new lore drop
#šlore_discussion
hybrid gazelle
eternal helm
new lore drop
WHERE
hybrid gazelle
llevigar's secrect library
you have to talk to the archivist
I literally feel like wynnex related stuff is so outdated
eternal helm
huh
hybrid gazelle
that I highly dbout they going to be use for a while
eternal helm
time to go back
i think they might update in fruma idk
bc fruma is darkness
wynnex has the eye
etc
hybrid gazelle
I dont htink 90% of Wynnex matter anymore
Fruma being darkenss rn we dont really havem uch evidence
cause we know that place that suppose to parrarel to dark in ROL 4 is Se
eternal helm
I dont htink 90% of Wynnex matter anymore
the only part in wynnex is just "4 crystals, op if put together"
hybrid gazelle
yeah pretyt much like
that shit just do not matter
it only product of its time
which is old
srly the crystal lore just so
nothing causel iek they barely even explain wtf it do beside giving power
eternal helm
Fruma being darkenss rn we dont really havem uch evidence
fair but orphion also was like
she needs to be snuffed out
not sure who she is
but
idk
hybrid gazelle
that rn we dont know but it liekly to be fruma queen so whatever
Orphion speak bullshit anyway
eternal helm
lol
hybrid gazelle
like what you expect literal god who ghost his followers and shoot himself in the foot for no reaosn
to be reliable source?
hybrid gazelle
For a god of light, he sure aint bright
eternal helm
it made 3 of the 4 brothers go insane and hyper fixate, made villagers into gerts
i bet if harnessed
it could make someone hyperfixate on what you want
and lose your memory like those above
lose memory -> hyperfixate on wynn war and helping people
which is why we dont have many dialogue options to say "no" to weird stuff
we just
do it
bc we got brainwashed to do that
hybrid gazelle
I mean yeah sure if you put it like that
but like
literally ferts existence kinda make the meteor lore kinda stupid
and even then the obessession is not that obessessive?
it literally more like implanting false memory later than hyperfixation
IDK
I think this is kinda weak because like
it barely even brainwash because even some people in Ekurn does not really do much beside just living their life
I mostly skeptical because like meteor lore just
stupid
so it kinda hard to see if this is intentional or not
eternal helm
Fair
But like
I feel like with what Iāve said thereās enough evidence that you could say that like
Wynn lore timeline etc is fked
But it may be true
Especially just
hybrid gazelle
Yeah if and even then it only work jt was fix in your favor
Because like
If it was fix and the timeline still like
The brother gone insane 1-2 years before fruma border open then Ywah it still fucked
eternal helm
Mid-evil Scientist goes to fruma with knowledge of cosmic powers, Fruma send people with no memoriesā¦ linked? Maybe. Seems possible
eternal helm
Wdym xd
hybrid gazelle
Even if the timeline is āfixedā
eternal helm
actually
hybrid gazelle
I highly doubt it would in favor of the theory
eternal helm
How would sohso GET to fruma? He wouldāve had to been invited or smtn? No?
He couldāve been in contact sent a crystal over
Then left to go later
hybrid gazelle
Habe you ever illegal cross a border
eternal helm
Yes but like
Or like
No
But I donāt think sohso did that
Bc like
Why would he?
hybrid gazelle
Yeah sure whatever
eternal helm
Thereās more of a reason for him to be invited rather than like sneaking over
idk
hybrid gazelle
What is the reason
Would he even be that popular for fruma to acknowledge him?
We never even publicly heard about the 4 brothers in gavel at all
So why would fruma know about him
Actually now that I remember it
The fact that the event that brothers gone insane is 950 ap
That mean the 4 brothers are 50+ years old
hybrid gazelle
Yeah because of wynncraft shitty timeline and I guess you could explain magic bullshit that the Twain has
But my point is that
If they were to fix the timeline
They likely moving the brothers going crazy time point closer to 1000 AP
Which then kinda like fuck over your theory a bit
hybrid gazelle
Idk man probably some random shit writer came up at the moment to tease fruma or whatever
Like some of his brother like
Go to Wynn for some reason
And some of them on an island
I though think the place they even pick sounded
Like who the fuck move to Wynn willingly
eternal helm
idk
im not saying my theory is flawless
but with wynn timelines being dumb
i think theres a chance
hybrid gazelle
Yeah but like they dead set on 900 AP for fruma border opening
And I dont thjnk they going with the idea the brother being 100+ years old
So
eternal helm
you see
hybrid gazelle
Idkkkk
eternal helm
the year is actually only 950 AP
xd
jk
am i being crazed by the meteors or didnt the meteors have some type of anti-aging thing
i swear the gerts said smtn like
that
they lived longer
idk
hybrid gazelle
At this point you might as well say everything in Wynn got anti aging
hybrid gazelle
Wynncraft timeline facisnate me so much
Because
There is no way someone could be tjis clueless bout how time and life spans work
It hard to not be mean about it cause like
God
Are you even living in real world
I already have body pain as 20+ years old
hybrid gazelle
And you mf wrote people living up to 100+ years
hybrid gazelle
Itās secrets discovery
hybrid gazelle
Wynncraft just so sad the fact that kike
It obvious that the writers who in charge of it during its conception
Does not really understand how real world work and thought they could get away with it being fantasy
You canāt really make a world without blueprint or foundation
Which is the real world itself
So now wynncraft struggle with fundamentals stuff such as time, economy, and more
eternal helm
yea fair
tbh
they need a lore rework update
but that isnt endgame content and will make ppl mad
hybrid gazelle
I mean
I will be real
Even those who say they care about lore did really bad job showing they care about lore
So it like 2% at max
hybrid gazelle
The most wynncraft artist we have rn canāt even get the fundemental part of wynncraft lore and I thjnk that just so funny
eternal helm
90% of players are shift holders and speed to endgame
6-7% are people who like the lore but dont read into it
3-4% are people like u and me who theorize and thoroughly enjoy the lore
eternal helm
The most wynncraft artist we have rn canāt even get the fundemental part of wynn...
