#📚lore_discussion

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violet vector
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Wynn was mostly farmers

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But twain lore states that some people are just born with magic or smth

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Maybe he just found one?

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Oh place shoot

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Ya it doesn't make a lot of sense

hybrid gazelle
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and more like civilization of magic

violet vector
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Ya ik

hybrid gazelle
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sound like gavel but

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that impossible

violet vector
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It's cooked

hybrid gazelle
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so closet thing is jungle atives

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honestly my take is that jungle natives are decedent of olms

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I like the idea of after escaping from Dern

violet vector
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Olms were before hashr time?

hybrid gazelle
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yeah olms were there before any human step into the province

violet vector
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There could have been something like the twain family back then

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But bigger

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We can't really tell

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But if we take what hashr says as canon

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That means it's canon that there was an ancient civilisation that knew magic in Wynn

hybrid gazelle
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yeah but like

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we dont really know that so the only thing we can go off is what we know

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which only option being jungle native

violet vector
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I like my headcanon of there being an ancient magic civilisation

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Also jungle natives are like not friendly iirc

hybrid gazelle
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huh?

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what you mean

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Iboju tribes is friendly

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so as Entamis tree tribe

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They even help Troms establish their citilization

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Troms literally have their library as templ eof legends

violet vector
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Oops

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Sorry

dim plover
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Do we know when Olms existed

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Like what year range

hushed obsidian
dim plover
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I'm trying to find a pinpoint earliest known year we've seen them but Wynncraft hasn't told us much about them timeline-wise

warm flicker
hushed obsidian
warm flicker
hushed obsidian
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ahh okay

dim plover
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Also one came from space while the other came presumably from Dern

quartz mist
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it was named after the song Cruel Sun by a band called Rusted Root

eternal helm
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Can someone remind me the significance of this again what was it?

dim plover
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Annihilation forming New Sun implies that Annie is responsible for the creation of outer space as we know it

eternal helm
eternal helm
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Bc there are passive ones

quartz mist
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qq, do you know how to put metal into a fire to make it melt? do you know how to put pencil to paper and draw?

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just answer honestly n go with it

eternal helm
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But the fact u can’t talk or interact with them is like

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Eh

warm flicker
eternal helm
# warm flicker more or less yeah

Tbh that actually makes a little bit of sense…bc just having the world be like split into light, darkness, etc. feels odd, it makes more sense if they came from somewhere else and then used our would as the battleground

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*world

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The reason why Orphion doesn’t want 100% control is weird then tho idk

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actually it would be a little interesting if after defeating Dern, orphion goes for world domination and you have to then stop the light and banish it from taking over, bc iirc there’s also realms for the elements that exist(?) peacefully rn

digital swan
quartz mist
warm adder
digital swan
quartz mist
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do you think with that basic knowledge, you could on your first try create a full flawless set of armor, or make a museum-worthy artwork

dim plover
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Do we know why that funny place West of Cinfras is named The Forgery

warm adder
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you forge key

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probably

dim plover
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Are the terms “Forgery” and “Forge” synonymous with each other?

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Like, Forgery refers to a copy but can it also refer to a location where you forge things

digital swan
warm adder
warm adder
dim plover
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What does a forgery sorta atmosphere mean

warm adder
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Idek

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it just feels like it

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yk

slim belfry
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it should just be called a Forge

digital swan
slim belfry
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what's they in this context

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could be the dungeons now that I think about it

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the dungeons being copies of the actual dungeons?

regal spire
quartz mist
hybrid gazelle
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Omg thanks you

regal spire
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I think it’s justifiable she does what she does for the first encounter. Her second one, with the life of someone she cared about on the line, that should’ve been more than enough to call for action.
It also doesn’t help that Dullahan is shown to consistently reaffirm with her multiple times that she needs to kill this thing, no matter what. It’s the fact that she does have an outside perspective to lead her to doing what she is supposed to do, in the form of Dullahan, but she outright refuses it, and even deceived him

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That’s what made her the most infuriating to me, because given the circumstances, she has no reason beyond something selfish to do what she did. Heat of the moment or not, this is a second chance to fix her mistake, and she outright refused to do it, this time

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And, it’s actually a super interesting concept, because you have a ton of potential there to build “ego”, and portray her as someone who genuinely believes that this is the only way, and actively dismisses the perspectives of others, purely because she was chosen. It doesn’t even have to be a noticeably arrogant portrayal, but it could be so interesting to see how a submissive, egocentric personality works

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Someone who “listens” to others, and will agree with them, but won’t respect it, basically nodding and yes-ing, because she just genuinely believes her position outweighs their perspective

crimson shale
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Since NOBODY seems to get it, I'll explain
Killing = evil
Lari knows this.
Lari thinks that if she kills, she won't be accepted by the light (Orphion) and thinks that the only reason she wasn't accepted previously was because of her lack of something else.

warm adder
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isnt lari dead somehow

crimson shale
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Getting accepted by the light is more important to her because she was previously 'chosen' and places her duty above the lives of friends and family because she knows the ultimate goal is to protect others and get rid of the corruption.

crimson shale
warm adder
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where is lari home

dim plover
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I mean, Orphion could’ve been the tiniest bit clearer and clarified to Lari in like a single sentence or smth

I mean his literal life was on the line here it’s kinda his fault for not saying “Yo Lari pacifism is not an option kill the damn thing”

crimson shale
regal spire
crimson shale
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How would she have seen the realm of light before RoL2 (where she's declined once again, while the player is accepted)

regal spire
crimson shale
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Ahh ok. I forgot that part

regal spire
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It’s aight

digital swan
regal spire
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But, that’s another part to mention: we don’t really know why she thinks this way. Her perspective is not at all shared throughout a majority of elves. The elders might actually be the reason she even got access to the RoL, and subsequently assumed her role as Orphion’s protector

digital swan
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and in this case it's wayyyy more than saving 4 lives overall

regal spire
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Beyond that, we don’t know what she went through and experienced to be deemed a worthy choice. We haven’t a single clue as to why she sticks to her passivity, and why she refused to fight back. It’s all shown in bits and pieces, where she’s just shown failing and refusing to take action where it was most necessary, ultimately being given 3rd party perspectives to what really happened

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That’s, ultimately, her biggest flaw. We just don’t have enough of what she truly went through to get a reason for why she thinks and acts the way she does

digital swan
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How to kill a deontologist: give them a gun and attack them with a knife

regal spire
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I think the first part of a Lari rework is just showing why she is a pacifist. Give us some more info on what Orphion may have mislead her on, and it would make a lot of what she does easier to justify, beyond it being she has an ego

digital swan
dim plover
digital swan
warm adder
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ididnotknowthischannelwassorecent

brittle coyote
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wat

warm adder
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up

dim plover
digital swan
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or was yours just an image?

