📚lore_discussion

[torn mulch]

ie battlemonk could be attributed to the monks in the canyon, paladin to bovemist etc

[hybrid gazelle]

ehhhh wynncraft never realy do anything with its magic system or religion

so maybe probably unlikely

Fruma probably wayyy too late to explain shamanism consider it like

lierally second to last expansion we getting so I rather keep magic system stuff to like earlier quest

[hybrid gazelle]

I look into it

not really?

we dont really know about the cukture of the monk

and what we see in bmonk does not really pont toward it

so ehh

[shut hornet]

i thought it was stated that bob didnt learn shamanism because it was viewed as evil magic

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont remember that

I remember hearing it from CT

but not in the game

[torn mulch]

the way shamanism is viewed by alot of the characters, iw ould say its a likely assumption

[hybrid gazelle]

I feel like shamanism really need renaming or like

actually entire grookwart kinda need a big remake to explain magic sytem

like god

[elder forge]

theories on leytech? seems to be the blue "stone" that powers most if not every golem in gaval, the leytech gargoyel's only difference between gargoyels being the blue veins is pretty much confirmation that the blue "stone" is ley and the leytech is part of golem technology that is either magic science or just science

[pallid rain]

Are Maxie and Honip childhood friend?

[hybrid gazelle]

no idea LMAO it probably meta reference from what I remember

[hybrid gazelle]

well from what we know

in wynncraft world it kinda imply science and magic to be pretty much the same consider the magic of this world is part of nature itself

and electromagic being literal real life electricity

So these leytech

is

[elder forge]

yea leytech being pseudo science is a much higher possibility

[hybrid gazelle]

consider we see leytech is armory in that LR challenge

[spiral root]

Speaking of paladins, why don't the paladin class get a heal ability?

[hybrid gazelle]

I have 0 fucking idea they probably some ancient technolkogy

probably build by people who made colossus or something

I highly doubt it being dwarves so like

that kinda cut down

[spiral root]

Or better yet, could we ever see about getting a cleric-like class?

[elder forge]

yea i just did armory lol

[spiral root]

Something like a mix between mage and warrior

[elder forge]

electromage 🤩

[hybrid gazelle]

As of rn we haver 0 idea wtf those leytech gargoyle is but EHHHHH probably someday when we know about the race that make colossus and other things

[spiral root]

I was more referring to a tank healer

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK that just something people who do ATR need to answer lOL

Arhcetype character strike in weid line where like

they dont want to use canon lore

but also fallen and light bender exist

so lol

[spiral root]

Fallen isn't a healer

If anything far from it

And light bender I suppose is the closest we can get though I feel that's more for a build topic

[elder forge]

im thinking its ancient doguns bc the collosus is their protector but they live for so long and we don't see any leytech in molten, its confusing

[hybrid gazelle]

then it just werid

because dogun made the legends that colossus was the one that give their stoney form

[dry epoch]

rejuvenating skin heals you back for some of the damage you tanked

[elder forge]

oh so it existed before doguns or way earlier in the dogun's origin?

[dry epoch]

as for why it cant heal thats probably a balancing thing

[hybrid gazelle]

also we literally have elder that literally comfirm to be the one who first exist

and he never mention that making colossus

only Garaheth made them

[spiral root]

I can understand the difficulty of adding another class in Wynn. We already got a fast melee, tank melee, ranged offense, support range, and summon range

[elder forge]

and the dogun higher ups have blue stones in their bodies that could be leytech but they're always dark blue, and leytech is a lighter blue

[dry epoch]

didnt they say theres gonna be a new class with fruma?

though that was ages ago so who knows

[elder forge]

so maybe the race that made the first few doguns used leytech and then those doguns had the asexual ability to create more doguns without leytech?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean they dont lol

we literally have 3 elders exist rn

one of them literally said to be one of the first created by Garaheth's fire

[elder forge]

well some of them lol

[hybrid gazelle]

wwell we dont see them so like

IDK

[elder forge]

yea idk lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it make more sense if colossus did not build by dogun

[dry epoch]

its possible they got altered or modified in some way

[elder forge]

i am leaning towards my theory of the first few doguns being golems themselves just bc geraheth is boring AS FUCCKKKKKK xD

[hybrid gazelle]

well so far we dont relaly have proof that there doguns before garaheth so we not sure

so that more of a headcanon for now

[dry epoch]

honestly i think geraheth doesnt really make sense with the current lore

[elder forge]

yea that too

[elder forge]

same

[hybrid gazelle]

well there mention about meddlers

[elder forge]

he's just a big demon from hell

cringe

[hybrid gazelle]

and imply that meddlers are the same one that shift dogun culture

to view garaheth as terrible demon

[dry epoch]

its possible hes related to the realm of war in some way but who knows

[hybrid gazelle]

garaheth is werid

demons as a whole is weird

demons get very little lore in wynncraft

we dont even know what they are

[dry epoch]

yeah true

[hybrid gazelle]

Naraheth imply to be somewhat canon

despite his quest removal

[dry epoch]

i mean the corruption isnt in gavel so they cant be corrupted

[hybrid gazelle]

from what we know

[dry epoch]

maybe theyre the inhabitants of the realm of war?

[hybrid gazelle]

demons is not somethin to be meddle with

[hybrid gazelle]

nope those are devils

garaheth seems like he exist before corruption portal open

devils and demons are not hte same

[elder forge]

yea he could be a creature from realm of war that got to the void somehow and got morphed by the void (which would explain why he existed in his own pocket dimension) but i'd rather he be retconned

[dry epoch]

could be a hierarchy of some kind

[hybrid gazelle]

they are completely different

nope

not hierarchy

completely different

[dry epoch]

hm

[hybrid gazelle]

devils are entities created from corruption infleunce

demons are

they exist

this is only demon lore drop we have

[dry epoch]

i mean is it even explained what the angels are? (namely the ones around sky)

[hybrid gazelle]

we also have no explaination what angels are

but consider their roles

they are filler mobs

so they best left ignore

[elder forge]

funny out my leytech mentions started a geraheth convo lol

[dry epoch]

honestly gavel has a lot of cool stuff that just doesnt make sense with the current lore

[hybrid gazelle]

It not that they dont make sense

just poorly explore

Demons could exist just fine in current lore

it just we know jack shit aobut them

but as of rn

[elder forge]

ehhhhh sure

[hybrid gazelle]

what we know that they likely primodial entities???

[dry epoch]

nah it straight up doesnt make sense, its a result from the story basically being made up as they go

[hybrid gazelle]

how they not make sense LOL

like how their existence conflicting with current lore

I dont see what make them make no sense becside the fact that they just never been explore beside "demon is evil guys"

[dry epoch]

around the time of the silent expanse update they started planning a bit but they still didnt have a concrete idea of what to do

[elder forge]

only stuff i can think of is geratheth and caritat not being infested by a darn parasite (or at least never mentioned)

[hybrid gazelle]

Garaheth being infested by parasite is impossible LOL

decay is blocked off by Lari's barrier and canyon

[dry epoch]

yes but why do they exist? who controls them?

are they related to the dern beast?

realm of war?

are they related to something we dont know about?

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know but the information we have do not conflicting with anything in current lore

so they just exist

Really fucking wish we have more info but oh well

[elder forge]

NO I MEANT GERAHETH JUST AS HIMSELF AND THEEEEN CARITAT'S LITTLE BUG PROBLEM 😭

english is stupid

oh yea and speaking of the parssites

it would be cool if the dark cultists in the dark forests are worshipping the parasites

or the decay

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that paraiste is not that widely known for some reason?

there defintiely like

talor mages going on

and whatever the group that Gravan is working with is

there some fishy stuff going on but that unknown for now

[dry epoch]

other than the elves no one believes in orphion or the light and dark

so as far as theyre concerned the parasites are just yucky bugs

[elder forge]

well the dark cultiests are secretive so i can see them knowing about the parssite, its only one more group knowing about the bugs+ they'll still gatekeep the info so the bugs will still be not widely known

[hybrid gazelle]

hmmm honsetly rather not going with dark cultists cause we alreayd have those in wynn

for

some reason

I think it better off if this use to expand the group that Gravan working with

because they see parasite as a key to immortality

IDK if they still exist but I Think they are neat

[elder forge]

hold on why am i theorizing this its basically half confirmed since they gave the rich kid fron kandor a dern parasite to infest her

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[elder forge]

i be forgetting stuff :P

[hybrid gazelle]

Dark Forest ust old stuff rn but what is new there is pretty good

I take it as decay area is just blind spot to the government

so all kind of illegal and dark magic pratice being conduct there

dark as in forbidden

so we got flesh crafting with urelix

honestly

Lexdale prison should get overhaul

I fucking hate it

well not hate

more like just dislike it?

really poor attempt of bringing Dulalhan back to relevancy even tho it just give us nothing

like wow DUllahan getting prisoner soul

somehow with mailing?

how do you transport souls with mailing?

