Still waiting for something to happen.
#TrueGRF - NewGRFs made easy - v2 released
edgy rampart
manic isle
Sounds like you are watching paint dry? Not sure what to make of your comment 🙂
manic isle
if there is anything specific you are waiting for, let me know 🙂
edgy rampart
Return FIRS temperate/artic/tropic as template.
pastel thistle
Would it be possible to make new vehicles with truegrf in the future?
manic isle
if I ever gain some time on my hands, yes
rustic laurel
Yay for svelte
smoky estuary
?
sonic ice
NewObjects functionality?
still obsidian
question: for making a town name grf is there anyway to like, upload an excel or do I need to write every single town name?
manic isle
For now, the latter. But some quality of life additions wouldn't hurt 🙂
still obsidian
yeah, thanks anyway
still obsidian
other question: if I modify the code in github how can I also update the list in the site?
still obsidian
okok
still obsidian
Reload the site should do the trick
don't know why but it doesn't update ///._.
if you are anyone else can see if I did anything wrong it would be very appreciated
https://github.com/kamikazepigs/italian-town-names/blob/main/townnames/italian.yaml
even knowing how to convert the github files into a grf would be enough
manic isle
You can't have more than 256 entries in a single set currently
Once upon a day I hope to fix that, but currently that is not supported
still obsidian
okok, just to ask, how do sets work?
manic isle
Next to "names" is an (i) explaining how to reference sets
manic isle
It is worth mentioning that TrueGRF is meant to give an easy-to-use interface around grfs; it is not within the intent of the tool to modify the yaml files directly. Especially not for a town name grf with this many entries. TrueGRF doesn't really valid input (yet), as it assumes it wrote the files. So expect trouble in this journey, as you are not using the tool within its intent 😉 it might be easier to learn NML honestly. But don't let this remark stop you 🙂
Just more a: be aware of 🙂
still obsidian
sure, thanks a lot
as for learning NML, I tried, I really did, but I can't understand a single word of the wiki tbh
manic isle
Hahaha, I know that pain 😄
I hope I get more time soon to mature TrueGRF YAML a bit more ... meh, time .. such a valuable resource
night gull
sorry if this is a stupid question but is it possible to use a newgrf as a base that isn't on the list of 4 that show up when you open the thing
manic isle
sorry if this is a stupid question but is it possible to use a newgrf as a base ...
Most likely not. You can only base your NewGRF on one that is also created in TrueGRF, and has a permissive license that allows building on top of it. I do plan to port a few more, but that won't happen any time soon. Anything specific you are looking for?
night gull
i w as thinking about trying to base something off one of the other FIRS economies than steel town (specifically arctic basic)
manic isle
Those specifically I do want to make available, but that won't happen any time soon, sorry 😦
night gull
ah
oke
night gull
why does it seem to be impossible to set express+refrigerated
manic isle
some combinations make no sense; so TrueGRF prevents you from making those combinations
I got told which make sense, and which don't
I gave up understanding it 😛
night gull
lol
it i s kinda annoying sometimes tho
when your trying to replicate a combination from an existing industry set but you can't
manic isle
yeah, but it does make better GRFs by not allowing it
other GRFs don't always handle certain combinations all that well
TrueGRF is heavily opinionated, if you haven't noticed yet 😉 It doesn't allow many things .. just so it is easier to create GRFs, and higher odds of it being compatible with train-sets etc
via NML and NFO you can do tons more of things 😄
night gull
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i assume this shouldn't happen when using a template then (?)
manic isle
nope 🙂
prisma thistle
where is downloading it?
manic isle
<@273531500077645835> might want to pin that and/or make it the topic 🙂
It is in the initial post of this thread 🙂
seems I cannot pin messages; and one would think Discord makes it easier to read the initial post of a thread, which holds untrue; shrug
restive citrus
emoji
rotund turret
foggy reef
when is trains going to be added to TrueGrf
foggy reef
and could you allow commonly used cargo to the list of selectable cargo in the cargo tab
barren roost
How can i remove a specific cargo from being accepted by a industry?
hoary bluff
You can't
Whoops I thought this was #openttd
It is possible but I don't remember how
manic isle
when is trains going to be added to TrueGrf
I have no time to work on TrueGRF, and haven't for over a year. So don't expect any changes to TrueGRF any time soon
manic isle
How can i remove a specific cargo from being accepted by a industry?