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I forget

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please do make it a gif if it isn't tho I'd like to bookmark it

dim plover
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It’s an image

dim plover
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Also the player probably wasn’t the one who killed Lari in the full gif

digital swan
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now it is a gif

unique jungle
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i dont think this is what they are referring to by "chopped"

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tho i will say im not up on slang

digital swan
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better yet a favorited gif

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it's chopped in the sense of chopped liver

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and that's good enough for me

hybrid gazelle
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omfg you got maturity of fucking 12 years old LMAO

warm adder
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im 1

hushed obsidian
heavy sun
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After all, corruption is just the conflict between light and dark

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and if we utilise the power from all meteors, we may gain some sort of ability that allows us to withstand the corruption

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and we can survive in the realm without us becoming corrupted ourselves

eternal helm
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(Ultra-Purified Helmet Of The Legends)

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lmao

heavy sun
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bruh

hushed obsidian
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Pure Helmet of the Legend. THE Legend. The one and only Legend. The PLAYER

dim plover
violet vector
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The problem is that the gylia meteor has no reason to be related to light

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It has something to do with alien magic

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If it was related to the light then elves would have known already

hushed obsidian
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"alien" magic is referred to as cosmic magic

hybrid gazelle
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after some discussion with friends

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hoenstly it would be interesting if player face consequence of going off duty around mid game

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and all the troms storyline stuff is essentially player's punishment of going AWOL

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the storyline could go like, the player send to Gavel to help with the orc war and player went missing to do all different kind of shit that they never really said to go do

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I imagine at some point the player would be notify by Detlas scout or messenger that Admiral Aegis wish to see them

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I can imagine he just absolutely pissed because player essentially missing without telling so anything could happen back in Wynn like for example a battle could occur that player should have participate but due to them going missing(could be reoccuring thing since player do that with Maxie's marriage)

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Admiral Aegis send the player to do assignemnts in Troms as some form of punishment(One of them could be about dealing with bane of the great bridges)

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and maybe after some slykaar shit going on

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Maybe player could get discharge for real in someway

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like maybe Admiral Aegis come to conclusion that it's far better of if player, Tasim, and Aledar operate on their own and let them continue Bob's footsteps

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consider Aegis met Bob before I can imagine he could see him in the gang

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and there like some narrative intnetion of making player following Bob's footsteps

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I think that could allow wynncraft story to stay pretty much the same but recontextualize events in the game to make the story more engaging

hushed obsidian
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I think this sounds generally like it would be interesting but not entirely fitting in the game. There is also the issue of Aledar pretty clearly working for the military at the start of ajb but that could ofc be adjusted

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it has aspects of telling the player they did something wrong when there was nothing they could have done righ that I don't like

hybrid gazelle
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because like ofc if we talk about that this sugegestion make no sense

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also yeah player did something wrong and I feel like that make the story intresting

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and I see this as a way to fix the story without needing to change a lot of thing

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the alternate is readjust everything like quest progression

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which would be a lot of work

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so this suggestion more like how to keep everything the same but recontextuialize event

hushed obsidian
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I think my second message is a bigger concern though

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that it probably would feel great for the players to experience

hybrid gazelle
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then the quest gotta be arrange and adjust

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lol

hushed obsidian
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and it might give a feeling of a lack of freedom in what they should do maybe.

hybrid gazelle
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like IDK hwat else to say, I am speaking suggestion from the idea of arreanging quest and stuff is not an option

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well in that case we can talk alot about other time player just keep being force thing they would not do

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but that would hypocrite to my oriignal point where this is like

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suppose to ignore other flaw stuff in wynncraft writing that would not make the idea work

hushed obsidian
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the way in which the player being part of the military is portrayed in the lore can definitely be improved but I don't think telling the player what they are doing is wrong is the right way to do it.

hybrid gazelle
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IDK I feel like going awol is pretty wrong thing to do consider how the story goes

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and I feel like so far player character being glaze a lot as this special guy kinda make the story stale cause you get like ROL where it just

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keep proving players in the right all the time without challenging them anything

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Beside I think palyer oding something wrong is not necessary a bad thing, it at least make thing more realistic and groudned
palyer character is not perfect and there is consequence in what they do

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it's could open a lot more intresting idea to discuss

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about how their absence lead to many people death becuase without them, there could be a battle that coudl be won with out them

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but they aren ot there since they been helping like grandma grundle to find her new set of fake teeth off in Gavel

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it also can be protray differently

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maybe it not extacltly wrong thing to do but people should be reminded that they have duty to uphold as a soldier

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I think trying to make palyer feel like they only doing something like just bit hand holding and not using the premise of them being recruit well

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maybe admiral aegis can be understanding toward player tendency to help people no matter what even if it's not their job to do so but their absence still need to be punish or have consequence

hushed obsidian
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it's always been my interpretation of the lore that the player is supposed to be out and about helping people

hybrid gazelle
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it is but the thing that peopel with soldiers as profession do

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because they serve the army

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they have bigger thing to do like getting ready to sent in a battle just wynn usually have

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they cant just go aorund all over the world helping people because there just some place that needed more

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So ofc there should be conseuqence when going AWOL

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that like having a job as delieverman but you out there helping random people instead of doing your job

There always will be consequence

hushed obsidian
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We are also just recruits that where forced to work for the military by Fruma so idk how much the rules they didn't chose are enforced on New Fruman recruits

hybrid gazelle
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Some moderation must be there

hushed obsidian
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I agree we need clearer military lore in some way though

hybrid gazelle
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and it's a program after all

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level of organization and moderation must be there

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Wynn province is in constnat war against corruption

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every man count

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every chance of replenish count

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if they just let recruits run wild then yeah it's an issue

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espically when they dont know if that said recruits have combat experience or not

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they might have send those people that freshly have their memory wipe into their death in wilderness

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there have to be some level of organization and moderation

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and even then ofc they going to enforce

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I never ask to be born in Thailand as a man but I still have to do ROTC or join thea rmy

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yet the country still find a way to enforce that

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And etih Wynn province it even more important

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when their enemies are raging undead with no need of logistic or morality

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their enemies have advantage in everything over them

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so whatever they have in their hand is important and need to be kept in moderation

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They have to enforce these new recruits
cause if not that mean one of their source of recruitsment essentially wasted

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and so far it does not seem like Wynn millitary are stupid or careless if you ignorte these writing flaws

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they are competent

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that why I just see these writing flaws as writing flaws and not millitary in Wynn province being incompetent or unresponsible

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Also I dont think we need clearer millitary lore as in depth but just shown they are active

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Players going AWOL? Yeah they acknowledge that and respond accordingly

forest solar
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why is tna named greg?

knotty rampart
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cuz he is greg

forest solar
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it was just a anomalies thing to name him greg in the wynn community?

hybrid gazelle
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yeah

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it literally just name given by the community

forest solar
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oh ok

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greg

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i just killed him

neat oriole
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gerg

warm adder
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gerg

eternal helm
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ergg

cold cove
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regg

warm adder
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gegr

quartz mist
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eggr

exotic bough
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egrg

bleak torrent
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Ggre

dim plover
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If like a quarter of SE was presumably struck by large Dern fireballs then where are all the craters

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If they were all aimed at the Olmic City why is the modern version still relatively intact

regal spire
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Don’t know what happened to them after, but I think they probably sprouted into a majority of the black walls we see now

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Not to mention a lot of the big spirals/fountain esc structures, like in the eyeball forest

dim plover
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Everything else from my memory looks relatively fine, at least from the exterior

warm adder
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rgeg

hybrid gazelle
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Very nitpicky but Dern sending fireballs definitely one of the most boring execution they could have done as form of Dern attack

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Feel like there could be more inspiration in making Dern feel more unknown and imposing than just big fireball lmao

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But oh well it is what it is

storm scaffold
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might be the wrong place to ask this but what happens to elphaba and lucio after the first half of a journey beyond

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like what happens w the items they dropped

hybrid gazelle
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They died

digital swan
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and thank goodness they did

warm flicker
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from what i gathered, the Dern Beast's attack consisted of multiple phases (sorta like the alien invasion from Fifth Wave).

