📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

I just try to like thinking about it

[quartz mist]

like. objectively in terms of relevance Orcs are the face of the "greenskin" groups as a whole

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess it fine? Cause I also always see orcs as more leader that spearhead and lead the family

But I also sometime want to be flexible for wartorn version so I also allow goblins to be "general" as well

[quartz mist]

they have multiple quests associated with them whereas goblins just share quest relevance, trolls have no quests, and ogres just have HEY NOW YOURE AN ALL STAR GET YOUR GAME ON GO PLAY HEY NOW YOUR A RACKSTAR GET THE SHOW ON GET PAID AND ALL THAT GLITTERS IS GOLD ONLY SHOOTING STAR BREAK THE MOWOLD ITS A COOL PLACE AND THEY SAY IT GETS COLDER YOURE BUNDLED UP NOW WAIT TIL YOU GET OLDER BUT THE MEDIA MEN BEG TO DIFFER JUDGING BY THE HOLE IN THE SATELLITE PICTURE THE ICE WE SKATE IS GETTIN PRETTY THIN THE WATERS GETTIN WARM SO Y

[hybrid gazelle]

lol

NGL one idea i have for overworld NPCs project that in my back pocket

is that in Olux there is orges merchant

or orge NPC chilling in their house

and they will tell you to either buy shit or fuck off because they are chilling

I been homebrew my own take on orc and other in wynncraft

[drifting aurora]

@dim plover

in response to this

[quartz mist]

I will say that you're putting a hell of a lot more thought into species distinctions than we generally do. while it's important to have different races be distinct there's a level of relevance to those details that players care about, and while a lot of your stuff IS really cool it tends to be very background worldbuilding that wouldn't be particularly relevant to the game as a whole? not to say it's bad or pointless or anything, fuck knows ive definitely written way more pointless stuff, but there's a level of density that is parsable to most players that your stuff exceeds

it definitely is the kind of stuff that we sorta try to encourage by keeping things relatively simple

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah that is reason why I do Wartorn project LOL

it just allow more free range of expanding wynncraft as a world

it more like a project to encourage artists and other people to see hwo expansive wynncraft as setting can be

including making their own character or story

it more like a lore book that you use to see what set pieces you could use in your OC story and stuff

I pretty sure I have one person with their OC story where there are wynnic assassins who do various job like assassinating in Gavelian politic

[quartz mist]

I mostly just saw the same kinds of heads and sounds and "UNGA BUNGA WE STRONG IDIOTS" caveman-style treatment given to four separate species that did have quest associations and saw older versions of the quests where midway through the quest people forget which greenskin/aurayin the quest is about because they were so interchangeable and I got upset

[hybrid gazelle]

that why a lot in wartorn focus around think of many potential plot as muc has possible

[quartz mist]

like. how in llevigar you get introduced to the fact there's an orcish war after stuff like blazing retribution/green skinned trouble as it was called back then, and then the next orc quest starts with "This is a Villager/Troll war!"

and then stuff archetypically applied to ogres is brought up in the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

hmm I see

oph god that remind me

you can wear poxper skin

[quartz mist]

that just made me really upset

so I wanted to give them each separate cultures and such

[hybrid gazelle]

Arrai Veretal seeing player pull up with Poxper skin as part of their drip

top 10 rage bait

omg the quest name is still there

[quartz mist]

though there isnt really quest space for elaborating further on these species I wanted to kinda add to it post-ARTP

like, you can come back and do the orcs' tasks even once you've finished the quest

so I wanted to have extra side stuff there

[hybrid gazelle]

hmm I see that could be cool

I honestly would be fine with overworld NPCs

like ogres becoming overworld NPCs would definitely make them seen as acutal sapient I think

Trolls honestly

[quartz mist]

stuff developed on the backburner that would have helped flesh stuff out. I distinctly recall thinking about being able to practice medicine with Zuett and Ressinter by helping them treat orcs with variants of the medicine game

[hybrid gazelle]

in my eyes trolls just have trouble of the fact that their body just big so they become hungry easily

Like they are sapient but they just very hungry

[hybrid gazelle]

is it gonna bel ike that one uhhh

those kind of game on website where you mix stuff up for random customers LOL

[quartz mist]

maybe? I don't really think so, my thought was each of the named orcs could come in complaining of various things so you made medicines based on the rules that you made with ressinter

[hybrid gazelle]

that could be fun

also btw the reaosn I make the Orcs En Al base on pig

is because like

it just base on the idea of herbivoer in nature being beefy

something like moose for example

it just some design choice I make to make it clear that the combat culture that orcs have a not all about hunting for food but for honor as well

and I just think it would be really intresting to explore the idea of humanoid animal race that base on herbivore being more like

god IDK how to say word this because I pretty sure I tyr to explain because it just feel strange

okay just imagine predator from alien movie

it like that

which is why the troll

is base on prehistoric pig

because those are actual carnivore

as trolls eat meat and just much more "primal" compare to their cousins

I really like the idea of trolls being rare part of orcs camp in the modern day

because as villager expanse, the orcs have less space to farm and get food

and they could not feed the trolls that would be in their camp

therefore trolls would be out of control and actually eating civilians of their enemies in which orcs heavily against

so eventually by modern day orsc and trolls inda have some strain relationship but the trolls will more liekly to listen to the arrai

asnd also villagers expansion kinda fuck them over al ot because now most trolls are in COTL

so now the family just rarely ever interact with each other

IDK I just think it intresting idea to explore orcs and other spieces in

actually orcs and goblins in my take have more knight and squire feel to it if that make sense

like not 100% extact same thing

but goblins handling tasks for orcs but not treated like servants

ac tually no knight and squire is awful analogy

basically this

the Children of Auray info focus more on orc and goblin since they are more relevance there

compare to trolls and ogres who live in their lonesome and not really relate to the faction that much

I honestly would be more intrest how orcs and other would look when the direction were shifted correctly in wynncraft

though I like more animal take for the orcs and other because I think that set them apart from other spieces

and not just

their skins LOL

[small sluice]

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[dim plover]

Yeah

Since technically events past King’s Recruit aren’t really that chronologically definite

If there even is a canon chronology at all

I’m not exactly sure if Wynncraft will go for the “the canon route is via level order” or “barring the storyline quests none of it is canon, you can make your own canon via how you do the content” route

[regal spire]

Did they change the Chef Hamzy Quest that showed he had trophies dating from 1002?

Since he’s no longer the chef from Ragni*

[candid fox]

pretty sure?

[warm adder]

What is dern

Like if portal to dern was a thing you could go through

what would be ther

[hybrid gazelle]

You would go to Dern

Dern is literally just realm of darkness

Or realm of Dern

And that pretty much all we know

[hybrid gazelle]

Also we already got 2 of those

In gateway island and se

wait actually have you even complete the game

I highly recommend to literally just finish the game

[warm adder]

I have done most of the quests

only one i haven’t done is a hunters calling

[hybrid gazelle]

Well I

You surely would have seen one Dern portal

[turbid igloo]

Nerd

[cerulean osprey]

we barely know anything about dern

[warm adder]

where is there 2 dern portals

[regal spire]

There’s only one, gateway island is basically a portal to an area affected by Dern, not Dern itself. (Not sure where the realm is, but it seems to be connected to SE)

[warm adder]

whats gateway island

is dern and corruption linked

[cold cove]

Dern is the realm of darkness, where the dern beast and the forces of darkness originated. When the forces of darkness and light (Orphion) meet, such as in the equinox or Lutho obelisk, they produce corruption, which originated from the realm of war, on the other side of the corruption portal

[regal spire]

Fantastic Voyage Quest location

[warm adder]

o

is there any way you can go there

after you do the quest

[cold cove]

There's not really a reason to

But try the dudes ship in Jofash

[warm adder]

i just finished a hunters calling

im so confused now

[ornate summit]

Kill aledar again

But what r u confused abt?

