GETS German Extra-Zoom Trains DevZone

[stable sphinx]

Ran from like 1960 to 2000

[wraith kiln]

Don't get hyped too much, though. It'll take some time (plus extra time for delays);)

[stable sphinx]

They will look really good in EZ

Nah dw

You guys work fast

I don’t even think GETS was a thing when i started my project

And I’ve only knocked out a handful of trains

[wraith kiln]

Oh RABe TEE. That's a nice one.

[stable sphinx]

Yeah that’s it

I remember watching a video about them

From the 90s

And it was like “oh yeah these trains have recently been refurbished and will be in service for years to come” and then they were gone like 5 years later lmao

[stray nova]

more details

[wraith kiln]

Did u miss a window?

[stray nova]

this has 9 no?

or am I blind?

oh

I am blind

[wraith kiln]

10 for 2nd, 8 for 1st class

[minor cloud]

They were prepared to be tilting trains. One train set was equipped as a prototype and in test, but in the end they decided not to continue the topic on these trains.

[stray nova]

yeah

ik

they cool

[stray nova]

ignore that vox file

[minor cloud]

For some reason, a friend of mine decided to model the TM IV as his first contribution to the Alpine Addon. All the variants, 27 in total 😆

Am 4/4 is also almost ready for delivery

[stable sphinx]

huh

i though sbb repainted them to be like white and green or sum

[minor cloud]

And matching Wyndbains project, I'm working on an Re 4/4 II / III

[minor cloud]

Never heared of that..?

[stable sphinx]

christ is everyone suddenly interested in swiss trains lmao

[nocturne wyvern]

CHETS

[minor cloud]

I kind of started with these Swiss trains in here, sorry 😉

[stable sphinx]

you're dandan?

[minor cloud]

No

[stable sphinx]

huh

[stable sphinx]

i was mistakingly thinking of this i think

[minor cloud]

I don't know, if I should like it or be dissapointed, but DB has still the best livery of the V200. Neither this one nor the Swiss one (nor any other I have ever seen) gave this locomotive more worth than the german llivery.

[stable sphinx]

i'd say it looks pretty bad in green

i keep seeing this photoshop

which makes me think that the 200 would look good in this livery

[stray nova]

CHETSi

mix of CHETS and OETSi

[wraith kiln]

there hasn't been a coding update for a long time now - so here is what'll be in 0.5 (for now): More Coil carriers and a Steam railcar have been added.

[wraith kiln]

@stray nova : 1st Class EW II

and 2nd Class EW II

[stable sphinx]

ewwwww 😍😍😍

[stray nova]

Cool

[minor cloud]

Next repaint, done by a friend.

And Re 4/4 II is also done. Good base for repaints, I hope 😉

[stray nova]

4/4 might need some extra details to make it pop

high voltage lines on the roof in red

couple other little details

but very good

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln are you happy for this design to be the final one for EWii

if so I'll get to more detail adding with the undercarriage

also other liveries and whatnot

restraunt cars

I have one issue with them and thats the fact the doors are a tad big

irl they are about as wide as a standard folding doord on a UICx

[stray nova]

eh

logo is a pain to draw

this works ok ish tho?

[wraith kiln]

Sounds good for me.
Doors 1vx narrower maybe?

[minor cloud]

What are you thinking of?

[minor cloud]

I'm glad you're doing BLS. I don't like their liveries so probalby I would not have done these repaints. 😄👍

[minor cloud]

Btw: I'm not yet happy with the window structure. If you have a improvment at hand you're welcome to make them look better.

[stray nova]

I would maybe go with 2 just to make it even

[wraith kiln]

Yh go for it

[stray nova]

Coo

I’ll also get the plug door models done

[stray nova]

I think looking at it now thats the best you can really do honestly

oh @wraith kiln upload the correct EWii A mode

windows are wrong

10 not 8

redrawn

[stray nova]

loading sprites done

I cant get this green

ignore the fact this is an ew i

[stable sphinx]

I thought gets was 32bpp?

Or do you mean that you can’t get the green right

[stray nova]

eh

[stray nova]

yes

[stable sphinx]

In which case it needs more blue

You could just use a picker tool on the image

[stable sphinx]

And saturation

[stray nova]

idk

[stable sphinx]

That’s more accurate

[stray nova]

what we think?

[stable sphinx]

Yes

[stray nova]

what is this livery

actually called

oh

that was meant to be one message

ah

its called parrot

[stable sphinx]

Yeah

I recommend looking at the SBB set tbh

They have a big PDF

About how all the stuff is used

With the amount of dedication the SBB people put in I’m happy to use them as a primary source

[stable sphinx]

Heart react for your work

But we both agree this is an awful livery lmao

[stray nova]

yeah

looks pretty decent actually

growing on me

[stable sphinx]

Is there even a train painted to match it?

[stray nova]

wdym?

just the coaches had this livery

[stable sphinx]

Damn

[stable sphinx]

Sad

[stray nova]

and loading sprite done

interesting way to update the UIC designation....

[stray nova]

NPZ Livery with Plug doors

loading sprite done

AB

A

[stable sphinx]

Best livery

Though I coulda sworn the doors were red

[stray nova]

RBe 540 and EWi dvts have red fronts

[stable sphinx]

That’s maybe whats in my mind

[stray nova]

also these 3

[minor cloud]

Maybe the current livery of the DPZ (S-Bahn Zürich), which are also blue-white and originally with yellow doors as well.

[stray nova]

BLS Lötschbergbahn

[wraith kiln]

Yeah, u serious guys? I wasnt here for one evening and you built have switzerland 😅

[stray nova]

lmao

good to see that shitty flirt model I did getting some love

[stable sphinx]

Just need the Ce/Be 6/8, Ae 4/7, Re 4/4 i and red arrow then you’re all set

The kantonslok too

[wraith kiln]

Not today, not yet tomorrow. I'll be back on sunday - guess you've Finished the addon until then?😅

[stable sphinx]

I think they’ll be onto Austria by then

[vapid root]

I was going to continue PNDA's work on the normal zoom Austrian trainset one day

but if GETS style Austrian trains will be a thing maybe I won't need to

Maybe I should learn this voxel stuff instead 😅

[stable sphinx]

Nice new colour

[stable sphinx]

If you end up not liking voxels you’re welcome to make trains for my set so long as you follow the general design principles

[minor cloud]

About done, Loading-models included.

[stray nova]

cool

[wraith kiln]

How do you guys feel about a separate dev channel for the addon stuff? Neccesary or would u like to keep it over here?

[stray nova]

Up to you I think

I would prefer to have everything here

Just for convenience

[minor cloud]

I agree with Wyndbain. But if people are missing the German Topics in here, we can move.

[stray nova]

ÖBB have different window config

9 and 7 instead of 10 and 8

[vapid root]

Exciting to see some

I have models of those

[stray nova]

ÖBB getting some love finally

ignore the bad pixel I missed it

fixed now

[nocturne wyvern]

you missed a pixel

[vapid root]

Shouldn't the toilet/end windows be as tall as the regular ones?

another difference between SBB and OBB Schlierenwagen

[stray nova]

not really a difference but yes

these are based off of EW i's

very minor differences but yes

I've got other stuff to do rn tho so I'll do it later

all uploaded if someone else wants to help out

[stray nova]

logo is fucked

[gentle badger]

look ok

[minor cloud]

Family is growing

[gentle badger]

https://tenor.com/view/herding-cats-cat-herding-project-management-colleagues-gif-14775459

"a big family"

[minor cloud]

Not yet happy with the blue...

[gentle badger]

A bit dark?

[minor cloud]

A little bit darker and less shiny

[nocturne wyvern]

should rename this channel to ETS

@stray nova WRONG CHANNEL

[stray nova]

no

i just wanted you to see this

[nocturne wyvern]

this was never seen by anyone besides us 2 hopefully

[stray nova]

NO WAY!