The first attack was the fireball, however it is never confirmed that it was the fireball which destroyed the SE. No lore or secret discovery text ever confirms if it was the fireball that caused everything, nor is there any evidence of a crater like u said trashie. Mere moments after that fireball is seen crashing through the atmosphere, the secret discovery scene cuts to black. Maybe that was the moment the fireball crashed, or maybe the fireball served as a distraction for the actual beginning of the Dern Beast's attack. Either way, after the first attack, Olmic central government and institutions were wiped out.

The second attack (likely minutes after the first) I'd imagine would be mutation of the ecosystem. The first creatures of darkness would emerge and assimilate the Olm. We know via the cancereater that there was still an Olmic presence simultaneously to the new Dernic resources popping up in the SE. This is also when the "beast's follower" as mentioned in the Fate of the Olm discovery existed, either as a highly mutated creature of darkness or an entity from Dern proper. In short, the terrain begins changing, the animals and plantlife mutate into entities serving Dern and hostile to Olmic life (also likely when the black spikes began popping up. This attack could have lasted anywhere from a few days to multiple years.

The third attack would likely be assimilation of the Olm. The Olm somehow avoided mutating alongside the land, either because the Dern Beast wanted them in as pristine a condition as possible or the Dern Beast simply could not mutate them the same way it did the ecosystem. Instead, the Olm would be attacked and "assimilated" into new lifeforms, from all Eyefolk to the strange beings walking the ruined city. This would be when the Olm would escape to the jungle

storm scaffold
violet vector
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Why do you want to know 💀

hybrid gazelle
storm scaffold
hybrid gazelle
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Theh just die to uhh

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Se critter

hybrid gazelle
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I just feel like Dern could be subtle and unknown with its attack than loud and obvious fireball with no subtly or unknown

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I think one of my main gripe of wynncraft is that the way they protray light and dark just feel lame from the fact it does not feel all that abstract or anything

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Like take darkness devil from chainsaw man for exmaple

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I feel like there must be some level of abstraction for dark and light

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Nol also one of my gripe because it seem like jsut a structure

I feel like something along the line of chaos realm from warhammer would work really well with what they are gojng for

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Nexus of light always feel weird to me cause

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Why does this otherworldly being that has no attracted no mortal concept need all these rooms?

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Like I know this go against the whole abstraction nitpick thst I have

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But I just feel like nol just

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Like 70% of it only exidt for raid

warm flicker
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now that i think about it, having NOL be like TNA in terms of eldritch abstraction would be kinda cool, rn NOL looks like an expanded version of Bob's reincarnation dimension

hybrid gazelle
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Light and dark suppose to be in opposite end of spectrum

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So yes i think both of themselve deserve to be abstract

warm flicker
# hybrid gazelle I just feel like Dern could be subtle and unknown with its attack than loud and ...

also if u want my fan theory, the Dern Beast knew the Olm could predict the future, so decided to go for a prolonged strategy to lower the guards of the Olmic civilization. If the Olm knew a fireball would appear over their city right before a cataclysm in the far future, they would look out for one. Problem is they dont know exactly when it is. So the Dern Beast lobs fireballs over the city over hundreds of years, wearing out the readiness of the Olm until he launched the last fireball. Thing is, the fireballs were never the danger, they distracted the Olm from the real invasion...

...as for what that actual invasion was, we have nothing

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no idea if i explained it clearly so feel free to ask questions

hybrid gazelle
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Ehhh

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I mean thst fine

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I just like

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This is very convoluted way of trying to excuse of a lame execution that is fireball cutscene

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Especially I feel like it would be more horrifying if one day the olm city just engulf in darkness

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each citizens were unknowingly being taken in the dark

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So the survivors only hope is light source

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Knowing thst if they briefly plunge into the dark they would disappear

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All of this explain to you in form of a note of last few former survivor

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Lock in a room with a lantern thst now been snuffed out

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Nothing much to go off

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All you know when the dark consume you, it take you

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Dern being this overwhelming force of unknown darkness that you have nothing to go off when up against it

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It feel utterly hopeless and inevitable that eventually everyone in olmic city will be taken

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With everyone thst not been taken yet habe no idea what happen to those who are disappear

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There is no explaination or any detial

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The darkness just come and take everyone

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No explosion, no blood, no violence

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Just uncaring darkness taking what it want and leave the city empty without any trace as if it never been anyone home

regal spire
dim plover
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Still don’t remember anything that resembles a meteor or fireball crashing into a building though

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If it did then the insides of the buildings won’t look abandoned (albeit fine, all the stuff is still in the rooms) and rather have like, impact sites

quartz mist
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whats not to understand

regal spire
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Anyone know who Kaas is, and what their fur is doing

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All I can find on it is a Dutch translation for hardened dairy products

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(Which would be funny, if the name is referencing some kind of moldy legging)

quartz mist
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also remove the j and spell it backwards

digital swan
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neusatz

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FUCK

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AUTOCORRECT

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nesaak

dim plover
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I'm confused about the location of the Gylia meteors
Are we meant to assume that they're at the end of the cave in Purple and Blue?

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digital swan
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i see

dim plover
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Because they look a little small

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Compared to like, the Ult Discovery

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That and the Ult Discovery also shows what I think are the Gylia Meteors in the cave before you see this cutscene as well

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Which is kinda strange

digital swan
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did they dissolve in the water

dim plover
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Idk?????

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We see them before this cutscene and also in Purple and Blue

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But both are in like, completely different caves

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Is one of them just supposed to be outdated or something

digital swan
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what's his name again

dim plover
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Yeah that's the Purple and Blue one

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Are those the meteors?

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Or is it just fragments of them

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The crash didn't seem to break them apart

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Also those are way too big to be fragments

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Yet too small to be the actual meteors we see in the cutscene

digital swan
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ye I'm saying nikoler ATE them.

dim plover
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Oh did he lol

digital swan
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and so did Yahya Nohno and Mehme

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combined the four of them should be able to get that much off the meteors surely(n't)

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this is also why we leave nikoler to die the only other option is a long suffering and painful death by Eating Meteor

digital swan
warm adder
slender copper
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Because I want to revise and rewrite Wynncraft in a D&D setting, characters without much lore will be given more backstory elements. This is 100% for my entertainment and perhaps others who enjoy cool lore, and no means should be taken seriously. There are three things I would like to keep consistent throughout the writing.

The race/class fits with the powers which was set for the original character.
The personality of the original character is mostly unchanged in a D&D setting.
The quests/storyline are mostly unchanged from the original story.

Here is the things I've logged so far for Aledar, there may be other things I've missed.

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crimson shale
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So if you run away from Tasim while you're on your way from Nivla to Detlas during the Mushroom Man quest (spamming movement spell), he gets some bonus dialogue.

