📚lore_discussion

[vestal rivet]

so the miners sealed it then

probably the miners that made the map too then?

[exotic yew]

I don't think the miners went that far?

[vestal rivet]

we know some went as far as Lutho

[exotic yew]

I mean if they reached lutho I don't think they'd comeback

[vestal rivet]

although whether or not they went that far before they were sealed in is unknown

[exotic yew]

Considered lutho was built later on

Yes lutho was built around the obelisk by humans

[vestal rivet]

we also know the SE spreads
I'm guessing the map was made while it was only just becoming noticeable, and not kills-you-horribly-in-seconds-of-doing-literally-anything bad yet

[vestal rivet]

I thought they were running/hiding/made a camp and were praying for dear life as they couldn't run any longer THEN the obelisk appeared THEN the rest of Lutho was built

doesn't explain the other obelisk though

[exotic yew]

idk

oh

actually

no

lutho was build before the light was even there

[chilly tulip]

Do we know about any of the leaders of Wynn Excavation besides Amadel? Do they know about the SE? The Eye? They probably have some knowledge of where the crystals came from as shown in A Wynnic Excavation, so do you think they tried getting past the Black Geist and to the meteors source?

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk lmao they outdated af

[cerulean osprey]

the brothers (yahya,mehme,nohno,sohso) worked on gavel excavation but idk anything about wynnexcavation staff besides amadel

[hybrid gazelle]

Also in pretty sure from ct

The crystal stuff in discovery literally has no meaning

Idk why they put it there but one of them tell me it just there as filler

King Ragni do mention Wynnex still exist after Amadel die but like

Again this is really old shit and we have no idea how the rewrite going to be like

So trying to connecting it to new information such as SE just hard to do

Cause again this is mixing outdated info to relatively more recent one

[cerulean osprey]

i wonder if we get a third "come back later to clear floor x" quest in fruma like we have ToA and Qira

[dim plover]

(I should mention that Sohso wasn’t actually one of the scientists)

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I don’t thjnk we getting one

At best I imagine it like legendary island

[dim plover]

Sohso wasn’t affected by meteor insanity and Purple and Blue specified 3 people that went insane

[hybrid gazelle]

Where no specific quest assign to it but exist as content

[cerulean osprey]

did sohso leave before or did he ever work there

[dim plover]

If he did he probably might have gotten affected too tbh

Idk it’s never mentioned

[digital swan]

There are two eyes known

The Wynnexcavation guys know at least one of them

in WExC during the meeting they say "May the dark's gaze forever watch over us"

We can assume that that's not The Eye because otherwise Troms would technically be controlled by Dern through proxy and that puts us at risk of Dernel Jungle jokes

My guess is that it's a reference to the dark artifact called the "Eye of Blood" from the level 72 removed quest Eye of the Storm

[vapid night]

fallen is so cool i like corruption!!

[dim plover]

I was wondering why they changed the text from “The Eye” to “The Dark’s Gaze”

I guess they retconned it

[dim plover]

Why would they reference removed content

(Also why would that be what they specifically referenced the Eye of Blood served like zero story purpose)

[digital swan]

what other eye

what other dark eye besides naragath

[dim plover]

Idk The Eye is the dark eye we know of

[digital swan]

.

can't be THE Eye

[dim plover]

I mean, I guess it isn’t anymore?

The old dialogue for WynnEx D is “May The Eye watch over us”

Played through the quest myself

[digital swan]

WExC or WExD

[dim plover]

They changed it a few years back to that

I played both versions of the quest

[digital swan]

WExC is "May the dark's gaze"

[dim plover]

They changed “The Eye” to “the dark’s gaze”

I assume to not reveal The Eye’s name too early

[dim plover]

Misremembered, sorry

I mean the section when we are sneaking around the meeting

[digital swan]

like what update

1.19 itself?

[dim plover]

Uhhh I think so yeah

Back then when The Eye was still some unknown threat it was pretty common knowledge that WynnEx served or worshipped it or smth

It’s probably different now but still

Idk what other dark gaze could exist in modern Wynncraft

[digital swan]

ye so Naragath was removed in 1.20 no

?

So it could as well have originally referred to Naragath

[dim plover]

Ok but why Naragath though

He has like no story influence outside of that one quest

[digital swan]

Because the only two real "dark eyes" are the Eye of Blood and The Eye

[dim plover]

Then why is Naragath more believable than The Eye

[digital swan]

isn't the original Gavel Excavation company like close to the Kander Forest

all the staff are villagers

maybe Kander villagers, maybe Naragath Cultists

how the hell would a bunch of Villagers in Cinfras or Gylia find out about The Eye

[dim plover]

Probably when they moved to Wynn, idk?

The company is WynnExcavation now

And The Eye’s near Wynn

[digital swan]

ig

[dim plover]

(Still wild that Naragath is even an option)

Technically yes the quest is called Eye of the Storm

And the item is the Eye of Blood

But I struggle to connect them and the WynnEx company despite being geographically near each other

Or rather, the funny Naragath hand and like one of the abandoned GavelExcavation sites near each other

Actually wait was the GavelExcavation discovery even a thing when Eye of the Storm was removed

[digital swan]

:bartek:

[atomic crown]

ok

[quartz mist]

i thought the eye of blood thing they were talking about was a joke cause of how far fetched it is as a concept

[regal spire]

Nagareth isn’t even dark, though

They’re a demon, which are entirely separate entities from darkness

[quartz mist]

EOTS couldnt even keep straight whether naragath was corrupted or dark anyways, plus he was removed waaay before demon lore of any kind came to be

so the real answer is that naragath is neither light, dark, or corrupted because he Does Not Exist

[regal spire]

Well, TECHNICALLY, he still exists, but as a gag reference that nobody can remember

Other than a Pastor Awres (I forgot the name exactly)

[digital swan]

Arwes

[digital swan]

I mean can we be sure that when he says "Na.. I can't remember" or whatever that he refers to Naragath?

are we sure it's not salted and he just mixed up s and n

(if it's not obvious. this is bullshitting)

[digital swan]

(this is also bullshitting.)

[quartz mist]

yeah thats what i figured

[digital swan]

I have the feeling that I'm the only person who likes A Wynnic Excavation

(this is NOT bullshitting)

[tropic horizon]

So, I just got done doing the Grave Mistakes quest

and I was curiously if someone knows what the hell the eye thing was being worshiped

[regal spire]

I’d assume it’s got to do with that neighboring region

[digital swan]

maybe a relative

[hybrid gazelle]

according to CT I talk to

They haven o idea LOL

grave mistake was quest that made during the time where like

cutscene script was new

so entirely the quest litearlly just experiment on what they could do with the new script that they got during the time

and with how old the quest is

[slim belfry]

wasnt that a halloween quest so it's just whatever

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure yeah

it was halloween quest

I pretty sure whatever that was planned kinda got scrap along the way

so best thing we can do rn is wait for Twain-related quest to be rewrite

because I highly dbout around that time, the CT have though about SE LOL

consider wynncraft back then simply just a minecraft first

But if we were to take it as fact

honestly I dont even know why would Twain even worship or know of something SE

[digital swan]

you can see SE lookin spikes to the east tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

The build is old so it could be concidence

as of right now we dont know

but if TWain were to have connection with SE

there has to be a good reason for it rather than being mention on the side

but I feel like that direction has too much hassle for it to work

when Twain could be focus on what already make them intresting which is the family dynamic and morality clash between Theorick and the rest of his family

[vapid night]

what are acolytes actually summoning when they use eldritch call? i dont recall any beings with red tentacles in wynncraft

[quartz mist]

I mean, it says right in the ability description

[vapid night]

wait really?

