📚lore_discussion

[dim plover]

They were talking about the Gylia Meteors

(Which, obviously aren’t crystals but still)

Did I miss a section

Also in ???

It’s all just meteor lore in that quest, no?

[limber swan]

the discovery i linked explains it all

here's one of the logs

Research Log No. 58, Dr. Helmund
Ever since the departure of the brothers, our experiments have halted here. What's left of their notes is completely incomprehensible.
However, I was able to make something of it and run a few experiments of my own. The results were... fascinating.
The purple and blue meteor shards seem to represent primal forces - chaos and order respectively. And together they form balance.
But, I have not yet been able to connect this with the lake's rejuvenating properties. I will need to run more tests. Results coming tomorrow.
Report closed.

[dim plover]

They were informed that the crystals were in Wynn so they left the Gylia project

[limber swan]

then why are the meteors the same colors as the wynnex crystals

they could have been sent to gavel for them to study or smth

[dim plover]

Because it’s a coincidence?
There’s not really a lot of non-complex colors to choose from

There’s red, blue, yellow and white meteors

Are you going to tell me that the red and yellow meteors are connected to the WynnEx crystals as well?

[limber swan]

theres a shit ton of white meteors

there's only two blue meteors

theres 1 red

and 1 yellow

sohso can't have just studied a random white meteor

it had to have been a green one

even if it is a coincidence

[dim plover]

Oh wait no Sohso didn’t study any

Only the other three were scientists

Purple and Blue specified 3 and Sohso in ??? was also implied to be unaffected

[cerulean osprey]

and sohso went to fruma

for some reason

[limber swan]

i dont see any 3 brothers mentioned in purple and blue

wait found it

"Though, I mustn't forget that three of the greatest minds of our time got lost to cosmic powers..."

im sure thats a typo

no way there would be 4 brothers and 1 of them isn't a scientist

you may as well make sohso non canon at that point

cause whats the use of him in the story

[hybrid gazelle]

I really need to find inspiration to how olmic stuff should look

[dim plover]

He’s the one that’s out to find a cure

That’s… his purpose

He’s like, the “survivor”

He’s the continuation of the storyline

[dim plover]

You can’t just call something that doesn’t support your theory a typo dude

Sohso wasn’t one of the brothers who was studying the meteors, that’s why ??? explicitly states that he didn’t go crazy from meteor influence

[slender copper]

There are a few secret discoveries, one in Time Valley, and a few in the Silent Expanse that show the skins/looks of the Olm.

[hybrid gazelle]

nah I meant the artifact and stuff

clothing for the olms I pretty I got that handle

it just not much reference to their style

there whatever floating bit garoth has

[slender copper]

Now looking at the buildings, their style could be based off gothic architecture? But yeah other then that, not a lot of information.

[regal spire]

What of Theorick, angry village, and other such similarly effected animals

[hybrid gazelle]

they are more influenced by corruption than being entirely overtaken by them

it's more "early" stage

because the thing is

if we say a person is corrupted

the term become very confusing because we also grouping people who just paranoid by influence of corruption yet still recoverable to literal undead that too far gone

it like what happen if you refer cancer patient without the stage

also it seems like from what I can recall

these people never refer as corrupted as more of influenced by it

Like I only ever remember corrupted refer as the undead

[regal spire]

Ig the only one that had been corrupted and wasn’t undead was pre-TLS Garoth

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but that no longer canon and he turn into a lizard so like

it

diffuclt to say

[regal spire]

Actually, idk how effected Arak is, but she could potentially be a corrupted spider queen. That, or some strange lava spider that needs some explaining to why she is a lava spider

[hybrid gazelle]

Nope

I pretty sure she just lava spider

I talk to CT about it and she not suppose to be that connected to corruption directly

also if she is undead

she would not be able to reproduce

cause like

she would be fucking dead

[vestal rivet]

that does famously stop reproduction

[stoic dock]

so what will the lore be around our player characters going back into Fruma, the home land they were exiled from?

[regal spire]

Gotta wait

[heavy sun]

Ew. The player has magic. Send him to wynn

That pretty much sums up all the lore we have regarding the player's time in fruma

actually now that I think of it that's really just speculation

cuz like

we have no flashback segments of the player

idk

[cerulean osprey]

and only flashbacks we get are aledar tasim and reynauld

[slim belfry]

power through a mountain into fruma and disguise yourself as a normal person easy

[hybrid gazelle]

so far the teaser kinda imply we been invited but IDK it's teaser so take it with grain of salt

there are many idrection that can be take here

because the thing is that if we enter Fruma in illegal way that some people though of

we gotta also think of how the gameplay would be like since players gonna going around into towns and probably do what they do often in town

but context would be much different since you are pretty much criminal so I kinda wonder how would that work

but then again it also possible we enter fruma in legal way and therefore overworld guards are not hostile to us

there definitely a lot to be consider here

[slim belfry]

yeah and the context is gonna change because now we have a lot of these wynn soldiers within fruma

I do think it's more of an official re-opening of the province but wonder why

[vestal rivet]

Trashie becomes a lorewriter CT one day

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by a lto of these wynn soldiers?

[slim belfry]

when fruma releases and everyone starts going in

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean in lore?

like

there mutiple player characters?

[slim belfry]

both?

hard to explain because of where gameplay and lore cross in terms of multiple people

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think there ever comfirm there will be that many people going into fruma

also

there only one player character in lore

because here the thing

now you gotta explain how Tasim and Aledar went on adventrue with many peopel LOL

in story wise there is one player character

[slim belfry]

well yes I'm aware of that

[hybrid gazelle]

the closet reference palyer character being in group

is in raid or EO for example

but that only gameplay reference

[slim belfry]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

but in the story, there ONL ONE player characters

[slim belfry]

ok disregard what I said then

I was going purely off of multiple people "following" in the main story player's footsteps

like for as you said raids and EO but those are gameplay

[slender copper]

Just imagining Tasim and Aledar stepping out of a caravan before 2,000 players fall out like gushing water lol.

[hybrid gazelle]

that really depend on premise of Fruma like

is it just the player character being invited

or the border actually open

[slim belfry]

that's the one thing that's hard to tell given the circumstances

[hybrid gazelle]

one possiblity we have

given from the context of the game

is that it possibly player being send there as representative of Wynn when corruption start reaching Fruma

since in tutorial quest

we do see the border between Wynn and Fruma being overrun by corruption

and also it's good excuse for corruption to get some spotlight during late game

[slim belfry]

that's a really good point

because what kind of enemies would be in fruma

[unique hill]

who knows

[slim belfry]

nobody outside fruma that's for sure

[hybrid gazelle]

there so far not much to make a concrete theory about what could happen in Fruma

like ofc there could be the obvious overthrow monarchy plotline

but I think there also a bit of information that people tend to forget

that is like

we also need recruit program to stay intact

so the solution definitely gonna be more complex

[regal spire]

We can deduce that the one mob designer applicant teaser image might imply that we will be potentially fighting not just aimless world mobs, but specifically placed, recurring hordes of super boss mobs

That giant knight looks pretty scary, tbh

[digital swan]

if we enter fruma legally. what could the surface hostile mobs possibly be

like if we enter illegally everything's taken care of they'll have soldiers after us

but then cities are unsafe

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[dim plover]

(Resisting the urge to talk about fanmade content in the not-fanmade lore channel)

[regal spire]

Why lol

Half of this channel is just the trashie Wynn rework document hub anyway

It’s not a bad thing, tbh, I like that there’s a channel that can be dedicated to both fan theories, fan made rewrites, and general lore discussion

[dim plover]

True

Who here has seen my Fake Fruma stuff

The entire province in my version has pretty much been fully-developed barring the tiny gameworld details so it’s probably the next best thing to talk about regarding Fruma content while we wait for actual Fruma content

(I wish I had a better-looking map)

Point is that I’ve mapped everything out very intentionally and filled them with lore

Except for Sunscorched Valley we don’t talk about that one

Not sure what to talk about so I’ll just go in general

Chances are Wynncraft is probably going to do something similar but given the name of the Official Fruma Teaser I just went for the most obvious route and have the province be ruled over by the six sovereigns

• the Queen

The in-lore reason for Fruma giving the player a more difficult time than the Silent Expanse works, too

Any of the guards have either mega-enhanced magic via the Queen or possess Amnesia abilities, which directly translates to the Amnesia mechanic in-game so that works out anyway

[regal spire]

What’s the haunted woods planned to be? Is it more of a memorial ground, or a stereotypical spooky woods?