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hybrid gazelle
slender copper
eternal helm
# dim plover

This reminds me abt someone’s theory abt the meteors signifying two things, the blue ones changing your time in reality and the purple changing your position- like how in time valley you see blue rocks everywhere outside of the dungeon area etc

visual solstice
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U guys see that custom modeled knight in the banner for mob designers, wonder if those are like the highest position of knights in fruma

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The white armored one with the shield

hybrid gazelle
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Likely not highest

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Consider how these are just teaser

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It would be odd to show top enemies like this

visual solstice
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I guess

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But probably of a high rank tho

upbeat harbor
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Higher than the rest at least

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What could possibly be the white stuff in the sky in the background

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hybrid gazelle
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Yeah higher rank no doubt about that

upbeat harbor
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Clouds

hybrid gazelle
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Aftually yeah

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That one fucked up cloud

upbeat harbor
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It stretches though out the entire area behind the gate

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Maybe is a constantly cloudy industrial district

regal spire
upbeat harbor
regal spire
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I adore this mob, btw

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Cannot wait for every mob to be durum protector

limber swan
visual solstice
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Maybe snow from mountains?

vestal rivet
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I do hope Fruma ends up being the first taste of some kind of modern lore methodology
then maybe the next "big thing" is a split between endgame touch-ups (assuming Fruma doesn't address it some way itself, which I think it likely will) and changes to older content to bring everything back up to "form"

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because I know the inconsistent lore doesn't just get under my skin

hybrid gazelle
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Tbh it seems like it is
SE kinda close but it stuck with questionable written quests and few lack luster discovery

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Feel like fruma going to be the first time the ct using their full skill to tell a story

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Not saying se is not but

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It kinda hard to tell when ajb and ajf is

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Is whatever it is

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Not saying it the spawn of Satan but killing off your character without any build up or have player connected to them morr before killing them definitely a choice

cyan sapphire
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Blue and orange belt

hybrid gazelle
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Just updated color scheme

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They essentially same model with same pose

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Consider tbe use of teal in fruma promotion

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I think it likely that they simply updating the color of border guard

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Becuase the original color scheme while not bad

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It feel unalliance or generic

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So the new color scheme improve thst a lot

cyan sapphire
lean wadi
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Communist specialist

twin sail
hybrid gazelle
#

purely speculation

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but consider what they capable of with updated Haros fight

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it liekly that fruma enemies will fight in formation or have unique role during combat

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probably only the case in more scripted arena fight because I can hardly see it work in overworld

upbeat harbor
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I hope they keep dropping subtle teasers like this

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Or even better

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A trailer

hybrid gazelle
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it relase in early 2026

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we AINT getting any trailer until 2026 LOL

real onyx
#

imagine if they release a trailer on the 1st of April

vestal rivet
#

Shadow of the Erdtree level design here we come?

lean wadi
#

No no the guy he switch profen with soem other word. And the world has changed ever since that incident has happen, dont say that medicine name

elder forge
quiet heath
#

I'm always curious why there is close to no info about this mob online

exotic bough
warm flicker
regal spire
warm flicker
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mb, yeah it was an obsessor

regal spire
warm adder
#

elphaba was eaten by a tick or somethiung right

regal spire
#

A big ole bug, ye

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Or she fused into a bug, maybe idk it’s kinda vague

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Elphalba being eaten alive, piece by piece is horrifying

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(Lucio has an objectively worse fate, but it’s not super known that obsessors are kinda the worst hive mind to ever be a part of)

vestal rivet
#

I mean
is Lucio still Lucio inside that hivemind

regal spire
#

No, he’s just in constant torment forever

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Basically worse than hell, and he’ll never be free, and never have his full consciousness returned to him

vestal rivet
#

so he's still partially aware in there?
I figured he'd either been effectively erased or was effectively brainwashed once absorbed

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because assuming it IS him talking to us in that one part, he's more been brainwashed

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

so he became part of a neural network and is too perpetually out of it from overstimulation of the brain to fully realize what's happening/has happened to him

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accurate?

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

although that still doesn't explain why he said it was so great, the best he would've been able to manage is an "uuughghghhhhhhhh......." or smthn
that is unless the obsessors gave him nerve commands

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

oh brilliant so he was a complete meat puppet not yet biologically broken down into black goo entirely

dim plover
vestal rivet
regal spire
vestal rivet
#

vegetable implies no mental activity
you are implying he is still conscious in there

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unless I read that wrong

regal spire
#

I’m thinking more entirely paralyzed, half brain dead, but in constant agony

regal spire
#

Basically, an objectively worse fate than Aledar

vestal rivet
#

Aledar got oblivion
Elphaba either got a more normal afterlife, or her soul is trapped in SE and got eaten/take/whatever else by something else
Lucio got biological assimilation so I guess he technically survived but the suffering never ends, or the odd half-aware suffering he is in

regal spire
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I think about Aledar’s death, from time to time, when playing, and it leaves a pit in my stomach the longer I think about it

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I think it’s because it’s the most real death, where there’s nothing left

vestal rivet
#

soul destruction does feel like it's probably oblivion

regal spire
#

Like, elphalba might have her soul intact, maybe. Lucio’s is super eldritch, so it’s not really based in reality, but Aledar just basically got a real death

vestal rivet
#

would be messed up if the dern expansion happened and we see Lucio pop up as a random obsessor mob
actually, does his skin have a chance of appearing as an obsessor's skin? and his name too for that matter

regal spire
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No afterlife, no awareness, just instant boom lights out no more anything

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

oh yeah

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I did bring that up myself didn't I

regal spire
#

You did, ho ho ho 🎅

vestal rivet
#

the obsessor goo can most likely form new bodies
that one miner was prob formed of goo, she melted and reassembled to get to where she was I'm guessing

regal spire
#

I believe so

vestal rivet
#

I wanna kill the obsessor goo pool
where's maxie when you need him to invent a weapon of mass destruction

slim belfry
#

future corkus update in 2027

vestal rivet
#

we need to take the heart of TCC and use it to make a bomb

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

now, can I use flupper to make it burn a little faster?

regal spire
slim belfry
#

free corruption

vestal rivet
#

Light Bender now has an interaction where every darkness enemy it hits with Ophanim just explodes

regal spire
vestal rivet
quartz mist
vestal rivet
#

so we grab his inorganic helmet or smthn then would make more sense

quartz mist
#

the whole obsessor section was done with a total disregard to what they were supposed to be, with the obsessor immediately breaking the illusion after showing up as Lucio again, not even bothering to try and trick you

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by the time you reach the cave, lucio doesnt exist anymore

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the person he was is gone and is never coming back

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every part of him was discarded, every memory, every hope or dream or unique thought

hybrid gazelle
#

That remind me how my idea of remaking ajb is making entire section dedicated to obessessor

regal spire
quartz mist
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they are a hivemind of slimes or slime molds that ended up gaining the heat and consistency of boiling tar, and developing sentience and sensation via the dark influence, in much the same ways as the dark influence warped many of the creatures in SE.

their thought processes are very, very simple, and since they lived in a cave that nothing ever really entered aside from little midges and insects and did not have even basic sensorium before, they were never hurt- but with the dark influence changing things and them growing outwards, they grew to know what pain and fear felt like, and came to two realizations.

one, if they stayed in their cave, they would be safe and remain un-hunted.

two, other things that are alive...can also feel pain. and wouldnt it be nice if pain didnt exist?

