📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

crystals

and no elaboration

wait are the purple void crystal reltaed to Wynnex crystals I forgot

they look the fucking same

oh wait I forgot wynnex and gavelian meteor are completely different I THINK??

I geniunely forgot because like

they probably different but at the same time they felt the same to me for some reason

[dim plover]

WynnExcavation Site E

Somehow Amadel returns and destroys the entire fleet of Wynn army war vehicles but then he dies from his own Crystal magic using the power of friendship or whatever

[hybrid gazelle]

the story ever

[dim plover]

It’s ok because then Amadel learns the meaning of friends and repents for his mistakes by apologizing (and everyone has a dance party at the end)

(Ignore all the people he killed tho)

[neat oriole]

nah it's frumaexcavation site a

where the remnants of the wynnex company fled to fruma and setup there

[hybrid gazelle]

They all gonna get fucking executed

[small sluice]

ew anti-intellectualism

disgusting

idts

amadel dont give no shit bout fruma

plus like only connection of fruma and wynnex is sohso

and fruma is isolated

[warm adder]

amadel is dead

[raw badge]

ngl for my headcanon, ||I always feel like Fruma would involve a battle which would be akin to All Roads to Peace with the Fruman queen offering to battle, although this could eventually be either later in the quest, or if the teaser is right - as soon as you are near the gate. Of course for the former, this would involve a splinter group as mentioned in Relos' secret library, which I also pictured Tasim being able to reunite with the player, which could give A Journey Beyond vibes, but the 'captain' of the group would sneak in, and try to overthrow the monarch as its likely corrupted, but I could be wrong. On the other hand, the battle would involve the queen being impressed by the soldier's skill, and would pardon them for whatever they did to end up with Tasim and Aledar to Wynn, but the thing is - what the heck did the soldier do?||

Spoilered because this is a bit of a predictable headcanon

[hybrid gazelle]

Well that imply the group that would become corkian are splitter group

HONESTLY

I dont think you would want to get pardon by a facist LOL

but idk maybe fruman queen is not who we thought to be

but as of rn IDK with information we have ehhhhhh

I rather not get pardon by facist

[eternal helm]

Iirc it was like: gavel excavation studied meteors, and things in gavel as well as funded the science guy in the sky island, then fired members and became Wynnex to find the crystals and stopped funding that guy

Wait that’s actually interesting are there more lore pieces to support that? :o

[hybrid gazelle]

That something alright

So like void crystal are different from Wynn crystals somehow

God when they said it was product of its time

It really is product of its time

Good thing I vaporize crystal stuff from Wynnex

[eternal helm]

Btw who made this from a while back I still can’t understand it lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Purple

[eternal helm]

also like

When was this in the game xd

I’m trying my best to make sense of it- it’s connecting how the crystals etc moved around the world and who connected to what but I’m kinda confused

Also like noting how wynnex got 4 crystals… one for each element…. But not the air one, does this mean that like- Amadel would’ve been 1000x stronger if he had obtained the air crystal? (Which we also like.. don’t see(?))

[regal spire]

Maybe it’s invisible, like air and what have you

[eternal helm]

I mean

Air powder isn’t invisible

[regal spire]

Ah, but that’s powder

Air crystals are different

[eternal helm]

At least iirc the T4+

[hybrid gazelle]

That fan made boss

You need to ask purple themselves to understand jt

You won’t understand by just image alone

[eternal helm]

T1-3 is invis, but that also like helps prove that the air crystal would be visible

As more condensed air magic is visible seen from higher tier powders

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think they meant to be element

[eternal helm]

So a crystal of all air powder would be visible

[eternal helm]

I mean.. it would make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

It would

But it not

For some reason

Also it would be just really weird if olms just somehow escape Dern by using “earth” crystal cause like

[eternal helm]

tbh I think it is but wynnex just needs to be updated to make it clear

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf is the connection

If Wynnex get remake

I highly doubt crystals will stay

Becuase as it mention

They are product of their time rather than sometime with actual meaning

But who know

[eternal helm]

by using the 5 crystals of each element bc some godly power that embodies light and darkness and can be harnessed to create or destroy 🌈

this is why rainbow builds r op fr

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t think they ever mention other crystal

It just the green one

Specifically

For some reason

I don’t think olms ever mention the other

[eternal helm]

Farcor stole it…

[hybrid gazelle]

Well at that point we might as well said sea skipper somehow habe something to do with this

[eternal helm]

no duh obviously

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

Anyway

Yeah just idk

Does not really give Wynnex thst much consideration

Planned to do Wynnex rrwrite at some point long after rol

[eternal helm]

tbh I really like the current wynnex idk why

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure

[eternal helm]

It fits my love for lore perfectly somehow

[regal spire]

Farcor ate it and that’s why he’s an air dragon

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay thst

If this outdated quest fit your version of wynncraft lore sure

[eternal helm]

mysterious not many answers but at the same time gives like 1000000 questions but gives you a deeper insight that there’s more to the world

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah absolutely thst totally what Wynnex does

Thst

That totally what it does

[eternal helm]

sarcasm orrr

[hybrid gazelle]

I gotta plan to finish up rol rewrites somehow

God

Talking with editor would be difficult but I will find a way

[solar ingot]

can't wait for LI rework

so they add amadel

LI could be a good boss rush

but since 40% of the bosses are unknown for half of the player base

[warm flicker]

well nothing too confirming, but Time Valley has a lot of time-warping buildings and artifacts. Thing is, in the lake under the Sanctuary bridge are blue "rocks" (most likely blue crystals) which i assume the Olm mined at some point to make their time warping machines

[eternal helm]

wait the olm made time warping machines??

am i dumb

i never remember that

also what about the purple teleporting rocks?

[warm flicker]

not time machines per say. Im referring to the time shovel from that one quest. It uses time warping to make excavation work instant

[eternal helm]

hm

[warm flicker]

purple rocks/crystals can be found throughout the void, during the 1000 meters under quest we use them to teleport from floating island to floating island

[eternal helm]

like

other than that

is there anything else

[warm flicker]

unfortunately not, thus why this is only a head canon. It doesnt explain the mysterioys teleporter between nemract and time valley, which uses a blue crystal despite being a teleporter

[eternal helm]

lol

[hybrid gazelle]

update on wartorn document

[small sluice]

yo

im js curious but is the corruption in the alumj desert or is it just trapped to only the wynn plains

[hybrid gazelle]

I pretty sure it somewhat reach desert consider there undead there

but it not that much

but there osme patch of corruption in the mesa

HONESTLY I just think mummy is production of corruption because literally like

that the only thing we know of in wynn that bring back the dead

[small sluice]

im pretty sure the corruption exists in the desert

but its not that effective

[small sluice]

yuh

but how abt in troms tho?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no corruption spike so it's not that infested

Troms

there is WE about corruption there

[small sluice]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah jungle as a whole is outdated

but the information we have

WOrld event

but the information we have, the jungle SHOULD be infested wit hcorruption

[small sluice]

the bane of the great bridge?

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah and also like

[small sluice]

yea but like

theoretically

[hybrid gazelle]

the whole slykaar lore stuff about corruption reach Troms

[small sluice]

aside from the pigmen ravines

[hybrid gazelle]

and even recently with Skien and Tisuan lore

there SHOULD be corruption in jungles

[small sluice]

i agree

its confusing

although like

theres not much way for corrupteds to go to troms aside from the pigmen ravines

corruption is gone in nesaak

[small sluice]

after theorick did shit

[hybrid gazelle]

HOnetsly yeah IDK after the freezing there like

no way a new corruption force manage to get into troms

so what is there in the jungle should be leftover force

[small sluice]

so corruption in the jungle is probably just stranded corrupteds

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it make more sense if jungle got updated, the only thing that left is stranded undead and devils

[small sluice]

im pretty sure that we dont see a lot of corruption in the troms jungle cuz like

the stranded corruption left in troms got weaker and weaker

[regal spire]

Is the Nameless Anomaly the big black skeleton, or the gem inside?