[digital swan]

"4 nightmarish tentacles"

[vapid night]

yes but like

[quartz mist]

the aforementioned "nightmarish tentacles" were never meant to be part of any specific creature, but like manifestations of the blood magic or whatever

[digital swan]

ig they're just tentacles

[vapid night]

ooohhh okay

[hybrid gazelle]

archetype in the game are not awlays meant to follow the canon lore

[digital swan]

however. if you need something to imagine. The Eye has red tentacles

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH feel like could be protray better cause the tentacle feel more like actual creature due to the additonal spike and stuff

rather than being true blood construct

[quartz mist]

you mean the suckers on the tentacles?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but there also the spike too

the underbelly also make it look like it's a creature LOL

[quartz mist]

I'm not seeing the spike you're referring to

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH with under belly it look more like lizard tial or something reptilian LOL

these things

it like bit of pixel extending out

[digital swan]

SNAKE

[quartz mist]

...that looks smooth

[hybrid gazelle]

then IDK lol the way it was colored feel more like lizard tail than tentacle LOL

[quartz mist]

that just looks like the bits where the rectangles overlap

[digital swan]

snake much

?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it like that

[tacit mural]

I think they mean these spikes

[hybrid gazelle]

feel like making it eitrely red would protray the idea of the tentacle entirely made of blood better

[quartz mist]

oh.

tbh I don't think I ever noticed them

those are so small and subtle

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah they are very small

but the way theyu are shape make them feel like a spike

[digital swan]

or yknow just turn it into an actual snake.

you quite literally can never have too many snakes

[hybrid gazelle]

additional detail really make the tentacle feel more like actual creatuer rather than magical contruct

so I feel like if those are remove and more texture that convey the idea of this thing being made of blood

I feel like it would translate the inital idea better than what it currently in the game

because if you show off this design, I think most people will first though that this belong to a creature

because why else these detail would exist such as the underbelly and the spike

something that magical construct would not have due to consisting of one element

[quartz mist]

that feels like an extremely narrow view of magical constructs

where in the rulebook does it say all that anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

I just saying from experience because when you put these detials such as underbelly, it kinda can cause the viewers to have the wrong idea rather than the intended

it not really a rule but it definitely would help conveying the intended idea

while I see the need of adding suckle or spike in order to make the tentacle not feel like one color

due to how specific blood is as element to make construct(unlike rock and stone, blood as element does not really have many pallete to work with)

[dim plover]

Hi all what’s up

Oh hey we’re talking about Acolyte tentacles that’s cool

[hybrid gazelle]

having sucker or spike kinda brought into question of why these things should have it if it was created for specific purpose, it like imagine what if this sea elemental have detailed underbelly instead being water

[dim plover]

I’m not too sure what exactly Acolyte’s theming is but I was always felt that the (back then) newly added tentacles felt a bit too aquatic-themed

[hybrid gazelle]

Blood have association with cultist theme and tentacle have association with eldritch

so those two combine, the tentacles do have a place in acolyte theming

[cerulean osprey]

don't tell me acolyte is trying to summon the eye :D

thru ecall

[hybrid gazelle]

but the idea can definitely be convey beter

The eldritch in this likely not refering to Dern

cause as Selvut said

it's manifestation of blood magic

rather than something dark related

to continue from exmaple
Like imagine if this earth elemental have toe nail or organic looking spike

it would kinda give off different vibe

instead of being fully magical elemental

While yes I can imagine there are exception that can make those detials work

it just did not really work out in this case for Acolyte's tentacle

[dim plover]

Oh btw I have feedback on Rymek Luke after running around the guy for like fifteen minutes

Where do I talk about it in outside of making a new thread

[hybrid gazelle]

because it do look like part of a larger being

[dim plover]

I guess main would do

[hybrid gazelle]

due to all the details that hint the idea of it being organic creature rather than magical construct made from one element

[vapid night]

thatd be awesome!!

[hybrid gazelle]

but then again I understand the idea of making tentacle being one color would be boring design choice

so maybe focus on the sillhoute of the tentacle as its desing

due to its element being made from liquid matter

water elements kinda hard to make intresting detail due to how like

specific the element is

it not rock where there can be different pallete, coloration, and other thing that could come up rock like tree root or entire tree

so that why I suggest to focus on sillhoute rather than the detail of the texture

but yeah acolyte theming does not seem dern related

being eldritch does not really automitcally mean Dern

[vapid night]

grr wheres dern archetype

[warm adder]

darn

[hybrid gazelle]

funnily enough the closet thing we have

is shadestepper LMAO

NOt directly relaterd to Dern

but like

[vapid night]

...shadestepper??

[hybrid gazelle]

it's shadestepper

Shade

[warm adder]

step into the shade

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[hybrid gazelle]

Realm of Dark

Shade

[vapid night]

now hear me out

dark wizard mage reskin

i know its not an archetype but you know

[hybrid gazelle]

probalby if they ever update VIP class

but yeah I kinad wish people focus more on Dern on primdioal darkness

the reason eldritch horror work so well with Dern as its thematic

[vapid night]

i just like eldritch stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

is because eldritch horror often related to cosmic or deep sea

[cerulean osprey]

or add any more class reskins

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

[hybrid gazelle]

those two places often associate with eternal darkenss

because like space literally just

space of darkness

while deep sea is

deep sea

I think darkness devil serve as one of the best inspiration for Dern Beast and by extension anything dern related

because it more about the abstraction of darkness which can be unknown, unarming, mystery, and all kind of thing that come associate with darkness

I just prefer Realm beasts to be more abstract rather than just being of dark or light

they carry the abstract meaning that associate with what they are manifest of

[digital swan]

wtf is this and what is panic zealot doing over there

[vapid night]

PANIC ZEALOT!!

[warm adder]

zanic pelot

[hybrid gazelle]

drawing this quick sketch on how tiny detail could impact the overall design

I kinda draw different design base on in game model and what I think could work better to convey the original intention

the second one that I assume to be closet to the in game design

kinda feel very organic in a way

[violet vector]

If the blacksmith is a villager, then why are there blacksmiths in Lutho, the Void, and Eltom?

