GETS German Extra-Zoom Trains DevZone

[wraith kiln]

Dutch Silberlinge, pretty please? :D

[stray nova]

Yes

Yes

100%

I sent the DDR coaches right?

A few mitropa ones and Y wagen

[wraith kiln]

Good point. How do we Deal with things that could eventually go in a seperate addon?

Just ignore and live with "might be double"?

[stray nova]

Double I think

Or when you add them to a new set can you cheese it by them having the same ID?

[wraith kiln]

nah, ID'S are GRF-internally

[stray nova]

Shit

Yeah double

It won’t hurt anyone

[wraith kiln]

guess if we start add-ons, i'll also have to start coding 143 and your DDR-coaches :)

[stray nova]

Haha

I mean my perfect GETS addon would be a hyper detailed coach set

So each coach has its own designation and you can select a very specific type of coach

https://www.vagonweb.cz/

This but in GRF form

[wraith kiln]

oh damn, that's a damn huge task :D

[stray nova]

Yeah

I doubt I’ll ever have the time to get all of these down

But I can dream

[wraith kiln]

WHECA- wynd's hyperdetailed extra-zoom coachfapping addon :D

[stray nova]

Yes

Absolutely

I must walk home in the rain now anyway

I can make a list of OBB shit I can work on tmrw

[wraith kiln]

oh damn, rain is why i wasn't running today.

[wraith kiln]

once done i'll try to put in a spreadsheet.

find technical data, set up coding environment, etc.

[stray nova]

Yeah

Oh

[wraith kiln]

i'll do it for both addons, though

[stray nova]

One more thing, this is stupid I know but I’ve been meaning to make a RealScale objects set

So ships that are 8x3 tiles

Planes that take up 3x3 tiles

Shit like that

I need some help learning to code objects and drawing non voxel sprites

Wonder if you have any experience l

[wraith kiln]

drawing non-voxel stuff? no. best i can do is a flyer for your local metal show :D

otherwise, i cannot draw. Coding objects? I could take a look into it. but even 2-tile stations have driven me nuts. So: no guarantees on this one.

[stray nova]

Haha

No worries

[desert python]

Its possible to make ships or plane vehicles that big, but they will clip into anything.

[stray nova]

Yeah this will just be objects

[outer saddle]

Amz

[wraith kiln]

Hype is real

[ocean roost]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

[stray nova]

ÖETSi would be really fucking cool to do

[ocean roost]

Ooooh yes

[stray nova]

Then we get nightjets

And Siemens coaches

[ocean roost]

But im tempted to do the Italian and Swiss EuroFima Coaches

[stray nova]

Swiss would be easy but the Italian ones

Ooooo

Eurostar italia

My beloved

You could do all the liveries

Old orange ones

[ocean roost]

Isnt that hard tho

But the Belgian... geeeez

[stray nova]

These

[ocean roost]

Aah, i was aiming for the international coaches

[stray nova]

Yea just look at last nights discussion

[ocean roost]

I just read it

[stray nova]

https://www.vagonweb.cz/

This but an openttd set

[desert python]

stumbled upon crazy render...

[stray nova]

What the fuck is that

Looks Russian

CoCoCo wheels

[desert python]

CoCoCo, SA3 coupling, found on a russian web... Chances this became real is about 0.

could also be an AI art over photo

[outer saddle]

BoBoBo

this should be eurotunnel shuttle loco 2.0

[stray nova]

No

[desert python]

BoBoBo... 3 bogies with 2 axles...

either way wierd thingy

[stray nova]

Ah

[outer saddle]

it's funny they used Y25 freight wagon bogies too

so it's more a NoNoNo 🤣

[desert python]

ah, didn't notice!

🤣

fancy boxcar it is!

[outer saddle]

Yeah. full pane glass cab doors and bus rabit ear mirrors

[desert python]

do we need it voxelised?

