📚lore_discussion

[regal spire]

She was probably bullied when she was growing, tbh, and hyper fixated on a single aspect of her culture that helped her dissociate, which is to be generally less inclined to violence and showcase your intellectual superiority by outwitting and pacifying your opponent. (Elves definitely kill, though, when prompted the need to)

Guarantee she just shut down and justified her position by telling herself “if I hurt anyone, I’m bad, so if I never hurt anyone, I’m better than everyone.” And it only got worse when she was picked by orphion

[slender copper]

Huh, never thought that the problem started even before she was chosen... just thought that the "orphion told me to follow my heart" (believe she said that in part 4) was the cause and misunderstanding of it's statement.

[regal spire]

She was shown for a single sentence in aldorei part 2, and that kinda adds to her character/past, but it ain’t really enough to truly justify this thought process.

Everything I’m saying is entirely head canon, because it’s the only sort of thing I can imply from a character like her

Taking her character at face value is just a bad idea, because she would have zero justification for anything, and the bit you could muster from what’s shown is so selfish, it can only portray her negatively

[spice bloom]

When the player kills the parasite in NOL, do we stop the decay or at least diminish it

[regal spire]

We do

Slowly, the parasites will have no way to replicate themself and they’ll die off as we keep squashing them

Orphion will regain their strength and be able to effectively sweep the lil ones

[spice bloom]

So if the decay is solved then Lari only has one last thing to resolve and that’s Dullahan castle

That would be an epic raid

[regal spire]

Dullahan is doomed, he’s gonna die when we get to him

[spice bloom]

Lari should sacrifice herself to save him

Or she has to be the one to finally kill him

Both would be nice ways to give Lari redemption

[spice bloom]

He seems pretty livid in rol tho

[warm flicker]

how is this guy like the only other still conscious human in SE?

[spice bloom]

Corporate greed

[regal spire]

Guy has a purpose, fueled by the potential paycheck he gets

[spice bloom]

Or silverbull are wynnexcavation part 2

And they are looking for a mythic loot chest

[warm flicker]

i heard a theory a while back that silverbull did send a lootrun master out there, but after our first lr they get killed and replaced with a dernic clone or something

[spice bloom]

Lmao bro got outsourced

[regal spire]

I could see the potential for so much extra, lore related, world building content constructing a lootrun camp for SE could offer

I had this idea that, when encountering Feater in a lr, you’d have to walk through its den at least once to trigger it finding you, only for silverbull syndicates to have to either distract the thing to help you kill it, or get you the fuck out of there

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly there some thought to make Aldorei’s secrect connect to rol but I eventually reject that idea due being too much quest invovle in already long quest line

But Aldorei itself will have full makeover when I do it’s related quest

But overall some stuff from Aldorei’s quest will contribute to Rol rewrite such as elder Alder appearance

[regal spire]

Imagine how cool the potential for lootrunning lore could be if /kill was suddenly an emergency rescue command, where a silverbull syndicate member who scouts and watches lootrunners sends a fast travel—all through text—to justify the time loss and quick travel to camp

[warm flicker]

who would win:
the unstoppable force of capitalistic greed
or the immovable forces of Darkness

[regal spire]

Or, certain challenges could involve you saving members of the syndicate, having them interact with the challenge themselves, even having lil models of the syndicate at outposts during LR’s to watch for you

[hybrid gazelle]

Overall just having problem with finding the light rn because the plan thst I habe pretty much dialogue until Eih boss fight so I must add some gameplay

Probably use these gameplay to display Lari’s growth and allow us to work morr with Lari

[spice bloom]

Yea silverbull doesn’t send out anybody to help you lol

It’d be cool if they were to pop in

[regal spire]

I always justify our death as someone coming in to help us

[spice bloom]

Besides that yea

[regal spire]

That’s why there’s no real death in a lr, and why it’s only followed by a time loss

Just wish this was actually the case, and that the silverbull syndicates presence was better felt (ONLY IN LR’s)

[warm flicker]

i also find the whole lutho being the end game hub to be hilariously jarring. Like in the SE questline, u find Lutho as this small settlement cut off from the rest of the world for almost 2000 years, but once u get into the town its full of end game players zipping around, the wynncraft shop showcasing the latest sales, and the silverbull people just outside the gates

[hybrid gazelle]

Like I always wanting to aim more player interaction into this rewrite

Likely going through many draft cause my friend helping me out

[spice bloom]

Not 5 minutes after A Journey Beyond every single Wynn solder strolls their way in lol

[limber swan]

at least she's considerate to the player's values now

[regal spire]

Lutho should be a town that’s slowly built out through quests, events, whatever

[hybrid gazelle]

This one she meant to be “aight damn” kind of reply lol

Oh nvm wrong reply

[spice bloom]

Lol

[hybrid gazelle]

This one meant to be more aight damn kind of reply lol

[regal spire]

There should be nothing, until you start interacting properly with the town, where then a TM is there, an advertisement space, basically have some way to make the monetary aspect of the game something that is implemented naturally by us

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari still but arrogant asshole but she has good intention but she has capability to be nice

[warm flicker]

we will save lutho from the encroaching darkness, and introduce the townspeople to the economic wonders of capitalism

[hybrid gazelle]

Well not full assjole

She still a bit rude but more like tired worker kind of rude

[warm flicker]

nah we will defeat darkness through capitalism

[regal spire]

Make lari behave like the elf in those elf and human comics I’ve been seeing

[hybrid gazelle]

No

[regal spire]

The little gremlin who hates humans, I’d enjoy that way more than who she is now

[hybrid gazelle]

As funny as that jt

That only work because it just big “human x elf” romance

Which does not really work with what I plan for lari and player dynamic

[regal spire]

Didn’t mean to imply that you should do it, just wanted to say it would be funny in general

[warm flicker]

why arent any of the elves incredibly racist to any other species?

[hybrid gazelle]

They kinda are

But more of like

We know we are better kind of things

[regal spire]

Like, if an update had the same quest, but lari was just a tiny gremlin who hated us because she’s super patriotic, I’d laugh

[hybrid gazelle]

It not out right racism

This rewrite also brought overhaul to elves in the setting especially those in Aldorei

[warm flicker]

maybe if the elves had embraced the wonders of capitalism earlier, the decay wouldnt have gotten this bad

[hybrid gazelle]

Elves are pretty powerful it just their numbers are limited and they mostly lack ambitious like villager

[regal spire]

Aren’t they? Seems that they think less of orcs and villagers, just by the vibe of aldorei.

Efilim is definitely the more “hippie” stereotype, though. They’re way more accepting, and super down to earth.

[hybrid gazelle]

They do habe ambitious

[regal spire]

He doesn’t know the decay was originally caused by the villagers greed

[hybrid gazelle]

But it morr if “I ascending to the light” kind of ambition rather than money and conquest like villager

Also on topic of Efilim

Yeah this rewrite also introduce more thing to set part Efilim elves and Aldorei’s elves

[warm flicker]

the fair market wouldve solved everything trust

[hybrid gazelle]

They are not different from each other due to their culture

Efilim elves believe the light to be part of nature itself while Aldorei’s think the light is something else entirely

Both of them are wrong and right in some part

[regal spire]

Honestly, efilim should showcase their more diverse population better, with more hybrid genes than just Olon being a ginger

[hybrid gazelle]

I plan for decayed elves to be feature if Efilim

[regal spire]

In game, it’s just elves and villagers, no real mixed races

[warm flicker]

this just proves being ginger is as much a fantasy trait as being an orc or elf

[regal spire]

Hilariously, it kinda is. Only dwarves and Vikings are shown to have been gingers, which implies that one of Olon’s parents must have been/been related to a dwarf or Viking

[hybrid gazelle]

Decayed elves are essentially like vampire where they need to siphon light in order to function

[regal spire]

It’s kinda rare to have noticeable gingers in Wynn, because of this

[hybrid gazelle]

However some decayed elves are being taken in by Efilim in order to heal and find a way to cure their condition