The same way as you added them. Just click again to unselect
foggy reef
you can technically add other grf cargo to your industries. Here is a lost of different cargo types from other mods. https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/CargoTypes
gloomy wagon
anything for objects?
manic isle
TrueGRF is a tool to easily make and test NewGRFs, all from the comfort of your browser.
Currently it only supports industries. Slowly I am building out more functionality.
Issues? https://github.com/TrueGRF/TrueGRF
Feedback? This is the place.
Just to showcase how it looks.
TrueGRF - NewGRFs made easy - v2 released
manic isle
Click on the plus to add new, or on the edit icon to edit them (hover over tiles)
The sprites you cannot modify yet via TrueGRF, hard to design a good UI for that
But you can drag new sprites in the tile editor to update them
zinc bramble
ah ok thx
i hope I can make sprites on the site in the later updates
its hard for me to scale things
manic isle
if you find anything else you think could help building you an industry NewGRF @zinc bramble , feel free to yell 😄 Would love some feedback on what to do better, what works, and what doesn't 🙂
zinc bramble
👍
timber egret
💖
manic isle
I just pushed v2.1, which includes a sprite editor for industry tiles!
It is still a bit rough, but at least you can now actually do everything from within TrueGRF 😄 But for sure it could use a better sprite editor, as something like zooming would really help out here. Anyway, let me know what you think!
Showcase of the new sprite editor
zinc bramble
its nice but can you make and undo, redo button, brush size, and paint bucket tools
clear hearth
Showcase of the new sprite editor
Amazing
zinc bramble
still tho its a cool update
manic isle
its nice but can you make and undo, redo button, brush size, and paint bucket to...
yeah, and zooming ... I really miss zoom 😄 But mostly I first need to create some horizontal space, as I don't have any more room in the interface .. 🙂
viral obsidian
are you planning to make it in an executable app?
manic isle
It is! Just in the form of a webpage ;)
One could slap electron around it, but not sure what the use case would be honestly :)
It needs an active connection to GitHub, so you do need to be online
viral obsidian
ah i see
edgy rampart
Is there an option for users to upload an image?
manic isle
Yup. The small text below the editor tells you how. Either drag and drop the image, or copy/paste it.
(Onto the sprite editor)
zinc bramble
I hope I can make callbacks without codes
like just choose what callback you want and enter the values
manic isle
for now only the default OpenTTD ones 🙂
but yeah, I do plan to make that a bit more templated
but that will take a while to get to that 🙂
zinc bramble
im very new to newgrf making so ye
manic isle
so leave callbacks empty and enjoy default OpenTTD behaviour 😄
manic isle
owh, ofc, as you cannot set the multipliers without writing a custom callback
hmm .. that is not completely intended
manic isle
no, just the language has been documented. The callbacks itself are documented in the specs, which is not an easy read
hmm .. is there an easy fix here, I wonder .. let me see ..
zinc bramble
and why do towns accept every one of my cargo
manic isle
most likely as you didn't define a PASS cargo
OpenTTD doesn't fancy not having a few of its defaults cargo
and if they are missing, it starts to act weird. I still wonder if I should just make certain cargoes mandatory, or see if OpenTTD needs adjustments
I think the latter will not yield great success 😄
anyway, for the production, let me think about that for a bit, will get back to that a bit later .. I have some ideas, but I have to check if they are viable before I put you on the wrong track 😄
zinc bramble
👍
manic isle
First I am creating this new feature ... just because I got a bit tired of industries 😛
hoary bluff
Town names?
manic isle
yup
zinc bramble
this web can does autosave right?
manic isle
every time you leave an item, it saves the information to GitHub. As long as you don't get a red popup, that should have worked just fine 🙂
I did not yet implement it doesn't allow you to close the browser till it is actually saved btw .. that is hard 😦
you can click the link in the top right to see what it actually stores on GitHub .. switch to the dev branch to see what it is doing
zinc bramble
wdym leave an item
manic isle
when you click Testing, or go to Project, or click any other industry/cargo
when you no longer see the industry/cargo you are working on, it is being saved, basically
manic isle
some colours of the palette are animated colours
https://newgrf-specs.tt-wiki.net/wiki/PalettesAndCoordinates#Palettes <- ignore the Windows palette, but otherwise there you can read up all about it
sounds like a good improvement, to give this information in TrueGRF 🙂
will put it on the list!
