📚lore_discussion

[hybrid gazelle]

Jungle discovery probably when they get to the jungle as they remaking the mid game

[eternal helm]

I hope

It’s a place I feel like

[hybrid gazelle]

Jungle is so outdated

[eternal helm]

I just really wanna see more lore

[shut hornet]

idk it kind of doesnt really serve any purpose in the world

its just content for the sake of content

[eternal helm]

jungle honestly is one of my favorite places

Dernel mainly

[hybrid gazelle]

if that the case sure lOL

[shut hornet]

it is also definitely underutilized

[hybrid gazelle]

I still would say there a lot of idea you could do for Corkus to feel like part of the world

[shut hornet]

it has like. what. 5 quests?

[swift saddle]

dernel jungle is sooo underutalized

[hybrid gazelle]

I have so many fucking idea in Wartorn

[swift saddle]

jungle too ig

[eternal helm]

Make it tie into fruuummmaaa

[hybrid gazelle]

the jungle is so old I dont think they can make any secrect discovery to it

because llike

[shut hornet]

jungle secret discoveries will happen eventually tm

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think any thing in the jungle will stay LOL

[shut hornet]

i hate dernel jungle

[hybrid gazelle]

question

[shut hornet]

worst area in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

is Worrid born in the jungle or is he like

you know

doing the thing

[shut hornet]

no idea

we should probably. change him

[eternal helm]

what actually???

I love it tbh

It’s so small but feels so grand

[hybrid gazelle]

Dernel jungle is such fukcing mess

jungle as a whole actaully

[eternal helm]

I love dernel..

[shut hornet]

its so ugly and doesnt feel distinct from the regular jungle in any meaningful way and the mobs are just so annoying

[hybrid gazelle]

PLEASE JUST MAKE THE NATIVES BEING OLM DESCENDENT

that would fix most of their lore

[eternal helm]

Ok fair but I’m mainly speaking lore wise

like

[hybrid gazelle]

even then

lore in the jungle is pretty bad?

[eternal helm]

It feels so mysterious and unique

[shut hornet]

lore wise it also has like nothing going on

[hybrid gazelle]

you got like jungle natives which is like

wow

you got slykaar that like

someone who wrote hi mis on crack

[shut hornet]

theres the wynnexcavation stuff which is ancient and crusty

and thats about it

[hybrid gazelle]

that too

yeah

jungle just got nothing going for it LOL

beside it being extremely old

[eternal helm]

there’s also that one cave with some excavator

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that wynne

wynnex

[eternal helm]

But my main point being the caves and chests there are secret too and it just feels so much more fun to explore

It’s so small but feels SO BIG

Also sodeta guild

[hybrid gazelle]

Sodeta guild just exist, I think they got underwhelm ending anyway

Imagine getting off by Deleme

or whoatever the fuck that is

😭

[eternal helm]

Yea needs to be reworked

[shut hornet]

Dramele

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah that guy

worse fucking fate

[eternal helm]

But again my point being, the dernel jungle is small but it just feels so expansive

Like it feels more than, what? 300 blocks across?

[hybrid gazelle]

In wartorn I just make jungle being like one for all battle with corruption, Troms, and the jungle itself

wait

[shut hornet]

i think we can rework dernel to be good but yknow. Fruma

[hybrid gazelle]

old ass shit

[eternal helm]

Wynncraft: Lore Reborn update when

[shut hornet]

every update introduces new lore in some way

[dim plover]

Hi

[shut hornet]

2.1 in some ways elaborated on corruption lore

and also introduced. Other stuff

[hybrid gazelle]

in wartorn I just make the entire jungle being change by olms after their escape from Dern

so basically tree have like

tree sap sac that create synthetic creature to be guardian

that why lifeforms in the jungle are wild and weird

[eternal helm]

Wdym,,, lol

[dim plover]

Do not put the words “WynnEx” and “rework” in the same conversation that’s how you summon me

[hybrid gazelle]

because half of them are synthetic creature created by olms

[hybrid gazelle]

stuff like devils

[eternal helm]

But like… this is what I mean by small but feels SO EXPANSIVE and why I love it

[hybrid gazelle]

Dernel probably look better when they remake it

[hybrid gazelle]

I hope they play into the idea of Troms fighting against corruption as they pushing through the jungle

[eternal helm]

Can someone translate I don’t speak dogun

[hybrid gazelle]

I even have flamethrower unit LOL

there al ot of idea can be do with Troms

I just want Troms to be green hell

and Dernel jungle is a part of the jungle that not corrupted as outer jungle

like my diea for jungle remake is that it's not just become battleground

but long before Corruption War

after Olms escaped from Dern, they have change and modify the jungle itself to be basically battlefort against Dern in case it come back for them

however after olms were long gone, the jungle itself still operate

thing gone peaceful for a bit as human establish Troms nad stuff

hwoever when Corruption War begin and corruption start reaching its way to the jungle

Corruption being created from Light and Dark would trigger the jungle defense system

onward it would become battleground for Troms, Corruption, and jungle itself

[eternal helm]

Huh

[hybrid gazelle]

the Tromsian army having to fight hteir way through the jungle and try to stop Corruption from reaching their fortress

while the jungle being influence by corruption essentailly going berserk and treat everyone as invader

so it become this hostile green hell that just turn anyone into red mist for stepping into the wrong foliage

Dernel jungle on the other hand is deeper part of the jungle that yet to be influence by the corruption

however it still heavily wander by hostile wildlifes to ensure Entamis Tree which is center and heart of the jungle to be safe from Corruption

[eternal helm]

Interesting

speaking of the jungle btw

https://discord.com/channels/143852930036924417/1416708336673357935

shameless self promo :3

[hybrid gazelle]

also jungle natives being olmic descendents

I imagine that olms when they establish in city in dernel jungle

they would at least have children to try to regain their day

however to spare them from the madness, they decide to exile their children while the originlap opulation that escape from Dern lock in their city

and their children would later become the natives and later help Troms establishing itself

stuff like Fountain of Youth would also be responsible by them

attempting to reverse their age to make them forget about Dern yet failed

[eternal helm]

this is all just making me more impatient for fruma lol

I know when the trailer comes out I’m not gonna be able to focus on anything other than when fruma is releasing

[dim plover]

Am I an adequate substitution

[vestal rivet]

metal as hell
when are you being promoted to head writer

[hybrid gazelle]

5000 years in the future

[vestal rivet]

Silksong/DR wait #3 tokyo drift

[pallid rain]

Who's Alco?

[regal spire]

Shipping company

[pallid rain]

Shipping who?