[nocturne wyvern]

as shit as the meme is, its absolute gold

[minor cloud]

At least a bit German 😉

[gentle badger]

420 run in germany?

If yes do you know where?

[outer saddle]

SBB Cargo 420 used to get all the way into NL even. towed by bentheimer eisenbahn from bad bentheim into their coevorden terminal

[minor cloud]

Here is a (very detailed) article, unfortuneatly in German. Google Translate surely helps 😉
https://www.lokifahrer.ch/Lokomotiven/Loks-SBB/Re_4-4-II/Re-421.htm

[stray nova]

They still run in Belgium no?

[outer saddle]

impossible

[wraith kiln]

So before i start with a wall of text on Narrow Gauge, some words about coaches: I've ordered some literature from the local library on both austrain and swiss coaches. I'll get that stuff tomorrow evening. I'll have to sort out a bit of stuff so we have a good mixture of both austrian and swiss coaches in all time periods. More on that in the next few days.
Also, i've started sorting out ID-ranges for Diesel and Electric stuff, so hopefully i'll be able to start coding the first trains in the next few days. Since i'm not quite familiar with both countries that'll take some time. Any information on paint schemes will be utterly helpful.

[stray nova]

https://www.tt-forums.net/viewtopic.php?t=71296

Use the pdf linked for SBB liveries

Doesn’t have them all but has a very good guide

Some of the dates

[wraith kiln]

Now off for the Narrow Gauge (NG): there are several possible ways to do this. I will try to give my personal pros and cons on this. Please be aware that these are my personal thoughts. I would really like to have some discussion and other perspectives on these.

We've started with Alpine-stuff now, but i'll try to keep german NG in mind - that'll be a topic once we really start with DDR-stuff, as there is the Harzer Schmalspurbahn with ~140km still operating today.

**Which NG's do we have? **

Narrow gauge has been around since ~1880's (at least in germany). They've had an important role in transporting goods before Trucks were really able to carry goods. "Feldbahn" and Forest lines "Waldbahn" were a thing too, but i guess we can leave that out, since it is way too small for OpenTTD scale, even in 4x Zoom.
Today, most existing lines in Germany have touristic purposes, there is little to no releveance in freight traffic. Gaugewise, we do have had a broad mix in germany.
Still operating and kinda relevant are the following:
750mm Gauge: "Öchsle" Heritage line,"Rasender Roland"
900mm Gauge:: Bäderbahn Molli
1000mm Gauge: Bayrische Zugspitzbahn, Chiemsee-, Spreewald, Brohltalbahn, Harzer Schmalspurbahn

For Austria, most NG lines are in 760mm. Most notable are Mariazellerbahn, Waldviertler Schmalspurbahnen and Zillertalbahn. The first two have quite big networks. There are a few more, but i'm no expert on austria and haven't heard more of their names.

Due to the mountainous terrain, NG is way more relevant in Switzerland. Most of these lines are 1000mm Gauge. Berner Oberlandbahn, Furka-Oberalp-Bahn, Montreux-Berner-Oberlandbahn, Rhätische Bahn and Brüningbahn come to mind. They're all 1000mm (afaik)

Possible use in OpenTTD

Narrow Gauge doesn't give any benefit for the player in OpenTTD - so the only reason to use a NG line is either Eyecandy or lower purchase/running cost. Since we all agree that money is a bad feature, it's solely for eyecandy purposes.

Ways of implementing NG in OpenTTD

This is my personal opinion, and i'd really like some other perspectives on that.
The mainly limiting factor with NG's is the big variety on different gauges - at least for Germany. Luckily, AT and CH don't have that wild mix, most is either 760 or 1000mm.
So after all, we need a way of dealing with the different gauges, and here's the possible ideas i do have:

1.) "One size fits all"
This approach would ignore the different gauges and cramp it all together in one universal narrow gauge.
Pro:
- easier to handle for most players
- compatibility with tracksets would easily to be achieved
- easy to code
Cons:
- absolutely damn unrealistic

2.) "Little and Big ones"
This approach would mean: We take 1000mm and 760mm lines. Everything else will either be approximated (like 900mm goes into 1000mm) or ignored.
Pro:
- way more realistic than first approach
- visual difference is reflected in gameplay
- Not too hard to handle for most players
Cons:
- Would need its own trackset
- Not compatible with other sets
- harder to code than Approach 1

3.) "Go nuts"
This approach would mean: Every damn Gauge gets represented. 760mm doesn't go into 750mm, and so on.
Pro:
- Damn realistic
Cons:
- absolutely needs its own trackset
- will be a nightmare to code
- not useful in OpennTTD scale

I guess u can figure out what my personal preference would be. I'd be happy to hear about your opinions!

[bright flame]

I mean, the 3th option looks best, but the 2 is still good

[wraith kiln]

why do you feel 3) looks best?

[bright flame]

It would be more intresting for gameplay reasons

But the second choice would be good

[stray nova]

1 or 2 works, the issue is getting the different gauges to work, trackset compatibility is a massive pain in the ass to code in, it would be easier to go for “one size fits all”. You also have to think about what track sets there are, DPRK has just standard and base narrow, French narrow gauge has just 1000mm, SUKTS only has standard

Unless you wanna go ham and make your own set then I don’t really think it’s worth the additional hassle

At the bare minimum you could code in compatibility with all the custom gauges but as a backup have basic narrow gauge in

[outer saddle]

option 4 the unthinkable. have a parameter to choose between 1,2,3...

Option 1 is by far the most preferable to me. Trackset compatibilty will just be a mess else.

[vapid root]

Option 2 would be best I think. From a Japanese perspective, narrow gauge (1067mm) is the standard for all mainlines and it would be nice to have separate, even narrower gauge to make narrow gauge branchlines. And from a European perspective, something like the Zillertalbahn feels much smaller than the metre-gauge lines in Switzerland. Plus you could accurately recreate the Zillertalbahn's main station at Jenbach, which hosts the standard gauge mainline as well as a metre-guage rack railway for a total of 3 separate gauges.

(I know the Japanese perspective isn't particularly relevant here, but for JP+ Tracks we might implement a narrower gauge someday)

[wraith kiln]

If we go for Option 2 + Trackset that'd mean i definetly ahve a reason to do a trackset :D

[stray nova]

Actually yeah I think this is best

[stray nova]

Please god have green cat

[wraith kiln]

green cat?

[stray nova]

catenery poles

[wraith kiln]

ah yeah. That Trackset stuff would need a bit of conception first, too.

[stray nova]

what is the scale of vox to cm again?

Its been said like 60 times now but I can't remember

[wraith kiln]

roughly 1m= 10vx

[stray nova]

ok

[wraith kiln]

So if Option 2 is the one we focus on (yh, that's my fav), a broader approach would be to split the AlpineAddon in 2 Phases.
2 NG's would need a trackset first, so we have the gauge and can build on that.
So Phase 1 would be: Draw Standard Gauge stuff, develop standards for a trackset and draw it.
Phase 2 would be: Finalization of the trackset, adding NG-stuff on top of that.

[stable sphinx]

i think 1 should be the default, 2 or 3 should be params

[wraith kiln]

Could you also tell us a bit about your thoughts?

[stable sphinx]

sure

personally i think it best to limit the amount of non decoration track types, in my grf we are doing

standard gauge
25ac
15ac
dc
3rd rail
narrow gauge
ac
dc

that is 8 tracktypes (but i would also like 3rd rail and OHLE combos and maybe mixed gauge combos)

personally i think this is too much, but brick speak for the realism crowd, i'd rather just keep things simple, so we'll have a param that combines all OHLE for each type, meaning that there would be 5 track types from that list of 8

the reason i want to keep it more simple is because i like to combine several sets in one game. japanese, swiss, scandi, etc, not all within the same consist, but within the same game

but this can lead to issues as certain sets come with tracks, some come with voltage and gauge requirements, things get messy fast

imo GETS is pretty unique due to the extra zoom thing, i see extra zoom as being in its early days and i think that if you force multiple gauge types it might make things messy further down the line, like they are for standard zoom stuff

[stray nova]

can you see what it is yet?