🤔

[outer saddle]

futuristic german trains set lol

[lost elbow]

simo333 has been warned

Reason: Bad word usage

[desert python]

lol

bot dislikes bad acronyms

Furutistic Auxularity Rail Trains Set

[stray nova]

Lmao

[outer saddle]

hahah

[stray nova]

F.A.R.T.S

[desert python]

nah, wouldn't try just in case not to get muted

also, quckie of "how to get a moder to say smth" 🤣

[wraith kiln]

If you draw it I'll code it for like 2100 introduce.

[wraith kiln]

finally: DesiroHC done in all german liveries.

Coming next: NE81 and might do the DesiroML after that.

[desert python]

Hm ... Renders looks odd

Line of the roof is darker on cab units and brighter on middle ones.

[violet python]

Desiro ML with Maybe The MRB livery?

[wraith kiln]

Might be the cropped image? On my Screen they actually look the same.

[wraith kiln]

This + ODEG. Dont know about other ML's in DE, but if there are, I might do them.

[violet python]

I will Look for Pics for Thema okay?

[wraith kiln]

Thx.

Also @stray nova DesiroML for OETSI?

[stray nova]

Do they exist in Austria?

[wraith kiln]

Cityjet

[stray nova]

Oh shit

Yeah

ML

Different front

Different coaches

[wraith kiln]

But simple and lean livery

[stray nova]

It’s a good one

[violet python]

So you want Just Real Skins Or you also make Some Custom ones aswell?

[wraith kiln]

As always: Real stuff only :)

[stray nova]

The doppelstock ones as well look really good in cityjet

[violet python]

Ok on it

[wraith kiln]

Oh DAMN, they will!

[violet python]

So i found 3 Skins From DE

[wraith kiln]

Whats the 3rd?

[violet python]

And The Cityjet 3 And 4 Cars Drive in Germany the Cityjet From Lindau Reutin To Austria

[stray nova]

Are the fronts not different and we don’t have the single deck middle cars yet either

[violet python]

And also The Ecocityjet was spottet in Germany aswell

[wraith kiln]

Fronts do look very similar to me

[stray nova]

It might just be the lights then

And wipers

Actually quite a bit

[wraith kiln]

A few details, but not too much work :)

[wraith kiln]

ÖBB Stuff will go to Austria-addon, though

[violet python]

Ok Then just MRB And ODEG

[stray nova]

I want this consist

[wraith kiln]

This is lolz

[violet python]

It was planned For DB To have Desiro MLs But Sonst know why not

[wraith kiln]

I srsly won't cry if I only have to do 2 liveries :P

[stray nova]

We will have it anyway

For ÖBB

So might as well add it to GETS

[wraith kiln]

Oh I will definitely do the ML.

Thinking about the classic, too. But that one has like a million liveries :D

Even worse than talent.

[violet python]

Yepp The 642 has a Lot

From DB over bwegt over VVO And Bahnland Bayern To Trilex And MRB

From ODEG To DB with RMV Logo Bwegt Logo And a Lot more

[wraith kiln]

Some thoughts on OETSI:

• a lot of German Electrics only need recolouring.
• Rh 1016/1116/1216 = DB Br 182
• Rh 1018/1118 = DRG E 18
• Rh 1020 = DRG E 94
• Rh 1293 = Siemens Vectron

Diesels don't have that much synergies:
-Hercules/2016 is used on Alex but not drawn.

• Rh 2048 are V100 West bought in the 90's

EMUs have some interesting stuff, too:

• Talent I as electrics - we've got the Diesel.
• Desiro ML which is planned but not yet drawn

DMUs:

• Desiro Classic of course (not yet drawn)
• Rh 5047 which is similar to NE81
• Rh 5081 which is Uerdinger Schienenbus.

Coaches are mainly Eurofima and MZ-Coaches plus Railjet on the express side, Schlierenwagen and Dosto-Stock for regional stuff.

[stray nova]

Nah coaches are mainly the Siemens weird shit ones

Modularwagen

[wraith kiln]

Drive has been updated:

• GETS 0.5 testversion with DesiroHC online
• Trackingtables and Folders for OETSI and DDR-addon (which needs a fancy name) added. Got some data, but a lot is still needed.

Feel free to add some stuff, if you know stuff :)

[violet python]

How i can Download The V0.5 ingame?