zinc bramble
some colours of the palette are animated colours
kk
wait
these graphics on the template are free to use for uploading my own grf right?
manic isle
the FIRS Steeltown you mean?
those graphics are licensed under GPLv2; so you can only use those if you license under GPLv2 too
zinc bramble
how do I change my license
manic isle
sadly, you cannot currently do that via TrueGRF; you would have to do that manually
that is why if you use the FIRS Steeltown template, it copies the correct license for you
but if you create an empty project on your own, it does not
always a bit tricky ..
let's see if I can help you out here ..
the cheezy solution is to create a new project based on FIRS Steeltown, and remove everything you don't want 😛
but that would require some copy/pasting from your current project to the old
no, currently I do not really have another way for you to do this, sorry 😦 Did not expect this to pop up so quickly 😄
manic isle
TrueGRF v3 landed .. now you can make townname GRFs 😄
proven elm
I made a test grf using the FIRS steeltown as template and modified the cargos and industries, first I got a compile error but found out it was because of the callbacks. I removed the lines that were causing the compile errors and now I don't get any error but jut hangs on "compiling"
Could it be still related to the rest of the callback code?
manic isle
It could, but that would be a bug :D if you have a link to your GitHub, I will check it out :)
(Link is in the top right corner)
manic isle
I made a test grf using the FIRS steeltown as template and modified the cargos a...
Your industry "Quarry" points to the cargo "LIME", which (no longer) exists
In the next release I will make it return better errors for this case, instead of just not doing anything 🙂
manic isle
Deployed v3.0.1, with exactly that change. So if you now compile, you should see the above error yourself 🙂
manic isle
https://github.com/orgs/TrueGRF/projects/1
Made a small roadmap, for my own sanity 😄
golden wadi
the town name its seem not working....
manic isle
You have to use a bit more words I am afraid :)
golden wadi
so i also to try by using dutch one also not one appear when generating new world
manic isle
Sometimes sets don't show up the first time you open the preview. Go to NewGRF settings and hit apply. Now it does show up in the town name dropdown
manic isle
Select the town name when generating a new world
It is in the drop down in the new world dialog
golden wadi
ah okey, thanks, now is working
golden wadi
yeah im not really using custom town name, so i forgot that option
proven elm
Deployed v3.0.1, with exactly that change. So if you now compile, you should see...
Thank you
manic isle
Thank you
No worries. Let me know if you run into more trouble 🙂
btw, I did notice you removed all the production/acceptance from the callback .. so expect no industry to produce anything 😉
proven elm
Ok lol, I'll add it back then, thanks
manic isle
Just deployed v3.1.0. Next time you load a project, it changes your GRFID. Most of them were still TRU1, and the first person uploaded one on BaNaNaS with that GRFID. So that isn't working ...
So now the GRFID is auto-generated in a special way, such that collision is unlikely. Also, you no longer have to set it yourself. So there is that 🙂
Hopefully that makes the experience a bit smoother.
pastel thistle
Does the program automatically save if you close the tab?
manic isle
Yes and no. It doesn't save the item you have open when you just close it, but if you click to another item or to Testing or Project, it does
Item is a cargo, industry, ..
clear hearth
we demand truegrf stations
hoary bluff
You’re dedicated
pastel thistle
How do the industries work here? How do you make sure vehicles are capable of carrying the cargoes especially if they are not included in the vanilla game?
hoary bluff
You use cargo classes
manic isle
Vanilla game, since 12.1, will make sure there is always a wagon available for any cargo that exists
zinc bramble
Is there a way to undo redo or delete whole projects
hoary bluff
Go to GitHub and remove the repository
spring moth
Was testing around some town set name things and I got this error?
manic isle
I can look into that, that should be possible as long as you don't make a cycle
spring moth
aye
manic isle
As that would be unresolvable ofc
spring moth
like if I have three sets (prefix, hyphens, main) I can only reference prefix once in hyphens or main, not both for some reason
manic isle
If you have an example for me, that would be great
spring moth
can do
manic isle
Just branch in GitHub the 'dev' branch that doesn't work
spring moth
also I found a bug where sometimes the UI just stops taking any inputs
or saving any inputs
manic isle
Check the console for any errors in that case
spring moth
oh yeah
manic isle
I do not send that to sentry yet
But if you can find how to reproduce that .. would really help :D
spring moth
literally if I create a New Townname set and click onto a different one without giving it a name or anything this just happens
now when I click on anything nothing happens
manic isle
Bug report this please :D
spring moth
yeah I would if I knew how ;-;
manic isle
spring moth
aight
spring moth
pastel thistle
I'm not sure how but the industries keep automatically closing after two months on my maps?
