📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

Like, isn’t a majority of the Wynn team made up of people similar to you, who just like making cool shit and wanna offer their perspective to the game’s world?

[dim plover]

Because I would absolutely do that

[red dome]

That's fair

[regal spire]

Maybe this would be a good experiment, then, and help you prepare your mind for grander endeavors

[dim plover]

I would have so much fun as CT that my actual life would just deteriorate lol

Again, I don’t have self control

I would be a fool to trust myself

[regal spire]

If a lack of self control is what you’re acutely aware of, then it’s your job to make decisions that challenge this perspective as much as possible

You don’t suddenly get better with time alone, and I would recommend taking an endeavor like this and trying it as an exercise for balance

[dim plover]

Taking a CT role is kinda the equivalent of training my legs’ endurance for landing and parkouring by leaping off a cliff

Or training my lung capacity holding my breath underwater for an hour

If you want me to practice dealing with my self-control then CT is a nuclear option

[regal spire]

You’re far too experienced and talented to consider it that way. Your biggest hurdle is your mind, and that is what taking leaps like this is for. You won’t burn a bridge because you struggle with self control on a passion; I’d argue it would strengthen your resolve, and your creative potential by giving you a professional, controlled outlet

[dim plover]

You won’t burn a bridge because you struggle with self control
I kinda lost a really big life opportunity by focusing too much on Hidden Side ngl

[regal spire]

And let that mistake be what controls you for a professional environment. I’ve screwed myself in artistic worlds, too, because I wasn’t ready for the level of freedom you’re offered. I couldn’t handle being alone with my own mind, and it made being a professional impossible. I didn’t burn my bridge through leaving, though, and I took my year away to struggle and relearn what it meant to create a life out of passion, again.

Not saying to make it a career, of course, but why not take the step with the experience you have and use that hindsight to add to a world you’re clearly passionate about

I think the environment something like this would add would be nothing but a gain, especially if you ever want to truly gain control over your own creativity.

[dim plover]

On a semi-unrelated but related note I don’t want to get spoiled on future Wynncraft content

[regal spire]

Fair enough

[rotund gust]

if you join ct we can actually have lari dead in game and i think that’s a good enough reason on its own

[dim plover]

(Also it’s kinda funny if I continue to make myself more and more valuable as a potential CT to Salted while at the same time rejecting any offer he directly gives me)

[regal spire]

Pulling a goodwill hunting

[rotund gust]

keep increasing your value until he offers you his yacht

[dim plover]

That wasn’t my plan at all (I just like making Wynn stuff) but now that he has asked me to join CT (like, informally) several times it’s kinda gotten that way

[red dome]

I'm just glad you'll still be around to give us gems like these:

[dim plover]

I still want to continue that btw

I want to stuff Qira’s little spidey hole here with as many plushies and shelves of manga and chocolate milk as I physically can

(I would appreciate a canonical look for her room though)

We probs won’t get that unfortunately

But I made it relatively cosy-sized

[regal spire]

What am I looking at 😭

[drifting aurora]

this is the true cost of ct

[dim plover]

Choccy Milk

[dim plover]

The only way to combat this is to get the CT to work on like ten different iterations of Fruma, all with differing content and lore

[drifting aurora]

oh dear

[dim plover]

Salted will choose the one with his intended “real” one as the one to release to live servers

[regal spire]

Oh 🦌

[dim plover]

That way not even the CT will know spoilers

[drifting aurora]

theres so much cool shit i just cannot talk about

[dim plover]

I can relate to this

Unfortunately my severe lack of self control strikes again and as of last week the public knows who Flicker is

(I cannot stop self-spoiling)

[drifting aurora]

you told me about that once didnt you

[regal spire]

This, but with Russian war plans

[dim plover]

Yeah but now people that aren’t CT members actually know Void Sibling lore

Big rip I guess but HS probably won’t be out this millennia

[drifting aurora]

the truth is my memory really sucks and doesnt hold things super well so i forget this sorta stuff till i get reminded

[dim plover]

Oh yeah don’t worry

Ok so basically the thing is Flicker’s actually Batman’s son

[red dome]

You mean like how the Fruman city of Torann was secretly an enclave of the Bantisu monks?

[dim plover]

And was sent to New Zealand to go fight in the war of 88

[drifting aurora]

dang. didnt realize that got leaked. bummer

[dim plover]

I wonder what else we can talk about

Mmmmmm

[drifting aurora]

so you probably know the fruma queen is actually krolton too yeah

[dim plover]

There’s a lot of lore topics to talk about regarding official Wynncraft content but I just can’t think of something interesting enough

[drifting aurora]

me for real

[dim plover]

I guess I can try to come up with something that’ll take up approximately 30 minutes

[red dome]

Yeah and how Tasim was secretly the dern beast alll along?

[dim plover]

lemme just go look at the Clock real qui- hey wait a minute

(That was supposed to follow up with)

Nvm

Anyways we should see more item lore actually be in-map

That’s always cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Lexnt

can you comfirm

if there brainrot exist in Wynncraft

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle what if corkus was the big city and relos is the boonies

[hybrid gazelle]

wtf is boonies

[dim plover]

Bloomi

[solid fable]

rural town out of nowhere

😠

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah

probably

[red dome]

When are you gonna make the Bloomi content?

[dim plover]

Idk if I come up with something original for it

[drifting aurora]

i think bloomi is a relic of a different era

theres not much place for it in the modern wynn community

[regal spire]

King boomi

[dim plover]

The only fleshed out concept I have for Bloomi asides from the entire province being a plant hivemind is that Bloomi has a humanoid projector form that will be used in its boss fight

And it’s literally just Rosey from Deltarune

I’ll probs take large parts of the original lore for Bloomi but I don’t actually know which the first forum post about Bloomi was

[drifting aurora]

probably the plant one in general suggestions

i vaguely recall it being shamos who posted it? but i very well could be wrong

[dim plover]

I remember reading one about a scientist

In Bloomi

[drifting aurora]

sohso actually ended up in bloomi.... holy crab it all makes sense now...

[regal spire]

Wonder if sohso will believe they are human

Every scientist seems to have a special fixation, and if Sohso had been effected in any similar way, maybe he’s super fixated on humans

[dim plover]

Isn’t Sohso explicitly stated to not be one of the scientists

And like, not affected by the meteors

[regal spire]

I do not ever remember that being the case, and I’m pretty sure he had to have some sort of involvement, since mehme mentions him as someone who escaped, not someone who was just generally apart

However comma

I have not done ??? In 6 years

[drifting aurora]

a lot of ??? lore is messy and unfocused

the logistics of it all dont quite make sense

[regal spire]

Pretty fitting for what happened to the scientists

(How the hell did they get into the meteors…)

[drifting aurora]

well. sure but also how did they build

YEAH

[regal spire]

That confused me since I was 13

[pliant plank]

Plot armour

[drifting aurora]

idk its fine in a vacuum cause ??? isnt the most serious of quests, but if you need to expand on that plotline... it becomes a problem

[regal spire]

How on earth did they manage to not only make a entire laboratories within these things, but connect all 3

[pliant plank]