[hybrid gazelle]

Probably big black skeleton itself

I still stand by the fact that TNA likely an olm

[pliant plank]

Any TNA lore?

[topaz gazelle]

I just got back into Wynncraft recently and honestly I forgot how good the story is, I'm only level 40 rn but the recent quests I've been doing have nice dialogue and cool story! Not to mention all the fun fights some have and little activities! very fun indeed (imo)

[regal spire]

I’m of the opinion—and hope—that the black skeleton itself was once an Olm, but the crystal within it has warped and changed it to better suit whatever it’s doing

I’d really like the crystal to be a more involved aspect of its design, where the skeleton gets beaten and broken off of its body, forcing the crystal to morph and change the skeleton to suit its disadvantaged state

Like you blow off its hands, but that’s fine, because the skull eats the crystal, and the ribs become fingers, and it starts crawling like some kind of horrible spider

[onyx smelt]

noice! yeah many of the quests have great flavor to them

[onyx smelt]

in your headcanon, what in basic terms is wynncraft's world origin story? and how would that explain certain questlines/locations?

[dim plover]

Am I to assume that Realmic influence isn’t just like, on Earth

We know Wynncraft’s outer space is massive, probably nearly the same scale as ours’

So like

Is there a reason why the two portals are comparatively, astronomically close to each other

[regal spire]

Honestly, I don’t think so

This has been my own kind of head cannon, but I always imagined that there were hundreds of destroyed worlds, all basically accumulating at the realm of war. Every time a battle is completed and a world is overtaken/destroyed, they go to a new world and throw down as close to each other as strategically possible, taking one half of the world/province or whatever.

I’ve got a small theory, attached to this idea, where orphion themself took a defensive approach to their eternal battle, having closed off his own realm from any sort of opening from Dern, but the world itself also just somehow closed over them both, conveniently benefitting in Orphion’s approach.

Dern, having no way of interacting with Orphion, took their time and bided for a moment to inflict their influence in the most strategically intelligent way they could think of, taking a stealthier approach, and aligning themself with those desperate enough (Ba’kal)

[pliant plank]

Tna is Greg Heffley when he snaps

[slow notch]

is there lore on who runs the trade markets

since they are all the same entiries in each city with the same items

[hybrid gazelle]

It mostly for gameplay purpose just like blacksmith and item identifier

But overall trade markets literally just market irl

Each city gotta have a market

Ope even buy supplies form one

[slow notch]

lore will need to be created in fruma.

[hybrid gazelle]

What

[slow notch]

blacksmiths and item identifiers dont need to have lore because theyre solo businesses

but the trade markets are interconnected

[hybrid gazelle]

I am confuse what you meant

It just market

For gameplay purpose

Because if they try to make lore of thst then it gonna get complicated and very confusing

With implication that every city ever exist share this one inter dimensional market

Which get very weird when you involve currency, economy, and stuff

And also make logistic very questionable

I literally don’t see what you mean by it being interconnected lore wise

Or that it has to be

Or it offer anything to the setting/lore by being implement closely to its in game function

Also stuff like corkus would never work if they are nation free from influence like that if gavel

If they share this inter dimensional market along with them

And also fruma because they meant to keepe everyone outside out

So like idk what you meant

Damn okay I guess I will never know

[warm flicker]

trade market is just one of those things u have to not think about. It has no basis on the lore, but if it did it would break the economical and logistical systems of the world

just consider it... a metaphysical construct only we the player are aware of due to our sheer power or something

or our collective delusion i guess

[regal spire]

It’s just a market vendor that takes from multiple, notable trade hubs. The fact it sells as much as it does is purely a gameplay thing, but the in lore concept is that shipments from around the world fly into these set hubs and distribute the goods from there

That’s why there aren’t trade markets in every single town, because most towns and cities arent hubs for commercial traffic

[hybrid gazelle]

This literally what I meant it nearly impossible to have thing like this work in lore

And also let’s be real shit in decay area neglected as fuck

[obsidian bane]

chat

lore peope

Galevius

who is that

no wiki page

[regal spire]

Galevius?

[exotic bough]

Fruma leak?

Honestly have no idea never heard of them

[hybrid gazelle]

where did you even get that name from lol

oh that

wtf is that name

[dim plover]

It’s Gale but vius

.
(Idk I was trying to remember an NPC named that while reading the post as well)

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft dev be making up herobrine character

because srly who the hell is galevius

[shell dragon]

Well he didn't spawn before

so I guess he didnt exist til now 👀

[hybrid gazelle]

well go find them then

[dim plover]

Wonder what Clock Mystery lore would be

Almost forgot about that project

I want to combine bosses from the old and new one into one big conceptual boss rush that’ll be cool

Do we have images of the new Clock Mystery
I can’t remember

[warm flicker]

after spending a concerning amount of time looking through the wiki, I have compiled a rough estimate of when each town/settlement in Wynncraft was established:

1000 AP
New Taloka - 1000 AP* (Re-established, original settlement ~5000 BP)
Tempotown - 1000 AP

900 AP
Selchar - 970 AP
Ternaves - ~950 AP
Thesead - ~950 AP
Detlas - ~910 AP* (Re-established, original settlement ~70 AP)
Maltic - 900 AP
Eltom - ~900 AP
Nemract - ~900 AP* (Re-established, original settlement before 0 AP)

600-900 AP
Alekin - 886 AP* (Re-established, original settlement unknown)
Corkus - 850 AP
Relos - ~850 AP
Dark Forest Village - Before 850 AP
Rymek - ~800 AP
Olux - Before 800 AP
Gelibord - Before 800 AP
Lexdale - Before 800 AP (maybe ~600 AP?)

0-600 AP
Lusoco - Before 589 AP
Nesaak - Before 575 AP (maybe ~500 AP?)
Ahmsord - ~573 AP* (Taken over by villagers, original settlement established after 0 AP)
Rodoroc - 300 AP
Maex - 300 AP
Dogun’s Retreat - 300 AP
Void Village - ~0 AP
Efilim - ~0 AP

Confirmed Pre-Corruption:
Thanos - Before 0 AP (maybe ~200 BP)
Ragni - Before 0 AP (maybe ~300 BP?)
Bucie - Before 0 AP (maybe ~400 BP?)
Llevigar - ~400 BP
Cinfras - before 463 BP (maybe ~500 BP?)
Troms - Before 0 AP (maybe ~500 BP?)
Lutho - 800 BP
Aldorei - Before 900 BP
Almuj - Before 1400 BP
Courag - ~5000 BP

Unknown:
Bremminglar
Iboju Village
Elkurn
Avos Settlement
Centerworld
Jofash Docks

[dim plover]

Do we have an estimation of what year the Olms existed

Or like the earliest known year

[spring kernel]

Memorial Npc

[warm adder]

what is taloka

what’s courag

why did lutho get gloomy and such i forgor

what’s center world

why do we know cinfras exactly before 483

[hybrid gazelle]

It's dogun city

that being rebuild post DND

courage is dogun capital that been repurpose into festival site that you been in DND 1

lutho is gloomy because

honestly do I have to even fucking say because I feel like you could just make guess yourself like literally if you just play the game

also what you mean by 483

like the uprising?

well we ogt like llevigar library archivist

we got the archieve in discoveyr

so yeah that how we know stuff

[neon crest]

any lore significance of the outer void?

[hybrid gazelle]

it's void

[neon crest]

maybe that mythic paper?