(theory: Alco is Seaskipper Captain's name)

[regal spire]

It’s just a company that ships out construction grade materials, boxes of general items, etc

Alco brothers is the name of the company, implying that there are multiple people in the family with the last name Alco. That’s basically all there is to it

[cerulean osprey]

and if you switch the letters around you get cola brothers shipbuilding

[molten escarp]

anagram of undertale

[exotic bough]

teldunera

[deft seal]

what is this "Fall of the Twins" reference? https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Grand_Archive

[rotund sphinx]

Twains
That's the entire Nessack storyline

[hybrid gazelle]

doing new project while putting ROL rewrite on hiatus to get some experience LOL

rn I just trying to edit some quest in the game rn to make it work better for the narrative of player being a recruit

not finalize rn but this is the direction going for

change little as much as possible while still mantainning the context

[mortal cave]

Is it confirmed that the Teki people are hobbits

[hybrid gazelle]

huh

wtfi s Teki

oh those mobs

IDFK lmao they just exist I guess

Trying to adjust early quest as much as possible

I dont really know what time it is good for player get out of the army

that really up to the future update

[wet vault]

Can someone drop a google docs with all the lore of Wynn

I wanna read before sleeping

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think that exist

[fleet hemlock]

alco? like aloc acoc?

[soft radish]

I'm certain that there's a video essay or two on youtube, but not a flat document

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah but those are outdated

and one of them from what I remember just literally read off the wiki and pretty low quality

[exotic yew]

Wha

[regal spire]

That says twins, which is in reference to Gavellian history of the war that broke out between two brothers

[hybrid gazelle]

slightly adjust and including entirely new NPC to expand the world building

[warm adder]

can someone explain the lore of silent expanse

[wispy bay]

olm live there

dern beast send some meteors n shit

They leave

darkness stuff

miners go in

Silverbull monetizes it

[deft seal]

Two brothers?

[regal spire]

Read the lore

[deft seal]

I don’t know of any gavel war that is between two brothers

https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Gavel_Province#Dogun_War

Not in the wiki either

[quartz mist]

There's an excerpt about it in the cinfras grand archive

[regal spire]

It’s in the discovery you sent, it’s just written as a poem. It’s a part of gavels history referenced in that discovery, alongside some Old Lexdale stuff—I believe.

[deft seal]

Ok yeah ik, I’m asking who are the twins that the discovery mentions?

[regal spire]

Two rulers of gavel, that’s it

We don’t have much info on them

[dim plover]

There’s so much Wynncraft lore that falls under “never appeared, mentioned, or a part of any quest or commonly-done game content to a significant degree”

(Between that and “well-known character by the community” Skien is in the middle of the spectrum)

Where he’s technically the focus of an entire island the player can choose to explore deeper for at least one quest and the fact that he’s an Altar Boss

And yet anyone who doesn’t dive into the abyss of obscure lore doesn’t know who on earth he is and why he’s important

Anyways that and a buncha other characters in the timeline I saw like the funny Cinfras debacle

And whatever else big event happened before 0 AP that is never directly mentioned in a quest or secret discovery

(Barring like, optional reading material in said secret discoveries)

Anyways assuming you haven’t been planning this already it would be nice to have the obscure lore characters eventually make a full appearance in new quests, flashbacks or otherwise
Nice revival of old forgotten Wynnlore

[drifting aurora]

?

what are you talking about

[vestal rivet]

that would be cool if I knew all of the obscure wynn characters

[hybrid gazelle]

What

This is lore channel

[solid fable]

Are you implementing the avos bracelet into wartorned

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure

[hybrid gazelle]

rewrite sergeant klafson

Like I remove the new NPC thing and just rewite sergeant klafson instead

because the tunnel is better use

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh it's ver yrough idea to try to uitlize wynncraft premise more

[warm adder]

what happened to wynnexcavation after you did site d quest

[hybrid gazelle]

They still exist but kinda got fuck over now thst their leader is dead

Though Ragni king still keep tab on them to see if they going to stir any more trouble

[warm adder]

e

i need fruma

lore

more lore

more quests

[hybrid gazelle]

Okay?

[warm adder]

a

[hybrid gazelle]

There llevigar secrecy library archivist

He got some info about fruma that newly added

[regal spire]

Likely heavily disbanded after the catastrophic failure that was Wynn Exc. There might be remnants of their division within the government, like scientists and agents sent to watch over cosmic activity/the meteors, but, as for the Wynn division that escalated the events of the quest, there’s a very high chance they’ve all been dispersed, maybe even ousted from both Gavel and Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

Reading into early quest sometime for dialogue fixing

The rally funny thst Tasim essentially commit crimes right out of the gate

[regal spire]

I wouldn’t mind a follow up Wynn excavation secret discovery/random event, one that’s tied to completing all 4 quests and shows a lower ranking official—maybe Amadel’s admin or whatever his name was—scrambling to get by and keep up what was lost

[hybrid gazelle]

We probably not getting anything about Wynnex until it get rewrite

[regal spire]

Fair enough, it’s due time

[hybrid gazelle]

Well except sosho

Tasim actually commit some crime here Jesus

[regal spire]

What if Sohso was effected by the meteors, but 100% believes themself to be a human, or is completely obsessed with humans

Each brother has a weird obsession, each with varying levels of stability and cognitive function, with mehme—imo—being the most effected as of now

[hybrid gazelle]

The thing is that their obessession was from their hobby

And sohso can’t develop obessession for human

If he

Never met one

Wait

What year this happen in?

[regal spire]

When did the brothers go coocoo again? I pretty sure it was around the time human villager relations were established

[hybrid gazelle]

950 ap

[regal spire]

Sohso could’ve been a higher ranking official that maintained diplomatic alliances and general cultural integration, but that’s a bit of a stretch

[hybrid gazelle]

Oh she can meet human

Even then

That would imply his hobby invovle human

Which is like

wtf does that mean

[regal spire]

Human trafficking lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure if you want sohso to be utterly disgusting character

[regal spire]

That, or maybe sohso was enamored by human culture, and was generally one of the more social of the 4 brothers, doing all of the discussion, diplomacy, and social gatherings that would be necessary for a scientific company to be established anywhere near Wynn

I’m mainly interested in why Sohso would’ve gone to Fruma, of all places

[hybrid gazelle]

Is not he just a researcher

Why would a researcher do diplomat with humans if his job just studying the meteor in gavel

Like his brothers

[regal spire]

That’s another hole, since there’s absolutely nothing to support his reasoning for going to Fruma