Is Jeff Benzo exist in wynncraft universe?

like when the fuck was this ever establish

[quartz mist]

I thought Arwes' dialogue got updated from that

[exotic bough]

wait that got changed this year?

[dim plover]

Do we know Fool Eater lore

Did the boss come from Dern or was it a mutated SE creature

[cyan sapphire]

@deusphage

aw

[dim plover]

You ask ask in Wynnfics
Or throughs dms I guess but then others won’t be able to read it

[quartz mist]

I thought it got changed LAST year

guess there was some confusion regarding finalization

[regal spire]

I don’t think deus has ever explicitly stated what it was beyond it being just a creature of Dern in SE. True origins I still haven’t heard from them

I’d imagine it’d be a wolf from the neighboring Nesaak tundra that got warped by dernic influence, or a void wolf that got transported and warped from a void hole

[hybrid gazelle]

It was mutated creature

Bu dernic influence

[dim plover]

I did have ideas regarding wolf theory but Nesaak wolf seems kinda a stretch

[hybrid gazelle]

It’s native life on se

That been mutated by dernic influence

Madeline said this from what I remember

That why the design is not out there like Kantry

[dim plover]

I get that Kantry come from Dern but to be fair one can very reasonably interpret Kantry as mutated horses or smth

or dogs, even

[spiral knoll]

I always saw them more as huge bug like creatures

[dim plover]

It doesn’t really look that “separate” from all the other wacky stuff in SE

[dim plover]

Probs the non-pupil eyes and mosquito-looking thing at the front

[spiral knoll]

Yeah

I did always like the idea of the kantry being things that actually like developed alongside the SE though regardless of whether they were mutated by dern or not. Like the concept of the SE giving something that is explicitly friendly just like a regular ecosystem is cool to me

Live laugh love the kantry

[bleak torrent]

Kantry my beloved

[dim plover]

How do we even tell what’s from Dern and what isn’t

Like, I would assume the Realms are just pure magic but Kantry have biological functions that are compatible with the Physical Plane

Which implies that the Realms are less of magical realms and more of just another place with a different ecosystem from Earth

[bleak torrent]

Perhaps the systems of the light realm are more magical but dernic systems are more biological

Also kinda weird light realm doesn't have a name like dern

[cold cove]

Why is "The Long Winded and Painful Death of Sweeny S. Greeneville" mentioned so often (four times)

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[regal spire]

Dern is just the Irish term for dark, as far as I’m aware. So, it’s still realm of dark, but it’s got a different language thrown in there

[hybrid gazelle]

if Light get a name

it would be Lux

[regal spire]

If you want, you could call the realm of light Lux or Rol. Basically the same thing

[fiery wadi]

Who exactly is bak'al? I finished the quest "Hunter's calling" couple days ago, and it left me a bit confused

Also now I finally get it with the warrior ability bak'als grasp

I was like "I have seen that name before"

[cold cove]

Bak'al is/was capable of commanding the corrupteds, he disappeared after being defeated by bob at the siege of Ragni. Some time beforethis he had also chosen to serve the Dern beast and by extension the forces Darkness, which is why you see him fighting Lari in Realm of Light V.

[regal spire]

Are you sure the order of that is right? He’s seen placing the eye in the Eldritch Outlook, which happened a while ago

Meaning he was aligned with Dern way before his encounter with Bob

[cold cove]

that may not be in correct order, yeah

i just kind of listed events in the order they came to mind lol

i'll fix that

[regal spire]

Fair enough

[hybrid gazelle]

he already serve dern beast during corruption war LOL

[cold cove]

I was indeed told this by Shmeg, which is why I rewrote that statement to be more accurate

[hybrid gazelle]

ah I see sorry

anyway tstill missing some stuff

[cold cove]

yeah probably

[hybrid gazelle]

What we currenty know rn is that Bak'al was a "corrupted" individual capable of commanding the undead

not really controling corrupted army as a whole

he is the reaosn to why Corruption War become worse than it would be due to his ability to lead the undead

he is also first person to step into the portal according to the information we have

he would do some shit for like

700+ years????

And then get beaten by Bob and disappear

that pretty much it

and ther whole ROL shit going on

[hybrid gazelle]

oh arhcetype just weird like that

it mean nothing loil

it just reference

[fiery wadi]

I mean the whole thing is called fallen

Why they made it like that idk

[hybrid gazelle]

again just reference

Archetype made with no canon lore in mind

it just nod reference

[fiery wadi]

Yeah I thought so as well

[hybrid gazelle]

it half and half, they base it off cnaon lore but also dont want to try to meddle with the canon lore

it just

quesitonable decision but whatever

[fiery wadi]

Yeah it's interesting

kinda felt like the warrior is going down some Deathknight path lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

it weird because I talk to CT

and they deadass tell me that they dont want archetype stuff to meddle and touch canon lore

which is like fucking weird cause Fallen and Light Bender exist

so that like

a lot of canon lore being shove in

electromagic got left out but whatever

[fiery wadi]

Yeah it's interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

also canon wise

Fallen would never work cause you just die

but that fine since it's archetype

undead warrior defintiely a fantasy that could make a gameplay around

[fiery wadi]

I mean I literally just picture a Death knight

The whole fallen kit, is kind of like blood magic

Literally

[hybrid gazelle]

it's that yueah

but cnaon wise corruption pretty much just kill you

there is different protrayal of corruption

[fiery wadi]

Yeah we have seen that quite well in the game so far

[hybrid gazelle]

the one that Fallen archetype protray is not really line up with canon one

I mean there definitely plausible someone out there use corruption to enchance their power or whatever

[fiery wadi]

Some weird back alley guy researched corruption with like 40 years of experience lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Orikal?

[fiery wadi]

I mean it's all just theory but it might as well be what this channel is made for in the first place lmao, now you mentioned that archetypes are not related to the lore and that's alright, but giving fallen, and light bender out there is as you said a questionable choice, best thing I can think of is mentors for those archetypes, lightbender is slightly easier to explain cuz of the aldorei people and so on, but fallen for example?

Where would you even start that lol

[hybrid gazelle]

HOnestly I have like OC for each archetype

and sometime think of a way to make quest where player can do to unlock something to finalize the archetype they were mainning

so what was my idea for fallen character

is that you basically gone ot hunt ancient undead and challenge it in combat

like very rough summary

I think for fallen you have to get creative with your "mentor"

because corruption canon wise, pretty much just made shit mindless

you just dead, there is no coming back

once you get to reanimated stage, you are done

[fiery wadi]

I will say when I think on this whole fallen archetype stuff I keep thinking on the born in chaos forge mod

This guy, the fallen chaos knight

absolute juggernaut in the mod itself

but when I think on the fallen archetype I think of stuff like that

[raw badge]

Not gonna lie, I'm not sure what non-Fruma stuff (as in stuff that doesn't revolve around Fruma, like Tasim/Aledar and whatnot) has been kind of undiscovered lorewise, especially because as far as I know - the portal opening was because of the Aldorei elders as seen in the second half of Aldorei's Secret. In terms of Wynn however - do we actually kill Theorick in the Ice Barrows dungeon, or is it a doppleganger or a corrupted form of himself that would need to be killed to well, revive him?

There's plenty of secrets and stuff that might have been left on a cliffhanger, but until Fruma comes - I'm sticking with stuff that isn't Fruma specific, although anything that might be connected is fine

[warm flicker]

the lesson here is that the Irish are the harbinger of all evil

[regal spire]

You do, in fact, kill him in IB. He is revived in the hypothetical/alternative corrupted variation of the dungeon, but that’s not canon so

I’d actually be more inclined to compare it to Rickeo’s fate as the Great Bane, being revived by corruption indefinitely—in the corrupted dungeon.