This doesn't make sense

[warm adder]

the blacksmith is like the cameraman

[hybrid gazelle]

technical limitation

they cant have blacksmith NPC be anything other than villager

a CT said that this have been improve in Frumau pdate but I am not sure if that is true due to all promotional still say otherwise

but likely still in the work

but yeah villager apperance in Corkus and other palce that should not are simply technical limitation

[violet vector]

Interesting

Ig they have it tied to the npc

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah pretty sure that what it is

because it very old stuff they did not have time to update

[limber swan]

why does the trademarket have human npcs then

both the trademarket and blacksmith use the same kind of stuff right?

it shouldn't be that hard to change the npcs

[dim plover]

Feel like it’s more of a gameplay thing than anything

That and yeah no I’ve asked before

They really can’t lol

Not sure why they’re hardcoded to the point where their models can’t be changed easily but nothing we can do

Maybe Fruma update will break that

[vapid night]

hey trashie you've made like wynncraft ocs right? if i remember correctly

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[vapid night]

can i see them? its for each archetype right?

[hybrid gazelle]

I have more OC

[vapid night]

woa whats the like eldritch looking one? the tall one with the purple hole on their chest

i like that one a lot

[hybrid gazelle]

Riftwalker

He is an olm

after being exposure to Dern and left behind in it, his body undergo transformation

there also non arhcetype OC

[digital swan]

• Obsessor
• Is just too powerful to be warped by void like the rest (but is still immortal)
• He's a chill one not the evil kind

[vapid night]

oooh thats awesome!!

[vapid night]

corruption snake!!

also very cool

[hybrid gazelle]

there more character that act as side character for archetype character

[vapid night]

i have an oc myself but its not a wynncraft oc, though it would be cool to change up the story so it fits the universe of wynn, then id technically have a wynncraft oc!!

my pfp is some art of my character, though its not the full image

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

TBH mostly make these OC as experimentation to expanding wynncraf world

I dont really have persona LOL

[vapid night]

oh you dont? well i personally think they're cool

[digital swan]

the Silent Expanse Lootrun Chief is also an obsessor

and the final boss of the game is the Key Collector (this is why he has the authority to collect our keys, especially for Eldritch Outlook, he is secretly the Dern Beast)

[hybrid gazelle]

Mostly because I dont really like myself enough to make persona beside this trashbin in my PFP LOL

[vapid night]

oh um im sorry to hear

you dont like yourself?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah nah not that much lol

beside having more fun making OC for wynncraft

[vapid night]

do you wanna talk about it or do you wanna move on from that? ive experienced something like this before i think

[hybrid gazelle]

nah it good

[vapid night]

okay

well i like the ocs youve made

[hybrid gazelle]

thanks you lol

[vapid night]

yea no problem!!

i like the fallen oc a lot too

but my favorite is probably the riftwalker one

[hybrid gazelle]

these characters are long coming lol they been develop for over a years

different iteration been made

probably more in the future as wynncraft lroe getting change and adjusted

[vapid night]

yea the character i have has also evolved over the years, now i like it a lot!! if i made my oc into wynncraft, it would probably be some dern related creature, though i dont think theres a lot of info on dern right?

what do we know about dern?

[hybrid gazelle]

uhhh

it opposing light

and it try to unify everything

and that pretty much it

there not much to know about Dern that why I never really focus on it

[vapid night]

the creatures that we see in SE come from the portal right? i know it should be obvious but i wanna ask still

the entirety of SE comes from the portal actually no?

[hybrid gazelle]

not all of them

[vapid night]

really?

[hybrid gazelle]

some like Kantry are from Dern

Some of them like Fool eater are mutated native life of SE

[vapid night]

ooohhh

[hybrid gazelle]

so we got invasive spieces from Dern but also mutated native spieces

[vapid night]

are lutho people mutated? they look very different from a regular human

[hybrid gazelle]

not really htey just soulless

they just husk of their former selves

but they are like mutated invidaul in Toxic waste but I pretty sue that more like

mutated by the toxic waste

[vapid night]

why is there toxic waste? is that a part of dern too?

[violet vector]

Immortal blacksmith 🔥

[hybrid gazelle]

Toxic Waste used to be one organism but mutated and assilimate with the land itself

so like

what used to be toxic waste could be anything

[vapid night]

wait really? ive never heard of this where did you find this info?

[vapid night]

wow

[vapid night]

hey @hybrid gazelle what archetype do you think is the closest to darkness? like dern

[crystal cliff]

Sus

[dim plover]

I’m not Trashie but Wynncraft does use Water and Thunder as stand-ins for Light and Dark respectively

I misread the message

Probably Shadestepper

[vapid night]

oh why shadestepper?

[dim plover]

But then again Shadestepper doesn’t have any obvious Dernic themes to it

[dim plover]

Idk it has a Dark aesthetic

Not Dernic but

Still

Kinda weird that we have archetypes for Light and Corruption but not Darkness though

[vapid night]

yea thats what im wondering too

only darkness stuff ive seen in classes is the dark wizard reskin and maybe shadestepper right?

[molten escarp]

the definitions for light and dark feel a vague at times
there's a good handful of light and dark thematic stuff that ends up as thunder

[vestal rivet]

If shade got dern theming like LB has light teeming I think that'd be cool

[slim belfry]

interesting that there's no archetype with an obvious dark connection yet we have light bender with light and fallen with corruption

I know that acolyte is not directly dern as it's blood theme but it makes me think of how panic zealot works really well with acolyte

[cunning flower]

panic zealot is a certified summoner weapon bc it spawn minions fastrer

[slim belfry]

true

[cyan sapphire]

where each twain brother has been found except dwendle

[hybrid gazelle]

Dwendle fuck off and start his own family

[cyan sapphire]

Pattern - each non- theorick brother leaves the region of nessak kinda - rickeo to the jungle, mael to the mansion, and dwendle must have left to wynn

i'd hope he isn't far

idk if there are windmills in the area, but maybe he went there to farm for a while

[cerulean osprey]

i hope we get some dwendle lore

about where he went after you gave them the journal

[cyan sapphire]

remind me which journal?

I suppose its a long shot he's still alive

i think we're at 1000 AP and the brother's fought 400 years prior

[cyan sapphire]

oh my god

what is bro DOIN

[regal spire]

Potential Elkurn lore

[digital swan]

beings of great power according to the mushroom :bartek:

[dim plover]

What even is Phantom Twain in lore

Is it literally just a random haunting ghost

[digital swan]

if gyran is a twain like he once says he is whos descendant is he

[hybrid gazelle]

Twain from FNAF 3

probably some old shit cosnider the entire twain area is like outdated lore

[hybrid gazelle]

his ass AINT ALIVE

he literally got descendent in form of Twendle

Also other Twain living that long as it is already a stretch

Dwendle manage live up to 1000 AP would be geniunely insane

he would be like more thasn 5 times odler than Bob

it more possible that he just settle to have his own family and die of old age or in duty at some point

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I more believe that Ekurn founded after 900 AP or somewhere when WYnn recover

cause therej ust no way that town live during the worst of corruption war

post 900 AP is more plausible because they ahve more protection and thing just less crazy than old time when Bob was not around

[regal spire]