So yeah I want to fully fresh out decayed elves concept and o Dullahan is not the only on, he jsut a special case

[warm flicker]

we have Ardulf, the half villager half human hybrid

[regal spire]

And everyone hates him because he’s hideous (true)

Poor guy, lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

Villager and elves mixed can be intresting

[warm flicker]

yeah the Light didnt bless him on looks

[hybrid gazelle]

But I can imagine jt but taboo even in their civilization due to the spieces history with one and another

[regal spire]

Big ears, big nose, and a big unibrow 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Efilim is treated as sanctuary to all who suffer from decay

[warm flicker]

Lari but she has a villager nose

[hybrid gazelle]

Villaher will also receive overhaul

[regal spire]

Or, a villager elf hybrid that has none of the traits of either, like a Minotaur with a mermaid making a human situation

[hybrid gazelle]

This is how I would present villaher as

They lead toward wynncraft more cartoony side

Thin limbs yet fat humanoid with 4 fingers and more rectangular head

They often fashion themselves to hide their thin limbs

Due to generational self conscious after being around elves and dwarves

[regal spire]

Villagers being a Neanderthal vs Sapien type of distinction would be cool

[hybrid gazelle]

Which is why the wear long sleeves

[hybrid gazelle]

I would use thst comparison to human and olm more but that could work

In tjis take elves, dwarves, and villager share same ancestor with human at some point in primordial time but olm and human are closer related

[regal spire]

Olm feels way too separate from humans, atp, especially when there’s proof that there were ginormous Olm skeletons

[hybrid gazelle]

They are similar to human where they capable of blending in human population and produce offspring

They are in fact close to human as much as villager close to human

[regal spire]

I forget that there was cross breeding, that’s important

(Bob lmao how could I forget)

[spice bloom]

Are there any Olm left besides time valley and maybe Bob if he’s still alive in dern

And the ones in the jungle in Wynn exc d

[hybrid gazelle]

Not much

They are one in Tmepo town and that it

[spice bloom]

Damn that kinda sucks they got obliterated

I kinda would like to think some of em survived

[regal spire]

I think it’s better of an effect that the Olm were entirely obliterated. Makes their impact feel all the more mysterious, and horrifying

[hybrid gazelle]

But yeah we got 2 case of olms blending in without being notice

[spice bloom]

True true

[hybrid gazelle]

Imply they are visually similar enough

[spice bloom]

Aren’t they like kinda gray tho

Or am I stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

They are gray yes

But that like skin tone different

[regal spire]

They’ve got these weird, statue like facial features, too

Honestly, idk what they’re even supposed to be

[hybrid gazelle]

There only one olms skin and only unique olm we got is Garoth, it’s hard to judge thst is only olm facial feature trait

This is like judging a human face base on just one look

It’s possible thst just like human, olms capabake of having different facial structure between individual

Also Garoth shown to have different skin tone

[regal spire]

Olm are a really interesting species, because they’ve been shown to be compatible with human DNA, but they’re also incredibly diverse in size, physique, even something as simple as facial structure

Like the giant olm skull in that one LR void hole challenge

[hybrid gazelle]

Size thing is difficult to say because we got witherhead who never been mention to be big in lore but she is taller than us

So likely her size came from corruption rather than what she normally was

Consider corruption capable of creating something like Goliath

[regal spire]

Darkness could definitely have a play in why they’re so structurally diverse, but there’s also the possibility of stuff like TNA being Olmic, and how much influence was needed to change a skeleton to be that size and form, as well as the huge variation—leviathan sized even—skeletons of these guys

It’s tough to say if darkness and corruption are the sole reason for their change

[dim plover]

Does Corruption and Darkness just increase the size of dead Olms or smth

If TNA is an Olm then this makes sense

[regal spire]

Hard to tell, since there are goliaths and stuff

[dim plover]

What

[hybrid gazelle]

Not dead olm corruption also has Goliath which is big undead capable of handling a man

[regal spire]

But that might’ve just been a big guy who died

[dim plover]

Oh that

Yeah could be

But how are we sure that it’s the corruption and darkness increasing their size though

And not like, the simpler explanation

[regal spire]

Can’t be, it’s just another one of those logical connections

They could also be logically connected to the fact that they are just big

[dim plover]

Yeah the easier explanation to get to is that the Olms are just that big lol

I haven’t measured them yet but I’m like 90% sure the Olms in Graveyard of the Thousand are the same size as Witherhead

[regal spire]

Or, at least some of them are

[dim plover]

Player models don’t count they are restricted by the fact that they are player models

[regal spire]

I need to find a pic of that huge olm skeleton in that one LR challenge

[dim plover]

I’ll wait and see whenever the first live Olm with a custom model appears in-game

I can’t wait

[hybrid gazelle]

except it not easier because you have to take account to the fact htat olms meant to be blend in with human

so literally being big as in game would not make sense

so best explaination I could give is that wynncraft itself is always bit cartoony

[regal spire]

They’ve got to have some disposition to being big. Maybe it’s an age thing, maybe it’s a magic thing, idk

[hybrid gazelle]

so those size incrase are mostly exggeration

[dim plover]

They already don’t look like humans I don’t see the “trying to blend in” point

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft is a bit on caroony side
not full looney tune but some stuff can happen and treat as normal without proper explaination

[spice bloom]

Wait did the Olm all live underground? Is the SE like underground in a big cave

[hybrid gazelle]

there litaerlly 2 case of olms blending in with human population without being suspicious by the locals LOL

[regal spire]

As of my knowledge, no

[hybrid gazelle]

imply they are similar to humans enough

to not be notice

[regal spire]

There were definitely some structures that went underground, but that’s about it

[dim plover]

Have you been to SE at all

[hybrid gazelle]

and they even capable of producing an offspring

they are in fact similar to human

[dim plover]

95% of the main road literally opens up to the sky

[spice bloom]

But then like hypothetically ermm

[dim plover]

It’s a valley

[spice bloom]

Couldn’t people just fly in

Via airship

[dim plover]

Yeah we don’t know either tbh

[spice bloom]

LMAOOO

[hybrid gazelle]

there is not much reason to fly in with airship above SE

[dim plover]

Anyways when do we choose to use the “Wynncraft is supposed to be cartoony” excuse when resolving plotholes and when do we not

Where do we draw the line

(This is a genuine question)

Because I can probably say the same with like

[spice bloom]

Get around the Eye and the EO just fly over it lmao

And the rest of the desolate land

[hybrid gazelle]

it cartoony in a way it present

where it not full toon force type shit

[dim plover]

Uh

[regal spire]

Honestly, we can justify it for everything until it’s fixed, because a lot of the decisions they’ve made are kinda being actively fixed.

[hybrid gazelle]

but it like somewhat cartoony enough that allow osme humanoid to be larger than they suppose to be

to emphasis in their power in their character design

[dim plover]

Witherhead’s like 50% taller than us

If Olms really did look like humans won’t they just see her as an unnaturally tall woman

[hybrid gazelle]

so essentailly a allow flexibility in character design and shape

[hybrid gazelle]

if you insist of her being that tall while she was alive

sure

but just letting you know goliath exist

[dim plover]

Oh I guess

[hybrid gazelle]

she being this tall could be just corruption's effect

[regal spire]

Giant woman…

[hybrid gazelle]

goliath literally shown to be a human undead

yet it capable of handling an adult with one hand

[regal spire]

Hubbah hubbah

[dim plover]

God I wish I can just ask a CT to clarify this information

I would love to make universe-accurate Olm content

[hybrid gazelle]

corruption may able to mutate

but not to extend of Dern and Light

like literally this thing is steroid

that a armored wearing adult it handling

[regal spire]

I wish it was just generally accessible. They’ve got all this cool lore, but so much of it is locked behind questions and people

Glad the wiki is finally implementing some of it

[hybrid gazelle]

this is not one case too, this is pretty normal thing since we seen more brutes later in the game

like in WE and special encounter

[spice bloom]