Plot

[solar ingot]

same, I do hope we don't have a hero beta on fruma

and if we do, we could just access the "endgame content", not explore the whole area

[pliant plank]

yep

[regal spire]

We kinda need a hero beta for it, though

I, for one, will not be joining it this year

(There are some fun interactions with beta, though…)

[neat oriole]

without a hero beta a lot of bugs could slip through the cracks and reach the main game which could be pretty disastorous

[still bane]

@acoustic ledge why does warrior give 13% str now

what did they change

[acoustic ledge]

bmonk

pressure

[still bane]

ohhh

[solar ingot]

I wouldn't be against hiring actual testers for this update only tho

[hybrid gazelle]

I think they in fact have those but I pretty sure just like other position in CT, they are volunteer

[rotund gust]

hero alpha & beta

[regal spire]

I hate that fruma has so much hype around it

Wish Fruma was a bit more of an unknown concept, like how Road to Dern was a 2-3 year concept

[rotund gust]

we need to make silkposting for fruma

[molten escarp]

and the gamers wept, for there were no more worlds to conquer

[regal spire]

All our fun games with stupidly long development delays are gone now…

[rotund gust]

batman arkham

deltarune 5-7

hytale

[regal spire]

Deltarune 5 in one year, though

Hytale canceled, and idk what a Batman is

[rotund gust]

hytale isn’t cancelled last i checked. Simon hypixel bought it back from whatever

it’s uncancelled

[regal spire]

Damn, that was fast

[astral ridge]

Simon is stxillionaire

[dim plover]

Hytrillionaire

[soft radish]

Simon is a businessman

And he did business

[errant zinc]

the bazar NPCs are brother and sister, they just look like that

[shut hornet]

honestly i prefer contributing to the lore over just Watching from an outsider perspective

its a little sad ill never experience fruma the same way non cts will though

[spring kernel]

knowing the lore is fun but being permanently stopped from participating in speculation because you know the answers is already is a bit sad

[slender copper]

Did the raid with Orphion, didn't expect to see a Kitsune... does that mean the other realms are similar mythical creatures?

[spring kernel]

I don't think orphion is based on that

[regal spire]

Orphion is based off my neighbors dog, who I grafted antlers on to

[slender copper]

Oh o_o.

[slender copper]

Well it reminded me of one, that's for sure.

[shut hornet]

hes a fox

kitsunes are just foxes but with 9 tails. so

[slender copper]

I was right about the fox part at least-

[astral ridge]

Fox deer wolf

Thing

[slender copper]

Guess Orphion isn't really based off an existing mythical creature, huh?

[astral ridge]

It’s based off one of the staff members fursona

Wait no Thats fool eater

Mb

[slender copper]

o-o what-

[astral ridge]

Welcome to wynncraft

[topaz garnet]

now that i have it, is there a canonical area people actually used the ragni ball

aside from ragni itself

[dim plover]

Was it?

I thought it was based off of one of Madeline’s OCs

[astral ridge]

Fool eater is one of the staff members fursona

[dim plover]

Oh huh

Did she say that?

Nvm I just checked yeah she did say that

Idk if Fool Eater is based off of Grue though

I haven’t verified that

[woeful abyss]

it is

they both even like "eating"

[dim plover]

Ah ok

(I should still clarify that the only thing similar between them is the head btw)

I’ve seen the full model of Grue, it’s like a snake thing

Still cool design though

[woeful abyss]

same-ish color scheme

except fool eater is a bit more blue

[dim plover]

I thought Grue was dark purple

Or like, blackish purple

[woeful abyss]

also,
deusphage originally didnt get the FE hat from crates, and so they begged salted to give her the hat onto her account after the event ended 😭

so kinda more proving how much of a oc insert that mob is

[dim plover]

I mean, nothing wrong with that

OC inserts are pretty cool sometimes

[woeful abyss]

sometimes, but she denies its a oc insert

[dim plover]

It’s not like it’s an in-your-face thing

[woeful abyss]

even though its extremely obvious that it is

[dim plover]

Did she not say it was based off of Grue though

And like a werewolf

I do remember her saying that once

[woeful abyss]

maybe at some point

but she also likes to deny it being a oc insert

[dim plover]

Oh

[woeful abyss]

she denies a lot of stuff that could be seen as "bad" though so

like how pumpkin gourd hat (i think its called) and Monster hat looks almost the exact same, she says its not even remotely similar looking

even though its almost the same exact model

😭

[dim plover]

E

I think she means the texture

[woeful abyss]

nah ive talked to her about it several times

and explicitly said model

it even tilts the same way, mouth is almost the same (monster has teeth and ears)

not even remotely similar ig

[dim plover]

I mean, I guess I can see where she’s coming from?

The only thing similar between them is the head base

Everything else is completely different

I probs don’t know the context of your convos but outside of clarifying that I meant everything that isn’t the model base I would also word it as them looking nothing alike

[woeful abyss]

i mean it was one example

there was some hats that got changed a bit i think but some of them had almost the exact same model

with minor changes

or like ig some good ones are midnight kasa and the light kasa version

theyre the same with a diff color and maybe some slight pattern diff

but nope entirely diff model

there is a slight difference.. but overall the same

i dont really have anything against copy pasting base models to make work on cosmetics easier, i do that in my own game im making, which also is way less effort than 3D models, so literally nothing against it, but what i dont like is when they say its not remotely similar and they have never tried copy paste stuff

and then you see these cosmetics..

[dim plover]

Oh wait sorry I forgot to reply to this

The old one was kinda boring and I wanted something more “realmic”-esque that players can subconsciously tie their minds to

So I just took a bunch of Gateway Realm’s plants

And colored the rocks and ground streaks of those really bright contrasting colors you see in realm environments

Or at least the new ones

[regal spire]

I was wondering why it felt so familiar; that’s a really nice way to repurpose concepts. Reminds me of how rom-hackers repurpose and recolor assets to suspend belief a bit for what they would represent

[hybrid gazelle]

trying to do lore study on corruption infleunces itself

IDK what else I could add

feel like there are more

but devils and undead would be under Forces of Corruption

[exotic yew]

Wtf is that thing

[astral ridge]

orphan

[lunar comet]

Add that ice magic prevents the spread of corruption

And that ppl can actually work for it

-Bak'al....

[hybrid gazelle]

that knowledge is not wide spread

and I highly dobut Orikal would want to tell anyone that you can use corruption LOL

[lunar comet]

True

[hybrid gazelle]

it does not relaly make sense in that context

I can add the ice part

but not controling corruption part

that is more for the forces of corruption

[lunar comet]

Id assume it got more widespread with dozens of recruits findibg out

[lunar comet]

Makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

Fate of the fallen imply this new

but I can like

incoropate that into another new section

[stoic tree]

Have you looked into the effect of bears on the corruption?

[hybrid gazelle]

what

[gray tendon]

Bear island is the bulwark against the terror that is annihilation

[mortal cave]

annie is a bear

[regal spire]

Old bear V Annie who’d top

[frank plover]

Me

[regal spire]

Just realized that we haven’t really seen more than 1 bear, 1 lion, and zero tigers

Ig there’s the tamers/breeders

But I’ve only seen the old bear and the playful bear, one of which has questionable canon

[red dome]

Is this supposed to be a creature?