[raw badge]

Oh okay

[digital swan]

So like how do you permanently destroy a corrupted. Can they restore a corrupted if you, say, hit them with a Bunker Buster at ground 0

Cuz if they can restore a corrupted from like small shreds then like why not just use a crap ton of small organisms and lump them up until you can create a whole new super-powerful corrupted Blob of death

[hybrid gazelle]

A corrupted can be revived from the ashes as we see with Rickeo

but it relaly depend if corruption really want the corrupted back

[regal spire]

You’d have to, MAYBE, spread the ashes and consistently dilute them/freeze them away from any source of corruption

I’m pretty sure that, if there’s even a slight bit of a corpse or vessel remaining, it will morph with the corruption and reform/revive

I’d imagine most are not conscious, after something like that, since corruption seems to only be portrayed as a force of war and destruction—not even chaos. Ba’kal is the only noticeable outlier, and a bit of Theorick, who has slowed its influence with ice magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Theorick is fucking weird

he is suppose to be influence by corrupted but not really like

fully corrupted

but whatever

the guy been isolate himseelf for centuries IDK how does he still function

[digital swan]

What if you go as destructive as possible and somehow shred a corpse to the point that it was pretty much just disjointed atoms spread over such a large area that none of the pieces were distinguishable from the surroundings as the molecules surviving are at maximum only able to be distinguished as coming from an organism but still too small to determine whether that molecule was from a bacterium, or an earthworm, or a rabbit, or a corrupted

Like no chromosomes or large enough proteins definitiely

maybe some small proteins that are ubiquitous?

Like surely if the Corruption can revive that, then it can just use pieces from other dead organisms and reform them into a clone of that corrupted

and it clearly hasn't or else you'd never pass Ice Barrows or The Great Bridge because suddenly 50 Rickeos or Theoricks would just erupt from the ground

[hybrid gazelle]

Rickeo been mention to come back time ot time

I think the wrong thing we did here is assuming corruption work along with science

which it not

I think it mostly related to souls

as long as corruption get a hold of someone soul, they can be reform and brought back

[digital swan]

And I see a serious business opporunity here, with the electromagic of Corkus and the magical powers of assembly from Mage Island... I propose we sell WMDs to the Province of Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[regal spire]

Who’s to say that’s not what makes up a lot of the lava slimes and other amorphous, strange creatures

[prisma salmon]

yo can any loremaster confirm if the woc's are aliens?

[cerulean osprey]

woc's are the end result of cows you stole from katoa ranch

[prisma salmon]

i just did cowfusion and it was hinted that they came from space and that they are exiles

thats why i am asking

[spring kernel]

Yea

[spring kernel]

?

[cerulean osprey]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Woc_Base#History

seems i never knew wocs were from space

[hybrid gazelle]

this is probably old ass lore consider age of tunnel trouble

also wtf is this wiki page

[cerulean osprey]

ye

[hybrid gazelle]

corkian and Urelix???

[cerulean osprey]

cerid

[hybrid gazelle]

Wtf those two have to do with turning

Dude wtf is this lore lmaooo

This feel like some tjose fanfic shit just mash stuffs together

[cold cove]

So I believe that I have already posted something here about this but...
What the hell is this about
Is it just an old cave from pre lootrun update? I'm mostly just curious about the hopper. Coordinates are -2277, -3569 on the Ocean's west border.

[hybrid gazelle]

oh probably just cut or discontiune content

[cold cove]

ah

unfortunate

[regal spire]

It’s supposed to blow up the wall and give you a couple chests, but idk if the enemies don’t work properly, or the TNT doesn’t drop

[digital swan]

waiiiiiit woah

:supershock:

[regal spire]

There’s that journal accessible after the quest that tells you everything about Drale’s motives specifically, but not really anything about their home planet, or what else is out there

[shut hornet]

its a cave that stopped working in 2.1 and isnt important enough to bother fixing

normally there are mobs that spawn outside and drop an item to put into the hopper

but they dont spawn

has literally zero lore relevance so no need to worry

[digital swan]

I've seen some mobs spawn there while boating between it and Corkus, try /class spam

[digital swan]

or maybe yknow they wandered from the mountains actually nevermind

[quick needle]

Can someone please explain to me how this is possible?

1. how does almuj have that much water

2. how do corrupted valley lake and nesaak lake have enough water to be the source reservoirs for the central part of the nemract river, the twain lake, the lusuco river, the tempo town lake, the troms lake, and the entirety of the jungle

3. If the waterfall near invaded barraks has enough water to make the rymek river that thick, how hasn't the mesa filled up with water by now?

• Where does the toxic wastes 'water' come from? Is it a polluted destination for the rymek water? That could make sense, but why isn't SE flooded in goop? Does the toxic waste evaporate or something
• How tf is the rymek river getting so polluted as to turn into green sludge by the time it reaches SE?

[cold cove]

The toxic wastes are one massive living organism.

[quick needle]

I guess that implies that they are unrelated to the rymek water?

[cold cove]

Yes

It's probably some bodily fluid

[quick needle]

That answers all the SE questions, but begs the question of where tf all the rymek water is going

The amount of water getting dumped into the mesa would have flooded it by now were it not dissipated somehow

It isn't visibly dumped into any caves

does it like evaporate or something from the mesa's heat?

the only explanation I can think of would be this

[quick needle]

Come to think of it... I don't think there is anything in-lore that would prevent this solution from being viable

A big lake there would make most of wynn's hydrology work, although we would still need to justify a massive water source near corrupted village

like a massive spring or something

How tf is this lake supplying such a tremendous amount of water

Alternate solution would be this lake supplying an insane amount of water

A third possible solution would be the Elkurn forest receiving an insane amount of precipitation

[digital swan]

Like all good world design problems: Half stupid devs and half minecraft not following regular rules of nature

[raw badge]

inb4 metal gear rising Rules of Nature reference

[dense python]

AND THEY RUN WHEN THE SUN COMES UP

[rustic nexus]

there's a waterfall on the cliffs leading up to the twain lake so I'd assume that's the explanation on how that river still exists.

[mossy oasis]

Does anyone know the specific details of Bovemism? The wiki article is a stub, but it seems so prominent in the world to have such little definitive lore. The wiki mentions it's most likely a reference to Salted, but surely there's more lore than that. Could it perhaps be related to the Wocs? What are the tenets of Bovemism anyways?

It's interesting that we see the Elves reference worshipping The Light, and in game we see what they mean by that (in the Realm of Light questline and the Orphion raid, and even the Light Bender subclass), but there's seemingly no elaboration on what Bovemism is or what it originates from, despite it being able to give similar powers, specifically to the Paladin subclass of Warrior/Knight.

[regal spire]

Any resonance lore enjoyers here?

Druid’s aren’t mentioned enough in Wynn lore, imo, which makes its connection to the rivers, fields, and mountains of the world being formed by the bodies of fanatical druids so cool

[cyan sapphire]

Context for chat:

The power to join oneself with the lifeblood of the earth has long eluded sects of fanatical druids and shamans. One such cult found a way, and subsequently wiped itself out in the process, their flesh turning to stone and veins forming new rivers.

[drifting aurora]

resonance is a fun one

[cyan sapphire]

the quality in a sound of being deep, full, and reverberating.

im not sure how the name matches the lore tbh

[regal spire]

Their life force resonates with the flowing streams and withered stones

Until their bodies subsequently joined in as one with the world

I always thought of it as a metaphorical connection to nature as a whole being intrinsically linked to patterns, and said patterns creating a fascinating mix of rhythms and routines the world moves to

The rushing sound of rivers, the shifting and breaking of tectonic plates and stones, the swaying leaves and twitching tree trunks, all that

They all carry a distinct resonance, in general, but to attempt to somehow bound yourself to that aspect of nature feels poetic with a name like resonance

[quartz mist]

funny c418 reference

that's all there is to it

it started when we were putting interactions in Beyond the Grave in Death's Mansion, and a bunch of referential book titles were asked for

so we decided to make a little joke about "The Long Winded and Painful Death of Sweeney S. Greenville" being this really well-known, really awful book, since it was, y'know. owned by Death

and eventually just more references to it have been added over time

specifically by people who have absolutely horrific taste in books

[dim plover]

I wonder if they’re going to ever acknowledge why CoW’s corruption powers are green in nature

(Unless they just turn them red in whatever new model and/ or aesthetic they get in some future update retcon which)

(Pls don’t)

(I know Wynncraft changes a lot of old content completely but the green is iconic, man)

[regal spire]

It’s cause it’s in the jungle, and it’s green

[candid fox]

giant underground reservoir

[hybrid gazelle]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/WO1HJObaBPc

CoW

[cerulean osprey]

were the hobbits born in gavel or wynn
or did bulbo just leave from wynn to gavel

[hushed obsidian]

I think they originate in Gavel

isn't there some festival dialogue talking about how Bulbo moved BACK to the shair?