Other than, of course, research

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they will explain it somehow

But like

[regal spire]

I hope so

[hybrid gazelle]

Him obessession human is just eh

[regal spire]

I’d like to see how they’d integrate it

If that’s what they decided on

[hybrid gazelle]

Yahya obessession with mushroom yet he move to Wynn

So like

He could just want to fruma like how yahya could just want to go to Wynn

[regal spire]

Like, mehme being obsessed with homes is a bit weird, too. Was he an interior designer? A residential architect? What birthed that

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean that sound more reasonable

Like maybe he just interest in architecture before his insanity

[regal spire]

He’s also specific to say he loves his “wooden home”

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean wooden architecture can be a hobby? Like woodworking and stuff

[regal spire]

Surely, though, he would have something in his lab to showcase his interest with that? It’s weirdly personal, the way he depicts this super advanced lab as a humble, wooden cabin

It’s distinctly different from Nohno and Yahya

[hybrid gazelle]

This is like old ass quest on top of old quest storyline so lol

[regal spire]

True true

[hybrid gazelle]

Idk how to justify it

[regal spire]

I’d justify it as somehow, their vicinity to magical/cosmic influence is what determines their devolution

[warm adder]

do you think we will somehow bring tasim to fruma when it releases as a quest

[hybrid gazelle]

Meteor lore is god awful anyway

[warm adder]

just random

thought

[hybrid gazelle]

They likely will

Tasim just been on ice for a while rn and he said to take interest in fruma

So yeah

Very likely he would be part of fruma storyline

[regal spire]

Mehme is basically a vegetable, imo, with a lab directly in/under a meteor. He can only relate to one mehmeory () of their home, and the love he had for his brothers. Somehow, his madness took the loving connection to whatever his interest in homes, architecture, woodworking, and put that single concept as his obsession, forgoing everything else in the process

[warm adder]

where in gavel do u think he’s in

[hybrid gazelle]

Check his festival dialogue

He all over it

[warm adder]

will he learn about aledar elphaba and the other dude

[hybrid gazelle]

Very liekly

It would be a waste if he not

[warm adder]

was sad

aledar

[regal spire]

Wynn’s got a lot of crystals around it, alongside his obsession likely relating to his hallucinogenic personality, whilst Nohno is basically locked away from everything, being on an island in the middle of the ocean

[warm adder]

he’s just traveling?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah

[regal spire]

So, that could have a play on their obsessions, tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

Surprise how he manage to travel

Consider he commit more crime than Aledar somehow

[warm adder]

wonder what people of fruma will think once we enter

[hybrid gazelle]

I

Idk lol

[regal spire]

“Bro what the hell, who is this decked out dude”

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean why would they even care the crime I mention happen in Wynn anyway

[regal spire]

Probably similar to how past Wynn folk reacted to us, likely with a bit more fear

[hybrid gazelle]

Tasim not being wanted man is very surprising

[hybrid gazelle]

What since when

[regal spire]

Fate of the beyond or whatever

They comment on how powerful we look, and that we must be of Twain origin

[hybrid gazelle]

Huh the mini game?

Oh not that

Fate of the fallen?

[regal spire]

I’ve forgotten what the quest is called, the Nesaak dungeon quest

Yeah, that

[hybrid gazelle]

They just said you look powerful

I don’t think there hint of fear?

[regal spire]

I’m referring to how they’d react similarly to us, in Fruma, but probably with way more suspicion/fear

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean sure I guess

[warm adder]

we got kicked out for a reason tho like tasim and aledar was involved in some sort of business (i think it was just tasim and aledar stumbled on him) and idk about the player tho in that one lv 20 quest we could not access the memories

wonder what the quest to get in fruma will be like tho

[regal spire]

If we have no past, then I’d think it’s highly likely no one will know us.

[warm adder]

there has to be a quest req

[regal spire]

Tasim might have family that recognize him

[warm adder]

yeah but like so the player just popped into existence?

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[warm adder]

has to have some backstory

[hybrid gazelle]

It just player is blank slate

Have anyone that could recognize us back in fruma would solidify player as chadacter

Therefore ruining the fact that they are blank slate

[warm adder]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

Player backstory is up to interreption

[warm adder]

dang

[hybrid gazelle]

I hope at least

[regal spire]

They might justify it as “we don’t know what you are, we just kinda found you half dead at the doorstep”. Makes it easier to have no past if the people who brainwashed you don’t even know where you came from

[hybrid gazelle]

It also easier to write player character having nothing so player themselves can make up their own story

[regal spire]

Just realized there might be another tutorial rework for fruma

[warm adder]

there should be some hints by people in fruma for like something

[warm adder]

what would the chenge

[regal spire]

Probably improved cinematic, but there could be an added bit of lore for alluding to Recover the Past

[hybrid gazelle]

No cause that ruin the point of blank slate

[warm adder]

a

but it doesn’t make sense

player has to come from somewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah they from fruma

[warm adder]

“we found you from the depths of skyblock”

[hybrid gazelle]

That base work you need

Make your own story

[regal spire]

I’m super interested in all the cool spray paint stuff in that sovereigns trailer

[hybrid gazelle]

Being from Fruma is literally all the foundation you need to make your own story

You can imagine yourself as living alone, have a family, or whatever

It’s your character

Make one

[regal spire]

Wonder where my family went

[warm adder]

your dad went to get the milk

[regal spire]

Hope I can find them when fruma drops

Dad went to get the burnmilk

[hybrid gazelle]

God I dreaded mercenary quest

Not even sure how to edit its dialogue

[warm adder]

what do the mercenaries in ragni do

like

seem kinda useless

other than following you and then leaving randomly

[hybrid gazelle]

What

I am talking about the quest

[dim plover]

I still like the idea of breaking the fourth wall, where the mage guy’s comment about us not having a life before entering Wynn was actually literal

[regal spire]

Pretty sure that line is in there ONLY to make fun of us. It’s unintended aftermath of having some kind of real ingame implication was entirely accidental

[woeful vigil]

nah its switched aledar was invlolved in shady stuff

[dim plover]

Still like the fourth wall idea tho

We were created as soon as a new save file starts

And everyone in Fruma who knew us was just implanted with Last Thursdayism

So when the Fruma memory wizards try to access our memories and find that we don’t have any actual memories from before we woke up in the caravan they become hella confused

They aren’t erased or anything, erasing memories leave traces

Ours straight-up never existed in the first place

[regal spire]

I like that idea alot, too, and I’ve been theorizing on my own that our characters origins will ultimately end up being a manufactured, “artificial” life

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH at first though I though I just go into infested plant and just change stuff

but changing stuff here mean more than other quezt

because the thing is that

when Tasim present himself as a soldier

he kinda like

committing extortion and pose as authority in Alekin territory

Idk if they going to address this

But for simplicity I gonna take this as writing mistake

[deft seal]

so the humans in corkus are from fruma as well, is it implied that they still have their memory and werent wiped like ours?