If humans are ~two blocks tall, Olm could be three blocks tall

[hybrid gazelle]

these things are not really that rare

and likely not even biggest threat too

[hybrid gazelle]

trying to measure height from in game visual is hard

because for some stuff like dwarves they are tall as human

so it better to just say olms are slightly taller than human

being in minecraft, wynncraft can really display minimal detail

so we go by common sense

[regal spire]

Doguns, now that I think of it, could use the Olm treatment and grow a bit

[hybrid gazelle]

if olms are indeed taller than human then the gap in height might not be too unnoticable

[regal spire]

They don’t feel very imposing, despite the fact that they are

[hybrid gazelle]

Doguns like a bit

difficult spot

[spice bloom]

If the model was slightly taller it could make it seem close to humans but distinct and would make it plausible they the Olm and humans are related

Instead of the Olm being like humungous

[hybrid gazelle]

doguns rn having bad spot becuse these things exist

and IDK how CT going to model a different flavor of humanoid molten creature

without them visually looking the same

[regal spire]

Huh, honestly doguns should’ve looked like this

[hybrid gazelle]

if people notice villager more from human population

but nobody point out olms

I feel like olms probably similar to human more than villager lOL

[spice bloom]

True true

[hybrid gazelle]

and villagers literally just

human with big nose

which likely to be change

[regal spire]

Villagers might be the ugliest species to ever be conceived

[hybrid gazelle]

jewish sterotype be crazy

[regal spire]

They’re just humans, but they’ve got every awful disgusting trait of getting old

[hybrid gazelle]

villagers likely going to be change in the future

but as of rn we can only wait

[dim plover]

Doguns have more patterned cracks, they can make it work

[spice bloom]

Yea lowkey

[dim plover]

They look less like cracks and more like armor

[hybrid gazelle]

that depend, I trust model to make them visually distinct

dwarves remodel should also come too

probably expecting these change if DND ever getting remake

that more likely

so it would be VERY VERY long time

[dim plover]

I can’t wait for actually moving Garaheth

(Make a You Shall Not Pass scene with him)
(Do it)

[hybrid gazelle]

they model Garaheth but force us to get inside it anyway

[regal spire]

Cannot wait for every Goliath type boss to just be a reskinned Annie

That would be the funniest thing ever

[spice bloom]

Lmaoo

New world event

[regal spire]

I had a dream about a Dullahan raid boss just being Annie, but it’s reskinned with dulla’s textures

[spice bloom]

“Elder astal messed up and accidentally summoned Garaheth”

[regal spire]

Now I can’t stop thinking about it

[hybrid gazelle]

also corruption is fucking crazy being it can make scarecrow hostile

it ability to reanimate shit is actually powerful

[dim plover]

Won’t it just be animate

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah animate

[dim plover]

Reanimate implies that the scarecrow was previously alive

[regal spire]

It swayed in the wind, sometimes

Surely it was alive

[hybrid gazelle]

i Like the idea of those who got corrupted have their souls send to realm of war

[dim plover]

This is the one time where it’s appropriate for me to answer with “Must’ve been the wind”

[hybrid gazelle]

and maybe these animated objects are those tormented souls being spew from realm of war to possessed their new form

there also this thing

[regal spire]

“You keep your filthy hands to yourself, thief!”

“Someone there? Hrm?”

[spice bloom]

Imagine being a general of an army and you reanimate into a scarecrow

I’d be pretty angry too

[regal spire]

Love the terrifycrow

Wish this WE just had increasingly funnier scarecrow types

Shockcrow
Frightencrow
Scarecrow
Terrifycrow
Horrifycrow
Mortifycrow

[spice bloom]

What’s WE

[regal spire]

World event

[spice bloom]

Ah right

[hybrid gazelle]

also working on Eih art rn but god I am so hype for how I would design Eih boss fight

like wanna show this again cause i am so proud of it

you would have Lari to help you in the fight where she ocassionally heal and buff you

but also at certain attack where it's impossible to dodge, you have to stay near Lari for her to shield you from the attack

and later on she would bind Eih and exposing the parasite so you can take it down

[spice bloom]

That’s awesome

[dim plover]

The irresistible urge to put a black rectangular bar in the middle of every drawing of a non-humanoid angelic being with 4 or more large wings

[regal spire]

Why’s that so effective lmao

It’s such a simple implication for something incomprehensible

[rotund gust]

silverbull company has the same hr policies and regard for their employees lives as fazbear entertainment

wait

Salttrap

a cow humanoid springlock suit

peak

[regal spire]

Zeerbear and SpringTerminated

[potent sleet]

honestly a cruel metaphor about how peacefulness solves nothing

[hybrid gazelle]

which is not even a message they want to tell LOL
the message they want to tell is gray morality is the solution and not one side or the another

there so much misconception around these kind of topic that sometime I just so done seeing it

that why I dont even bother to join

but it's showcase that ROL failed at its message it intended due to a lot of it

[potent sleet]

Fair, it's too complicated and nuanced of a topic, and for a random RPG quest to prop up this topic through its storytelling

Yikes this didn't go so well

[hybrid gazelle]

It just got a lot in its hand and it cant really come off that well

CT voices their problem with ROL before so it's one of those quest that likely getting rewrite

at some point of time

[potent sleet]

I do wish that the Decay had their ultimatum that wasn't just one of the most unbearable raids in the game

[hybrid gazelle]

decay are weird thing

because it not antagonistic force

unlike corruption

it just a conditiojn

the antagonistic force would be parasite and its spawn

but the decay dont really present that way

even tho they did bit build up

[potent sleet]

Actually, doesn't Lari fight Bak'al at the end of ROL?

[hybrid gazelle]

it difficult to say

yes Lari did fight Bak'al in ROL

[potent sleet]

and unfortunately lose iirc

[hybrid gazelle]

she not really lose

the fight end in kinda draw but lean toward Lari side

Bak's is the one who escape into Dern

that also misconception in the fight

[potent sleet]

idk I don't wanna say that there should be an end to these major issues in their wars but like, we learn about their causes and their effects, and the only solution is to stall for the rest of time instead of making significant progress, or at least knocking down a regenerating pillar, almost like Annihilation

[hybrid gazelle]

From what I learn from CT

[potent sleet]

Like if we had Anni, but for Decay and Anni, but for Corruption (Bak'al even)

[hybrid gazelle]

decay suppose to be stop after you kill Parasite

[hybrid gazelle]

Parasite is Decay version of "annie" if you were to put it

again this is common miconception
decay is not really force of its own

it's a condition

the parasite and its spawns are the cause

they are the one that bring decay

so what the game has rn pretty much all the decay has offer

one thing i would say

parasite spawns dont really show that important in a way it should

[potent sleet]

Meanwhile Wynn's corruption ultimatum is Anni and Bak'al in Dern somewhere

[hybrid gazelle]

we barley get to fight parasite spawns in ROL questline

[hybrid gazelle]

well we dont know really know yet lol

as far as we know annie seems like biggest threat but there is space open for far worse thing

so as Dern

[potent sleet]

I just feel like we should have a big enough achievement to be worth going to Fruma, which supposedly has a war within its walls

[hybrid gazelle]

Well we defeat Colossus

deal with the factory in Corkus

do a lot of thing like ending orc war

stoping second dwarves and dogun war from happening and reconcile the two spieces

kill Charon(that would be big deal but easily overlook)

[potent sleet]

It's just thinking about what Fruma cares about

Cause why would they request US when we're just a refugee sent into another province's war

[hybrid gazelle]

Well we dont really know how fruma gonna be

so they probably have their own reason

but the player character have enough feat to make their presence known around the world

[potent sleet]

It does leave room for speculation

Because every version of Recover the Past makes us want to go into Fruma and give those Fruman soldiers (and queen) a piece of our mind for the psychological pain they've cause us with their totalitarian monarchy

[hybrid gazelle]

Add post quest dialoguwe

[full spruce]

so im assuming its talking about the expanse. Is there anything in the silent expanse that ties back to this letter (its fropm the secret discovery nilrems curse)

his name is apparently robert

[candid fox]

i dont think its talking about the expanse

[full spruce]

its talking about a beast though

"the beast"

feel like theres a lot of references to a so called "beast" in dern

but it might be the corruption portal

[hybrid gazelle]

Yes it's about dern but not strictly SE

It imply that Bob went to Gateway Island to seal Dern Beasst in its realm or something

Nothing to do with corruption portal because if then

it would not make sense LOl

[full spruce]

yeah and it wouldnt make sense that the letter would say that its secret

[full spruce]

the letter continues and ends with "sincerely Robert" is that an alias for bob or is that just another person

[hybrid gazelle]

Robert is Bob real name

[hybrid gazelle]

I think the sercrect part is mostly just the fact he fake his death LOL

[full spruce]

yeah i meant that there was another secret realm AKA dern

but i feel like bob would know about the expanse because the letter also says its "close" which makes sense right

[hybrid gazelle]

ehhh??

not really?

but then again

I would not be surpirse if Bob know cause some mf in thi setting could just happen to know SE

somehow

[full spruce]

SE is very close to detlas so idk, but on the other hand it was secret until the miners discovered it and they sealed themselves off so i guess there wouldnt really be a way to know about the SE. but on the other hand aledar and elphaba did know about it so i guess there would be some ways to know?