[cerulean osprey]

ye

[swift saddle]

still waiting for the return of lord of the clock

[digital swan]

same reason Toxic Wastes has green glass instead of purple

[dim plover]

Yeah but darkness isn’t exclusively purple though

It’s like, a really colorful palette

[hushed obsidian]

it would be funny if we did that

[drifting aurora]

lord of the clock has already been brought back to the furthest extent it can be

[cerulean osprey]

i wonder if clock set will become a lost legacy

or if it becomes obtainable in the future

[drifting aurora]

someday

[hybrid gazelle]

Lord of the clock vs Fruma

[dim plover]

Lexnt says that Clock Mystery will come out before Fruma

This means that lexnt has unimaginable power and is capable of holding back the entire Fruma update by simply not releasing Clock Mystery ever

(She’s holding Fruma update hostage and demands a random of 10 billion emeralds)

[drifting aurora]

its probably not going to happen

i was hopeful but things have worked out in a way that has made it not possible

[swift saddle]

💔

there were also some odd quests in ragni that are gone now

like a rat killing one and one where u break a guy out of jail

[hybrid gazelle]

to this day I wish the questline we got have us stay in ragni for a while

I mean there is like Enzan's brother I guess but it does not feel like a part of storyline at all lmao

would be nice if they theme around the idea of you being recent recruits helping Ragni out

[digital swan]

basically you aren't actually a Ragni soldier everyone refers to you as such but it's basically a euphemism for mercenary

[hybrid gazelle]

in the current canon they never really refer you as soldier of any army

just soldier

which is like

okay

not how millitary work but sure

but yeah what player and other(tasim and aledar) are protray

are basically mecenaries

[digital swan]

the reason being

[digital swan]

I mean
Isn't like most of Wynn basically all technically under Ragni's thumb still
Since Ragni was the city-state that actually pushed back Corruption and probably rebuilt pretty much every town in the Wynn plains at least till Detlas
I'd guess that the 'Detlas Soldiers' are Ragni soldiers under a Ragni payroll just put there in lieu of the Detlas military which has been defunct since the destruction of Detlas
So maybe it makes some sense to make your soldiers de facto mercenaries when you de facto control a crap-ton of foreign land, so that Ragni doesn't look imperialist

[hybrid gazelle]

no?

they are their own city that own their own territory

Detlas hold Detlas territory

I dont think ti ever mention that Ragni king is in control of Detlas

Almuj also have its own mayor

Nemract have 0 idea but consider Troms and Almuj, likely have their own leader as well

Also Detlas literally have their own admiral

also it does not make any sense to make your soildiers a "mercenaries" LOL

mercenaries are mercenaries

they are fine when it like irl where you are not on constant war

but soldeirs are necessery in this context be cause there is constant war against corrupted

so you need to make sure you always have soldiers on time

[regal spire]

I know clock mystery’s rework is supposed to be more secretive, and it’s silly to ask for details on how it will be developed, but I wanted to ask this about it:

is it the rewrite, the lack of time, or the mechanics around the clock mystery that are taking the most to develop?

[drifting aurora]

lack of time

[regal spire]

I’ve always been so fascinated about its development process—since 1.20–and its original concept as a whole. It’s such a genuinely strange area in the game, that’s generally just so far away from everything else, despite concepts like time valley

I wish I had gotten a chance to do it, before it was removed. I never could find all the clocks, and the wiki wasn’t finished at the time to record it

[regal spire]

When the time to finish it comes, could you slowly add some bits and pieces of teasers/references to the clock towers location? First a more noticeable clock, then a dampening of the OST, mimicking the Wynn Ultimate SD, and finally a journal referencing the mystery as a whole?

Something silent enough for those who like to visit the tower monthly (me) would find

[warm adder]

dern when

[limber swan]

at this point I don't think Clock Mystery is ever coming back

[regal spire]

The real mystery was wondering when it would be canceled indefinitely

[shut hornet]

clock mystery scope increases every update because we keep gaining cool new tech it would need to use

[digital swan]

I mean as far as we know the builders of modern Detlas were Ragnians, and where do we see their administration
From what I can tell, Nesaak was definitely only self-defending against Corruption, Troms was probably self-defending?, Nemract, Akias, and Detlas didn't defend at all, and I forgot what the situation with Almuj was
Ragni was the only one to defeat Bakal and go on the offensive it seems, all the others simply held their borders
It would follow then that most of the Wynn Plains towns were rebuilt or built from scratch by Ragnians
Also at this point in time the war's kinda a smaller concern than it was, the golems provide security for towns and Ragni has the weakest attacks of them all
There are real life precedents of countries attempting to expand power de facto (at least initially)
Think Brigade 2506 ig

[raw badge]

Wait, so what will happen to the clocks we have from many sources? Will they be just like the Rusted Lost Sanctuary keys (except not being tradable) or other items from quests that aren't available anymore? Heck I've still got a corruption shard from an old Craftmas quest but I kept it for nostalgia

[drifting aurora]

what i mean by its not going to happen is its not getting done before fruma

the clock mystery still is going to get finished, just... no eta anymore

[raw badge]

Oh okay

Wait, what's happening with Fruma? I'm not sure if it's still coming in 2025, but there hasn't been anything about delays or whatever, and even then - I'm not sure if a Beta would be a good idea, since it might have spoilers or whatever? I could be wrong

I understand there's NDAs and stuff, and even if that's not the case - I just only had some curiousity

[solar ingot]

i hope there is a beta

but very limited

like, u can't access the whole province, just play the possible new raid and a few endgame mechanics

to test if everything works like it should

[raw badge]

Fair enough, having the whole province might include spoilers as well, especially for newbies who haven't gotten lvl 50, although I got 6 lvl 105 classes; with 2 mages and 1 of each class (I've used my Assassin for profs as well, mostly cos I've completed what I need to on such class, Warrior was mostly lootruns when I can be arsed, Archer was for testing Divzer but I didn't use it much & Shaman idk)

[solar ingot]

having the whole province would be bad because the testing usually lasts for 1 whole month

[raw badge]

But of course in terms of release; I'm kind of on the side of it being sometime in 2026, although they did say it'd be 2025, but seeing as Fruma will be the next major update (likely meaning 2.2, since 2.1 was Rekindled), its gonna take some time, and also with 1.21.10 being released as well, its gonna be a heck of a long time as well

[raw badge]

Aye

But seeing as we're almost at the end of 2025, we've still got Autumn to go through atm

[solar ingot]

i mean

[raw badge]

Anyway, I'm not getting my hopes up too high, as it will take time, just as long as they are transparent with whatever, that's the best thing I'd have

[solar ingot]

if there is a NPC that teleports you to the new raid (for beta testing purposes)

that's fair

[raw badge]

Yep

[solar ingot]

it's okay if we, as the players can't see anything about fruma in beta

[raw badge]

Ofc

Maybe we might not get a Fruma beta? It would take a while to test such, and idk if 2025 would've been the deadline, but seeing as there's under 100 days left of 2025, its probably gonna have to be finished in 2026, especially since there would've been a lot of hype

[solar ingot]

i guess

we're getting the final announcement sometime this week+

beta on november, full release on december

[raw badge]

Anyway this is meant to be about lore discussion, but on the topic of such - I'm still wondering how we'd get into the province; Infliltrating with someone who is part of a splinter group could be feasible, but seeing as Wynncraft doesn't give a crap about morale, its probably a more chaotic option if its doable, otherwise there's doing a boss battle akin to All Roads To Peace, which would be a bit controversial especially with the queen being well - questionable

[regal spire]

Excited to not play the beta and just look at the changelogs

[solar ingot]

yea, imma redirect this to #🌎wynncraft or smth

[raw badge]

Alright

Lore should stay here, but anything else goes to the wynncraft channel because duh

[eternal helm]

where is this!?

[raw badge]

Where did you find this?

I'm not sure about what its meant to be, but I'd reckon its just some hidden easter egg or something, just for fun or whatever afaik

[shut hornet]

betas usually have spoilers its just a fact of how they operate

[raw badge]

Fair enough

[shut hornet]

it was that way for the silent expanse, it was that way for gavel reborn, and that is how it will have to be

[raw badge]

Just meant about quests as well, but maybe it could be like a sneak peek?

[shut hornet]

the point of beta is to test bugs, the story needs to be there so we can test it for bugs lol

[raw badge]

Yep

Although I dunno why Mage's Dimension's Door aspect does kinda cause issues when teleporting during quests

Happened on Mixed Feelings mostly but idk

But anyway - I take back what I said about spoilers in beta, it would be a buggy mess if it wasn't tested either

Okay back to lore, I'm also going to likely guess Tasim would have a part to play, although we might have to tell him about Aledar, but I honestly don't mind if something happens to Tasim, although it might be inevitable

However, Tasim and Aledar did have a bit of something back in the prison with the two having an argument because Tasim had healed Aledar, which resulted in Tasim being an accomplice, but I suppose Tasim's fate might not be in vain, especially with Aledar being in a terrible state, and couldn't do much when we get to near the Eldritch Outlook (since he, Lucio and Elphaba did get cocky as well), and well - it had to happen

Okay I'll also try to minimise the yap, as I do this A LOT but I just like lore a lot, and idk why

[hybrid gazelle]

Damn

[eternal helm]

ariados lab

from the other entrance

[raw badge]

Alrighty

I'm not sure where he'd gone or something

[cerulean osprey]

gylia lake?

does meteors count as rocks?

