Make future DPS Meter usage bannable

[winged rivet]

I already heared about a DPS Meter development.

This is the worst thing that can happen to a game nowadays. DPS Meter create toxicity, are enforcing gatekeeping and are overall a bad thing.

pls ban every attempt of using a DPS meter, or 3rd party websites (which are here for Aion1 and Aion2).

[lapis rampart]

[rain sky]

DPS metter will come for sure since already on TL. I dont really saw this as a problem or issue.

[north falcon]

Yes, because there's no gatekeeping currently... look at all the lobbies with GS requirements. do you hear yourself?

DPS meter is like food. You can eat what you want as long as you're not trying to force/restrict what you're eating on to others and it's not being used as a weapon against others.

[winged rivet]

Tell me at least 1 game, where DPS meter wasnt used for gatekeeping, harrassing others or other toxic stuff.

You wont find one

[north falcon]

So you just ban the people using them for abusive/ harassment purposes. Gatekeeping is just as bad if not worse in games without dps meters.

[winged rivet]

Its already harrassing, if players get left out of groups, cause someone in a group sees the numbers. How to ban players like that?

Simply solution, work actively in encrypting data and enforce everything neccessary to ban DPS meter in first place

[north falcon]

so what' your ideal world? people do anything they can to raise gear level, not knowing what's actually important because there's no in-game feedback. When the 2600 FT run fail because 1 guy has all mana on his stats, the room leader remakes the room to 2700+ and there's even worse gatekeeping? Or are we just expected to carry the 1 dps doing half the damage of a tank because they don't know what half their skills do?

[winged rivet]

So you are basically one of those players, that use DPS Meter for toxic reasons.

[north falcon]

I'm one of those players where if I see you doing half the damage you're supposed to, I go join another party instead of being confused why the boss keeps enraging 🤣

[rain sky]

totally with you

[winged rivet]

and that is not toxic behavior?

[rain sky]

also i play this game with friends, a DPS metter will show us how far are we from some instance or dmg

[north falcon]

It's toxic that I want to leave? You feel entitled to me spending my free time with you doing something that I find frustrating and pointless? Do you hear yourself?

[zenith horizon]

i also feel harassed by bad players dragging the whole dungeon/raid run down, wasting everyones time by underperforming and make the dungeon/raid wipe multiple times, can we bann those pls aswell?

[dreamy meteor]

Blud wants to slack in dungeons and doesnt know how 🤣🤣

[glad igloo]

1 pve-braindead-andy didnt learned his class enough or filled gear with full mana and party lost cos of him - isnt it toxic and disrespectful behavior to other 3 ppl in group whos prepared everything but lost their time?

[deft flame]

A DPS meter is MANDATORY when you want to improve and learn about classes and all formulas.

We have a 50% Crit rate cap. How much Crit is that? What are the bosses Crit hit resist ?
We have some block chances. How much is that for which amount?
Clerics have defense/elemental reduction. Others classes have damage tolerance reduction. In which order are these spells applied for calculation?

DPS meter can be toxic, I agree on this.
And the solution is what they did on TL, keep the DPS meter personal.
If you're in a team with people you know, share it for fun / complementary data (boss HP, classes comparaison...).
Else keep it for yourself for the above reason.

But as long as timer/enrage exists, gatekeeping will be done one way or another.
Because no one wants to fail in front of the boss cause of low dps/unknown mechs.
And this has nothing to do with DPS meter, it's just how people will act cause it's already annoying to farm the same dungeon 4 times a day, not to fail cause people aren't geared enough.

[winged rivet]

Would be ok, with an ingame meter, only displaying your data.

But there is already a 3rd party dps meter out there. Simply ban using it

[winged shell]

if you don't understand what creates dps by now you are not the person who will benefit from them, you can alrdy get one and you will see how it will affect the game. Good luck getting ever again as glad into ft/den/trans8-10. If we get logs then good luck getting by with no rezz stones since clerics/chanters will rather press skill over heal to save your ass since their parse won't be affected by your death for the most part
if u think this game has gatekeeping now you have no idea how it will look soon once more ppl use the one that's already out, showing very clear tendencies

people will be much stricter with not just stats on your gear in lower gs, but straightup refuse to play with lower gs at all, considering 200gs diff is often enough as it seems to put a freaking cleric over a fullblown dps as it stands now

but hey they coming, but don't cry when half of the casual playerbase will skip the game in the west cause of it

[void pewter]

i was looking for this post, time to create multiple acccount to down vote these kind of peeps:FunnyHaha:

[quiet yacht]

That would be amazing for everyone, even for own grow

[fast glacier]

L take

[hazy prairie]

Having access to data is not toxic. And if your dps is close to median even below usually no one harassing for that. Usually bottom 20% are cut off and only if actively works against rest of team.
Even if there is no dps meter, there are always ppl who easily triggered and calls names on others. Personally i avoid playing with ones who always blame others for fails, no matter how good they dps is.
And last - just dont be such snowflake. What you call toxic is usually normal behavior in competitive environment.

[patent geyser]

git gud scrub

[patent geyser]

i dont wanna carry your trash ass dps with the same damage as cleric

[rancid pebble]

What do you mean? How do you will know if changes you make, or rotation you change from skill are better or worst?
Toxicity is everywhere it doesn't need a DPS meter for it... Gatekeeps are every where on the game... the dungeon ask for 2200 GS, if you not 2800 no one accept you on it...
So Thats just a null argument that wont be different... I prefer been able to see if I'm progressing on DPS or getting worst, than have to not know that or use 3rd party programs to it, so people can say it is not toxic... It is toxic and its nothing we can do about that.... At least I dont see anything that can be done, and fore sure its not blocking a DPS meter....

[rancid pebble]

totally agree, but they dont see it, for them is just to be toxic to others LOL

[rancid pebble]

you're smoking some bad weed bro... Support wont go for DPS, since it has HPS, and the whole group is not expecting it goes for DPS...

[winged shell]

I've no idea what you're even saying lol. Also dps meter is in the game now for a week so be happy I guess lol. This game has such a wide range of statceiling that it turns out dps meter doesn't influence parties or casual enjoyment anyway

[rancid pebble]

I went from a 6k DPS rotation in last boss nightmare to a 10k DPS due to it... knowing what affect most my dps, which skills I dont need on my rotation, all that influenced in DPS, and before I couldnt be sure of it since I couldn't see that for sure...

[pearl salmon]

"cArRy mE hArDeR pLeAsE" mentality. Dps meter is just a tool. Learn the game, min max your skill rotation, dont be a punching bag for the boss. Its not rocket science.

[quasi torrent]

I cant believe people still say that dps meter causes toxicity mmos are toxic by its nature because you know internet and so on.... if you cant handle toxicity you should not be playing with random people on the internet. Dps meter is a must have tool.