📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

We dont even know wtf being Light Beast mean

like

[exotic yew]

If you wanted the corniest rol storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

what concept does it reprsent

is it a concept

[exotic yew]

This is the only guy

[hybrid gazelle]

so it kinda like trying to ask "what make an artist" when you have no context of what art is

[digital swan]

RoL with Wynnston from Fallen Factory?

[hybrid gazelle]

fucking

anyone

[exotic yew]

Sure why not

Probably does better job

[hybrid gazelle]

literally anyone with functional brain probably could do better job than Orphion

[digital swan]

yknow what they say, dogs are the best judges of character

[exotic yew]

Except Orphion is not dog

[digital swan]

Wynnston is

[exotic yew]

Wynnston is a robot

[digital swan]

close enough

[exotic yew]

Just go with PIP

[digital swan]

WAIT YES

[exotic yew]

Pip for new realmbeast

[digital swan]

PIP

[exotic yew]

🙏

Bro just wanted a bone to chew on

[digital swan]

on the other hand this is the dern beast

https://tenor.com/view/kot-gif-8238624761352288147

[hybrid gazelle]

Dern Beast is

exist

only get briefly mention

every wynncraft villains are fuckin dog shit

like

[exotic yew]

Waiting for design release so I can complete my realmbeast collection

[hybrid gazelle]

let's not kidding ourselves here, it just list of potential man

[exotic yew]

Bak'al 🙏

My boy failure

[hybrid gazelle]

the only one that are not are just random ass mobs that serve their purpose enough

[exotic yew]

Qira

Yes I say this name solely just to piss you off

[hybrid gazelle]

nice

[exotic yew]

I mean I cannot remember much of other notable boss

Other than

Bane of great bridge?

Can I even count that as a villain

[hybrid gazelle]

that more obstacle

it serve its purpose fine

[exotic yew]

Yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

probably best out of all of them because it serve its purpose

other do not

[exotic yew]

Villain in wynncraft

I mean I guess corkus patriots counted

[hybrid gazelle]

no

cause htey non exist

[exotic yew]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

this shit is like grading a student that only show up for 1 day and gone for entire semester

instead of just straight up giving them F

[exotic yew]

I guess there are not many in terms of bigbad

Other than bak'al and dernbeast

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that Dern Beast literally has no direct involvement until SE

speak to how much it badly being build up

[exotic yew]

🤫

The first time you encountered dern is like rol

Or rather mentioning about it per se

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean ROL is like

I dont think wynncraft even have an arch

like all villains die wayy too quickly or badly introduce

to see a clear arc in the story

[exotic yew]

Bak'al introduction

🙏

[hybrid gazelle]

the way wynncraft set up villain like Bak'al

where he meant to be big bad that player cant fight it

kinda fuck over the story a bit because then player just essentially have no equal

until probably dern

and if we lucky Fruma

but Fruma likely change that

[exotic yew]

The thing is we have shit like bob to compare

[hybrid gazelle]

As much as I love the early storyline, I think focusing on Infested pit is rather bad choice because now you essentially have big spider as the villain that barely get build up nor she ever can because she is too busy laying her spawns than to engage player outside the dungeon directly

[exotic yew]

And it just .make the notion "you cannot fight him" feels a bit jarring

Huh

Well shit got filtered 💔

[hybrid gazelle]

only hope for early game rn is Charon to have more quest and more build up associate wit hhim

having entire early quest to be this "Charon Arc" would make the early story sound more engaging and player more familar with Wynn as a province

[exotic yew]

Charon

[exotic yew]

We might need a hint about bak'al from him too for that case

Has his ass popped out of rol5 is too funny

Also god forbid how can everyone making portals and teleportation so easily

Like what's the fucking point of realm portal atp can't we just make portal to everywhere

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is

when you relying too much on shortcut in storytelling

even act of teleportation feel cheap and senseless

[exotic yew]

Also bak'al apparently can make portals

[hybrid gazelle]

Everyone and their grandma can probably make portal in wynncraft if they try hard enough

[exotic yew]

Which connects to OUT of rol directly

How the fuck does that work Lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

if we take the game for granted, wynncraft universe probably function by duct tape

and everyone in the world too busy huffing glue and factory smoke

[exotic yew]

Fucking aledar can make portal

Ah yes please the fucking assassin making a portal

[exotic yew]

Ok but did you know who did not make a portal

The elf elders

I think the elves are the blacksheep

Also what the hell does elves in wynncraft actually do

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that aledar can come out of nowhere during the quest

kinda put into questiondoes the death in AJB is even that necessery

[exotic yew]

Wdym

[hybrid gazelle]

in the quest AJB

when yohu kill Mangled Progeny

Aledar would teleport out of nowhere to your location

despite we are deep in the root

[exotic yew]

Lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

also this kinad like

make the entire section of getting the wing pointless

because it not even one person tp

like

it's actual portal that you the player can walk in to follow him back to Dren

like the distance from this portal

can go far from the deep of the root

to Dren's house

making it not only long distance portal

but also seeing the destination in person is not require

which put into question does the entire whole fetch quest

was necessery

cause it seems like Aledar could open portal to at lesat like

this is long distance between RoC and Dren's house(at Ternaves) btw

not counting ther fact we venture deep into the root for god know how deep it is

so this ability of Aledar where he capable of creating portal

that allow him to not only go to a location where he do not need to be there to see it himself

gone completely unused

resulting in the death of 2 party members

and the journey between it also result in fatally injured Aledar and result in him dying later

so they lose 3 members

because this ability that Aledar has that gone unmention

[hybrid gazelle]

also yeah btw to make it worse, they been through SE enough to have map there

so there literally no reason for Aledar to not just use teleportation

[slender copper]

Can we also put into the mix that Orphion could have defended themselves from the Parasite all this time? I mean I refuse to believe that those magical moves he does was from the Parasite knowing how to fight/defend itself using someone else. I mean, the evidence of Orphion taking the kill after FOUR players were spell casting the thing was already enough evidence.

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH that more forgivable

because the parasite kinda designed to infect him

it like saying human being are weak for being infected with tapeworm

or saying human being are weak for dying to one shot from a gun

like yeah no shit dude that what it designed to do

[vapid night]

haha dumb orphion

[slender copper]

Should have put their skill points in Defense /j

[hybrid gazelle]

fr

[digital swan]

What if, instead of making it so that Orphion communicated idiotically and the elves cut it down, what if we rewrite it so that Orphion's smart but when the Villagers invaded the west of Gavel they didn't recognize Orphion and so cut it down just because they felt strong magic in the tree and wanted to use it for themselves
After all we know from D&D1 that the Villagers were originally in the Cinfras area and invaded the Canyon (A dwarf says "I think we outran the villagers"), so it isn't too far of a leap to say that the Villagers invaded an ancient Elf civilization that originally extended from Aldorei to at least the Taproot, plus also in the Gavellian Monarchy period the Villagers may have been more militaristic and xenophobic (as monarchies are, plus elves probably fall under the category of small-noses which Villagers famously don't like)
Then after invading the west Gavel forests and confining Elves to the Aldorei area, they'd probably have found the portal tree and cut it down either as an effort to raze the Elf civilization or to access the magic behind it
And of course after the revolution now the Villagers and Elves are at peace but Villagers and Elves are still no longer allowed in each other's territories

• Orphion is no longer an idiot, just crippled by the actions of selfish people who didn't listen to him
• The only major pieces of lore that needs rewriting is Aldorei's Secret Part II, Birth of Efilim, and Realm of Light III
• Also explains why besides Efilim there are no other Elf towns in the Light or Dark forests

[warm flicker]

SOMEBODY needs to spread christmas joy to the ancient ruins, and i dont see u doing it

[slender copper]

*craftmas

[hybrid gazelle]

We don’t use craftmas anymore

[hybrid gazelle]

Craftmas is dead

[slim belfry]

craftmas is dead because a small amount of people do crafting

[digital swan]

Why does efilim not have a bank

or merchants

[hybrid gazelle]

Craftmas is more dead because of blizzard festival wxist

And it exist back when wynncraft was more of Minecraft

Which is not much longwr

So craftmas is dead

[digital swan]

ain't it supposed to be the capitalist merchant-filled town

[slender copper]

ok damn I didn't know-

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah all season event in wynncraft pretty much replace by festivals

whichi s like

hundred time cooler

and make more sense than

irl holiday but with craft at the end

[slender copper]

What are you trying to say here?