[dim plover]

And any enemy the player fights that aren’t the humans are actually just as powerful as they are

Because Fruma is thriving with magic

[dim plover]

Haha sometimes

(I’m kidding)

Haunted Woodlands is actually a focus of one of the 4 major Fruma plotlines

Because uh

Yeah Fruma is haunted

Like, legitimately

[regal spire]

Hu-hu-hu-haunted-du-du-du?

Why’s that?

[dim plover]

Over the years of ruling the past ancestors of Fruma’s lower class that suffered under the harsh ruling of the empire have basically stayed behind as phantoms

Over time they’ve coalesced into countless of them

Every night on the full moon they kidnap guards and slum members and assimilate them into their ranks

The officials never figure out where they end up in (nobody actually knows the forests are haunted, they usually die before they do)

In the quest, the player basically gets hired to solve the missing people issue by the Queen (because this is post-player killed Inquisitor and saved the province events)

[regal spire]

Interesting, like a sleepy hollow type deal

[dim plover]

They discover the Phantoms and because plot armor, they survive

(Kidding the Phantoms are mostly just angry at the Frumans)

[regal spire]

Only, without the witch casting a spell being the issue

[molten escarp]

brb gotta go to the dungeon and kill 30 phantom spirits

[dim plover]

Wait brb will be back gotta do something

[drifting aurora]

so the intent was that arakadikus was a normal spider in nivla 100+ years ago, which was caught in the middle of bakal's burning of nivla woods. she and her spiders took refuge within mount wynn, which granted her a sort of "blessing" to survive the blaze, however you would interpret that

blessing in quotations because theres a lot of ways to read how that could have transpired

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh this take kinda view magic in mount wynn to be more neutral

I mean I guess the fire did not really make her and her colony web to be fire resistance

[regal spire]

I’m curious as to how she managed to even intertwine herself with fire magic like that. There seems to be a motif of flaming spiders in mount wynn, but Arakadicus seems to have gotten the most influence out of it

[hybrid gazelle]

probably magic in wynncraft are sometime not inherit through bloodline

[regal spire]

There’s that true flame thing, or whatever it’s called, that you use to open the web. Maybe she had contact with that, and it somehow effected her

[hybrid gazelle]

similar to how Dwendle did not pass his magical innate to his descendent

this may suggest that magic in wynncraft are not biological which make sense consider it more weider than that consider the law of cost

[regal spire]

I feel like, in the case of Arakadicus, she would have to pass this innate symbiosis with fire to her offspring—at least the ones in the mountain—to keep them alive. There’s some elemental weaknesses and resistances that may lead to the conclusion that they have some dormant fire prowess within them

A lot of them are living either within or very close to mount Wynn, which is basically a volcano. I’d imagine it’s hard to live in a volcano, without some kind of heat resistance

[drifting aurora]

mhm

[hybrid gazelle]

living near volcano does not really mean you have to be heat resistance

I mean asl ong as you aren ot like

literally iving near the lava flowing

[drifting aurora]

living inside one might

[hybrid gazelle]

it directly underneath right?

then I am not sure because in updated boss

the yupdated the spawns to share her color scheme

so it likely in the future when more model updated

mean we going to have spiders similar to Akkadicus in the dungeon

one is my theory rn wait

[regal spire]

I, for one, absolutely cannot wait for all the dungeons to be remade to better match the new, intended path they want to go. DS boss room is so nice, and I wanna see more lava spiders everywhere in IP

[slim belfry]

uh I never made the fire/lava connection with that entire dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

very outdated picture

but this is similar idea

[regal spire]

She lives in a volcano 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

the idea is that the spawns that directly from Akkadicus herself

able to have her fire innate

while the spawns from nesting spiders

have less trait there for less apperant

[slim belfry]

always thought it was nearby

[hybrid gazelle]

nope it was underneath the volcano

and her updated boss fight

she literalyl set you on fire LOL

[slim belfry]

ok I need to play the game again then talk

[hybrid gazelle]

summary is that

the spiders that directly came from Akkadicus will inherit her magical power

hence they are similar to her color scehme

while the spider in the forest are spawns of the nesting spiders

there fore the magic may loss its potency generation by generation

[dry aspen]

Wait they have eyes hollup

Adorable

[regal spire]

Where’s the Arakadicus spawn pet

Or disguise

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that probalby work better

because the thing is that

[dry aspen]

Would go hard tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

we also ahve to treat Akkadicus and her spieces aas more like ant colony

but with spiders

so akkadicus is more progenitor of the spawns around the area

basically all trace can lead to her

she is the brood mother

while there spiders like nesting spiders that will make their own spawns

but they then act under Akkadicus

and a part of her colony

so there are some spiders that are not directly from akkadicus

but have their root from her

[dry aspen]

Arent there like, broodmothers already in world events and the first quest with Ope?

They look kinda normal

[hybrid gazelle]

they coudl be broodmothers of that area as I say

they probably some kind of nesting spider

that have their origin trace to Akakdicus

[dry aspen]

You literally answered me as I was typing nooooooo

[hybrid gazelle]

it possible that the nesting spiders in the forst able to make their own nesting spider spawns

and then the cycle continue on and that why the spiders in the forest has no hint of fire magic

despite being the part of the colony

but then again we also lack info of how their beed work now that i think about it

cause now I just entirely forgot to consider there also have to be anotehr colony

or wynnic spiders just capable of asexually reproduction

but consider how desperate wynn province is due to corruption

I would not even pass the idea of some spieces have to survive through inbreeding

[dry aspen]

Spiders lay a lot of eggs, like, hundreds per little egg pod. Don't look up videos of people popping those things open, I threw my phone across the room when I first saw one of those

[dim plover]

@regal spire Hi I have returned from the thing

God that took so long

Where was I

[hybrid gazelle]

yes that was given but again having many eggs mean you have a lot of mouth to feed

and in enviroment like wynn where corruption run wild

[dim plover]

Right Fruma Phantoms

[hybrid gazelle]

every mouth you not feed mean you will have undead problem

[dry aspen]

Noobs. Feed the lil guys fresh players

[hybrid gazelle]

so it likely there some evolutiontake place

[dim plover]

Is Arakadicus like
Just a lava spider or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

she is spider blessed by magic of the volcano

[dim plover]

At first I thought corrupted but she doesn’t look it

[hybrid gazelle]

the very same magic that you use to burn her web is the one tht grant her the power

[dim plover]

Figured

[dry aspen]

You'd think she'd safeguard against that

[hybrid gazelle]

it seems like her web did not have fire resistance

but her body probably is

[drifting aurora]

it has regular fire resistance

[dry aspen]

The volcano really said "nah fam you just get fire magic 'roids"