I could see it being a recent settlement, just as a way to keep better tabs on potential civilizations and corrupteds. But, at the same time, I can also see Elkurn having been previously established, aided by Dwendle, but destroyed during a raid, or potential Ba’kal encounter

There are also significantly older buildings, like the church, that give reason for me to believe it was an older settlement

[hybrid gazelle]

actually yeah

I feel like

if there is graveyard

it coudl be that it's pre-corruption war

LOL

like pre or early corruption war stuff

[drifting aurora]

are you really taking him at his word

[drifting aurora]

in my mind elkurn is a settlement that has fairly old roots but has been settled and destroyed multiple times. it is close to the roots of corruption but the river provides a passive form of defense which blocks most random corrupt from walking over and destroying it

the modern settlement is mostly a research outpost basically

lots of unique types of magic surrounding it

[regal spire]

The big mage tower connected to Elkurn is kinda funny. Wonder if that’ll ever be changed, or if it’ll stay a semi remnant of the old tower of amnesia

(Also, there were two TOA’s back in the day, lol)

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that fair enough cause I totally forgot about the graveyard

[digital swan]

gyran believer
he also does have 6 mushroom arms but none of the mobs we face are major enough for him to use them (he's really lazy until he's actually threatened) 😔

like for example if we were fighting against Yahya's true final form (not yknow the weak one that the player dreams up while tripping) that would probably merit his attention

[dim plover]

We should take all dialogue at face value

(Thinking takes effort and I don’t like it)

[digital swan]

see the fact that gyran has been to fruma, recognizes the realm of light, may have visited the Silent Expanse, and is pretty much driven by greed already makes him top 3 wynncraft characters tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

Thinking about it again it seems that corruption have some fear of water as river is enough to keep deter them

so as the sea

honsetly my take on this is that if the corruption indeed is anti-life itself

like this is how I interpret that if Corruption is indeed anti-life itself, it would make sense it has fear of water which is essentially where all life come from

because I dont think it just the fact that corruption association with fire being the sole reason to why corruption deter from water

as fire is more of byprodcut

rather than being directly link to corruption itself

[prime sand]

I think every wynn character is secretly a femboy

[tiny oracle]

TRUE LORE

[crystal cliff]

Woman or femboy fr

Everyone no hesitation thinks you're a good looking chick during one of the quests!!

[sharp shell]

fem???

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-cat-kitty-gif-6540808372197226742

[digital swan]

it's confirmed no

?

[crystal cliff]

A lot of quests play in-between or leave it vague) (using they/them for example)

[slim rampart]

Do the Fabled weapons have any lore?

[crystal cliff]

but it is a fact that you are assumed to be and seen as a conventionally pretty woman

[slim rampart]

Or like, are there items with story significance in the game?

There's a good few thousand of them

I'm curious how much importance they hold to be consistent with the current lore

[crystal cliff]

you are in fact canonically a raider queen if you do all quests

[slim rampart]

that seems weird.

[crystal cliff]

or at least like rough charm pretty, we are talking pirates

[slim rampart]

Don't get me wrong, it's nice that there's A MMO where the quests are more feminine-oriented

[crystal cliff]

most leave it vague

intentionally

[slim rampart]

It's just that the illusion breaks incredibly hard once your powers start scaling ahead of the Quests

[crystal cliff]

?

[slim rampart]

For example, being knocked unconscious by a blow to the back of the head when you're running a Tank build?

Or not having an option to, well - react and not have it happen twice

Or wise up by the THIRD quest which happens when you get knocked in the back of the head

And also, if we can be knocked unconscious that easily, why aren't more antagonists entirely ambush-focused since it's so effective?

[crystal cliff]

I mean, more or less there are two ways

to see this

the first being that a tank build is your armor, so you being completely off-guard can be at least touched by other, fairly powerful mofos

and the second being that it's just meant to happen that way.

[slim rampart]

I guess it could be viewed as "the fight is the point when they've lost" but the game sure doesn't present it that way sometimes.

[crystal cliff]

so you are effected

we do know that your journey isn't just, like a thing that you do

[slim rampart]

I get that it has to happen for those quests to start

[crystal cliff]

you are actually being watched the entire time and higher powers reside over your progress

it is entirely possible that you being knocked out just ends up with a more difficult trial, which you grow more from, so some strings are pulled to make it happen

[slim rampart]

but it still feels like there's less control in my own hands I guess

[crystal cliff]

Yeah that's part of the theme

some of the quests literally call you a puppet on a string

I forget which but it should be like lvl 90s thereabouts

you are struggling with immense forces, and have immense enemies

[slim rampart]

oddly, I'm more bothered by this concept here than in Deltarune

[crystal cliff]

so you feel like a cheese-piece inbetween

[crystal cliff]

prolly cause its you

that its happening to

in Deltarune you're the perpetrator lol

[slim rampart]

Like, choices not mattering because who you control isn't making significant decisions

[crystal cliff]

they do kinda tbh

[slim rampart]

Only kind of

[crystal cliff]

you can stop

people being turned into living metal mush that are eternally in insane paini

or allow those to be made so others can be safe

there are some pretty cool choices in some quests

[slim rampart]

No, actually - I view myself as a guiding force for the character in-game, who I see and fight through. This goes for other games, where I view my avatars as separate characters from myself

[crystal cliff]

but I think

[slim rampart]

And if you replace the character with a bodyguard in most cases, nothing really changes

[crystal cliff]

the hero of Wynn like IS meant to be a good guy

like that does somewhat

limit character options since there are somewhat clear good and bad guys in most of these scenarios

[slim rampart]

Nevermind the Shaman, Blood-Acolyte, Fallen Warrior, Arcanist Mage, nevermind the Archer with it's high range and ability to just shoot the bad guy

[crystal cliff]

like do you side with the genocide or not!! not a crazy amount of realistic choices there besides being evil for fun, which is not super fulfilling anyway imo

[slim rampart]

my Shaman just got their Letvus Airbase passport through illegal means

I see them as more of a grey-area protagonist

[crystal cliff]

doing dirty stuff for a positive outcome is considered based by God actually

[slim rampart]

huh, nice

[crystal cliff]

not even joking, that's like the whole plot of RoL

Where there's someone that is like a generic pure good character

who refuses to kill no matter what

and she causes the entire plot and thousands of deaths because she refuses to kill a pure evil parasite, or stop some old mofos gone insane with power

[slim rampart]

oh, right

[crystal cliff]

she has like THE highest kill count in the game lmao

[slim rampart]

I didn't think that force was a full-on god, though

[crystal cliff]

closest thing to it

its not an actual omnipotent god, just a manifestation of light

and it has an equal counter-force

[slim rampart]

I find it a little underwhelming then?

Just thousands?

[crystal cliff]

We're not given exact numbers

I just came up with random shit

[slim rampart]

fair

[crystal cliff]

she caused destruction across more then one continent

so you put that where you will

its like end of the world, live draining from nature shit, not good

and she could've stopped the whole thing easily by getting her hands dirty twice

like you by lvl 2 would've saved the world in her position

[slim rampart]

While it's an effective story I think "limited power good guy struggling to do good in a corrupt system" has been done many, many times at this point.