Thank you for editing it xD

[slender copper]

Yeah, I can see that. Goes well with the current world building of Wynncraft as well.

[exotic yew]

ok then where are the elf

[digital swan]

at what period of time

[exotic yew]

you know the first guardian is kinda in elf's territory right

[digital swan]

Yeah what I'm saying is that before 0 AP, Elves controlled most of western Gavel and so the Taproot, old Guardian, Light Portal, and Aldorei were all Elf territory

then between 0AP and the fall of the Gavellian monarchy the elves were confined to Aldorei

[hybrid gazelle]

with finishing Light Bender character

I probably goiong to run the idea of light as religion basically following set of rule that allow one to transcend the mortal concept to be rebirth as part of the light

[exotic yew]

I don't think the elves would give up the tree guardian so easily

[hybrid gazelle]

so stuff like pacifism came from the elves seeing violence as a mortal concept that they should reject in order to get closer to the Light

[digital swan]

I mean the Poles didn't give up the Danzig Post Office easily either it's just that practically none of them got out alive

[hybrid gazelle]

I really like the idea of religionous part of Aldorei are a bit seeprate from the elder

and since the Equinox, the elders would lose control and allowing the high preist to take more control over Aldorei, making the place become what it is which is religious extremist

and other side effect like Lari being indoctrinate to become pacifist

[digital swan]

or well 38 were captured but they were all executed summarily shortly after

and 4 escaped

[hybrid gazelle]

the elders would have their own body guard but the temple/church would have paladin

[digital swan]

In any case this is after the core of the clearing this is the "counterinsurgency" phase in every genocidal war

so most of the people are probably unarmed

there would be some guards of course

in fact, most of them might even be praying for their survival as they get killed

[hybrid gazelle]

I really want to explore more on the fucked up politic of aldorei

consider the disaster that is the Equinox pretty much fuck over their society a lot

honestly that did not protray quite well in the original quest as it more like dirty secrect that everyone kept somehow

so my take kinda try to make the immortality thing being gaslight by the religion group as another step for elves to get closer to the Light

in which the religions group would gain more power and control compare to the elders who are now stumbling to reform

and by the time they reform, the inexperience new elders would be psuh around by the more powerful and threatening religious group

which essentailly turn the entire situation into sunk cost fallacy as the elders aware of everything wrong with current Aldorei but unable to fix anything due to the fear of provoking the temple

maybe when I make quest rewrite of Aldorei's secrect would be more about the political infighting in the citadel

[digital swan]

I think the only other thing is that RoL 3 doesn't work because Dullahan and Lari would be executed if found so the camp would have to be more hidden so the Geliborders wouldn't have found him

On the other hand, maybe they're originally fine with him since Dark Foresters don't seem to be the greatest fans of the Cinfras government

and they call the government only when they think he's behind the Decay

[warm flicker]

Elder Aledar?

wait thats Alder

im going insane

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah no there like

character with similar name is actualyl funny

[vestal rivet]

Astal?

[hybrid gazelle]

Astal is pronouce different compare to Aledar lol

Alder and Aledar is like

very similar

[vestal rivet]

oh you talking about the elves elders again

[woeful abyss]

Elden Ring:

[slim belfry]

ah so I wasnt the only one

[charred wharf]

Ok, so I just reached the memory quest thing.. Are we all Criminals? And does the whole we have no memory to access ourself get explained?

[hybrid gazelle]

fruman recruits are (so far) criminals from fruma that they decide to pack and deliever to Wynn as recruits

so yeah

the whole no memory thing likely just the writers wanting to leave room for players to intertreptate their own past

rather than giving concrete one

but again this might change in Fruma

but as of for now we dont really have evidence of player charcter actually being concrete character and not self insert

[charred wharf]

Interesting. I am assuming Fruma is an upcoming update? Just hopped back in after nearly 7 years and getting into the lore this time.

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

Fruma planned to release in early of next year

[charred wharf]

Ooh cool. OK ok, I need to not spoil myself, but more questions will come when I have them... like do we ever see the guy who got kidnapped by the spider squad in the woods again?

[hybrid gazelle]

Solve in arachnid ascension

[charred wharf]

Good to know. Excited to see it.

[hybrid gazelle]

Should not you have it complete?

It’s lower level to recover the past

[slim belfry]

not everyone completed all quests or in order

was doing undergrowth the other day and a level 105 had to do the whole quest

[hybrid gazelle]

RTP is level 25

AA is level 14

it's kinda weird order to paly in

but sure

[nocturne cave]

playing quests 10+ ahead before previous is strange, but i guess some players do do it

[hybrid gazelle]

It's nothing wrong but simply odd

[digital swan]

No Tasim isn't

but Aledar is

[slim belfry]

of course the assassin archetype is the criminal

[digital swan]

well yeah

that's why he's a criminal

presumably

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim is cirminal by the fact that he is curesed

so yeah to the Fruman he is in fact criminal and he selected to be send to Wynn as recruits

[nocturne cave]

found this 'exit' door behind ternaves prison. other than allowing someone to get out, is there any lore implications about the prison. Always wondered what its for.

[hybrid gazelle]

it probably some scrapped lore that Ct want to tell

but probably did not have time to add a nything

I highyl dbout it would match the recent lore but who know

[nocturne cave]

i was doing research on it, found it was added in the gavel update

[hybrid gazelle]

which one

reborn one or

[nocturne cave]

the first one

also it used to be accesible

[hybrid gazelle]

then yeah probably old stuff

[nocturne cave]

https://youtu.be/gRxFavV0MLM?si=RDMqjiqqy6iqqZ8v

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah probably just old stuff

[vapid night]

hello!!

[hybrid gazelle]

but we could intrepret it

[nocturne cave]

thats true

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly I like the idea it being a prison before corruption war happen

[nocturne cave]

that owuld be interesting

or maybe ternaves is hiding a secret...

[hybrid gazelle]

ternaves so far in current lore is just a town

[vapid night]

hey trashie what do you think of trickster!!

the archetype

[hybrid gazelle]

I highly dbout they would have anything to hide beside the mining

huh

oh trickster

pretty coo lI dont really play assassin myself

but I do think it funny sometime seeing like clone of people circling around

[nocturne cave]

tbh when i think ternaves i just think horses

[hybrid gazelle]

because that all its relevancy LOL

The only info we have is not many come to the prison

so liekly there taboo behind it

[nocturne cave]

i mean theres that one quest and then its used in totl and jb

[vapid night]

have you like made a trickster oc?

[hybrid gazelle]

yep

[vapid night]

ooo really??

[hybrid gazelle]

it's mech one

next to arcanist

[vapid night]

a mech interesting!!!

trickster has some interesting ability names like soul siphon or toxic sludge

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah some of the ability node cant be translate into mech concept

so sometime they left out or recontextualize

[vapid night]

its still very cool, im just curious how tricksters can... siphon souls??