[stable sphinx]

going back to this, ive had issues with elements of both the sbb and dutch sets being disabled due to track limitations in the past and conflicts with other sets, the worst past is, the game doesnt tell you something isnt running and nor does the grf itself

[outer saddle]

@gentle lichen oppinion may be interesting. but i feel 2 and 3 force the player to much to use certain tracksets and trains sets shouldnt do this.

because i think this topic recently came up for discussion in jgr S2 too

[stable sphinx]

the other problem is, to get old sets to work on this system properly they need patching, 2talltyler's danish trains needed patching so the s trains only ran on dc and the danish electric only ran on 25kv and the swedish trainset needed patching so they only ran on 15kv, both sets also needed the patch to tell dual voltage trains to work on both tracks

[wraith kiln]

The voltage issue is kinda solved within GETS. We just provide ELRL for Multisystem and AC15 (which falls back to ELRL) for usual 15kV systems.

of course there wouldn't be a differentiation in NG-Voltages. That would totally be too much.

[stable sphinx]

and because it is not patched, 15kv swiss trains run on 25kv

the issue isnt really voltages specifically

i am just using that as an example of track type problems

[wraith kiln]

On the other hand, there is absolutely no EZ-Trackset besides Sunshine and CZTR. CZTR is a thing of its own, and Sunshine is focused more on "traditional" Gameplay.
This could be the chance for standardizing EZ-Tracks a bit.

[stable sphinx]

personally if i wanted to standardise everything i'd have the default be that anything smaller than standard is narrow gauge and anything bigger than standard is also standard

however having it like this would work too:

1 below 1m gauge

2 1m to below standard gauge

3 standard gauge

4 anything wider than standard gauge

but have it so 1 and 2 both fall back onto narrow and 3 and 4 onto standard, always

[wraith kiln]

maybe @vapid root you can help here: Is it possible to code a fallback/parameter to differentiate between Option 1 (One NG for all) and Option 2 (760/1000mm separate)?

[vapid root]

It wouldn't be easy, but definitely possible

[wraith kiln]

so that's the solution then i guess. Do a parameter. Either you have GETS-Trackset loaded and get all the details or you use another set and get the All in one Solution.

[outer saddle]

cant you even automate this. if gets tracks loaded seperate if not all in one.

[wraith kiln]

that'll be some damn advanced stuff. Might be possible, but i'd definetly need help in coding such.

[outer saddle]

dutch trainset does this even i think. with dutchtrack??? or doesnt it?

[wraith kiln]

i think they do, yet i haven't ever seen the code of Dutch Trainset.

not sure if it's even in NML :D

[wraith kiln]

although that looks really nice, i'd stop doing NG-Trains as long as we're still discussion the modes - we'll need to make up a scale first ;)

[stray nova]

yeah

I'm just bored atm haha

these are badly scaled and I don't expect them to be included

[wraith kiln]

but: They DO look splendid :)

[stray nova]

uploaded anyway

tiny file size lmao

[mortal bobcat]

I think that two is best since it is possible to implement in a standard way compared to 3 while still allowing it to work like 1 if coded correctly

I would also say that using voltages wouldn't be a problem either

Especially since there wouldn't be any multi system to my knowledge

[minor cloud]

If you are bored: How about a base for the SBB EW IV or SBB IC2000? 😉

[mortal bobcat]

Track sets want as specific labels as possible but not every train set to use its own

[minor cloud]

My contribution to the NG discussion: As I will focus on the Swiss Trains, I'm happy with any solution that has a differantion between Standard Gauge and 1000mm Gauge. 760mm is gone, 900m is not relevant and can be merged with the 1000 mm stuff.

[wraith kiln]

problem is, that there are a million different voltages for each type of NG. Given the limited Tracktypes, i'd spare that for different looking Standard Gauge Tracks.

[mortal bobcat]

Sure but a train set isn't limited like that

So it should be as specific as possible

Track sets will not all have the same goal

[wraith kiln]

I guess there are mainly two types of players which are interested in GETS-Stuff.

Type one is like you the "Realist". Broad knowledge of Trains, interested in big networks and realistic consists. Guys like you will not let 1000mm 1500DC trains run on 760mm 15Kv-lines. I doubt you guys need a hard barrier on anything, you'll sort that out for yourself (at least i do that)

Type two is more interested in "has EZ, looks nice". They'd run a ICE3 on a NG-line if they could. And honestly, that's not my approach to OpenTTD. But: I don't see any sense in giving those players a hard time with too complicated stuff. It's already an overwhelming set concerning all the choices u can make.

[stray nova]

i think like jord said

just run it as params

narrow guage runs on narrow guage, standard runs on standard

no fucks given for voltages or slightly different guage widths

you could have ultra realism where everything is customisable

the more you include the more people will play

[mortal bobcat]

I still don't see why one wouldn't code it using 2 since it allows both. This is SNDTS loaded with SMITS and U&ReRMM 2 mini there is no need for parameters since it is done automatically based on what tracks are available; all the specific ones just fallback to generic allowing tracksets to be as realistic or as easy to use as possible. This would not be possible if the trains set forced mode 1 and just forced to player to keep track of it themself, personally I like to be realistic in the voltages but I don't know every historic railway in the entirety of Europe much less the world, so the train set keeping track of it when I am using a realistic trackset would be the ideal solution.

[wraith kiln]

i think we're talking past each other here. The plan was to have a paramter selecting "One NG" or "multiple NG's" - with an accompanying trackset, that would allow maximum freedom for the player. Or maximum ease

[nocturne wyvern]

is there besides japan set and french narrow gauge set any set with diffrent voltages/type of electrification

[stable sphinx]

xussr

Also as previously stated, my set, but i hope that will be off by default

Dutch too

I think the problems SBB set faces comes from the fact that it seems to have something with axle weight going on

[nocturne wyvern]

in case you havent figured it out

narrow gauge

[stable sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/loading-thinking-shiba-inu-gif-25291442

Same thing applies talking about my set then

[ocean roost]

they run between Lindau and Zürich, they had DB Pantographs

ran*

And hello, im alive again! 👋

[stable sphinx]

Hi alive again!

I’m dad!

[gentle badger]

But now not?

[ocean roost]

Yep, Since the Astoro is running between Munich and Zürich

[gentle badger]

Oh

That's rlly sad

[ocean roost]

here an old picture in Lindau

[mortal bobcat]

Oh sorry I was a bit unsure makes sense

[mortal bobcat]

It won't be but it has no reason not to as it isn't a trackset

[stable sphinx]

Might it not get problems with SUKTS that’s 25kv?

[mortal bobcat]

No sukts just calls it 25kv it is actually just generic

[stable sphinx]

Ahh good

[gentle badger]

will be a bwget?

[minor cloud]

Why not 😉 😅

[gentle badger]

Sry not bwget so go-ahead

[minor cloud]

Not yet satisfied with the front, but I'm happy with the rest 😉

[gentle lichen]

Yeah I'm kind of with you, I think it would be a tad nitpicky

although I do think more options is usually better, that's usually reserved for things like a trainset newgrf

but when it comes to "okay two newgrfs need more options in order for them to work at all" no one but like - the people reading this thread will get it

unless you give them some sort of documentation or example

[nocturne wyvern]

is there a fall back scenario for 2?
like for electric trains, if the specific electrification is presented, it will just run on the general one
otherwise you can utilise that for the 760 mm

[gentle badger]

I think the part with logo must be flat

[wraith kiln]

I've uploaded a Tracking Table with all the ID's (and therefore all the liveries) for the AlpineAddon. Currently Electrics and Diesels are in. Feel free to take a look and check if something is missing. Still thinking about the BLS-stuff: They're kinda important, so i'd like to give them their own ID-Range and not make them vanish in the SBB-livery submenu. Any thoughts on that?