wdym?
onyx smelt
i like some of the lore but initially there seemed to be too many confusing and contradicting elements in the storyline to want to really get into it more
hybrid gazelle
Yah definitely
Hard to get into
Too bad we get 0 fucking video covering it and those that ādoā are recapping wiki word by word
onyx smelt
each questline has certain past elements it draws upon which seem isolated/disconnected from other quests
yeah
summer tangle
wynnlore....
hybrid gazelle
Oh hey hmtn
summer tangle
it's very fantasy vibes-based
hybrid gazelle
Wait hmtn
onyx smelt
yeah not necessarily a bad thing, cool concepts here and there but itād be nice to see a revamp that connects more things together
hybrid gazelle
Have you seen my rol rrwrite
summer tangle
I echo the note that it doesn't seem like it's been thought of from the baseline
summer tangle
Have you seen my rol rrwrite
I know where it is I just need to get around to reading it
summer tangle
I should...... Especially since I'm allegedly working in parallel to what you've done
hybrid gazelle
What since when lmao
summer tangle
Leaving my savaging CT mode I have the opposite problem when it comes to world building, in that I focus on the mechanics way too much and sort of neglect the fantasy
summer tangle
What since when lmao
I've Been Trying, at least, w my work on Sellan Gavel
Though that worldbuilding is decidedly secondary to my main thing (conlanging)
onyx smelt
Leaving my savaging CT mode I have the opposite problem when it comes to world b...
lol not necessarily a bad thing either
hybrid gazelle
Magic system definitely need more streamlining
summer tangle
Since the first exists to support the second Ive been taking a Lot of notes from your frankly much more extensive work there
hybrid gazelle
Leaving my savaging CT mode I have the opposite problem when it comes to world b...
Yeah definitely my problem as well
Trying to work on it
Need little whimsy and stuff
The thing about wynncraft is thst
I have to keep in mind that itās a cartoony setting
It not all cartoony
summer tangle
Just. Mostly
hybrid gazelle
But there definitely a bit of cartoony factor
It at least allow thing to be more flexible
summer tangle
There was a time where in my raw arrogance I thought I knew more about Wynn lore than almost anyone else alive. Obv I've been sequestered in a cave and have failed to keep up with anything since 2023 so that definitely isnt true anymore
If it ever was
hybrid gazelle
There was a time where in my raw arrogance I thought I knew more about Wynn lore...
This except I actually know more about Wynn lore
hybrid gazelle
Fr fr
summer tangle
Dern history? Mmm
hybrid gazelle
I am wynncraft number 1 lore fan and also itās biggest slander
summer tangle
It's always been Weird that the library has a book on that, even if it's been torn away from
Do we know who did that? Why would Bob do that
hybrid gazelle
Never like the idea of Dern being known
But oh well
If that what wynncraft wanted
strong ravine
<@691456148540227614>
ME!
onyx smelt
From a practical perspective Iād like to see a method where the writers create a new and more structured storyline in the next updates, even if it means retconning certain things as irrelevant
summer tangle
It's a ~ teaser ~
hybrid gazelle
From a practical perspective Iād like to see a method where the writers create a...
I think that what they plan yeah
They try to work with the hand they dealt
Which is all fucking suck because again old lore
summer tangle
So so much overhead
hybrid gazelle
So far wynncraft seems doing good
eternal helm
new lore drop
i cant find the npc :c
hybrid gazelle
Pretty decent
summer tangle
yeah lot needed to be tossed ur right
hybrid gazelle
i cant find the npc :c
You have to do farcof discovery
summer tangle
still sad about emeralds losing their eldritch touch though
onyx smelt
Iām fine with having a mental disconnect, some of the quests are just silly and fun to think about anyways
eternal helm
yeah lot needed to be tossed ur right
tbh some lore i like not fully being part of the main story bc its just world building things can branch off and lead nowhere but like
idk
summer tangle
there's a balance to be struck there
onyx smelt
and not worth removing/reworking
summer tangle
Cause if you don't have enough weird disconnected stuff like that then the world feels tiny
hybrid gazelle
Yep
summer tangle
Ultimately worldbuilding is an illusion and a very expensive one at that. Specially in an mmo
hybrid gazelle
Thetr balance but wynncraft not doing great job
summer tangle
ct does not seem to understand this
candid fox
Cause if you don't have enough weird disconnected stuff like that then the world...
why there should be more aledar content
hi mrbeast
onyx smelt
yeah gameplay loop shouldnāt be sacrificed too heavily for a coherent storyline
hybrid gazelle
Thetr 100% more Aledar stuff
eternal helm
You have to do farcof discovery
where do i find the npc š
summer tangle
Hi Madeline deusphage Wynn craft. Am being a hater as usual
summer tangle
O_o
eternal helm
trashhhhiieeee
summer tangle
Damn hello Madeline Moderator Wynn Craft. I've got mods to learn it seems
eternal helm
where tf is this villager
hybrid gazelle
You can have to do beyond tbe cloud or whatever discovery
summer tangle
you gotta do another secret discovery in the sky islands
hybrid gazelle
Get the book from farcor
eternal helm
where do i find the npc š
,,
hybrid gazelle
And come back
eternal helm
Get the book from farcor
cant you like
not get that anymore
also can i get a second,,,
summer tangle
????
hybrid gazelle
Huh
summer tangle
what is going on
hybrid gazelle
You lost it?
summer tangle
From the quest yeah but you can still get it from the SD I thought
eternal helm
huh
kind lily
wynncraft took a wynncrap
summer tangle
rip server
summer tangle
The dialogue is on wiki if that's all you wanted
summer tangle
But aye oof sorry bout that
eternal helm
more fun
I have a Wealth Or Knowledge but thats from the quest
not from the secret discovery
hybrid gazelle
Maybe try to bring yhat to the library
eternal helm
do we think i can do the secret discovery again for it?