[hybrid gazelle]

if you mean in canon then IDK LOL

trickster in actual game are base more on

Jester assassin from what I am seeing

like those archetype of character that mix the idea of medival jester and assassin together

[vapid night]

ive never seen a jester siphon souls or clone themselves

trickster is using some evil magic im telling you!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Cloning is more like

trickery illusion

trolling distraction or some sort

so it not literal clone

but more like illusion

as the name suggest

[vapid night]

except those clones can actually hurt you and copy your spells

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that more for gameplay and also it nothing new that sometime media just protray illusion capable of harming other people

and does perfect replica of the user

[vapid night]

what about like toxic sludge or like theres this ability about fire i think

deflagrate?

trickster has a lot of stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly again this is extremely up to personal intertreptation

but for me I think it just related to those like

trolling and stuff

it expanded from lauhging gas

if I were to guess

and the whole fire thing

Honestly fire thing is more gameplay

again elements is very weird when it come to archetype

as something like Fallen is Earth and Thunder despite being corruption themed

that often associate with fire

that is because Fallen meant to be damage archetype and so gameplay wise it benefit most from Earth and Thunder element

same as Trickster

Trickster is benefit more from being fire element due to it being more tanky variant of assassin

so it being fire related is likely solely from gameplay standpoint

[digital swan]

Is the "being of power" that the Talking Mushroom refers to supposed to be the original Garoth from Lost Sanctuary

[warm flicker]

i always thought the being of power was referring to Anni, though that line couldve been written before Annihalation was added to the game

[digital swan]

I mean Gyran says "in Elkurn" I thought that refers to Garoth originally living in Elkurn

[drifting aurora]

god this dialogue is old

it's referencing the old caid duplication bug

i should probably get rid of it

[slim belfry]

oh boy not the old garoth lore

awaiting the day forgery gets put to rest so lost sanctuary goes completely away

[unique jungle]

garoth lore my beloved

i loved reading the wiki page on it so back in the day practically got me into that entire region

[digital swan]

NOOOOO

just uh retcon it to referring to Garoth living in Elkurn

[hybrid gazelle]

I can’t believe caid is trickster archetype

[hexed nova]

The sanc leggings won’t make a lot of sense but u can js rename them

[boreal spire]

The ele sanctum pieces

[dense lodge]

clock sanctum: win win

[digital swan]

free my boy kronos he done nothing wrong

[swift niche]

Which gender is Parasite?

[cerulean osprey]

why is this a question

[exotic yew]

Female

Probably

Since it can reproduce

[drifting aurora]

the parasite is an it

[exotic yew]

Tbf it can be used for both male and female

So

[slim belfry]

it doesnt even seem to have the intelligence or ability to care

so neither

[shut hornet]

it seems to do so asexually though so like not really

[exotic yew]

You mean laying eggs

Also parthenogenesis

I think also could fit theme since some irl parasites does this

E.g. liver fluke

[warm flicker]

"Why is it snowing in Detlas?"
Boring answer: Santa has the power to make it snow anywhere, made it snow in Detlas
Awesome answer: Theorick rises from the dead every year to give Detlas a snowy winter

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not it related to Aster lore?

[warm flicker]

am unfamiliar with aster lore

[hybrid gazelle]

Me too but it about Aster losing his brothers

And all of this festival stuff is a product of memory or something

[woeful abyss]

my baby :(

but yeah you can tell its outdated cause you can literally see the fucking water relic shrine 😭

[woeful abyss]

Sanctum Leggings instead of Sanctuary, should be fine ?

[vestal rivet]

I do wonder where all the forgery loot will go if forgery gets removed
some of those items are popular favorites

[unique jungle]

why would they remove forgery

that would be a terrible move

[misty eagle]

the forgery as is is a weird thing to have in Gavel

why are corruption-based time space anomalies present in gavel

I could see the forgery getting thrown into the Temple of Time, though. use the various dungeon rewards like Charon's Brain or Redbeard's Hair on the altar to access the new corrupted dungeon

this may just be a desperate attempt from me to bring more content to the Temple of Time, though

[quartz mist]

forgery has too much tied to it to have everything thrown out. if it does get a rework and i do kinda hope it does eventually then itll need to be handled in such a way that the rewards wont become inaccessible or rollable

[digital swan]

What's the problem with having each dungeon have its own secret which teleports you to the corrupted version

Instead of forgery

[quartz mist]

that used to be how it was before forgery existed and it confused the shit outta new players who stumbled into them

[digital swan]

maybe lock behind completing the original dungeon and also have a warning in the secret room

[quartz mist]

statement stands

[digital swan]

what about a quest req which takes you to a heavily corrupted version of wynn where corruption won and which explains the corrupted dungeons as the dungeons in that alternate reality or smth idk

[quartz mist]

every 2016 quest suggestion ever

[digital swan]

future selchar :supershock:

[quartz mist]

besides hunters calling already shows that

[digital swan]

unfortunate

[regal spire]

Wait what

When was this, I do not remember that being a concept

[quartz mist]

there used to be side entrances with every dungeon that had a corrupted dungeon with a level warning in front of them that you had to take to go to the corrupted dungeon, before the forgery consolidated it all and put the entrances up next to the key forge. it used to just be the key forge

[regal spire]

Oh right right

I completely forgot about that

I only distinctly remember CDS, but I assume because that was basically the only one until around 1.15

[quartz mist]

I think they got consolidated when corrupted ice barrows was released.

[woeful abyss]

I miss that, it was absolute cinema

although if you'd want to do a bunch of different ones then it would suck travelling all over the place lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh while corrupted dungeon sound cool in concept

Having content revolve around playing these dungeons back to back

Definitely get fucking stale and make corruption visual just shit to look at

Like I know thst the point but when the content design for you to keep looking at it for long period of time

Yeah it kinda lost it novelty

It like having gorey image to disturb you which is the point and then force the viewer to keep staring at different variation of it for like 1 hour at max

I do some forgery run and all I remember is color red

[regal spire]

To comment on this: the corruption visuals do look shit for like 6/8 of the corrupted dungeons. They’re just not all that good builds

[hybrid gazelle]

Like modern corruption build probably look great if it got updated to the dungeon

But I don’t think that fix the problem of corrupted dungeon visual

Like corrupted dungeon idea could be a good take on harder version of the dungeon but not

Back to back

If you know what I mean

Like it fine if each dungeon is something you do on it own

But not like fucking 8 dungeons in the row

So if forgery update, I feel like it gotta choose if it want to be harder version of existing dungeon or a gauntlet

[regal spire]

I get what you’re saying, but I think this concept can be easily remedied of that problem by just making the corrupted builds distinct enough. For example, look at TNA. Very repeatable content. It has a very distinct design, and doesn’t deviate from that style at all, but it’s very enticing and engaging to look at everything that’s involved. If every dungeon got that kind of treatment, while still maintaining the core design of corruption’s color schemes, I think it’d be manageable

[vestal rivet]

one really long dungeon with randomized rooms that gets has higher max length the higher a level you are and has higher level mobs the deeper you go in
and it looks like bits and pieces of the other dungeons

[regal spire]

This, too, forgery has just always been a very dated concept, in general

Even when it was updated for 1.20, it felt out of date

Ive stood by this sentiment for a while

[vestal rivet]

forgery don't even have reskins of the new dungeon bosses, it has reskins of the old ones still lol

no second chance mechanic either, despite the fact FF and EO have them

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh if I were to remake the dungeon, I kinda want corrupted dungeon to be its own thing and forgery its own thing

[regal spire]

That’s a different case entirely, but yeah, it’s even more dated now than ever

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause my idea for remake dungeon is to make interacting with dungeon master habe you open a gui

[vestal rivet]

give forgery a timelost sanctum vibe instead ig
make the time jumping thing make more sense

[hybrid gazelle]

And you can spend rune to turn the dungeon into corrupted version

[regal spire]

Dungeons are one of, if not the oldest system in Wynn rn, if I’m not mistaken. They have had zero changes, besides updating the dungeon itself to look nicer/be harder. A potential repeat of 1.14.2 with a reworked dungeon’s UI, concept, and design in general would be wonderful

[vestal rivet]

Maybe if forgery dropped the corruption theme and instead became yet another silverbull outlet

[regal spire]

🌸: “that’s a wonderful idea!”