[stray nova]

Yeah

Would be good for SOB as well

They used to have some very cool shit

[wraith kiln]

as far as wikipedia tells, it's only DR E 42 that's not also SBB. Difference is in the EMU's i guess.

[gentle badger]

hello i have a question

does it fit the scale?

bcs i have done some ludmilas in vx maybe it gonna fit

[wraith kiln]

Quick look: It's a good start, but has a few flaws:

1.) length doesn't fit. To fit tile-length, it needs to have a specific lenght -> See textdocument. roughly 10vx are 1m, so Ludmilla should be either 198 or 214vx in total length.
2.) Colours don't match the pallette: It's mandatory to use the specific pallette. Best is to open an existing vox of GETS and start from there.
3.) Windows: Your Cab interior is lovely, yet it's standard to have the purple colored windows :) Also applies to the side windows.

The details look really stunning on your model - at the vox file. I'd try to use a few more colors, especially on the boogies. Due to the lightning you'll loose a lot of detail otherwise.

And finally, i noticed that the gauge won't fit GETS. Gauge needs to be 36vx to fit the other stuff.

THat's just cramped and rendered in the vox - i guess you can see the scale-issue.

[nocturne wyvern]

some comparison

[gentle badger]

the scale that i made for a game was 16vx-1m

i have different variantrs

[outer saddle]

theoreticly you could setup go render in right way to fix the scaling.

[gentle badger]

i think it will go asemetric

[wraith kiln]

we've tried that before and the results are shit. In almost all cases the models will look way worse than in vx, cramped and bad. This would in no way be respectful to all the work that's obviously gone into that model.

[stray nova]

other than the scale issues

its a really nice model haha

[gentle badger]

thx

[gentle badger]

yellowed)

[wraith kiln]

I've used the last few hours to write down a few words concerning voxel models for GETS and it's addons.

If you're new to Voxels please have a look into that. If you're already a pro on that: Please look into it and feel free to share your knowledge.

@stray nova : Would you be so kind to pin this one?

[stray nova]

done

[wraith kiln]

thank you :)

[minor cloud]

First glance: Very nice!
Two additions: Voxel height of the catanary for correct pantographs and a link to MagicaVoxel.
Btw: The free iOS-App "Particubes" allows basic editing on eg iPad with import and export of .vox and correct colour palette.

[wraith kiln]

I'll add that, thanks! Height for Pants is 67vx (with pant).

[stray nova]

the one with the massive windows

just need a RBDe 561 and cab car now

[stray nova]

actually really impressed how these came out haha

[minor cloud]

Oh wow, nice! 🤩

[wraith kiln]

does that thing say Voralpenexpress? 🧐

[wraith kiln]

here you go, first two engines coded

[serene belfry]

Will GETS Alpine apply to Swiss and Austrian railways?

[wraith kiln]

yes

[stray nova]

Ye

[wraith kiln]

i'll check for the RBDe and the cabcar later. Today's dinner menu is planning EMUs :)

[stray nova]

Oooooo

[wraith kiln]

Back to Germany, this is currently in 0.5 - Guess that's enough for a release?
(new are V 140 and another open Coil Carrier)

[minor cloud]

Yes, let's finally have the Br 611 and new EMUs! 🤩

[stray nova]

maybe it might be worth on starting work on ICE T and TD

ÖBB and all

[nocturne wyvern]

there are more ICE 4's in austria than ICE T's

[stray nova]

do ÖBB operate them?

[nocturne wyvern]

partialy

border crossing trains basically change owner

[outer saddle]

obb ownes a few ice-T, actually they used to be the only ICE-T that have ICE stickers on them or the other way round

[outer saddle]

responsibility for operation can change over, the stock is stillowned by the same company.

[gentle badger]

what about Nohab?

guess the city) (hint bavaria)

[stable sphinx]

Interesting livery

Who operated that train originally

[gentle badger]

idk

can look maybe i have a photo

[mortal bobcat]

I would guess NSB based on the sponsor

[stable sphinx]

Nah

Says MY 1155

DSB

[mortal bobcat]

🤦

[stable sphinx]

https://www.jernbanen.dk/motor_solo.php?s=8&lokid=180

NSB nohabs have different roof

idk if they're all different but it certainly seems to be a distinguishing feature

Di3 602 had it but it looks like it was removed

also the Di3s sold to sicily dont have it

[wraith kiln]

Can we stick to topic pls?

[stable sphinx]

sorry, got distracted

[stable sphinx]

yoooo

460

[wraith kiln]

Hows your Plan on the Re460? Do you want to do it all pm your own or would you prefer some help on the different liveries?

Not to mention, both creations look stunning again!

[ocean roost]

just a little Pic from Lindau again 🙂

[ocean roost]

They Owned* last year the ÖBB 4011 went back to DB

[ocean roost]

Something is missing on the top left corner..... You didnt coded the various Liveries for the Dms tho

[stable sphinx]

4/4 ii?

[ocean roost]

Yup

[wraith kiln]

For which Dms?

Sorry I dont get it.

[undone grail]

I mean, if anyone wants to make a livery for any of these, then I can just post the models, also thanks.

[wraith kiln]

There are a million commercials on that one and we have a bunch of creative people in here. But ultimately your choice.

[ocean roost]

for this one at example

you have to look in my folder and then Gepäckwagen

[wraith kiln]

I read Dm and had "D-Mark or Direct Message" in my head😅

0.6 will have some more post/baggage stuff. They'll be in there.

[ocean roost]

Wohoo

[minor cloud]

Re 460 looks a bit out of proportion, is this due to the perspective / iso view?

[stable sphinx]

not sure

its kinda goofy looking irl

[undone grail]

It was made to a scale of current GETS locos (dimensions of it with pantographs down are 198x42x52), here is non ortho view also.

[minor cloud]

Not sure what confused me but the measure seem good and on this pic the proportions fit much better. Looking forward to this. So then only the matching coaches are missing. And about 300 liveries 😉

[minor cloud]

I think too, that it look better like that 👍

[gentle badger]

yes

[stray nova]

i could knock out about 250 of those?

[minor cloud]

Coaches or liveries? 😉

[stray nova]

both

[minor cloud]

Nice! 😁

New FLIRT-Front and train set is done.

[gentle badger]

Look awesome

[minor cloud]

Big brother

[stable sphinx]

kantonslok?

https://tenor.com/view/sha-definitely-no-gif-18380924

[minor cloud]

Re 6/6, die Weiterentwinklung der Ae 6/6 "Kantonslok". Passend zur Re 4/4 II für Doppeltraktionen vor Güterzügen. Oder Schnellzugsverkehr am Gotthard.

[gentle lichen]

I usually dont check in on these channels but these are looking really sick

@wraith kiln have you come to a conclusion about track sets?

[wraith kiln]

i'm quite sure, yh

It'll be Options 1/2 with a parameter.

Standard will be set as Option 1 (All NG-vehicles share a universal narrow gauge)
Option 2 will be compatible with a future GETS-Trackset: NG-vehicles will be either "small-NG" (=760mm and similar) or "big-NG"(1000mm).
Different voltages will not be taken into account. Either non-electrified or electrified.

[gentle lichen]

assuming GETS trackset will be some sort of sukts fork?

or is it a new thing entirely

[stable sphinx]

i dont speak german and google translate sucks at this

though i can tell you're telling me it is not what i thought

[wraith kiln]

RE 6/6 the further development of Ae 6/6 "Kantonslok" - Fits Re 4/4 II for double headed freight trains. Or express trains at Gotthard

[wraith kiln]

This only exists in my mind, but i will surely do a 4x-Zoom Set.

[stable sphinx]

so its basically a faster kantonslok?