[regal spire]

Lay on the frumie

[drifting aurora]

some of the muddiness in ingame depictions of this lore will get sorted out in the future when theres time

[dim plover]

Oh yeah

[drifting aurora]

the earlygame questline is something id like to tweak story-wise

[regal spire]

Where’s the mud emote

[dim plover]

Okay so the main thing to note for the Phantoms is that they really hate Fruman royalty, because of their origin

This, by logic, also makes them have a massive hatred towards the highest leading position of power in the Fruma hierarchy

So

The Queen

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah I forgot they do but I am saying like

they are not resistance to the same fire that grant her power

[dim plover]

The thing is the Queen in this universe isn’t like, evil

Or at least not intentionally trying to give the province a hard time

[regal spire]

Isn’t the queen qira lol

[dim plover]

Ignoring the funny Qira in the forum post the Fruma Queen would assumedly be like

Okay I was about to say “new” but she’s not really that young

New as a ruler in the context of the history of Fruma

[regal spire]

She’s the newest ruler, but that’s only because there hasn’t been another in a millennia

When was the supposed last one, I just put 1000 cause silly

[dry aspen]

Watch as the queen is never revealed

[dim plover]

But that also means that she probably wasn’t really personally involved nor experienced the suffering that the lower class had under more authoritarian ruling

[regal spire]

Queens gonna have a lil snipit from behind, or their feet or something, to spoil it

[dim plover]

But compared to the Inquisitor she’s pretty much a saint

[dry aspen]

Jus the one dude in the trailer is all U get. Jus the one sovreign

[dim plover]

Anyways back to the Phantoms

[drifting aurora]

ik putting qira there as queen is mostly for the joke, but its hard to take it seriously as a story element

[dim plover]

happy april fools idk lmao

I know I was supposed to be convincing people that it was real on that day but Qira Queen was too funny not to put in

[regal spire]

The Q in queen stands for qira

[dim plover]

Anyways regardless if you take Qira out of the picture the Queen still has relatively same attributes

[regal spire]

Happy qiraueen

[dim plover]

She’s still ridiculously powerful magic-wise, so much so that the Inquisitor still needs several years of chipping away at her mental faculties to remain undetected

[regal spire]

This is offtopic af, but I devolved the bottom of my foot a bit ago, and I still have to dance

[dim plover]

Devolved?

[regal spire]

De-gloved

[dim plover]

What does that mean

[regal spire]

Stupid ass autocorrect making me look like a moron 😭

[regal spire]

When you have really tough, sweaty calluses that get caught and torn off your body, taking a lot of normal skin with you

[dim plover]

Oh dear

So it like hurts when you step down or smth

?

[regal spire]

Not really, anymore, tbh, it’s just tender and bleeds a lot

[dim plover]

Get better soon

[regal spire]

I just keep losing a lot of skin whenever I shower

[dim plover]

(From personal experience even the smallest wound on the feet takes forever)

[regal spire]

Can’t, it’ll happen again and again forever

[dim plover]

: (

[regal spire]

Idk why I do ballet, this shit hurts too much to be worth the no money and few benefits

[regal spire]

Anyway, back to frumie

[dim plover]

Oh ok

Uhh

Phantoms quest isn’t that big, it’s only 1 quest but otherwise is the only story asides from the intro quest to Fruma that involves the Queen

[regal spire]

Sounds like a fun concept. I like sleepy hollow esc ideas

[dim plover]

(Is that a game)

[regal spire]

It’s a fairy tale of the headless horseman

[dim plover]

Each quest sorta focuses on a specific number of characters that were introduced in the Soveriegn court room thing, in the case of the Phantom story it’s the Queen and Verdana

(I know Wynncraft’s going to have a different name but as of this universe Verdana’s the sixth sovereign from the teaser)

[regal spire]

I saw your forums post, but is the entrance to fruma still the same? Or will you be taken through more of the sovereigns

[dim plover]

They’re supposed to be in charge of Fruma’s military
But due to the Queen’s nature in this AU the army isn’t really a threat to the player, since the Queen isn’t either

[dim plover]

Well, we still meet the sixth sovereign at the entrance

They don’t let us in so we end up sneaking into the province after though

That and we meet all six sovereigns in the quest itself after

[regal spire]

Oh, dope

[dim plover]

It’s like a cameo but each Sovereign stars in their own quest

[regal spire]

How many quest ideas have you planned for this?

(This is also a slight Segway into how many quests you think fruma will offer?)

[dim plover]

Forum gifs aren’t loading

Urrrrrrgggghhhhhh

Ok here have a screenshot of a test video from Discord

Ignore the diamond sword

[dim plover]

Ok so counting them in plotlines,

Empire’s New Lie Part I and II, the province intro quest, focuses on the Queen and the Inquisitor with all the sovereigns as cameos

The Past That Haunts Us, the phantom quest that stars Qira and Verdana (yellow seat but not present in the image)

Journey to the Sun (potentially Part I and II), stars Ebrima and Tahoma (They’re siblings)

[regal spire]

Is that the scorched land area?

[dim plover]

Yeah

Well it’s more fire magic plantlife but

Yeah

Everlasting Beauty, stars Candara

also known as the spawn of satan

[regal spire]

What’s the lore behind that? Is it natural?

Is it a battleground of sorts, and that’s what left?

[dim plover]

Heavensent Retribution Part I and II contains no sovereigns, it’s specifically the Sohso and Xingxing questline

[dim plover]

Nah it’s legit just regular plantlife

Like half the crops in Fruma are fiery

[regal spire]

Oh, lmao

[dim plover]

(It’s also the Fruma gathering node)

[regal spire]

Parallel to the spice trades in Europe

[dim plover]

The gathering materials for Fruma are Starstruck, Phantom, Blazing and Eternal

(There’s a non-zero chance Wynncraft’s just going to make the wood Auburn and it’s going to be so weird seeing it have a higher durability than literal Lovecraftian wood)

[regal spire]

Oo, knowing blazing is farming, is phantom woodcutting, and starstruck fishing?

[dim plover]

Starstruck is ore

Eternal’s fishing

[regal spire]

Rats, so close

[dim plover]

Because the Lotus Lake is Fruma’s version of the Fountain of Youth

[regal spire]

Show eternal, though, I’d love to see those fishies

[dim plover]

Haven’t made nodes for the others

[regal spire]

Oh, lol

[dim plover]

Also don’t know how Eternal fish would look like

Needs to look special

Dernic having Cthulhu fish was very cool

[regal spire]

I thought it just had purple sad fish

[dim plover]

Nah the fish had Cthulhu heads

Or like

Cthulhu mouths

[regal spire]

Wait, really?