[slim belfry]

they already have raids and lootruns what more could they want

conspiracy theory time that there's a secret 4th realm: the realm of money

[regal spire]

They already did that with Gavel

[vestal rivet]

if silverbull was tied to JUST the store and cosmetics and whatnot I'd have like no complaints about it almost

(given it also staying in its lane)

[slim belfry]

yes and now they're moving onto wynn

wynnex style

[vestal rivet]

there is a yellow flower emote in default emote list

[regal spire]

I did not know that 😔

I can barely tell, my phone screen is super desaturated and grey

[vestal rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/undertale-undertale-yellow-undertale-yellow-flowey-flowey-laugh-flowey-demented-laugh-gif-11057364547846994724

🌻 sunflower

[regal spire]

☘️: 🥶

[vestal rivet]

"tries to cry but has no eyes"

[regal spire]

UT Yellow was such a gem

[vestal rivet]

it was

[regal spire]

TS!Underswap is also such a hella fan game, and I’m super excited for the rest of it

Deltarune got over 70 play sessions out of me this year, and I couldn’t be more hyped for this shit

[vestal rivet]

UTY was the only UT fangame to ever get my attention

[hybrid gazelle]

I still stand the fact that dungeon should be more open up and explorable

Rather than extremely linear progression

[vestal rivet]

that would def be cool yeah

[hybrid gazelle]

Like benefit of this is

Allow dungeon to have bit more replayability

Allow some dungeon to be more intresting

Also habe option for lore to be hidden too

[digital swan]

very friendly person

[hybrid gazelle]

Cause god some dungeon boss need more

[regal spire]

I think I like the idea behind the linearity of it, but there being options for alternative pathing, exploration, lore, and secrets would be amazing

[digital swan]

where villagers come from?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah ofc there should be one main path

But give player option to explore would be nice for many thing

[digital swan]

I mean. Timelost Sanctum

[hybrid gazelle]

And make dungeon less like lesser raid

Cause as of rn

[vestal rivet]

make each dungeon get more complex
decrepit sewers only gets like 1 offshoot path and that's it
but by the time you get to GG you have all these underwater tunnels to explore

[hybrid gazelle]

Dungeon js lesser raid in every way possible

[regal spire]

TLS remains my favorite dungeon, idc what anyone thinks

[digital swan]

TLS is peak

[regal spire]

SST is also nice, but only because of the parkour

[digital swan]

it's not linear for one

[regal spire]

The p in peak stands for perfect dungeon

[vestal rivet]

TLS is interesting

[digital swan]

it's really nice for me because it gives some nice options to pick what you want easiest and hardest

[vestal rivet]

also in terms of early game balancing, boss altars are far harder than dungeon bosses and whatnot lol
same build I had that could to jack to Haros melted Charon in like 10s at lvl 29

like obv there should be a difference but I think this is a little much

[regal spire]

Charon isn’t scaled, for one, so that might be why

Also they’re bugged

[vestal rivet]

Boss altars scale?

[regal spire]

No, they don’t, I meant Charon’s HP isn’t updated to 2.1 standard

[vestal rivet]

oh so he's way tankier than he's supposed to be rn

[regal spire]

Nah, actually way weaker

[vestal rivet]

dang

[digital swan]

I think I'm selling tbh on all my classes I can do all the normal dungeons with like zero effort
then Eldritch Outlook is :bartek:

[vestal rivet]

most dungeons are really easy going back and leveling another character for the first time in like a year, but most boss altars are still really hard

[regal spire]

You is sellin if you’re dying to The Cry!

[digital swan]

boss altars are nuts

[regal spire]

The Eye? More like The Piece of Pie

[vestal rivet]

playing trickster, like 1 single burst is usually enough to blitz a dungeon boss lol
sometimes when I'm underleveled 2-3

[digital swan]

The Passage sucked tbh but mostly because I have terrible crowd control stuff and the guy heals

[digital swan]

well I also have like a level 78 build

[hybrid gazelle]

Ngl I really want to update Theorick to be more like gywn lord of cinder from dark soul

[regal spire]

Basically every dungeon boss, besides Theorick, Slykaar, Witherhead, and Arak, are all super weak for their level.

[hybrid gazelle]

I thjnk at best Theorick shoulder habe tradegy behind his dungeon

[regal spire]

Witherhead is actually kinda weak, too, but that’s okay cause baby boss

[digital swan]

Witherhead is also kinda weak for its level

[digital swan]

yeah

at level it deals no damage

[hybrid gazelle]

Like the dungeon itself building hype for him where you can see corruption being frozen over and and the spike just stop in its tracks

[vestal rivet]

deleted witherhead too
arak put up slightly more of a fight but wasn't that hard either

[regal spire]

If you ain’t running The Eye with Witherhead’s bow and Tsanc, is you even playing

[vestal rivet]

then bovine barn actually took like 2 attempts and a couple minutes, and Haros was bad enough I straight up had to leave and come back when I was almost level 30

[regal spire]

Haros is definitely up there, now, as goated bosses. And durum remains my absolute favorite boss in the game

Just on its placement and level cap alone

[vestal rivet]

side note
Bamboozle on its own is stronk early game
if you take double slice instead of poisoned blade, you can put off getting smoke bomb for a while and save on AP early game at the cost of that spell

[digital swan]

Lemme think what actually is my favorite boss

[regal spire]

You know the Strats, mg

However, I still think early game shade is one of the better options for durum

[vestal rivet]

if you bamboozle tp through a boss, then you notice a lot of the new ones have a turn speed kinda and they can't turn around fast enough to catch up to you easily
slightly broken but also completely trickster coded lol

a whole second agro break thing, albeit a weaker one... that also procs as you do a hefty 350% damage in the early game

[digital swan]

tbh I liked Fully Formed Amadel and Alkevo

but my favorite is probably the Canary that was a fun bossfight
Weird
Fun

Garaheth was fun too

[vestal rivet]

idk I have trouble reading some of the blocky animations sometimes
a lot of bosses are samey to me, hard to predict even what the newer ones with better telegraphs are doing

[hybrid gazelle]

Man I am so conflicting between making siege idea or dungeon rework idea

Siege idea rn I am at trying to make quest for it

Idk if it should be in Troms or Detlas

[quartz mist]

no, he just has health for a boss five levels weaker than he actually is according to the stat sheet

he's lv 35 but has health like a lv 30 boss

[regal spire]

I see, I assumed it just got left behind because of how low the disparity is

[digital swan]

siege?