hybrid gazelle
Idk
summer tangle
going over the dialogue again I see that the republic is Very Intentionally hush hush about dark magic ig. that's very new information to me
summer tangle
not "uninformationed" level hush hush but at the least "we don't appreciate you digging into the decay" hush hush
summer tangle
my takeaway was literally Dark
hybrid gazelle
That dumb
eternal helm
dark as in timmy caratats spoon
summer tangle
library outright states that gavel knows what's up with Dern on some level
Which yeah is stupid
But tbf the elves and the guardian of the forest are Right There
summer tangle
So at least it's only stupid on a doylist level and not a watsonian one
hybrid gazelle
wtf with some people just randomly know shit
I wish it work like that irl š
Would be funny if Dern beast is like wyrm from WoD where it cause the villages to be capitalistic to brought apocalypse into the world
summer tangle
Random Wynnic soldier got pulse'd up and a primer on all this inside a few weeks. It would be absolutely insane if none of this information ever managed to leak out into the continent that Orphion actively interacts with
It'd require at minimum elvish conspiracy to keep it from leaking too bad, so in that light Sellan governmental pressure keeping it obscure is entirely plausible
hybrid gazelle
It'd require at minimum elvish conspiracy to keep it from leaking too bad, so in...
How is Dern known enough to habe a public library section dedicated to it
But nobody know that golems habe villager stuff inside
Like fucking hello?
Am I insane???
summer tangle
"Don't you dare connect the inexplicable decay to all this light/dark stuff that the elves are always on about. We do not want to deal with the elves rn."
hybrid gazelle
Surely a dead body inside a large machine would be easier to discovery than other reality
boreal spade
Idk man I don't open up golems much
summer tangle
But nobody know that golems habe villager stuff inside
Lmao the orcs know about it
boreal spade
But other reality's? Everyday
hybrid gazelle
Even the orcs know
Even the corkian know
Like
Wynncraft is the world of fucking insane befause like
summer tangle
It's p obvious there that it's common knowledge outside of Sellans specifically
hybrid gazelle
wtf is this
summer tangle
And ig humans as well
hybrid gazelle
It's p obvious there that it's common knowledge outside of Sellans specifically
Notch using his one final power to manipulate the ct to make villager dumb as hell to fulfill his vision
summer tangle
Wynncraft is the world of fucking insane befause like
Lol you talk to Americans constantly is this really that unbelievable
summer tangle
Most of us do not know where the island of Java is
hybrid gazelle
I still canāt fucking believe there someone out there willingly try to justify that golems lore made sense
Like I swear to god
shut hornet
before even that, the corkians lost their memories
hybrid gazelle
Oh yeah thst too
Tbh I thouhh corkian escape around thst time
But nvm
Oh yeah 850 AP
summer tangle
I still canāt fucking believe there someone out there willingly try to justify t...
Golems are a pretty transparent political commentary. If they're not believable then this is cause we're holding fiction to a higher standard than reality
.... On one hand, we probably should. On the other hand. Reality.
hybrid gazelle
It so weird because golems could literally be so cool
Becuase like
They literally never regard at anything substantial just
Background shit
And it such
Weird thing befause like
Hello??? Itās fucking giant mech
summer tangle
the entire gavellian military industrial complex could be cool
There's so so much background magitech that's explicitly being churned out to support the corruption war effort
summer tangle
There's the question of what that looks like when it interfaces with native Wynnic weapons and tech
hybrid gazelle
How the fuck wynncraft decide thst golems should not be a big set piece in anything but apparently Yahya is
summer tangle
And Corkus.... There's so much potential
summer tangle
How the fuck wynncraft decide thst golems should not be a big set piece in anyth...
tbf meteor lore is very cool
and fairly foundational to the setting
hybrid gazelle
There's so so much background magitech that's explicitly being churned out to su...
Let me write golem lore pleaseee
hybrid gazelle
tbf meteor lore is very cool
I found it to be like very confusing and lack of any direction
summer tangle
It's a section of wynnlore that's been handled decently well (<== the highest praise I will ever give out)
eternal helm
And *Corkus....* There's so much potential
Wynncraft 2.2: Corkus Reborn update? š„ŗ (someone said Corkus Rebooted would be a cooler name)
hybrid gazelle
Wait
Which specific are we talking about
Cause we got shit like Gerts Whcih is
Nothing burger spieces
Like which crystal are we talking about
summer tangle
It's clear that there's Some Kind of entity or group or force of extreme power hurling meteors at the planet to prevent people from mucking about with the planes of influence
hybrid gazelle
Ok yeah yeah that sure is interesting
summer tangle
The Gerts are a small piece of it but they're very obviously an attempt to destroy Sellan civilization via all-consuming cannibalistic hunger
Or at the least massively cripple it
hybrid gazelle
Make a person insanely hyper fixate on certain things
Then why are all gerts hungry like???
summer tangle
You need to walk near the enchanting table in the SD while holding it, says wiki
hybrid gazelle
Do everyone who got turn into gerts just have similar brain?
Like hello??
It so sad because it prevent from like
It could make gert intresting
Too bad we not habe that
summer tangle
Hm? Has the lore changed? Cosmic magic seems to mainly be a brain damage machine
hybrid gazelle
Yeah idk man I think thst kinda ass
summer tangle
It absolutely causes destructive anti-social obsession though ur right
This is all in keeping with the meteors as a versatile tool for bombing gavel back into the stone age whenever necessary
hybrid gazelle
Does it really send gavel back to Stone Age?
Idk it just so odd that gerts pretty much same thing
While 4 brothers are remain individualistic
summer tangle
There are effectively zero (0) records of Sellan civilization prior to around 1400 BP
summer tangle
Yeah Bob hit up that library for Dern information
He then fantastic voyaged on over there and has been missing ever since
hybrid gazelle
There are effectively zero (0) records of Sellan civilization prior to around 14...