It's just a stupidly simple/convenient plot setup for an MMO/environment where you need to set an equal tone for hundreds of different players sharing the same world space, I guess

[crystal cliff]

I honestly wouldn't call you limited, you just scale

you can fucking survive Lari crashing out on you(She is like one of the top five most powerful people in the setting borderline)

at what, like lvl 60 ?

and you can take slaps from a god at lvl like a 100

or so

you are pretty goated

[slim rampart]

Meeting nobody who sticks around definitely makes the story a bit harder to enjoy because my character is just an NPC, but playable, unlike most of the others.

[crystal cliff]

some people from early on and quests do come back

Lari is returning, some of your early bodies come back

[slim rampart]

That's the thing though, most of the questgivers I've given are all at a similar "definitely stronger than you, not quite demigod" tier

[crystal cliff]

the questgivers ?

most of the time those are half-random mofos lmao

[slim rampart]

...which is the same as the player character, in midgame cases

[crystal cliff]

the only questgiver stronger then you

is like

Lari

and I do believe you outscale her too by 105

And Qira, but Qira is a mf demigod

[slim rampart]

That's certainly not how the game presents it, they have a lot of exclusive magic and mechanics which we're never allowed to have

[crystal cliff]

Oh yeah but that doesn't make them more powerful

[slim rampart]

Could be a me thing then

[crystal cliff]

like me throwing a spear in a tricky way does not mean I can solo a trained soldier and shi

you do also have stuff yourself that like

no npcs have

the mythic gear, you can legit manipulate time

you mf reverse time and shit

and mess with it

as a mage

you can take on corruption or self-revive as a warrior

[slim rampart]

My general response to "yes but you're a puppet for another/hgher power" isn't really rage or thoughts of revenge. It's just "ugh, again with this convenient reason I never get to do anything fun or unique with the quest things I see in gameplay?"

[crystal cliff]

for powah

[slim rampart]

Mage can warp at level 11 or so, that clearly isn't as strong as it looks

[crystal cliff]

its mostly the struggle between the Beast of Darkness and Light

[crystal cliff]

that kinda addresses your point

about them doing stuff you can't

them having something you don't isn't inherently impressive

you also have your own cool stuff

but your power is your power

abilities are more versatility

[crystal cliff]

you do like blow through walls and shi with single spells and

similar

[slim rampart]

A lot of quests have exclusive mechanics which only occur in their quests, and the items you get for DOING those quests don't reflect what you did at all through a Major ID

My best example of this in the game, is Vindicator (Magnetize-Emeralds Bracelet) you get from a quest in Almuj where you go around collecting clues and evidence, and then stop a bank robbery

I want more of THAT in Quest items, idk

[crystal cliff]

most the reason things aren't getting nuked around you is because you don't intend to nuke them

[quartz mist]

probably cause most antagonists arent connected to each other or communicating about you

[crystal cliff]

you like do a robot genocide so hard you can stack their bodies sky high and climb em

[slim rampart]

Because right now the player character just does quests out of the goodness of their heart, or a paycheck, or a benefit, rather than...visibly caring about fighting the antagonists like the game, pretends we do at the start?

[crystal cliff]

you do some crazy shit

frankly

you also technically survive

being anime thrown onto the moon with reverse gravity

which is hilarious

[slim rampart]

The feats, the presentation, and the gameplay have a... slight disconnect, imo

[crystal cliff]

a lot of the quests you wouldn't do

if you didn't care

like the silent expanse

stuff

[slim rampart]

fair

[crystal cliff]

you do also just do stuff for the shits and giggles(becoming queen of pirates)

I think the main character is basically like

An Actual Hero, who does also just like to get silly with it and enjoy their lives

[slim rampart]

That's fair and admirable

[crystal cliff]

then introduce people to a gigantic hammer and my suspiciously dragon-like wybel

[quartz mist]

the story does need more attention to it rn but gameplay allowance is a Very Important Thing

[slim rampart]

But the player character has felt like a blank slate for awhile now?

Not once, have I run into a boss or enemy which goes "so you're the person I've heard about?" Because it just never happens???

[crystal cliff]

The story could be batter, but I do think its net

[crystal cliff]

How far are you into the game ?

[slim rampart]

Level 77

[crystal cliff]

Cause my ass was invited to a gay wedding

is all I'm saying

and I missed it

💔

[crystal cliff]

the later you get the more returning characters there are, and the more established you are

but I do see the player char as very humble

they don't bring up their stuff on their own, they just get recognized over time

[slim rampart]

So there is...THAT many quests in the game

[quartz mist]

thats not all quests

[crystal cliff]

it has stuff like

[quartz mist]

thats everything marked in the content book at all

[crystal cliff]

the mini quests(kill x mobs)

and caves

there are a fair few quests left though

[slim rampart]

And like they're fine, but they're also jank and I don't really enjoy playing them for the quest routinely breaking

In lore, that's a character skill issue. In gameplay, that is "welp, the game wants me to play it this specific way, so woooooow, I'm totally feeling puppet stringsssssss."

[crystal cliff]

oh the quests are def fairly scripted

[slim rampart]

yeah

[crystal cliff]

but I mean, is it really worse then any other mmo

[slim rampart]

Boss design also kinda sucks lol

[crystal cliff]

Warcraft has zero story choices and you're barely a side character

[slim rampart]

It's actually better, not many fetch quests

They just pale in comparison to actual competing video games currently???

[crystal cliff]

there are some super fun quests later

conceptually

they get silly with it

[crystal cliff]

I mean, I like it because it's something origianal made by a couple passionate people y'know ?

[quartz mist]

midgame is definitely the roughest part of the game right now

[crystal cliff]

I'd play it over the next slop cod game any day

[crystal cliff]

Yeah I agree

[quartz mist]

has the most outdated stuff

[crystal cliff]

the early game got smoothed out

[slim rampart]

Entirely agree with you

[crystal cliff]

the later game is obviously recent

the mid they haven't quite fixed

[slim rampart]

But I think my big issue with it is kinda how the quests are listed as long, long, long, medium, and long.

There's a lot of story to tell for a story that won't impact me later???

And sure, other series I play have that same thing where it's one-off stories

[crystal cliff]

I mean.. self-contained stories are fine

and a lot of them are world building

[slim rampart]

But there, they aren't scripted to take a half-hour and get in the way of gameplay

[crystal cliff]

they aren't here either

[quartz mist]

yeah that is the number of disparate steps in the quest which stack up super quickly. that measure has never been particularly accurate...