[minor cloud]

Oh sorry. Took a wrong turn in the language 😄 😉

[stable sphinx]

like how the be 6/8 was an upgrade of the ce 6/8

[minor cloud]

Faster is only one aspect of the development.

[gentle lichen]

just wondering if it will be done sooner then later 😛

[minor cloud]

Main difference between Ae 6/6 and Re 6/6 is, that Ae 6/6 is Co'Co' whereas Re 6/6 is Bo'Bo'Bo' so three boogies. This reduces wear on tracks massivly.

[gentle lichen]

we're planning on doing the showcase server with the release of GETS Alpine

[stable sphinx]

ohhh

im probably gonna come to you guys for help on some things often

since part my project is basically to redraw the sbb set to my own scale and add a bunch more vehicles

[wraith kiln]

So, once i have time to take a deeper dive into possibilities of Tracksets, i can tell (and propably draw) more. But: I absolutely LOVE full ballast/SUKTS. So this is definetly gonna be in. also, i wonder if it's possible to draw different switches, like have a handswitch on branchline, electric switch on mainline, different one for HSR, etc. If i get the time to draw it, i will go beserk on that. Like Yngwie said: "more is more" ;)

[stable sphinx]

after ive finished my nohab loco im gonna draw one of those swiss diesels

[gentle lichen]

lmao like, yngwie malmsteen?

I totally agree, in this case

[wraith kiln]

yeah, exactly like this totally overrated guy said :D

[gentle lichen]

hahaha I was gonna say, I don't know if I agree about that for guitar playing but in this case

yes more is definitely more

[minor cloud]

What will be the difference to the Alpine Addon? No Extrazoom? Different scale and implementation?

[gentle lichen]

once people got past being meta hounds on S02 people seem to really appreciate the variety you can bring to the table with GETS

as do I

[wraith kiln]

damn, thank you for the kind words :) It's really a pleasure to look at the network on S02. You really bring out the best in the set.

[stable sphinx]

my stuff is standard zoom, comes with both 2cc and real liveries, scale is custom

this gives you an idea of what i am going for

[gentle lichen]

no problem and thank you thank you

throw some Berlin U/SBahn trains in there so we have some third rail stuff and it's perfect

[stable sphinx]

am 4/4, am 4/6 and bm 4/4 ii are the ones i have my eyes on

[wraith kiln]

that's also planned further down the line. Sinas already had some very good suggestions on what to focus on next. If you're fine, i'd ask for some feedback on the S2-Channel for further developmet.

[stable sphinx]

also the ae 8/14, cml/cle 2/4 and other red arrow versions

[gentle lichen]

go for it

Sinas is the resident DB rolling stock expert so, he probably hit everything already haha

[minor cloud]

Nice, like these! I would help you, but at the moment I have to many ideas for the Alpine Addon 😉

[stable sphinx]

at the start ill just be suplimenting the sbb set before replacing it

[gentle lichen]

also just do this in the general chat channel so it doesn't get buried

[minor cloud]

I was also looking at the Am 4/4, but I set it low on my priority list, go ahead for your set! 😄

[stable sphinx]

in terms of everything but vehicle length my set is to the same scale as the sbb set so my trains look good with sbb carriages and vice versa

by am 4/4 i mean the original one

i do plan to do the v200 one too

[wraith kiln]

thanks :)

[minor cloud]

Yeah, exactly. I like this one a little more than it deserves 😉

[stray nova]

let me make liveries

i beg of you

[minor cloud]

Re 6/6 family complete for now

And here Re 4/4 II compared with the Re 6/6

And together they form the famous Re 10/10: raw power to conquer the Gotthard 🤩

[stable sphinx]

Haha

I cant wait for your take on the Ae 4/7, Ce 6/8 and red arrows

[stray nova]

need opinions

EW iii

[verbal birch]

The UIC-X half restaurant coaches do not increase speed up to 201 kmph, while the normal coaches do. Is this intentional?

[stray nova]

loading sprites done

actually did somewhat of an interior for this

[stable sphinx]

fucking hell lmao

petition to have windows be translucent and have people modelled inside of your carriages lmao

[stray nova]

eh

i always do doors

[stable sphinx]

doors is normal

[stable sphinx]

it looks kinda like a minecraft build

[stray nova]

little details like this

[stable sphinx]

i like it

[stray nova]

luggage vans you can do more with

EWii Dwagen

bike racks

[stable sphinx]

i admire the effort

[stray nova]

takes like 10 min

not much

i still need someone else to do the cabcar

I'm wank at doing anything curvy

[stable sphinx]

can relate

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln for tomorrow, might be worth when coding to run this as a combined unit?

they were semi permanent sets

bit like ICE-L

correct format should be Loco, AD, A, A, WR, B, B, B, B, Control Car

the semi permanent connections result in some mental consists

[wraith kiln]

yeah that's intentional. Sadly, not all Restaurant Cars were fitted for 200 km/h by DB (at least that's what my sources said)

[wraith kiln]

you're mental in the most positive way. looks exceptionally nice, especially the interior.

I'm somewhat unsure concerning fixed consits - i'd rather keep that up to the player like we did before?

[whole root]

I collected some information on the Köf III and will start modeling it this evening. There are several versions of it. I will start with the BR332. It has a slightly angled front. Do you think, I can make it rectangular?

I will try some variants to get it right.

[nocturne wyvern]

the ones on the amsterdam - berlin route did do 200

you can maybe add a speed refit option?

[wraith kiln]

We're speaking about the "Kakadu"? if so, i'll just add the speed switch, that's not a big thing.

[wraith kiln]

i'm really looking forward to this one! In case you need anything, just hmu :)

[nocturne wyvern]

ARkimmbz288

which went out of service the 20th of december

I was on it

[wraith kiln]

ah, those were the Buffets, not the same as the Kakadu :)

[nocturne wyvern]

ah

[wraith kiln]

I didn't draw the BordBistro yet, but that'll follow in one of the next updates. It's based more on a InterRegio coach then on the UIC-X. Even though they do look very similar.

[minor cloud]

Why not have both? The fixed consits for push-pull operation and the free ones to design own sets?

[wraith kiln]

actually a nice idea. Lets see if i can cramp that into the set somewhere.

[stray nova]

I guess?

Issue is that irl only the cab car and end AD car can be used to couple to normal trains

The rest are way too high

[wraith kiln]

i totally understand your desire for realism. On the other hand: I don't want to limit the "usual" player too much, so i'd opt for the option SweDuke suggested.

[stray nova]

Fair

[wraith kiln]

GETS 0.5 is now officially released :)

@minor cloud I'm about to code the Re 4/4 ii. You did one namen "11173" and one thats named green - Whats the difference between them? (Not graphically, but like, intro dates or smth?)

[gentle badger]

Why some ice4 don't have a logo ob front?

[stray nova]

Old lights on one and new lights on the other

[minor cloud]

Correct. But in general 11173 is a locomotive owned by a historic railway group and has been set back to the origin state. A named it specificly because I took is as reference, but basically it can be assumed that this is a origin livery and design. Except perhaps for the pantographs, the early ones only had one of them whereas newer ones hve two in a newer design.

[stray nova]

Ahhhhh ok

[wraith kiln]

Do you know when the lights changed?

[stray nova]

My guess would be mid 80’s judging by the way they look

[minor cloud]

It seems that the last series already have been delivered with the new lights. That was 1981 an forward.

[gentle badger]

Sandwich

[wraith kiln]

Perfect, thanks!

[wraith kiln]

shouldn't the beige actually be more of a grey? 🤔

[minor cloud]

Good input. The colour is irl not identical to the light colour of the TEE scheme but more towards white. The light colour of this screenshot looks very similar to the light colour of the TEE.

[gentle badger]

Desiro HC is awesome

[wraith kiln]

like this?

[minor cloud]

Yes, that seems about right. Can you show it togheter with the TEE livery, just for curiosity 😄

[minor cloud]

Oh no, I didn't know that there are Re 4/4 II with only one panto but in the new design 😆🙈

[wraith kiln]

For the Swiss Express i'll go like old design, Scherenstromabnehmer, new design Einholm. IRL they've had all kinda variations i think.