Tbh I feel like sellans just assimilate
Wait
Habe you heard of giant homebrew
shut hornet
why are we calling them sellans? theyre villagers
hybrid gazelle
Because hmtn like to call them that way
summer tangle
I point at trashie who Came up with the name
I'm using it cause I think it's near
Neat
Yea
hybrid gazelle
Also btw villaher is shit fucking name
summer tangle
Also that
hybrid gazelle
That like calling human, cityfolks as spieces name
Like no that dumb fucking name
summer tangle
I wrote a whole bunch of paragraphs that were essentially justification for why a civ would name itself that
shut hornet
i do wish we didnt deeply ingrain something from vanilla minecraft into the lore
summer tangle
I'm using it in this convo specifically cause Trashie would know what I'm on about
hybrid gazelle
By just keep using sellans
shut hornet
what about lurkers who might want to join in
theyd have no idea what youre talking about
what the hell is a sellan
shut hornet
what the hellan is a sell
shut hornet
Asgore
summer tangle
sƩll is a very very broad word in my conlang version of high gavellian
hybrid gazelle
You talking to a guy
That name his fallen oc
As Vallen
Or Paladin oc as
Mantelos
And his half sellan and half human oc as
Helfen
shut hornet
my strat for this genre of naming is to try to find more obscure synonyms for such words
summer tangle
Sellan is in my very specific usage an English translation of SĆ©llqajes
shut hornet
and then see if i can work them into something that sounds like a name
but generally when i name things for wynn i name them after ct contributors
shut hornet
for example the great bridge npc is called Galippe after glitched pixel who made the bridge boss
summer tangle
Mmm 5th age meteor bombardment completely destroyed their civ. They had to start again from near scratch. It was violent enough that the climax impact created lake gylia
hybrid gazelle
Gerts in my take are more flexible
Because instead of exclusively in gert camp
They become part of sellans working forces as mercenary or workers after the Gergen War
Cause I think it really funny that sellans just turn their old enemy into their capitalistic society
Like screw you, you are now lower class
summer tangle
keep in mind that the wynncraft map is shrunken down for gameplay purposes. the gylia impact crater is the size of an inland sea & has a splashback mountain in the centre
I wouldn't be surprised if that thing made the mantle splash up
summer tangle
They become part of sellans working forces as mercenary or workers after the Ger...
That's very neat and squares nicely with the general imperialist sentiment of sellan gavel
hybrid gazelle
Wait do we know when remikas start his expansion
summer tangle
I did a whole bunch of math for this one second
hybrid gazelle
That's very neat and squares nicely with the general imperialist sentiment of se...
Though when human appear
They kinda like
Gerts kinda phase out and many send back to camp
So now they having riot
There still gert mercenaries but like yeah they just put out of a job since sellans like humans better
summer tangle
Ok I have Remikas' unification dated to 524 BP on my timeline
Or the much neater 6A1 on the original native calendar
hybrid gazelle
Okay so to explain
summer tangle
I have it at 524 BP cause I needed a concrete timeline and that year plays nice with the wars of the cousins
hybrid gazelle
Giant are the fist sapience to ever walk the world
This is like
When the world was primordial
Like at its infancy
summer tangle
Realistically "the latter years of the 500s BP" is probably the best we can do
hybrid gazelle
They soon would become responsible for sealing the doguns and building Goliath and later colossus
They are the meddler thst the elder dogun talking about
summer tangle
š
hybrid gazelle
However the light would come to Gavel
hybrid gazelle
And the giant attmept to fight them off with their stone construct
Tho the light would nearly wipe them all out
All that left is the ruins they left behind and so as the colossus thst stand ready to disconnect part of gavel in case the light try to overtake the world
And the doguns language thst they use were basically giantās programming language
summer tangle
??? Wait. the Doguns, if they're artificial, were created by the rune civ for the purpose of maintaining the colossi
This is subtext but it's like 3cm below the surface
hybrid gazelle
Tbh my take I just have dogun created by garaheth lol
Since I pretty sure they capable of producing offspring
summer tangle
That or garaheth was enlisted by the rune civ & he made the doguns
As the doguns themselves say
It makes little sense for the meddlers sealing the doguns away to be the ones who built gavels Defense-Against-Influence system
Goes against their interests
The meddlers need to be people who were interested in seeing Influence extend further into gavel. That or convenient tools used for this purpose (see the dwarves)
hybrid gazelle
It makes little sense for the meddlers sealing the doguns away to be the ones wh...
Tbh I donāt think they seal doguns away
Wait let me find my lore summary
summer tangle
-# this is why I assume it's the elves for now. they have motive. but that accusation is super weak so
-# we'll see ig
summer tangle
Tbh I donāt think they seal doguns away
oh sorry not the doguns. Garaheth
hybrid gazelle
summer tangle
I'm firmly in the "Garaheth is a good or at least neutral creature" camp
Vis a vis the interests of ppl living in Gavel
Garaheth / the Doguns / The Goliaths / The Colossi are all seemingly working as one huge system
I wrote a big old theory about this some time back, it's on the forums
Most of it is still valid afaik
The Rune Civ is also very canon they do much of the stuff your homebrew giants do
When I say your deep lore conflicts with mine I mean that I fully believe that the rune civilization's main descendants are the Sellans in modern Gavel
Having suffered constant catastrophic collapses on account of whoever's sending the meteors, slowly eroding away at their knowledge and power
hybrid gazelle
Hmmm
hybrid gazelle
When I say your deep lore conflicts with mine I mean that I fully believe that t...