[regal spire]

Good question. Could be, could also be a piece of the worm we saw

Could also just be a bit of the environment

[hushed obsidian]

what I do remember is that this spike was added silently during a fix a few months after SE released

[hybrid gazelle]

Undead would be entirely their own thing

I wanna do study focus on force of corruption

including Undead and Devils

[regal spire]

Is there a more specific reason to its implementation? Or was it one of those “this area could use a bit more to it” and they filled the space with something

[hushed obsidian]

I wasn't part of the team then just remember noticing it's sudden appearance as a player. I never interpreted anything deep into it but idk better

[regal spire]

They’ve had this pattern of implementing/removing really niche, specific builds and concepts in the world, and they’re always seemingly shadow patched with the intent of players noticing something is off.

[red dome]

Huh

I think it's probably a worm since it looks nothing like the obsidian spikes of SE

Also I think theres a hole in the ground

[regal spire]

Could be its tail

[shut hornet]

its the other end of the ajb tunnel worm

[hushed obsidian]

cool

[red dome]

I knew it!

[shut hornet]

you get launched from it after saving aledar

[clever quartz]

Tentikal

[red dome]

Is that the new spot? I coulda sworn you dropped back from the worm tunnel

[dim plover]

The cart ride happens right after you get out of the worm

If you get dropped back at the worm tunnel you were going to have to walk through the entire city to the very edge where the cart is

[red dome]

Ahhhh ok, I guess its been a while since I've done the quest

[warm adder]

why did seigrfied come into existence

[hybrid gazelle]

In meta sense or in universe sense

[solid fable]

@hybrid gazelle

Have u done the necklace discovery like i asked

[hybrid gazelle]

I done it long time ago

[clever quartz]

Marketing campaign

[grave nymph]

hey is ??? (presumably the Dern Beast) in Silent Expanse's secret the same as ??? in A Hunter's Calling

[hushed obsidian]

you mean the npc infront of the portal?

[grave nymph]

yes

[hushed obsidian]

nope that is not the dern beast

[grave nymph]

so then do we know what it is

is it like the guardian of the forest's equivalent for Darkness

[hushed obsidian]

I don't think we know anything about it

[grave nymph]

that was my initial thought before SE secret

oh

ok

[hybrid gazelle]

It's something

gonna call it a day and just have this scrip finish

[limber swan]

what is the lore for this growth?

[warm flicker]

the burning of the forests in 886 AP led to nutrients returning to the soil, sprouting life anew. These growths are part of that cycle, and exist thanks to the destruction caused by the corruped forces burning the forest during the siege of Ragni

[regal spire]

That’s a dead spider

[hybrid gazelle]

trying to write pigmen rewrite for wartorn

[hasty spoke]

So are they still pigs?

[hybrid gazelle]

no

they are undead

they just really fucking ugly

Concept art for swinelord

[slender copper]

Why do you have a gun-

[limber swan]

its a cosmetic dummy

[regal spire]

What’s with the missing spear for the Wynn ultimate discovery location?

Is it a reference?

[shut hornet]

its supposed to be there, i guess it didnt copy over correctly

will fix for next patch

[hasty spoke]

Ok that looks really sick
Thanks that clears things up

[hybrid gazelle]

I just really want to introduce the idea of warband into forces of corruption

Essentially warlord undead(like infernal general or commander) have their own warbands with designated name given by armies of Wynn

Each warbands have their own quirk and stuff but in general they just hostile force in Wynn pro ik be rhat occasionally caught into infighting

Which is why raiding and siege are rare nowaday due to the constant infighting between warbands ever since Bak’al defeat

Most of warlords are essentially former commanders of Bak’al warband after his defeat and now fighting for leadership of the entire undead armies thst once belong to Bak’al

That what it was but now all the event lead up to 1000 ap, warbands rise and fall then and there

So few of them actually made it to 1000 ap

[chilly bluff]

does mysterious egg still have no use

[spring kernel]

Yed

[cold cove]

Is that the one you get from the sky raiders

I was wondering why it hadn't hatched

[woeful abyss]

pretty sure dark forest ultimate discovery

[regal spire]

What’s the use of the dark forest egg? Wiki says it’s still useless

[woeful abyss]

cause it is

it has no use

yet

[regal spire]

Read the question wrong, thought they were saying yes to “does the egg have a use”

[rotund sphinx]

Deltarune egg looking

[spring kernel]

"Does the egg still have no use"

[shut hornet]

the skyraider one will hatch eventually if you hold on to it

[warm flicker]

the skyraider one has two phases, each of which requires u to be online for 30 in game hours

[regal spire]

30 hours straight? Or 30 hours off and on

[warm flicker]

30 irl hours spent in game

sorry i phrased it weirdly

[warm flicker]

on and off yeah

[lunar comet]

i just figured out something interesting

this is the NPC in the theorick mansion vault quest

Frostbite

it seems that the ice thingy is public knowledge

there do seem to be some misconceptions about Theorick tho

[hybrid gazelle]

Yeah I do go back and read my note and material a bit

Even then it should be more wide spread consider how long the war go lol

Like in the case it is not

[quartz mist]

Frost Bite needs rewriting. Telvu, the one most actively studying Theorick, didnt know that til you went to time valley and looked back in time, and the research of how ice staves off corruption is a part of a secret discovery that was supposedly lost information, so some random idiot like Eppo just Knowing That conflicts with things

[regal spire]

Which is strange, because frost bite was implemented after fate of the fallen

I always assumed it was supposed to be a semi storyline quest, where you’d first complete fate of the fallen, and the general info would be related to everyone else, where it’s shown to have reached average people in Frost Bite

(I hate FB, regardless)

[dim plover]

Is ice slowing down corruption really meant to be lost information when people in-universe can probably observe it

[regal spire]

Considering there’s an entire SD to a guy studying it, yeah

However, Theorick knowing that is not common knowledge

[red dome]

Mine's already start cracking :)

[hybrid gazelle]

even then it cant even that hard to learn

like literally drawing connection with corruption ahve not run rampart through Nesaak yet

some peopl bound to wonder "hmm maybe the snow is the reason"

despite having literal corruption spikes growing at the edge

and many devils swarming it

I think Theorick's ice halting corruption should be known BUT replicating such forces is still impossible to the people of Wynn

so it not that they did not know Theorick's ice halting the corruption

they just thought ice do halt corruption under extreme condition but they have no way to replicate it

so the theory did get tested

I imagine ice magic is pretty much concentrated use of water magic to control solid water element

so there a lot of idea you can think with wynn try to invent weaponry that use ice magic to the extree extent

[warm flicker]

i feel like this is pretty realistic. Imagine if a Demon from hell invaded the real world, would ur first idea be to throw it into an ice bath? Besides, Elkurn is not affected for whatever reason, and it doesnt seem to be because they have ice magic there

[warm flicker]

i think i said something like this a while ago, something about high pressure water magic

[hybrid gazelle]

Ekurn case is it actually have millitary somewhat???