[hybrid gazelle]

I guess yeah LOL

Cause reminder some gy like Dren also know

grookwart also know

[full spruce]

True, so i guess its kept more deliberatly hidden to avoid any panic as we can see in the journey beyond quest as well

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is due to the lack of information how they could know this

it kinda like

how

and even then it was the miners intention to avoid the panic, Grookwart and other would not know tose miners intention

cause they all dead

well not dead but like

you get the point

[full spruce]

the miners also wanted to just stop it from spreading right? And everyone that seems to know of it at least has some idea that its extremely dangerous

[hybrid gazelle]

this imply they know it spread LOL
from what we know they just hide it because they dont want to get out or anyone know of it or something

it just OMG INCOMPREHSIBLE HORROR, WE BETTER NOT HAVE ANYONE ELSE SEE THIS OR THEY SCARED FOR LIFE YIKE!!!

that kind of thing

[full spruce]

clearly they havent watched enough horror movies, everyone knows this kinda stuff spreads/j

[full spruce]

fair enough, grookwarts is kinda secret anyway and the journey further mission is also highly secretive, dren i guess just kinda doesnt talk about it or something 😭

[hybrid gazelle]

Grookwart is weird

because it not a secrect

therel ik eactaul invitation send to family and stuff

but since it base on Hogwart

I GUESS???

IDK how secrective can magical school be in magical world

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah SE kinda just have weird thing surrounding it

Eltom is more secrect than SE

[full spruce]

Dern update will hopefully answer a lot of these questions but well probably have to wait like 5 years for that

especially stuff around gateway island is weird as well because why is the darkness not spreading there when it is at another portal in the expanse

[hybrid gazelle]

Honestly highly dbout it LOL

I think it little too late to answer these kind of question

unless you menat bob one

[full spruce]

def what happenned to bob and lari is interesting but those are both pretty clearly gonna be in a potential dern update

[hybrid gazelle]

how grookwart and Aledar discover SE probably sould have answer in AJB LOL

[full spruce]

yeahh

or AJF

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah

[red dome]

Hasn't it been established that corruption doesn't spread well over the ocean?

[rotund gust]

terminated but said like “THE MIMIC!!!” meme

https://tenor.com/view/fnaf-fnaf-memes-the-mimic-five-nights-at-freddy's-fnaf-security-breach-ruin-gif-3935180139478958475

wait

slow modes gone

[full spruce]

gateway island isnt a gate to the corruption realm though, it goes to dern

or the SE. it isnt totally clear

[red dome]

Isnt the corruption implied to be tied to dern though? Bak'al is corrupted but he serves the dern beast.

[hybrid gazelle]

No? Corruption is wild card, Bak'al is not the leader of corruption, he just happe nto use it

Corruption itself do not serve Dern
it just Bak'al

Bak'al =/= corruption
Corruption it itself are wild card that even hostiel to itself

[full spruce]

corruption is kind of a mix between dark and light, Gavel is light, SE is dark. Wynn is in the middle and therefore the realm of war, which is the corruption

[red dome]

Bak'al does have power over corruption forces. But that's besides the point all I'm doing is suggesting that the Ocean acts as a sort of barrier for the different forces in the war of the realms

[hybrid gazelle]

Only the undead
the devils he has no control over from what I remember or at least he never seen controling devils or creature of corruption

[red dome]

But we see him create a corruption spike in one of the Wynn plains discoveries

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont think corruption spike is count as creature and just part of the perk of able to control corruption influence to certain extent

[red dome]

I mean it would seem that the only corrupted he is unable to control would be those who have their own will like Theorick or the corruptor of worlds.

[rotund gust]

sort of. corruption is the byproduct of the two clashing. mixing light and dark will create corruption, but corruption is not made of them

[rotund gust]

iirc, bridge the divide item lore says it’s made of light and dark but isn’t corruption (granted it’s the only example of that)

[exotic bough]

I think bridge of the divide’s lore isn’t canon and twilight is only a theoretical concept in the lore

[rotund gust]

im pretty sure it is canon

it’s in game, until it gets removed it’s canon

[regal spire]

Oh, lmao, nvm

Thought you said great bridge lore

Bridge of the Divide is, likely, a misinterpretation to those who’ve studied it. They believe it to be darkness influenced meets light influenced, but what probably happened was a previously unknown concept was categorized as either light or dark, and then noted the creation from there. It’s likely an elemental thing, or—much more likely—a cosmic item

[rotund gust]

the item is literally called “bridge the divide” it’s a bridge between two dividing forces, light and dark

[regal spire]

Feel like the concept of light and dark we have now makes botd’s lore impossible to ever justify.

It’ll either get reworked, or it’s gonna be one of those red herring type of misinterpretations, where the actual lore doesn’t depict what’s happenings

[lofty glade]

question - what kind of place is this and why the hell did the barriers disappear there? I literally have to fly over the fence and stand near the entrance, and if I fly over the roof, there will be a working exit. WHAT KIND OF CRYPT IS THIS EVEN?!

[keen gate]

...you arrive. You search... To what end?

[lofty glade]

very funny... i'm quite serious. okay, if it's also a useless location, why remove the barriers and what are the signs doing there? (notice when reloading chunks)

[keen gate]

The answer... It will not bring you the end.

[rotund gust]

trust trust it will be relevant to fruma

[lofty glade]

maybe we should stop quoting from A Hunter's Calling?

[hushed comet]

moderation trolling spot

you will get warned/banned if you go there

[lofty glade]

...

here no barriers

[hushed comet]

if you didnt catch it by now the obvious answer is that it's currently unimplemented

[keen gate]

The answer I think is the barriers were removed because someone complained that they were getting in the way when flying over it

[lofty glade]

sounds logical

but any way, wth?

[hybrid gazelle]

probably some cut content that did not really make it in final game LOL

ternaves prison just kinda there

[lofty glade]

ou... it realy prison?

lmao

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean that what some people cal lit LOL

[lofty glade]

I hope they finish it in fruma update

[spring kernel]

i mean that thing has been there forever

and it's just never done anything

[keen gate]

we should turn it into a raid for the next cycle i think

[regal spire]

It was just a random building put in since around 1.12 (might’ve been earlier) of Wynncraft development. I remember some moderation member had started trapping people in there, which is what the barriers were for. It used to be explorable, and it had a lot of cool little nooks and crannies in the build.

Might have some loose connection to the mining town origins of Ternaves, but, as of now, it’s just a relic of the past

[rotund gust]

level 25 raid 💀

[keen gate]

it's just good design you wouldn't understand

[rotund gust]

I think you should put tasim in ternaves jail, and our reason for going to fruma is to help tasim flee the country

[keen gate]

what if instead we put tasim into the next hug emote announcement together with aledar

[regal spire]

Tasim X Aledar blowpipe+kneeling emote

[keen gate]

please do not do this ingame

[regal spire]

Can’t afford either cosmetic, anyway

[foggy zinc]

the fact the barriers are now is nutty

been like a decade lol since that thing was added

[regal spire]

Has it seriously been a decade???