[hybrid gazelle]

thati s outer

and stuff fall into it

[hybrid gazelle]

oh that about how ahsmord colossus rebuilding itself

[neon crest]

ah neat

wb the statue the vendor lost to the void?

part of their dialogue

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

which oe

what dialogue

[neon crest]

figure carved from stone

adorned with gems

also orbs with R on them

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

which one which dialogue

I dont get it like

what you mean

[neon crest]

this is the mean

[hybrid gazelle]

honetsly

no idea

probably some kind of statue from sky island

[warm flicker]

oh these are Ragni balls. If u talk to that one child npc in Ahmsord he says that Ragni balls are out of fashion and all the kids are kicking theirs into the void, hence this is how the Gatherer gets them

[warm flicker]

as for this, the only statue i can think of is the Ahms colossus because it is obviously too heavy to move, but its still here and not lost to the void

[neon crest]

is the canyon colossus a different one?

[warm flicker]

theyre essentially the same entity, just copies of one another

[neon crest]

or does it count as ahms

ah

I have a foggy memory of the ragni ball from ragni being pushed to ahmsord as an easteregg

is that a thing?

[warm flicker]

yeah, i think that line from the wanderer partially references that

[warm adder]

why did dern start controlling lutho and such

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

since when

[warm adder]

is dern a furry like orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know

[neon crest]

yall think there will be more expansion after fruma

[ornate summit]

nah bro they gonna completely stop the game after fruma happens

[neon crest]

a shame

[ornate summit]

i think the next one will be dern

atleast after a hunters calling

thats bacisally the doorway to dern

i think

[neon crest]

maybe more expansion on the different worlds like void/light realms

What do we know about Dern so far?

there a consolidated info place for lore of the world?

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think there muchbeyond the void

since tnothing is its whole point

Dern is just realm of Dark

ROL we alread get into

so fater dern we likely gettin gwhole new storyline

[pliant plank]

There is.

[eternal helm]

tf is this supposed to mean (ik theres one on the emerald trail) but like.... its not closed? theres a guy right there

[rotund sphinx]

I think there used to not be one there

[dim plover]

That guy has been there for literal years now and the sign hasn't been changed

I have no idea why the sign is still there

[dusk sleet]

I'm very lacking on my wynn lore nowadays, are humans native to Wynn or just villagers

[eternal helm]

yea ik but like… was the Wynn team too lazy to remove the sign or is there lore here

[dusk sleet]

prob forgotten, not lazy

[rotund sphinx]

Neither are “native” to my knowledge, humans emigrated from Fruma and Villagers came from Gavel

[eternal helm]

yea probs shoulda chosen my words better xd

[rotund sphinx]

There might be native humans I forgor

[eternal helm]

Tho it would be kinda hard to miss when they put the guy there

[rotund sphinx]

But Villagers are not native

[dusk sleet]

I'm kinda wondering how old Iboju Village Tribe is

Looked at them and they have human skins

[rotund sphinx]

I don’t remember if those are actual pure humans or Olm descendants

[eternal helm]

Humans r just from fruma right?

[dusk sleet]

I mean Olm lore came out way after Iboju lore

[rotund sphinx]

If they are human those would be the only Wynn natives

[eternal helm]

besides like the tribes in the desert etc

[rotund sphinx]

The Dernic Jungle trives

Oh right I forgot about the desert

[eternal helm]

Also Iboju isn’t the only jungle tribe

[rotund sphinx]

Yeah the Wynn Plains humans are all Fruma

[eternal helm]

There’s also Entimas

[dusk sleet]

I just said Iboju since most people would get what i meant

[spring kernel]

that identifiers has been there for years despite the sign, we should probably just remove the sign

[dusk sleet]

they have ancient ruins, so definitely old, but I wonder how old

[spring kernel]

Humans are native to wynn

[rotund sphinx]

At least 1000 years since they predate the portal

[eternal helm]

u should refurbish the sign and add a bit of lore where the two identifiers could be arguing or smtn idk

Or at least like

“Ralph’s Identification Station”

A lil more personality idk

[rotund sphinx]

So I learned this doing Festival spirits but there’s an enemy called the Item Unidentifier

[eternal helm]

The Olm? Didn’t they have time warped tools to finish building instantly or smtn (the shovel that Asher found)

[eternal helm]

????

[rotund sphinx]

Its in the rare potato stash island

[dusk sleet]

No I just mean that Iboju Village is like ~2014 wynn while Olm are not lol

[rotund sphinx]

There’s like 2 spawn points there

[eternal helm]

That’s it *unidentifies your mythic*

[dusk sleet]

obv can change the lore just wondering what the original story was

[eternal helm]

Where the spirit is? I did that one last year but I don’t remember an unidentifier

[eternal helm]

Ah xd

[spring kernel]

in the potato stash

[rotund sphinx]

Yes
They replaced the Potato Imps with them ig

[eternal helm]

huh 😭

I’ll need to check this out tmr

[dusk sleet]

ancient nemract potato stache got removed :(

[rotund sphinx]

What’s odd is I can’t find it on wiki

[eternal helm]

Did we ever actually get lore on why identifiers have potato stashes

[spring kernel]

they like potatoes

[hybrid gazelle]

probably some inside joke

[rotund sphinx]

Potatoes are actually the catalyst for identification magic trust

[eternal helm]

Tbh this is my head cannon

I just wish they did smtn with it

[rotund sphinx]

That or its like MiB 3

[hybrid gazelle]

I

[rotund sphinx]

Where a side effect of identification magic is a craving for potatoes

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think theywould do something with item identification liking potato

[eternal helm]

Rather than it being a gag? Idk it’s cool but I just love lore and detail

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think that would line up with the magic system they going for

but like then again who keep track at this point

[eternal helm]

Quartz and potatoes are the ultimate power source

It’s stronger than all the wynnex crystals combined and can create new elements and realms at will

[hybrid gazelle]

quartz somehow being the worse magic absorbing material than petricite is from runeterra

[spring kernel]

They finally figured it out

No wau

[neon crest]

what is the most obscure and unimportant lore yall know?

[hybrid gazelle]

Old man martyn

like

does he even exist

do anyone remember him exist

[onyx smelt]

yeah saving that random dude from a time loop after he touched a shovel ???

[hybrid gazelle]

He appear in tempo town too

[onyx smelt]

yup

irrelevant all powerful being

[hybrid gazelle]

he meant to be friend wit hbob

which sound like a big deal

but like

some random fucking guy is also BOb's friend

so IDK man

also another one I just htink of

Eih

like EIh is type of part of the lore that less you knwo probably the better

becuase like oh yeah memory paranoid could literally just be haha player high on drug quest and it would be fine

but with the fact that Eih is actually messenger of Light

it brought so many question in a way that it make hte lore worse than better

like is this another hte Light self sabotaging itself? Like

there literally messenger of the light running around

does it ever talk to Lari?

like what the point of it

it literally would do fine btw without this info but oh well

I guess the lore too also love sabotaging itself

[regal spire]

Is it cause potatoes have eyes and can see through unidentified items?