[hybrid gazelle]

no they still have hteir memory wipe

the only different for corkus is that

the corkian we have rn are DESCENDENT of the fruman that escape the border

while Wynn still ahve people who directly come from Fruma

[deft seal]

ohhhh

thx for the clarification

[hybrid gazelle]

Fruma's still wipe people memories so yeah

[wispy bay]

ie corkus has been around a while as a separate colony

[hybrid gazelle]

okay so during working on queset editing

I think it better to categorize quests by how player present themselves

I think quest like supply and delievery should be one where it present player as being good neighbour, person, or whatever and just do thing to help out peple

but they would not be address as soldier during these quest

While there also quest that literally millitary work in which they actually would be address as soldier

[slender copper]

More of a lore question but... what happened to Tasim in the later quests? I would assume they are alive and helping around like Aledar had with certain missions separate from us.

[hybrid gazelle]

he is alive and well, you can talk to him in festival of the blizzard

he actually get to met Aledar then and there at one point

but overall Tasim not appearing in later quests is more

they did not have enough time to make quest

as area getting remake overtime, Tasim likely appear more in place like Gavel

[slender copper]

Oh, I see! Only recently joined in on the Festival of the Bondfire so I'll see till the next one if I can find them.

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah if you really want to know just go to wiki page

but overall Tasim and Aledar story is unfinish

some quest edit for mushroom man

The mercenary quest will be difficult one

and likely change the big info of the quest

[hybrid gazelle]

today I still confuse why like

if AMerigo does not want Detlas involve if he want the operation to be quiet and quickly as much as possible

why did he send a scout to get Detlas soldiers

into this operation

like why

[cold cove]

Why are the new messages constantly getting deleted

[slender copper]

Okay so it wasn't just me getting messages from here and there being none-

[unique hill]

a

well looks like it was fixed

lol

[molten escarp]

lore removed from the game

[shut mist]

i wonder when tasim is gonna learn we killed aledar

he also gives this to us

during a festival

[slender copper]

I have an idea after seeing this, let me go draw it.

[hybrid gazelle]

probably some climx point of fruma storyline

[shut mist]

probably

[hybrid gazelle]

also this imply that in wynncraft setting photography is pretty wide spread

enough that like

Wynn can have it

[cold cove]

Or at least the military in large cities

[hybrid gazelle]

Soldiers have wayyy better fucking thing to spent on than novelty I can assure you

and also other profession would have would likely to affording camera more than soldiers LOL

[cold cove]

true

[hybrid gazelle]

traders, merchants, and more probably likely going to afford camera

compare to soldiers that likely have to buy their own gears and mantain it

actually no they wont because the gears would be provide to them by army

but still mantain them and like

IDK using the money for their family necessity

I dont think lives in wynn will have that much luxury, closet thing is Detlas or Almuj

[solid crow]

NO WAY

lore DIsccusion is a thing????

since when

[turbid minnow]

so so we know who are the seaskipper captains siblings? and do we know why he was the one to be left the boat?

[woeful abyss]

like july

[solid crow]

dang

i have been asking for them to add this for ages

[woeful abyss]

yea july 29th

[hybrid gazelle]

We dknt know but we can just chalk it up to being good old classic favoritism

Sea skipper captain probably was not thst liked by his parents I guess

[turbid minnow]

wonder if the plot twist is that hes the lost prince of cinfras or llevinggar

[cold cove]

Seaskipper quest line when

[true eagle]

books in 2025

[dim plover]

Seaskipper Captain is Sohso theory moment

[regal spire]

I’m fine with that

[wet vault]

When are we getting catgirls to wynncraft lore

[tame sundial]

boo__ __ _0__

[hexed nova]

boo(fr) (um) (a)0(aa)

Ct confirmation of fruma

[candid fox]

hi mishka can i join your guild

[true eagle]

Yes! private message me to discuss the fees

[true eagle]

iwould have liked this message if i didnt have to pay for a rank to react

[hybrid gazelle]

Sure I guess like sure

[ornate summit]

[strange dew]

Idk can you

[lean wadi]

https://youtu.be/aEm26kawP4s?feature=shared

Daily reminder that the whole terrain of the toxic waste is a creature

Cool nuclear radiating barrels would be cool but nooo it just have to be a creature

[hybrid gazelle]

that event is pretty cool

[little frigate]

Was Sunstar intended to mimic Annihilation's New Sun

"Once known as the Doomsday Weapon, it was ultimately never used for its intended purpose - its solar focus was cracked upon the day of its completion."

[hybrid gazelle]

DEPEND when this lore was written

because items lore sometime if it was old

it very likely that the item lore is never meant to be canon

also apperantly it's meant to bee reference to Megaman so

LOL

[hybrid gazelle]

try to see how the idea could work out

[exotic bough]

2.1 iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

then idk lol

i read it for a bit

very vague'

[crimson ridge]

Unless the lore is new sunstar was made way before they even came up with annihilation probably

[little frigate]

Just thinking ingame wise

[hexed nova]

Why are we using reso lr

[wispy bay]

bro there’s so many loot run random events I’ve just never seen before, wtf

I just had a new thing happen to me the other day

[safe rover]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cinder pier]

wtf, never seen this one, it looks amazing

[quartz mist]

nope this is a mega man reference

[woeful abyss]

all mythic relik lore was added a bit into 2.1

[quartz mist]

i can confirm i was not thinking of anything except funny mega man robot

[hybrid gazelle]

I was about to make joke about megaman relevancy

but like I gave up

made these for fun

TBH I should have make a new cata lore a bit

[rustic nexus]

think cata being an olm thing could be interesting actually

[quick needle]

What do we know about ogres?