[warm adder]

like when does it happen

[ornate summit]

Its an alternate time line / universe i think

[warm adder]

and why are you now with bakal

[warm adder]

oh

[ornate summit]

Yea

[warm adder]

what does the merchant give

[ornate summit]

Shadow items

Prett ygood items

[warm adder]

how do i make my housing plot bigger

[ornate summit]

Guild housing is bigger

[warm adder]

o

rip

[deft seal]

So Dern is not a province in game but IIRC given the size of it, it should be treated as a province by players. If so, then why is the realm of light so small

[regal spire]

Orphions been drained for almost 1000 years

[deft seal]

true

i didnt even think about that

[regal spire]

NoL’s end-raid dialogue actually tells you that RoL will slowly reform

[deft seal]

and dern has been draining him

[leaden gale]

guys i have a question. Does fruma technically have 2 gates?

cuz using the wyntills map i can see the tutorial area

behind the caravan is the gate

[regal spire]

I’d say yeah, but who knows what the tutorial will look like after Fruma

[leaden gale]

does this mean we actually might have to go back to the tutorial area?

since obviously we can't enter through the main gate

[deft seal]

i thought it was implied that the gate in the tutorial area isnt a gate into fruma persay, its moreso a placeholder to the road between fruma and wynn

thats how i always interpreted it

[regal spire]

As of now, there’s an actual gate, which I’d assume be where the mass majority of the public would be associated with Fruma (if the borders were opened), and then the tutorial area, which is basically a customs-esc gate, purely used for transferring citizens to Wynn

[deft seal]

the corruption gate is the gate to the realm of war? so were there two separate groups of miners in wynn, one mined the corruption portal and the other mined the silent expanse portal?

[leaden gale]

i'd be piss off if the quest to enter fruma is just a sneak-in like, entering the tutorial area is a muich better concept since its less guarded by the looks of it

while the main gate has like about 20 guards

[regal spire]

There’s the abandoned mines, and then the actual portal that opened after the guardian of the forest was chopped down

[deft seal]

ohhh i forgot about that one

the one in the abandoned mines, is that a portal to dern? or is it to the realm of war?

i remember it being dern right?

[regal spire]

There was, presumably, tons of mining facilities around Wynn, all of which were promptly shut down with the coming of the corruption portal, as well as a more specific sector of miners who discovered SE

[leaden gale]

in the part 4 quest, the guardian of forest show us that wynn is actually under the realm of war and gavel is under the light

[regal spire]

There’s only a few minor sections of active mining activity throughout Wynn, now, with a majority of them being significantly smaller than what was offered before 0AP

[leaden gale]

idk the word but it has 2 lines, 1 line is the physical plane and another is plane of influence

so i think wynn is connected to realm of war since its under that influence

[regal spire]

RoL 4 needs a rewrite, since it’s a very confusing lore dump that still needs outside influence to get it right

I just take the very face value, simplistic perspective possible from the quest

[leaden gale]

yeah its very confusing

the silent expanse is only like 1/5 of the whole wynn province, following RoL 4 this make nesaak and troms under the Dern influence which doesn't make a single sense

there's barely any darkness in troms or nesaak

unless the moutains and snow is the divide

i mean looking at the map, it look like the snow is dividing half of wynn

still doesn't make any sense tho, in nesaak i understand but troms? there should atleast be some of those weird spikes

[dim plover]

Hi there hello do I hear lore

Wait no I hear people thinking that SE is part of Wynn again

Guys the Wynn humans didn’t even know SE is a thing

And when the Olms were around the continent wasn’t even the Wynn Province yet

was Wynn not founded by the humans or smth

Did I get my lore wrong

@leaden gale Hi I know Realm lore ask me anything

[regal spire]

One more lore question before 🛌: Do you think the Gateway Realm is a small, tucked away part of SE? Or another realm—similar to something like Slykaar’s realm—influenced by Dern?

My money is on the former, but the wiki words it as the ladder

[dim plover]

If it was a part of SE idk why a big portal was needed to tp us to Abandoned Mines

Tbh I feel like it’s just pieces of different realities like the Blueshift Archipelago

Since you see a lot of weird stuff those themes clash with each other in there

[true eagle]

books 📚 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

this is going tgo be the quest where everything get heavily change lOL

[shell dragon]

Troms is stated to have dern influence due to the olms fleeing the silent expanse to the jungle

They brought some of the influence along with them as the eye still could watch them from all the way from the outlook

Nesaak I assume is safe cuz of the twain freezing the entire region with magic and effectively sustaining that magic while in the dungeon

[hybrid gazelle]

I felt that just paranoid

and not actual dernic influence

there literally nothing dernic to be seen in Troms LOL

also Dern not spread thorugh wynn can probably mean it has no intrest in taking wynn

we dont know much yet

Dern is not mindless like corruption

so it not spreading to Wynn likely a choice

[vivid python]

is the dragon egg in sarnfic canon?

[hybrid gazelle]

no sarnfic is old ass

[warm flicker]

from my own interpretation, considering the Olm fled into the jungle long before the Dern Beast began using his eye to influence the world (and probably before those fireball eyes started appearing), the crystals (alongside their weird time warping technology) gave the Olm a horrifying version of future vision. They see the Dern Beast's eye centuries before the Dern Beast even separated it from his head. These visions were so vivid, the power the eye exhudes somehow slipped into the past and drove the Olm insane

its probably simpler to say they hallucinated or something but i like my own headcanon

[regal spire]

Could end up being, but likely just a nod from times of old

ToA still has its egg

Idk where the 3rd one is

[hasty spoke]

Wait what if ahc is the visions...I guess they aren’t nearly apocalyptic enough to get the Olm to go insane retroactively, but maybe they got so confident they could prevent the future and face the Dern beast/eye that it was basically bait for them, maybe some left but the rest died in the eyes attack

[tame sundial]

Huh did olm only come to like the other placea once they were gone from se? (Couldnt they have gon there earlier and only left se later)

[spring kernel]

They did move to another location after fleeing yes

[celest kernel]

I know almost nothing of the wynncraft lore since every time I play I get bored and quit when I'm like combat level 40

Is there a yt video or a wiki that summarizes or explains it??

[regal spire]

There is, in fact, a Wynncraft wiki, but you’ll be wading through it regardless

Even the summarized, compact stuff isn’t exactly short

[celest kernel]

I imagined lol

is there a yt video I can watch or something?