[digital swan]

is he secretly olm in disguise

[hybrid gazelle]

no becauee we see olm disguise before

and they look nothing like that

also olms literally have record of them just living in human population without the need of extreme disguise

so it would be entirely pointless to disguise himself

and even then he refer olms as if they are not his own people

imagine saying "the humans" as human being

[digital swan]

so you're saying he's a misolmthrope

which is acceptable I guess he is mad at the other olm for breaking everything

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure if you take it that way

but so far there not much evidence of saying he is an olm

all that we know about him is that he is the caretaker of the valley

he know Bob at some point

that pretty much it

[digital swan]

he has absurdly powerful magic, maybe he knew Bob's mother, he hates all other Olm because they destroyed their civilization, he disguises so well because the Mysterious Merchant doesn't AT ALL and gets called the Mysterious Merchant as a result

[hybrid gazelle]

Did he has absurd powerful magic

all I remember is that he mantain time valley

but we were not clear about his power, he more like watcher

also him knowing Bob's mom is a bit of a fetch because we haven o evidence of this

while I do see the hint of "hate" in "nevermind the mess that the olm were so-"

but as for now we dont see other evidence of him actually hate olms as a whole

and what the purpose of disguise if olms does not need disguise to blend in with humans

Bob's mom does just fine and nobody question her

she just eappear to be outsider and that it

WHile I can see that mantainning the valley require immsensely mastery over magic consider shit going in there

it just the fact there is no actual feat going on to draw information from

[prime sand]

Skibidi toilet

[mortal cave]

No

[digital swan]

Why is it that apparently the Corruption went for Nemract immediately but only raided Old Detlas (which would have been smack-dab in the path, no?) 3/4 of a century afterwards

[warm flicker]

well first, we dont know exactly when Nemract fell. It probably wasnt immediately after the portal opened, maybe a few decades at most. Corruption also can be coordinated, as seen by Bakal, meaning it goes after strategic interests. Ancient Nemract was a big and wealthy city, while Detlas was just a small farming village. Bakal probably prioritized destroying Nemract as it was the strongest city in the immediate vicinity, only then focusing on Detlas and the other settlements once the immediate threat was dealt with

[digital swan]

It's like in the way and has zero protection tho
And even the tiniest village can be fortified to the point of being a strategic interest
Detlas especially as a crossroads
Wouldn't they rather just massacre Detlas in a rush and be at the gates of Nemract within a day, then use it as a central position to launch attacks on Almuj, Nesaak, and Ragni
At the very least it might make a nice artillery park or something

[hybrid gazelle]

It fell by Charon

Because

Reasons

Wynncraft timeline is fucking odd anyway so we should not regard it too much

But Charon is known for certain to cause the fall of ancient Nemract

Consider Wynn at those time are essentially more agricultural

It highly possible the army at that time may not be strong enough to defend the city from undead and even then lack of understanding due to how early it is to the war lead to the city downfall

[digital swan]

I always thought Charon is a powerful undead guy who uses the dead of Nemract to build his army but wasn't actually the commanding officer who took it, maybe a subordinate but either CoW or Bakal was the general in charge

[hybrid gazelle]

Cow never mention to lead any army and I don’t think Bak’al active around thst timr and also

Corruption force are not all under Bak’al

Charon is his own thing

Separate entirely from Bak’al

Corruption force are essentially chaotic mess so there is no singular leader leading them all

[warm flicker]

if Charon was the one in charge of early raids in the region, it would make sense he target a city instead of a settlement - more corpses for his army and all

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak’al just have his own army and thst it

[digital swan]

I mean: Nemract is supposed to be super early on, and Charon is undead, not from the portal
So how could he be a general in charge so early on if he was only just undeaded

[digital swan]

CoW led the first army out of the Portal no?

and Bakal the second

[hybrid gazelle]

No it just a thing

It did not mention to lead anything

Bak’al is second person stepping into portal

Not the second one to lead army

[dim plover]

Isn’t CoW like, explicitly mindless

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes

[dim plover]

How does it lead an army

[hybrid gazelle]

Undead command structure seemingly only just one capable mind and the less being mindless undead

So I don’t thjnk it take that much time to gather a horde

But yeah

Early in in corruption ear

Charon should habe thst much army

So it just

Wynncraft timeline being questionable kind of thing

It kinda hard to take Wynncraft timeline seriously when it fuck up a lot of thing

So I say take jt with grain of salt

[warm flicker]

whole of Charon character lore should be reworked, i dont think its been looked at since the 2010s at least

[hybrid gazelle]

Ct are planning to Ywah

While Charon lore need to be reworked from the ground up

He essentially tbe most misuse character ever

[digital swan]

It can summon Corrupter Spawn no?

[hybrid gazelle]

Corrupter spawn is

Idfk man thrust shit is old

It just bug

Back then corruption is weird

[warm flicker]

back then corruption was just the nether

[hybrid gazelle]

Like back then corruption is random bullshit the writer came up with and then put it in a quest

And never mention again

Like for god sake just look at lava spring quest like

Like wtf happen to corruption being this mega fauna thing

[digital swan]

Yknow what could be nice

[dim plover]

Ok but I don’t see how that’s relevant to what I just said

He can summon corrupt spawn but what about it

[digital swan]

not a real army per se but a horde

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not corrupt spawn literally just bug

wtf is it even

Bro got flea

[dim plover]

(Ok to be fair we did see CoW summon a small army in its cave)

[digital swan]

presumably he could spawn more than bugs but the Twains fucked him over

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not that like

Army of people who gone to the cave to test themselves

I don’t remember

[dim plover]

Nah those 6 are in CoW’s arena

[hybrid gazelle]

Cow is so outfated like man

Such a shame

[dim plover]

We can see their bodies around the room

[hybrid gazelle]

Annie fucking completely obliterate CoW with its aura

Bro is fraud of the world

[dim plover]

Are they supposed to be equals or smth

[hybrid gazelle]

No but like

[dim plover]

What are you on about

[hybrid gazelle]

When you get a name like

Corrupter of world

[digital swan]

I think in the long past it terrorized Wynn with a horde of actual creatures but now that the Twains sealed it in it's gotten weak

[hybrid gazelle]

It kinda have high expectation

Corrupter of worlds

[dim plover]

I mean to be fair it was one of the most difficult bosses back when it was added

New stuff just made the name less worthy

[hybrid gazelle]

It was but it no longer thst

Even then

[dim plover]

I’m sure they’ll update CoW eventually

They’re doing Fruma stuff atm

[hybrid gazelle]

Enduring its stay , it does barely anything in the timeline

cow entirely timeline presence is non existence

And then get shove in some cave and thst it

Thst it entire contribution to the lore

Bro was fraud back then but nobody give a shit because barely anyone contribute in the timeline

[digital swan]

What might be interesting I think ? They could add like a quest or smth where you use Time Valley shit to fight in some of the major battles
Like idk
First some protect thing for defense of Nemract
then a survive thing for escaping Akias
Then some slay thing for Nivla Offensive (maybe a counterattack by Ragni Army)
Then finally battle with Bakal himself, you're in place of Bob?
That way solidify the Corruption War lore and also polish some bits

[hybrid gazelle]

Annie fold the shit out of CoW and make take its lunch

O befause thst would be pointless

Temple of time prevent you from unfocusing tbe timeline

So like

Unless you just want spectacle

You doing all that is pointless

Also I thjnk it fine if some battle left unshown

[digital swan]

I mean you do mess around with the timeline so Temple of Time might be bad at it's job

[hybrid gazelle]

I think it give off lost history morr

It’s 1000 years old war

[digital swan]

then again it's Martyn's fault

[hybrid gazelle]

It make sense for some history to be forever lost and known by no one

[hybrid gazelle]

It not you never mess with timeline

I mean

There time trouble I guess

[digital swan]

All those events are shown in Secret Discoveries what.

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah cause that secret discovery

It’s a secret

It fine

[digital swan]

ok so lock it behind Wynn Plains Monument

you have to already know those secrets to do it then

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh always up for lost history than the lore to tell us everything

Open more interpretation thst way

Also they will mess it up somehow /j

[digital swan]

It would be nice to get some clarity on a few topics though.