Yeah I once think of this too lol
summer tangle
Support: the lad has a villager nose
hybrid gazelle
Also btw god this is late
summer tangle
As far as I recall
hybrid gazelle
I have to go now bye
shut hornet
hmtn have you seen https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Dogun_Script yet
this is fairly new so you probably missed it
summer tangle
Aye
I'm gonna steal it for dwarvish and the ahms substrate
I'm so happy that I finally have a real writing system to work with. Playing with the Latin cipher in HG was fun, but sometimes you just gotta do some neography
It's still very coded to English, so I'll definitely be adapting it a fair bit, but it's very neat system
My offer to be salted's language creature david j peterson style is still on the table. The stages of Gavellian that I wanted to deal with are done and have been for a while, so I'm currently focusing on the CotL and the various languages there
Once I've done that I plan to swing back west and do a V2 of the situation w the aurayin. My current iteration of Orcish gets the job done but I've gotten way better at making languages over the course of the last couple years
Oh massive ups to the carved orthoaesthetic btw it looks really nice. do please pass on compliments to the creator(s)
... I am also putting the armory text into my gavelcage evidence folder
quartz mist
Even the orcs know
orcs only know cause they destroyed them in battle, and they don't really know the whole process- just that there are bodies stuffed inside the machines
hybrid gazelle
Yah and that one up for them compare to villagers who likely would see the same golem being destroy
See them being damage
see them literally doing anything
I refuse to believe there are no villager farmer out there did not see meat coming out of their damages golem or destroyed one
That like impossible
Like you telling me some poor village soldier did not see anything spew out when a golem got fucking blow up in frontline
Like fuck there probably some curious villaher brought golem and look inside them or something
Consider there literally nothing stopping them
Golems being able to be privately owned make them literally unable to keep track of by the company
Consider they have 0 effort in attempting to with hold and protect their secrect beyond just their factory
Golems being secrect just kinda shit and make urelix look like an idiot who only succeed because of luck than being actually smart
Literally Urelix succeed beccause his own spieces average intellect is lower than room temperature
hallow kernel
me when the orcs destory my golem like a pinata (the stuffing was gore. why is there gore in my golem)
hybrid gazelle
Yeha like no fucking way thst only orc see it lol
That like saying only the enemy see what inside of the tank is
warm flicker
(THE GOLEMS ARE PEOPLE THE GOLEMS ARE PEOPLE)
hybrid gazelle
That why I made golemeer because at least thetr group of people gaslighting other about it
And also golem inside in my take is more organize and believable ad machine components
like IDK man litearlly nothing made sense about golems lore and it not even wacky cartoon way
some part of it just so overly edgy that make it look too silly to take it seriously
cause wtf you mean olux population is enough to make golems to cover the entire world like get fucking real
unless you make villager breed like rabbit I highly doubt that people from Olux can even produce golems enough to cover settlements in gavel
and outside of Iron Heart, they just treat like nothing beside some few interaciotn that is so fucking rare
like IDK man feel like golems should be treat more like center piece when shit get real later some normal shit
like yeah before the retcon tunnel trouble just straight up throw golem at you
small sluice
and the new one
the fortuneteller ā¤ļøāš©¹
dry sage
can sm1 dm me with the ENTIRE lore of wynncraft with ALL details? Id be glad to read them
hybrid gazelle
I dont think there such thing as that LMAO
At that point literally just go read scattered stuff yourself because so far there is no such thing as that
I mean I kinda working on it but that like gonna take a lot of work
ENTIRE lore fit with every detail gona look awful and unorganize
summary exist for a reason
like are you expecting someone to write Gavel and Wynn history along side next to each other in understandable for mat like no get real LOL
summer tangle
can sm1 dm me with the ENTIRE lore of wynncraft with ALL details? Id be glad to ...
Oof yeah it's a lot
You're gonna want to focus on specific topics
summer tangle
A non-exhaustive list I just came up with off the top of my head includes:
- Influence. Light/Dark and the corruption they make. The main thing, basically
- Wynn's history. The war, the twains, the stuff going on in the desert, Bak'al and Bob's fun little beef
- the Olm, who get some information in Dernel and a Lot More in the silent expanse. They're not all dead!
- the void, which is strongly related to the light/dark thing, most obviously in the blueshift archipelago & the void holes
- Bob lore is solved for now. We have a timeline on the guy. He trained under Mael and maybe some other folks (idk that they're still canon), did a bunch of heroing, saved Ragni from Bak'al, learned more about Dern, faked his death before or after doing a huge research binge in Gavel, and then went off to "seal" the Dern Beast by way of fantastic voyage
hybrid gazelle
gotta figure out this shit
hybrid gazelle
Gavel got like
summer tangle
Corkus is insane and fun
hybrid gazelle
a lot of stuff going on but also not al ot of stuff going on
summer tangle
Fruma we just don't have enough information
summer tangle
Wynn's timeline is too long for the canon we've got but too short for a lot of the stuff I would have liked to do with my fan timeline
hybrid gazelle
decision to change the lore from 100 years to 1000 years was such awful decision
summer tangle
1400 BP to 1000 AP is 2401 years (this is why there isn't a year 0 irl) which is honestly rather compressed compared to, say, human civilization
summer tangle
decision to change the lore from 100 years to 1000 years was such awful decision
Oh no this was good
I agree with the 10x expansion
The century and decade was just too much happening too quickly
hybrid gazelle
I am fine if it less than 10x
but 10x we got shit like
Dogun war going on for 200 years
Bak'al doing literally nothing
humans character live more than 60+ for some reason
summer tangle
Industrialisation hasn't even hit yet history takes a while
In Utter Fairness. A preindustrial genocidal war taking 200 years is entirely believable
hybrid gazelle
the 4 brothers for some reason are 50+ years old and still kicking
summer tangle
The Greeks and Persians fought each other for literal centuries
hybrid gazelle
they literally should be dead or dying
hybrid gazelle
In Utter Fairness. A preindustrial genocidal war taking 200 years is entirely be...