[regal spire]

Ig same poop different butt, but

[regal spire]

Charon really REALLY needs a health buff. Like, bad

[digital swan]

are we talking 3shotable 2shotable or 1shotable

[regal spire]

Like at level assassin in leaf gear can 2-3 shot

[digital swan]

:yay:

[regal spire]

Again, UC and CUC are the new worst dungeons in the game

[quartz mist]

if I were to buff his health he would have a little over 15k

the problem is he doesn't do anything, more than anything else

[digital swan]

i can't remember what damage I do at level whatever that is

[regal spire]

That is also an issue

[quartz mist]

the script spells which weren't ever any good anyway broke, so he just kinda floats towards you doing the simplest possible spell combos ever

[digital swan]

how much health does he have

[quartz mist]

~10.5k

[digital swan]

rip him

[digital swan]

this is just every earlygame dungeon tho

[regal spire]

Charon needs a level buff, if the issue is level to health conversions

[quartz mist]

well, you go in at Lv 21 or 24

[regal spire]

Because, unless he gets some kind of crazy new kit, the spells he has anyway make it impossible for him to do any of it

[digital swan]

what if you just revert it to general graken spam instead tho

[regal spire]

I think Charon fits as an exception, but that would follow with a rework, if it ever did get a unique, high level

[quartz mist]

is the script stuff also busted for the corrupted dungeon, out of curiosity

[regal spire]

Yes

Charon currently doesn’t do anything ever

[quartz mist]

yeah figured

[regal spire]

(It’s hard to even tell it’s broken, though, because you just melt the boss anyways )

[quartz mist]

but yeah. all his script spells?

CRUNCH!! Add them to the heap

[regal spire]

Call this shit rubbish cause what a dump

[quartz mist]

so all he does is lazily toss out the occasional meteor or multihit

[regal spire]

If he can even get that off

[quartz mist]

I already had a gigantic thread a couple years ago about all my gripes so I won't go into em here but suffice to say the script spells are just. not fun or interesting and prevented anything to do with YML spells

[regal spire]

It spawned zombies, I recall, but that was it

It was the only spell that gave it a chance at survival, because it made him invulnerable or something

[digital swan]

I mean it doesn't really matter how unfun his spells are tbh

he just kinda dies before he can use them tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

Really want to capture the tone of Wynn province with siege game mode tbh

The idea of fighting horde of undead with shit being throw around

Also writing quest to serve as tutorial for it

Honestly probably try to justify player being a soldier in this quest by contextualize siege as their job

[quartz mist]

the trouble with adjusting charon rn is just that focus is elsewhere. I won't say what they are but I have heard rumblings of ideas for a rework and I wouldn't want to put in a bunch of work to moveset him up only to have that interfere with whatever may have been planned. just adding in yml spells like a couple years ago would 100% have people balk, even though I have a design just in waiting that I made as a counter-offer to the scriptified version, and to add to all that with the focus being on Fruma right now I bet I'd get some raised eyebrows to put my focus there too.

[hybrid gazelle]

Scary skeletons

Charon has potential

Ngl I hope they dedicate entire early game arc to him as the villain

Because out of every villain he js like only corrupted villain we have that could be expand

[vapid night]

kapow its me beacon

charon is cool i think

[warm adder]

bacon

[vapid night]

why does everyone call me bacon

im not food

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon just in position to be main villain in the early game

We even have hint of thst in elemental excercise

If only they remake morr quest to build up Charon more

Like fighting his forces more

Quest like lava spring and more could use it

[hushed obsidian]

my eyerbrows would be raised :)

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon problem come in the fact he seems like an important figure

But in actual game he is more obstacle for the player rather than being actual main stay villain

[hushed obsidian]

He is the villain of someone elses(Graken's) story. (I am yapping don't listen to me)

[hybrid gazelle]

I need to revisit reworking Charon later

Could not get his vibe right

[nocturne cave]

Tbh lost tower should be remade into more charon/UC/ancient nemract lore

[hybrid gazelle]

Lost tower definitely one

Tbh I would say that house quest should too

I think it really funny that some poor Nemract citizen would pay corkian to design their house

Instead of like

Moving out of Nemract

like there probably some fucking guy coming out of the wood to say that dwelling wall should be kept as a wuest

But like I don’t really care I think it could get wipe for another Charon quest

Pit of the dead could get treatment too

Lost tower, pit of the dead, dwelling wall could get lootrun update treatment to be a long questlinw rhat conclude in dark descendent

There also like probably other quest that could go in between

[hushed obsidian]

dwelling walls is peak but lost tower and pit of the dead are uhh. Barely quests

[hybrid gazelle]

If lost tower and pit of the dead get remake and it not enough to refine Charon as character

then I feel like Dwelling walls could also add in

it just my problem with dwelling wall is that the puzzle that is its main focus is not worth the entire quest
even then it just one of those joke-y quest that probably could be replace for something more

wynncraft alreayd fast pace in its story that I feel like every joke focus quest feel like a waste
this would not be a problem if wynncraft are more slower pace

but too bad we are in like the early game where the player blink once and they already at nemract the moment they start the game

[hushed obsidian]

idk what dwelling walls thematically would add. I don't think you can rework dwelling walls to refine charon lore you can just remove it and add another Quest in it's slot at which point you could also add a new Quest

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that basically what I am saying LMAO just get rid of dwelling walls for something else

and have dwelling walls puzzle in like

something IDK

[hushed obsidian]

why are you trying to get rid of dwelling walls for it? there is no point in that

it is an entirely unrelated Quest

[hybrid gazelle]

I just under impression IF new quests cant be added

because the early game is fast already at it is, adding another quest just make it worse because player would gain EXP faster than they should

but hey if new quests could be added then that fine

[hushed obsidian]

generally Quest amount I think is more about content density around the map than amount

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah tbh I wish early game is more slower because literally wynncraft progression just so fast

I think one of the highlight to the problem is that like the moment you arrive in Ragni, Tasim already nudging you to leave it by saying he waiting at Nivla Forest LOL

[hushed obsidian]

I think all that is by design but that is broader game design that I am not entirely certain about

[hybrid gazelle]

it definitely by design but at the same time it also just make attachment to places feel very lacking

I just think it just stem from problem since wynncraft first its development

because back in the day there never really consider for lore and wynncraft is just a minecraft server that solely and purely there for gameplay

so places like Ragni are not really view as actual palce that exist in alternative realtiy but rather just starting place for the player

[hushed obsidian]

I'm pretty sure the point is to get the player out there. Prevent them getting stuck in Ragni and point them to get out there and explore the world

[hybrid gazelle]

so there not really much consideration or care(again why would they cause it just a place in game) which then kinda domino effect into early game being so fast that player does not form attatchment to these area

It is but it also kinda fucked up with the current preimise of the story which I mention before

thing just go too fast

[hushed obsidian]

early game being fast is also meant to make the player feel like they are making progress so they see more of the game quickly and not let them get bored too fast I think (definitely poorly worded but something along those lines just more logical)

[neat oriole]

gotta hook them in so the sunk cost fallacy kicks in at exactly the right time

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like if you afraid of players being bored too fast

I dont htink the solution should be keep introducing more area LOL

at that point maybe just chang your premise to be something else rather than having player being a recruits of an army

like if you afraid at the idea of a province that constant on war against undead and hell itself to become boring to the player

it

IDK man maybe the problem is not the player stay in the area for too long

TBH this is probalby why I prefer progression in serverl ike Monu more

despite the build quality being lesser

because it just I can remember being in town more compare to like Efilim that only has like 1 quest and that quest does not even involve the town that much

I feel like wynncraft just have a problem where the premise that they trying to do kinda go against the gameplay that they wanted

ecause definitely viewing story as a whole, the player is less of a soldier and probably deserve to get into jail for desertion and going AWOL than celebrated

ofc this is until mid-late game

where player actually have valid to not do army shit

[nocturne cave]

Personally i think dwelling walls can stay but pit of the dead and lost tower… revamped

[hybrid gazelle]

pit of the dead just nothing quest and lost tower exist LOL

Charon desreve more quest

honestly akkadicus still weird choice to have questline leading up to her

but she is like

elvel wise she is perfect

[nocturne cave]

I mean dwelling walls is short by design and thats good

[hybrid gazelle]

it just too bad she does not really have a way to get imore involve in the story

so Charon should do the trick

[nocturne cave]

What they want to do is put Aledar and tasim throughout the entire game

[hybrid gazelle]

it is yes

[nocturne cave]

Theyve only got to lvl 25

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

we know that

yes

[nocturne cave]

So nemract msl coming soon?