[hybrid gazelle]

I don’t thjnk we need clarity of how corruption war during early year went beside some vague description

[digital swan]

I mean not just early war, Those events span at least 70s AP to 886 AP

[hybrid gazelle]

like I said we dont need to know those

description is all we need

beside it give lost history vibe

that always cool

[eternal helm]

anyone else think the new Eye fight is kinda borning and stupid compared to the earlier one

like

new one removed so many attacks and things that kept the old eye engaging and kept u on the tip of ur toes

new one is just

eh

[regal spire]

I felt that, too, but it’s more the fact that the old fight was set up to be more cinematic, with noticeable pauses in between phases, and the music developing between said phases. It still technically does all this, but you won’t ever really notice it

[onyx smelt]

I think in the same way that real life history is not completely accurate and depending on what interpretations of history you focus on, there’s a level of misunderstanding/vagueness you can play with and still hold the illusion of an engaging story

[hybrid gazelle]

I would love more if early part of corruption war was told by some kind of scholar writing and stuff

like more of guess estimate on what going on

rather than literally show you

wynn province could make for interesting setting on the horror of war

what people overlok is that

wynncraft is not just all horror on late game

I think horror of war in Wynn province is pretty overlook aspect

it pretty fucking bad when some player out there geniunely think living in Wynn is fine

when you have to live in medival world(which btw life expectancy in those era is like half of our current lifespan)

force to conscript in most cities

I think people miss a lot on the implication of Wynn province

but that mostly because the game does not really show you

[onyx smelt]

yeah. some kind of overarching lore that has clear implications for what living in Wynn is like and a build off it

I like that

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally most of stuff in wynn is outdated writing

but realistically you would see pile of bodies being burn and stuff

I geniunely surpirse that it been 1000 years and people still allow to bury the dead LOL

that should be illegal

like literally straight up illegal

[onyx smelt]

yeah cuz of the undead problem? it’s all about the vibes

you’ve got to justify the sheer number of enemy mobs on the planet somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynn province is few place where the mobs shown in the game are not purely for gameplay

that just how it is

roaming undead everywhere

shit like goliath can put stop to a caravan and stuff

it been udnermine a lot since players got heavy plot armor

but being average people in Wynn would fucking suck

also imagine conscript into being a soldier and have a chance of your buddy being reanimated during battle

that is like

IDK how people could not fathom how suck that is as experience

[onyx smelt]

yeah. FFXIV made a great story arc out of removing the player’s plot armor and being engaged in certain unwinnavle encounters. It set the tone for the world building that enriched the story so much

[hybrid gazelle]

I think wynn province got done extremely dirty for being early game

cause I think corruption could lead to intresting story

like imagine if one of our companion NPC become corrupted and now we force to fight them

IDK there a lot of way you can do

just too bad wynncraft cant do that cause of how it progression work

[onyx smelt]

yeah the problems lie part in how existing content/progression is handled, doesn’t make sense practically to change things around too much if it’s only lore

but high key

i’d be fine with a bit of a “fresh” story arc that retconned the shiz out of the story to make something deeper

and previous quests be damned like we can fix dialogue later

[hybrid gazelle]

the problem lies the fact that the way quest progress it just impossible to create good story in wynn province

because it just going to be one of those early area LOl

still WISH they utilize corruption in the story more

[digital swan]

I mean. Maybe you Quantum Leap into someone elses life

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[digital swan]

For the issue of plot armor

[onyx smelt]

there is always the “fresh persoective/multiverse/lost memory” write off if that’s what you mean

[digital swan]

Sure killing the player permanently has problems.

Kill someone else!

[onyx smelt]

isekai lore on your player char lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

anyway I geniunly wish corruption get more use in story

IDK maybe charon storyline if he has one

maybe Troms

IDk you could do like

[onyx smelt]

facts they blew their load too early

[hybrid gazelle]

actually troms should be more about slykaar

yeah

I think

Theorick could potentialy use the idea

they protray him as a husk of his former self

I think making Theorick speak kinda ruin the vibe

I think lead up to Theorick fight in the dungeon should be like Gywn from Dark soul
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIeqxGaZnFo

like you fighting a husk of a man

[onyx smelt]

i agree. it would’ve been cool to just see him be more mysterious during the present

[hybrid gazelle]

I think what we should get from Theorick

should be words of mouth from the town people of Nesaak

athat what fate of the fallen should be about rather than you going into temple of time

building up expectation from player belief about THeorick and just make it fall apart when you get to meet husk of Theorick by the end of the dungeon

I think people overlook the horror of corruption where it literally reanimate your body into tools of destruction

it like what happne to those children in Weapons movie

[digital swan]

Ok yeah that's kinda just top 1 underplayed thing in this

[onyx smelt]

a dark souls esque vibe could fit wynncraft very well. Keep it dark and with unwritten answers yet truthful hidden implications

[hybrid gazelle]

Hmm

it difficult because like

Wynn province meant to be more recovering and there are hope for people to overcome corruption by the player come

so it not like dark soul where "everything is shit"

I do say that by the time player come, Wynn province just way better than it was

which probalby explain why player manage to make it out alive

[digital swan]

have you ever considered how just totally fucked up Corrupted Galleon's Graveyard is
You have to kill the reanimated corpses of the people you just helped? Pretty sure at least half of the Wynncraft Player Base would go insane if they actually had to do that in real life

Actually wait I haven't considered that before
Damn maybe Lari was right I should think before machine gunning down everything in sight

eh who cares

[onyx smelt]

definitely a balance to be made here for sure

that reminds me another cool quest mechanic I’d like to see for lore is having more future quest scenarios based off previous quest decisions

[hybrid gazelle]

monumenta has that

but like wynncraft just WAYYYY too late to have stuff like that

[onyx smelt]

yeah like it’d just be cool u know? say before unlocking NotG you are given the choice to stop Lari from killing the grootslang after we are both consumed by killing it yourself, or let her play the cleansing out

which ends up dictating what gear you can buy from the dungeon merchant or something idk

and then there’s a callback in fruma somehow to that decision that was made

[digital swan]

I mean it would be really nice if quests changed the map or smth?

[onyx smelt]

yeah that collection of small consequences based off player decisions that helps shape the variety/depth you can gain from multiple play throughs

classic RPG type story development stuff

[digital swan]

Plus, now the devs can get more money now that you will play the whole game all over again even more!

[onyx smelt]

not too rewarding/punishing, just different. like “Oh yeah I could get that better leveling gear for my playstyle if I chose option A in this quest but since I chose option B I get a different one”

but still can buy the first gear off trade market

[digital swan]

I mean. You have those choices like: Shameful greaves, or greaves of honor?

[onyx smelt]

yep exactly

more of that type shi

[digital swan]

Or something from the squid village, or the amulet from the nesaak fisherman

it's already around the game

[onyx smelt]

but then down the road they’re like “oh yeah you chose shameful greaves instead of greaves of honor so here’s why they all hate/love you …” and you’re like “oh yeah i remember picking that questline, now look at the consequences years later”

I think it’d be cool to enrich that more

[digital swan]

I mean the thing is how will most of the characters ever learn of your decision? Only a few would really know

Like if you go for Shameful Greaves. Only the guy who makes the Golems and the guy who you talked to earlier will know, and for that matter, the guy who you talked to earlier will probably get Golem'd to shut him up

If you go for Greaves of Honor. Maybe people will know, but the general perception of you is that you are a hero already, so the result either way is just the same I think?

[hybrid gazelle]

I really like the war stuff in Wynn so much that I draw concept art of Wynncraft being this recovering apocalypse

[onyx smelt]

well that’s when you have the opportunity to reintroduce old NPCs and it just shapes your dialogue, similar to an undertale playthrough if you’re familiar. You do enough negative actions and word gets around about how big of a piece of doodoo you are, which just changes how other NPCs interact with you if anything else

so one character could have done all the “honorable actions” and in the same quest NPCs have a different tone to your character

[onyx smelt]

that’s hot

[digital swan]

Oh yeah one question I have. Was the Corrupted Warfront set up as an initial line of defense against the portal, which was shredded during the War and only after the Corrupted were pushed back, or was it built after the Corrupted were pushed back to Keep them away from Detlas

[hybrid gazelle]

you mean the broken wall near Detlas

[digital swan]

the broken wall near Detlas yesm

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH that probably more oudated build cause

realistically that sghould be repair or under repair

and not abanoned

because Detlas millitary is right there

[digital swan]

Yeah that seems so weird like Elkurn is rightly worried but Detlas doesn't care but both are right in the danger zone

[prime sand]

Skibidi toilet

[regal spire]

It could’ve been broken recently, in all honesty

There are other parts of the wall that look maintained

Maybe some quests by that wall could help it

[devout sedge]

What NPC is stalker supposed to be?