[warm flicker]

yeh heres my theory

[hybrid gazelle]

like not to extend to the larger city ofc

but there at least someone defending it somehow

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that the corruption growth is so specifically around Nesaak's edge

but then again you could explain it like savahanna

[warm flicker]

i thought there was a secret discovery about this, some scientist was studying this phenomenon and came to the correct conclusion

[hybrid gazelle]

but then almuj millitary probably active there

there is

I think more should imply there is like

attempt to studying it more and not just one guy that already dead

IDK I just think it's good idea to show that more people in the world are not just moron and actually attempt to study for betterment of their lives

cause we see like

[warm flicker]

was wynn in a position for an organization of scientists to form? For most of its history its been incredibly dangerous to be a human in wynn, and even the most fortified and powerful settlements were barely hanging on for most of the war

[hybrid gazelle]

it literally can be scholar group LOL

There bound to be research no matter what this is alien force

it could be indepedent or fund by larger millitary or whatever

they bound to be one

also WE literally said that raid and siege are rare

so if you are not nemract, you are pretty okay behind the wall

when you throwing shit at the wall are not working then there bound to be people who form group and decide they should study the problem and not bashing it again and again

this been going on for 1000 years

people are not moron

tthere literally mercenary group like what left of Sodeta in the jungle

[warm flicker]

no ur right, why arent there at least small groups of scholars or something, its always just one individual doing their own research

[hybrid gazelle]

We have orikal

and uhh

that it

from what I remember

it's weird that we dont have more plague doctor

[warm flicker]

we had garvan before the retcon

[hybrid gazelle]

consider how wynn is literally medival time shit, people would have though corruption as this some sort of hellish forces from the under world

that want to punish them or whatever

[warm flicker]

its a shame we know next to nothing about any kind of religion in Wynn

hell we know more about The Light than any religion in Wynn

[hybrid gazelle]

anyway breaked robe go

[hybrid gazelle]

Using the light as comparison is not much

because we also know nothing of the light

bovemist is a joke despite the fact that Wynn does not really want to use religion in their world to avoid controversial

but like bovemist exist

so it kidna mixed meessage

so it just "we cant display religion as serioues subject but we can make joke out of it"

they are not cooking

but anyway that aside

I think it fine wynn to not be that religion cause I can imagine living it and just believe god is fucking dead

bovenmist if we take it seriously

likely just religion about agriculture

Bob is closet thin to religion like jesus chirst but he probably more down to Earth so people dont worship him as such

[warm flicker]

i think were just too early in the timeline for a Bob religion to form. Right now, a lot of people who knew him are still alive. Once a few generations pass, facts turn into myths, and Bob becomes this legendary figure capable of all sorts of things

[hybrid gazelle]

that also true

I think it fine if we dont have that much religion in Wynn specifcally but for anything else

eh

[warm flicker]

if not a religious figure, then he will become something akin to king arthur

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK much about king aurthur so I cant really give comment to that

but so far the fact Bob is someone willing to enter the bar to have drink with friend

I can imagine the reason why people dont worship him

so it fine

[hybrid gazelle]

What if instead of Fool Eater it called Foot Eater and it lick toes and feet

[woeful abyss]

um

[rain saffron]

…

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/haru-urara-urara-chibi-anime-chibi-uma-musume-gif-17070640574842630862

[regal spire]

Feater

[dim plover]

https://preview.redd.it/js61oicd5z5f1.jpeg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=017ed50626fd15490062dd2ea0ff43014e6d6abe

[quartz mist]

no if it was foot eater that means it would eat you feet-first so you could feel the pain for longer

like falling into a woodchipper

[feral drum]

notifications turned off until i change it, yes

[hybrid gazelle]

the fuckass machine in bikini bottom that Squidward got caught into

[regal spire]

https://tenor.com/view/oceanmamv2-squidward-gif-24842582

Has anyone ever thought of adding one of these things to Corkus lootrun?

Wonder how much garbage Corkus produces to where they’d need this

[warm belfry]

Just finished Realm of Light 1-5

Dullahan deserved better + I can't believe Lari just disappears like that

[vernal coral]

Did you walk into the raid

not start the raid but walk into the building

[hybrid gazelle]

oh yeah ROL kinda ended like that and you have to do raid to feel sense of completion

I think that like one main problem with ROL is that it hype up a lto fo thing but you wont even get to expertience in narratively and they all end up just solely gameplay stuff

IDK how to explain

but it very anti climatic in a way

[warm belfry]

Uhhh no logged off after i finished it

Does something else happen?

[vernal coral]

Alr 🤣

[hybrid gazelle]

nope it just open

[vernal coral]

Did you see lari vanish and rage quit

[hybrid gazelle]

and you can do NOL lol

[warm belfry]

HAHAHAH nahh i had been playing for a while alrdy got tired

[vernal coral]

When you log back on just walk into it

[warm belfry]

I THOUGHT SHE WAS GOING TO HAVE A REDEMPTION ARC im like so

[hybrid gazelle]

she did

it just happen so fast

but her character did get develop

it very hard to notice

[warm belfry]

Yeah... but like

[hybrid gazelle]

it is what it is

[warm belfry]

5 minutes of fame

[hybrid gazelle]

the quest just written under crunch time

[vernal coral]

When are you getting developed

[warm belfry]

Me??

[soft radish]

Nah screw Fruma, ROL rework when?

[warm belfry]

Never

[hybrid gazelle]

ROL rework probably happen at some point

since CTs do want to remake it

[warm belfry]

Hopefully

[hybrid gazelle]

probably as they rework along the way

ROL just alreayd known for being questionably written quest

[warm belfry]

No but fr tho

I did ROL 3/4 and i was just head in hands the whole time

Lari why

[vernal coral]

People actually really hate lari

They don’t see what I see in her

[warm belfry]

I mean i can see why

LOL

[warm belfry]

What do you see in her

Share your wisdom

[vernal coral]

Nothing

[warm belfry]

Thats crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

funnily enough most Lari hate just mostly base on misconception

but then again could not blame for them since it hard to keep track on what happen in ROL

[warm belfry]

Whats the misconception

[hybrid gazelle]

but overall it still does not really save her from being actaully good character

it just player could have critize her better

[hybrid gazelle]

the misconception is that Lari is the only one responsible for whole thing

even thho like

[vernal coral]

Yeaaa buddy she’s the best character ever please back off

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion play a large part in everything gone wrong due to his inactivity

[warm belfry]

Damn yea

[hybrid gazelle]

but that more of like

the writers themselves

forgot that he exist LOL

cause again

crunch time

[warm belfry]

Also the elves like cutting the elder tree and opening the portal between worlds

Not ROL but

[warm belfry]

True

I mean he's literally god

Why couldnt he have chosen another person in the 1000 years lari like didnt do anything

Kind of weird

[hybrid gazelle]

It

uncomfirm rn

so we gotta wait for the write or more info

it kinda hard to discuss cause it literally just

the quest was written in its time

so literally we dont know what is intentional or not intentional

[warm belfry]

Yeah thats fair

It's a really old quest?