this is like over a region and like
summer tangle
The mongol conquests also took nearly 200 years
hybrid gazelle
what could have been taking that long LOL
okay but that literally like
probably bigger than the entire Molten Height
summer tangle
Punic Wars and the Hundred Years' war also took a bit over a century each
And only arguably the first one was genocidal
hybrid gazelle
Also BTW
like BTW
it said here that in 100 AP
the year that war started
the dwarves already enslave ice dragon and destroy a dogun town
which is like that DEEP in Molten Height
summer tangle
Aight fair
The timeline is theoretically defensible but the actual events are less so
hybrid gazelle
and it take 200 YEARS
for dwarves to reach capital for some reason
which is not that far from Freezing height from what I remember?
like compare to like
reaching one end of a region to another
summer tangle
If this was a series of 3-4 wars of expansion and domination that'd make a lot more sense
hybrid gazelle
it would be
summer tangle
With periods where the Dwarves and Doguns had armstices going
hybrid gazelle
if it mutiple invasion, I can understand
summer tangle
Taking a bit more each time
onyx smelt
i'd like to think that the original writer(s) who made these quests come to read this channel for entertainment lmao
hybrid gazelle
but it does not realy say as that
the way the story feel like it want to say this is entire one war LOL
oh nah they dont
summer tangle
Alas. This would require the CT to have a unified timeline overseen by someone who has historical knowledge and context
summer tangle
I cannot emphasize enough how much worldbuilding requires a coherent idea of who is where doing what at what time
onyx smelt
i'd imagine myself being like "aww shi I didn't really think of that"
summer tangle
Even if just a general one
hybrid gazelle
like surely human living up to 100+ years are not that common
hybrid gazelle
I cannot emphasize enough how much worldbuilding requires a coherent idea of who...
I mean I guess your point
summer tangle
Cause otherwise you get weird inconsistencies like this
hybrid gazelle
but some of these just feel like
summer tangle
"just use common sense" is how we got into this problem in the first place
hybrid gazelle
oversimplified yeah but like
summer tangle
Common sense ain't enough. You need some more rigour than that
hybrid gazelle
god some of these stuff in wynncraft lore just fso weird like
onyx smelt
yeah the level of effort and attention to detail to truly create a solid/coherent story shouldn't be underestimated
hybrid gazelle
wtf you mean by 2 provinces using the same currency
like bro
my brotheri n chirst
we human irl
dont even use same currency
summer tangle
The real killer is that the amount of effort required is way too high for anyone - or even any team - to manage
The trick of worldbuilding is creating a reasonable & large seeming world despite neither of those things being true
hybrid gazelle
TBH I feel like most of these stuff literally just happen because back then they were thinking they just making "fantasy" setting and nothing more
summer tangle
You've gotta actively be maintaining the illusion. CT is going along with neat ideas because they seem neat. This is the core issue of Wynn's lore writing (....and mechanical game design, but we're in the lore channel)
dry sage
You're gonna want to focus on specific topics
Gime the whole thing
onyx smelt
and i think it's probably true that once you add something to canon without the clearest of intentions, it's doubly hard to now work around and deal with it
dry sage
from start to end
summer tangle
Gime the whole thing
utterly impossible. there's a lot of random lore and if you check this convo you'll see that it's not all coherent
onyx smelt
"doubly" being just an estimation
summer tangle
Also there's a lot of fundamental setting questions that haven't been answered atp
Up in the air
hybrid gazelle
yeah]
dry sage
utterly impossible. there's a lot of random lore and if you check this convo you...
gmmgmhhmymhmhmhhmhmhmhmhm
hybrid gazelle
wynncraft lore also mix of outdated information too
summer tangle
SCP-ass lore
hybrid gazelle
so we cant really tell the full story because some part of it simply outdated
summer tangle
There Is No Canon
onyx smelt
SCP-ass lore
hahaha yeah
hybrid gazelle
SCP have execuse because it's public domain like sure
I mean wynncraft KINDa but like
summer tangle
is there a timeline
There are good guesses
hybrid gazelle
whatever
summer tangle
But they're just guesses
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The current year is 1000 AP
dry sage
The current year is 1000 AP
AP?
summer tangle
Villagers first came to Wynn c. 900 AP
hybrid gazelle
I recomemnd you
to play the game first
I can assure you
cause like
I pretty sure AP was establish at some point in the game
summer tangle
the villagers overthrew their imperial government in a Republican revolution c. 850 AP
Shortly after, Gavel started being wracked by decay
dry sage
I pretty sure AP was establish at some point in the game
Whats AP
hybrid gazelle
After Portal
summer tangle
1000 years ago, some people did an oopsie and tore apart the fabric of reality
hybrid gazelle
It like BC and AC
summer tangle
This made a lot of people very mad and has widely been regarded as a bad move
hybrid gazelle
to be fair they cant be mad if they did not know that happen
summer tangle
The last 1000 years in universe have been "dealing with the consequences"
dry sage
Thats not an accident, thats a planned systematic mess
summer tangle
Do not underestimate the foolishness of the elves
dry sage
how
summer tangle
Religious fanaticism
dry sage
Do not underestimate the foolishness of the elves
Arent they supposed to be old and wise
summer tangle
They wanted to meet their god
hybrid gazelle
Do not underestimate the foolishness of the elves
I still fucking hate how the lore come back around and just blame it on the elves like
Goddd man
summer tangle
Arent they supposed to be old and wise
They put on airs. And they've certainly gotten wiser since
hybrid gazelle
I still dont like Aldorei's secrect part 2 to this day
summer tangle
But elves only became immortal after the portal accident
hybrid gazelle
dude just
summer tangle
When they did this they were normal ppl with normal lifespans
hybrid gazelle
play the game LMAO
summer tangle
Debatable
hybrid gazelle
instead of experiencing it themselves
summer tangle
Esp since they literally asked for the info
dry sage
Villagers first came to Wynn c. 900 AP
How did players get to there
summer tangle
How did players get to there
Like, us? We're from a neighboring region to Wynn called Fruma
hybrid gazelle
but elves immortality thing literally one of the quest
summer tangle
not from Gavel
hybrid gazelle
oh nvm they ask that
summer tangle
Which is an ocean away from Wynn and Fruma
The ocean itself was literally cursed to always be stormy and impossible to navigate
But some enterprising mages figured out how the spell worked and managed to unravel it
dry sage
The ocean itself was literally cursed to always be stormy and impossible to navi...