[hybrid gazelle]

we got mercenary quest

which have aledar

[nocturne cave]

Charon rework likely

[hybrid gazelle]

so yeah

Consider aledar feature in mercenary quest it likely that we wont see him in this potential Charon rework?

Charon also refer in RTP

well more like

helping Graken

not direct reference but the event of dark descent is mention

[nocturne cave]

Idk but not necessarily tying aledar and tasim but maybe Graken throughout nemract

I agree with you

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I am more into trying to refine quest in wynncraft to fit more into the premise of the story

because as of rn the premise of the story is

VAGUELY there

like VAGUELY

[nocturne cave]

Its pretty good at the moment especially early game

[hybrid gazelle]

it's step up from wynncraft previous writing

but still could be better

[nocturne cave]

Some quests should be kept standalone

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft still have poor understanding of how real life stuff work which is issue when you want to make actual living breathing world

like sure you can say this is fantasy

but when you dont know the rule you cant really bend it

[nocturne cave]

I disagree I think rekindled really helped that

[hybrid gazelle]

what rekindled even do

like

I dont remember it have that much quest and mercenary quset kinda fall into same trap

of not understand how soldiers or chain of command work

I like mercenary quest

[nocturne cave]

Mobs , ambience , all these things to make it generally a more lively world

[hybrid gazelle]

just to get it out there

yeah but

I am not talking about that

I am talking about stuff like economy and stuff

the world building stuff

stuff you kinda need to get the basic of to make a world

[nocturne cave]

Well no but the recent revamps in the last few updates (gavel reborn, early game rework) have helped

Gavel was trash before tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

like

I dont think it ever help

like IDK what you talking about

[nocturne cave]

They have helped with the world building and lore in general tying everything together

More cohesive

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah ofc but again I talking about economy and how millitary structure work

which they still kinda failing at the second part

a CT I talk to do say that they see the problem and will try to fix it later on

but I just kinda wondering how they gonna fix the story
cause wynncraft as a story rn limited by its premise rather enchance by it

[nocturne cave]

Oh

Ok

Idk

I have trust in the ct in the next few years

Theyll get it right

[hybrid gazelle]

player being recruit is just dubious

[nocturne cave]

I mean classic selfinsert but in my opinion it does work, fruma will answer qs

[hybrid gazelle]

Ragni so far did not really like

[hybrid gazelle]

The concrete premise that we have

is that they are recruits

and a soldier

but the game kinda failed to protray that

Ragni so far just failed to show any hint of care in taking in recruits beside opening the door for them

having group of people that literally lose memory of their home and origin

and then just let them walk off the kingdom is

definitely a choice

[nocturne cave]

This is solved by detlas barracks / admiral aegis etc

[hybrid gazelle]

it not really solve because Ragni still let their fresh recruits go out of their own

instead of making them familarize with their new home

it just feel irresponsible and just careless on Ragni part

[nocturne cave]

I think making ragni more like you were suggesting which is more realistic would be at the expense of a longer tutorial

[hybrid gazelle]

it really not just not make Tasim walk out of Nivla Forest

and that it

I literally have concept suggestion

a way to remedy this problem

tbh even then I probably someday write my own take on tutoria

[nocturne cave]

In my opinion the region they need to remake most is the jungle

[hybrid gazelle]

iM ean yeah ofc that like

ocean is blue

[nocturne cave]

Its filled with randomnquests

[hybrid gazelle]

it has not update for years

[nocturne cave]

Yh ocean as well

Grand youth is dumb, the passage is just boss altar, etc

[hybrid gazelle]

also here one of my suggestion to adjust the quest

the aim of the project is

try not to fully remake the quest

but more editing the dialogue as much as possible

By making Tasim be more vague of where he at would at least give some room of him doing work around Ragni

rather than the guy just sitting his ass in Nivla forest straight away

and remake some interaction to establish the protocol and explain how player situation is special compare to other recruit

There alot more so like

oop the webs9ite is down

dan

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/fixing-wynncraft’s-recruits-issues.322569/

HERE IT IS

[charred wharf]

Read over what you posted Trashie, and those are solid ideas for rewrites for sure. Definitely hit on something I noticed during my current playthrough where I am finally paying attention to the story.

And even then, I am still finding myself doing the story out of order.

[digital swan]

WHAR
If he wants the energy mushroom just to stay awake wtf happens to the therck stairs

[hybrid gazelle]

He literally said he going to climb it

the dialogue barely change

[digital swan]

oh ok

I missed thar

[dry aspen]

Honestly, instead of a black void and a teleport, why not have it be a little caved out area with a hooded wagon that you enter, like the one that takes you from Alekin to Detlas? That be neat. And the team can probably make a brief skippable cutscene that shows like the outside view of the wagon as it leaves thru the tunnel and stuff, and have it cut to your model hopping out of the wagon with animations like how the loot crates have

[hybrid gazelle]

that could work but yeah the focus of the project is to not change thing too much

so that kind of thing are wayy out of the scope of the project

[dry aspen]

yeah I get that

Honestly, what is the point of General Gracken? after the recent update he just looks like Admiral Aegis, just replace Aegis with Gracken or the other way around, it'd make either of the two more relevent characters

[hybrid gazelle]

General Graken likely just general for Nemract army specifically

while Admiral Aegis is admiral of Detlas army

[dry aspen]

that and even in the dungeon Gracken just stands there, picking his nose and being useless. was there a reason why he cant fight along with us or something

[hybrid gazelle]

There also general Eveni

who fucking die but yeah

and also admiral Amerigo

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh that more of technical limitation

cause in old version of the dungeon, you can send out Graken to help you in the fight

but that fight used to be like

sending soldiers to fight zombies and have them kill Charon

[dry aspen]

what about infested pit? that had TWO friendly npcs to help you

with the new update at least

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure that only occur once and that is recent update

relatively recent

compare to Underworld

[dry aspen]

they re-revamped the boss arena for rekindled iirc and Gracken now does less than he did previously

[hybrid gazelle]

oh no the revamp happen in 2.0

actually no

I dont remember

it's pre rekindled that for sure

they did not do much for Charon in rekindled

[dry aspen]

I mean, if they sorta neutered og underworld and keep spellbound charon [only updated corrupted boss besides redbeard?] then that can create an avenue where the corrupted bosses can have more complex attacks instead of just having more health. There's a video on YT somewhere [cant find it atm it's on there tho] where you can see players running around and sealing tombs that arent there in the arena anymore after the rekindled update

here it is https://youtu.be/TdKACyvpA0U

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeag because Charon spell is like

there some bug to it I think

IDK dont remember anymore, you can scroll up to see selvut talk about it

but charon is a mess

[dry aspen]

ah I see. tragic. maybe he can get some love on some other update

dedicated Charon major update: "The Charon Update" where every enemy is charon now, no more fun