(God I’m old lol)

[candid fox]

https://forums.wynncraft.com/threads/ternaves-prison.98181/ thread from 2015

[foggy zinc]

almost that old or something

[regal spire]

I would’ve sworn I first saw the prison in 1.13

Figured it was added before that

[foggy zinc]

the real reason fruma was delayed, they had to get the barriers off of ternaves prison first

[full spruce]

Ternaves prison is actually the prison from forbidden prison

[foggy zinc]

it was quite forbidden so that lines up fr

[warm flicker]

its the super secret Champion+ hangout spot

[mortal cave]

you mean like the quest with Dullahan?????

[red dome]

You guys should make it explorable again.

If the building is still gonna be there it would at least be cool to look through the full old build

[regal spire]

(You might be able to glitch in there)

I, under no circumstance, recommended this

I am merely stating its possibility

[red dome]

Of course I would never try this either

I don't think it matters anyway it looks like the CT removed the interior when they removed the barriers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRxFavV0MLM&list=PLZnzCWilhEV12bO2osmalPrjWxLgwiW3j&index=2

For those curious here's a video of the old Interior

[regal spire]

I think they just blocked the bars with black blocks, tbh

Haven’t had somebody glitch into it under no coercion from me

[red dome]

I wonder why they removed the access point

[regal spire]

Probably because it was old

[red dome]

Yeah but like, so are a lot of other things like Skien's Island

[regal spire]

There’s a lot more to hide, ig

[red dome]

Hidden LORRREEEEEE?????

[regal spire]

People haven’t had access to the stuff in that prison for a decade, so I’d imagine it easier to justify getting rid of it

[regal spire]

Nah, pretty easy to find

[red dome]

Probably

It is kinda funny that they actually used to trap players in there lol

[regal spire]

They had some funny appeal and ban processes, back then

Anyone remember that one “appeals to banned players” video?

[warm flicker]

the bonfire dialogue for Thanos seems to imply the hold was the last one standing after the Ahms and Canyon Colossi activated and destroyed the land. Before then, it seemed the dwarves were the dominant power in the canyon (if there were any canyons pre-activation)
I wonder what these destroyed ancient dwarven holds looked like

also have to ask, how did villagers control Ahms if the dwarves controlled the canyon? The canyon separates the villager power base in Cinfras from Ahms

[regal spire]

This is news to me, when was it ever stated that dwarves had significant control over the sky region?

[warm flicker]

mustve mispoke, didnt mean to imply the dwarves had control of the sky region, just the canyon

[regal spire]

I think I’m just reading it wrong, nw

The villagers probably got around Dwarven control through mastery of the skies, with the airship industry being developed in Cinfras

[wispy bay]

They obviously used the Juggler to travel back and forth

The juggler gotta be the most based and redpilled npc

Bro causally provides fast travel to 3/5 lootrun camps

[mortal cave]

Yeah u can get in, i got this information from an undisclosed source

and also under no circumstance recommend this

[hexed nova]

Did the canyon colossus destroy the canyon?

Isn’t it just the ahms colossus that fractured the ahms region

so how were the dwarves in the canyon affected

[exotic bough]

if i had to guess tcc got mad enough to cause the canyons to shift and cause cave ins for the southern cities

[pliant plank]

Aldar daEAD

lARI VANISH

BOB ALSO VANISH

BAKAL RACIST

Caseoh vs Bakal,who wins

[rotund gust]

…

[full spruce]

No, its literally called forbidden prison, its pretty disconnected from the rest of the story but you get taken to some secret prison and you have no clue where it is hence why I said that it was ternaves prison

[hybrid gazelle]

I can’t tell this is a joke or not

[hushed comet]

😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹 😹

😂😹🤣

😂😂

😹

[pliant plank]

Annihilation is fat,mabye he can beat caseoh

[warm flicker]

thinking this too, it doesnt need to make a new sky islands to devastate the underground holds, Thanos was lucky that it was the furthest hold from the collosus (that we know of)

[hexed nova]

That makes sense too

[hybrid gazelle]

homebrewing a new type of entity that act as dernic counterpart to Light's Helioluxes and Corruption's devils

Introducing in Realm of Light rewrite

[red dome]

I mean it's not like the dwarves and villagers were enemies and since they spend a lot of time underground I don't know if the dwarves would care if the villagers settled the upper levels of the canyon and beyond

I doubt it was airship technology since that's implied to be newer and the Ahms region fractured over 1000 years ago

[hybrid gazelle]

inspired by one piece and don't starve

[pliant plank]

Tell me about the Mountain Route to Gavel

[regal spire]

Honestly, there isn’t a lot of data on the dwarves x villagers relations. I just found out that they even had something to do with the sky islands at all. I genuinely figured they were Viking folk that traveled into the canyon through an opening by the Maro Peaks.

Also, yeah, I don’t exactly remember when air travel was even implemented into their daily lives, but I’d imagine it couldn’t be too far in the past, what with the sky raiders and all

[hybrid gazelle]

Exploration on how umbrae could be like

probably try to redesign these guys as umbrae

[red dome]

True but my reasoning is if the villagers had Airships there wold really be no reason for them to travel by boat when they first discovered wynn, so I'm just assuming air travel had to have been invented sometime after that.

[hybrid gazelle]

Air travel exist before discovery of Wynn

skyraider exist at those time

and with skyraider existing also hitn the idea of sky travel by other civilization

it might be even earlier consider the generation of skyraider queen

and keep it in mind, the people who discover wynn are poor people

and even in modern day, the airship describe as something that only the wealthy can afford

[pliant plank]

Hello?

I have lore questins

[spring kernel]

yo

[hybrid gazelle]

is it shitpost kind or like

geniune kind

[rotund sphinx]

Its probably a Toriko situation, where as dangerous as sea travel was across the ocean before it was calmed, air travel was more dangerous

[red dome]

Perhaps but I wonder what could be more dangerous than the sea prior to calming

[elder forge]

https://tenor.com/view/lore-crazy-lore-benjammins-lore-unlocked-history-gif-15737389162789326896

[hybrid gazelle]

tbh it either they just have no intrest in using airship to explore else where or whatever that cause the ocean to be untraversable also affect the sky above it

[elder forge]

lowkey this is a good point, if the villagers were desperate surely llevigar can pay for an airship voyage over the water-NVM the villager elite are corrupt and don't care about the desperate poor ppl lol i changed my mind it makes sense that the voyage had to be supported indepently by the poor people.

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH this is less likely to me

[elder forge]

sure!

[hybrid gazelle]

but it also the fact that they dont know if there anything out there discourage airship being use

becaues like there is no station else there and falling to ocean is like 100% comfirm death

and skyraider still a threat

so it likely they just never have intrest to use airship to venture out in the first place

but yeah I Just think

it more likely that the sky over ocean is not safe either

[elder forge]

yeah, the ocean was wild, there could be leviathans that just grab the ship from the sky, like a sea king from one piece

[hybrid gazelle]

that also can be a thing if we wanna go that route LOL

[elder forge]

and/or with a wild crazy unpredictable ocean theres water tornados that hit the airship
OR theres a big storm that flings and breaks the airship with it's winds or strieks it with lightning

after some thinking there are tons of things in a untamed ocean that can destory an airship

[pliant plank]

guys

mountain route to gavel

[hybrid gazelle]

what

you mean world border?