[wraith kiln]

you can't - it's a testversion;)

[desert python]

Looks like WLABmz, aka Siemens Viaggio.

[stray nova]

Yea it’s what the viaggio ones are based off

Inc Railjet

But these are just used in Greece and Austria

Brought in to replace eurofirmas

[violet python]

Found a Bug with The Br112 The first loco is invisible

[wraith kiln]

Thanks - that Bug has already been reported and is fixed in the next version. You can use any version except the first in the list, though.

[violet python]

Np

[ocean roost]

I wanna do that

I sprained my Ancle today and cant go to work for the next 3-5 days

so ive enough time

DDR-Set could be REGETS: Reichsbahn Eastern Germany Extrazoom Trainset

[stray nova]

I thought DETS

Ddr Extrazoom TrainSet

[whole root]

I like this one more.

Do you think it could be possible to make a working GNT?

I noticed in the base game that regular trains sometimes can't go faster than 88 km/h around tight corners. Monorail however is never slower than 132 km/h. Could that system be used to make a GNT rail for the 612 or ICE-T to be faster in corners than other trains?

[wraith kiln]

Yeah, Do it👍

[wraith kiln]

What exactly is GNT? Do you mean tilting trains (german: Neigetechnik)?

[wraith kiln]

Oh damn, Get well soon!

[wraith kiln]

How about GETS: Go East?

[stray nova]

Hahaha

We can brand the addons like euro truck dlc’s

[wraith kiln]

Never Played that- enlighten me🤣

[long frost]

Costs 5€ with a discount but has a crapload of DLCs worth maybe like 170€

[stray nova]

What haha

Nah

Just the maps you can buy for about 50 ish eur

Without a discount

[stray nova]

Going east is one of the dlc’s

[long frost]

Oh yea I've must've confused the amount with DLCs with a different game lol

[stray nova]

Yeah probably train sim

[long frost]

Ye

[whole root]

Yes, GNT is the Geschwindigkeitsüberwachung für NeigeTechnikzüge. A special safety system to control their speed.

[wraith kiln]

Honestly, idc too much for the name of that DDR-thing as long as its not offensive.

[wraith kiln]

I'll check if there might be a bonus on turns, but don't let your hopes rise too much

[desert python]

Add Railroad to get REGRETS

[ocean roost]

I hope it will get well, i have to guide Polish and czech-trains on the next monday, i cant affort to get longer sick because of that

[ocean roost]

Thats it

[long frost]

Or just EGETS

[desert python]

Eastern Reichsbahn Extrazoom Communists Train Set

you should never give me reason to make acronyms

[stray nova]

ETCS Extrazoom Trains of Communist origin Set

[wraith kiln]

There is curve_speed_mod. Once we get tilting train sprites I hopefully remember :)

[outer saddle]

hmm.. CCCP.. Common Cummunist Cars Pack. Can put all the gorlitz variants in there.

[wraith kiln]

@stray nova : italic enough?

[stray nova]

Yes very good

[wraith kiln]

@desert python did you do first or second series of NE81? my knowledge is poor and i can't really distinguish them

[desert python]

1st

[wraith kiln]

so 80 km/h and 2*199kw engine. thanks :)

[wraith kiln]

NE 81 coded and a KPEV S6 sneaked in, too. Bed time for today.

[wraith kiln]

next one.

[desert python]

Shouldn't they be of same shade of grey?

[wraith kiln]

Due to the lack of coloured pictures, I'm not that sure. Might change the loco.

over here it looks like a different colour. Model trains vary though

[whole root]

I could get you some pictures of the cariages, but I don't know where to find the loco (or even if it still exists).

Wikipedia says, all three of them no longer exist :(

[desert python]

Locos were scrapped pretty much right after WW2

[whole root]

The last one in 1967.

Are you German?

[wraith kiln]

The coach ain't the problem - the loco is. It's always kinda hard to point out colours from black/white pics. Although he is (as mostly:P) certainly right when stating both have had the same colour.

[stray nova]

Must be descriptions in newspapers

Books

The like

[wraith kiln]

better now.

[stray nova]

Sooooooo….

What are we thinking about a Y wagen pack?