I’ve never seen that before

[dim plover]

Oh that’s a lot less tentacles than I remembered

Well, I interpreted them as Cthulhu fish

Anyways back to Phantoms

[regal spire]

Oh, lmao, I see it now

I swear I’ve never seen those lil tentacles before

[dim plover]

In order to actually interact with the physical world, they’ve possessed the bodies of two corpses

A Nun or Fruman Official of some sort, to be used as a Mouthpiece to speak and communicate with mortals

[regal spire]

That’s really interesting

[dim plover]

And a body of a dead Elite Guard, which it uses as physical muscle

In the event where combat is required

(Realistically though I literally just wanted to include a Cyn reference and also bring back the Death Oni)
(Seemed like good opportunity)

[regal spire]

Can’t wait to grind 16eb per death again

[dim plover]

I don’t have images for them but for the mouthpiece

Imagine

Actually wait I won’t ask you to imagine that one

For the Death Oni imagine a giant hulking suit of samurai armor with a massive waraxe

Probably a black skeleton inside wearing it

Then again that design is kinda oldish

Also not an Oni so it’ll probably change in the future

But yeah as short as the quest is the first half is investigating the missing individuals, the middle section is the only horror aspect of Fruma, and the last part is the phantom battle

(I already have the entire fight’s design in mind)

But part of it requires me to describe the mouthpiece corpse so I’ll hold off on that for now

[regal spire]

I’m excited to see more of it

[dim plover]

But basically the Queen at the end arrives and sort of like, halts the Phantoms before they can continue the fight
The Phantoms at least sort of realize after a conversation that the Queen isn’t the person responsible for their fate

But like, are still kinda royal-ist because they have a massive vendetta against all of them in general

Still, she pledges her mission to bring the province of Fruma to a state where such a massive class imbalance isn’t brought to this level ever again
(Mostly better lives for the lower class, as she has already been taking steps to improving post-Inquisitor death)

This appeases the spirits for the meantime and the quest ends on a relatively hopeful note

(Ngl a lot of the modern problems are caused by the Inquisitor, the Queen just has to pick up all the responsibility after he died lmao)

Not that she didn’t do anything but the Inquisitor is second-in-position, asides from her green-lighting stuff he basically called the shots

[regal spire]

Qira has so much on her plate lol

[dim plover]

Dammit I said Qira

The Queen

Just the Queen

I don’t have a name for her

[regal spire]

Call her Q

[dim plover]

Fixed

[regal spire]

Or ping

[dim plover]

Ping?!?!

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/nickelodeon/images/0/05/Mr_ping_action.png/revision/latest?cb=20170109232832

[regal spire]

I’m so happy you thought of that

“We’ll be back before you can say noodles.”

“🍔”

[dim plover]

Anyways that’s where the quest ends

Ngl I have no idea how I’m going to incorporate Phantom Wood

Are Phantoms just going to be everywhere in Fruma where a tree is

[regal spire]

You could have them be time based, or behave like WE’s/random events where they spawn only at specific times

[dim plover]

Also if this was actually real then Wynncraft hopefully has the tech to name the log “Auburn” but give the material “Phantom”

[dim plover]

Nah as in, if all the trees in Fruma are Phantom nodes

That would mean Phantoms are all across the province instead of just the forest

And if I made Auburn Trees only give Phantom Wood after you complete this quest then it’s just bad design

Probably

Or at the very least a controversial addition

In a real situation

[regal spire]

You could intersperse phantom nodes around auburn forest, closer to the actual forest, but not actually in it

Have more nodes be accessible after the quest

[dim plover]

Is that even possible

Nodes aren’t client-sided

Or like, what the nodes are

[regal spire]

No, but the woods could be blocked off

[dim plover]

But then what would trees outside of the Forest be

Like, in other parts of Fruma

[regal spire]

Just have them be standard autumn trees, or potential ingredient nodes instead

(Or just low level)

[dim plover]

Would cutting them give another unique material

[regal spire]

Have it give a unique ingredient, like the fleris trees

[dim plover]

E but those nodes are supposed to be sparse

I suppose having all the trees be Phantom is technically fine

At least from a gameplay standpoint

(We just ignore the lore implications)

[regal spire]

They are quite spooky, so it could work

[dim plover]

That or go the Dernic route and only have them in one specific location

Like how Dernic Crop is only in Void Valley

[regal spire]

That, too, works just fine

[dim plover]

Ok cool

(Kinda weird all the other nodes will be abundant though)

[regal spire]

Nobody has issues with blocking off high level gathering behind AJB and AJF. I’m sure you’ll be aight

[dim plover]

Eternal fish can appear at any water body because they all connect back to the Lotus Lake

And Blazing can be found on most farmland across the province as well

[regal spire]

That’s such a fun concept. Flaming crops, I’d love to know more about how they operate

[dim plover]

Starstruck appears mostly in the High Peaks region but technically the ore can appear anywhere in the province without breaking lore either because Xingxing can fly pretty much anywhere in Fruma

(It just… doesn’t do so often because it evades civilization)

[dim plover]

Probably just crops with fire magic

But mostly I was at least happy that the Fruma prof mats aren’t like, thematically weaker than Dernic in-lore

[regal spire]

How do they farm it, though? And process it? And even handle it as food, tbh

[dim plover]

Dernic’s kinda lovecraftian it’s really hard to beat that

But in the case of Fruma they’re all so chock-full of magic it’s fine

Phantoms are wood infested by centuries of ancestral anger and spiritual energy
Starstruck are residue of an Interstellar Creature
Eternal fish are literally empowered by the manifestation of mother nature herself

Wow Linny coming in when I said that was absolute perfect timing what the hell

[unique hill]

tbh whenever we do get around to it imagining some industrial dernic mining/farming operation does seem quite cool

[unique hill]

i can just sense it

[regal spire]

Local Linny sniffs out even the slightest mention of profing

Profhound fr

[dim plover]

I’m going to do the classic Purple move and make a character that references 0 part of a CT except for their name

[unique hill]

fire

[dim plover]

Which I guess Wynncraft technically does

For like, some names

[regal spire]

Call it Yinnl

[unique hill]

profs gamemodes and hunted three of the four pillars of chronically neglected game content 🥀

[dim plover]

(She’s called Lihnni, actually)

[unique hill]

ok i guess gamemodes and hunted are the same but))

[dim plover]

Spirit of the Lotus

[unique hill]

oh YEa

i remember that

[regal spire]

Oh, lol, nice

[dim plover]

Serves as the Altar Boss

[regal spire]

What’s the boss altar like?

[dim plover]

Once you complete the Everlasting Beauty quest

[dim plover]

Ok so like

Do you know Touhou

[regal spire]

I do know that game kinda

You turn into P

[dim plover]

I don’t know Touhou that well but I have seen gameplay

Basically I want to go the Empress of Light route and make the battle a “beautiful bullet hell”, in redigit’s words

That being said the rainbow crystal wings do actually fit Lihnni’s aesthetic so

[regal spire]

I do really like EoL

[dim plover]

Yeah but Everlasting Beauty is probably the shortest quest

Features Candara, the fifth sovereign along with a new character

[regal spire]

In the altar a part of the quest, or is it a quest reward?

[dim plover]

And it’s basically the chance for me to write the most hatable character ever

Quest reward

[regal spire]

Do go on

[dim plover]

Candara is supposed to be like, a massive annoying asshole

But like, in a

I dunno what it’s called

In like a really smug way

[regal spire]

An egocentric kinda meanie?

[dim plover]

Or like that really specific character trait where they do that high-pitch “ohohohoho!” laugh while putting the back of their hand below their chin

That sort of aesthetic

[regal spire]

Or an overtly prideful kinda arrogance

[regal spire]

Not the ohohoho

[dim plover]

Asides from the sovereign courtroom video here’s the only other image I have of her

It’s her model in blockbench

[regal spire]

Not the pipe 😭

[dim plover]

(Disclaimer the skin was taken online credits are in the forum post)

[regal spire]

She really is obnoxious

[dim plover]

Yeah she’s supposed to be

[regal spire]

Does she blow smoke in your face, even if you’re pregnant

[dim plover]

She’s also supposed to look really young, according to character dialogue (Because Minecraft resolution doesn’t really help with this)

look really young
(((Subtle foreshadowing)))

[dim plover]

Probably

[regal spire]

Does she bathe in the lily waters of forever young

[dim plover]

She does her job as a Sovereign well enough to stay as a Sovereign but she’s really terrible as a person

[dim plover]

Close

[regal spire]

She drinks it?