[warm flicker]

was it written when gavel first came out?

[hybrid gazelle]

it not

LOL

it was rewritten in Gavel reborn

which is like

not relatively long ago but still long?

but not long eonugh for them to go back and rewrite ROL

it just cduring odd time where they start caring about the story

but they dont have the skill or planning to do so

so it just

a mess really

[warm belfry]

Damn

[vernal coral]

Trashie is too passionate about this you’re typing so violently

[warm flicker]

if they do actually rewrite the quest, id like some post-ROL dialogue options regarding Orphion's claim that the decay will be reversed, maybe a farm somewhere is yielding better crops, or flowers in a garden are blooming again, something small

[warm belfry]

Oo thatd be nice

[vernal coral]

@warm belfry you gotta do the raid or at least just walk into the building

It’ll change your life (not really)

[warm belfry]

Heh next time i log on

[vernal coral]

So in 3 months

[warm belfry]

Yep

[vernal coral]

Alriiight

[warm belfry]

@warm flicker curiously what does Olmic mean?

[hybrid gazelle]

olmic are related to olms

[warm belfry]

Im assuming its a lore thing too but maybe not one ive encountered yet

[hybrid gazelle]

a spieces in wynncraft

[warm belfry]

Ahh

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean

you would have

you KINDA did

with decript sewer

since Witherhead is an olm

so as Garoth

[warm belfry]

OH

Wow thats so far back

Huh okay!

[warm flicker]

yeah its about the Olms

[warm belfry]

Cool beans

I didnt even know they were a thing

Maybe I'll just ask here too

[warm flicker]

ask away, trashie or i probably have an answer

[warm belfry]

Is there a way to cure dullahan?

[warm flicker]

oh i meant in regards to olmic history lol

for that idk

[warm belfry]

Thank you wise loremasters

Welp LOL

Uhh just. Whered you even find out about olms?

I didnt know they were a category

[warm flicker]

they can be found in three locations, the lowest level is Time Valley. But they also exist in the underground city in Wynnexcavation D within the Dernel Jungle, and the Silent City in the Silent Expanse

[warm belfry]

Oo

Might check those out

[warm flicker]

the Silent Expanse has the most Olmic lore we know of

[hybrid gazelle]

olms are pretty underrated spieces that like

[vernal coral]

Yea just casually walk into the silent expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft kinda failed to protray how cool they could be??

which kinda sad

[warm belfry]

Havent unlocked silent expanse yet i believe

[hybrid gazelle]

if you just finish ROL then yeah

you aint unlock SE yet LOL

[warm belfry]

Aw man

[warm flicker]

its kind of like knowing only about the fall of the Roman Republic, as opposed to all of its military and cultural success

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean yeah sure but like

whenever they being brought up they only ever discuss about the time aspect fo their cosmic magic LOL

what is in the game kinda underwhelming for the implication of civilization capable of manipulating time and space

like I mean dejavu did kinda good? but it never been large scale

[warm flicker]

besides, from what little wynncraft gives, we can glean they had an observatory specifically dedicated to viewing the past AND future, they controlled vast territories across south Wynn, had a religion revolving around runes and their powers, and were probably the first organized state in Wynnic history

[hybrid gazelle]

Literally exploring olmic ruins would be job on its own LOL

like imagine all the undiscover technology

[warm flicker]

we need Junes to get on this

[hybrid gazelle]

June only exist for desert area and her goal is kinda generic?

I am talking about more large scale adventurers group because like

these kind of thing would open a lot more job oppurnity

because it not just wow cool ancient thing

that madeu p history

it also literally like

ancient thing that could change the entire fate of entire spieces

teleportation alone could turn economy upside down

[warm flicker]

speaking of which, how did an Olmic teleportation obelisk end up in Nemract of all places?

[hybrid gazelle]

that mostly an odd gameplay feature LOL

IDk wynncraft is weird like that

like

there is AN attempt to draw connection from the lore to the gameplay

but most of the time they just done it a way that spark more question

tahn it should havei f they just do it another way

[warm flicker]

i had a whole theory that the Olm were actually present in northern Wynn as well, because along the coastal mountains are some ruins that look awfully Olmic like

poor Yvilline has no clue what we are talking about lol

too lost in the Olmic sauce

[hybrid gazelle]

it wild how olmic stuff could be compare to htat of wh40k alien tech if they expand further into it

but we dont relaly have that

it just like

kinda tame stuff about time and space?

I guess we only have like

[hushed comet]

Lets talk guilds.

[hybrid gazelle]

shovel that can reverse time

somehow

[hushed comet]

What is the deal with PROF?

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean it fine but like that the only thing we got

[hushed comet]

Why do they have the entirety of Silent Expanse most of the time? What is the lore around this.

[hybrid gazelle]

this was part of like

my idea for Wynnex remake at some poiont

to show case olmic tech

[warm flicker]

if i had to guess, the Olm had mastered time magic to such an extent that they could enchant a shovel to time warp and dig a massive hole in literal seconds

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah that fine

I really like that

I just wish there more into the world building

I thhink having olms ruin and artifact impact the society in Wynn could be cool thing to see

imagine adventurers being hired as body guards for explorer wanting to investigate the ruins to get artifac

[warm flicker]

this is why content team needs to make us writers of olmic lore fr (joke)

[hybrid gazelle]

there a lot of story that could be write with olmic artifact in mind as like

this important artifact that kick start the story

like maybe there some losing battle going on so the army need to go ask for certain group that withheld the olmic artifact for them to use to turn the tide of war

IDK there like

a lot of thin you can do

I have homebrew a sub faction called collector guild

who essentailly group of people that been researching and collecting olmic artifacts and withheld them

honestly I feel like I should scrap them and replace them with new rework grookwart

[dim plover]

and dig a massive hole in literal seconds
Wait what

[warm flicker]

theres no evidence of this, just thought of it as a hypothetical use

[dim plover]

Oh

That makes sense

[hybrid gazelle]

design for Captain Ragon for corruption lore study

[limber swan]

why is bro grabbing himself so hard?

dude is holding on to his armor for dear life

[hasty spoke]

He was originally just a field researcher about elements, he isn’t used to wearing armor

[quartz mist]

ik that's just how you do you villagers/whatever the name is you call then I think it starts with an S but I don't remember but I do find it funny how this man is just made of squares

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah no they are like

very blocky and have thin limbs

[quartz mist]

I mean like, from what I recall seeing of your other villagers this guy is even squareier

[hybrid gazelle]

Sellan lol

but yeah this is first time drawing Ragon

I proably will relax his hand a bit

[quartz mist]

to be sure it isn't a complaint or anything

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I underrstand

TBH probably for the better than these guys blockier

to kept minecraft vibe withou the

uhhh

less weird trait

fun fact about his armor

it meant to be base more on more fat armor

since villager or sellans in this take are more fatt or wider than human

that why they need compltetly different armor to fit their body

[eternal helm]

Do we ever see/know who tf Selium is?