[raw badge]

Wait what?!

Well I suppose

since they would contain rock-like materials anyway

[dim plover]

Doesn’t this just refer to that other door right outside the smaller Troms gate (the one beside Undergrowth Ruins)

There’s a rock in front of the door I think

[dim plover]

That reminds me of people somehow comparing crystals to meteors

Despite the meteors we’ve seen debatably not crystal-like

[unique jungle]

i mean idk dont the ones in ??? use glass panes

thats enough similarity for me

[eternal helm]

Oh yea it does x)

[warm adder]

can i have update leak

[unique jungle]

sure

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259475967655542887/1259475968892862596/2024-07-07_13.47.20.png?ex=69015626&is=690004a6&hm=5167ecbacd3e9e29e15ff7cf4513ef895a11113e0bbb9d30dde10e9041f292ee&

new world event thingy

[drifting aurora]

the broken llevigar pinot msg goes crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

guys I think llevigar pinot is currently active

[regal spire]

For -1 seconds.

[swift saddle]

i have the full clock set but i dont recall anything from what i did to get it

[regal spire]

You fought some bosses that weren’t very interesting, beyond their names and concepts

[dawn otter]

Are aspect names canon by any chance?

[regal spire]

What about them would even be canon

They’re just names

[dawn otter]

“Aspect of Dimensions Door”

[regal spire]

What would that even imply, lore wise

It’s just a name

[dawn otter]

That “teleport” opens up some wormhole that transports them to the other side I guess.

[regal spire]

That’s more just something that’s tied to spells as a whole, which don’t exactly have lore anymore

They did, at some point, like vanish being an assassin cutting into the veil of reality and cloaking yourself in it

[dawn otter]

Really?

Well that makes more sense, considering the new attacks don’t even hurt you LOL

[regal spire]

Really long time ago, yeah, in what was basically a fanfic of Bob being trained

[dawn otter]

If that property stays is up to the devs though

[regal spire]

They had an entire section on the wiki dedicated to Bob’s entire story, filled with lost characters and interesting interpretations

[dawn otter]

Given that dissolution exists, but idk if they want to rework it.

[regal spire]

I’d like for them to bring that story back; vanish had such an awesome lore to it

[dawn otter]

But yeah it makes much more sense that vanish is tied to an external realm.

[regal spire]

Made it feel that much more magical, putting your blade to the thin veil of our reality, and being able to cut into it to hide from the perception and physicality of others. But, being how taxing of a process that would be (think holding your breath or withstanding heat/cold), you can’t stay there forever

I’d assume teleport would do the same, in all honesty, opening slips in our reality to fly through, and open a path for yourself to the other side

[dawn otter]

Would make sense given you can’t gain health or mana (but you can lose health and mana for some reason).

[regal spire]

They should have a node that drains your mana or health for a longer vanish duration

Mimic the old vanish spells from pre 2.0

[dawn otter]

How do you interpret the player’s existence?

[regal spire]

My personal theory is that we’re part of a wide scale effort to supply more troops than what regular Fruman society can handle. If they sent more and more citizens to be soldiers, Fruma would be empty and there would be grounds for more to rebel/no workers to keep the province running. Instead, I imagined they brainwashed/wiped a series of the most well accustomed, mentally and physically healthy/proficient humans to essentially turn into breeding machines. They would selectively pick the healthiest humans for this program and continuously brainwash and memory wipe said humans until they were powerful enough to produce the most capable soldiers for Wynn’s conflict.
My theory is that we, as a later iteration of this program, are merely another test subject, wiped at birth and force fed a life that never existed, explaining why we have absolutely zero memories to latch to

I hope that the real huge twist for our players development is seeing the “soldier production” experimentation process, and we are previewed to how both Fruman society and Wynn soldiers are upkept and defended. A never ending development for better use of memory wiping magic, brainwashing, and stronger and stronger iterations of player characters being reproduced for a silent take over

Might add to Orphion’s line regarding “her (whatever) feeds this war” (I forgot the quote). A program like this does not bode for balance, and risks the entire world being controlled by the influence of darkness, if Dern somehow managed to get its influence into a program like that

[dawn otter]

I think having a few “magnus opus’s” could be feasible (Lari tells you to bring a few friends over before fighting the Grootslang), but I’m left to question if so much of the inhabitants of the world are player-alike.

[regal spire]

There’s also another variation of the theory, implying that we are the first iteration of the program, and are being sent to test our effectiveness as a soldier, despite our programming

Maybe we find more scrapped iterations of the experiment, like that person in a cage at the last few seconds of the sovereigns trailer

All theories, of course, but it feels like a unique progression

[hybrid gazelle]

No one in this world has same plot armor as player I am afraid

Also wynncraft just really love glazing the player for some reason but whatever

[obsidian aurora]

I have a feeling fruma lore will be some mid someone prove me wrong plz

[regal spire]

I bet it’ll be good

Doesn’t matter how it develops, as long as it makes sense

[obsidian aurora]

So far with all the other shit in this game its gonna have a comparatively weak foundation

Compared to other stories

I am super hoping the preexisting world gets alot of love in fruma update

[regal spire]

I’m not so sure, since there’s actually a ton of really nice stuff interspersed around the world. Currently, all the lore regarding Wynn and bits and pieces of gavel has a ton to be enticed by, and I wouldn’t expect Fruma to somehow not go similarly. There’s almost 13 years worth of development

[raw badge]

Exactly, idk how long Fruma was first put in development for, but I'm hoping it'd be good to make up for the years or so, although I've only played from 2021 (had a hiatus in 2021, but came back in 2024)

[molten escarp]

can we fight broken vessel in fruma that'd be really nice

[regal spire]

If anything, (if my theory has any weight to it) I’d absolutely love if we fought armies of successful iterations of a Fruman super solider. They’re better than us in every way, and it would require far more strategic understanding of the game to handle it, rather than just being powerful. Stuff like outsmarting and weaving through attacks, breaking formations, and attacking the most disadvantaged and noticeably injured.

A dynamic swarm that moves intelligently, taking the injured and sectioning them behind the strong, healing them to be battle ready again. It would be one of the more ethically dubious fights, despite the fact we’re facing an army of people sent to kill us. You’d hunt down and break away soldiers, prioritizing those with “compassion” and weaker minds on the field, to break the mold of those more mentally fortified

Hell, if we wanted to make it even more horrible, have the soldiers hide and ambush within civilian housing, leading us to possibly killing innocents along the way, as a cross fire to section off the “radicals”. Make it as genuinely disturbing and conceptually harrowing as possible

That last one is a bit too much of a concept for Wynn, though, despite how effective it could play out, in a world like Fruma

[shut hornet]

person in a cage?

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they meant the last sec in the teaser

[undone whale]

Is fruma coming out in the big 25

Or na

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think she can reveal that information LMAO

[digital swan]

My personal theory is that the game started when you enter the Fruma-Ragni trail so you have no history before IT'S A 4TH WALL JOKE

My second personal theory is that in the next update Mama Zomble's memory will have a use where you bring it to Dr. Picard and he checks out the stored memory

[acoustic ledge]

ah yes a question that can be answered randomly from an unsuspecting ct out of nowhere

https://tenor.com/view/uruthera-gif-6248642178916761042

[robust anvil]

he probably can answer it

[hybrid gazelle]

She

[drifting aurora]

fruma tomorrow

trust

[full viper]

https://tenor.com/view/tik-tok-meme-waiting-wait-time-gif-16450082290173148616

[spring kernel]

fruma tuesday afternoon

[cold cove]

Fruma on December 31st, 23:59

[rocky idol]

Without going too into detail, do we ever figure out our character’s past in the story? Just yes or no answer please

[quartz mist]

No

currently, anyways. dunno if thatll change in the future, but i wouldnt assume it to

[little otter]

hardcore character > get to fruma > die > start over

new lore explained

[regal spire]

I misspoke, there’s some kind of dark room—I assumed to be a holding facility—with someone slumped over on a wall, at the end of the trailer.