[minor cloud]

Love it! 😍

[wraith kiln]

wrong direction though

[stray nova]

I've always assumed its beige

we need cab car

I have tried like 4 times to get it right and just haven't

[wraith kiln]

on older pictures it looks damn beige, but the newer pictures show it kinda grey-white:

I'd go for the white, even if it's just to have it different than the TEE stuff that'll come

[stray nova]

yah

[wraith kiln]

how do we feel about about the red and green Re 4/4 ii with 2 different versions? one with only 1 pant, one with 2 pants?

[stray nova]

depends really

[wraith kiln]

on?

[stray nova]

how far you wanna go

you could have Re420/421 and Re 4/4 ii split into different things

or even have different options for all 3

[wraith kiln]

nah, that'll be too much i guess. we also have RE 430 in the rooster, so that'll be damn much variation on that one train.

[stray nova]

haha

yeah have them all

[wraith kiln]

allright, i'll leave it as it is and get some code written i guess :)

[stray nova]

the more variation the better honestly

[wraith kiln]

Pokemon or GETS? :D

[stray nova]

both

[wraith kiln]

when epic train wars?

[stray nova]

haha

actually

bad drawing but buy menu would maybe be best sorted as this for coaches?

same ting for BLS

each type (AD, A, B, WR, CC) split into there own thing

under EWiii

[minor cloud]

Why not only make the colour choosable and it randomly selects one of the variants? That way we could add roof and light variants when feel like, right? Or do you want to give full control in the buy menu?

[stray nova]

people like me like to customise our own consists

having the config be autoselected is a pain becuase you have to buy and sell and buy and sell over and over again to get the right type

and quickly one more thing before I have to go, how do we want to do S-Bahn/TER Basel?

[wraith kiln]

Full control in the buy menu is going to be too much ID's i guess.

as of for now i have:

1964 - green, old version
1969 - TEE
1975 - Swiss Express (old)
1981 - green, new version
- Swiss Express (new)
1988 - red, new version
2000 - Cargo green
2008 - Cargo blue
2011 - LION

that's already 8 liveries + Build and current year= 10 ID's consumed.

[wraith kiln]

how do you mean?

[stray nova]

some of these run and are owned by SBB but run in SNCF livery

[wraith kiln]

BETS - Baguette Extrazoom Train Set? :D

[stray nova]

maybe

who knows

[wraith kiln]

i'd say focus on the "real" SBB/ÖBB Stuff first before we dig into that stuff?

[stray nova]

idk how they were owned but from what I have heard these Corails were SBB owned for the Basel - Mulhouse service

cab cars and all

[wraith kiln]

yh, like, possibly but focus on more typical stuff i'd say

[outer saddle]

pretty certain not

thats a AGC, not a coaril

and the corail are owned by SNCF.

[stray nova]

u sure?

[outer saddle]

they are run by the grandest region to basel SNCF

technically they don't evne get onto the siwss network.

[stray nova]

nah

st johann is SBB

[outer saddle]

it kinda isn't though. Basel SNCF, and st johan are on the F=rench side of the border customs wise. And the tracks and safety system on ti are french. Swiss stuff can't get there

[nocturne wyvern]

werent the little bagage cars based on corail or something?

[outer saddle]

they are 2nd hand sncf cars

[nocturne wyvern]

do they still use these bagage carriages?

[outer saddle]

apart form livery to match corails not technically really anything to do with them. Part of them was also built in a green livery. Depending on the ones wiht or without side hallway for passengers.

[wraith kiln]

ugly

[stray nova]

not as bad as parrot

[mortal bobcat]

It is possible but requires a large amount of sprites iirc

[whole root]

@gentle badger Have you been to Oberfranken today? I grew up there, it is the best place in the world.

[gentle badger]

I was there few times and i love this place

Direct now im in mittelfranken

[ocean roost]

same here 🙂

[wraith kiln]

Some code written (not in Franken :D)

[stable sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/ilike-borat-like-nice-good-gif-19308009

[stray nova]

Lion

loading sprites done

[minor cloud]

I think there are two configurations of the "HVZ" train set

[whole root]

What software do you use, to make the Voxel models? Magicavoxel is not available for Linux. Should I run it through Wine, or are there alternative programs?

[stray nova]

just wine it

converting pallets from one vox editor to another is just a fucking pain

[whole root]

Okay, then that's what I'll try tomorrow. This will be my first time using wine, although I use Linux since five years as my main OS.

[gentle badger]

Can some one make this vectron plsssss

[wraith kiln]

we've already got the black MRCE in. you could give it a try and just add the letters?

[gentle badger]

May i?

[wraith kiln]

the beauty of open source: Of course ;)

[gentle badger]

Today was a lot of vectrons spotted so maybe i will do all of them)

[wraith kiln]

look at the pinned messages, that might help you figure things out a bit.

[thorn phoenix]

VECTROONNNNNN

[wraith kiln]

not a combined unit, BUT:

EWIII ALWAYS has a DVT at the end (if more than 1 coach). If there is no seperate AD or WR coach in the consist, it has a AD coach at the beginning. Deal?

[nocturne wyvern]

autocosist creator?

[wraith kiln]

above train has the AD seperate (actually the AM4/4 since i didn't code the AD yet) -> no AD at front of train
Below train doesn't have AD or WR in consist: AD as first coach

[wraith kiln]

fulfilling special needs :D

[nocturne wyvern]

like rukts
if you have more than 4 carriages of mk3 or 4, it automatically adds a bistro carriage

[wraith kiln]

i'll need to add that, too.

[nocturne wyvern]

so first carriage you add of EWIII will always be one without a door and the last carriage will alway shave a cab car

[wraith kiln]

not if you have the one without a door in the train manually (I want to code that one as a halb-baggage)

[nocturne wyvern]

hmm

[wraith kiln]

not making sense?

[nocturne wyvern]

nah just thinking and multi tasking that is not working out

[wraith kiln]

@stray nova satisfied?

[stray nova]

YESSSS

thats fucking insane

can I have the vox for cab car

[wraith kiln]

have fun. It'll only work if you neither attach a (not yet coded) AD or WR to it.

[stray nova]

I'll do BLS now

[wraith kiln]

enough for today, more tomorrow :)

[stray nova]

I'll do loading sprites since the ones you did are just doors lmao

[gentle lichen]

stuff like this is one of the reasons I like JP+ so much haha

this is cool

[stable sphinx]

ngl

ive not been this excited over a grf since 2TallTyler made danish trains for me

[midnight night]

wow these sprites look great

[stray nova]

cursed

all done with loading sprites

and all uploaded

I may be wrong but after this is coded it should be the only realistic BLS EWIII set in openTTD

[minor cloud]

Next livery for BLS? 🙃😉

[gentle badger]

What about spierdolino?

[wraith kiln]

Excellent work, man😍

[vapid root]

Those are my Oma’s favourite biscuits lol

[gentle badger]

Sadly MRCE don't exists anymore(

[minor cloud]

You mean the swiss / italian variant, ETR 610? Would be nice but is definitly a expert model. I'm not yet ready for such, but if someone else can't hold himself / herself back, go ahead! 😄😉

[undone grail]

Tbh, I was actually thinking about doing the ETR 610/ED250 next.

[wraith kiln]

that would be a massive banger, if you did that.

Btw: did you upload Re460 and all the other lovely stuff you did to somewhere i can grab and code it?

[gentle badger]

I tried to do it can send the vox

[wraith kiln]

do so

[gentle badger]

name :)

but it painted ED250

[wraith kiln]

same with the Ludmilla: your vox is sadly not up to scale with GETS

[gentle badger]

Yes because it's 16vox-1m

[wraith kiln]

yh, and therefore can't find it's way into GETS - wrong scale, sorry=/

[stray nova]

Danke

[undone grail]

I don't think I ever posted these liveries (kinda forgot about it).