[crystal cliff]

you only have to do what

like 6 quests ?

to have a fully kitted out character

and those are all story-important

[quartz mist]

for instance, a step in a quest may be "a dialogue pops up while you walk"

[slim rampart]

You can get a kitted out character with zero, imo

[crystal cliff]

some quests do unlock very important stuff

like tomes

[slim rampart]

So quests are mostly just to speed up EXP collection and have freebie items

[crystal cliff]

from RoL

a couple are needed

[quartz mist]

so if you have ten of those down a long hall, bam: Quest Length - LONG

[crystal cliff]

quests are mostly to break from the rest of the gameplay, and tell a fun story

they're not like the most optimal way to play and thats ok

[slim rampart]

On the one hand, I don't play the quests because I don't want to disrespect the lore and story they tell only one time, and then never again

On the other hand, by waiting FOR the mood to strike where a quest actually sounds interesting to me and my character

(mostly just me tbh)

...There's,,,not that many quests I actually want to play

[slim rampart]

Actually they are

Leveling doesn't have a faster alternative

[crystal cliff]

nah, you can get to lvl 105 is what, like 5

hours ?

[crystal cliff]

grinding

especially with a party

[slim rampart]

Clearly not from what I've played solo

[crystal cliff]

I saw people go from 92 to 105 in 30 minutes

under actually

you just stack xp boosting gear, go on a server with double xp and do junkyard or the like

and go for it

you'll level ungodly fast, especially if with a party

[slim rampart]

huh

don't those leveling parties cost emeralds, though?

They put up basic ingredients for multiple LE on the Trade Market, I'm expecting actual peer-to-peer services to cost even more

[crystal cliff]

huh ?

No

you just team up with some other goofy goobers

do /pfinder

and grind & vibe together

[slim rampart]

of course they don't, why wouldn't the prices be inconsistent in this game...

welp, uh

[crystal cliff]

there's no cost

its just something you do

with other people

[slim rampart]

People keep saying to spend my first playthrough questing rather than playing for levels

[crystal cliff]

Yeah

of course

that's to experience the game

and have fun

just grinding is a way more shallow experience

but it makes sense on 2nd or 3rd characters

[slim rampart]

I haven't gotten a single level 105 character yet

[slim rampart]

Also, I'm making an indie game of my own, and still find that this game's quests just overstay their welcome presently

But, I haven't been fair to the current content

never have been, because there's this catch 22 where all the best stuff IS at the end of the grind

so because there's two different camps telling me exact opposite things about how my playthrough should be, idk what to do?

I'm not cold-hearted, a bunch of the quests I've played recently have been fun

[crystal cliff]

Yeah first char is questing for sure

[slim rampart]

and I did enjoy World of Light 1 and 2

[crystal cliff]

I mean

what is the two camps lol

[slim rampart]

But boy, I do not feel like sitting through parts 3-7 my whole afternoon and then respawning in Ternaves because the boss was jank and killed me, if those exist

[crystal cliff]

none of the quest bosses are hard, really

[slim rampart]

"Get an ACTUAL level 105 character which keeps up with the REAL endgame meta before you critique anything bro"
"Calm down and just play the quests/caves/at your own pace"

Meanwhile I'm here conflicted because there is merit to both and my original reason for playing IS the gameplay...But it turns out there's not MUCH of it so far.

[crystal cliff]

one of those Is correct

admittedly lmao

[slim rampart]

Well, one death and I'm spawning back in Ragni

[crystal cliff]

do your own thing

take the game at your pace, it doesn't start at a 105, it starts at lvl 1

if nothing mattered beforehand, you'd start at max level lol

did you do raids and such ?

yet

going through those in a group actually the right power can be fun

dungeons, raids etc

[slim rampart]

And when I say "this content sucks" when people see what I'm actually doing (i.e. how an Archetype is effected by having to unlock their Items and Abilities), they just laugh and disregard it as "bro hasn't gotten to the real game yet" which just pisses me off tbh

[crystal cliff]

the end game is better for gameplay

it doesn't magically become a different game

a lot of the fun is also in making your own builds and stuff

mixing items and effects

some items can change your abilities even

[slim rampart]

Yep, and Nest of the Grootslangs is both great and awful at selling me on Wynncraft's gameplay

[crystal cliff]

that's the very first one too

[slim rampart]

I've made dozens of builds, with half-rolled items

And they're decently fun

But nobody really responds to midgame builds anymore

They think it's all been solved with lategame

"why would you try to play in a way you like with MIDGAME, you're not strong enough bro, wait until better items"

Which in turn, ironically makes questing worse because I'm saddled with items that aren't designed to function past 2.0

[slim rampart]

Not enough Major IDs is one of my problems with the game actually

Another one is that NotG looks and plays GREAT!

...When you're spectating!

Because you've died and get to watch everyone else fight the boss for the next SEVENTEEN MINUTES

And this could be a skill issue, but aren't bosses supposed to be fun the FIRST time you fight them???

[crystal cliff]

why we make ehp slot

every time

[crystal cliff]

it is possible that you're glassy

[slim rampart]

Hahaha, not the first time I got eaten by a boss in one strike

[crystal cliff]

wait one hit ?

[slim rampart]

Glassy can happen whether I want it to or not in this game

[crystal cliff]

Nah you're definitely building a bit too glassy

[slim rampart]

I don't control the items I can afford yet

[crystal cliff]

just quest rewards and mob drops should be enough for anything thereabouts

[slim rampart]

9k EHP without dodge, 13k EHP with dodge, and that's too glassy for a scaled Level 70s Shaman?

[slim rampart]

Clearly they're not

[crystal cliff]

I'd say under 15k is generally glassy

[slim rampart]

I constantly feel like there's a limit I'm pushing up against

[crystal cliff]

no idea for shaman at that level specifically

[crystal cliff]

shaman is one of the rougher classes to start with though, I'll say

I always recommend mage or warrior first

mage especially

[slim rampart]

And when you play to enjoy the game's quests, you realize how overkill a 15k HP build is for half of these quests

[crystal cliff]

dying with mage is like an art

[crystal cliff]

I mean, I have no build and it was still overkill

lmao

[slim rampart]

I know how to use the base kit in and out, there's not much to it when you settle into one archetype or another

But the other classes, aren't leveled on my character

[crystal cliff]

I have never died besides going afk lol

(leveling a new class)

[slim rampart]

people kept saying "stick to one class" and I chose Shaman.

[crystal cliff]

and this is just stuff I slapped on

[slim rampart]

70 levels in is a bit late to switch if I'm ever gonna have a voice in balance discussion or anything gameplay-critiquing

[crystal cliff]

my helmet is lvl 71 lmao

(lvl 104 on this class atm

had the same items for like 30 ish levels atp

[slim rampart]

There's less than 50 items in my level range which ACTUALLY GIVE HEALTH that high

Like, 2000 is the high end

[crystal cliff]

can be from anything, really

amulets, armors, rings whatever

I only have 11k normal hp together also

[slim rampart]

I really do want to enjoy the game, but there must have been something to have made my experience thus far milquetoast to miserable for 80% of the playtime

[crystal cliff]

prolly the low ehp

at least that'd be my guess

for the boss stuff

bosses really shouldn't be one tapping you unless you explicitly build glassy and do five hundred morbillion damage

[slim rampart]

The thing is if you build into Fire and Air, you don't get to have any fun because there's basically no playstyle tied to survivability on Shaman other than Summoner, who just happens to have the easiest and strongest Regen Totem access

[crystal cliff]

healing is based

[slim rampart]

The damage isn't even that high when I TRY to make it happen

Because item rolls just ruin the good stats or add on unusably bad ones

[crystal cliff]

oh you can't get damage that crazy yet

ehp slop + a decent weapon is completely fine

for leveling

unless you're speedrunning it

[slim rampart]

Which is a problem when I want to change my build and have fun tbh

Having to build around different weapons constantly is exhausting

But the alternative is just running Morph and never experiencing the other items in this game with hundreds of armors/jewelry to try

[crystal cliff]

you can stick to one for so long

[vestal rivet]

what is this convo doing in lore channel

[crystal cliff]

ah

we were yapping lore

initially, and it kind got off track

[vestal rivet]

got off topic?