[pliant plank]

yeah

there was this npc tht said mountain route to gavel was full of bandits

it exists

[hybrid gazelle]

I mean there not much lore there beside it exixst LOL

it just exist and that it

[rotund sphinx]

Walking around the map border is really interesting

There’s a lot of strange things out there

Like mausoleum north of the mines in wynn

Or the lion’s den

[hybrid gazelle]

yeah it is wont deny that

[rotund sphinx]

Or the weird things around Rymek

[hybrid gazelle]

but like lore wise they just exist LOL

so I cant really answer much

[rotund sphinx]

And Regular Island

[hybrid gazelle]

bside you know
they exist

[hybrid gazelle]

here more umbrae exploration base on existing mobs

[rotund gust]

when they say they “calmed the ocean” they never really imply how dangerous it was before. it could’ve been a regular ocean, it could’ve been filled to the brim with monsters, it could been constantly typhoons and storms

sarnfic is the only real relic of the old ocean left

and even then, it’s just stated to have been sunk long ago, not when

[rotund gust]

is old man martyn supposed to be an Olm? in deja vu asher questions of he’s even human, and he avoids the question. His facial structure looks like the other olm we know of, but his skin isn’t grey

and he has some form of time powers, or atleast awareness of time magic

[exotic bough]

I think he is human, but he has mastered time magic which in his mind makes him “above human” or smthn

Or he could also be like bob as a human olm hybrid

[rotund gust]

his skin is also just very old. The “shading” is just like the skindex brush tool (idk what it’s called) that randomly picks close colors. so i could either be spot on or completely off about him looking olmic

i get using it for the outfit, since it looks woolen and scratchy. But why is every single pixel painted using it

[mortal cave]

its the lexdale penitentiary, which we find out is run by dullahan

[rotund gust]

no? lexdale penitentiary has goofy soul magic human sacrifice stuff, but i don’t think it’s linked to dullahan

the darkness cult for hollow serenity does the same stuff

[mortal cave]

idk if its confirmed but in the quest the letters to the warden are from dullahan as if hes like pupetting the prison

as a way for him to get souls

[rotund gust]

i could just be wrong though. wiki says it’s from dullahan but i’m not seeing the source of it. All it says is a soul quota

like it’s probably dullahan

but i don’t think it’s confirmed in game

[mortal cave]

its also signed -D.

so unless theres some other character who's name starts with D that is evil and wants souls in the gavel region its Dullahan

[rotund gust]

oh i didn’t see that

[rotund gust]

dern 👀

[mortal cave]

mr dern running the prison

[rotund gust]

dak’al, bak’al’s eviler twin

i mean it’s like 99% dullahan

but idk if they really wanted to they left room for it to be someone else

plus it’s weird that dullahan has two prisons then. Lexdale Federal Prison and then the Gelibord Castle Dungeon

[potent sleet]

replaying realm of light and yeah- that rewrite better be just a new story from scratch or something

Realm of Light 3 just reminds you of how infuriating Lari actually is and it's just distressing to think about

[ornate summit]

i think a big problem with ROL is the fact that u have to do it everytime and msot of it is just waiting. You yourself dont do much. Thats the problem with most quests in this game. You are not a character really everything j8sut gets explained to you instead of actually experiencing it.

you yourself has no dialogue atleast almost

you also dont have cutscenes where u can see ur own character or whatever

[potent sleet]

That's the inner ADHD talking imo

I don't mind that, it's just the story writing that bothers me moreso

[rotund gust]

yeah, they gotta add like a quest skip like what TCC has. Maybe add an area in the Taproot that lets you open up the realm of light and nexus if you’ve beaten RoL 5 on a previous class

RoL 1 unlocks grootslang, then RoL 2 unlocks nexus on repeat playthroughs

[potent sleet]

I don't think the quest length is my issue

it's again, the writing

I'm engaged with the questline and while needing to do it all to unlock the worst raid in the game, I think it should be a good quest, something that's easy to get the gist of and understand everything without having an infuriating character just be infuriating for 2 hours

[icy violet]

Hey guys. Wanna journey through from ragni to detlas? I've never been through there before. I heard there's a forest there sounds cool right?

[rotund gust]

[regal spire]

How long have you lived in Nivla? Detlas isn’t too far from Alekin, I’d imagine you’d visit it at some point, no?

[pliant plank]

I hate SE.I love it lore wise,it just nails the eldritch horror feel

But....Lutho

Why? Am i the only one who has a problem with lutho?

I thought it would be some CINFRAS level city-bastion

not some whie

some town

[dim plover]

Why would it though

That would mean that SE has an actual civilization

[pliant plank]

mabye a ruin of olm

that would be better i think

[wispy bay]

there are so many olm ruins in se tho 💀

[hybrid gazelle]

Group of surviving miners thst has group lower than 50 people on their way to build entire city for some fucking reasons

[wispy bay]

Tbf they didn’t build that much

A potion shop powder master id shop and trade market plus some bank stalls

They stayed there probably because they couldn’t survive away from the light obelisk

[hybrid gazelle]

I just making joke how the guy seriously think that group of surviving miners that desperately trying to live would be capable of making giant city on scale of cinfras lol

[regal spire]

I think they’re just disappointed because they wanted a real endgame area, and they’re offered the road to Dern and the end game villa. (They want Fruma)

SE is a transition area; it feels like a RoL sized area equivalent to Dern, tbh

It’s not exactly the best place to end players off, tbh

[hybrid gazelle]

It really not lol I still would say it just odd placement

Considering the future update cause like

We gonna have fruma next

So we go to se -> fruma

[regal spire]

I can’t wait to AFK in espren

[hybrid gazelle]

And then maybe back to se for Dern so like

Very odd but oh well

[regal spire]

Depending on how they take the story (tbh this is the only reasonable way to progress the story)

A voyage to Fruma, Gavel, and Corkus in search of aid against the denizens of Dern, specifically to ensure that this new cataclysm doesn’t escape the expanse would make sense. Fruma being the final hurdle to getting the necessary aid in the war of realms would be the most reasonable progression

I keep thinking of ATLA, where they all went to Ba Sing Se in specific attempt to gain audience with the king, only to be stalled and distracted by representatives of the state

They had 100% intended to ensure the earth king would aid in their effort against the fire nation, and it just matches really well with the point of the story we’re actually at

[rotund sphinx]

I feel fruma is causing some of the problems in the realm

Given by Orphion’s dialogue

[full spruce]

I think personally they just overdid laris pacifism. I don't think the idea itself is wrong but lari not ever trying to kill a clearly evil parasite that's killing everything alive just doesn't really make sense for a character that's so headset on preserving life

[full spruce]

I actually like SE kinda as an ending point, at least it makes sense it would have the most dangerous mobs. I personally would like SE to be harder then fruma, at least my gut says that a human civilization shouldn't be harder to fight then cthulhu type cosmic horrors. Obviously Dern will probably be the last area of the game after fruma, Dern would make more sense as "final area"

Although I guess in the long run they might add something after Dern but that's way in the future

[mortal cave]

I think Dern is definitely the last place if it ever even gets released

[mortal cave]

tbf the last time elves wanted to kill a divine-brought creature it opened the portals causing the war so i can see a little reason for her to hesitate

[full spruce]

did Lari know about that though? Only the elders did right?

[hybrid gazelle]

Lari was literally right there and was attempt to stop them from cutting guardian tree so yes

[full spruce]

oh well mb, i forgot what happenned in that quest

still though maybe at first not killing the parasite can be understood but like after it wrecked havoc all over and it was clear it was a creature of dark

[hybrid gazelle]

currently we dont know extact reason to why Lari is the way she is beside some guess

but I guess that probably some writing oversight consider ROL was made in rush and by overwork ct

so we kinda have to wait for ROL rewrite at some point down the line

[dense python]

ROL rework plot twist lari was a dernic asset this whole time

only had a change of heart after you fight her to the death in rol 4

dont even need to rewrite anything and the quest would make sense

[hybrid gazelle]

that sure is something if you completely going to miss the point of the quest and make it into something else

but sure

introduce another dernic denizens, the shade caster

used by umbrae as their carrier

[pliant plank]

Who is stronger?