Also some IC 2000 stuff.

[stray nova]

Exceptional

[undone grail]

Thanks.

[stray nova]

Put on drive

I want do Re460 liveries

[wraith kiln]

We're slowly getting there: Tm IV Shunter in a zillion liveries.

[stray nova]

have you coded BLS?

its in the coded folder lmao

[wraith kiln]

The ew3? Not yet

[stray nova]

opinions again

[stray nova]

all uploaded

[minor cloud]

They look weird. Are they 255 vx long? And I think, they are too low. You mind, if it take a look at them and do some corrections if necessary?

Ah, I just see, that most of the coaches in GETS are not at full lenght, eventhough the guide states, that the standard coach would have 155 vx. How that?

[minor cloud]

How long do you do these coaches?

[undone grail]

246, just like DB Dostos currently in set.

[stray nova]

they are on the drive

[thorn phoenix]

imagien this was open ttd

[cold pagoda]

which renderer is gets using?

[stray nova]

Gorender

Timberwolf’s guid is linked in pinned

[cold pagoda]

Oof it works really slow when batch rendering

[wraith kiln]

wynd, BLS EWIII is coded.

[wraith kiln]

btw, is someone working on Re 450? Otherwise i'd start that one.

[stray nova]

excellent

start it

the Lion coaches I did just require small window alterations

cab is blocky as shit as well so It should be easy to draw

I'm off to italy today so no new things until tuesday at the latest

save this livery for me tho

the rest idc about but this one with the post auto shit tickles me inside

[wraith kiln]

Allright, have fun in Italy:)

[minor cloud]

We got this one almost finished

[wraith kiln]

hyped!

[minor cloud]

I have also someone trying out the voxel editing with a SOB repaint of the FLIRT.

[wraith kiln]

@undone grail gave me the idea to do neutral models - hopefully these are easier to repaint:

[undone grail]

I have been doing since the first one, because is easier to replace the whole body in one go.

[minor cloud]

How are so fast in modelling so good and accurate looking models? 😲

[wraith kiln]

i just saw it in your screenshots and since Wyndbain loves repainting i thought it's a nice idea to make it easier for him.

[wraith kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/magic-gif-26166638

for real: I got a blueprint from the web - that makes everything easier

[wraith kiln]

I'll leave the others for wyndbain next week

[undone grail]

Doesn't look that bad, does it?

[wraith kiln]

Looks stunning😍

[undone grail]

Thanks.

[minor cloud]

Definitly a great model! 🤩

[quaint stump]

modified for gets 0.5

[teal brook]

hey, about this, I would also like to contribute to the project and work on a stadler kiss since it has a lot of liveries. However I'm new to voxel so I don't know how to accurately build a model so if someone has a kiss model I can give a try to liveries

[stray nova]

Hell yeah

[nocturne wyvern]

damm the speed at which CHETS goes is unprecedented

[mild schooner]

Its well exciting

[wraith kiln]

seems we're all a bit hyped.

[stray nova]

Wen this in gets

[outer saddle]

cool even with the rubber parts still on. didnt know these still existed

only trenord i guess

[stray nova]

Ig

[wraith kiln]

I bet, when your back you'll harrass everyone to start ITETSI or smth :D

[stray nova]

You know it

[thorn phoenix]

do we have vectron das ist grun?my favorite

[minor cloud]

I don't think so: https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS/tree/main/Voxels/Fertiges/Lok - Elektro/BR_193_Vectron

[minor cloud]

This would be my version of the EW IV with a completely new build.

@stray nova: You want to do repaints based on the new model?

[wraith kiln]

sorry i completely forgot to answer you. At the moment we do not have a Kiss. if you feel like contributing liveries, you could start with one of the Traxx-models though. They're relatively easy to do, since the paintscheme is not that complicated. Please check the pinned messages for a bit of further information on the style of GETS :)

[minor cloud]

Done and ready for repaints

[wraith kiln]

nightshift, right? :D

[undone grail]

Nah, two days in a row were enough for me.

Also livery is looking good so far.

[wraith kiln]

that's plenty, yeah.

thx :)

[outer saddle]

to me it looks a bit too pointy on the roof in

[teal brook]

Thanks a lot ! I will give it a try on my own and see what can i do

[minor cloud]

I'll take a look. The height is about correct, but I can improve the curve

[wraith kiln]

you could steal the roof from german IC-coaches. that should be 90% the same

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln can we please have ITETS

[violet python]

I Love the New Version with the RRX Desiro HC

[wraith kiln]

Petition to ban you from travelling 😅

[stray nova]

Haha

I’ll see if I can get someone else to do it

If we’re doing TILO flirts that’s half Italian right?

I mean might as well do the whole country while we’re at it

On a more serious note I have some references for Italian carriages

[undone grail]

The shade of white, which you used is kinda wrong. Is should be 252,252,252 not 255,255,255. Here is the output from the renderer.

[full otter]

Nah, just make GETS (the G stands for Global)

[minor cloud]

Looks nice as well. 😄 But thank you, I'll change it. 👍

[undone grail]

Also if you don't mind, I made a "few adjustments" to the model (mainly curvature at the top).

[stray nova]

Yes

[minor cloud]

Sorry, saw your message just now, I also made some corrections. But I prefer your version, so go ahead and upload it on Drive 👍

Did you adjust the loading model as well?

[undone grail]

No.

I will upload it later with dvt version as well.

[stray nova]

Should I buy

[stable sphinx]

Get the wagons

See if you can find the train to go with them

[minor cloud]

What for? As reference for repaints and models? 😉

[stable sphinx]

I like the Re 460 but not those liveries xd

[wraith kiln]

The Leichtstahlwagen are nice.

[minor cloud]

Next Re 4/4

[stray nova]

Just add some more details, signage, lettering, more dark spots just make is busier

[minor cloud]

I'm on it. It's just, that this loco doesn't have many details 😄

[minor cloud]

As much detail as I can find 😉

[gentle badger]

What about 1000m guage?

[wraith kiln]

You could add a bit on the front though

If there isnt much Detail, I personally tend to exaggerate what's there.

Shape is looking very nice, and I bet it'll look awesome with the Revvivo Wynd drew

[wraith kiln]

Yeah, that's a nice one. Good job👍

[stray nova]

Still need Domino cab car for that

[thorn phoenix]

just a quostion--->are these in a new grf?or private?

oh wait

are you guys making an...

an SBB set?

[minor cloud]

An Alpine Addon to the German Extra Zoom Set. SBB included, but also other from Switzerland and Austria

[thorn phoenix]

ah okie

where can i find the set? or is it on 14.0

[mortal bobcat]

it is in the download but it might require the nightly/jgrpp

[thorn phoenix]

okie

[minor cloud]

Here we go 😄

[thorn phoenix]

whats that again and how

[mortal bobcat]

nightly is the latest version it has to be downloaded from the website

[thorn phoenix]

i got it

[mortal bobcat]

jgrpp is a more complicated version of the game with more features

!jgr

[lost elbow]

https://github.com/JGRennison/OpenTTD-patches/releases

[thorn phoenix]

i downloaded it but my ganme stil at 13.4

[mortal bobcat]

you need to run the one you downloaded

not the steam one

[thorn phoenix]

but stil

[mortal bobcat]

I don't know wher you put it so I can't help you and this isn't the place

[thorn phoenix]

ohhhhhh that why i cant find it

thx

[wraith kiln]

Nnniiiiceee!!!!

U gonna do SOB, too?

[minor cloud]

It's a different locomotive which looks very similar. But yes, I'm on it already 😉

[minor cloud]

Sorry, SOB had also one / some of the first one. They bought them from SBB. The one I'm on right now is a successor ordered by privat companies only.