🤣

[drifting aurora]

we'll give graken more to do when charon sees changes

[vestal rivet]

graken was kinda funny once he was given the english accent

[drifting aurora]

he's never not had it

[vestal rivet]

idr him having it when I first did his quest like 2 years ago
but it has been 2 years

[regal spire]

I miss spam spawning Graken in the 1.14.2 iteration of Charon

Out of every boss in the game, that might’ve been the most uniquely played one, if not cheesed

[hybrid gazelle]

I think Charon having some connection with Bak’al would be cool way to hint Bak’al early on and set up for his future appearance

I like the idea of Charon hide away so he would not compete with Bak’al and just been building up his army for all this time

And when you get to defeat him, he will say something along the line of “There will be worse await for you”

Idk feel like there a lot you can do with Charon

Which is really funny because like

This character who essentially a poorly referenced Greek mytho that only reference the source in surface level

Could be early game villain

[dim plover]

Nah he had it back then as well

[regal spire]

Graken was introduced in 1.14.2, with the updated Zombie Dungeon into the UC we know now—minus the boss. He’s always had that silly way of speaking, though it is lessened in the dungeon itself

[lone charm]

WHAT
That's what the fight is meant to be?
I just killed him in 10 sec as acro

[slender copper]

Are art pieces with lore allowed here or should I post the image in #your_work and then link to my lore rant here?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean Ywah I guess

[slender copper]

Alright then-

Wanting to do a D&D version of Wynncraft, I did the first deity drawn character.
Lylak (pronounced Lilac) is a chaotic deity which represents chaos and the essence of War and Corruption itself.
They present themselves as a fallen warrior, based on the Wynncraft archetype Fallen Warrior and styled like Mask; the god of Trickery D&D.

[slim belfry]

fun to see the fallen archetype as a template for characters like this

[dry aspen]

I had an idea for a fallen character where he was exposed to the corruption and was trained by the troms magic... Folk... I guess... In order to be able to sort of only allow himself to come to the brink of losing himself. Using his power never became easier, tho. He just is able to know his own limits

[vapid night]

wow this is so cool!!!

guys i wanna talk about an items lore

whats up with trance's lore? its kinda like... cryptic? i dunno how to explain it

[digital swan]

when colorized version of wynn soldiers eating sweaters tho

[quartz mist]

The shadows grow. They grow like flooded plantlife, like the thoughts that come to you as you lay on your side and pretend to sleep. They sprout in the traceries of the rainsoaked windows and in the birdcage and beneath your bedcovers, and darker yet darker they grow.

This is no ordinary dark. Reach out now and it would feel like moss beneath your hand. Its edges are sharp. You can feel it scrape as it passes over you. It shaves you mannequin-smooth. It forces its way past your lips and down your throat and the darkness hollows you out until only darkness remains. It comes from the secret places: the doors you never opened, the dusty corners where you like to hide, the corners of your eyes and the cracks in your heart. It always finds you.

If you were to go outside. To slip out of the bed and walk barefoot out the door and onto the drenched streets where the asphalt digs like fingernails into your soles, through this illusion of other lives. You would see it. How the shadows lattice across the world, form widening palms and innumerable fingers. You would see these hands reach out through the soft wet dark.

They are my hands. They are my fingers. I am reaching now, from within and without. You can avert your eyes, or run to your secret places, or stand still and stay silent and hope that the rain will pass. Nothing will change. I will always find you.

---

You think about a world where everything is the same, except you don’t exist.

Everything functions perfectly without you.

that is an excerpt from a fic that partway inspired the lore

[digital swan]

SENTIENT CREEPER

[vapid night]

wow thats interesting, but what does this mean? sorry im a little dumb!!

[quartz mist]

This is actually a passage from a Deltarune fic, written after only the demo. The author stated it was a mood piece trying to capture the feeling of unease of realizing that Kris had a life completely outside of the player that is being interrupted by the players' presence, "that Kris is beleaguered by negative influences “within and without,” and the people around them are unable to fully explain or understand it." That inspired the specific prose of the lore...but the lore itself

[digital swan]

where do you Find these

btw

[quartz mist]

It's intentionally a bit vague and feelingsy, as if it's a third party watching on, and commanding- a hypnotist slowly dropping YOU into trance the more you drop the enemies into trance- pulling on your strings from afar as you are powerless to stop it. It is a command that you pass on through the enemies, effectively

[vapid night]

so trance is an evil wand that controls others and you or something similar? simplified?

[digital swan]

does this mean I can actually use the "following orders" defence because I was in a trance

[quartz mist]

Depends on your viewpoint, whether you consider that an evil action, and given there is no other statement given on what the purpose of it is, what this mysterious third party intends to do WITH that control.

[vapid night]

interesting

now i wonder where does trance come from? i know you get it from annie but whats its actual origin

[quartz mist]

Like I said, it's something I wanted to leave vague and feelingsy rather than tying it to anything specific.

[vapid night]

oooohh okay

thats pretty cool

[digital swan]

Could it not just be a corrupt creation

wouldn't be surprised if some pit of hell managed to turn a random stick sentient and evil

seemed to work well enough on panic zealot

[vapid night]

it gives me dernic origin vibes

like how dernic influence turned a relik into the panic zealot

you knoww?

[digital swan]

isn't it a little much bloodthirsty

to originate in a place other than the realm of constant fighting

[molten escarp]

tying all of those mythics to corruption seems a little tricky
particularly since resonance has Particular lore

[vapid night]

i doubt its corruption but who knows

[digital swan]

surely corrupt influence could turn a stick into a sentient evil uhh puppetmasterstick

[vapid night]

the thing is i think the only one that comes from corruption is bloodbath, the rest somehow ended in the cache

[digital swan]

light influence could probably also do that tbh turn an object into a sentient friendly lightstick

wait so that's how flashlights were invented

[vapid night]

woa

[digital swan]

when dern update comes out, will a level 103 quest introducing The Nameless Anomaly release
since after all
Realm of Light I: The Worm Holes, introducing Nest of the Grootslangs
so therefore
Realm of Dern I: The Void Holes, introducing The Nameless Anomaly?

[vapid night]

are there any mythics that have a connection with dern? im kinda curious now

aside from my theory of trance being related to that

[quartz mist]

Don't think I can say much about that.

[vapid night]

oh oops okay

[digital swan]

Convergence?

Could be the Dern void or Ahms void

[vapid night]

whats convergence's lore? let me check

[digital swan]

void

[digital swan]

@quartz mist what can you say about this

[vapid night]

i dont think he can say much about this

dern is a very like secret topic or something

ill look through all the mythics and see what i can find

[digital swan]

Singularity?

It's cosmic

and if it's cosmic that like half/half dern tbh

after all the invasion of the Silent Expanse started with meteors

[vapid night]

i thought it was the portal

[warm adder]

thiis owuld kinda make sense but tna is already established but i feel like its just kinda thrown in there with EO

[vapid night]

so far im looking at trance, convergence, and divzer

[hybrid gazelle]

Selvut is it true that

[vapid night]

hello trashie!!

[hybrid gazelle]

Hello

[vapid night]

i am checking out mythics lore

to see which ones might be tied to darkness

[hybrid gazelle]

That neat

[vapid night]

divzer says "unruly magics of void and darkness are tamed within this bow's string"

[hybrid gazelle]

I thst remind me I have document for rewrite mythic lore lol

[digital swan]

hear me out RoD 1 TNA, RoD 2 the corruption under the obelisk OR the dark obelisk's past, RoD 3 who the fuck knows maybe witness church, RoD 4 you find Lari again and either kill her or deliver her to Dullahan to be tortured, RoD 5 you meet this guy

[vapid night]

oh really? how is that going?