[exotic bough]

krolton

[devout sedge]

Krolton... from what quest?

[rustic nexus]

beyond the grave

it's the creature that kills you

[devout sedge]

Oh
That makes sense

[vestal rivet]

how did it take me this long to realize rewrite man is trashie

[warm flicker]

took me until yesterday

[raw badge]

By the way, does anyone think that we might've taken a bad choice by following Amerigo's orders in The Mercenary? What if there was a choice to well, team up with Takan and perhaps expose Amerigo in a similar fashion to well - whatever we would do in Purple and Blue or An Iron Heart Pt 2

[hybrid gazelle]

well that would shift the story a lot that it probably why they never give us a choice toc hoose

also Takan was bad choice no matter what anyway

Amerigo is a bad admiral YES

but Takan goal also also generalization

which include admiral Aegis

so like

yeah the guy gotta go

[raw badge]

Agreed

[hybrid gazelle]

also his brother liteally like

also support the bandit so

yeah no he kinda need to die

[raw badge]

Wait, Aegis is Amerigo's brother?

or who is Amerigo's brother?

Nevermind, I guess maybe he did do wrong things for the right reasons and well - that's that

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean Takan's brother

[raw badge]

Alright

Yeah I suppose Takan's death would be justified but Amerigo wanting fame isn't illegal but a bit immoral

[hybrid gazelle]

Amerigo was disliked by Aegis too

so like

broi was just unappealing person

[raw badge]

Got it

Anyway, I suppose I'm not sure about what Fruma could have in store, especially with the possibility of meeting Tasim somewhere, although my headcanon would involve an NPC in Corkus or somewhere, who'd be a bit of a double agent who is able to get into Fruma and well - take the player in as they were found to be doing something wrong, but I dunno

Besides, we don't know what we did to get exiled to Wynn

Maybe we were framed? Tasim did become an accomplice to Aledar by accident, which kinda ruined the two's relationship

Although I'm feeling that Tasim might eventually meet his fate one way or another, but maybe he could avenge Aledar

[hybrid gazelle]

I can assure you

whatever in corkus and Fruma connection

was long ago 200+ years ago

literally like just go to Wynn

wynn and Fruma have more connection with one and another

unless like

there some hint of rebels teaching that still live in the root of Corkus

I highly dbout Fruma will be that intrested in Corkus

consider those rebels are all dead and forgot about their home

also god fucking god I sure hope player characters wont have concrete backstory when Fruma got release

[warm adder]

Oh yeah why is the royal gate for fruma so close to corkus

[digital swan]

They have to add Tasim in the Fruma Update so we learn what Cursed means

Also what say we team up with Corkian revolutionaries who still consider themselves Fruman exiles, bust through that door with some explosives, and start a popular revolution against the Queen :D

Although now that I think about it, we do risk losing our naval and air support, running out of ammunition, and getting crushed by the Fruman army in 3 days, both getting all of us executed and causing a Ragni foreign relations crisis

[acoustic meadow]

That's so real

[hybrid gazelle]

I though itw as clear that curesed mean

[hybrid gazelle]

would they even be consider themlves as corkian revolutionaries

IDK I feel like this plot kindfa bit out there a bit consider we know nothing yet

[elder forge]

this villager has 2 others of himself inside of himself, this has gotta have lore implications

[digital swan]

my lore ideas are ALWAYS out there

[hybrid gazelle]

Consider we need to intact the recruit program

It would be more complicated than just march down and kill the queen

Because we essentially have to restructure the fruma society to strip its dictatorship while not cause it collapse

[silent storm]

He had a stroke leave him alone

[eternal helm]

fruma queen? 🤔

[regal spire]

Ragni King’s wife

She passed before our arrival, and is a zombie within the emerald trail

[cold cove]

Seriously? Where? Or is she some random level one weak zombie.

[eternal helm]

Is this true

[regal spire]

90% sure it’s not, but it’s true to me

Might as well do that, tbh, it’s a perfect concept

[digital swan]

Nah it's the Queen of an unrecognized state that popped up in the middle of the Corruption War
worth jack shit basically

Search up "Zuyev Republic" to see what I mean

[slender copper]

Whoa that's so disturbing-

[hushed comet]

its just a minecraft zombie

[digital swan]

(If you don't want to, basically a partisan-state in Belarus during WWII)

The survivors of one city that was completely overrun made a hidden kingdom in the Nivla Woods to organize a way to save themselves from the Corruption attacks

[acoustic meadow]

It is? I know there's a few enemies referred to as cursed, but they look like they have different things wrong with them. I also haven't completed the story so I don't have all the info

[hybrid gazelle]

The word cursed could mena different thing depending on the context

And cursed in fruma context is certainly clearly use to call people who capable of using magic like Tasim

Aledar literally call Tasim thst after witnessing Tasim magically heal him

[acoustic meadow]

Ohhhhh, I didn't put that together

[hybrid gazelle]

It also known that fruma prevent magical knowledge to the civilian

So like

Yeah

It also literally fit the theme of facism of fruma nu then labeling something seemingly good thing as being magically innate as something awful

Demonizing it

[acoustic meadow]

I feel very dumb bc I knew that as well I just didn't put the pieces together 💔😔

[acoustic meadow]

Yeah. I only started playing Wynn a little over a month ago, but I got very into it. Your depth of understanding of the lore inspires me

[hybrid gazelle]

Damn okay

[eternal helm]

I think cursed is just a word for people who were blessed by the light or something and can use spells that are deemed a threat to the monarchy

[hybrid gazelle]

What?

Dude people could just be magically innate like

That happen in the setting

Why even the light specifically

[eternal helm]

Like basically: you can learn magic, but I think it’s something you could be born with too, and somehow it has to do with the light and since fruma is probably affiliated with the darkness to some extent having any sort of light in their walls is a threat to their power

[hybrid gazelle]

I

[eternal helm]

Just my current head cannon b4 we get fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay thst fine I guess

[eternal helm]

I never said it’s perfect

[hybrid gazelle]

I can see that

[eternal helm]

Why else would magic be outlawed tho?

IMO bc it’s powerful and since fruma seems to be a fascist monarchy having anything that could be a threat to their power they’d want banished, the light part it just thrown in bc lore effect and it could maybe make sense like how orphion got the light obelisk in the silent expanse, and somehow now got magic in fruma

Idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I though we learn of this or at least imply in llevigar’s library

[eternal helm]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma could just outlaw magic to make monarchy appear more powerful and worthy of worship to the common people

[eternal helm]

I feel like that would be too simple tho

Idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think the light is involve because that imply weird thing in the setting

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing wrong with too simple in fact it just make thing look weird because from what we know from wynncraft magic system

Light and dark is its own thing?

[eternal helm]

I mean like

Minus orphion

[hybrid gazelle]

And elemental magic is just normal stuff

Like then you gotta explain how Orphion link to the general magic system of wynncraft

[eternal helm]

Just having ppl know magic would be outlawed bc it could be a threat to the monarchy

[eternal helm]

I mean.. that magic pillar of light in lutho(?)

[clever quartz]

Can we discuss the lore behind radical changes

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah and what about it?