[regal spire]

Good question, someone should do that

I believe there’s a timeline on the wiki that’ll basically tell you everything that has happened, but you’ll have zero context for any of it

There’s a ton of documents out there on the Wynn server, but it’ll take me a second to find it (and that’s if I feel like it )

[celest kernel]

that works lmao

I got a cold rn anyways so there isn't anything better to do

[regal spire]

There’s actually a lot of better things to do than read up on Wynn lore, even when sick

[hybrid gazelle]

There is not really good lore summary of wynncraft

[warm adder]

ii mean theres so much

theres a timeline ig

[hybrid gazelle]

timeline is not really good summary of the lore because again

it just a timeline

it would left out specific detail and basic concept of the setting

rule and stuff

becuase wynncraft has its own magic system as well

there also fundemtnal concept such as Light, Dark, and Corruption

imagine reading "summary" of warhammer universe but they dont explain what the warp is

those are kind of detial we missing out if we only just read the timeline

[eternal helm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuLsZwb_nPM most major events, gonna be outdated tho but most of the lore still stands

[hybrid gazelle]

Is this

Is this just recap the entire timeline wiki

This is literally just timeline wiki recap

Are there any actual good lore content on YouTube???

Like jfc man there like

Barely any good wynncraft lore content jfc this is dire

[eternal helm]

No :(

I wish there was,,,

Like

MatPat for Wynn ☠️

[loud swift]

PLEEEEASE I'm sitting here trying to piece together the lore as I play and as someone who has VERY BAD comprehension skills I've been STRUGGLING

I need someone to take the lore, put it in a kindergarten style book, and read it to me like we're at storytime

[regal spire]

Commission Game Theory and have em do Wynncraft videos

[hushed comet]

its not worth it but probably ask trashie

the quests that unlock major content are usually important to lore

as a pointer

[warm flicker]

if i had any actual video editting skills id turn my entire document into a lore deep dive video on the Olm

[tribal spindle]

Easy fix ask someone for the pdf summary thats less than 20 pages

[hybrid gazelle]

Omfg it seems like I have to do it

Maybe between break from rol rewrite break

[tribal spindle]

... Their rewriting ROL?

[hybrid gazelle]

fan rewrite

[vapid hound]

where would dern be located on the map

[hybrid gazelle]

like ROL where they just exist off the main map

because it's entirely different existence

probably somewhere in off world border LOL

but also visible on the website map

[vapid hound]

oh

would it be larger than rol?

[hybrid gazelle]

) idea

0 idea

If we have dern expansion like we were believe

the map likely bigger than ROL

because ROL just made alongside gavel

but IDK thing can be different

[shut hornet]

the location of rol on the web map is accurate to where it actually is physically located in game

not in canon ofc

imo theres some other areas that should do this, mainly the void

[hybrid gazelle]

I would loive if the website map got updated

cause the current map we have kinda awful on website, like unusable in some area

[brazen plank]

I always thought it was a really bad map honestly

It works I guess but

it could be way better

[hybrid gazelle]

It work like any map until you get to Nesaak or Troms

and hat point completely unusable

NEARLY unusable in Rymek

[regal spire]

I hate how you can see the normal world from RoL, even ingame

It just ruins the entire illusion when you can just sorta peak over at a giant wall of stone

[unique jungle]

website map is kinda goated idk...

at least its not topdown like wynntils

that makes it kinda hard to tell what is what (and you cant see roads very easily when trees at all exist)

[hybrid gazelle]

I literally would prefer top down like wynntils if it mean I can actually navigate area like nesaak or troms

[cold cove]

ATP Wynn should just have one of the chat messages that pops up once in a while tell people to download Wynntils

[hybrid gazelle]

That would against their core tho because they are 100% vanilla

[cold cove]

That's true

[candid fox]

❌

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not it Cinfras?

The bit of information we have kinda suggest so

since the descendent of the king rule Cinfras

and it seems like unlike Wynn, there only one king/queen at the time

well for villagers

the heir of royalty take Cinfras

it would make sense that the expansion was start from Cinfras

which lead to existence of Gelibord, Olux, Lexdale, and eventually Llevigar

[indigo plover]

how could we legally put Rohem away in Murder Mystery if we searched his house for the murder weapon without a warrant

[regal spire]

Because he admitted to it, ig, and Gavel laws are more utilitarian and quick acting, ig

[dim plover]

Doesn’t this problem exist for the isometric map except worse because mountains will also block you

At least for the 2D map it’s only overhang structures like trees rather than anything remotely tall

[unique jungle]

they dont block much of anything relevant

like ok cotl ig but you arent navigating that with a topdown map either

at least with a 3d map you can see the builds

(points of reference, perhaps?)

[dim plover]

Yeah but 3D map also kinda skews your perspective when not everything is on the same y-level

Like when they have icons

If something is marked high up or underground the icon will just be at some random ground spot rather than like, on the actual x-z coordinate (which I would argue are a lot more useful values when it comes to traveling)

That being said it’s way easier to comprehend non-coordinate directions when the 2D map has the standard “North is the top of the map” rather than the 3D map’s “North is up and to the right, have fun spending an extra second trying to orient yourself with a map with diagonal cardinals”

.
Basically there’s a really good reason why most maps are 2D

3D map is good for aesthetic and all but it’s really not practical when it comes for navigation

You know, the purpose of a map

This might be a different story if the Wynncraft 3D map is holographic and rotatable but until that’s ever a thing a 2D map is still what most people will actually find easier to use

[unique jungle]

i mean wynntils map i dont think has north to the top also right?

i think its oriented same as the official wynn one

[dim plover]

The Wynntils map is diagonal?

[unique jungle]

north isnt the top

right?

i remember north and south being swapped from what i always think in my mental map

ik they both have gavel at the top

[indigo plover]

Correct

[dim plover]

Gavel is North of Wynn

Unless I’ve been hallucinating Wynncraft’s cardinal directions for almost a decade

[unique jungle]

huh

someone post f3 in some recognizable location

[dim plover]

Are you gaslighting me

Ok wait hold on

Brb

Nvm I can’t log on rn

Anyone here in-game

[indigo plover]

Going "up" is a negative axis

[dim plover]

I swear to god Gavel is directly North of Wynn

[indigo plover]

I can in 5m

[dim plover]

Thanks

[true eagle]

im booking it 😂😂

[dim plover]

If Gavel isn’t North then idk how I’ve been navigating the map all this time

[unique jungle]

ugh i hate these new territory names if only we had "nesaak north" "nesaak south"

mostly a joke but it does make it inconvenient

ok so get this
wynncrafts map is ip based, right?

i see some random person on the map

[indigo plover]

ok so it is north

but apparently North is the -Z axis

is that normal?