I made a test grf with a club that generates passengers and even if they are served by a bus route, they will close after two months
manic isle
Do you have a link to your project? (It is located in the top right corner)
pastel thistle
Industries automatically close after a few months no matter what
Also there can't be any other industries/cargoes in existence, the program also crashes if I add a second cargo to my grf
manic isle
Will check soon what is going on exactly :)
pastel thistle
Ok
manic isle
Deployed v3.1.1 to fix broken townnames when you create a new one and didn't add any part manually.
zinc bramble
The townname thing keeps on crashing
The website just freezes whenevrr i edit the aan part
manic isle
Weird. Anything in the console?
pastel thistle
Also there can't be any other industries/cargoes in existence, the program also ...
If I play in a scenario that I made, I can change their production beforehand and prevent the clubs from closing automatically
manic isle
If I play in a scenario that I made, I can change their production beforehand an...
The issue here is that you didn't set any production in your GRF. This currently isn't all that easy, as it has to be done via callbacks. I have some ideas how to improve that situation, but not any time soon. Either way, that means there is no production, and that means OpenTTD will close those industries
on short term, very little I can do about this, as it isn't a bug or problem of OpenTTD, but rather the lack of TrueGRF to allow easy configuration of production
valid flower
For commerical industries, I'd suggest perhaps having them typically take in Passengers and various Goods and perhaps mail as well, and produce Passengers (and waste/garbage/recyclables if thats an available cargo)
Though maybe to simulate people staying overnight at a hotel or just having a longer stay, perhaps keep the passenger production a little lower than the input
manic isle
you can use my FIRS clone as example, but it is not all that easy (yet)
sorry about that .. lacking time to work on this 🙂
zinc bramble
Weird. Anything in the console?
How do i open it
manic isle
How do i open it
right click, inspect (or what-ever it is called in your browser), then select "console" in the new window / pane that opens
but if you have ways to reproduce it, that is also sufficient
I couldn't trigger it
smoky estuary
is there a way to copy and paste things between projects?
manic isle
Not at the moment, no
edgy rampart
Am i allowed to upload newGRF that generated from TrueGRF?
manic isle
Absolutely. Your work is yours to do with whatever you like
The tool only facilitates :)
Some day soon you will even be able to release via TrueGRF to BaNaNaS
edgy rampart
I guess i didn't know how to upload content into banana.
manic isle
https://bananas.openttd.org and follow the text :)
Still very manual, but I am working on it .. Soon (tm)
(Read: my next holiday)
I should start a Patreon to take paid vacations to do this stuff :p
pastel thistle
How do I delete projects I don’t need anyone?
edgy rampart
Go to GitHub and delete project respository.
smoky estuary
question:
does "in large town" mean cities?
manic isle
The industry can only be built in towns (i.e. it has to replace houses) with population larger than 1200 (temperate bank)
I will add some hints in that dropdown soon 🙂
smoky estuary
ah ok
valid flower
how about Place "On moon" 🙂
smoky estuary
what settings should i put for goods?
im mostly copying from the steeltown preset but that doesn't have goods
smoky estuary
(for the record, this is what im trying to make)
hoary bluff
New grf wiki cargo types
restive citrus
@smoky estuary if you need other FIRS properties, check the code reference page https://grf.farm/firs/4.4.0/html/code_reference.html#cargos
or they're findable in the src on github also
smoky estuary
slams face on desk so i have to start ALL OVER AGAIN?!
edgy rampart
*slams face on desk* so i have to start ALL OVER AGAIN?!
Me who actually waiting for the NewGRF to be public:
https://c.tenor.com/rF5ERf7ncqUAAAAM/oh-no-top-gear.gif
smoky estuary
wait, hang on
misread andy's post
thought he said "you'll need FIRS properties, not code references"
so no i dont need to restart phew
@restive citrus whats the Abbreviation for alcohol?
smoky estuary
oh and if anybody wishes to help
https://github.com/Will-the-mechanist/New-Temperate-Basic
edgy rampart
Suggestions: add iron horse as template,if permitted.
pastel thistle
How do I copy and paste graphics to the editor?
smoky estuary
CRTL+C on the image you want
CTRL+V in the editor
it can be problematic
best way ive found is to make sure you have no pending commits
smoky estuary
yeah it can be a pain
another method ive found to work
create a cargo
then delete it
smoky estuary
Me who actually waiting for the NewGRF to be public:
https://c.tenor.com/rF5ERf7...
wait, are you actually waiting for it?
pastel thistle
create a cargo
How would that work?
smoky estuary
?
also what are you doing?
oh for
found the best method
save your image as a .PNG
get both windows side by side like this
then click and drag from the file to truegrf
pastel thistle
Ok let me try this
pastel thistle
also what are you doing?