Annie? or Lari?

annie means annihilation

[pallid rain]

Bob

[hybrid gazelle]

we got better reference for annie power compare to Lari

but my best guess is just Annie

[pliant plank]

lari is = to bakal

surely lari is stronger?

lari also has xp with monsters

[hybrid gazelle]

Power scaling more complicated than that

and mmonsters is board term

annie is creature of corruption

saying that she good with mosnter is like saying a horse trainer must be good with every animals because they train horse LOL

[pliant plank]

oh yeah sry

[hybrid gazelle]

and Lari fight is mostly from the fact that she right next to her source of power

so literally it hard to say

[pliant plank]

I FORGOT IT HAPPENED IN ROL

[hybrid gazelle]

and Bak'al himself power so far suggest he only capable of controling corruption to certain extend and influence on the udnead

[pliant plank]

But bob is defo stronger right?

[hybrid gazelle]

beside fire stuff ofc

well Bob shown to beat Annie and Bak'al before

so yeah sure

[pliant plank]

Makes me wonder

[hybrid gazelle]

Bob have some feat and shown to be describe as demi-god

[pliant plank]

bakal is right hand of dern beast

who is as strong as orphion

who is a god of light

[hybrid gazelle]

I

I haven o idea what would that to do anything LOL

[pliant plank]

idk

just a bit wierd\

[hybrid gazelle]

like yeah sure if we know that Dern Beast hierarchy is depend on power then I guess???

But like that we dont know

so it kinda feel very baseless to assume that Bak'al being servant of Dern Beast = he is powerful

there definitely better evidence ot measure Bak'al power

than him being Dern Beast's servant

we dont even know if he is right hand of Dern Beast or not or even high up

there is mention of a dern beast follower that likely not Bak'al

it hard to power sc aling wynncraft character cause majority of them just lack feat or anything reference to point toward their power

in meaningful way

[pliant plank]

ok ok

i get iit'

does anyone know if admiral aegis would be 105 lvl ingame?

bc he and 3 others drove back annie

[hybrid gazelle]

huh?

like

using in game level as measurement for power?

[hybrid gazelle]

that

that literally did not happen, it was the entire of army of cities in Wynn LOL

he and and 3 others disregard effort worth entire armies

[pliant plank]

remember the 'Army' was equalized by the hordes of Monsters there

Clearly you forgot that detail

[hybrid gazelle]

he not even fight Annie persoanlyl? It was artillery

and that still not how it work

it still an effort on the army part that take odwn annie

[pliant plank]

And the army was of troms,detlas and nemract only

[hybrid gazelle]

No???

[pliant plank]

credit to him for saving takan though

[hybrid gazelle]

it was combined effort of different cities in Wynn province

[pliant plank]

Explain why 3 generals werepresent

[hybrid gazelle]

okay??

I still dont get what you were trying to say because you wording like it's those 4 alone that take down annie when in fact the story he told is literally not that

[pliant plank]

And btw,this is a debate,so any minor insult i throw at you take it sportingly

[hybrid gazelle]

Huh?

what

[wispy bay]

Based

[pliant plank]

I never said those 4 soloed annie

the original topic was wether aegis would be lvl 105 ingame bc of that 'feat'

[hybrid gazelle]

why are you using in game level for power?

and even then you cant just measure power in number

Ageis still just a normal soldiers who lead his army in the setting

even after driving back annie

[pliant plank]

bc in game lvl for power seems the only way to accurately powerscale

in wynncraft that it

is

[hybrid gazelle]

No because that would imply Gale is more powerful than fully form Amadel

or literally like most of gavel stuff are stronger than wynn

which is like

silly

[pliant plank]

who is gale and amadel

[wispy bay]

Gale is some girl that nukes you

[hybrid gazelle]

a ghost girl

she is a ghost

[wispy bay]

Amadel is some guy in a quest that I won’t spoil because you haven’t done it yet

[pliant plank]

how strong is prime aladar and tasim

[hybrid gazelle]

0 idea

we dont have feat to go over

but consider they are just human

[wispy bay]

just base it off ahc they weak asf

[hybrid gazelle]

what

how

[pliant plank]

aladar survived getting eaten by a worm

[wispy bay]

So does everyone in notg

and in the quest

[pliant plank]

easily goku level

[shut hornet]

gale my beloved

[warm flicker]

they were part of a 1000 player civilization video

also now that im thinking about it, the miners chipped off bits and pieces of stone from across SE to create makrshift homes for themselves, incorporating their mining equipment into the structures for support, but at the same time made what is essentially a pristine and flawless stone brick wall on par with cities like Ragni. How the hell did they manage that??

[regal spire]

Lutho kinda doesn’t give me that vibe, despite it supposedly being that. It feels like a town that already existed, with twisted witch huts and flora growing around and within. It doesn’t feel desperate, makeshift, even shoddy. It just looks like an old, twisted town with the architecture shifting to the aesthetic of the world. I wish it was clearer that this stuff is actually old mining equipment

[hexed nova]

olmic gate house they repurposed

idk

[cold cove]

Does anyone care to help me figure out what the Bovine I found at 1353 48 -2595

[hexed nova]

seems like dale

[cold cove]

???

who...

I also found an item titled "laboratory key" there so that's odd as well

[dim plover]

Hope they expand on that lore soon

[dim plover]

You got the key?

[cold cove]

I have it yes

It's on the ground with green particles for anyone to pick up in the middle tent

[dim plover]

Was there not any dialogue when you picked it up or smth

[cold cove]

Made think ohms's lab but that got removed

[cold cove]

No

[dim plover]

Strange

Anyways the key opens up something obscure somewhere around the world

It’s spoilers though

[candid fox]

this is just talking mushroom secret

[dim plover]

Nevermind there goes the damn spoiler

[cold cove]

Seriously

Goddamnit

[dim plover]

Ok nevermind yeah

Anyways it unlocks some pretty big lore stuff somewhere in the world

[cold cove]

The shroom?

[dim plover]

Yeah?

[cold cove]

Alright just wanted to clarify thanks

[dim plover]

Talking Mushroom has backstory, you just need to find what the key unlocks

[cold cove]

Perhaps I'll check it out

[dim plover]

Nevermind I just realized this is the lore channel

I guess I can give spoilers

[warm flicker]

oh this is in reference to the talking mushroom

[dim plover]

Goto Ariodo’s door in Dernel Jungle

The key can unlock the back entrance outside Troms

[cold cove]

Alright I'll check it out, much thanks

[dim plover]

Np

[cold cove]

Now to figure out what the random cave on the other side of the ocean with the hopper is about

[candid fox]

which one

[regal spire]

The one with explosives?

[pliant plank]

siegfried is a fraud

stand proud you are pathetic

goatbob

is not a fraud

[pliant plank]

Here are some crackpot wynn theories:

Bob is stronger than siegfried

Annihilation got bisected by bob,and the upper body of annie is now its entire body

bc of that,we may have a quest where we must travel back in time and learn from wynns and gavels nd frumas greatest doctors everything about medicine.so we can reattach annie's body

after that you will get annie as a summon

Yahya is secretly working for the dern beast,however he has amnesia so he forgot about that and started working with lari,however he forgot about that too and went back to the dern beast,and some back and forth later he forgot he had amnesia and gained enlightment bc of his immense knowledge of light and dark,however the damage to his brain made him have amnesia again,and the boss:Yahya's final form is actually that one moment of enlightment.There may be a quest to help yahya gain enlightment again without making him have brain damage

[hybrid gazelle]

currently writing part 3 of the ROL rewrite

[pliant plank]

how do you find my theorys

[hybrid gazelle]

TBH I kinda worrying about how each part length would be like
for some example Worm hole kinda got extended while Taproot seems to get be shorter

but I probably bit overthinking it

[hasty spoke]

Ream of light?

[cold cove]

None visible, but there was a blue pennant over the entrance

[hybrid gazelle]

yep

[pallid rain]

Gale?

[undone whale]

@maiden nimbus

[maiden nimbus]

wawa

[hasty spoke]

“Make ya wonder if you could just blow ghost out of the window”?

[pallid rain]

just did the order of the grook quest

saw this sentence

[hybrid gazelle]

this is more genrealisation since they imply that ghosts or spirits are mostly related to air element

or have something to do with element

which gale happen to the example of it

[pallid rain]

is gale the woman who cross the sea?