[dim plover]

Like, in F3 or

It is yeah

I work with the x and z axis all the time in commands and I can confirm that negative z is North

Mobs always spawn South by default when you /summon them, which is facing towards positive z

(It’s why when you tp mobs ^ ^ ^3 it means you’re tping them forward)

[indigo plover]

i guess i always assumed +Z was north

becuase that makes sense

[dim plover]

(Positive z is the “default” direction of sorts )

Nah south is default

[unique jungle]

Can you send the f3 screen too

[dim plover]

Always has been

[unique jungle]

South being default is cursed

I've heard ragni gates facing east and west in the same forum thread

[unique jungle]

Wow that's quite modded

[indigo plover]

only 53

https://modrinth.com/mod/betterf3

[unique jungle]

I play vanilla wynn now when i play it

Used to do wynntils but it's a little yknow

[indigo plover]

i dont think i could handle vanilla wynn

too much qol missing

[unique jungle]

No item %'s is a pain

[indigo plover]

i dont get why people hate on wynntils for being bloated when everything is customizable

[unique jungle]

But then you have to customize it

[indigo plover]

once

[unique jungle]

Maybe

I don't mind the bloat as much as some people

I'm more annoyed by it switching versions all the time

[indigo plover]

true

[unique jungle]

1.12.2 best wynn fr

[dim plover]

(To me it isn’t because I’m accustomed to South being default :D)

[hybrid gazelle]

Wynncraft kinda disregard how these things actually work but I guess you can say that we being ask to help with the case somehow?? The guy did hire us as private investigator

Tbh I have less problem with this quest specifically because it just one time thing compared to like

Disregard your unique premise to tell a generic story

[indigo plover]

wdym by that

[indigo plover]

i get that we're asked to help with the case, but the culprit did say warrants exist in universe ... and we didnt have one when we went to his backyard and dug up the murder weapon

like that would probably get all charges thrown out

[hybrid gazelle]

Unlike other fantasy setting, wynncraft story started by us being part of the army right away as fruman recruit

Sadly wynncraft literally habe no idea how military work so we kinda like mercenary instead of a soldier in assigned army

Tjis fix a bit in lootrun update but let’s be real it does not fix the issue thst much

[indigo plover]

(The Mercenary quest reference)

[hybrid gazelle]

The mercenary quest surpirsingly

Is probably the worst example which is sad cause I actually like that quest

Amerigo said that he does not want to get Detlas invovle

Yet he has 2 Detlas soldiers in this mission(if we led to believe that we and Aledar still work for admiral Aegis consider Aledar talk about he going to talk about Aegis after the quest is over)

And also literally sends a scout to recruit a soldier in fucking Detlas

Also tempo town and nemract for some reason but I chalk that up to gameplay convenient

Also Tasim the nice guy thst we know literally commit extortion and act as false authorities on his first day

He will get Ragni in trouble

[dim plover]

Who built EO that’s like the single largest building in the entire game

I struggle to believe that the Olms somehow built an entire megastructure with a greater volume than the size of their biggest town

If The Eye repurposes it to be its watchtower then what on earth was it originally used for???

[regal spire]

Olm might’ve been trying to build a tower into space

[hybrid gazelle]

It literally could be religious site

Bedside olms literally can capable of manipulating time and spade

I literallt don’t see why they could not build mega structure

If human can build a goddam pyramid

A spieces with knowledge of manipulating space and time could do as well

In fact olm should build more great structure

We literally got Garoth capable of solely build sanctum in packet dimension or something

[dim plover]

Wait Garoth built the stone structure around?

I thought that was the Dwarves

Or Doguns idk

[hybrid gazelle]

What? I meant the entire timelost sanctum

Even shit in time valley are massive like temple of time

[dim plover]

I mixed Garoth up with Garaheth god dammit

[hybrid gazelle]

But yes while understandable there might be possibilitythat olm may not build EO

Saying that olm incapable of creating such structure just wrong and weird?

Consider we see their structure and real life example how even less advance civilization creating mega structure

[indigo plover]

Probably also served as a watchtower

Its facing the portal to Dern right

[dim plover]

It doesn’t have a facing direction

EO looks the same on both sides

[indigo plover]

Sure, but it cant be passed through unless you conquer it

Could just be a blockade

Or its an outlook, keeping an eye on eldritch beings

Coming from dern

[hybrid gazelle]

What time they would use to build mega structure during Dern throwing fire balls at olmic city?

Or do you mean like

It’s something build for dernic forces

I don’t think Dern portal is even there by the time equinox happen

[indigo plover]

Maybe not, I should brush up on the timeline

But the name alone makes me think it was build to stop darkness creatures

[hybrid gazelle]

Well miners discover se seems like it before the portal opening

And suggested by their reaction se would already become what it is before the portal opening

So the dernic force attacking olmic city would be before the portal opening

We do not have much info rn but sure, the creation of EO could lead to Dern beast attack the olm or something

[dim plover]

Didn’t the miners discover the valley and then immediately sealed themselves in because of all the dark stuff they saw on the other side

[hybrid gazelle]

Pretty sure yeah I guess

[regal spire]

Seems it wasn’t immediate, though, as shown in the crystal discovery

Actually, I don’t think there’s anything ingame or out of it that actually says how long SE was open for, before it got closed up

[hybrid gazelle]

That crystal shit just there for the sake of it

there literally no deeper intention from what I heard

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

Literally just bunch of nonsense put there for nothing

[regal spire]

That’s silly, if that’s the case.

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH never like how SE being discovery lore

I think it just

really boring??

There so much horror to be shown but they just do not LOL

we literally could get Still Wake The Deep type shit that could give slowburn and build up to the reveal of SE

but instead what we got is like

nah

[regal spire]

I think they don’t show a lot of it because implication can greatly exceed showcase, and—at the time—showing it when it was made was more difficult

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they capable of making it during that time or at least something resemble it

what they did in the game kinda

awful

LOL

like there is no intention of making it slow burn or anythign at all

just BOOM big monster right away

even then still not what i mean

[pliant plank]

How strong is the eye?

[hybrid gazelle]

you can still have implication

but what we got rjn is like

there is not even hint of implication in SE LOL

it just BIG FUCKING MONSTER right away

[pliant plank]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

there is no subtlety

[pliant plank]

do you mean?

[hybrid gazelle]

Finish the quest and you can come here later

[pliant plank]

The eye?

[regal spire]

I think it needs more development on how the Olm escaped, tbh, and a bigger emphasis on how deep the miners managed to get into SE, before sealing, instead of the fact that they did seal themselves in

[pliant plank]

yes

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the lore about miners sealing themselves

is utterly fucking stupid

because who the fuck would do that

and like

what stopping them from like run away

[pliant plank]

Sacrifice

[hybrid gazelle]

like

you cant fucking tell me EVERYONE in the mining team decide to sacrifice themselves

nobody is that fucking noble unless everyone there is a children of Jesus Chirst

[regal spire]

They didn’t, most definitely

[pliant plank]

They were children of Jesus.

[hybrid gazelle]

and why did they bury themselves in
cant they just walk out and bury the entrance???

I still do not get it

[pliant plank]

negative iq

They had to dodge child support

[hybrid gazelle]

there so many question lead to it that it just feel idiotic

[regal spire]

That I implied, considering how quick of a decision it must’ve been. It’s implied to have been a last minute decision, where those in charge managed to get it done before their fate was sealed.