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as they ended up able to assimilate other things into themselves, they decided to be brave, and brave the risk of pain to try and help all those poor in pain creatures by making them one, where they can be happy and content and never ever ever leave ever.

regal spire
#

Now that I think about it, I might’ve gotten the lore of the masked creature from look outside mixed up with obsessors

hybrid gazelle
#

Selvut have you play or seen still wake the deep

quartz mist
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they prefer to take willing targets, or if that is not possible, target the brain to speed along the assimilation process, dampen nerve endings to reduce the pain as much as possible, and erase the parts of it that can cause a fear response to make the process as easy as possible.

once it touches you(lorewise), that's it. amputate or it WILL spread and WILL overtake you. since they dont fully understand the nature of sentience and how that makes people grow attached to things, the hivemind keeps some of the things they cant assimilate for...well, they cant remember why its important anymore, really, but it was important at some point and it doesnt hurt to keep, so they will keep it to be extra nice to themselves

quartz mist
regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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Watch jt trust it like

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Really good game and I use it as moodboard for ajb rewrite

regal spire
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Id probably be fine dying like that

hybrid gazelle
#

It about being British

regal spire
quartz mist
hybrid gazelle
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Liken

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I remember building up the obessessor in my rrwrite of ajb

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Like in my lore rrwrite

quartz mist
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and as shown with lucio, obsessors also have some dark illusion magic that they use to disguise their forms and make their hunting easier

hybrid gazelle
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The miners accidentally open up to SE but they did not know what it was yet

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Though by opening it it, they let something in

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So as they continue working, some workers start disappear

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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Though some of them claim to catch glimpse of these disappeared people

regal spire
#

Why were they screaming, btw, wouldn’t they be more silent, or calm in general, with Lucio the one shouting?

hybrid gazelle
#

It all lead to finally realize what they let into the mine by openning up the expanse so in panic tjose who manage to get out collapse the mine entrance leaving the rest behind

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The rest behind force their way out into the expanse and try to find a place to survive

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While the obessessor now go into dormant in the mine until you and the gang came in

quartz mist
#

as i initially concepted the obsessor scene, you were supposed to find a very out-of-place, unsettlingly cozy house in the ruined city where you would find lucio, trying to convince you of all sorts of things- the safety of the house, how as you saw the outside is so scary and dangerous, and it would be better to stay behind here for a while, and just take a rest and everything will be fine, but you just keep poking holes in the illusion until it falls apart and they try force

hybrid gazelle
#

Ooo wait

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It can mimic non living object?

regal spire
quartz mist
#

the reason it can "mimic" things is with illusion magic.

regal spire
#

I really like it

quartz mist
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they arent shapeshifters

vestal rivet
#

so obsessors aren't horrible to be a part of
at least by feel, once assimilated
in the sense that you can't feel fear and whatnot any longer

quartz mist
#

the "cozy house" was just a cave

regal spire
vestal rivet
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lol

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mislead is a bit light but it's alr

hybrid gazelle
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Ooo wait

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I could work with this

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

oo maybe I add somethign similar to obsessors to my own setting

quartz mist
#

also, shouting startles creatures and puts them off-guard. when hunting that's useful to take the edge off a wily assailant

vestal rivet
#

I alr have psychopathic shapeshifters who are internally driven to replace people, sabotage, and seek sensitive information

quartz mist
#

is it from joy that you accept them? is it pragmatic? is it that they don't quite know how to mimic people properly?

regal spire
quartz mist
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well, I did say assailant

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instead of prey

regal spire
#

Actually, this is another question: we can canonically defeat a piece of the hive mind, what with the obsessors littered around SE—in the Olmic city.
But, wouldn’t any melee on them basically doom you, or touching them with anything at all?

vestal rivet
#

none of the wynn archetypes do physical contact do they?
even with like flying kick armor would get in the way

quartz mist
#

gameplay/story segregation + yeah, armor gets in the way

regal spire
#

Okay, so it’s only direct contact through skin

quartz mist
#

yeah

vestal rivet
#

you can prob save yourself by yeeting armor off canonically I bet

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so long as it doesn't touch you yourself

regal spire
#

Would an obsessor assimilate my PZ

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Genuine question, btw

vestal rivet
#

PZ? you don't mean panic zealot do you?

quartz mist
#

PZ is an object, not flesh and blood

vestal rivet
#

unless wynn took a page out of the destiny lorebook and pz the relik IS pz the enemy

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turning bosses into weapons

quartz mist
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it is!

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but that doesnt make it any less an object

vestal rivet
#

Touch of Malice moment

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darkness worshiping alien god-king defeated in a raid so he turned himself into a gun that fed off of kills, biding time until he could regain strength

quartz mist
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ive never played much destiny, only had my older brother loredump at me about storybeats he liked. i had no clue about destiny bosses mostly being objects turned into living beings when writing panic zealot, and even then panic zealot is no more a living thing than a puppet animated by an aimless poltergeist

regal spire
quartz mist
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it isnt alive, it is just moving

quartz mist
vestal rivet
regal spire
quartz mist
#

like, an obsessor could shut down an iron golem if it made contact with the fleshy bits but none of that is exposed so the most they could do is mar the metal with their heat- and in that instance they would be likely to flee instead

vestal rivet
#

oh dang obsessors are just like passively scalding hot then

regal spire
#

I forgot about that, tbh

quartz mist
#

they have the consistency and heat of boiling tar.

regal spire
#

I also just read it earlier, so I may be dense

vestal rivet
#

200-500F yep that'll burn pretty bad

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(up to 260C for you non-🇺🇸 folks)

quartz mist
#

anyway, the other thing about the obsessor scene. as I had written and suggested it, by the time you find the obsessor lucio is already gone. all you find left of lucio is his wand after defeating the obsessor that was wearing his face. it isnt difficult to put two and two together that lucio was a lost cause, but the methods through which it happened would not have been revealed

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but maybe elphaba is still alive, you figure, and go off to search for her.

hybrid gazelle
#

Bro fucking gone

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Bozo

quartz mist
#

instead most of what i suggested got ignored and i had to actively fight to stop them from having the obsessor turn into like a gigantic centipede that tried to eat you

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like. i understand not going with the illusion house scene since that could have been tricky but they like...they went halfway with it

regal spire
quartz mist
#

took some parts of it, then contradicted those parts later by having lucio's body, which has been assimilated and erased out of existence covered over by molten tar, fall from the ceiling with a dry "He must have turned into a monster."

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did the illusion, did the tar cave, did the dialogue, did all that, but just decided you needed a lot more wormbait than before and dropped the part with finding his wand, leaving the details ambiguous, etc

vestal rivet
#

what part of wynn DOESNT need a rework at this point

quartz mist
#

anyway my suggestion for elphaba also went unused but i can understand why in that instance

regal spire
#

AJB rework, then the obsessors will get their due justice

vestal rivet
#

what was the elphaba suggestion?

quartz mist
#

local bug discovers infinite food glitch more at 11

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

start with her liver, let what's left regrow, harvest again, profit

regal spire
vestal rivet
regal spire
#

To iritacks feed off hypothetical organs?

vestal rivet
#

beats me

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pretty funny though
that one line
MAH LIVER

quartz mist
#

instead of just eating her like they do here, they would(CW: body horror) ||infest her body and hijack her internal organs to continually produce cancerous growths that they could harvest, lay eggs in, and consume all while she was alive and sentient throughout the entire process, undying and in an endless loop of torture unable to do anything but scream for help around the maggots unburying themselves from her lymph nodes!|| ^ . ^

vestal rivet
#

oh yay

regal spire
quartz mist
#

you would, in the end, mercy-kill her after clearing out the bugs

vestal rivet
#

this reminds me of my own worldbuilding stuff somewhat
although at least chimera have the mercy of overwriting you as a person (mostly)

quartz mist
#

like I said- that one going unused, I understand. very graphic, very visceral

vestal rivet
#

eh
we see piles of human flesh more than 20 levels before around lexdale pen

regal spire
quartz mist
#

eh, zombies are different from still-alive body infestation

vestal rivet
#

also, the Avos village having human heads on spikes

quartz mist
#

i thought we removed all those because of how reductive of a stereotype that was

vestal rivet
#

I took one look and thought I would be fighting my way out of that area lol

quartz mist
#

and how counter it is to the characterization of the avos

vestal rivet
#

it was there when I first did the quest at least idk

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which would have been in the range of 1-2 years ago