[hybrid gazelle]

that would make Gale 100+ years old but sure LOL

IDK

well not

Actualyl fuck what I am talking about

that meant

Gale was there before 900 AP

as a ghost or an alive person

[maiden nimbus]

Gale is very old yes

[hybrid gazelle]

she probably is IDK

[rotund gust]

gilf

the g is for gale

or ghost

[maiden nimbus]

@obsidian bane you

[rotund gust]

_>

calling in the cavalry

[maiden nimbus]

she will agree

[hybrid gazelle]

remake Taproot to carry info from Finding hte light

will go over with editors and beta reader to see what else could be add

[regal spire]

Send a picture, since there are quite a few hopper caves

[rotund gust]

ghost i’d like to fight

[soft radish]

Just did the Lost Avos City discovery

Phoenix Prince gave me this vibe

bro fr was trapped there unknowingly

[spring kernel]

I fill like their circumstances are very different

[hybrid gazelle]

IDK about that guy

like that hallow knight guy

but if his story is like Phoenix prince

then he gotta be the most dumbest character I ever heard

and I dont think you get that kind of writing from Hollow knight

[spring kernel]

it's not at all

[hybrid gazelle]

okay good

cause no fucking way someone manage to make another character that dumb as Phoenix Prince

[hybrid gazelle]

also this guy seems have aura which phoenix prince dont

the only aura phoenix prince ever have is his aura to decrease his people intelligence consider how they all choose to die in the fucking cave

[spring kernel]

hollow knight has "wants to kill itself so badly" aura

[soft radish]

yea no the secret boss was kind of a pushover (I'm a max level summoner)

[hybrid gazelle]

it literally not htat just

he and his people

literally have all the time in the world

to go decide "oh hey guys we cant liuve in here" and just leave

likel iterally just fucking leave

[soft radish]

you right

[hybrid gazelle]

and then like

when they all fucking die of osmething

[soft radish]

wait but wasn't the cave entrance sealed after they migrated, or was that after they all died out?

[hybrid gazelle]

he has audacity to get mad at corkians for sealing the cave

[hybrid gazelle]

after they die

[soft radish]

oh

yea tey kind of stupid

[hybrid gazelle]

literally he get mad at corkian for sealing a cave with rotting avos corpse

[soft radish]

their hatred of the corkians blinded them

[hybrid gazelle]

that literally the least problematic corkian ever done LOL

it more like the cave dust that blinded them because no way they are this stupid to just only realize that they cant live in cave

after building

ENTIRE city

in the underground

you coul save maybe there like massive cavern to begin with so maybe sure that would cut sometime

[soft radish]

damn, and I thought the Avos were the victims

[hybrid gazelle]

but these are stone structure that basically a city

that probably take YEARS to build

[soft radish]

they victimized themselves

[hybrid gazelle]

oh no avos are victim

but not these guy

like any avos associate with phoenix prince

the only thing they are victim of is their brain

[soft radish]

yea that's what I'm saying, those people basically victimized themselves

they locked themselves in a cave out of spite, and got mad when they started dying because of an inhabitable environment

and they could have left the whole time

[hybrid gazelle]

that why in wartorn I just

kinda literally remove them frome existence

and repalce them with Cult of Storm

actaulyl wait I just have second though on somthing

[regal spire]

It’s not even scaled yet, so you’re fighting pre 2.1 stats

Not that the boss was ever difficult, guy was a glorified charging flamethrower

[pliant plank]

How strong is Theorick Twain

[rotund gust]

very

don’t pay attention to my nickname

[soft radish]

but can he beat Goku?

[cold cove]

I have coordinates, and can take a screenshot in some hours.

-2280, 31, -3568

[rotund gust]

https://tenor.com/view/really-wow-gif-20114820

[edgy jungle]

no, at least for current goku

he could probably beat pre-frieza saga Goku though, but its kind of a stretch since we're dealing with energy/heat attacks from the kamehameha and spirit bomb, and idk how proficient theorick is on hand to hand combat

[soft radish]

does ki directly translate to heat tho? I mean I assume it would but given that it's a fictional concept, and the fact that ki is spiritual energy and not traditional energy, would it produce heat?

and furthermore, if it does produce heat, would it be enough to melt Theorick's ice

[hybrid gazelle]

I dont know much about goku but Theorick being wynncraft character automatically mean he lose

due to the lack of feat compare to other media character

next question

[edgy jungle]

ki would translate first to energy, whether if its spiritual or traditional matters not, and let me explain why, lets look at all the examples someone was defeated with either a spirit bomb or kamehameha, most of the cases it results in the death of the enemy, it ends with the disintegration with a particular effect, and when it doesnt it leaves burn marks

https://tenor.com/view/dead-disintegrate-cell-anime-dbz-gif-17395759

[hybrid gazelle]

literally the only wynncraft "character" that have any chance with other media is literally corruption

and I am not even joking

but that mostly because of the bullshit vague rule it has

[soft radish]

but here's the thing

Theorick was able to stop the corruption

sort of

[hybrid gazelle]

okay but power scaling is not rock paper and scissor LOL

[soft radish]

freezing it is close enough

[hybrid gazelle]

Theorick just happen to have specific counter to corruption

even then it just halt it

[soft radish]

it should be, I hate power scaling lol

[hybrid gazelle]

too bad

because outside of that ocntext

like sure Theorick capable of freezing region

but we only see this after he go bonker

so clearly this is not something he do everyday

[soft radish]

so Goku would one-shot him before he can even do that

[hybrid gazelle]

so at best he can do ice magic like any ice magic people you can imagine

goku wioll win any matchj up man IDK why even try LOL

[soft radish]

it's fun

[hybrid gazelle]

wynncraft character just automatically lose

like staright up

[soft radish]

it's still fun to think of possibilities, whether the wynncraft characters would lose automatically or not

[hybrid gazelle]

they would like

90% of them

the only one with decent chance is like Bob

because Bob actaully got feat and good point of reference to draw from

but anything else get instant fold because wtf are you gonna do when the anime protagonist number #10 have feat where they destroy an island by pciking their nose

while wynncraft at best have like

kill 10 group of zombies

which is even then not even major threat in the setting LOL

[soft radish]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-gif-20240312

[solid fable]

I will never understand why some Avos decided to let you live here. Those who welcomed you stayed on the surface.
But I, Prince of the Avos, led the rest of my people down here, where no human could disturb us. And so, we lived here... for a while.

its even better when they weren't even oppressed or forced to recolate or anything
the underground avos were just racist lmfao

[hybrid gazelle]

literally being stupid for the sake of the game

gotta admire bros

I would say birdbrain but what phoenix prince has deserve a new metaphor

[soft radish]

there are at least a few examples of racism across the wynncraft world, i'm just now realizing that

[solid fable]

I wish there was just an actual avo corkian war that explains 1. The actual lost avos city and 2. Why the avos territory is so small

[soft radish]

wynncraft is racist

[hybrid gazelle]

when they say birds are decendents of dinosaur I believe it because Phoenix prince must inherit a brain from stegosaurus

[edgy jungle]

wynncraft aint got shit on TES tho

[hybrid gazelle]

thatj ust normal for fantasy setting

[edgy jungle]

now thats some peak racism

[hybrid gazelle]

racism is nothing new in fantasy setting

wynncraft just bad at it

[edgy jungle]

agreed

[hybrid gazelle]

but racism in fantasy setting with mutiple sapiences is like fork found int the kitchen

[solid fable]

The modern day conflict of corkians and avos isn't racist anymore at least, the conflict has evolved into disagreement in interest

[soft radish]

i love being racist in my fantasy world

[hybrid gazelle]

the thing is that

[edgy jungle]

this is high school level racism

[hybrid gazelle]

shit liek Warhammer 40K, the racist setting literally have record of positive spieces interaction better than wynncraft

that like funniest part

that actaul fact

[edgy jungle]

not everyone can handle the big leagues (elementary)

[soft radish]

please elaborate, I don't quite understand

[hybrid gazelle]

RACISM