Could just be another prisoner, or a rebel

[warm flicker]

had a theory that we the player were created in a laboratory and sent to Wynn as a prototype for Fruma's new super soldier production line

[wind heron]

would be interesting as a bio soldier concept (don't get me wrong I wouldn't put it past some characters to have the knowledge to pull such a feat) but that's definitely interesting.

Also probably a dumb question but do we know when Gale, Ohm and Qira roughly met?

[quartz mist]

who's ohm

[regal spire]

Ohms

I wonder when that lab will get reworked or removed

[quartz mist]

ohhh, well why didn't they just say so

anyway, that info isn't known publicly

[regal spire]

🐀 🧦

Well, rat socks

[quartz mist]

I do have a date set out- it just isn't listed anyplace except internally

[regal spire]

This is the greatest news for Ohms enjoyers I’ve ever heard

[vapid moon]

when I feel like it

I as in me not selvut

[regal spire]

Hi, I’m Ming

[eternal helm]

I’m trusting you…

[neat oriole]

hero beta announcement tmr !!!

[eternal helm]

Wait who is Ohms

I’ve heard of the name 😭

But I don’t remember

[neat oriole]

ohm like resistance !!!

[raw badge]

To be honest, I do feel like such might be a mystery, especially with multiple scenarios that could've caused the player to be exiled from Fruma to well - Wynn, alongside Tasim and Aledar, both of whom we know of their past; Aledar was a fugitive on the run, whereas Tasim was an accidental accomplice, since he did heal Aledar somehow, which caused him and Aledar to get locked up and well - that's how Recover The Past ends for Tasim's bit

[quartz mist]

he's referenced on some items. much like lex and clock mystery gale and ohms' lore is something I've wanted to do for a while and had hinted at in the past because I thought it would be done way, WAY sooner than it actually turned out

[raw badge]

For the player - it could be left to be determined, but idk

[quartz mist]

but priorities and tech keep changing

[raw badge]

But anyway I'm gonna want to definitely do the quests when Fruma comes out! So much to possibly do as well, but idk if the first quest would start at 105 or even 106, since AHC is 103

But alas, time will tell

Anyway, I also don't know what would happen after Fruma, especially with Dern (basically the opposite of the Realm of Light), although with what happened after RoL 5, I'm sure we might have an encounter with Bak'al at somepoint in the coming time, but idk

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al on his way to do fucking nothing and then kill immediently when we actaully get to meet him

that would be really funny

but yeah rn Bak'al should appear in Fruma storyline point somehow cause I think if they wait until Dern then like

literally it making him proper long lasting villain would be wayyy too late

Bak'al got a problem where like in theory he should do a lot of shit

in theory he should be villain we looking forward to

but like

there is nothing so far

Bak'al literally should appear before ROL 5
and no I am not counting secrect discoveries

WYnncraft villain roster been in shamble for 10+ years now

[zinc estuary]

is he jorkin it

[neat oriole]

no, they're just called jorkin

is that a craftsman profile

[zinc estuary]

possibly

[warm adder]

lie

[digital swan]

Mr. Gale, from what I've heard

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think gale is her last name

[stiff hamlet]

Her name is Gale Nasin according to her gravestone

[eternal helm]

Tbh I love these tiny lore detail things- even if it isn’t content in the book it keeps the game feel alive- like the talking mushroom thing, the cannibals in the jungle world discovery thing, the broken teleporter next to Lusco etc.

[eternal helm]

There should be a low level quest where the player encounters bak’al or something.. the amount of ppl who don’t do secret discoveries and go on to RoL 5 and go like “oh hey who’s this?” Pisses me off 😭

At least like a new low level quest like Studying The Corruption could come back where some person was trying to study it, then encounters bakal and gets murdered so the player knows bakal is dangerous and gets scared when he appears in rol 5

[hybrid gazelle]

There slot you can do with Bak’al

But introducing him as the person who bring Wynn to ruins definitely should be done

Idk how it would be but yeah

Would be cool if Wynn story is more about fighting against corruption

I thjnk spider is fine it just rn it all we have

[warm flicker]

broken teleporter next to lusoco?

[hushed comet]

is there lore reason why memebard is muted

[nocturne stump]

i'm going to estimate the population of corkus at 25k, 15k in corkus city 5k in relos and 5k distributed around the island. i'm assuming the avos don't have sufferage

cube root of 25k is around 29 so the parliament probably has about 30 seats. it's probably unicameral because why would they have two houses

here's what it looks like. the majority party is blue. a minority leftist party is red. there's a centrist party with 5 seats, and two single-issue parties with 1 seat: a party advocating everyone to live under the command of the supercomputer and a party for freeing the avos

of course the elections are all rigged to some extent

given many of the other places have kings it's possible corkus is the most free (country?) in wynncraft

(the wilds, i guess, are more free)

[hexed nova]

🤔

[regal spire]

Considering Corkus is basically just a simpler, kinder allegory for western colonization, probably

[eternal helm]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/secret-near-lusuco.224157/

are there more of things like this btw or like the lab where the talking mushroom was made etc, I like these little world building things- does anyone know of any more 🥺

[eternal helm]

Only abt 12 hours.. where’s the fruma smh smh

[shut hornet]

corkus doesnt have a king but as a fun fact it was originally planned to

[nocturne stump]

i havent played this game in 2 years im being mandela effected

[solid fable]

I always thought corkus had a constitutional monarchy since theres literally a castle with a throne

[shut hornet]

thats probably a relic from the original plans

there is of course also room for us to change our mind and add a monarch later

[solid fable]

i theorized it was a remnant of their previous government

maybe they switched from a monarchy to a Republic to further get away from fruman roots

[digital swan]

Bring Mama Zomble's memory to Dr. Picard's memory machine

[hybrid gazelle]

God please do not add monarch for corkus the whole council and president thing make it unique from otjer civilization out there

[digital swan]

Honestly what are the other civilizations

Wynn has no central leader?

Gavel has ??????

Silent Expanse is a theocracy if you think about it, Le Eye

Fruma is a monarchy we got that

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynn has no central leader befause it’s diffferent civilization in an alliance

The mistake is that you view each province as one whole thing

Gavel is consist will different spieces with their own civilization

So ofc they are not under one civilization and have their own leadership system

Villager is democratic

Dwarves are monarchy

Elves are using elder as leader

And more

Ragni, Troms, dwarves clan are under monarchy

[hushed comet]

villagers dont have a central authoritative body though dont they

afaik mayors of towns

[eternal helm]

nothings happening 😭

[regal spire]

Does this do something?

[eternal helm]

i tried

nothing

[half hound]

Gavel has a king

Based in cinfras iirc

Remika was the first king of gavel

[half hound]

It’s more specifically an alliance of independent city-states, where while troms and ragni r monarchies like fruma (which they practically border) deltas/nesaak are vague, then almuj has a mayor i think but desert used to be empire, rymek is just… there

[half hound]

No????

If anything villagers are quite aristocratic

[warm flicker]

Detlas has a town council, Nesaak has no mention of governmental buildings so its essentially a libertarian paradise

[half hound]

Never knew deltas has a town council

That’s cool

[warm flicker]

yeah its mentioned here and there, not easy to pick up

[cold cove]

The Gavellian monarchy was overthrown and replaced with a democracy I beleive, though likely a corrupt one.

[hybrid gazelle]

They literally call themselves democracy

Idk what else to tell your

In game they call themselves democracy

[half hound]

Oh

[hybrid gazelle]

Wait wher

Also nesaak is like a fishing village so like

[hybrid gazelle]

Also thst part literally get overthrown as the other guy mention

Villager was once monarchy but later on get overthrown and replace with democratic

[warm flicker]

specifically, i think a Selchar NPC talks about the hour glasses in Selchar and Detlas mentions the town council giving in to popular demand to keep the hour glass up. It is also mentioned by Asher during some of the festivals, I think heroes and maybe bonfire

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah that

forgot about those

but yeah Detlas having town council make sense

well not town council more like city council

consider the size of Detlas

[nocturne stump]

is detlas city council nonpartisan or partisan

[hybrid gazelle]

not much we know

not relaly sure tbh

but I imagine city council act as figurehead like Ragni king

while every wynn cities are lead more by millitary

consider the war going on for 1000 years

it could make sense that now the main leadership are handed to millitary

[nocturne stump]

city council votes YES in 5-0 vote on deploying troops to ragni... is this the end for (the last vestiges of) democracy...