I’d imagine they couldn’t get out in time to do it without sealing everyone in

[hybrid gazelle]

it would make more realistic that there is someone got out and those are the people who bury the other inside

everyone decide that
"Okay guys let bury outselves and lock ourselves with whatever horror lies beyond"

[regal spire]

Tbh, considering how long ago it was closed, that very well may be the case

[hybrid gazelle]

the fact that Lutho there after imply there are good amount of survivors

so it does not feel like there are monters rushing behind them

[regal spire]

There’s that one discovery, with around 7 bodies in a lava pit, so not everyone managed to get away

Who knows how many more were taken in the race to the Obelisk, ig

[pliant plank]

yeah

[regal spire]

Oh, wait, there’s actually a ton of dead miner enemies all around the entrance of the Road to Dern

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK the fact we have no lore about the discovery of SE kinda so weird

[regal spire]

Forgot about that lmao

[pliant plank]

MABYE

Bc we should not know anything about it

and mystery ykno2

[hybrid gazelle]

SE release and they still could not get over the fucking undead enemy type

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[regal spire]

That’s the thing, though, they weren’t corpses. They’re, like, “apparitions of what once was there”, or something, so it’s different

The actual corpses are just kinda littered around

[hybrid gazelle]

They are fucking corpse if the mining happen WAYYY back before the portal openning LOL

if you mean these guys

[regal spire]

Ye, never could tell if those were Olmic or the miners, though

[hybrid gazelle]

those are miners

[regal spire]

Just figured it was the miners, cause they don’t look Olmic

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK why olms would be there

they all gone

that the point

[regal spire]

I wouldn’t say that for certain, since there are lots of lil apparitions and dead Olm skeletons in SE

They seem to be figments, though, not corpses

[hybrid gazelle]

olms have gray-ish skin

these are clearly human skin

[regal spire]

My phone screen is greyed out, that might be tricking me

[hybrid gazelle]

also olms have purple in their eyes

SHoutout to Garoth for showing us that olms can have different skin color

literally we should have path to SE connected to abanoned mines

actually oyu know what

[regal spire]

Don’t we sorta have that?

[hybrid gazelle]

we should just scrapped road of sliences and make ti a slow build

No

it not

it completely different mine

[regal spire]

I always assumed they were the same project

[hybrid gazelle]

even tho fantastic voyage want to gaslight you into thinking it is

We not sure if they actually same project but still

literally like

why

just have it connect from abanoned mines and now you can have actual use for this BIG ASS area

that been doing nothing

[regal spire]

I wouldn’t mind that

[hybrid gazelle]

hey maybe add lore to like

wow whole bunch of miners disappear

[regal spire]

Reworked abandoned mine so SE can be bigger

[hybrid gazelle]

now mining is consider bad omen

BIG SCARy

and then maybe have slient road be this like

literally just mineshaft

scatter through it are notes by the miners that once work there

also maybe place the timelien of where the mining happen

but like we can ignre that for now

like maybe instead of like

AJB where we doing fuck all in the first section

like bunch of non canon non sense that already been retcon by the next update

it would be slow burn as you and the gang read through the note that left by the miners

as you open the mine unknowingly enter a place that was left abanoned for a reason

and boom SE creature that been lurking here and responsible for the miners' paranoid and death

scaring the rest of the gang to actual SE

rough summary but I think that is would be a nice change from what we have rn

and also

they talk big shit about how the miners need to seal SE so the horror wont let out

even tho we did that and literally nothing happen

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-right-neow-are-you-serious-right-now-cat-cat-speed-fast-gif-26894786

IDK what the writers trying to say

IDK if they want to say those miners sacrifice for LITERALLY NOTHING

or what like IDK

IDK what i meant to feel

that why I say at least make it feel like the miners left bury by force rather then agree to sacrifice themselves

because human error is more understandable

than like these people being son of chirst and decide this horror shoudl be seal off even tho the said horror does fucking nothing

[dim plover]

Garoth might just be because he was designed by a different artist tbh

Because he doesn’t share the same facial structure with the other Olms as well

If anything I didn’t remotely recognize him as an Olm when I first saw him just because of how different he looked

.
Then again the Tempo Town shop guy exists so what do I know

[hasty spoke]

This won’t go anywhere and is very speculative, but could elves cross the sea before it was calmed? They are all about Nature magic after all

[dim plover]

What does nature magic have to do with crossing the sea

[regal spire]

Are Vikings dwarves? Or are they there own thing

I always thought Vikings were first, then they went into Gavel, separating themselves as dwarfish

[hybrid gazelle]

The tempo town guy literally just copy and paste olm skin

Also literally does not matter anyway because it give more olm flexibility in term of appearance which is good

[hybrid gazelle]

They are human I think

[hybrid gazelle]

Well there not really “nature” magic in wynncraft

So no

The ocean problem probably not simple as just being good at magic

We have little info about the mage that calm I

But then again old lore

[surreal flax]

pretty sure one half are the descendants of humans

other half descend from villagers

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think that ever establish

but sure

[surreal flax]

well we know that the 2 leaders are of those races

[hybrid gazelle]

What

you mean different nation

like

they could be the same spieces

I dont get it like

where was it establish that they were different spiecse??

[surreal flax]

read on wiki

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I did

[surreal flax]

a while ago

[hybrid gazelle]

whaet about it

they just said early seafarer

and guessing that like

the sea was safe to travel in 900 AP

100 years does not warrant entire different classification

that like saying

Japanese and American are not same spieces

[hybrid gazelle]

what

where

where the source

[surreal flax]

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah it shit like this where ou cant 100% trust on the wiki

[surreal flax]

i think the other leader in the quest called him rly greedy or something

[hybrid gazelle]

You

[surreal flax]

cant be bothered to check the discoveries

[hybrid gazelle]

You dont want to assume they are villager by being greedy

I can assure oyu that not a good idea

but yeah no evidence that they are villager descedents

like sure you can use evidence of them being greedy but like I recommend youi to not because the last guy that did it went insane on twitter

[warm flicker]

yall know that gate in the toxic wastes blocked off with rubble? Its a lootrun location where u have to kill mobs trying to excavate the gate. Ive always wondered where that gate leads to? I tried using coords to find its exit but it doesnt seem to go in a straight line. Ive been thinking, because theres another gate entrance blocked off with rubble below the Sanctuary bridge, maybe the one in Toxic Wastes links up to the one in Time Valley

[shut hornet]

i think any lore about the villagers being "inherently greedier" than humans is just gone now

and thats for the best imo because uh. that was kind of not a good look

i would say that the reason the villagers are often capitalistic is literally just because they established the ideology of capitalism

they werent plagued by war for 1000 years like the wynnians so they were free to just do that

[shut hornet]

iirc it was once planned to be a fast travel into Silent Road but it was scrapped for whatever reason

so they just blocked it off with rubble and eventually it became a lootrun challenge

[hybrid gazelle]

it still thre in the game but yeah probably need to get that shit out

or else Notch will be awoken

Notch coming to wynncraft like Annie

[shut hornet]

i cant really think of a place that outright states the villagers as being inherently greedier than humans

the main ones were the old versions of the rol quests which are gone now

[hybrid gazelle]

therel ike worrid I guess like

I literally could not fathom why worrid is like that

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah this is hwo I see it

[shut hornet]

i still dont understand how this was supposed to work btw??? like, the villagers being greedy somehow caused orphion to get infected with darkness parasites

were the parasites even affiliated with darkness?? was darkness even a THING back then??? it makes no sense

[ornate summit]

someone make fan fic abt this shi ong

[shut hornet]

the only redeeming quality of the old rol quests was Finding The Light and for reasons totally unrelated to the actual rol story

[hybrid gazelle]

ABSOLUTE PEAK

[shut hornet]

basically, to enter the realm of light, you needed special glasses that would enable you to "see the truth" called the Clearsight Spectacles, and there was only one person capable of making them, an optometrist who lives in Cinfras. the guardian of the forest sends you his way once awoken using the volt goat horn. once you reach Ollie the Optometrist basically the entire quest becomes a massive detour from the actual light plotline and you go on this really fun little adventure in cinfras where you help 2 gay dads find their son who actually turns out to be helping a homeless guy near kander but said homeless guy needs his meds (canned abis) so you go to the apothecary to get it and it all comes together in a really nice way

genuinely it was one of my favourite quests back when it existed (despite being pretty simple) and i was really sad when the rework basically got rid of everything except the guardian of the forest

oh and canned abis. that stayed too

[hybrid gazelle]

THAT THERE

CANNED ABIS FROM?