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

possession!

quartz mist
#

that got pointed out a couple years ago internally about how much random gore was strewn about the avos territory and how it created a really bad "tribal savages" stereotype

vestal rivet
#

but phsyical enough to burst out from the inside

quartz mist
#

there was a big push to remove it. if it hasnt been taken out yet then it really should at least go on the to-do list

regal spire
quartz mist
#

similar reason to removing all the human/villager heads on spikes around the orc/goblin camps

vestal rivet
#

-# my own version of possession I wrote meanwhile has foreign agents literally pulling your muscles against your own impulses and you have to play literal physical tugowar inside yourself

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-# person screaming and begging for anyone to help as they try to resist their arms coming up with something to kill them because possession of a dead body is easier than a living one

quartz mist
regal spire
vestal rivet
#

The cannibals are removed??

regal spire
#

(Gotta rework that jungle mage random event to not say cannibals, though)

vestal rivet
#

they were there last I went to dernel
less than a year ago

quartz mist
#

i did too and didnt think much of it but then it got looked at internally and we all kinda collectively realized "oh...yeah...that's actually real bad..."

vestal rivet
#

"cave" activity and everything

quartz mist
#

itd just been there long enough to be accepted without thought, but re-examination cleared that up

vestal rivet
#

so they are going to be removed then
as opposed to they were supposed to already be gone

quartz mist
#

i recall most of the tribesman enemies in dernel have been replaced with other enemies?

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like, recently

vestal rivet
#

I must not have noticed that yet then

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what about those Iboju exile enemies in tromsi jungle area?

regal spire
#

I wouldn’t like to see those go, tbh, just because they look dope

quartz mist
#

dont think those have been touched yet, nor have the tribesman NPCs cause the plan isnt wholly written out for what to replace them with

regal spire
#

I like the tribesmen, and would hate to see em go

vestal rivet
#

replacing Iboju with a Tromsi outpost on the edge of the untamable Dernel Jungle or smthn

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then Entamis is just wiped out

quartz mist
#

there were some concepts floated around but nothing concrete since, yknow, fruma priority

vestal rivet
#

wynn does have that odd dev problem where some of the stuff in greatest need of touchups is from progression and not endgame, so the loyal playerbase wouldn't care and would even get agitated if that was touched before endgame issues were

quartz mist
#

itll probably get looked at more critically whenever midgame reworks happen

vestal rivet
#

not a position I'd like to be in lol

regal spire
vestal rivet
regal spire
vestal rivet
#

so like you don't allow yourself to progress until you've done everything at a level?

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or like stuff becomes unavailable if you level past it before doing it

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because the latter would suck

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

good good

regal spire
#

You progress only through the content that has bosses, essentially

#

It’s a really fun challenge, tbh, especially when you limit the available gear

vestal rivet
#

one of those tri-element challenges

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or just giving a gimmick to a playthrough
like when I leveled my mage I locked myself out of INT entirely

regal spire
#

Or themed challenges, like dungeon items only

regal spire
#

I’ve got a 5HP challenge I’m gonna do, but I can only use items that -HP

vestal rivet
#

Fallen run but all items must be Corruption-linked
so the "it's pulling towards something..." items, Skien's Set, Corruption-themed dungeon merchant items (including Forgery), Annihilation drops in endgame
also any item that could reasonably be linked to the corruption besides those

regal spire
#

That could potentially be fun, but it might be too easy

vestal rivet
#

Paladin but you're on a crusade and have to hit every boss altar as you progress

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

doesn't even have to be hard, just makes you do something you normally wouldn't

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which CAN be a challenge easily just not a requirement

regal spire
#

Another cool one is ocean/pirate items only

vestal rivet
#

like my intless mage
no points put into int and no int gained from items
dumbest mage alive, bruteforcing the arcane arts- although arcanist made it pretty easy for a good chunk of the game

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Acolyte who is of the deep using only the water items?

regal spire
#

Mitten, Nesaak snow shoes, and Tarod’s Parka is all you get

vestal rivet
#

you see
I don't want it because it's hard
I want it because its different lol
making me do or use things I normally wouldn't

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like in Silksong rn when I'm not on dc or busy elsewhere (coursework...) I'm doing a Hunter Crest only run

#

diagonal pogo is actually pretty great

regal spire
#

Like an alchemist out of ritualist

vestal rivet
#

like a boltslinger but locking myself to ETA might be neat, try to play tstack all the way through

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or rawstack for that matter

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

nuzzlock bmonk, goes with the flow lol

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can respec at will, but must stay with bmonk and items are the nuzlock stuff

regal spire
#

You’ll be forced to use every item until you either have no more options, or some other arbitrary rule

vestal rivet
#

I'm not actually that well versed in nuzlock rules though
my understanding is that you get to choose an unid/unrevealed item to ID every like 5 levels and you're stuck with those items

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bonus points if you just have to choose 1 chest to take items from every 5 levels maybe

regal spire
#

That’s also a part of it, too

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I’d really like for the death part to be there, though, just so you’re locked out of the same items, if you find em again

vestal rivet
#

maybe an item every level but you lose what is equipped on death

regal spire
#

Could potentially be super cool

vestal rivet
#

102 items to prep for AHC lol
hope you don't lose too many
or maybe only 51 if you do every other level

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

we could use region rules
cut the map up into regions and the first chest opened from each is the loot that is allowed

regal spire
vestal rivet
#

never heard of that but ok

regal spire
#

Lemme find it

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It’s called “Last Resort”

vestal rivet
#

assuming towns count as regions
Ragni, Emerald Trail/Maltic area, Nivla Woods, Detlas Suburbs area, Detlas, yeah that's a lot

#

ok it's getting late where I am
gn internet strangers

regal spire
#

Gn gangsta

slender copper
#

The Eye has an Irish accent doesn't it?

regal spire
dim plover
#

If Irish is what Darkness speaks in then I wonder what Light speaks in

#

Orphion’s High Gavellian just seems to be English

regal spire
#

“Brun coo”

slender copper
regal spire
digital swan
somber rock
#

||bruh so this entire time Soldiers from Fruma are just brain washed criminals 😭 ||

neat oriole
#

yes

#

criminals by fruman law

#

we get shipped off to wynn for the war

warm light
#

is there a doc with the chronological canon or something?

hybrid gazelle
#

if you mean timeline

#

then yeah tehre wiki page

#

but they wont tell you everythign

warm light
#

;o

slender copper
hybrid gazelle
#

seems lioke being cursed is illegal in fruma so they are consider cirminal LMAO

#

it like being minority in certain country

slender copper
eternal helm
regal spire
#

I’m also glad that they’ll be showing how a fascist monarchy can “positively” effect others in the society, but only through consistent Pavlovian, subconscious fear responses basically induced genetically, at this point

#

Shows how every system can benefit someone, and how they manage to keep these values instilled in their general, stable population, and how they can make others vouch for said system

hushed comet
#

personally i think fruma may turn out to be a theocracy

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or theocratic monarchy

regal spire
eternal helm
#

we love no freedom

eternal helm
# hushed comet or theocratic monarchy

This would maybe make sense with Dern, but I more think that the queen is in talks/controlled by Dern and that she’s just the leader in a fascist way

#

Bc from what we know there’s already severe limitations of the citizens freedom

frozen herald
regal spire
frozen herald
#

theres spikes all over wynn

regal spire
frozen herald
#

exactly

regal spire
#

I was too slow, you beat me to it

frozen herald
#

its all making sense now

regal spire
warm flicker
#

i had a playthrough about a year ago where i wasnt allowed to be in the wynn province

#

early to mid game was a challenge

eternal helm
regal spire
eternal helm
#

||i just lost the game||

#

lol

digital swan
neat oriole
#

annihilation got stunlocked by a lagspike and then harrassed by bob

torn kindle
#

Where can I find infos regarding Fruma lore for now ?