[hybrid gazelle]

Beside that one Shrek reference not much

We know they are related to orc, goblin, and troll

But only quest they have is that one Shrek reference quest

So they are like

Are not treated thst well in wynncraft lol

[regal spire]

They’re pretty much treated as pests, tbh. The swamps filled with angry, territorial ogres, whilst the canyon has some variation of trolls. They’re likely a significantly more primitive version of Orcs, with the Trolls seemingly even more primitive

[hybrid gazelle]

It just weird because the story that was told by zuett

Treat them all as equal

So like jt more

If you don’t have quest dedicate to you, you are not even sapient lmaooo

[quartz mist]

there are details about ogre courting in there that were meant to be taken seriously, but it being frickin Shrek doesnt help with it feeling like a joke

[hybrid gazelle]

Tbh I literally just thought it was also Shrek reference and just parodying the movie scene

Feel like having ogre hut spread throughout Olux would at least convey they actually sapient

Or maybe have ogre npc like idk, ogre merchant or whatever work

Tbh having them as mob also do not help because despite what the story thst zuett tell us

We always see ogres just pile up each other in a cave

Ogres would benefit a lot more if there less of them as normal mobs

Idk i thjnk they can stay as hostile if you space them out and treat them like average American trying to get kid off their lawn

Tbh “green skins” are in shamble rn anyway, they don’t even have a name and troll kinda take every design that other family member could have

It suck being them in wynncraft omg

[solar ingot]

i don't think we should be thinking too much about the ogre lore we have rn

[hybrid gazelle]

we dont but they still are sapient spieces in the lore

and the game ismply dont treat like one

It that we should be thinking too much

but at least the yshould at least present as sapient spieces

disregarding thing like this just mostly inconsiderate? Because you essentially throwing sapient around like it doesn ot matter

acutally that lik eone of wynncraft problem that they introduce all the sapiences and just treat them like nothing

it feel video gamey in a way that it hard to explain it like this spieces only have presence in this one specific area and it almost like they never seen anywhere else

for speices like doguns, it's fine, they give proper explaination

but for like elves and dwarves they just feel limited

[potent sleet]

Most of the elves are either in Efilim, a town that's very easily looked over, and Aldorei, a town that needs 2 quests to be able to access

In fact the only elf most of us know and interact with the most

Is fucking Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

Aldorei elves should be in Aldorei thst fine

But Efilim maybe could be spot in morr location

Tho theh could go into angle where they having political drama with villagers of cinfras

Like for example the villager of cinfras been harvesting stuff from light Forest

Which could lead to interesting world building

We also found elves in Rodoroc

Which Honeslty

Really hard to imagine???? Unless they go on fucking pilgrim to sell crack

Dwarves on the other hand

Should be more wide spread

To the point of going to Wynn I might even say lol

Dwarves being more wide spread could be more intresting

Elves disguise as human could work as long as there is reason

[potent sleet]

I hope Minecraft allows shorter/smaller player models so the dwarves and Dodegar get represented properly

[hybrid gazelle]

Genome got one lol

Dwarves probably need entirely new model

So they can be shorter while keeping the width

[stuck barn]

wide

[deft seal]

What elves are in rodoroc?

[vestal rivet]

There's and Elven trader that hangs out in central Rodoroc

one of those random roaming NPCs that doesn't do anything except walk around

[deft seal]

oh

[soft radish]

What's the importance of the Pit of the Dead quest?

Cuz right now all I see it as is
Go into random ass pit
Give the spirits some gamer bath water
Leave

[hybrid gazelle]

Nothing

[regal spire]

It’s just a product of the past. Old quests were mostly aimless filler content, regardless of the proposed implication a giant ghost pit has

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon should get questline of his own

Like scrap lost tower and pit of the dead

And make them all Charonrelated

[dim plover]

I wish I remembered that other Ancient Nemract quests existed when was reworking Charon

[rain saffron]

agreed!

[silent rain]

Uh… 🍞?

[unique hill]

we can make this

[regal spire]

Dwarves must remain wide, if they are shrunk

[hybrid gazelle]

Charon seems like a big deal character only to end up as nothing burger

Still better date than CoW

[hybrid gazelle]

some item rewritelore I made for fun

[unique cedar]

Can't you do this for gnomes already with the new scale attribute in the new version?

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes but like they look VERY STRANGE

becuase it scale everything including the width

unless you want the dwarves to look like a child

that would not work

[unique cedar]

That's why I said just gnomes and not dwarves

They need to be like just slightly shorter than the player and more bulky

[hybrid gazelle]

they alreadyu did

like the gnome in the game just very very small player character

[unique cedar]

Oh that's great

[hybrid gazelle]

but yeah honestly I just prefer if dwarves got their own model instead of size rescale

evles

elves honestly also should have their own model for the ears

because having elf ears as cosmetic do not rwork AT ALL

Doguns have model dead end where like

IDK how they gonna make for doguns

"greenskins" as whole are like

IDK man I am not look foward to consider the trolls

Avo IDK how it would look but it could be cool if they have mdel

villager is like matter of time when CT finally maange their time and drag it to the alleyway and shot dead

giving olms uniquye model would miss the point

[modest mountain]

Hollow serenity appreciation message. Absolute cinema

[warm flicker]

i personally really liked the extra lore for the dwarves from the bonfire event (how they used to have a big empire but it got destroyed when the collosi activated). It recontextualizes the war with the Doguns not as colonizers trying to take land, but a broken people desperately trying to regain the strength they once had who, intentionally or not, put the Doguns in the exact situation the Dwarves found themselves in after the Collosi were activated

[eternal helm]

what are they guarding??

[cold cove]

Where is this?

[dim plover]

I still hate that they just removed a bunch of grind spots

I get that they wanted to discourage grinding to level up by removing yellow stars but did you also really have to seal up and purge like half of them

At least keep the mobs :(

(That used to be a lava + living silver grind spot)

Or whatever they’re called

[eternal helm]

???

[dim plover]

I misremembered

Even took the images myself

[eternal helm]

even if it isnt an xp grindspot that should still exist

[dim plover]

They just sealed them up

Remember Glowbulb Cave

[eternal helm]

no?

only thing i remember tbh was this

yellow on yellow wasnt a good choice but u can see the circle right xd

[dim plover]

Oh lol

But yeah yellow starred mobs were scattered all across the map

But then they got purged

[obsidian bane]

hello lore people

why did I just murder 4 inocent people

in aquiring credentials

my character just decides getting a passport that I don't even have a use for yet is worth more than these people

's lives

no second thought

the guy says we need that ship

and I just kill them all

[hybrid gazelle]

It was funny

[obsidian bane]

I mean i guess

weirds me out every time

[hybrid gazelle]

It just wynncraft more cartoony aspect being shown more in some of these quests

It more of funny absurd kind of thing in the game

Since the quest not really meant to be that serious and literally just you and a guy getting a new passport

[regal spire]

Wynns got this weird running gag that just paints us as mindless, bloodthirsty monster who just kill non stop for no real reason. I’ve only found a few instances around Wynn where I actually like the depiction, but Acquiring Credentials and Shadow of the Beast are not ones.