[dim plover]

She’s been hogging the Lotus Lake’s immortality magic for herself for centuries

Assuming the Queen isn’t Qira here, Candara is the oldest human in the province

And no one knows it

[regal spire]

Strange she wouldn’t know what has happened in the past, unless she wasn’t always in a position of influence

How did she discovery this property

(Also I’m tired af, I got another set of shows tomorrow, so this’ll be my last question)

[dim plover]

Candara probably does

Wdym by what happened in the past

[regal spire]

The phantoms

[dim plover]

Oh

Nobody knows about the Phantoms because they don’t reveal themselves to anyone they aren’t going to take with them

[regal spire]

Oh, right

Maybe she’d have a better understanding of the overall state of Fruma, though, and the development it took to get to a point of noticeable strife

[dim plover]

Also her being in a relatively privileged stats (upper class?, pre-official position) she probably never sets foot near the slums

Where the haunted region is right beside

[regal spire]

That’d definitely add to her being a total pos for not offering her hundreds of years of life

[dim plover]

At least not during the full moon

Yeah lol

Anyways at the end of the quest after a scuffle of sorts she (accidentally or otherwise) gets subsumed into the Lotus Lake’s magic

And you unlock the Boss Altar to fight the Spirit of the Lotus

[regal spire]

How exciting 🔥

Thanks for sharing with me, poip, I’m gonna go to bed

[dim plover]

The Spirit of the Lotus, as mentioned earlier, is pretty much just a physical manifestation of mother nature being mad at the humans for taking over like half the valley with their wacky industrialization and settlements and all that

Oh yeah see you

[boreal crane]

is this speculation

[dim plover]

Candara is a character made by me

The entire conversation is of a fanmade Fruma

Although yes I guess it technically does count as speculation

[boreal crane]

alright

i just hope it looks big

even though its kind of a small plot of land

[hybrid gazelle]

Figuring out how to make design Redbeard rn

I gotta remake his background a bit to add some more flavor to him

I never really get to think how should redbeard be like in Wartorn

I definitely do want to make him villager

so the dungeon boss roster are more diverse

[boreal crane]

give him a devil fruit

[hybrid gazelle]

Reusing a lot of shit that was suppose to be in my trapper OC into redbeard for this one

cause god he desperately need to make him stand out

[vestal rivet]

Fruma will surely give us SotE levels of verticality...!

[hybrid gazelle]

not cooking with this one but I am trying to find a direction rn

[regal spire]

Is that a Scotsman style gun for a peg leg I see?

[hybrid gazelle]

rough inspiration by scotsman from samurai jack yeah

but kinda like thinking back rn

I probably trade for flamethrower

[regal spire]

Imagine a cannon peg leg, and he has a chair attached to the back of him, so he can sit down and brace for a shot

[hybrid gazelle]

I want it to be corkian because like

I want to do give off that mixed culture that ocean has

again the current design rn did not go through I need to think more later

[quartz mist]

ANOMALOCARIS

[spring kernel]

gotta love weird shrimp

[quartz mist]

straight up back when eco resources were being made and people were asking about weird fish for dernic resource I put forth anomalocaris

and lo and behold

ANOMALOCARIS

[hybrid gazelle]

ANOMALCARIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YsNRnZRgg8

[feral storm]

there's way too much wasted space on random grass and water to make a lot of sense

[dim plover]

Which spaces specifically

Most of the empty spaces in that drawn map will probably be filled with the minor world stuff you usually see in Wynncraft

[dim plover]

I’m going to sound like an asshole by saying I was disappointed that it was never Cthulhu Fish but that’s a cool inspiration regardless

(Still I immediately said “Omg Cthulhu Fish” the moment I got that item in the first material bomb in 1.18)

[feral storm]

Fruma is pretty small in terms of volume, so it needs to be dense
You have a whole empty area under peaks of amnesia which is way too big
The lake extends a bit much and just wastes a lot of space which I kinda doubt Wynn knows what to do with
in general the lake+river takes like 1/5 of the drawn area which is insane if fruma doesn't extend underground, it's just too much space that Wynn can't really do anything with besides fast travel that would make more sense over air anyways

[warm adder]

discussion of lore

[feral storm]

Its probably a lot more compact or even just bigger than we've been told (by volume) originally to make sense with how long it's been worked on

[warm adder]

maro peaks is so big yet nothing is there

what content is there

[feral storm]

Not ocean

[warm adder]

there’s like 1 quest

[feral storm]

The ocean is huge with nothing there, they said fruma is SE size but more dense

[warm adder]

what is the most content dense place rn

[quartz mist]

okay but. you can understand how this isn't really relevant, right

[warm adder]

yeah ig

idk

[quartz mist]

one area being content-dry doesn't mean all areas will be content-dry

[warm adder]

yeah

but i feel like there could have been more content in the ocean
tbf it is an ocean

[feral storm]

Probably molten peaks area

[quartz mist]

not least of which comparing what is probably one of the most content-lean areas in the game to an upcoming one that has been literally stated to be dense and full of stuff

[feral storm]

2 cities surrounded by ahmsword, thesead, the hive, 2 lootrun camps, TCC raid, ECT...

[quartz mist]

the last time Maro got anything meaningfully new was when Zhight Island got added

back pre-gavel

Sure, I've updated the mobs and made you go there for ToL, and it's gotten a whole bunch of good mining nodes, but like...there's still so little to do there

[warm adder]

you updated the mobs?

[quartz mist]

and even those updates were likr 5-7 years ago

[warm adder]

o

[feral storm]

Remove climbing helmet req

Please

Its so shit

[quartz mist]

there is very little content in the game that's so un-updated

as maro peaks is

like, the only other place I can think of that's that old is Sarnfic

[warm adder]

sarnfic?

what tha

[quartz mist]

maybe Dead Island

[quartz mist]

have you done Beneath The Depths

[feral storm]

The only use Maro peaks has is being a hidden quest requirement for the climbing helmet

[warm adder]

i did all the quests but i don’t remember exactly

wait

is that the thing under the ocean

[quartz mist]

Sarnfic is the city sunken into the underwater cave you go through to get the treasure to complete the quest

[warm adder]

o

[feral storm]

That doesn't count tho, it's basically a quest area

[warm adder]

when was last time tutorial was updated

[quartz mist]

I was comparing age, not content density, when I compared maro to sarnfic

[quartz mist]

few months ago I think

[warm adder]

how often does it get updated
because the last time i did it in 2023 and then when i did it august this year i don’t remember the mobs looking new or it teaching you to use spell and stuff

[quartz mist]

tutorial is really important for first impressions so it gets lots of little updates from time to time

[warm adder]

makes sense

[feral storm]

Selvut...

Don't dodge it...