Oh I was trying to design the industrial buildings but couldn't figure out how to paste them in
pastel thistle
My own project
smoky estuary
ah ok
restive citrus
<@783227350543499271> whats the Abbreviation for alcohol?
abbreviations are stupid anyway
smoky estuary
thx
smoky estuary
and are the weight, pricings and age limits for fruit?
smoky estuary
does anybody know if we're allowed to re-use sprites from other newgrfs?
i want to make a shopping mall industry, like the grocer's shop or the general store
ideally i'd like to use the total town replacement shopping center
hoary bluff
You can use sprites from other grfs given that you follow their license
You can use ttrs3 sprites given you credit the author
smoky estuary
oh ok
ive yet to figure out how to actually write the info section, but when i do figure it out, ill be sure to give credit for the art
restive citrus
Placing a work under GPL requires the copyright owner to consent
I didn't check which CC license it was, some are compatible
smoky estuary
uhhh, GPL?
smoky estuary
Placing a work under GPL requires the copyright owner to consent
the licence part of the readme
by the looks of it
as long as i put:
shopping center art by (insert here)
then i should be good
smoky estuary
the licence part of the readme
and from in the game itself
pastel thistle
Do the industries made here replace all the default industries? Adding the passenger industry test grf I created results in maps with only passengers and no other cargoes/industries
manic isle
You found your own answer then :)
But yes, TrueGRF replaces everything, and only that what is defined remains
pastel thistle
Ah ok
edgy rampart
wait, are you actually waiting for it?
Yes.
smoky estuary
oh jeez
smoky estuary
i wasn't expecting somebody to actually WANT my suggested new temperate basic
smoky estuary
@restive citrus sorry about @ing you again, but i couldn't find these settings for milk, fish and fruit
pastel thistle
For unknown reason, my town names are all automatically suffixed with -acis, even though I never specified them to be
There is no -acis suffix in my list of suffixes, but it is there
edgy rampart
edgy rampart
There is no -acis suffix in my list of suffixes, but it is there
That might the problems.
edgy rampart
No -acis suffix for me on my end
Click on "part" which had < > button,you will find it.
restive citrus
<@783227350543499271> sorry about @ing you again, but i couldn't find these sett...
https://github.com/andythenorth/firs/blob/master/src/cargos/milk.py - dig around github src for the same for other cargos
smoky estuary
thank you
pastel thistle
Is it just me or I can’t make name sets of more than 300 names? Otherwise it starts adding random suffixes by itself
manic isle
it is possible I forgot to auto-generate new sets if you exceed 250 entries in a single set
OpenTTD doesn't allow sets bigger than 250; but you can chain them easily
pastel thistle
I have this problem every time I reach 250-300 names
manic isle
well .. "sets" .. "parts-list"
pastel thistle
OpenTTD doesn't allow sets bigger than 250; but you can chain them easily
How would that work?
manic isle
make subsets of ~250 entries
make the mainset point to the subsets with equal weights
pastel thistle
Ok
manic isle
See the FIRS port as example and there is a link to more info. But it ain't easy.
manic isle
It is one of those projects I will improve on over time, but .. time is the expensive resource atm 😄
smoky estuary
so just copying them over from the FIRS port doesn't work?
manic isle
With modification, it will
The top part describes the cargo
You need to make sure they match the industry
smoky estuary
already been doing that
i copied the FIRS coal mine for my coal mine
so on for the iron mine
and so on for the scrap yard
and i intend to do the same for the other industries that exist in the FIRS as well
edgy rampart
I had another suggestion, I'm using trueGRF using Desktop mode on my browser,and i could Import PNG images onto it,so please add attach file button.
pastel thistle
pastel thistle
make subsets of ~250 entries
So you mean create another set once you reach 250 names?
What do you mean by this? The top of the message does not show