[wraith kiln]

And I've always thought germans were complicated

[stray nova]

How many companies in Switzerland?

That also included one called FART

[lost elbow]

sweduke has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[stray nova]

Naughty

[minor cloud]

This one is narrow gauge, so earliest Phase 2 😉
But I have no clue how many companies there are in Switzerland 😅

[stray nova]

It’s about 11 standard gauge ones running passenger operations

[minor cloud]

The company's name is unfortunate 😉

[stray nova]

In total it’s 34 or 35 depending on how you count

[stray nova]

I at least got someone to say it

[stray nova]

Basically

Is BOB and JFB the same company

Berner Oberland Bahn and Jungfraubahn

They use the same drivers, same crew

Used to use the same trains

Same parent company

Is it the same?

[minor cloud]

Again: it's complicated. 😉 But as far as I know they are not the same but work close together. Jungfrau dominates everything, you can't do anything in this region without them.

But BOB is public transport, Jungfrau is only touristic (except for the part from Lauterbrunnen to Wengen, which is also public transport).

We have some locos for Wyndbain's coaches. 🙂

[minor cloud]

The Re 446 (Re 4/4 IV, to the right in the picture above) and Re 456 (to the left in the picture above) are uploaded and open for repaints

[wraith kiln]

Its a Re 4/4. Everything in CH is a Re 4/4.

[stable sphinx]

DSBB

[wraith kiln]

IC2000 autoconsist

Coded both IC2000 and Re 460:

Concerning the Re460 and its repaints: I've added 3 Switches for liveries. Each can contain 8 different liveries - 1 for older commercials (like the Agfa and Ciba in the screenshot), one for newer commercials and one for "special livieries" by SBB themself. I really hope that'll be enough space 😅

[thorn phoenix]

when update?im so hyped

[wraith kiln]

Its in early development state. The alpine addon is not released yet - and it will take time until its released.

As long as the filesize lets me post the grf on discord, I will do so. You're free to use it, and I'd be happy for any Bug report. Please keep in mind, that its an alpha Version, so things can and will change.

[wraith kiln]

next coding update: SBB LION Bi-Level coaches. They'll have a special B-AB-pattern when combined with the Re 420.
Next will be the Re450-DTZs

(I've also got a list of introdates for the TM4 from Sweduke. They all have their correct introduction dates now)

[minor cloud]

I see, we have to model more to keep our head start over coding 😉 Thanks a lot, looks fantastic! 🤩

[wraith kiln]

😅 keepin me busy, right?

[minor cloud]

Is someone already doing the new additional low entry coaches for the DPZ (Re 450)?

[wraith kiln]

They're in GETS and my Plan is to use them in a slighty altered Version.

[minor cloud]

"Slightly altered" = complete repaint? 😉
But yes, they would be correct 👍

[wraith kiln]

Yh, got to change some Details too, I think

[minor cloud]

Nice, then I'll leave that up to you and find some other project 😉

[wraith kiln]

Did u already finish that one?

[minor cloud]

Not from me and I didn't get the final version yet.

[ocean roost]

I guess it´ll be time to create a little map, that will cover up Germany, Switzerland and Austria, if there comes an Alpine Addon for Gets 🙂

[minor cloud]

Colour?

[ocean roost]

The 1st or 6th i guess?

ah hold up

i cant cou8nt

then the 5th

[minor cloud]

Got lost above, but I think it's the best choice?

[ocean roost]

Jup, looks veeeery good

[stable sphinx]

What is it

It gives me Re 4/4 i vibes

But with different panto

And side

[ocean roost]

Its the BLS Re 4/4

or BLS Ae 4/4 II, or Re 425

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLS_Re_4/4

[stable sphinx]

I’ll have to read it when im on my pc as i cant do german but thanks xd

[ocean roost]

yeah there is no English article tho ^^'

[stable sphinx]

Yeah but i can google translate on pc

[wraith kiln]

Re 450 "DTZ" is done, BLS Re 4/4 is also in - I've added a different pantograph and made it a bit brighter, turned out very dark in render.

[stray nova]

Hell yeah

[wraith kiln]

put the Re 450 in one vox-file, it's on the drive. feel free to do stuff with it ;)

you wanted me to do some DVT, didn't u?

[stray nova]

Re561

Also these odd things

SOB BDt

That’s pretty much it for Voralpen Express

They also ran domino wagons but eh

NPZ Re560 with EWii’s

Then these odd intermediate cars

[wraith kiln]

NPZ kinda scares me. SO many different liveries :D

but yh, i'll take care for that one next :)

[stray nova]

Then these odd intermediate cars

[stray nova]

Thanks

[minor cloud]

Looks very good with the brighter brown. You put the corrected version on drive so that I can get the brown for other locos?

[wraith kiln]

thx - I've just uploaded the voxel

[stray nova]

It’s a sign

[thorn phoenix]

damn i cant wait for this update!

[thorn phoenix]

what can you do with this btw?

[wraith kiln]

with the grf?

[thorn phoenix]

yes

[wraith kiln]

.grf stands for "Graphic Resource File" - that's the gamefile with the swiss trains in it.

[thorn phoenix]

ahh oke

thx

[wraith kiln]

/newgrf

https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Manual/NewGRF

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln I might be idiot but I can't find the coaches you did for the Re450

[wraith kiln]

nah, i'm the idiot for naming the file " SBB_Re_450_front_all"

it's in AlpineAddon -> Voxels

[wraith kiln]

noooice

[stray nova]

the mid car

do you have the loading sprites?

they actually aren't uploaded

[stray nova]

uploaded

waiting for someone else to do the loading sprites

i canny find them

[wraith kiln]

Sorry, ill do the loading sprites when coding. Its a very nice one btw.

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln did we ever do a long Container wagon?

Either

Sggrrs, Sgjkkmms or Lgs

At a point now where we can do some cool Gotthard consists

We have like 40 container sprites lmao

Would be cool to use some of them

[bright flame]

Hi, the PESA links have a visual bug to them when you couple them.

[wraith kiln]

We got that one long boy, idk what its called

[wraith kiln]

Thanks, ill correct that asap

[stray nova]

Hmmmmm

I can’t remember

[wraith kiln]

I will do 4-axle conts for Gets, though

[stray nova]

ye

[wraith kiln]

this one it is :)

[wraith kiln]

bug found and corrected. I'll upload a hotfix tonight.

[minor cloud]

Here the RABe 514 (DTZ) in the current ZVV Advertisment livery. Nice repaint but not nice rl livery in my opinion. 😄😅

[stray nova]

holy shit

thats insane

[minor cloud]

That's the rl livery

[wraith kiln]

LSD train😅

[stray nova]

lmao

[gentle badger]

hi is it possible to get the latest alpine version?

[stray nova]

trying this

depends on what you count as italian

[wraith kiln]

@gentle badger its over here

[gentle badger]

a thanks

[wraith kiln]

I guess witold made some flirts as base models. Maybe ask him?

[stray nova]

yeah they are all up

[wraith kiln]

Tilo is on my trackingtable I think.

[wraith kiln]

FUCKINHYPEINEEDTOGETHOMEANDCODESHITYEAH

[stray nova]

there are also the 523's that are in Trenord

they are owned by SBB/Trenord same as all other tilo units

these

idk if we wanna do them

[wraith kiln]

Mhm, idk, too 😅

[stray nova]

@undone grail fyi for future reference dont use the white on the bottom

the rest should be fine but this one is invisible for the renderer

[undone grail]

Just look here.

*there.

[stray nova]

yeah the one on the flirt was the same

[wraith kiln]

U don't take prisoners, right?

[stray nova]

haha

[thorn phoenix]

is modeling in openttd hard?if i was so good as yall id make my own grf for my country

[wraith kiln]

Nah, it aint. I mean, I can't draw a straight line irl.

Just gotta be Patient and learn a bit

[thorn phoenix]

il try this summer bc i have school so no time

[stray nova]

all uploaded