Everyone knows Maro peaks climbing helmet req sucks

[crimson shale]

Sarfnic*

[quartz mist]

*yr'uoe

[crimson shale]

(I remember it because it's Cinfras backwards)

[crimson shale]

They won't remove it until they add stalactites/stalagmites to the area so you can't land safely on the "dangerous cliffs"

(actually they'll probably not remove it and give it a Major ID to make you immune to those damage types)

[regal spire]

The ice nations has basically been exactly the same since conception, beyond item balances

In all honesty, a lot of the ocean has been untouched

[warm adder]

huh is that where te name came from or something or was that just a coincidencr

[crimson shale]

The lore goes even deeper but basically, yeah

[dim plover]

Fruma will probably use a lot of vertical height to its advantage as well

[dim plover]

For mine, the high peaks do have a lot of mountains, and the long path from the Journey to the Sun, Sunscorched Valley and Teitull is one long trek up to a really high height

Lots of opportunity to add things directly below them

[digital swan]

no

it's a dumb name but not That dumb

at least it's better than cities where it's actually just a dev's name backwards like at least scrambled for goodness sakes

[slim belfry]

yeah like detlas being a good name

[digital swan]

detlas gets minus points because my autocorrect keeps trying to correct it to "Dallas" and it's an AI autocorrect because Windows so it pisses me off

[dim plover]

Oh wait I don’t think I’ve ever mentioned this

But Phantom Wood as a name isn’t completely derivative from the fact that the woods are haunted, it’s also based on this

Mostly because the way to get this wood compared to all the other trees in the game back then sort of lowkey blew my mind

Or at the very least fascinated me

Not sure why it’s called Phantom Wood tbh but in my version it at least makes sense

(Phantom Wood is a banger name though)

[digital swan]

gwhar

hot DOG

that is, assuming we get to demolish at least 50% of this by rampaging through it

We caused the rebuilding of new taloka clearly the world has a debt of 1 town to us

[dim plover]

Lol

[warm adder]

hey i played this game before

made like 50m off of phantom wood and quit

i never bothered to get gold wood though
or cave crawler

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay so far I got like red beard as sort of cult + pirate idea gojng on

And Fire and Water

The idea of hjs presence mark by boiling water could be cool

[woeful abyss]

Thats.. just Salted backwards

So its against what he was talking about

[slim belfry]

yes I am aware

[spring kernel]

i mean the only ones that have a dev's name backwards are 2 of the ones named after the original 3 admins

[warm flicker]

Fun meta-facts about Recipe for Disaster:

1. there IS a canonical ending for the quest, that being the player helps Brie. This is confirmed by Astralus, who we encountered in Brie's questline throwing us onto the moon to collect moonsalts, berating us again during the Sky Island lootrun, sending us onto a comet
2. due to Recipe for Disaster being the required quest to unlock the Juggler's fast travel to Ahmsord, it implies Chef Hamsey is actually the ruler of Ahmsord. This is because all of the other quests which unlock Juggler fast travel involve the rulers of their respective cities (Thesead's Mayor, the King of Rodoroc, Aldorei's Elders), as well as the Juggler alluding to conducting diplomacy with the four towns to set up the fast travel
   Source: me trying to make sense of in-game mechanics

[cerulean osprey]

does ahmsord even have a government

or is it just hamsey who somehow rules the place

[warm flicker]

Ahsmord is a town so its gotta have a government like the rest of the towns in wynncraft. Problem is theres 0 mention of who actually rules Ahmsord

therefore its actually Hamsey who rules the town with an iron fist (and oven mitten)

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s said to be occupy by rich traders

And also lived by adventurer

It portably still in control of villager government

Like every villager settlement in gavel

[warm flicker]

really? where does it say that?

[hybrid gazelle]

World discovery

Go to wiki and it’s there

[warm flicker]

found the wording: "The central city of the Sky Islands, Ahmsord is home to the wealthiest of traders, and the most revered of adventurers". I dont think this is implying its ruled by wealthy traders/adventurers, just that its inhabited by them. Then again I could be misunderstanding whats being said here. As for ur other comment, yeah Ahmsord is part of the villager government of Gavel, I was arguing we didnt know who the mayor of Ahmsord was. Maybe theyre a wealthy trader, maybe theyre even Hamsey, theres little to go off

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly let’s just say it ruled by government cause I feel that make more sense

I don’t thjnk it ruled by farmers and adventure cause like

That imply

Everyone living there ruled the town

Including like adventure who proabbly living in there for 2-3 days

I rather not have ham say cause that like

Have gordon Ramsay be ruler of England

The mayor could simply be just someone that the government find suitable to manage the town

And that it

I don’t think they could be trader because like

They actually have to organize trade and manage otjer stuff

Like airship

[digital swan]

I'm guessing it's something like how elusive the King of Troms is

We never see the mayor of Ahmsord because he's bogged down with paperwork

or maybe because he's Siegfried.

only joking

[exotic yew]

kinda funny they said this while cinfas has the biggest airport of all in the realm

[digital swan]

Ahmsord has a larger airport, but you don't get to use it, human

[obsidian bane]

is superman cannon

or was there just some guy locked away in the secret twain prison through a secret door in a grave that required a magic hat to even get close to
who happened to be named kal-el and who liked green rocks

I mean other than that all the other aliens are only from the moon no?

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK if this question is serious or not

bt if it true I feel like

I feel that a joke LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

There wybel and Wocs

[obsidian bane]

aren;t they both lunar

[hybrid gazelle]

no because we know Wybels are sapient

so like having htem act like that in moon would be weird

and that would imply therel ike 3 sapient spieces on the moon

which would be weird cause like

it's a moon nowhere it c an house that much civilization

[obsidian bane]

??
humyns literally live on the moon and they appear sapient

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but like

3 sapient spieces

on the moon

[obsidian bane]

why not though

[hybrid gazelle]

that like a lot for something that size

[hybrid gazelle]

because of the space

even then they did not comfirm to be from the moon

we know that Wybel is sapient but like

[obsidian bane]

if they all only have like one town worth of people

[hybrid gazelle]

it would notm ake sense if they acting as a pet on the moon LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

well consider how much we see wybel in the world, imply they capable of mass reproduction

like

there so much wybel

I highly dbout wybel in their native enviroment would be less in number

[digital swan]

No the only species on the moon is Wybels no?

the Humyns are just there cuz their ship crashed or something

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that also like

[hybrid gazelle]

there also the fact that those also not native to the moon

they crash landed there

[obsidian bane]

oh, I missed that lol

[digital swan]

and the Wocs are from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OGLE-2005-BLG-390Lb

citation: I'm a Woc

[obsidian bane]

I trust you dw

[obsidian bane]

ok so there are 4 confirmed alien races

that are (or were) in wynn

[digital swan]

Wybel, Humyn, Woc, and Eyefolk?

[obsidian bane]

superman

is literally

[digital swan]

oh 5

[obsidian bane]

in wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like superman is a joke

the thing is like

sometime yo gotta accept that CT at that time

were just fucking around

[obsidian bane]

ok but

its there

[hybrid gazelle]

as well as the beginning of AJB

it's there

but it like

hard to explain in canon

sometime you gotta accept it is what it is and CT just fucking around and having fun

also BYG too

it's there but some CT will tell you it's non canon

[digital swan]

BYG?

[hybrid gazelle]

if you want superman to be canon then sure yeah

Beyond the Grave

I meant BTG or whatever

[digital swan]

oh Krolton

uh what's the issue with Krolie

[obsidian bane]

• lands in wynn
• has superpowers that are not magic
• the twains lock him up either to study or cause he's crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

it about the entire quest not being canon or something

[digital swan]

it Whar.

why would they kill that quest it's so fun

[obsidian bane]

whawa why not though

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure if you going for narrative that Twain once lock up super alien in their prison

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend on who you ask

that why I say like

just come up with your own conclusion or just accept that sometime CT just goofing it off

for me I dont accept BTG as canon because it remove a lot of stake from the story

[digital swan]

Trashie what are you doing to Skien's Island in your rewrite

[obsidian bane]

they put an explanation for why the player experience is different to what the NPCs see, it is patching plot holes, why would BTG not be cannon

[hybrid gazelle]

because death has TV

look

I am just messenger

[digital swan]

it explains why you have infinite plot armor

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont really care either but for me I dont like BTG for my own personal reason

[obsidian bane]

death is death, slly things like time and technological development do not matter

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is

like I said

depend on CT you ask

[digital swan]

I mean there are so many TVs in game it's just that most of them are used by more advanced species

the Wybels have a TV

the uh

do the Wocs have a TV?