[digital swan]

https://tenor.com/view/kot-gif-8238624761352288147

[hybrid gazelle]

Kinda abandoned since I got bored

[warm adder]

yay i can kill lari

[digital swan]

YAY

[hybrid gazelle]

But I did manage to write some mythic

[warm adder]

but whats rod 5

[digital swan]

you get to meet this guy

[warm adder]

meet dern?

[digital swan]

.

dern beast

[warm adder]

oh

[vapid night]

can i seeee? or is it still a wip

[warm adder]

huh

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah sure wait

[warm adder]

the cat

[vapid night]

yay

[digital swan]

this is what the dern beast will actually look like

btw

[hybrid gazelle]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/15r9rpX3FyDTXA5YWStW0VZ32-hj0YyyogaGhV-aquvw/edit?usp=drivesdk

This connected to wartorn project

[digital swan]

what is wartorn project

[hybrid gazelle]

So a lot of lore refernece pull from that rather than actual canon

[digital swan]

will it allow us to bayonet eyefolk

[vapid night]

i see!! youre like adding more bits of lore for some and rewriting others, i like the cataclysm one a lot, but maybe there could be a reason why it gives so much negative hp?

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh you holding essentially a reality ripping blade so like

Probably not gonna be good for you

Also you can take rhat as you are not compatible since you are not an olm

[vapid night]

yes thats fair

[hybrid gazelle]

Working on quest to introduce siege game mode

[violet vector]

Why don't almuj desert and mesa have corruption?

Is it bc they're too far away?

I think desert might have a little but not alot

[violet vector]

Even nesaak was ravaged by corruption before theo freeze and it's pretty far away

[hybrid gazelle]

it is far away but yeah there is corruption in mesa

somewhat

some patch of is corrupted and you can see some corrupted mobs there

like devils and undead

[hybrid gazelle]

I think those just exist before Theorick freezing

but again Nesaak is old

in term of like development

[violet vector]

Corruption is barely in almuj desert where logically there should be undead

But then again corruption spread makes no sense

Detlas is like 200 metres away 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Detlas likely very well defense

and corruption is not like those type of corruption that spread like algae or sentient slime or whatever

it spread through roots

so theoritcally, if you were to keep the roots in check

you can prevent corruption from spreading further

cause from what we know so far from observation

corruption cant presist on its own for too long

as you can see with battle between Lari and Parasite

spikes seems necessery in order for corruption to presist

[violet vector]

Oh ic

So like the undead are their agents of transport

And they fight defenders so the roots can grow

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess??

the purpose of undead is not really sure

and that way of thinking feel like corruption is too organize

when reality it's literally chaos itself

[violet vector]

If the roots could just spread anywhere then it doesnt make sense why bakal needs giant army

[hybrid gazelle]

because Bak'al is not with corruption

Corruption is more of a tool to him than something to be affiliated with

So far Bak'al can control only undead

and take this with grain of salt

talking to some CT implying somehting like Annie would likelyt to kill Bak'al

[violet vector]

Hes still only corrupted tho, it makes sense that he would be trying to make corrupted spread

[hybrid gazelle]

this back up by the fact that CoW willingly fight against bak'al and his army

[hybrid gazelle]

bak'al being "corrupted" is dubious

as being corrupted kinda depend on your view

[violet vector]

? thats interesting

I dont remember that tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

Corruption itself is a wild card

[hybrid gazelle]

a hunter's calling

Bak'al directly state that CoW once fought his army

[violet vector]

Ya normal corrupted just attacks anything, while bakal seems to have motives

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that from what I gather

I think it easier to understand

when you identify corrupted stage as the point where you become reanimated by corruption

aka undead

but for example people from Angry Village would not be call corrupted

as they are still recoverable and only influence by corruption

so if you following this definition

[violet vector]

My belief is that corrupted people will just be insane and attack everything that is not undead, basically zombies

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al and Theorick are not consider corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

then you kinda have to kinad count the angry vilalge people

which that kind of definition

it kinda confusing because like

that mean some corrupted are recovrable while some are not

that why I use this definition because it easier to identify

and it make sense to why there seperation between influenced by corruption and being actually corrupted

because the thing is

from what I see

[violet vector]

Angry village people arent corrupted imo, they are just influenced by the corruption in some way

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah which mean they are not corrupted

but they are shown the sign that will kill each other

at certain point

so this is my theory where like

[violet vector]

U mean corrupted village right, angry village was retconned

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah corrupted village

whatever it is

from what I heard corruption reanimation are more like

the hatred from corruption itself animate the body and object

so I feel like the undead are more by product

since corruption hate life itself and it would use life's creation to further its goal to wiping all life from existence

and corruption has some infighting as I talk to the person who design the devils said that all the wound you see on devils are inflicted by each other

so there are not really order in corruption

but yeah Bak'al does not really do anything for corruption
we dont really know yet

but consider his self automony it likely that he is not entirely influence by corruption and therefore his own indivudal

so that why I hestitant to call him a corrupted

the same apply to Theorick

[violet vector]

When Bob defeated bakal, apparently corruption could no longer spread to Ragni tho

Hes def a big part of corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

the recent sewer of Ragni quest

literally state that undead been pushing people into the capital

Bak'al is big part because he organize his army of undead to destory cities in Wynn province

the corruption simply take advantage of the fact there literally no one able to fight against it to its advantage by spreading even more

when Bak'al defeated, that just mean all of his udnead army are no longer a problem and now wynn people can focus on the issue of corruption itself

but the recent development in Ragni sewer imply that corruption still a big problem even without Bak'al

annie even an evidence of this

also I dont think it even state that corruption no longer spread to Ragni when Bak'al defeat

it just undead no longer have organization

the root likely spread as normal

[violet vector]

Ya but other than spreading corruption for the sake of spreading corruption, what other motive would he have?

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

Bak'al serve dern beast

we know that

[violet vector]

Hmm sorry i dont rly know that much about that

[hybrid gazelle]

he still seems to serve dern beast during corruption war

but we dont know how causing corruption war in Wynn province further Dern Beast plan

[violet vector]

So its prob to dern beast's advantage

[hybrid gazelle]

so whatever happen in corruption war is part of Dern Beast plan but we dont know any thing yet

Bak'al as character right now is unfinish
lack introductory and most of his relevance lock behind secrect discoveries

[silver path]

def late to the party but the new music video on wynncraft has this log, probably from the archer's viewpoint on the coast, although the fact that it gives archer "deja vu" can imply that the coast and floating islands are present in fruma, where the player originaly came from

yeah there's different logs from every class on each wynncraft ost, the class is shown from the cover. For example, Military March has Warrior in the art and has this log.

this one is from TNA "The Abyss Stares Back", probably implying that greg is some sort of person trapped in a state of whatever he's in. It doesn't really make sense for one of the classes to write this log, as they write the logs afterwards the battle/event, and if so then this doesn't really match their writing.

This is much less important to the lore but you can actually see their personalities/writing styles in the logs. This one is from the assassin, writing about the mage and warrior rushing into the raid. There's another one in "Adventure" that shows that the mage really likes to talk in a sort of poetic form.

[nocturne cave]

Nice spots

[dim plover]

@regal spire Ok I was trying to find the Royal Garb Candara image during this conversation and I accidentally stumbled across it yesterday

Here you go

Even on first appearance I basically tried to display all the Sovereigns’ personalities from just their poses alone

As much as Wynncraft allows, anyway

[digital swan]

whar is this from a teaser or smth