Captain sea skipper solo
summer tangle
About 100 years before the start of the game
dry sage
damn yall really know alot
hybrid gazelle
unfortunately
dry sage
only if human history were actually this interesting
summer tangle
Now me personally I think that the ocean was cursed for good reason and that uncursing it was a mistake
summer tangle
only if human history were actually this interesting
Oh it is
hybrid gazelle
god literally could give me any hyperfixation but instead it's on fucking wynncraft
dry sage
Now me personally I think that the ocean was cursed for good reason and that unc...
Why though
summer tangle
My pet tinfoil hat theory that's totally correct. Gavelcage. One second
Lemme grab it
hybrid gazelle
Irl human history literally more intresting than whatever wynncraft offer LMAO
the only reason it not seems so because we dont have dragon
and uhh
giant stone robot
and uhhhh
zombie apocalypse
summer tangle
No links allowed?1 noooo
onyx smelt
to be fair, irl human history goes absolutely insane
summer tangle
Oh. So Then It Works Okay
dry sage
oh no wynncraft magic isp iece of shit like
Better than nothing
hybrid gazelle
I would prefer nothing but sure
summer tangle
Wynn magic is theoretically really cool
Unfortunately the potential is not fully realized cause Wynn is fairly surface level there
dry sage
i would love to be able to summon stray dogs and crows outta thin air and command them to rob homeless people
hybrid gazelle
i would love to be able to summon stray dogs and crows outta thin air and comman...
that not canon like
that just archetype thing
summer tangle
The end result of knowing a bunch of lore is reteating into a cave to write your own better fanlore
hybrid gazelle
dude I really want to make another magic system for wynncraft
dry sage
;-;
hybrid gazelle
I think 2.0 kinda ass
summer tangle
That or joining CT and making incremental changes
hybrid gazelle
I gotta make new one later down the line
hybrid gazelle
That or joining CT and making incremental changes
This implying that what oyu want toc hange actually would get through
summer tangle
Ehhh. Selvut and Finndestren come to mind as very good writers
As well as the guy whose s name starts with an O and wrote much of Hollow Serenity, the second-best quest in the game
dry sage
;-;
summer tangle
I will always maintain that Point of No Return is the best quest in the game, but PoNR did that by accident
summer tangle
Everything in HolSer is intentional and perfect
hybrid gazelle
they gotta fix up on understanding how millitary command structure work man
they REALLY need to understand that
summer tangle
Bruh if the core conceit of your setting is that it's fighting a war
That everything is super militarized. You better do your research on pre-modern and early modern military structures
summer tangle
I am not sure who is running the war effort in Wynn
dry sage
How often does wynn update
summer tangle
How often does wynn update
Depends on the update size
hybrid gazelle
it's best I can do without major change to the game
Major update we got like what 1-2 a year?
summer tangle
The devs are nearly all unpaid volunteers
hybrid gazelle
I GUESS???
summer tangle
So they don't work to any deadlines
hybrid gazelle
I am not sure who is running the war effort in Wynn
To me it's admiral Aegis
summer tangle
This is a free time hobby project for them
dry sage
ooooo
hybrid gazelle
but he prettym uch like have equal power with other millitary leader in wynn
like my main idea for wynn is that
all settmenets(major one at least) are millitary ruled and king/mayor as figure head
and they work under alliance
summer tangle
mmm this tracks
summer tangle
ooh fun note: I've introduced "mayor" as an originally Gavellian term
summer tangle
First for a noble whose lands had a city charter, then for the bureaucratic official in charge of administrating a city and its hinterlands
hybrid gazelle
Villager trying to explain to wynnic human that a city does nto need to be lead by royal relative
onyx smelt
The devs are nearly all unpaid volunteers
this. having been staff on a large mc server with a mix of paid employees/unpaid volunteers, lore generally ends up on the back burner of priorities. itās just very hard to have the right environment and people for long enough to do well
summer tangle
This title then gets imported to Wynn
summer tangle
this. having been staff on a large mc server with a mix of paid employees/unpaid...
I haven't said this in a while but I love CT and everything it does, which is considerably more than the nothing it otherwise could be doing
summer tangle
All my top CT hater comments ironically come from this place of love
hybrid gazelle
DISCARDED the lore about emerald mining shit
summer tangle
I'm very invested in them doing the best job possible
onyx smelt
I haven't said this in a while but I love CT and everything it does, which is co...
yeah 100%. the fact that there are interesting and workable aspects is something they should be proud of in of itself
summer tangle
DISCARDED the lore about emerald mining shit
Will never stop being sad about how emeralds stopped being corruption stone
onyx smelt
(almost) pure labor of love
hybrid gazelle
I like the idea of gold being original wynnic currency because it make Rymek more sense in my lore since they are peopel who were entirely disconnect from the mainland when the undead overrun the savahana
summer tangle
yeah 100%. the fact that there are interesting and workable aspects is something...
Yeah! If Wynn(lore) was utterly hopeless I wouldn't even be bothering to interact with it
hybrid gazelle
so they would have no contact with villager and tehrefore not influence by their culture
summer tangle
Critically and all
onyx smelt
that should be the frequent disclaimer in this channel lol. LOVE IT but also WTF
hybrid gazelle
awit let me get uhh
summer tangle
so they would have no contact with villager and tehrefore not influence by their...