#

there isn't much if any in-game ?

hybrid gazelle
#

llevigar's library after you collect book from Farcor

torn kindle
#

Ah ye, I have the book but didn't bother going back to the library, ok sweet thanks

slim rampart
#

I want to make a new class for Wynncraft

#

Like, seriously

#

And most will see me as a madman with none of the knowledge to do so

hushed comet
slim rampart
#

Which, is why I'm here.

slim rampart
hushed comet
#

nah

#

you get some people making their own class there

#

for fun

slim rampart
#

Explosives are common enough but underutilized in the environment, quests, and terrain builds of the game

slim rampart
#

But primarily it's to prove a point

#

Because nobody else is trying to design smth that's legitimately possible at the scale of Wynn's classes.

#

I alone, am getting serious about it at this point.

#

With that said, I'm here to do some research

#

On, EVERY faction, and every possible lore,

#

that can basically back doubters into a corner

#

And give it a snowball's chance in the Nether, of actually happening

#

You aren't the first to doubt me, and you won't be the last

hushed comet
#

????

slim rampart
#

It's the strange path I've chosen, after all

hushed comet
#

im just giving you a channel where you can do at stuff

slim rampart
#

Oh, thank you

hushed comet
#

that would be more appropriate

slim rampart
#

I was gonna start the thread myself tbh

hushed comet
#

and ask around from others there

#

now for lore you can ask that trashie guy but ull need to have played through the quests in game and discoveries and whatever

#

lest you need to scour wiki

slim rampart
hushed comet
#

and yes secret discoveries as well

slim rampart
#

The playing the game thing, I mean

slim rampart
hushed comet
slim rampart
#

🫡

#

Thank you!

slim rampart
slender copper
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What if when the Fruma update comes along that it's a level 0 area, meaning that the only way to access it is from creating a new character.

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That be worst thing for it.

hushed comet
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Where did you get this idea bruh

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Theyve been banging it on that its endgame content e.g. Level 105+

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This aint read like a joke either 😭

slender copper
regal spire
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Put one of these after it: 🤪

warm flicker
slender copper
digital swan
regal spire
tropic tree
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i mean salted

digital swan
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Take me back to fruma

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the little bit of fruma at the border. better than no fruma

tropic tree
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inb4 fruma raid

digital swan
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will fruma addition make the Tarnow prison real

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TERNAVES

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how does it even come up with that

regal spire
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Actually, there might be somewhere you can die and respawn there

digital swan
regal spire
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Yeah, I’m outa
Outa what?
Outa ideas

digital swan
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now for some reason you don't go to closest respawn point you go to like last town you went close enough to or smth

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(source: dying at frozen fort and getting sent back to fucking olux)

tropic tree
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what's frozen fortress?

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wait i can just check im stupid

digital swan
tropic tree
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woag...

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oh wow olux

digital swan
regal spire
digital swan
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and idek wtf the second one is

regal spire
digital swan
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first*

regal spire
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The first one is in the tutorial, no?

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I thought you were talking about those ones, since you could actually explore and enter every single one of those homes, up until 1.18

digital swan
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I'm considering leveling a character from lvl 1 to whatever in ragni outskirts just fighting just to get escape and be able to get around some areas

digital swan
regal spire
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Some had lil NPC’s, and one had a “side quest” to return a lost dog

digital swan
regal spire
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Not technically a quest, it was basically a completely undocumented random event

digital swan
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anyways now I can't remember what was in ragni outskirts so I want back

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and if possible find a way to enter the Fruman Canyon of the Lost

regal spire
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I’d like to explore it properly, too

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Obviously not the last one, lol

digital swan
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(original had coords)

regal spire
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What is the second one

digital swan
regal spire
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Sure, why not

digital swan
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you are correct

regal spire
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I know the 3rd ain’t

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Dope

digital swan
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the best Canyon of the Lost there ever was

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digital swan
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preferably updated

regal spire
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Not yet, I don’t believe

digital swan
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all the maps I see are old

regal spire
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Map is going to be updated for Fruma

digital swan
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no Isles of Fiction, smaller Thesead, &c

digital swan
regal spire
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Essentially saltroll

warm flicker
digital swan
warm flicker
digital swan
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did you spawn deeper in fruma

regal spire
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You know what, there could very well be another tutorial revamp with fruma

warm flicker
hybrid gazelle
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feel like bit of wynncraft tutorial quest could be adjust to be serve better for an openning of the game

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I definitely do feel like the player, Tasim, and Aledar seems like they move on from Ragni wayyy too quickly

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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I dont think so

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cause that mean they have to rearrange the leveling of other stuff

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and it get like

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wayyy confusing afterward

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it gonna be wayy a lot of work to span out the early game that I highly dbout they raise level cap for that

regal spire
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I wouldn’t be surprised if they restructured areas to incorporate another 5 levels each worth of content. They’ve spent enough time on it for that to be a possibility

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(Not like individual areas, just level ranges were familiar with)

warm flicker
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ragni yearns for an early game quest (i remember the old sewer dungeon quest and miss it)

hybrid gazelle
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Taism and Aledar literally aim to leave Ragnai the moment they arrive 😭

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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like it actually that bad

regal spire
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Same with Afelis or whatever her name is. Nobody in Ragni wants to stay lol

hybrid gazelle
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they

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that is They

regal spire
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Didn’t know

hybrid gazelle
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Afelis is a side content thing that fine

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also they look like they are here before us so

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there like time frame we can imagine

regal spire
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Still trying to complete their lil side quest, too

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I want that locket

hybrid gazelle
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I always have a plan for King's Recruit to end with player going to barrack and sleep

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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where the title drop when the screen went black and player wake up which allow them to go on theirw ay

hybrid gazelle
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been train by Ragni

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or other things

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so it not like Ragni just let them go into wilderness

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like I am sorry but the fruman recruits been done dirty with the potential they have in the theme and worldbuilding

regal spire
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Ig we were needed in Detlas, so we had no time to train in Ragni

hybrid gazelle
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why the fuck would you send the possibly untrainned recruits

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into the wilderness

regal spire
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Hilarity ensues

hybrid gazelle
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they did not grow accustom to the land yet

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we dont know the culture

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we just arrive

warm flicker
# regal spire The prisoner one?

yes, in the old quest u help a guy imprisoned in Ragni's jail escape because hes part of some "resistance" movement (never elaborated on) and gives u a sewer key on completion

hybrid gazelle
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this is equlivent of like

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a mother bird throwing her babies out of the nest to fly