I think the Wocs have a TV

[hybrid gazelle]

Again I don’t really bother to remember much to why btg is non Canin

I got my own reason to not like it

[digital swan]

#freekrolton

[hybrid gazelle]

It just non canon to some ct

I guess

[digital swan]

If we make the events in Death's Realm non-canon then we also have to make the entirety of Shattered Minds and most of The Canary Calls non-canon because it's just you dreaming up shit

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah sure whatever

like beside canary call I dont really care about those two

[digital swan]

Shattered Minds is okay

[hybrid gazelle]

ok sure

[digital swan]

kinda annoying but okay

[hybrid gazelle]

whatever

yeah

sure

[exotic yew]

Is it? Because I feel like cinfas airport are more grand

[cerulean osprey]

and cinfras hass cross province travel

to wynn and back

[digital swan]

Ahmsord is pretty grand tho

and it would have cross province travel if we could use it prob

[exotic yew]

Does ahmsord even has an airport

[vestal rivet]

should cannonically
instead we have juggler fast travel for... reasons ig

[digital swan]

yeah

you see part of it in A Thousand Meters Under

and another part in Hero of Gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

Ahmsord do have airport but tbh it kinda hard to tell since like every single space in the city could be airport LMAO

[digital swan]

look out for the "Anti Airship Golems"

[hybrid gazelle]

Ahsmord is weird city to me

[digital swan]

there's a bunch all over Ahmsord

[hybrid gazelle]

it barely look like a city

but also it not

still not sure where living space

I can imagine it's a fancy place where all the rich would buy a house too since I think floating landmass would make for nice scenery

and also main travel for that region would be airship which is expensive

[digital swan]

yknow there's a town in Europe somewhere where all the houses got a driveway one one side and a taxiway on the other connected to the local airport

lemme see if I can find a picture

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[digital swan]

anyways that's what I think about Ahmsord

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

juggleri s funny so lmao

[digital swan]

in Ahmsord you don't have a stable for your horse, you have a dock for your airship! Would move there but it costs too much.

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[digital swan]

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

Ahsmord probaly need some rebuild cause I feel like it could be expand more

[warm adder]

autosmord

[rotund vortex]

are the corruption and decay the same thing

[hybrid gazelle]

no

completely different thing

[rotund vortex]

ok thanks

[vestal rivet]

both fill the role of "evil spreading thing on the land" and both have darkness involved but beyond that they're different
Decay is like when the light the area has become dependent on to survive has been stripped away, and left everything to, well, decay
technically not darkness like the force described, just the absence of the force of light where it was once present, caused by the dark parasite
the corruption is like the aftermath of the light and dark warring on a different plane leaking into wynn, corruption is actually a mix of both light and dark, and is more or less just cosmic violence manifested in the physical world

[quartz mist]

so

who here ever realized that orcs have a slur for villagers

[unique jungle]

i think i knew that

[quartz mist]

yunelsu miliyus xoeinbor and peloros all say it if you talk to them after finishing their tasks

[regal spire]

“Who you callin big nose, big nose?”

[quartz mist]

they use "grubs"

[digital swan]

is the mycelium-block material in the worst parts of Kander the same material as the ground of the Eyeball Forest
Since the trees are clearly well on their way to becoming Eyeball Trees you can already see the shape in the leaves

[dim plover]

Oh wait are they lol

I never noticed

(The trees becoming eyeball trees)

[digital swan]

they sorta look like it

the leaves on the kander trees

balls

[slender copper]

"balls" - 2005_LB_390_OGLE /j

[digital swan]

they are in fact balls

eyeless eyeballs if you will

while some other things here may be ballless eyeballs

[slender copper]

Yes, correct. There's an entire secret discovery on the origin of the eyeballs as well! Just the single word got me xD

[digital swan]

which happens to be one of the worst secret discoveries imo. Ah yes the obelisk that the light erected to counteract the Eldritch of the Silent Expanse made a fucking forest outta eyeballs with the eyes it got from the Lutho citizens
Ah yes making eye horror eldritch shit is perfectly in character for the light

[slender copper]

I thought that the darkness made use of the eyeballs and created a forest for them, not that the light made the forest itself.

Could be wrong (I mostly am)

[digital swan]

get a lore nerd to help I think

@regal spire yo we need your help

[slender copper]

The only lore I know best is my own and D&D (which is why I'm doing a D&D version of Wynncraft).

[vestal rivet]

my understanding is
the forest itself is older than the presence of light in gavel, but then the light came in and started helping this native life to the point of dependance
then once the light was eaten away by the parasite, that which was too dependent on the light started withering and, well, decaying
and the new growths we see is, possibly, whatever was growing in the forest before the light showed up

that and the parasite's brood tunneling around

[regal spire]

The obelisk only protects their souls. Their bodies are at the whim of darkness, and, without a soul, the body has nothing to protect it anymore, letting The Eye’s influence take full control

Kander shouldn’t actually get eye trees. I’m fairly certain this is specific to SE

Something about The Eye makes it specifically influence the area the way it did

[vestal rivet]

what I'm saying is the only darkness in the decay is from the parasite-ling things
everything else is just absent of light

possibly absent of anything, givent he light that filled it so entirely for so long was stripped away and left it all hollow

[regal spire]

There might be some dernic influence, because this place has a lot of very specific dernic entities, but it is mostly decayed

[vestal rivet]

1 dernic entity type only no?
the little baby parasites that came from the origianl bigger parasite

nothing else there is dernic

[regal spire]

Actually, quite a few. Kander is also a denizen to the shades, which are specifically described as dernic

[vestal rivet]

wait they are?

[regal spire]

Also, basically every entity in Kander has some kind of dernic origin

[regal spire]

Yeah, blade of shade has a lot of lore behind their physiology

[vestal rivet]

so ig the decay had the light removed then the dark added?

[regal spire]

It’s definitely the most specifically effected by Dern’s influence

[vestal rivet]

courtesy of the parasite and its brood ofc

[regal spire]

SE is far more affected, but there’s a lot more influence from the eye messing with the look of enemies

[dim plover]

Missed the days when everyone thought that Blade of Shade was a werewolf

[regal spire]

Wasn’t it a werewolf, though

It was changed some time before 2.1

[dim plover]

I sure thought so

[vestal rivet]

me when english has words with extremely similar meanings but are one letter apart fron each other and almost nobody can tell them apart

[regal spire]

Engrish har har

[vestal rivet]

affected by the english effect, if you will

[regal spire]

Eyerish

[vestal rivet]

affect is a verb effect is a noun that's the real difference
as to why, I have no clue, english has plenty of words that serve both parts of speech

[regal spire]

Oh, lol, didn’t even realize I did that

Cause and effect vs this affected me

Technically, depending on how you word and read the sentence, it can work

[digital swan]

is the Eye behind the existence of the Eyeball Farmers near Gelibord

[regal spire]

No, that’s just another aspect of Dern

Likely how it had an “effect” on the viscera dumped around Kander

Especially with the way the Lazarus Pit works

[quartz mist]

nope

it DID get a new skin but its old skin was also never a werewolf

[regal spire]

That’s crazy. What was the skin before?