WHY IS IT STAY

[shut hornet]

canned abis was everyones favourite joke from this quest so it just Had to be in the rework

[hybrid gazelle]

WEED

IT'S WEED

GUYS IT'S WEED

IS NOT IT FUNNY?

[shut hornet]

this was 2015

so yes

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah I forgot how long ago it was

goddd

[shut hornet]

by the way you needed to be wearing the clearsight spectacles in order to actually go to the realm of light

it was a helmet

once you were there you could take them off but still

it was fine though because the realm of light had literally nothing going on at all in it

outside of the quest there was NOTHING

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean it sitll has nothign beside raid and proff LOL

WE too Ig

[shut hornet]

like, a shitty town that barely functions as a town and like 3 hostile mobs

[shut hornet]

it also has a couple eco caves

its better than it was back then

and also

the current one just generally feels a lot more complete

theres not really any wasted space

the old realm of light was MASSIVE, like, about 2 olux swamps long and yet it had literally NOTHING going on

the quest also made you explore it with little guidance to find 2 parasites and kill them

so you would just be like

aimlessly walking around this massive soulless area

and then the reward for your efforts is this big ass rock that says "coming soon"

[shut hornet]

behold, all of the normal hostile overworld mobs from the old realm of light

i was not exaggerating when i said that there were 3

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf

tbh I still see like

the current ROL mobs lacking

the one that added in 2.1 good tho

it just

the old one still there

[shut hornet]

there were these corrupted areas that had more mobs but most of them were just spiders

[hybrid gazelle]

spider jumpscare

ngl sakura ent and shit just mad boring I kinda expect more like

out of the world enviroment in ROL

the one we see in current ROL feel like osmething that would exist in gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

no way

corruption

[shut hornet]

whats crazy about gavel is that it kind of failed to deliver any super challenging bosses besides the orange wybel

i remember when i first fought the devourer of light i was scared because it was level 100 but then it ended up being a total joke

[shut hornet]

like, wynn before it had shit like CoW and Bob

those bosses were iconic because they were so difficult

and then gavel released and had nothing of the sort

pretty wild

[hybrid gazelle]

damn

Another Gavel L

[surreal flax]

qira?

[hexed nova]

Omg I remember this 😔

[surreal flax]

the red pill

[regal spire]

You’re forgetting big butch!

And Veekhat, don’t forget him

[shut hornet]

right

no super challenging bosses besides qira and the orange wybel

[drifting aurora]

this wasnt even there on gavel release

[candid fox]

ummmm naragath???

[shut hornet]

naragath might have been hard but i wouldnt know because i fought him on a mage which meant i could just sit at the top of the stairway into his arena and kill him from up there

i heard he was rough for melee classes

[candid fox]

ive never fought him lol

i joined after gavel reborn

[shut hornet]

well as stated his arena was very poorly designed

[molten escarp]

super dangerous characters in lore defeated by game mechanics and marginal height differences

[regal spire]

Actually, there were some bosses around 1.13 and a bit of 1.14 that I believe were bugged, which made them insanely busted. The Treasure Guardian in Beneath the Depths was almost impossible on melee orientated builds, since it just spammed arrow storm nonstop

[small sluice]

big butch and veekhat 🥲 ❤️‍🩹

[small sluice]

i joined during gavel reborn

only reason why i know the old pre 1.20 quests is js bcuz of old wynncraft videos and the wiki lol

[hexed nova]

Veekhats udder

[hasty spoke]

It’s funny how new I am to wynncraft and yet I still feel like 2.0 was forever ago. Got lvl 103 before 2.0, whatever update right before 2.0 is when I started

[regal spire]

2.0 was 3 years ago, if I’m remembering right, which is basically 1/4th of the games lifespan

[hasty spoke]

Wait really?

I thought at least four

Oh god

[regal spire]

Might be off on that, but Wynn should be around 12 years old, maybe 13

Ik I’ve been playing for 10 years

[hasty spoke]

wow

[regal spire]

Wait, 11

Lmao, always forget about pre 1.13

[hasty spoke]

I can barely remember pre 2.0 wynncraft and I played so much of it

[regal spire]

1.20 was one of my favs, tbh, just for the fact that that’s when I actually started really building, not making shit like hybrid the exploited

[hasty spoke]

I remember later I realized all my newer profiles were just morph, so I started trying to use what I learned and thoughtfully build my gear...but I guess in the end what works best for me is lightbender go brr

[regal spire]

I was using tstack for basically all of 1.20 (less so in 1.19). That’s what basically introduced me to playstyles and building, because tstack was just so good for TCC and on assassin

[hasty spoke]

...is tstack a building site? I avoid using builder sites just cause I think it’s fun to experiment to figure out what works and go off meta ...tldr my build is disgusting and probably terrible

[regal spire]

No, it’s a playstyle

Stands for tier stack, meaning you stack tiers on a sslow/vslow high damage item to make use of its melee potential

[hasty spoke]

Oh attack speed I see sorry

[regal spire]

Same goes for stuff like cancel stack, heavy melee, etc

Tstack was just super friggen busted on assassin, for basically its whole life until 2.0. TCC just had stonewalker, which turned it into 150k dps basically, which meant you killed everything

For context, I think TCC had around 15-18m health, at the time

Maybe less, idr since it was almost half a decade ago

[eternal helm]

tbh they need just a lil extra quest similar to this

[dim plover]

Humor is subjective

Lots of people found it funny so it stayed

I just realized this message was from a day ago

[dim plover]

Glad I got those images before they got wiped

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont really care if it funny or not I just think it out of place for the tone the quest is going for

[dim plover]

I think I still have a replay recording of the entire Realm

[hybrid gazelle]

there time to be funny and there is time to be not funny

[dim plover]

Idk I didn’t notice a tone change

It wasn’t that big of a tone breaker

[hybrid gazelle]

people tend to take shit less seriously when they know they been finding weed

but then again I rather not waste time trying to convince you

[dim plover]

The only criticism I have is that the Canned Abis should have a custom model where it’s a moderately-sized plant whose fruits are literally metal cans of pixelated green contents as labels

Because as of now they’re literally just the fern block

I think

[dim plover]

You probably just need to accept that you are one of the few people that took this too seriously

That message sounds really dismissive tbh

(If anything this is the very first time I’ve ever seen someone point out Canned Abis in a way that they didn’t find humorous)

Like, it’s a funny one-second joke in an otherwise decently sized quest

The quest wasn’t even that serious???

I mean the plot was serious but not serious serious

[torn kindle]

I found it strange too tbh

Not that it giga matters, but it seemed out of place indeed

[swift saddle]

i liked this quest

[regal spire]

Where did the gay husbands go? And Ollie? Would love for those to make a guest appearance in another simpler fetch quest

[shut hornet]

ollie is actually still in the game, he's in the light forest ultimate discovery

[regal spire]

This kinda confused me, because didn’t this specific cutscene happen a while ago? How old is Ollie in this recollection, and does that explain why he’s not here in the present?