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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also not to mention

regal spire
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I did like that old prisoner quest, though. It was funny

hybrid gazelle
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all fruman recruits suffer from memory loss

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you do not want to send people

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with memory loss problem into wilderness full of dangerous undead

warm flicker
regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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that shit is like a hospital just send comatose person to be on theirw ay

hybrid gazelle
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I know for sure because I been in one

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ROTC

regal spire
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I went to a ROTC ball once

hybrid gazelle
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they are not going to throw your untrain ass into the war unless they fully expect you to be 100% cannon fodder

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well you are

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but like

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not untrainned cannon fodder

warm flicker
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id assume ragni would be the place we get trained up (ignoring the corrupted attack on the ragni tunnel), however as we spend like 10 minutes max in the city its hard to tell

hybrid gazelle
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it should be

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Ragni should be the place where recruits train and grow adjusted to their new home

regal spire
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There should be at least 1 Ragni quest showing us being trained or established

hybrid gazelle
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we could

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rewrite posion the pest quest

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rewrite coook assistant

regal spire
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Ig the tutorial stands in as that, but it ain’t in Ragni so nah saltroll

hybrid gazelle
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I Know it been remake before but

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the current remake kinda do nothing

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it was funny tho

regal spire
hybrid gazelle
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you can still kept essential

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just rewrite it a way that it fit the theme of having the player grow acustom to wynn province

regal spire
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Have a grook infiltrate the ranks and train you 🤪

hybrid gazelle
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I literally have project dedicate to adjusting dialogue to fit with the idea

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it not perfect but it does its job without fix the quest in major way

warm flicker
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id like to see what u come up with in regards to a revamped Ragni questline

hybrid gazelle
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Honestly If there more than just dialogue adjustment

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I would treat early ragni quest as errand player do for Ragni before they are ready to go to Detlas

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the tunnel that was collapse was meant to be for the player, Tasim, and Aledar to go through

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but unfortunately due to its collapse

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the player have to walk all thew ay there

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Ragni could not spare any caravan for it though so that why you going there alone

warm flicker
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id like some sort of acknowledgement for the destroyed state of ragni's walls, maybe a quest to get materials to repair it or something, talking about the horrors of undead raids and stuff

hybrid gazelle
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they also trust you will survive because three of you prove yourself to be capable fighter

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since you manage to fight through undead in the tutorial area

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also here new idea for an interaction for sergent Klafson

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this was before I got an idea to end King's recruit through sleeping btw

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cause the idea is that you wake up to see Jenprest or other NPC waking you up and Tasim and Aledar trainning themselves in the trainnning area

regal spire
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I’d love one of those black fade outs to end a quest

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That’s an awesome idea, why hasn’t it been done at all (yet saltroll)

hybrid gazelle
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it would be annoying but I think it's okay in this case cause player literally sleeping

regal spire
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Idt it’d be bad at all? A slow fade out into the usual “ding quest is done” sounds really nice

hybrid gazelle
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it

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depend because like

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it gonna be jarring have those

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espically when the quest just ended with player talk to NPC and like

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screen fade to balck and like everything the same

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it just feel jarring to imagine

regal spire
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I feel like there are some SE quests this could work with

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(AJF could work with it, actually)

hybrid gazelle
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again it really depend and what you use fade to black for

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fade to black usually meant time skip form e at least

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that why for me iU se it for when player sleep because it meant to be seen as time skip between they rest

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so context really matter

digital swan
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what are we calling that one tiny village in the underpass where the reanimated sorcerer appears

vestal rivet
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I mean
there's no way that Ragni doesn't realize all the recruits its getting have late onset selective dementia
you'd figure they'd have an orientation program for when recruits arrive for just explaining that they too have no idea what is going on

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let them choose if they still want to become soldiers type deal
or let them becomes mercenaries or free spirits or smthn instead

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then have the mercenary/part time employment option be the cannon reason we're part of the army but still allowed to bug off and do f all wherever we want really

hybrid gazelle
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Fruman recruits literally said to not remmber their home

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That fucking concerning

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Also btw

vestal rivet
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obviously they know
I am not trying to contend that
I'm more concerned we don't see it acknowledged outside of Picard, Aledar, and Tasim

hybrid gazelle
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They are still people from far away land that habe no idea of the custom of this new land that now their home

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Ragni should take responsible for them

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Especially when it’s a program

vestal rivet
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yeah that's what I suggested

hybrid gazelle
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Tbh I think the soldier part of force

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The soldier part should be force it’s what Wynn need

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They can’t afford this recruits they got to be mercenary and go out their merry way

vestal rivet
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the programming made them WANT to be soldiers, so many prob still would willingly do it

hybrid gazelle
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Yeah

vestal rivet
hybrid gazelle
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No matter what the recruits have debt to pay to Ragni or Wynn as a whole

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Even if they have no say in the matter

vestal rivet
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makes sense but sucks

hybrid gazelle
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That why I against the idea of player turning merc right away befause it just would not make sense

hybrid gazelle
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Some aspect of it gonna be such from desperate that these people have

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Wynn is a harsh place after all

vestal rivet
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have some kind of contract
player serves for X time to fulfil contract then is considered free from conscription?
but that's still hemorrhaging soldiers every few battles or years or whatever

hybrid gazelle
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Yep that should be the norm

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But for player case we can have story set up thst allow them to be free sooner for gameplay purpose

vestal rivet
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yeah exemplary service or smthn
let them work they're way out early so it makes more sense

hybrid gazelle
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The idea I have is that the entire Troms storyline is player being punish for gojng AWOL in gavel

vestal rivet
hybrid gazelle
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Rough summary ofc

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But like consider what you do in gavel

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You essentially just went to gavel and do orc war stuff a bit and then like

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Randomly helping people

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So some stuff happen in Wynn

vestal rivet
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I mean
Gavel did call in Wynnic aid, we see that at the Llevigar Plains gates
you got a good point about helping randos still though

hybrid gazelle
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Admiral Aegis try to call you but they can’t find you anywhere since yoh gojng all over the place

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This ofc reference to the whole player travel way too much thst maxie could not invite them to the wedding

hybrid gazelle
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There also road to peace

vestal rivet
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Maxie finds out about this travel habit
and just sends fliers literally everywhere

hybrid gazelle
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But yeah to continue that

vestal rivet
hybrid gazelle
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Going awol was pretty irresponsible when yoh are a soldier

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So yoh come back to Detlas

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Admiral Aegiskinda displease befause like

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There was battle in Wynn and yoh went missing

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And you could have save so many lives

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Or something

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So he send you sent you to do assignment in Troms as punishment

vestal rivet
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the only problem with this is that it gets in the way of player agency
players know they could've stayed and helped if not for gameplay constraints
with small things like Maxie's wedding it's more excusable

hybrid gazelle
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And maybe after Troms story end, the player would be discharge as admiral aegis admit that jt better off letting you, Tasim, and Aledar go on their way

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As he see yoh three follow the path that Bob walk on

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This is rough summary btw

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And this is under assumption quest getting remake like in lootrun update

vestal rivet
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point is
players can't strictly be part of any army bcs that's so limiting
we have to let them out REALLY early

hybrid gazelle
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Yeah that why after Troms, they will be out of the army

vestal rivet
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or just completely restructure how the introduction to Ragni as a soldier is

vestal rivet
hybrid gazelle
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That like one of the best solution I could come up with unless there are big quest rewrite happen early on