I could’ve sworn it had a werewolf skin

[dim plover]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-memes/images/8/87/Unfortunatelyforyouhistorywillnotseeitthatway.png/revision/latest/thumbnail/width/360/height/450?cb=20200503025214

(I know it isn’t supposed to be a werewolf but when most people sees it as a werewolf the skin probably just really resembles a werewolf)

[quartz mist]

the head i used for it looked more like a gaunt, skull-like face in a hood, but other people apparently assumed it was a werewolf because it asked werewolf tails. there's a skeleton enemy in a cave near troms that still uses the head for the same kind of scorched skull look

[dim plover]

The werewolf tails do help yeah

But in addition to the fact that the face really does look like a werewolf lol

the fact that the shade lurkers in kander spawn in the same locations as the werewolves and venerable werewolves gave the subconscious assumption that these guys were also werewolves

(I’ve seen the jungle enemy but that cave’s really obscure and you only see the guy for like five seconds anyways)

@regal spire I don’t have a clear image of old Blade of Shade here’s some weird angles

But yeah people (including me) saw that as bushy black eyebrows and a snout

And I get that the gray skintone is still valid for a skull but like

We’ve seen like thirty grey furry werewolves at this point it was only inevitable

[regal spire]

Yeah, I knew it has features close to the werewolves around Gelibord

I see what it’s supposed to be, now, but that’s really hard to tell, especially with the werewolf tails kinda screwing with preconceived perceptions

[dim plover]

(I still can’t see a skull lol)

The regular-ass eyes are throwing me off hard

That and the nose

(Which Minecraft skulls never have, btw)

[regal spire]

The 3 dark grey pixels at the bottom of the head kinda help me see it

[quartz mist]

then, or presently? cause shade lurkers didnt even exist in kander at the time

they were in the dark forest not kander

[dim plover]

Oh right dark forest, sorry

Got it mixed up

[quartz mist]

and werewolves only ever showed up in kander

[dim plover]

Wolves have that dark line for their mouths as well

[quartz mist]

but yeah. i always saw that as a scorched skull with horns

[dim plover]

Horns?

[quartz mist]

the gray bits on top you thought were ears

[dim plover]

Oh

Well it’s a different creature now so I guess that’s a fun resolution

[quartz mist]

not super relevant anymore since lurkers are very definitely distinct now yeah

[dim plover]

Did make a funny video out of it though

[digital swan]

still ain't get it what's a lurker

[quartz mist]

lurkers are shadows coalesced around a particular point. when some particular item becomes inundated with a certain kind of magic to the point that it can no longer hold it, they expand out and create a lurker. as lurkers become stronger they can hide that vulnerable object underneath other shadows. when their form becomes destabilized through damage, that point expels more of its energy, and it sloughs off into a new one, which absorbs the energy of the destabilized previous form and becomes stronger, but this may cause its point to become exposed, at which point they're vulnerable to destruction. they can do this at will but most don't. the more power they hold, the more they can split and absorb energy and thereby keep themselves alive. if given enough time the split lurkers will be compelled to rejoin themselves. and the more magic held, the more their shadows coagulate over each other and crystallize. they know instinctively that their point is vulnerable and that they can absorb the powers of other lurkers, as they're all made from the same kind of energy, so different strengths of lurkers will hunt each other. lurkers on the same level from each other will typically not hunt each other- a coinflip chance is not a risk they would take. hence why the weakest, the night lurkers, stick to picking off enemies from a distance while shade lurkers, who are stronger, are willing to get up close and personal to attack at melee. and the blade of shade is the strongest lurker, head and shoulders above all other lurkers, being the first and only one to Fully Awaken

[digital swan]

So can we create lurkers given a way to inundate an object with that magic

or would it take a more magical species

say Elves

[quartz mist]

i mean, if anyone found out this knowledge in-universe and was able to channel that Certain Kind Of Magic and had the Particular Item nevessary, yes

[digital swan]

How particular of an item

[quartz mist]

fairly particular

[digital swan]

and is there a way to identify said item

since at least some reliks can clearly be inundated with some magic seeing Panic Zealot

[hybrid gazelle]

still wroking on redbeard redesign and need to fix up his color later

[quartz mist]

to Identify, no, to identify, yes

[hybrid gazelle]

but rn I am working on the idea of warlock pirate

[digital swan]

not item identifier I mean

[quartz mist]

pz's animation and lurkers' animation are distinct

[digital swan]

so it's not the same kind of magic

so whatever the magic that creates lurkers, it's not raw dernic magic

and is there anyone in the game world who would be willing to divulge this information both of obtaining an item suitable and of the ritual needed to create a lurker

[quartz mist]

pz IS the object. lurkers grow out from around it

ugh mobile

[digital swan]

ah

[quartz mist]

anyway there arent any homegrown lurkers

[digital swan]

if there were, could one be made stronger than the Blade of Shade

[quartz mist]

if you fed it well enough with other lurkers

like, potentislly

but thered probably be much easier and more efficient ways to make a dangerous monster

maybe

[digital swan]

alright
and with corkian technology be we mass produce lurkers given the knowledge of how to make one

[digital swan]

oh?

[quartz mist]

if you want to make lurkers as guards you can forget it. being made by you wouldnt instill any loyalty

[digital swan]

oh no not guards

oh and how cheap could this be made

[hybrid gazelle]

reading this so I can use this lore for this guy

[digital swan]

and how small

I'm looking for something that could fit in a medium sized room

but if necessary, I could take something the size of Llevigar

actually the size and shape of Llevigar

would be nice

[quartz mist]

i wouldnt imagine them to exactly be EASY to budget

[digital swan]

but yknow a medium sized room would be nicer, less scaffolding necessary

[quartz mist]

i mean, lurkers are roughly humanoid in size so

[digital swan]

I mean, for a factory to mass produce them

[quartz mist]

mass production sounds like it would be unfeasible

[digital swan]

doesn't need to be super mass

[dim plover]

Shine a flashlight at them

[digital swan]

like not assembly line fast

maybe 1 monster per 2 minutes

[quartz mist]

yeah that would not be possible

[digital swan]

what's the minimum

[quartz mist]

i think were getting into a level of granularity that is damaging to consider

[digital swan]

well in any case as long as they can be contained for long periods of time we could probably wait for enough to build up and then send them out as a massive wave

since after all they don't attack other of the same strength, no?

[quartz mist]

not typically but they do start from the bottom

so they have to take risks at some point

[digital swan]

that's the nice thing about lurkers they're smarter than some Other monsters I know

in any case could a factory of reasonable speed be made smaller than Llevigar (vertical space should be mostly irrelevant)

[quartz mist]

.

[digital swan]

alright

well assuming everything works out
do you think we could teach the dern beast a lesson about immigration control

[digital swan]

Hell it's even better each phase of Blade of Shades increases in health as it duplicates, and it has 16 copies at the end
If you strengthen that how many could you get out of a level 120 lurker? 6 duplications? 8 duplications? Imagine it's powerful enough to split into 128 copies, if you send in 100 at a time, by the time they've scuffled themselves down to their last phases you have 12 thousand lurkers crowding the Realm of Dern
they don't even have to fight other things if they just attack each other and split that way
And what's the Dern Beast going to do about it? Attack them, oh look the population just doubled
Oh and of course we keep sending more and more

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[wanton surge]

what if the silent expanse is an alternate dimension

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean

[slim belfry]

did you know there's a whole realm for that

[spring kernel]

my favourite piece of deltarune lore

the one where you make weirds

[regal spire]

Weird coincidence

[buoyant depot]

would an Obsessor be able to dispatch theorick / fake death / gale as easily as it does a gullible player? 🤔

[regal spire]

They’re just organic beings with magical prowess, so the first 2 yeah. Gale idk, because they’re a ghost, but probably

They could all also fight against an obsessor, because they all have armor/protection against it (you need skin to skin contact with it, presumably, to actually effect you)