[regal spire]

Who did Hadal lore?

And, I think it’s interesting how a lot of water mythics reference some kind of terrible weight and metaphorical pull, whether on the holder itself attached to another concept, or a pull to the ocean itself

I think spring is the only one without some kind of greater concept, with Nirvana being a bit more unique in its reference to “weight”

[molten escarp]

the dagger that makes you into a Hollow Knight....

[regal spire]

The dagger that induces a “lofty” feeling (weight reference )

[hybrid gazelle]

Writing of ROL finish now

jsut need some minor touch up and long hiatus to let it shimmer

Like a long shimmer

[hexed nova]

Spring references winter but is named spring

[regal spire]

Did they change the lore? All I recall it saying is that it’s basically a cool bow that shoots ice arrows that weaken enemies

Seems to have gotten a lil update, but it’s just a less analytical description of it

I’d love if the weapon was reworked to reference the winter to spring rain showers prevalent in northern, coastal areas of the world

[warm flicker]

the "O" in Ollie stands for omnipresent, he is there at every pivotal moment in gavel history if u look close enough

[regal spire]

Didn’t have the clearsight spectacles to see this, if only

[hasty spoke]

It also stands for orphion

[regal spire]

Incredible

[full bough]

i mean its a lot easier to make offmeta/silly builds if you know what the build will look like/what items would be good for it(the most popular building site rn has a much easier to use item searcher)
but to each their own i sucrose

[eternal helm]

me when i cant see anything

all the NPCs there dont exist

shaders off too dont work

[eternal helm]

tbh i really like this idea

like tbh one of the things that got me to play wynn was the 1.19 trailer, and one of the things that does exist as its just the mines but looked 10x bigger in the trailer was the mine road https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mbPXzvFyIs
0:51

[true token]

Is the connection between the void and ahmsord purely because of the colossus making it?

Like, did the ahmsord colossus tear a massive hold in reality which.. is bigger than the one dern is making? From what i know?

Or was the void always there and the colossus effectively cut a hole into the pizza that is wynn and wynn is just a big flat bit of land floating in the void held together by.. something

Or more fun theory, the void is simply a massive cave system so big it comes across like a place between dimensions

[hushed obsidian]

the colossus tore a hole in reality during the event called the "shattering" 1000 years ago

[true token]

Damn, bro’s strong af then, doesnt this mean the tcc we’re fighting is capable of that?

Kinda figured the void was always below ahmsord n area was thin/weaker n connected to it easier or something

[dim plover]

Wait was it

Does Ahmsord just have a naturally weak fabric of reality or smth

So the colossus could tear a hole out into the Void

[true token]

Idk, that’s what i kinda figured/assumed, im not too knowledgable on the lore it’s just that if the player can fight a colossus than it probably couldnt tear a hole in reality

Like the void areas by cur tcc i kinda just took as tcc waking up n shaking the rock loose n causing it to fall into the void

[dim plover]

Then who made the hole into the void in the first place

Like, before all the land was over it

[true token]

I mean, hear me out. Big cave with mole people. That or the reality under ahmsord and cotl was already thin due to whoever making the colossi draining the land of its magic/power to create them either by powering them via the land, the land itself being used up to repair them, etc etc

Again idrk the lore well im just wondering if there’s a known explanation

[hybrid gazelle]

what if we dont hear you out

what if we just kill you

WARGHHH

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I dont think Colossi drain magic

it just poke hole reality and that hole become fracture

and that pretty much it

also IDK man let's not bring up a new spieces into the mix if we dont even know they exist, we have enough of throw away one

[shut hornet]

we have tried so hard to fix this

yesterday i potentially figured out the issue but theres no way to fix it consistently if im right

which is SO cool

[shut hornet]

man this trailer is pretty sick

crazy that its from like 6 years ago now

[rustic nexus]

yes, however it's likely more powerful since it can reach even the molten heights with it's earthquakes. npcs literally say it could shatter half of gavel

[eternal helm]

Fr I love it

That + grians Wynn videos of Memory Panoria, the Halloween” one (grave mistake) and an iron heart got me to play Wynn

[eternal helm]

if you wanna dm me I can try to figure out why idk., I mess with commands etc so idk exactly how Wynn functions but I could MAYBE try to help(?)

I’m assuming you already tried and accounted for persistence required tags so the entities stay there? (Tho they’re models so idt this tag matters but might as well?)

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL rewrite rough draft is actually done jfc

I need a long hiatus at least while the feedback piling up

there already some change I would like to make

Here Eih post quest dialogue

Eih dialogue is like so fucking rough

because I have not decide if he should have the same quirk as the OG eih

but at the same time OG Eih is so fucking hard to work with

[eternal helm]

Tbh I like it

I do kind of like that RoL feels a lil desolate when you go there though

maybe once you defeat orphion then you could talk to Eih or a messenger as they feel safe enough to go to the nexus in RoL now

idk

Also why Interloper(?)

Bc doesn’t it kinda mean like

A person who is in a place where they aren’t wanted

but orphion WANTS the player there to save him

And he asks the player save me. in rol 4

and chooses you as the pulse to go there lol

[shut hornet]

wynn doesnt really function on commands anymore lol

[eternal helm]

Yea I didn’t expect it to- there has to be some overlap tho no?

[shut hornet]

i dont think command blocks have really been used for anything since like 1.20.3

[shut hornet]

i dont really do command stuff but tmk not really

[eternal helm]

I mean commands as a whole or command blocks

Bc command blocks yea those aren’t great esp for a large scale project like Wynn

[shut hornet]

anyway the bug with the npcs is an issue with determining whether or not the chunks are properly loaded and it may not be fixable consistently

[shut hornet]

cmbs and commands

[eternal helm]

But commands in datapack format etc. I would still imagine is used- no?

[shut hornet]

we dont use datapacks either

[eternal helm]

Dang- maybe smtn to do with the players game mode ?

like you’re invisible / in that camera spectator mode

[shut hornet]

i understand the issue better than this but am not sure how much i can elaborate

[eternal helm]

maybe bc of that game mode it doesn’t think there’s a player there idk

fair enough lmaoo

just trying to help but if yall don’t use datapacks I probs can’t help as I only work w/ those and just mc knowledge lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

the player here are consider as interloper because they are outsider that have meddle with something beyond themselves

and also to esablish the disconnect between the Light

Eih and Orphion never refer Lari or Player by name

just only their role

The player is called interloper because they are not part of the war

also tbh ast the moment I just have the interloper as place holder until I find better word

[eternal helm]

fair

tbh if i could choose my dialogue

id be like

"orphion address me by name and give me some fking respect and then ill come save u from the tick ok?"

[hybrid gazelle]

lol yeah it really show how like disconnect they are

[hybrid gazelle]

Also for this

During the quest if you get to rol

It’s a war zone

[eternal helm]

yea kinda

but

idk

it feels like

somber and not that chaotic

less chaotic than the DnD war

[hybrid gazelle]

The rol in this take place during tbe siege

Aka parasite still presence outside the Nexus

So a lot of thing are more chaotic

The story of this take is a lot different than the oh

[eternal helm]

?