[lean wadi]

If I were you I would ditch everything and re write mythic lore 1,000 times until you get the best one and ditch everything

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh most mythic lore are not even that bad(I am talking about one that did not get rewrite) just aimless

[exotic bough]

babe wake up new nothing lore just dropped
https://wynncraft.wiki.gg/wiki/The_Nothing

[rotund gust]

peak

[hexed nova]

Its like there’s nothing there

Must be a bug

[exotic bough]

But how could there be a bug if there is (the) nothing there

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda-tai-lung-empty-scroll-it's-nothing-no-hay-nada-gif-4040111734232253217

[regal spire]

This would be funnier if the other items had some lore to compensate this

At least ambivalence is there

[warm flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-say-that-say-that-agian-marvel-fantastic-gif-12441585058103544841

[regal spire]

Holy, what could be even funnier is if it did the whole “ .” Thing, but then had a -
At the bottom so it’d look like nothing was quoting nothing

“ .”

[warm flicker]

so what exactly is Charon? He portrays himself as the embodiment of death, but that cant be right because we know who death is, and that would make him like the second entity masquerading as death which feels a bit redundant. Due to his connection with the first corrupted attacks on Nemract, im inclined to believe he was one of the more lethal leaders of the corrupted army, who turned rogue and carved a little fiefdom out of ancient nemract

[dim plover]

He portrays himself as the embodiment of death
Uh

Does he?

[warm flicker]

kind of, but not directly, he is an obvious reference to charon, ferryman of the dead, and his whole thing is about draining hope (and life) from people, seen in the dark descent quest

[regal spire]

There isn’t much on Charon, as of now, but Im pretty sure he’s just a necromancer who was revived by the corruption (maybe he was revived by himself, though, in tandem with corruption making him more powerful)

They portrayed him significantly more powerful than he actually ended up being, though

[dim plover]

(Still mad about that)

(Hope my rework did him justice)
(A little)

[regal spire]

I think your fight is one of the best designed dungeon bosses in the game. I really like its build up (it also felt like a TLS before TLS existed, since Garoth seemed to have taken some similar inspiration with the boss level/the build up)

[drifting aurora]

charon lore's something i'd like to update at some point

[dim plover]

I unfortunately made the mistake of forgetting that Dark Descent isn't the only Ancient Nemract quest

I could have expanded Charon's lore way more in like, a reworked Pit of the Dead or the Necromancer Tower quest

Wynncraft seemed to have done what I like to call "character named after mythological source initially being somewhat significantly based off of said mythological source only to suddenly no longer be correlated with the source after a future update yet still keeping the name of said source" to Charon and Dullahan

Whatever they've planned with those two is ultimately up to them but if we were to take purely my own opinion I don't like that

Not like, the fact that they reworked those guys

Wynncraft doesn't need to have characters to be directly based off of IRL lore

But it's more of the fact that their names clearly still imply that the characters are based off of whatever original source the names came from

The easiest way would technically be to just change the names of Charon and Dullahan but to be honest I would really like it if they were reworked to that they're based on the actual Charon and Dullahan again

At least with Dullahan's case the beheading still exists so his name becomes a funny wink to the mytho Dullahan

But barring the outdated boat room in UC, Charon's just completely wiped lmao

So yeah
Boatman Charon and Headless Horseman Dullahan

Would be pretty cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Bad to the bone

Honeslty I would love if lost tower and pit of the dead become part of Charon’s quest line

I think Charon deserve a quest line

Early game villain would be a nice role for Charon

Imagine if the Charon quest line begin by player character being assigned to support Nemract army by admiral Aegis

Always have the idea of Charon being almagation of reanimating corpse of the miners thst throw themselves into the pit

[true eagle]

books 💀

[dim plover]

Wait a minute is Phantom Twain supposed to be Marius

I thought it was just a random ghost

[limber swan]

?

who is phantom twain

are you talking about mael?

[dim plover]

The boss of the House of Twain quest

[limber swan]

oh that guy

idk who tf that is lmfao

[solid crow]

Why did orphion chose the player

To be his pulse

[hybrid gazelle]

because uhh uhh

uhhh

player cna do violence

I guess

and IDFK player is player, ROL is ROL

[solid crow]

📜

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK it mostly just concidence that somehow happen even tho it like

1000 years time gap

it

it something

[dim plover]

His choices were us and a pacifistic elf

[hybrid gazelle]

His choices were not just us and a pacifist elf

Dullahan literally right there LOL

and you know

[solid crow]

Dullahan is as bad as lari

[hybrid gazelle]

ther probably some guy that could do the job between 1000 years

[solid crow]

Too emotional

[hybrid gazelle]

????

Dullahan literalyl the one that tell Lari to kill Parasite

hello

???

[solid crow]

Yeah but

[dim plover]

Sorry lemme rephrase

His choices were an individual who pretty much kills anything with a nameplate and healthbar on sight and someone who couldn't even squash a bug she can very much oneshot

[solid crow]

He tried to kill us

[hybrid gazelle]

That his post decay

we talking about pre decay Dullahan in which he would be viable option

[solid crow]

Ohh

Alr in that case

[hybrid gazelle]

His post decay literally just him being murderous mosnter because

lazarus pit make you only feel hate??? OR SOMETHING???

even then it fucking 1000 yeras gap

[dim plover]

Maybe Orphion just doesn't like the Irish

[solid crow]

So decay changes stuff like corruption?

[hybrid gazelle]

there surely some people out there

thta can do the job

no

well

Depend

But overall form what we see

Decay does not change stuff like Corruption did

as we can see Dullahan after being bitten by Parasite

he mostly just

unable to function normally

he only become "evil" after being revived by Lazarus pit

[dim plover]

Decay's not a force, it's an event

Decay is the region losing Light magic

[solid crow]

Oh i see

[dim plover]

In this case from the mini parasites leeching it all out

[hybrid gazelle]

https://www.tumblr.com/trashiejunkyard/778101209290670080/some-lore-stuff-i-might-expand-on-the-it-later-as

Junkyard of Trashie

Some lore stuff, I might expand on the it later as a way to explore my wartorn project in more digestible manner but no promise.

Made this because I feel like there a lot of misconception and misunderstanding around these two and I want to clearify it in a way that could be fun.