[crystal cliff]

yep

[slim rampart]

yeah, my bad

[vestal rivet]

continue your discussion of lore of item building ig

[crystal cliff]

I stand by canonical femboy-woman Hero of Wynn

🐦‍⬛

[slim rampart]

Oh, right, the items don't really have any impact I'm imagining?

Think that's what I was in here to ask about

https://wynnbuilder.github.io/item/#A16-L31 Handheld Mortar

'specially because THIS got recommended to me for complaining we never got to play with any technology-themed attacks when Corkus and other steampunk cities exist

[crystal cliff]

oh and

#🗿class_builds

!!!

[slim rampart]

I've used it a bunch

[warm flicker]

the confectionary merchant in detlas said something that caught my attention - Wynn soldiers going through Letvus dont appear visually cheerful when getting candy, but do when getting souvineer sweaters. My headcanon explanation for this is that sweaters, unlike sweets, catch the eye of a Wynn soldier. For sweets, its just another thing Wynn soldiers need for sustenance. Yes they go out of their way to get something sweet, but its still just sustenance. Sweaters, on the other hand, are bold. Having a usually armor-clad soldier wearing a corny sweater is such a bizarre and hilarious thing to imagine that its become popular in Wynn, where most people dont bother with fashion and opt for armor instead

[digital swan]

NO IT'S BECAUSE FUCKING GRAKEN IS FUCKING INSANE AND BUYS TONS OF SOUVENIR SWEATERS AND IS JOLLY FOR NO FUCKING REASON

[warm adder]

grake

[digital swan]

other wynn soldiers eat sweaters by the way

so they're also sustenance

it's like marines with crayons

[molten escarp]

getting fiber in

[warm flicker]

i have done nothing but eat sweaters for 3 days straight

[digital swan]

ye

same

[digital swan]

the only other food wynn soldiers consume are these drugs that they call "meals" which is really just a bunch of steroids that increase their health or stats or stuff put into a cracker

[slender copper]

I'm drawing this brb

[drifting aurora]

what the fuck are you talking about\

[crystal cliff]

sky raider queen quest

[crystal cliff]

and its not her that says it yeah

the disguise is also only a hat

so it wouldn't matter for your gender regardless

[drifting aurora]

it's... not

[crystal cliff]

just if you trick her into thinkin you're a raider or not

[drifting aurora]

have you played the quest since it got updated

[crystal cliff]

I played it like.. two days ago

or a day ago

somewhere there

[drifting aurora]

well it certainly isn't a hat

[crystal cliff]

it- is-

wha

[drifting aurora]

it hasn't been a quest helmet

for years

[crystal cliff]

nah nah, I meant the one you get at the start

to trick the guard

it's not even something you put on

[drifting aurora]

right. thats. not a thing

[crystal cliff]

its just in your inventory

[crystal cliff]

it.. is.. I had it in my inventory playing the quest a day ago lmao

like the text even said its only a hat lmao

[drifting aurora]

nevermind i'm misremembering

[crystal cliff]

I'm not talking like an actual gear-piece, just when you get the pirate gals outfit for emeralds or some stuff

[drifting aurora]

either way this still isn't correct. at all

[crystal cliff]

well the conventionally isn't, the rest is yeah

[drifting aurora]

and is an insane thing to say regardless

[crystal cliff]

I was just being fancy

[crystal cliff]

you are literally said to be good looking in the quest

and are named Queen at the end

Y'see, the other pirates ain't fit for the role. They're dumb 'n weak. All they've got is looks.
Yer got the lot! Looks and talent.

I did misremember who said it, but as said, the disguise is just the hat so it doesn't matter

its Hrona(the one who tells you that the guard is silly)

[drifting aurora]

you get the full outfit from egpla

[crystal cliff]

she takes off the entire thing, but you only get the hat

I even thought it was funny

I'm roughly 90% sure the game even has a gray line on it being Only a hat

Yep, I was right

its just the item description, not a gray line

[drifting aurora]

huh. ok

[warm adder]

hat

[crystal cliff]

I remembered it cause I thought it was funny af

this + a pirate hat = Pirate Queen apparently lol

[slim belfry]

magic hat that emits intense femininity

[crystal cliff]

frrr

[crystal cliff]

tbf my gal is already a gal so it was just like

120% wemen

[slim belfry]

now to see everyone with their male soldier persona

not sure if mine would make a difference

[crystal cliff]

Wynncraft usually stays gender neutral but there's a few bits and pieces here and there

[slim belfry]

yeah because player insert

but meh it gets muddy though like me representing myself ingame as a dogun lol

I have workarounds anyway

yeah I feel like I resonate with those silly flaming rock people too much

[hybrid gazelle]

If also just depend on the writer interpretation

Because some quest like recently on PONR

The player character portray as heavily armored individual

This also being brought up in otjer quests as well

While skyraider quest habe player as like

Appearantly look at least androgynous???

[crystal cliff]

My self insert being a woman that hits you with a hammer

Cinema

[exotic yew]

fuck being canon we be whatever we wanted 🙏

[slim belfry]

true orphion and dern beast are exes

[digital swan]

the only true lore about anyone's gender in wynncraft is that the player had a wife one year ago who is NOT coming back in Fruma tho

[slim belfry]

this is trashie lore this is different

need to differentiate between continuities duh

[exotic yew]

Can I be dernbeast

Petting Orphion and tell him he's a good boy

[crystal cliff]

Wlw

[digital swan]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

Women love women

[warm flicker]

this is an extremely important question: can wybels have chocolate? I want to give Nibbles some of my chocolate coins

[shut hornet]

ok but that doesnt show that the player looks feminine throughout the entire game though

thats still wrong

i would interpret that more as just them trying to earn favour with you by saying you look so good

(also, this is really silly??? its implied egpla gives you a full pirate outfit based on the outfit change, so why do you only get a hat?? that seems bizarre)

[vestal rivet]

you can do anything with the power of CPM or Figura models

[shut hornet]

the player is whatever they want to be

[vestal rivet]

I need to stop dragging my feet on making my own figura model
I need to update my skin too

get the strider hairs still attached to my cloak thing to be detached and maybe have physics...