(The guy who came from fruma at like 900 ap to tell Wynn they’ll aid Wynn in the war)

Or is that all we know

And theyre just kinda a nobody

[hybrid gazelle]

Being a sovereign is farrr from being nobody lol

That like saying somebody who directly working with the royalty is not important

So far we don’t know who they are

But as their title said, they seems to be very important

But consider the time they were alive was 100 years ago

It might be possibly they might be long dead by the time we visit fruma

Or something else can happen, who know

[eternal helm]

they’re a sovereign?

When did it say that 😭

[regal spire]

Mhm

Llevigar library

They’re implied to be associated with the sovereigns

[eternal helm]

I mean some Wynn characters lived past 200 (not including like elves etc.)

[eternal helm]

Gavel/higher up gavelians are??

why didn’t I know this

[regal spire]

No, nobody from gavel is actively involved with the sovereigns, beyond the Ragni king

(As of now, at least)

Llevigar library just reveals a single set of documents detailing a deal between Wynn and Fruma, where the Ragni King is basically the border patrol officer that offers new recruits citizenship

The sovereigns involved with representing the word of the queen—or an overall decision between the sovereigns and the queen—are described to have offered the deal, but the documents offered to the llevigar library are purely out of generosity from the King of Ragni

[spring kernel]

the one single time it mentioned their name

[regal spire]

Tbh, my first time reading it, I thought “Sovereign Selium” was a weird sort of rank

Then, I realized that’s probably just a name

(But, it’s kinda hard to get it, ar first, sometimes. Wynns got so many goofy names)

[warm flicker]

Thesead coal miner vs Corkian mining robot would be the Wynncraft equivalent of the legend of John Henry

[warm flicker]

i thought it implied that Ragni had some association with the sovereigns, because all that material was donated by Ragni's king

[exotic yew]

Speaking of, are there Fruma king

[regal spire]

“Matriarchal society”, so I’d assume no

[vestal rivet]

they got them a queen or an empress

[exotic yew]

But you'd still need to have heirs tho

Or else why would there be royal family

[vestal rivet]

then the heir defaults to eldest daughter instead of eldest son

[exotic yew]

What does this have to do with having a king or not

[regal spire]

Because that’s not what a matriarchy is

[vestal rivet]

matriarchal means they got a woman leader
they can still have a king but the queen would outrank him and daughters would be mroe important for the bloodline

[exotic yew]

Yeah so they do still have king then?

[regal spire]

No, because a matriarchal society implies a government ruled by one. It’s basically a dictatorship with a woman in power

[vestal rivet]

maybe idk
high chance it's an immortal queen
lower chance to be a consort situation where the big boss lady's hubby isn't very politically important

[regal spire]

If there was a king, it’d be literally useless and basically no different than a presidents wife

[exotic yew]

Still has a title of "king"

[vestal rivet]

I think this sums it up pretty well

[regal spire]

It wouldn’t

Because king isn’t a terminology used within a matriarchy.

[exotic yew]

Like I did not said this supposed king has any power btw

[vestal rivet]

I mean it COULD
very likely would not though
even if it didn the title wouldn't have any weight

[regal spire]

It would be a husband, nothing else

[exotic yew]

And that does not matter because that was not my scope

[exotic yew]

Ic ic

Wait

[warm flicker]

who knows maybe this queendom of fruma has only ever had one queen, who somehow achieved immortality/long life

[vestal rivet]

let's be real though lol
Fruma's queen/empress/whateverothertitle is likely immortal or smthn

[regal spire]

We don’t know how they intend to set up what fruma’s matriarchy will look like, so there could potentially be some creative liberties taken into implementing a “king”, but it’d have to be so little of a factor within governmental affairs, there’d be zero reason of even categorizing it

[exotic yew]

Well who knows really

[warm flicker]

content team knows

and they aint spilling

[vestal rivet]

we literally only know they have a woman leader

[exotic yew]

Well I can see some male has some high-ups ranks in the queen's guard

[vestal rivet]

who happens to be powerful

[exotic yew]

But again

I cannot confirm how their society runs

[vestal rivet]

maybe some of the sovereigns are dudes
maybe they're all women themselves

[exotic yew]

I don't think you called women "sir"

[regal spire]

It’s being set up—from what I’ve seen—to be a utilitarian party with informative/representatives made to continue the influence of the matriarchy (the queen)

[vestal rivet]

I musta missed that mb

[regal spire]

There is only one ruler, and it’d be entirely up to that ruler to categorize whether or not their living heirs/blood relatives have any name, power, or association within the matriarchy, beyond useless titles

[exotic yew]

Well tbf that was not in my scope when I first asked the question but since that's what we're talking about so here we go

[warm flicker]

maybe if we have an immortal fruman queen we can ask her about the Olm (HINT HINT CONTENT TEAM)

[exotic yew]

I supposed they did not take the matriarchial to the extreme

But idk

[dim plover]

I have spent so much time on my fanmade version of Fruma’s sovereigns that it’s going to be really jarring for me once we see the real ones

[exotic yew]

Imperial captain sounds imoortant

[vestal rivet]

we seen the shoes of one of em and nothing else iirc

them platform shoe things

[dim plover]

Didn’t we see their torso and hair as well

They have like a white hairbun style or smth

[vestal rivet]

idr the hair
torso maybe
gotta watch that trailer/teaser thing again

[dim plover]

Watch it again yeah

[exotic yew]

Well, imma look into how Fruma is written but I'm a bit worried whether they would meet my expectations for matriarchial society

[dim plover]

We see the back of them

[vestal rivet]

I thought we only saw the back of their lower half
so like their shoes and their pant legs and just about nothing else

[hybrid gazelle]

But this is human we talking about

[exotic yew]

Did they not have some sorta pony tail?

[dim plover]

To be honest I legitimately thought that the Sovereign we see in the video was female

Or like, feminine

[exotic yew]

Might be

[vestal rivet]

I couldn't tell
could be either really

[exotic yew]

Ok first off, wow I'm offended

[dim plover]

(Regardless, in my FakeFruma version of Fruma they’re non-binary)

[exotic yew]

Long hair doesn't mean feminine wdym

Those are pretty common in asia

[vestal rivet]

me when real life doesn't have many matriarchal societies in comparison to patriarchal societies to draw inspiration from
fantasy gets over that one easy most of the time, except that 50% of the time and 49% of the time it ends up being a background detail

1% of the time it's good (help me find the 1%)

[regal spire]

I think it’s just the general walk/ physique the sovereign shown in the trailer portrayed. It’s got very noticeable hip movements, and is modeled to look for feminine

[exotic yew]

We need it to be more plot relevant ngl

[regal spire]

However, that could always just be the trait of a dude, or be whatever they want

[exotic yew]

But it's gonna be hell for Wynn because they never specified our soldier's gender

[dim plover]

They’re missing in my version solely because I haven’t finished recreating their model

I just made them canonically too busy to show up when the player was summoned in front of the court

[vestal rivet]

silent protag problems

[dim plover]

Just placed a thunder spear in their place to sort of silently imply that they’re the combat type

[exotic yew]

I disagree because that's just baggy pants you can find commonly in medieval era

[exotic yew]

No not really

But Wynn intended for you to self insert

[dim plover]