-# #wynncraft #wartorn project #Lari #Orikal #Art

Tumblr · Mar 15, 2025, 4:12 PM

[dim plover]

The game literally tells us this dude

[hybrid gazelle]

here tumblr post for lroe study

[solid crow]

So the Silent expanse is the end result of a decay?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

SE is dernic

there is no light involve

[solid crow]

Havent done ROL on 2 years

[hybrid gazelle]

Decay only happen in absence of Light

[dim plover]

For someone named John Wynncraft I am very disappointed

(/j)

[hybrid gazelle]

just read the tumblr post

it got like

basic that you need to understand I guess

[solid crow]

I see

Is there a Bakaal appearance anywhere after ROL 5?

[frosty junco]

yea

[solid crow]

Not counting visions and ahc

[hybrid gazelle]

no LOL

Bak'al is

something

hey maybe when we got Charon rewrite, he could hint us to Bak'al IDK I think that would be so awesome and cool

that like

[solid crow]

Also how did Bakaal get in contact with the dern beast

Baka all

[hybrid gazelle]

Have 0 idea

the game odnt tell us and we just waiting for the reveal I guess

[raw badge]

Ngl I do feel like there could be something with "Ray Gun Island", which is somewhere SW of Selchar iirc, I don't have an exact coord thingy but iirc its just, y'know

Lemme get a picture of it rq

This is Ray Gun Island btw, and ngl I do feel like there might be some backstory on such, or maybe its an easter egg? I dunno if Salted or any of CraftedMovie played Call of Duty Zombies, but idk

[frosty junco]

this looks like great britain to me idfk why 😭

[raw badge]

meh

[hybrid gazelle]

I litearlly will be real

Do not take Ocean shit as granted

that like

so fucking old that I dont think they even know what to do with it

[warm flicker]

if they can remove the barrier from the ternaves prison, im sure one day there will be an ocean lore rework

[hybrid gazelle]

Ocean geniunely feel so boring even tho there so much thing that could be going on

like SURELY there are more thing otu there than just undead pirates

like fucking surely

they literally could introduce pirates as faction with many origin and background between groups

[soft radish]

I would love to see something like an ex navy commander as a pirate, maybe even a rival pirate to Redbeard

You would encounter him at the start of Redbeard's Booty, he would be going around celebrating Redbeard's death, despite it being years since he died. The other pirates are obviously annoyed, but they can't do anything about it since he's now the most powerful pirate in the sea. While on the hunt for the map, instead of getting betrayed and stranded after finding the map, the Rival would come in and attempt to take it for himself. This Miniboss would be similar to Redbeard and would act as a perfect warm-up for the dungeon boss himself. And to spice it up, if you die, you'll be stranded on the island, and in Galleons Graveyard's story mode, you'll fight the rival before Redbeard, instead of the 3 pirates.

Damn I went off on that one

What do you think?

[frosty junco]

yea that sounds cooler than just "arrrrrrgh ancient treasure"

[small sluice]

hmm

is bluebeard a good idea

also i hope more ocean lore

[frosty junco]

i swear to god i read bluebird because of the berdly pfp

[small sluice]

berdlihh

[soft radish]

"We call him bluebeard, not because his beard is blue, but because he wears his old Navy uniform simply to spite the military"

[small sluice]

reminds me of one piece

[soft radish]

"Not a soul outside his crew knows what happened to make him hate the Navy so much"

[soft radish]

weird, but true

[small sluice]

legit

the ocean is so boring

like

the only quests there are just

[soft radish]

filler quests and one singular story quest

[small sluice]

wdym singular story quest?

[soft radish]

Wynnexcavation C

[small sluice]

but does order of the grook count tho?

[soft radish]

idk

[small sluice]

was kind of fun but not that fun

[soft radish]

i would venture to say no

[small sluice]

i like order of the grook

its fun

[soft radish]

it's okay

it bugs the hell out in multiplayer

[small sluice]

quests added in 1.19 are pretty cool

hot take: i like gavel quests more than wynn quests

sorry not sorry

[soft radish]

nah, i think the gavel quests are much better than wynn quests

[small sluice]

honestly wynn kind of needs a revamp

like

[soft radish]

Wynn Reborn

[small sluice]

most wynn quests are boring and fetch quest like

(looking at you temple of the legends and reincarnation)

[shut hornet]

wynn kind of gets updated gradually instead of all in one go like gavel

mostly with attention going to the earlygame

so the later areas have gotten. very outdated

[small sluice]

yo arent you content team?

[soft radish]

my dog is under my desk begging for scritches

he's shedding fur and it's getting everywhere

[shut hornet]

yes

[small sluice]

oh btw is the person in your pfp noelle or dess?

[shut hornet]

noelle

[soft radish]

spoil fruma

please

[small sluice]

also is temple of the legends ever getting a revamp?

also

[shut hornet]

there is an area called espren

[small sluice]

what are the enemies like in fruma?

[shut hornet]

theres no rework actively planned but itll probably happen eventually

[frosty junco]

might it perhaps be in the nearby vacinity of an area called auburn forest

[shut hornet]

cant say that

[small sluice]

alr

[shut hornet]

shh

[small sluice]

alr

[small sluice]

praying for revamps of those quests

btw

nvm

[small sluice]

last time wynndevs updated the ocean was like

9 years ago or stm

also

pls give us an option to kill seluc

hes more of an asshole in 2.0 than 1.20

[warm flicker]

killing him imo would go against the nature of the bantisu airmonks... adding news ways to make his journey hell on purpose on the other hand...

[small sluice]

seluc was literally grateful to you back in 1.20

like

if your coat gets wet im pretty sure the bantisu monks will just clean it for you

[hybrid gazelle]

the existence of ex navy commander imply there is navy somewhere

[soft radish]

precisely

the wynn army needs a navy

[hybrid gazelle]

why

[soft radish]

same with Gavel and Corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

like

[soft radish]

conquest

[hybrid gazelle]

Nemract does not seems like they can afford to keep up the navy

conquest for what??

[soft radish]

what do the provinces not desire to claim land outside their borders

or is the ocean declared international waters

and therefore unclaimable

[hybrid gazelle]

pretty sure it is

even then

they got other pressing matter to attend od

like literally entire corruption war

other island is far too small to make a new home

so there literally no point of conquering other land

when the resources could be spent in waging war against Corruption

Villagers could have navy

but I think that what Selchar is for

[soft radish]

well then maybe wynn wouldn't have a navy, but Corkus is definitely a great place for a navy

[hybrid gazelle]

I think that what Selchar is for

cause what i wrote for my take of the lore is that

no Corkus is far too small

[soft radish]

but they have technology

[hybrid gazelle]

okay they have navy for what tho
liek sure I can imagine for defending pirates but that pretty much it

[soft radish]

just a general defence force since the province is entirely surrounded by water

like Britain

[hybrid gazelle]

Then sure I guess

Honestly my take on the setting is that

Selchar meant to be combined effort of both human and villager in attempt to make the ocean safe by establishing order

let me get my doc real quick

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xEVC2cMm4xJ4npoKisJDtu2AdMjR7ihy7yID8gkhNjs/edit?tab=t.kckkq0kpyud1

[soft radish]

oh so you're saying that each province doesn't have their own individual navy, but instead the combined efforts of the provinces are used to have a central naval force?