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I dont even think the city council would have a say in millitary operation

and act more as figure head to manage stuff like trade or the people

millitary operation in Wynn should be handle by the admiral

because like

I feel like it make more sense that way

[digital swan]

sorry I was scamming you but I did wonder if some staff with a good sense of humor had thought of that as a joke or smth
So half scam half using you to test something because I am NOT Buying one of those

[eternal helm]

i have 4 of them

lmao

so uh

does anyone know of any other world secrets like the Talking Mushrooms origin or the teleporter next to Lusco etc?

[warm adder]

theres a teleporter next to lusco?

[dim plover]

Ohms’ lab right

Right beside the town

[hybrid gazelle]

Depend on how you view memories

it really depend if memories can be deleted or not

but consider Tasim capable of remembering about it after witnessing his own past

I think the memories were not extactly erase

but more of pushing back to your mind like forgetting kind of deal

[cerulean osprey]

i wonder if the inquisitor just collects memories and uses them against the captive

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not that just shamnism or druidism

or whatever the outsourcing magical cost method call

Also the fact that memory can still be access

with dr picard doing his orb thing

implying that the memories were not taken or erase

and more of locking back of their mind

because if the memory did get taken or erase

there would be no memory for Dr. Picard to access to and view it

so I highly doubtthe memory wiping process is extactly erasure

so I highly doubt the method take anything from the victim

like looking from implication here

yeah literally like it would not make any sense if these memory were taken or erase or collect from the person

cause like

if they are

then how would Dr Picard magic orb thing access to it

would not it not work at all?

[warm flicker]

this implies that, for whatever reason, memory blocking is more effective than memory erasing. Probably because if something went awry with memory-wiping a person they could end up being basically lobotomized vs little risk of that happening with memory blocking (or so my head canon goes)

[hybrid gazelle]

I reptty sure it would make moresense that memory erasure just harder or imposible to archive compare to memory blocking

also memory blocking probably would be big ass elephant to address compare to forgetting about it

but yeah so far I dont believe the whole

Fruma deleting memory bit

or taking memory theory

because the Recovery the Past quest suggest that it there in a person

able to be recover

(Hence the name of the quest)

[warm flicker]

u know that phenomenon where if u enter a doorway u forget about what u were just doing if ur not reminding urself? New theory is that that just happens to everyone passing through the gates lol (its a legit phenomenon irl)

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess yeah that could work

I remember hearing about that phenomenon

[warm flicker]

lmao everyone assumes its a government conspiracy but its just Frumans being forgetful naturally

[digital swan]

This goes in there with the theory that the reason that there are still Skyraider kids despite all Skyraiders being women is because Skyraiders reproduce by budding: direct flight to /dev/null

[eternal helm]

How do we know whose lab it is(?) (what items etc say thats his lab idk)

[cold cove]

There was a massive hunt for it back in the day

[austere kiln]

Wait.

What.

[noble rune]

....

[midnight egret]

Hey what do we suppose the GDP of Wynn is?

[neat oriole]

likely in the trillions of emeralds

possibly quadrillions

[woeful plume]

i have a theory...

there are many aspects that make up the world. light and darkness are but two of them. the portal to the realm of war is created where those two opposing forces meet...

but what if that's the case for other opposing forces, too?

what if in the physical world where wynn, fruma and gavel reside, there are more portals to the realm of war, because different forces on the plane of influence collide there? that'd make sense, right?

[raw badge]

As far as I know, the portals were opened as a chain reaction when the former elders of Aldorei had well - taken down the Guardian of the Forest (which was basically the shield between the two realms or something like that), but in terms of other forces, I think the only forces are the Realm of Light and Realm of War; the latter of which is inacessible at the moment, but you can see part of it in the Silent Expanse

Essentially, the elves had connected with the Light for a long time, which did teach them morals but also selfishness; as opposed to the villagers' greed, therefore making them more isolated as they could not know who to trust with well - Aldorei's secrets

But as far as what I can answer; I don't know if there are more portals to the Realm of War, besides the one at the end of the Silent Expanse, but that's something to learn more in the future after Fruma

[unborn latch]

Today i found out that wynncrafts nether dimension is named crunkle dimension internally

[warm flicker]

In lore, i doubt almost anyone outside of Detlas has even seen a liquid emerald. Most people make their money through agriculture or trading. I suppose due to their biggest emerald mine turning into the literal Corruption Portal, there would be less emeralds mined and therefore less in circulation. For context, after you save the world from the influence of Wynnexcavation, the King of Ragni himself rewards you... 4 liquid emeralds. This isnt the King skimping out on rewarding you properly, to him, that is an massive amount of emeralds to reward you for essentially saving the world. By using this for reference, we can assume the coffers of Ragni alone is maybe 16 LE - a number not too high to be unbelievable, but not too low to make it seem the King is bankrupting his country to pay you. Because Ragni, as well as Troms and Detlas are on the richer side of Wynnic cities, these cities combined have about 48 LE in their coffers. Almuj is not as wealthy as these big three (as shown with their slums) so it might have 8 LE in their coffers. The remaining ~13 towns have maybe 1 LE put together. So to finally answer ur question, Wynn has about 57 LE in all of their coffers combined, which I feel is a good estimate on their GDP. Granted, this may seem like a lot, but its spread out across an entire province full of hundreds of people and almost 20 different settlements

So next time ur buying Silverbull shares, remember ur basically buying something worth almost half of the GDP of the entirety of Wynn

[quick needle]

I think it would be interesting to go through all the quest rewards, rank how significant each npc felt the reward was to them, use that to guess the worth of each npc, and average that for regions and populations

[vestal rivet]

Wynn's scaling is all wonky due to it being low level

[hybrid gazelle]

Please do not thjnk anything about wynncraft economy

[vestal rivet]

enemies and economy both

[hybrid gazelle]

It fucking awful because golems literally cheap as dirt

[quick needle]

To be fair.......

[hybrid gazelle]

Even tho they are metal bememoth with people inside it

So that like

Thst the ground you working with

[quick needle]

There are ways to explain away the golem problem

[hybrid gazelle]

Also corkian technology affordable to olux farmers

[vestal rivet]

well that's a problem with the golems not the Wynnic economy

[hybrid gazelle]

Therr literally no way to explain how golems can be so cheap

[vestal rivet]

oo?
where I think I missed this

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider what went into their production

[hybrid gazelle]

There is house in olux with corkian draining system

Fuck someone in Nemract can afford corkian architecture

[vestal rivet]

it seems old
wait
was the broad existence of Corkus as we know it today extablished before or after the Decay made Olux what it is?

[hybrid gazelle]

The fact that both human and villager use the same currency before they met is fucked up to begin with

[hybrid gazelle]

The ocean was traversable in 900 ap

So it post decay

[vestal rivet]

decay didn't immediately get bad did it?
and its referenced to still be spreading
so I assume it took quite a while to get as bad as it is today

[quick needle]

do we know when fruma was established?

[hybrid gazelle]

Also the fact that a fishing village stuck in snow zone can afford multiple golems is

Impossible no matter how you look at it

So as Nemract if we lead to believe they are that poor

[vestal rivet]

their guards should be using hunting gear as makeshift weapons realistically

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah but like parasite arrive in 0 AP

So it got 900 years before the corkian could come into contact with gavel

Decay can’t be that slow

And by the year 800 Ap or something

Parasite would leave to rol

[vestal rivet]

poor port city seems like a paradox
esp since it's the ONLY port city

[hybrid gazelle]

It fine because Nemract got Detlas as competition

So it make sense to be that poor

[midnight egret]

Silverbull company is based in gavel, and should be accounted for in its gdp no?

[vestal rivet]

ok good point
but that would imply that Nemract was once not poor bcs it was the only port then no?

we see no point in Nemract's history (apart from ancient Nemract) that it was ever rich unless I missed something

[hybrid gazelle]

Ofc they not poor but consider what happen to their older city

Yeah they fucked

[vestal rivet]

Ancient Nemract is older than that I thought

[hybrid gazelle]

Also btw ocean only open after 900 AP

[quick needle]

I just wish we could buy shares in other things

Zhight island shares would be great.

[hybrid gazelle]

So the port in Nemract back then likely only use for fishing

[vestal rivet]

fell to ruin closer to 0AP, at least a couple hundred years before oceans traversible?