I’m probably going to make them perpetually wear a knight helmet or smth

Since their face isn’t revealed

[exotic yew]

So it makes sense they did not specify anything about you at all

[warm flicker]

my gender is whatever kills Annie faster

[vestal rivet]

They don't want to make multiple sets of dialogue for dif genders and they also want players to be able to play as themselves
so it's left ambiguous on a LOT of things

[exotic yew]

Wait a fucking minute

[vestal rivet]

I play games more like OCs than myself
although the OCs usually have elements tied to me or use common themes

[dim plover]

I kinda don’t like how Wynncraft has started to give the player’s dialogue options actual lines spoken by the player

[exotic yew]

ARE THEY WEARING A PLACKART WITHOUT CHESTPLATE

[dim plover]

I kinda wanted the player to be always silent and never have a single word of on-screen dialogue

[exotic yew]

Wtf

[dim plover]

If you read my Gone With The Wind fic the player isn’t mute but they never speak a single word while the narrative is focused on them

They talk to Qira like, between chapters

[exotic yew]

Bro got PLACKART and tassets on but no chestplate

[dim plover]

What’s plackart

[exotic yew]

How does this armor works

[dim plover]

Nvm just googled it

[exotic yew]

Piece of armor covering your abdomen

[vestal rivet]

is that an exposed chest?

[exotic yew]

Yes?

[vestal rivet]

like open jacket situation

[exotic yew]

That's a tassets

It's literally gilded metal plate

[hybrid gazelle]

Top 10 armor you should wear if you want to be assassinated

[vestal rivet]

looks like a dude on account of not needing to hide a chest feature then
unless the apparel is extremely similar to their skin color

[exotic yew]

Wow they actually make me mad LOL

[exotic yew]

Why did they wore a PLACKART then

[vestal rivet]

the armor sets with full coverage are the coolest

[exotic yew]

Not only that

Plackart are usually hold up by a chestplate

[regal spire]

I hate it

[exotic yew]

How the fuck does this one holding in place

[vestal rivet]

seems to be no chestplate
plackart held up by unreleased expansion hype energy

[exotic yew]

What if it's a really tight belt

[regal spire]

I hate that we’ll be forced into options that are “erm, what the scallop?” Levels of ridiculousness, and then I’m sitting there going “I wouldn’t say it like that”

[vestal rivet]

they wearing a corset under everything bcs why not at this point

[exotic yew]

I agreed, I liked our silent protag more.

[dim plover]

Is that not just their collar

I never saw it as open clothing

[vestal rivet]

lemme have the option to be stubbornly stoic to an unreasonable degree
talk like kratos in the 2018 reboot but like without any experience behind it

"We go in the direction of xp"

[exotic yew]

Ok actually it can be held in place by very tight belt #the more you know

[hybrid gazelle]

Get captain Ragon design down probably gonna try to see how orikal should look

[regal spire]

Them giving us a small, special option to make our character more goofy is fine, to me, but having ALL the answers be almost entire sentences worth of response, and making them respond in such unnaturally developed ways is what bugs me so much.

[shut hornet]

because it looks cool

[eternal helm]

I forget if mael had some reason to stay alive lore wise but iirc he lived for like 300 years

I might be dumb but iirc he did live past any normal number

[hybrid gazelle]

that either dumb down to magic or wynncraft timeline being like

god awful that they also forgot how long human actaulyl lvie

so IDK LOL but for the sake of sanity

we just assume it magic shit somehow

like we are talking about the lore that have 0 idea how economy, logistic, and even time itself work LOL

[eternal helm]

Mael Twain was a member of the Twain family, a house of orphaned gifted individuals adopted by Marius Twain around 530 AP to help in Wynn's Corruption War

Finally, someone came: Bob, a soldier fresh from his training with the master Chak, arrived in the Twain Mansion in 871 AP, looking for a master who would teach him the art of the bow

so

uh

Yea

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah like

assume it's magic going on

cause literally trying to take these story srly just

uh

yeah

this is pretty old material

[eternal helm]

Someone put some curse on him to let the story allow him to teach Bob before passing on

[rotund sphinx]

Personally I always thought he trained with Mael’s ghost

[hybrid gazelle]

he probably is because I remember like

the 4 masters appear before Bob and gone

[eternal helm]

They should at least explain it through like the spirits giving him life or smtn idk

[rotund sphinx]

Given the signs of Bob’s teachers being spirits of some sort

[hybrid gazelle]

wait did not it said Mael die after teaching Bob????

I forgot

[eternal helm]

Smtn like dullahan idk ☠️

[rotund sphinx]

And also Mael has been shown to project his spirit even to the present day

With that one quest

[eternal helm]

He needed to teach someone before dying or smtn

[rotund sphinx]

Alem or whoever he is

[eternal helm]

Eventually, as he became older and more frail, he stayed in the mansion's library, learning the arts of Wynn and waiting for someone that he could pass them on before dying.[3]

[rotund sphinx]

Idk if I missed something but I always read it as Mael knowing how to linger and how to move on as a spirit
And chose to remain until he taught Bob

[hybrid gazelle]

Hoenstly Mael proejct himself as spirit probably make most sense

so I gonna take that

[rotund sphinx]

He’s been shown to do it with Alem in that one jumpscare quest

[eternal helm]

They needa say this in the lore smh

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah I know

taht why i said like

it make the most sense

[eternal helm]

I remember back when that quest was modern for its time… lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Someday it will be remake

just some day

again tbh I can't hardly know what is intentional or not consider this setting has Bak'al arua farming for 100+ years before actaully get to do something

[eternal helm]

When they care abt lore again and not endgame content.. which I mean is good.. but.. STORY ✨ 📚

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder the original lore stuppose to be 100 years btw

but the paragon of intellect for some reason

decide to extend it by 1000 years

so we got like

lore that felt like it being written by alien

200 years war is fucking crazy

I know there is a war irl that last longer than that but that only because outside factor like civil war

[eternal helm]

Yea bakal is made out to be so scary and dangerous and it’s like.. did Dern just prevent him from doing stuff bc it feels like he could’ve easily blown up the entirety of Wynn in 1000 years

[hybrid gazelle]

Bak'al literally

does fucking nothing

until lke

very end

WHAT IS HE DOING

[rotund sphinx]

Orphion sending a psychic projection to stop Bak’al or something idk

Dude be doing everything EXCEPT guiding Lari

[hybrid gazelle]

Orphion sending Bak'al the TF2 mercs buff and caked up slideshow

https://tenor.com/view/benjiisaking-vegeta-goku-super-saiyan-crazy-gif-8360252401475058371

[eternal helm]

Tbh it would be cool if they reworked some of the lore and made bakal like one of the fruman sovereigns or smtn that got corrupted 50 smtn years before bob

Idk

[hybrid gazelle]

200 years war over 1 region in Gavel is crazy work

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh anything work I guess???

