm aware that's my surface understanding of it

[digital swan]

killable magic blobs what more could I want

[digital swan]

what do you think about it

If I have a >5% chance of some sort of fast travel there I'll post but not if I'll get laughed outta town

[hybrid gazelle]

I think rearrange quests into nesaak -> llevigar -> Olux -> Troms would work well

I think having nesaak stay where it probably good thing befause it has dungeon

[digital swan]

why are we separating quests by location we can have two locations have quests at the same time

as long as there's a relatively rapid connection between the two locations

we just need more fast travel

[hybrid gazelle]

Rearranging llevigar quest would rather be difficult god

Probably will think later

Definitely annoying gap around 39

I want gavel introduce to be at least nesaak main story

So clearing the camps should be move away at the back a bit

And by product pirate trove

[eternal helm]

'curse' just means corruption right,,, we aren't teasing fruma somehow here

[hybrid gazelle]

probably corruption

it's weird phasing becasue it does not seems Fruma has anything to do with this LOL

[eternal helm]

Yea lol

[digital swan]

of...?

troms or ragni

[slim belfry]

curse of corruption attacking both

[digital swan]

gate singular unfortunately

not gates

I'm guessing troms, fuck troms

[slim belfry]

thinking about corruption are charon and his minions even corrupteds

find it strange that ba'kal is the one notable for having intelligence yet they also do too

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon simply just absent from the lore

[digital swan]

bakal is intelligent enough to sell extras in budget packages