[hybrid gazelle]

By the time ocean is open, Nemract just shadow of itself

[hybrid gazelle]

Not couple hundred years

900 years

[vestal rivet]

Mage Island wizards have way too much weight in that one action lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Mage island is strange

[vestal rivet]

ok fine several hundred years before

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t want to consider it

It’s existence just make 0 sense so like

Screw it

[vestal rivet]

Wynn lore is screwed because the game wasn't made with it in mind
and it never can stop bothering us

[hybrid gazelle]

So yeah economy of wynncraft is prettr fucked up so now we have no idea

Also btw their money literally like

Gem mine from the mine

Not process

Or minted

Literal gem like

That not fucking working

This shit ain’t clash of clans

[vestal rivet]

Wynncraft 2 releases in 10 years to try to fix the lore inconsistencies

that or we just more retcons over that time until half the original lore is gone and the conflicts are mostly gone

[midnight egret]

The tier 10 emeralds pouch can hold 100 million pounds worth of emeralds
4stx=256le=16384blocks
At 2760kg/cubic meter is 45 million, convert to pounds
Now we have 29 slots to hold these pouches.
About 3 BILLION pounds.
Add this to the powerscaling guys!

[solid fable]

corkus economy is doing great actually

[hybrid gazelle]

Also it impossible to think emerald block is literal 64 emeralds clump together

Befause thst like saying

20 baht paper is 20 1 baht coins clump together

And no way people in universe carry a bottle consistent of 64 eb so it likely all minted

[midnight egret]

Ok but whats funnier

[hybrid gazelle]

This is old stuff

Carrying literal compact money would be funny yes but that brought so many quest in economy I don’t wanna deal with it

Like ofc we gotta make wynncraft emerald its own thing

Rather than basing off irl emerald

Which is fine

[vestal rivet]

what are emeralds even backed by
is it like gold where the backing is that people think it's valuable all around the world?

[hybrid gazelle]

Peobably consider Wynn human and gavel villager use jt before they meet

[woeful plume]

i know how the portals opened, but that doesn't exactly rule out the possibility of there being more than 3 realms, or more than one portal to the realm of war (not the realm of darkness!)

[hybrid gazelle]

I think this is dated lore

That got scrap when Aldorei secrect part 2 remake

So now we don’t even know wtf light religion stuff all about

Wow it would be so cool world buildinn and enchance certainly character

If we got to learn what the light is to the population of elves

If only the light being use more to be part of elven culture

[raw badge]

oh okay

[hybrid gazelle]

And not have generic elves city being use as reference for Aldorei

That would be very nice

[heavy sapphire]

When and where was Ancient Wynnic first translated by the community? Is there any documentation of this project?

[quartz mist]

You get an Ancient Wynnic translator by doing all the Wynn Plains discovery.

Ancient Wynnic was implemented in the same update as the translator was introduced.

[plain ingot]

Though Ancient Wynnic itself is older than it's in-game implementation

It was first used in the original Gavel update teasers I think

and then as enchanting table particles in the resource pack and that's probably when it was first deciphered

[cold cove]

Deusphage has explicitly confirmed that there are only three

[woeful plume]

i see. that's a bit disappointing

[woeful plume]

definitely not scrapped, that's how the quest plays out even now. i did that quest recently, like 4 days ago or so

[hybrid gazelle]

do you mean aldorei secrect part 1?

because I literally do not recall it playing out like that in the current iteration

[woeful plume]

nope, part 2

the quest with olon and elven immortality, no?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[woeful plume]

they state that the elder prometheus ordered for the guardian to be cut down to reveal the secret to the realm of light. this opened the portal to the realm of light, which subsequently also caused the portal to the realm of darkness and the realm of war to open

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that what happen yes

[woeful plume]

the aldorei elders very explicitly state they are the cause of the decay and the corruption

[hybrid gazelle]

yes that what they said

[woeful plume]

then where is the problem exactly?

[hybrid gazelle]

because they said the old lore where elves were suppoes to be oppose to villager's greed back then

which is old lore

[woeful plume]

that's true, but the person i talked to didn't mention that, did they?

[hybrid gazelle]

also I dont think they clearify the whole selflessness in current Aldorei's secrect part 2

?

anyway

[woeful plume]

i think they were referring to the fact that in the current iteration of wynncraft, villagers can still be quite greedy

[hybrid gazelle]

so far have to figure out how dragon should be protray in wynncraft

other iteration is not that good

lot of thing need to be redesign

I need to focus more on body diversity between dragons

[hybrid gazelle]

this is no longer the case from what I speak to CT

well not to the extent of the old greediness of villager because back then decay happen because of them

somehow

[woeful plume]

no yeah, i'm not saying the decay is their greed's fault; just that villagers can be quite greedy, which mirrors the elves' own greed

[hybrid gazelle]

too bad the current iteration of elves are not that anymore but whatever

[woeful plume]

i'd say they were very greedy and selfish in their history. and even if they are not so much now, aldorei is not innocent whatsoever lol

[hybrid gazelle]

I think you misunderstood what I am saying

you confusing the actual lore timeline and the development timeline

[soft radish]

Aight so I found an interesting plot hole for people to ponder over.
In RoL4 Lari says that elves are forbidden to enter Cinfras.
In AS2, Olon is able to walk through the guild hall just fine, and even talk to a couple people along the way. They are not detained or kicked out.

[hybrid gazelle]

Back then earlier development when Gavel was fresh
elves way back in pre rework Aldorei secrect was meant to be contrast to the villager back then

but that was not the case in current canon

[woeful plume]

maybe it's not necessarily elves in general, but aldorei elves that aren't allowed into cinfras?

[soft radish]

Is Olon not from Aldorei?

[woeful plume]

olon and the other efilim elves were exiled from aldorei. olon also has friends in the guild hall

[hybrid gazelle]

No she saidj ust elves

whichi s like

whatever I guess

Not like ROL story make sense at any point

consider the whole ROL 4 section only there just to give Lari justified crashout

[soft radish]

Yea Lari didn't specify any kind of elf, she just said elf

[woeful plume]

she did. i'm just speculating whether it could be fixed with a simple explanation

[soft radish]

That would make a lot of sense

[woeful plume]

maybe she doesn't know that efilim elves aren't looked down upon lol

[soft radish]

Especially given the cultures and personalities of the two towns

[woeful plume]

she's been quite... busy, afterall

[soft radish]

Efilim is a lot more chill, and so Cinfras is probably fine because they're not entering the town spreading their elf politics to anybody

[woeful plume]

yeah, it's likely cinfras sees efilim as an ally instead of the enemy like aldorei, considering efilim is the enemy to aldorei also lmao

[soft radish]

They probably see Aldorei elves as stuck up and haughty

[woeful plume]

the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that

[woeful plume]

because they are

the first aldorei's secret quest shattered that perfect elven society image pretty quickly i should say

[soft radish]

That quest still makes no sense to me

[hybrid gazelle]

nothing in ROl amke any sense so like

lmao

[soft radish]

I'm talking about AS1

[woeful plume]

i think it makes sense enough, i liked that quest though

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh yeah AS1

outdated shit

[woeful plume]

korben i could never snitch on you

[hybrid gazelle]

wow cool

[soft radish]

That's the thing, we spend the whole quest on a goose chase and (from my experience) never saw anything that broke down the "perfect society"

That's all in AS2

When the lore is revealed to us in a convenient cutscene

[woeful plume]

it was the way korben talked about how he wouldn't be able to get his father help because it would alert the other elves he'd been in efilim

and that would have resulted in their exile

[soft radish]

I also don't pay attention to character dialogue

[woeful plume]

that's why things don't make sense to you, my friend

[soft radish]

At least not much

[soft radish]

:D

[woeful plume]

it's pretty messed up to exile your own people because they visited family in another town

[soft radish]

Real

[hybrid gazelle]

AS1 is outadted quest that did not get remake along side AS2

[woeful plume]

so ASII was not very surprising to me anymore at that point

[hybrid gazelle]

and even then AS2 was remake without conisderation of AS1

so thing misjointed because fo that

it is what it is

[soft radish]

We hate outdated quests

Wynncraft fix your quests

[woeful plume]

it's like... fine? i'm not sure what the problem is

[hybrid gazelle]

okay

anyway as of rn thing will get rewrite as time goes on

most quest pre lootrun update kinda

eh

God need to figure out how to fit wyvern and stuff in

[night shale]

Why does everything drop emeralds

[hybrid gazelle]

gameplay

[night shale]

Pain

[hybrid gazelle]

what

do you actually expecting there lore behind basic ass gameplay mecahnic that literally almot every single video game has?

[night shale]

I accidentally typed that earlier

Cause I needed to use the bathroom

Anyways is there anything on the moon

[nocturne stump]

emeralds in bloodstream trust me bro

[night shale]

Dang

I was hoping for evil ritual that turns souls of the slain to emeralds

[nocturne stump]

wait ok hear me out

everything in wynn is silica-based life using emeralds to carry oxygen through the bloodstream because the planet wynn is on has high amounts of beryllium

...so npcs are literally buying blood. its blood money.

[night shale]

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