TBH I prefer if Bak'al is Dern Beast servant FIRST

and corrupted later

[rotund sphinx]

No the real reason is Santa was fighting Bak’al

[hybrid gazelle]

because it would give more oppuirnity to have Dern Beast do shit behind the scene

[hybrid gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/mgrv-raiden-punching-armstrong-gif-24576818

[eternal helm]

Tbh I’m just awaiting the big lore / story rework update

[hybrid gazelle]

it gonna take A LOT

[rotund sphinx]

I really hope we get a Fruma quest to help Santa deliver coal to the Sovereign or something

Something dumb like that

[hybrid gazelle]

Reminder entire parasite hunt take 800 years

[eternal helm]

☠️

[hybrid gazelle]

it fucking crazy work

it take SKILLS

to forget how times work consider this is written by people who live on Earth

[eternal helm]

Wait there’s a video for Wynn lore one sec

[hybrid gazelle]

like again I

I do not want to be rude but like

[eternal helm]

This thing

[hybrid gazelle]

dude c'mon like

[eternal helm]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IuLsZwb_nPM

[hybrid gazelle]

JUST C'MONNNN

WTF THEY BEEN FIGHTING FOR 200 YEARS

[eternal helm]

Real

[rotund sphinx]

Bak’al was like “screw that farmer in particular”

[hybrid gazelle]

reminder this is like

the rate Bak'al army can fucking move

and this is 882 AP

the war begin in 0 AP

wtf was he doing 700 YEARS BEFORE THAT

[rotund sphinx]

Takes a long time to gather corpses ig

[neat oriole]

prob was just picking off random towns to get soldiers from

[rotund sphinx]

Dude probably forgot he could kill people and was just waiting for them to die

[hybrid gazelle]

Also wtf you mean that Bak'al army burn down Nivla Woods

then next year Bak'al army concitnue to advance toward Ragni

AND THEN ANOTHER 2 YEARS JUST FINISH BREACH DOWN NIVLA WOODS

HOW LONG IS IT TO BURN DOWN A WOODS MAN

WTF

NIVLA FOREST CANT BE THAT BIG

[rotund sphinx]

Its a pretty big forest tbf

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing that ocnfuse me is that

884 AP IMPLY they get pass the forest

but 886 AP they did not???

[neat oriole]

do frumans just forget everything the microsecond they leave the borders

[eternal helm]

Tbh if that’s a YEAR, the current year in Wynn (assuming it’s 1000 AP) once the player is lvl 106 it has to be like 1040 AP or some bs

[hybrid gazelle]

Like holy molly 90% of Bak'al army consist of corrupted snails cause that the only way to explain it

[rotund sphinx]

Yea apparently

[eternal helm]

Yes

[neat oriole]

that's crazy

[hybrid gazelle]

oh nah we probably still at 1000 AP LOL

the entire game that we know it

take 1 year

The breaking point is still at 1000 AP

[eternal helm]

I can chop all the trees in Nivila forest 500 times before I’m lvl 100, and bakal takes like FOUR YEARS WITH AN ARMY

[rotund sphinx]

Honestly I feel the most reasonable solution would be that zombies are slow and easy to kill, so it was more a very slow siege than a war

But then Bak’al can just Malevolent Shrine anyone he wants so idk

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that like

not really I dont think zombie said to be that slow and even then

that mean they would be 0 threat to anyone LOL

and we have like

literal goliath jumping down from high place

these zombies got fucking moves

[rotund sphinx]

Evolution in Zombie technology

Zombie steroids

But also yeah

Wasn’t Bak’al actively fighting the Twains

[hybrid gazelle]

also btw this is like quest after breaking point

slike at best I coudl give is the entire game take 2 years AT LEAST or 1

like

just 1 year

[rotund sphinx]

I don’t think the Twains were around THAT long

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK most of them are old and bread

so like

they are pretty long

[rotund sphinx]

Though ik like the Sodeta guild and other things exist

[hybrid gazelle]

oh Sodeta Guild I think

is post Bak'al

I THINK

yeah it is

[rotund sphinx]

Yeah
Honestly if I was rewriting it I would just make the Twain family a much longer running house of mages + like Sodeta and other guilds and have them fighting off Bak’al until Theorick dies and the fire one I forgor the name of gets corrupted. THEN Bak’al begins to march, gets turned back at Troms, sieges Deltas for a while, and eventually moves on to Ragni

[hybrid gazelle]

literally the only conclusion I could think is Salted might be an alien and cowfusion quest is just CT hint the message in secrect

[rotund sphinx]

With the goal of taking Ragni and using the Pigman Ravine Passage to get into Troms

[hybrid gazelle]

that probably make sense yeah

I dont mind that

there at least an attempt to fix this god forsaken timeline

😭

[rotund sphinx]

Then draw up his marching plans

And there’s plenty of places to make him have setbacks

Can’t take out Troms due to Skylarr, Nessack’s cold hindering him, Almuji and its giant wall, the siege of Detlas

Maybe Charon is a former general that rebelled and there’s infighting around Nemract for a while

I would also probably make Bak’al aura farm a bit less

[hybrid gazelle]

honestly

that what I want for Charon too

[rotund sphinx]

Sure he’s really strong and can 1v1 anyone except maybe the head Twain, but he can’t wipe out an army on his own

[hybrid gazelle]

Please let Bak'al have aura because like

he LOSING in villain battle rn bro he LOSING

[rotund sphinx]

So he can’t actually just solo Deltas

And needs his army

[hybrid gazelle]

dont eve nget me to Fraud of Worlds 😭

bro did NOTHING in the timeline

[rotund sphinx]

Oh I forgot about him

Honestly

[hybrid gazelle]

Annie onyl get added in 2.1 and probably done more than CoW

in the timeline

Fraud of Worlds does fucking nothing

[rotund sphinx]

I also SOMEHOW forgot about the Temple of Legends

Who realistically

Those guys are fighting Bak’al and his army

Make the Temple an adventurer’s guild type thing from fantasy
With all the different lines and families and guilds of warriors under them

But they slowly die out

Or are corrupted

And over a long time the lines of warriors fall until the Temple is a shadow of its former glory

And only the Twains are left

Theorick’s hubris dooms that last line of defense

And in desperation Troms turns to Skylarr

Bak’al vs Skylarr

[hybrid gazelle]

A guy who did fucking nothign VS the guy that could do everything but did not do anything

I think it wild to remember that Slykaar literally solely discover the concept of DNA, genetic, mutation, and cloning in his fucking cave

alone

[winter fjord]

All annie does is go through the portal and get spawncamped

[hybrid gazelle]

that is gameplay wise

but in lore Annie or something like it did fight Bob

and then later emerge again and it took combine effort of different armies in wynn to fight against it

you cant take world event for granted because it only for gameplay and there is no record of Annie actaully did emerge in 1000 AP

[hybrid gazelle]

Orikal design for the lore study

next to Captain Ragon

[exotic yew]

should have give him guns then

those also looks pretty cool

[shut hornet]

incredible logic

[pliant plank]

How useless is bakal

[topaz garnet]

wut the dog doin

[cold cove]

Reach level 101 and do (quest spoilers)

||a
Journey further||

[exotic yew]

Talk with half-assed logic, get half-assed response. Idk it's quite simple really.

[shut hornet]

no need to be so rude