[hybrid gazelle]

Auto correct Goddamit

Basically

The story of this if RoL have different tone compare to original

Some intention in original quest may not get carry over

[eternal helm]

r u saying that if you do Ne du Valeos du Ellach before NoL you are witnessing the future?

that orphion was only infected by the parasite for like

1 day

[hybrid gazelle]

This is not taking secret discovery in mind

Just imagine them as being change to fit the rewrite

Someday I might do secret discovery fan remake

[eternal helm]

tbh the way I envisioned the lore in-game was at 0AP was when the darkness tornados invaded the light forest and Lari fought the parasite, as the parasite burrowed into the ground thats when the parasite struck orphion in the RoL as its a replica of the realm itself, the parasites infested the world, and the parasite infested orphion, as the real world parasites ate and wrecked and drained the light from the world the realm of light shrunk and got smaller as their influence was smaller

is that not correct?

[hybrid gazelle]

If you talk about canon wise I have 0 fucking idea

[eternal helm]

lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

But in tjis take it’s less like that and more of the parasite after emerge from heart of decay

It would go to the gate after breaching through Lari’s barrier

And then manage to overwhelm the guardian and enter the gate

I change this because

I really fucking hate the fact that Parasite can just

Pull portal out of its ass

And just go to rol

I pretty sure thst what happen in secret discovery

And that just such lazy way to do it thst why I am not consider secrect discovery

[pliant plank]

Ehy is the ocean so boring

[cold cove]

Because it is very old

[neat oriole]

my pulse

[warm flicker]

i NEED to see the full document

[hybrid gazelle]

Cureerntly just only avalible to beta reader LOL

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/agony-gif-23084585

[candid fox]

is btb canon

[haughty birch]

as much as anything is
I've been told that item lore aren't canon.

[dim plover]

Wait what

Why do people think Wynncraft uses commands/ datapacks

Is the idea of Minecraft servers using plugins by default just lost knowledge now

[eternal helm]

i thought they used both

😭

[dim plover]

I mean, I guess they did?

Wynncraft used to use command blocks but I think it’s only for like, large block animations

Like the opening of doors and all that

[hybrid gazelle]

The plan after the break for rol rewrite is thst

I have to scatter the backstory cutscene through the quest befause like

The idea originally was to put them all together in one

But then I realize that shit is too fucking long

So I feel like having them scatter a bit throughout the gameplay section could be good

I thinking about showing bit of Dullahan and Lari relationship and have direct comparison of how they are now could be neat

And build up the idea of who Dullahan was

And then have the whole revived execution and Lazarus pit as a surprise reveal later

My issue with painting is a way to justify its existence

Honeslty I just shift it into Dullahan store his memory into these painting to view it again and again to reinforce his hate and goal befause bro literally got nothing else to do in thst castle for centuries

Probably try to explain thst in his conversation with lari

[small sluice]

yo

i js did fantastic voyage

so like whos nilrem?

[hybrid gazelle]

good question

we dont know\

Wynncraft vague lore posting strike again

[fierce bronze]

merlin backwards

[gray tendon]

Some guy that bob liked and wrote letters to

[dim plover]

Oh I never actually made that connection

[eternal helm]

who tf is Merlin tho

i once thought that Nilrem was like Old Man Martyn or smtn

bc he was said to "have known bob"

[cerulean osprey]

if you ever read or watched King Arthur movies or books he is a magician

[eternal helm]

but like

how does that have to do with wynn,,,,

[hybrid gazelle]

nothing

It just random ass name from popular literature

that they just happen to reference

that just mean nothing

it like how CHaron is a reference to Greek mytho

even tho Charon in WYnncraft and in Greek mytho share literally nothing

I mean Charon in Wynncraft hav elike

that one boat section

and that it

[boreal spade]

And how witherhead is a ref to you irl

[hybrid gazelle]

Old Man Martyn in similar spot

where he is like

such a nothing

I feel like the fact noobdy ask about Martyn or even bring him up is showing how unintresting he was as a mystery

[eternal helm]

i asked about him many times and tried thinking abt who he was but theres no lore for him so

unlike Sohso

[hybrid gazelle]

baiscally what happen when you leave 0 bread crumbs people to go off

litearlly Sohso has some thing to think upon because he is one of the 4 brothers

Martyn just got nothing

TBH even Sohso I literally like

als odo not get why he going to Fruma of all place

but then again he is probably insane

like bro being villager and try to get into the "no villager" empire territory

is he stupid

[eternal helm]

uhh

sohso i think is VERY important in fruma lore

the 4 brothers worked for Gavel Excavation before Gavel Excavation fired a bunch of people and started focusing on wynn. The 4 brothers also went insane studying the crystals, MINUS Mehme and Sohso at a point in time, because Mehme was writing coherent sentences and noticed his other brothers went insane:

Sohso hopefully makes it out alive, seeming that he hasnt gone insane just yet, and that he was going to Fru- (if this isnt Fruma idfk what is)

my point being

[hybrid gazelle]

DEPEND if they willing to make a character from literally most optional and inaccessible quest in the game

[eternal helm]

Sohso.... who worked as a scientist and studied meteors that made people lose their minds and go crazy.... went to fruma..... recently.... as fruma has been sending soldiers to Wynn all with no memories...... recently

[hybrid gazelle]

because I pretty sure you only know of Sohso existence from ???

and also consider how outdated the wynnex storyline is and anything related to it

not saying it impossible

[eternal helm]

something makes me think Sohso went to fruma to introduce these meteors powers and they harnessed it for memory erasing

[hybrid gazelle]

but rn I just kinda ehhhh

[eternal helm]

yes but, wynnex kinda just branches off, the gavel excavation is just like, ok we r wynnex now goodbye 4 villager brothers

so like

[hybrid gazelle]

the fruma border was open in 900 AP

the time wherethe 4 brothers gone insane is 950 AP

[hybrid gazelle]

it still related to that storyline so yeah

I have my dbout

Sohso defintiely going to appear

[eternal helm]

yea this was the only flaw in my idea

but i feel like the evidence is too heavy that like

[hybrid gazelle]

it definitely is a huge flaw LOL

[eternal helm]

idk

[hybrid gazelle]

like very HUGE flaw

but then again

you have a chance

because wynncraft timeline kinda shit

so there is a possiblity that the timeline just being stupid

[eternal helm]

i feel like SOMEHOW Sohso brought the white meteor shard and his knowledge to Fruma, and they used it to erase peoples minds

[eternal helm]

yea

xd

[hybrid gazelle]

but 900 and 950 AP definitely far apart

and I feel like

they pretty dead set on fruma openning border around 900 AP

as we seen in new lore drop

[hybrid gazelle]

well again the problem is that we barely establish what meteor do

like

tha thte thing about weynncraft

they introduce thesee concept and barely elborate upon

so we really not sure if the meteor shit can be related to memory erasing thing

it definitely make peopel amd

but according to info that we know the cosmic magic only driven people mad due to the sheer incompressiblity of it

[eternal helm]

wdym?

[hybrid gazelle]

whic h is fukcing stupid because shit like taht definitely would not make gerts

[eternal helm]

(also btw when Fruma trailer releases... im not gonna watch it.. i wanna go in BLIND af lmao)