Insane but incredible
Unfortunately contradicts current understanding of emerald miners throughout wynnic history
But it Should be this yea
summer tangle
Oh, Almuj is new? I only thought that was Detlas
Shows what I know (hyper focused on Gavel as I am)
hybrid gazelle
summer tangle
Is that canon or pure wartorn?
hybrid gazelle
Wartorn
summer tangle
It's good lore tbh
hybrid gazelle
ALmuj in this take is new due to their use of mayor system
summer tangle
Oh, that lines up really really well with my thought on Mayor being originally a culturally gavellian title
Do you wanna run with that?
hybrid gazelle
Yeah sure
summer tangle
Does Lexdale have one?
hybrid gazelle
I dont think we have anyone else
I THINK??
Wait
I think there mention of leader
summer tangle
Ah Lexdale does have a mayor
hybrid gazelle
Omg wait
that remind me something
In wartorn Lexdale have something called witch hunter
like around gavel there are peopel who take it upon themselves to try to "improve" the life
summer tangle
I'ma have to come up with culturally relevant witches?!
hybrid gazelle
they mostly call witch hunter because they often harassing and hunting witches
summer tangle
Ok well yeah gavel has witches
hybrid gazelle
but overall they will deal anything they consider as evil
wait have you heard of Helfen
like one of my OC
hybrid gazelle
he is consider as witch hunter
in his lore
but like he not really like overzealous about it
since witch hunter is not organization and just a name given by people, they are vary in personality
summer tangle
Nice. I will write about the origin and development of the role
How old do you want it to be
hybrid gazelle
tbh I think you have a lot of freedom with that
but they should exist like
around the time decay become major problem??
summer tangle
My timeline is currently hovering around the early centuries AP
hybrid gazelle
like "wow OBVIOUSLY everything gone shit because some EVIL lurking in this land!"
summer tangle
Everything's getting exponentially more complicated as Sellan civilization develops and expands and interacts with other cultures
hybrid gazelle
Since magic is natural in wynncraft
summer tangle
The entire AP period is gonna feel 5x longer than the BP period at this rate
hybrid gazelle
yep LOL
summer tangle
Despite the Sellan BP period being objectively 1.4x longer
summer tangle
Oh?
hybrid gazelle
but what do you think about magic naturally are null like they are not specific type
but the act of converting them to thunder or any elements
cost mana
summer tangle
Im a cosmic truther
In the sense that cosmic magic is "raw unfiltered" magic, like white light, and that the elements are isolated parts of the spectrum
hybrid gazelle
cosmic magic just a rare convertion of magic
IDK I just
try to streamline the magic system rn
so it easier to understand and use
cause my problem rn is just
it get really confusing to understand
summer tangle
Mmm I've very much been treating magic like light and color when it comes to how it works
I'm pretty sure this aligns to canon?
hybrid gazelle
I THINK??
IDK
magic in wynncraft just weird
elemental feel like it about elemental bending
but it not??
since elemental magic do exist as a force
summer tangle
Separate cosmic magic like a prism separates light
The resulting rainbow is the five elements
I'm ignoring dark because it's dumb and I think CT agrees with me
I treat dark magic more as a culturally decided thing
hybrid gazelle
True
summer tangle
"these kinds of spells are evil. They're Dark Magic." That or magic literally tied to Dern
hybrid gazelle
Hmmm
hybrid gazelle
I do like the idea of cosmic magic being unfiltered and branch out into different magic Becuase like
Consider how earth irl is created
That would be cool take
summer tangle
oh yeah lmao
Dark Magic is often just Thunder Magic
lighting n thunder n power = Evil
Grookwarts teachers also note that water is a bit of a "default" element
Magic trends towards it. Is it in the centre of magic or smth? Or is this an artefact of the way that the magical tradition Grookwarts is steeped in treats magic?
The Doguns would probably say that magic trends to earth and fire, after all
hybrid gazelle
The Doguns would probably say that magic trends to earth and fire, after all
Hmmm
I feel like maybe???
Like my way of understanding jt is that
Magic as invisible force habe property like water
Orrrr
Water are closely related to mana
hushed comet
All my top CT hater comments ironically come from this place of love
This as well but sadly people are being killed for posting bangers in #1019649786799996980
I am also not fond of certain questionable balance philosophies such as stripping QoL (e.g. Warp and slayer nerfs, entropy nerf towards Arcanists) and damage being given to Tank builds e.g. Titanomachia slop
Lets discuss lore.
regal spire
When Tisaun lore!
After le fruma
warm flicker
from my own research and digging around, my headcanon is that purple crystals affect our position in space (teleportation, instant movement, etc), while blue crystals affect our position in time (time travel). It explains why the sky islands might exist - the islands are actually falling down to the void but are being teleported to their original place instantly, making it seem like theyre floating. Blue crystals, however, are present in a bunch of secret discoveries where we witness events from the past, acting as a catalyst for these scenes in ultimate discoveries
true eagle
my headcanon bout wynn craft lore is that IDGAF !! fuck books and reading and literature š
regal spire
my headcanon bout wynn craft lore is that IDGAF !! fuck books and reading and li...
This is not tuff
š¤Ŗ
hybrid gazelle
from my own research and digging around, my headcanon is that purple crystals af...
tbh that like
uhhh
I would really love that idea if not for the fact that it feel like
IDK what to say
it weird and convolted I GUESS???
onyx smelt
lmao
hybrid gazelle
IDK kinda have bad impression of crystal lore
I used to have sketch relate to it but I guess i loss it??
cerulean osprey
i wonder if we get more wynnex quests in fruma
hybrid gazelle
I do think that like
cerulean osprey
i wonder if we get more wynnex quests in fruma
or if it just ends in wynn
hybrid gazelle
crystal keep teleporting island to their oringal place is like
really smart
I highly dbout they want to make fruma focus on outdated storyline
like
the ycould
but I highly dbout it would be satisfying unless we got wynnex after which would be very long time after
it like trying to make contiuation of ROL story without fixing ROL
actually I going through my head to find what I find issue about crystal in wynncraft lore
is that mostly it just feel like a clutch because like
oh thing are happen because