[eternal helm]

That’s magic lol

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah jt magic so as a lot thing in wynncraft

[eternal helm]

and orphion then could probably reach every part of the physical plane then if he could reach rtd

[hybrid gazelle]

Grookwart literally said even bronze and spider silk can craft magical accessories

It just it radiate light influence

To counter balance se environment

Aledar even said thst he feel the same presence as when he was in gavel

It not normal magic

Just because it magical does not mean it relate to every single magic stuff in wynncraft

[eternal helm]

hm maybe

[hybrid gazelle]

We got literally deferent category of magic

[eternal helm]

Ophnanim light orbs 🤔

[hybrid gazelle]

It not maybe it’s just a fact that there different category magic in wynncraft thst seperate from each other

There is elemental magic

There is cosmic magic

There is influences like light, dark, and corruption

[eternal helm]

Btw what abt this ^

[hybrid gazelle]

We learn thst the monarchy outlaw magic to make themselves look like god in the library

Thst been said

[eternal helm]

Yea

but I feel like there has to be some other reason too idk

Like

It makes sense

But idk

[hybrid gazelle]

It currently the current info we have

Anything else you gotta have concrete evidence

[digital swan]

I think Fruma is not necessarily influenced by darkness but just power
You don't need eldritch influence to be totalitarian

[hybrid gazelle]

it definitely loop its way back to war of the realm yeah bt I dont think it will be that apperant

[digital swan]

Honestly if you had the power of magic or something, maybe you can levitate something, or fly, or whatever,
are you telling me you wouldn't be tempted if you had the chance to go to Medieval Europe or something and let's say you can speak the language
to use your powers to pretend you were a higher being and establish a cult and a theocratic empire

[hybrid gazelle]

facist banning "normal" thing as magic is defintiely on the line

it can be that simple but can also be expand into its own thing

[sharp mango]

magic actually oppresses us and will overtake everything! but magic is so weak and inferior to us we dont need it

[cold cove]

Reject magic

Return to HMelee

[hexed nova]

This is true

All fruma enemies are actually melee

And they can one shot you

so just stay away

[vestal rivet]

all the angels we see look to be female right?
any chance skyraiders have angel ancestry?

[regal spire]

This raises a good question about the enemies we’ll encounter throughout Fruma

There’s that small subsection of fire mages outside of fruma, so there might be some brigands or hideaways here and there

How much of Fruma will even be hostile

[vestal rivet]

either we aren't supposed to be there and the guards attack us on sight
or we are but something is driving the people insane
or it's a mythical beast situation like in gavel where a bajilion humanoid creatures want to eat you

[digital swan]

Nah they're all ranged

The people can't use magic, but they can use what the royal house has made with magic

so now all the royal guards have machine crossbows

and they all want to kill you because you didn't stay in Wynn

or maybe because they really hate immigrants

honestly both are equally likely

they can't possibly have perfect records on who they kick out, but maybe the second part kicks in in those situations

Even better, maybe they've convinced the population that Wynnese are animals and so the town populations either tries to kill you or throws scraps of bread at you like you might throw scraps of bread at a pigeon

Why did I start that with even better?

Ok even better if you like combat and nothing else

Much worse otherwise

[hybrid gazelle]

Angel are another thrown away spieces so idk lmao

For me I just completely remake them into spirit rather than living being

[digital swan]

I heard something from a guy down in the Nemract Bar, some sailor from Jofash who said he was a historian of the Sky Islands
He claimed that the Skyraiders descended from a bandit group in the far east of Wynn that got advanced airship technology (for the time) but still never really had the land fighting prowess
And so when their base was attacked by a rival group the survivors just packed up and fled north over the sea
I claimed he had had too much Nemract Whiskey, like every single resident of Jofash

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

where is this lore

[digital swan]

probably untrustworthy
like honestly Jofash is a town of crazy people
The bread guy, the wide-eyed guy, the "clairvoyant" (scam merchant)
So he's probably just making something up

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

[obsidian aurora]

are all mythic lores canon

[strange dew]

Nah

I remember one example is Cataclysm but there's probably more

[regal spire]

Cataclysm could be canon, if they wanted it to be

[dim plover]

Current lore breaks modern canon rules but they can just make the weapon act similarly to TCC powers

Or TNA powers, either one

[regal spire]

I mean, the incomprehensible summons meteors, and that’s just completely unexplained and absurd, so Cata making rifts and portals makes just as much sense

[dim plover]

Incomprehensible?

[regal spire]

Fabled outer void dagger

[dim plover]

Oh

[dim plover]

Nah I’m fine with Cata making rifts and portals

It’s more of the fact that the lore text vaguely implies that Cataclysm was the one that created the Nether Portal

I still want to keep Cataclysm’s rift-ripping properties so it can just be altered to rip holes into the void instead

[regal spire]

That’d be a nice change, but I’m also okay with it being capable of opening rifts into other dimensions

[dim plover]

What do other dimensions mean in this case

[regal spire]

I guess the nether, RoL, and Road

Oh, sorry, Realm of War

[dim plover]

I feel like it makes a lot more sense if Cataclysm serves as a pair of interdimensional scissors rather than an interdimensional teleport scroll

Like, it has the power to punch a hole through our plane of reality but it can’t like, act as a train that somehow directly opens a gate to a specific realm

[regal spire]

Cata cutting into the fabric of reality and tearing paths both within and between dimensions would be really cool, though

Actually, I’m pretty sure that’s how vanish supposedly works, cutting into the fabric of reality and cloaking yourself in it

[dim plover]

Is that even canon anymore

[dense python]

i dont see cataclysm's power as reality bending more like reality shredding

[dim plover]

The ability just says that you slip into the shadows or smth

[dense python]

you're not opening a gate to anything you're just tearing through stuff at such a fundamental degree that it gets annihilated

[dim plover]

I know this sounds funny given what we’re talking about but the ability to tear paths to places that are only accessible by a single hard-to-reach portal sounds really unbelievable

[dense python]

well first of all if you're tearing through the realm with cataclysm how do you even know you're tearing into something else and where

you could just be ripping space apart without connecting to any other space

and even if you did i think it would still require a shit ton of energy to keep such a portal open for even seconds which conveniently ROL provides by well, virtue of the light and ROW provides from the exothermic clash of both light and dark

[dim plover]

Maybe Cata is sentient and acts like the TARDIS

Idk never watched a full episode of Doctor Who is that how it works

[regal spire]

I saw one episode on accident and it was from the 50’s, and it was nonsense

[dim plover]

I’ll watch the entirety of Doctor Who whenever I clear up my backlog of other things I need to watch/ play

But otherwise the stuff I’ve seen from the show have been pretty cool

[small sluice]

i feel like most if not all fruma enemies will either be fauna or royal guards/millitary

[hybrid gazelle]

That could be intresting but I think it more likely that we going to have more various stuff like war machines and other stuff

consider some finding shown that Fruma do use electricity

similar to Corkian

so we might went against imperial war machine which would be awesome

[warm flicker]

not canon but i wanted to show off my rework of Nesaak lore #your_work message

[small sluice]

bro

the reason corkians have electricity is because they invented it

they literally had no idea what to do after leaving fruma, they just went to corkus and settle there

[hybrid gazelle]

ok

I dont see what that has to do with my message

Corkus claim they invent electromagic yes

I think corkians' electromagic have its root all the way to Fruma would explain how corkians could invent advance technology in relatively short year with 200+ years when they settle on the island

the teaser we literally see light flickering

electricity

some also discover some corner of the map that was used in Fruma flashback

that it shown in Fruma there is strange machinery around the tree

so Fruma seems to be capable of making advance machinery

[small sluice]

so then why doesnt wynn have electricity

since all humans originate in fruma

[slender copper]

I'm sorry to break the conversation but... is your profile crippled Aledar-

[warm flicker]

my own theory on this is that most Wynn humans arent directly related to Fruma. They were born in Wynn, their parents and ancestors were born in Wynn, only a small minority relatively speaking actually originate from Fruma. From that small number, it seems most, if not all, were Frumans of lower classes who didnt know magic to begin with. And for those who did, Fruma most likely tried to erase their memory and knowledge of magic. Because the Corkian humans escaped instead of being released by the Fruman government (and maybe because they knew basic industrial magic from working in Fruma's factories), they were able to piece together magic quicker than Wynnic humans were