[hybrid gazelle]

player character is literally just at best self insert

it like

I think it undeniable that player character is better off being self insert rather than character with any defining trait

consider wynncraft way of writing

it literally just serve as best intrest for meta reason to stay that way

also skyraider stuff is fucking whatever anyway cause their existence is already weird

[vestal rivet]

yeah player character is meant to be the player I think
not sure that's debated at all

[hybrid gazelle]

It is

Mostly cause of rtp

[crystal cliff]

You're talked about in the same breath as the rest of the crew, and are named Queen at the end

[hybrid gazelle]

the queen probably gender neutral to Skyraider but like

[crystal cliff]

She's low-key just scamming you

It is funny

[crystal cliff]

They're an all woman group

Afaik

[shut hornet]

maybe they dont judge and anyone with she/her pronouns is valid

[crystal cliff]

Gay marriage was common on pirate ships first

🔥

[regal spire]

Wasn’t Mesopotamia the first recorded major civilization with confirmed marital homosexual relationships?

[crystal cliff]

Don't know of they had modernish marriage equivalents

Hoes have, in fact, always been gay

[regal spire]

They at least had confirmed they lived together, and worked on plots of land

[crystal cliff]

Based

[regal spire]

Whatever “documents” they found showed sexual attraction, but idk much about it

[crystal cliff]

The stigma is more modern then gays

!!!

[regal spire]

We make up things to be mad at every decade, just to stay entertained

[crystal cliff]

But like unironically

[regal spire]

I wasn’t kidding, either

[crystal cliff]

Lmao

[ember coyote]

hollow serenity is genuinely peak

probably my new favorite quest

[digital swan]

see this person understands! Nobody seems to agree with me that if the player had a wife it would be proof that the player is a woman

[shut mist]

is the realm in a fantastic voyage confirmed to be dern ?

or is it another part of the silent expanse

im sure its dernic related cuz theirs dernic seeds at the end of the quest

[digital swan]

no

[digital swan]

and no

[shut mist]

damn

do we know what it is then

[digital swan]

yes

[shut mist]

what is it then

[digital swan]

check wiki tbh

[regal spire]

This isn’t right, btw, don’t do that

[digital swan]

It's gateway realm

not silent expanse or dern but another dern controlled area ain't it

I see a total of zero errors made in that conversation

[regal spire]

It’s an area affected by Dern, which only has domain over areas near the abandoned mine and SE. It can’t be Dern, because the Eye doesn’t watch over Dern. It watches over what it was told to, which was the bits of land it has influence over in Wynn

[vestal rivet]

like my 4th time randomly bringing up that one person with pink cat ears who appeared in the meeting of the 1km under quest, left when ynnos asked for everyone not willing to leave, then was never seen again, let alone this whole catgirl race never so much as mentioned anywhere else

[digital swan]

It's also not silent expanse

[digital swan]

It's not a catgirl race it's just a human catgirl

[vestal rivet]

in that case the fact they still exist even if not as a race

[vestal rivet]

that too does exist

[digital swan]

here let's try something

[digital swan]

@torpid viper as the most frequent meower in the server according to this can you confirm or deny if you are the catgirl from the One Thousand Meters Under Ahmsord meeting

[torpid viper]

Meow

[digital swan]

@vestal rivet that translates to "yes" (I took cat in high school, still remember a little bit)

[vestal rivet]

I don't think a translator was necessary for that part

[jagged turret]

just finished aldoreis secret 2 and I'm confused whether 3 portals opened or 4 did

[digital swan]

Corruption Portal opened, RoL gateway opened,
Dern portal in Silent Expanse opened, and the Gateway probably also opened

[jagged turret]

whats the last gateway?

[digital swan]

The Gateway to Gateway Passage from Fantastic Voyage

[jagged turret]

oh ok

[exotic yew]

Holyshit wynncraft catgirls

[exotic yew]

I don't think that was mentioned in aldorei secret 2

[digital swan]

It's somewhat a realm gateway so it's all the elves fault
If we find another portal it's probably Also the elves fault

[slender copper]

The fact that the [Player] on the Festival of Blizzards is shown to be 'cheerful' (noticed by Junes) tells that they too, can't help themselves but enjoy the season.

[hybrid gazelle]

cause it's jolly

[nocturne cave]

basically every bit of wynncraft lore we blame on the elves

[exotic yew]

What if it's just fake happy

[digital swan]

we are ALWAYS jolly. because there are ancient ruins everywhere across the world to break into

[hybrid gazelle]

well yes and no

the writers intention meant to play the event as more like concidence

later than elves entire fault

but yeah as in execution

yeah it pretty much just elves fault

but then again there also Orphion being all vague forn o reaosn

there no reason to send out that message btw

[slender copper]

The "what if we're just depressed and try to make everyone feel happy around us for the season" comment followed by @digital swan comment was amazing xD

[digital swan]

btw where drawing of wynn soldiers eating sweaters

[exotic yew]

I cannot take mainline story seriously when Orphion is too stupid

Ngl

He blundered so manytimes atp it feels like he intentionally trying to sound stupid or just genuinely stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

kinda waht happen when you relying on vagueness to make your god sound "godly"

instead of actaully making their action make sense and not layer it with "OOOO MYSETRY"

[exotic yew]

I mean if the god "vagueness" doesn't involve killing themselves in the process

I can get behind that

Like

Their vagueness should not impact them negatively unless that's the whole point

Ok actually this sounds weird

Let me try to rephrase that into something more sensible

[digital swan]

Orphion's an idiot I want an option to work for the Dern Beast

[exotic yew]

Except we should be against dern

But also against Orphion

Dw this is funny af and I'm all for it

[digital swan]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

Geniunely stupidiest character in fictional media solely by the fact he is god like being

[exotic yew]

I'm not explaining this twice but

[hybrid gazelle]

like at least being "human" allow some range of excuse such as being stupid is part of being human

but for being god like entity that above concept such as morality

[exotic yew]

The writer tried to make both side bad

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion might have geniune brain rot

the decay is so bad, it reach into his brain

[exotic yew]

True

[slender copper]

After I'm done practicing my driving atm I'll start drawing that this Sunday xD

[exotic yew]

Terminal CCD

😔

[digital swan]

Oh yeah I know but "dw this is funny af and I'm all for it"

[exotic yew]

They FAILED miserably to make the light looked bad

The light looked stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

there literally no reason for you to think Light even possible to posses a threat to you

or being antagonist

[exotic yew]

Not bad

[hybrid gazelle]

there literally no way

[exotic yew]

Just stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

it physically impossible to make light even remotely threatening consider its feat

Reminder its plan to save itself is solely hinge on some random guy from fuck off nowhere

to clean its own mess

[exotic yew]

Ok but if we didn't arrive it also would died

Like

This is the greatest plan ever

[hybrid gazelle]

too fucking bad for the dog I guess

[exotic yew]

"oh yeah I meant to do that" ~Orphion 1000ap

[digital swan]

Which NPC do you think would do a better job of being the Light Beast
you get to choose any NPC in wynncraft

[hybrid gazelle]

fucking anyone

[exotic yew]

Nah no

You see

[digital swan]

the best* I mean