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

well not each province

[soft radish]

except for corkus

[hybrid gazelle]

it mostly Villagers faction and alliance of Wynn

[soft radish]

because for some reason they're completely detached from the rest of the world

[hybrid gazelle]

Corkus is more of the fact they not recongize as their own province

and they are not in alliance like Wynn and villager do

[soft radish]

fair enough

[hybrid gazelle]

the threat in ocean still present like pirates, ice islanders, and more

[soft radish]

but anyways, Bluebeard could work according to you

[hybrid gazelle]

it could

[soft radish]

an ex navy captain turned pirate

idk how you're pirate cove rework goes, but it would make at least Redbeard's Booty a little more interesting

[hybrid gazelle]

let me get the pirate cove

Redbeard in this take is being completely remake

[hasty spoke]

Maybe to introduce the navy both the Ice nations could be requesting support, so (questgiver) tells you to go there and figure out which nation to support/what is going on

[hybrid gazelle]

ice nations are more traders

well

Dujgon nation is like classic raiding viking trope

while Nodguj are seafaring traders

they are not that organize that I would call them navy

Noduj do still protect their allies from Dujgon tho

Honestly in my take Selchar Navy do not really have tha tmuch man power to take control of the ocean so they are very thin in numbers

[soft radish]

This makes Redbeard sound a lot more noble

[hybrid gazelle]

I can assure you he aint

because he literlaly made a deal with demons who is sister of Garaheth LOL

[soft radish]

unless whatever he made a deal with is using redbeard to free it so that it may destroy the world or something

[hybrid gazelle]

In this take Redbeard made a deal with arch demon

arch demon is a homebrew I made to fit Garaheth somewhere

and arch demons are 5 demons that emobidment of each 5 elements in elemental magic

making pentagram

[soft radish]

ah very nice

[hybrid gazelle]

so Redbeard made a deal with water arch demon

[small sluice]

btw

[hybrid gazelle]

and Galleon's Graveyard is a place where Redbeard betray many pirates in order to sacrifice their souls to the demon

[small sluice]

is wynn one entire nation?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

it's alliance

[small sluice]

oh

so like

[hybrid gazelle]

Troms and Ragni have 2 different kings

Almuj have mayor

Nemract and Detlas is unknown but Nemract for sure has no king

[hasty spoke]

I think it’s like how Europe is not on country but one continent

[small sluice]

kingdom of ragni, kingdom of troms, the city-states of detlas, nemract, almuj, and nesaak?

im pretty sure

its just a confederation of city states

gavel and corkus is under one united government

(im disregarding the avos)

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah pretty much

well gavel is more like villager dominating the entire province

while elves and dwarves just exist

and other spieces

[small sluice]

wait

i just realized

gavel isnt one entire nation

[hybrid gazelle]

nope

[small sluice]

theres the dwarven kingdoms

so really

[hybrid gazelle]

elves

there elves ruled by elders

and disconnect from world outside

[small sluice]

the nation of gavel is really only the villager majority areas

[hybrid gazelle]

yes

[soft radish]

I hate elves

[small sluice]

the molten heights is under one kingdom

[soft radish]

I used to hate gnomes, but they aight

[hybrid gazelle]

well

[small sluice]

and aldorei is just aldorei

[hybrid gazelle]

If we take deleted quest

[small sluice]

orcs uhh

orcs are just orcs

[hybrid gazelle]

Canyon seems liek they ahve their own king

[small sluice]

not really

[hybrid gazelle]

so maybe Rodoroc and canyon are difrerent clan

[hybrid gazelle]

in deleted quest they do

the king is different from King Dranni

[small sluice]

what quest

send link

[hybrid gazelle]

Belly of the beast I think

[soft radish]

Thesead has a mayor do they not?

[small sluice]

well

[small sluice]

oh yea

[hybrid gazelle]

they do but they have government

so that mayor could be working for government

in Cinfras

[small sluice]

thanos and rodoroc are two independent states

[hybrid gazelle]

also for Orcs

orcs are ruled by Arrai

but below arrai are rai

that rule their respective camp

[small sluice]

orcs could be a semi-independent state right?

[hybrid gazelle]

not really I think

I guess

we dont know much

[small sluice]

alr

wait im gonna make a new map

[hybrid gazelle]

but we know that rai meant chief

[soft radish]

orcs seem to be laying claim to land that isn't theirs

[small sluice]

for the states

[hasty spoke]

The king is of thanos, not the canyon tho right?

[small sluice]

yup

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[hybrid gazelle]

I use canyon because that where Thanos is

[small sluice]

thesead and bantisu is part of the gavellian government

eltom is uhh secret

[hasty spoke]

Ok got it

[soft radish]

they have no inependent territory, they just set up camps in the plains and call it their territory

[hybrid gazelle]

I am not sure about bantisu temple

it just a temple so I am not sure

[small sluice]

oh

[hybrid gazelle]

it could be entirely indepdent

[small sluice]

so more on tribal land then

[small sluice]

nope

[soft radish]

even though the plains are technically Llevigars territory, no?

[small sluice]

well idk bout that

[small sluice]

yup

[hybrid gazelle]

villager literally expanse their territory from Cinfras

[small sluice]

ok so like

[hybrid gazelle]

those llevigar territory could literally once belong to orc

there literal entire lore about orc and villager war

[small sluice]

nvm

[soft radish]

oh so it's a Native American thing

[small sluice]

yea

ig

[hasty spoke]

Yeah

[small sluice]

also

[soft radish]

the villagers took the land from the orcs, and the orcs want it back, and so they're setting up camps as sort of mini territories to hold on to whatever land they have left

[small sluice]

fruma is one independent nation too

[hasty spoke]

I think the isssue is that llevigar treat all orc tribes as on diplomatic entity

[small sluice]

yuh

[soft radish]

so that makes the player racist

[small sluice]

idts

i like zuett in the all roads to peace quest

[hasty spoke]

So one tiny independent orc tribe steals an axe , every orc is somehow responsible