TLDR: Corkian humans may have avoided getting completely memory-wiped by Fruma, when Wynn humans did not

[warm adder]

lore

[digital swan]

Aren't all the humans in Wynn originally descended from Fruman explorers? Since Fruma is allegedly the homeland of the Humans no?
So they colonized Wynn as Fruma's breadbasket until wartime

[warm flicker]

yeah, all humans in Wynn are either directly from Fruma, or are the descendants of those from Fruma. Presumably, Fruma has been memory-wiping humans traveling to Wynn for literal millennia, because even though humans have been present in Wynn for at least 2400 years, there is still very little outside knowledge on Fruma

[digital swan]

I doubt it. I think that 2400 years ago, the people who migrated eastwards to colonize Wynn were probably pretty poor as you said and were looking for opportunity
2400 years is a long enough time to lose knowledge of history, especially when education is just not really a thing

I think in the far past there was no memory wiping, but the farmers never recorded much because they assumed the Frumans (who they still saw themselves as) would record it in their history books

Then over time they split, and only once wartime hit did A) Wynn residents start recording history with vigour
and B) Fruma send memory-wiped criminals over

[hybrid gazelle]

the difference is we know those who are from Wynn are farmers

lower class

which mean they would not know how electricity work and therefore unable to replicate it when they cross to Wynn province

but for Corkus we know that they are rebel group

they likely have all sort of resources and knowledge with technology

another possible idea is that Fruma discover electricity AFTEr those farmers left

as the farmers left fruma 1000+ years ago

enough time for some technological advance to happen after they left

and corkian ohly come to the island 250 years ago

[hybrid gazelle]

this counter arguement is poorly though because this feel like you use the logic of if a spieces use this technology then that mean every single one of them know how it work

I dont even think most people here even know how to create machine or other kind of complex electronics

despite we all litearlly are human

[random veldt]

wtf is this...

[digital swan]

Or: After the first Fruman explorers in Wynn set up the province, the new leaders followed the Fruman principles of preventing access to magic as they still considered themselves Fruman, then as they split their leaders followed the Fruman model of holding all the magic power to themselves (which pissed off Hashr, apparently), then only recently has magic been explored in Wynn because knowledge of magic was suppressed for >1500 years in Wynn and who knows how many in Fruma
In contrast, the Corkians are separatist and go for magic knowledge immediately now that they can, and so got magic power in under 250 years

[hybrid gazelle]

what you mean by fruman explorer?

[digital swan]

the Frumans who first migrated to Wynn, presumably to colonize it to feed the established cities of Fruma?

[hybrid gazelle]

Those are not explorer

they escaping from Fruma

But yes

the desert kingdom do have eerily similarity with Fruma

[digital swan]

(I assumed Wynn was originally colonized in the fashion of American westward migration and not refugees like Corkus)

[hybrid gazelle]

but they are

they escaping the monarchy of Fruma

the corkians likely have one of the cursed among them

when they first establish in the island

and since we know that magic is something teachable even to those who lack magical innate

it likely that in safety of the island, they likely able to pass down magical knowledge which become general knowledge for Corkian

Though group of cursed also more likely consider they would have more reason to rebel

[digital swan]

Maybe later on Frumans fled to Wynn but like surely the monarchy would have wanted to send people over so that Fruma could be completely urbanized while Wynn could be a breadbasket. There goes my opinion of the Fruman monarchy as somewhat smart

:(

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont know the full story yet

[digital swan]

Actually probably for the better they'd pull a Holodomor

[hybrid gazelle]

again this is tiny bit of history that was 1000+ years ago

and the only source we have is llevigar

which are outsider

Ragni might be Fruma attempt to further its reach into Wynn province

consider how close it is

[digital swan]

What do you think if Fruma had a breadbasket colony would they do a Stalin

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not well verse in real world history

[digital swan]

Basically Ukraine was the main grain producing area of the Soviet Union, and Stalin's first Five Year Plan basically forced everyone to give all their grain to Russia and so 5 million Ukrainians starved to death (also partially weaponized to prevent Ukrainian independence sentiments)

[hybrid gazelle]

I see

[waxen steeple]

ukraine’s flag is literally a wheat field

[austere kiln]

if Light Forest is what happens when the Realm of Light invades the Overworld, and the Silent Expanse is that for Dern… what the hell does Dern look like? Because if we go based on Light Forest’s similarity to the Realm of Light, Dern could very well look nothing like the Silent Expanse

[regal spire]

I like to think it kinda resembles a darker blueshift archipelago

That, or it’s pitch black and you’ll rely on spot lights to travel through it

[dim plover]

If you want a more accurate visual of a Light-infected region then use the Light Forest in the Taproot flashback instead

That one was before the parasite emerged so there’s more infection

[regal spire]

Oh, yeah, finally found this random event in CotL

Anyone got a translation?

[cyan sapphire]

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Dogun_Script

[cyan sapphire]

ARMORY / OF THE CREATION OF SUCH WEAPONRY AND CONSTRUCTS WHICH MAY BE UTILIZED IN OUR PERPETUAL ONGOING CONFLICT WITH FORCES BEYOND OUR CONTROL",

[regal spire]

Man, what a hella script to just be housing a random t3 chest

[drifting aurora]

dogunscript my beloved

[hybrid gazelle]

read my script...

[regal spire]

Find my scripts

[vestal rivet]

that looks cool

[rigid folio]

Just wanted to ask a random question, is there any lore connection or significance between the Twain family and Twain's Arc (the sharpshooter ability)?

Or do they share similar names by coincidence

[regal spire]

Best guess I have is because Mael Twain taught Bob archery

[hybrid gazelle]

None just Mael using bow and that it

Really funny that only Twain reference in archetype is not even in mage class

[bleak torrent]

Whoa when was this added this is sick

Unique fantasy language construction goes hard

[spiral root]

On the topic of Bob's training, where does the shaman fit in the whole thing since the other 4 classes lore wise was done by Bob's teachings or something correct?

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

it jsut not there at all

Bob never taught shaman

tbh it would be redudant anyway because shaman is just another form of magic casting

[drifting aurora]

i mean. Yes, but it's just mael, not the rest of the twains

alot of sharp's kit is ghostly themed

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH Dont think it come off in gameplay wise lOL

wish it feel more like that in game but oh well

[spiral root]

Well, is there any lore explanation on the shaman class?

[torn mulch]

The only thing we have is slykaar in troms

it would be cool if it expanded on it

theres also order of the grook quest which tells us that all shamans get power from killing something to gain power (most shamans use grass or bugssince they can kill alot and not affect much acolyte being the exception since you are using your own life)

[hybrid gazelle]

well It just

somethign you can do

Shamanism is just mtehod of using magic by outsourcing something else rather than your mana

which tbh lead to the fact this source literally can be ANYTHING ELSE that does not have to do with shaman

but beside that

but yeah beside that class and archetype are not really that care about lroe that much anyway

[hybrid gazelle]

In fallen delievery we also learn that this method of magic pretty just outsourcing your magic

tbh order of the grook explain it kinda bad so like

We kinad see Dullahan doing this as well to heal Lari

[spiral root]

Only theory I have is that it's a recently discovered magic skill after Bob's time.

[hybrid gazelle]

it really not because Slykaar exist long before Bob even born

awful dialogue aside

this is what shamanism is

also here one from fallen delievery

[torn mulch]

I think a better theory to explain why bob didnt study shamanism (other than it not being in the game) is if bob is like the player then he has no need to pull from other life in order to get magic (mana) I also think that shamanism might have a sort of feeling of ilk shared by the characters as we had slykaar with his child sacrifices and dullahan's theoretical shamanism might have led to the villagers believing him to be the source of decay.

I really hope that shamanism is explored a little bit more in fruma since its so limited and I think that each archtype seems to indicate a sort of seperate cult or religion similar to the different warrior archtypes