I’m still not back but am looking around

UIC-Y pack

Lots of potential liveries

PKP, CSD, CD

[wraith kiln]

UIC-Y as for DDR or as for Wyndbains Coachfapperpack?

[stray nova]

DR ofc

Well either or

They had tonnes of them all across the eastern block

[wraith kiln]

https://tenor.com/view/zoidburg-dance-futurama-gif-11678114

[stray nova]

Some have some nice liveries

Bad quality but I think this is real?

[nocturne wyvern]

this was real

reunification vibes

[stray nova]

DR scheme still?

Or did they only have mint

[wraith kiln]

nah, DB Interregio scheme. Must've been short after reunification, they've been quite fast with painting express-stock

[stray nova]

I already have these done they just need liveries

I have the 2 greens and stadt express

[nocturne wyvern]

I do know that some pre unification rail unification things were done with liveries but idk what

[stray nova]

Doppelstockwagen

That was done in mint

CD Green my beloved

If I’m honest @wraith kiln I think we do DDR and maybe OETSi

But then we do generic EU

Because I want corail

And some mad italian stuff

[wraith kiln]

i'm open to all three. Coding that stuff won't be too much of a hazzle, once all is set up and done.

[stray nova]

Yeah

We already have a lot of stuff that’s easily converted to other operators and liveries

[wraith kiln]

these ones, right?

[stray nova]

Ye

[wraith kiln]

they're really good, although i feel they're like a bit too low maybe?

[stray nova]

Was my issue but they do have large sides IRL

[wraith kiln]

ah, i think you used my old shitty UIC-X as base, didn't you?

[stray nova]

Yes this was ages ago before you redid the UIC-X

[outer saddle]

yes they even existed with DR logos

[stray nova]

This is not UIC-Y

[wraith kiln]

i'll get them some new bogies then and tune the ones you've already drawn, if that suits you.

[stray nova]

Yeah idm

I would actually redo the roof a bit

Looks a bit funky from some angles

[outer saddle]

i know thats the ddr uic-z.

there was one Y repainted. photos are rare.

[stray nova]

Yes

[wraith kiln]

up and down, and looking way better, what do you think?

[stray nova]

Yeahhh

[outer saddle]

this was Ame coach 51 50 19-40 110-5

[stray nova]

Im not sure tbh

Doesn’t quite look like the circular DR logo

Might just be DB

[outer saddle]

no it had a black DR lettering

not the circle

this is alsp cool

[stray nova]

Even still

[stray nova]

Yes

Very

[outer saddle]

there also is a picture of that YB70 in iterregio colours in a berlin-amsterdam train somewhere on flickr

[wraith kiln]

left is original. Middle or right one?

[stray nova]

All angles for the middle

Im not sure

They were quite tall in comparison

[wraith kiln]

up=middle down=right

[stray nova]

Right one

[outer saddle]

hmm up/middle i would say

down the roof looks very pointy

[wraith kiln]

upper one is one vx more narrow,
down is "full" width

speaking of GDR-stuff... @desert python didn't you do a whole bunch of 243s? i can't seem to find them on the drive.

[desert python]

I did them... as sprites)

[wraith kiln]

Ussr-sprites or how do you mean?

[desert python]

yep, they are in xUSSRset addon as BR132

[wraith kiln]

132 != 143, but I get what you mean

[desert python]

ah, then yes, there are some 143's

[ocean roost]

hmm i guess i´ll do some Liveries now

This Red Chassis is a real pain

[desert python]

Black are worse

[stray nova]

Did DB have Krokodil’s or not?

I can’t remember

No

Not really

We should get one done for ÖETSi

1189

[desert python]

They got DRG numbers but for a brief period

[stray nova]

Yeah but no operations outside of Austria

Or I guess not

Unless they ran via Rosenheim

[desert python]

E89

[stray nova]

Yes but still

Outside of Austria

No bueno

Actually idek how much of Austria was electrified at the time

If westbahn was then they probably ran to Munich

[ocean roost]

Aaaah

i got somewhere an article about the loco

so they came till passau

[ocean roost]

in this one, they said, between 1953 and 1955 they did for one loco a brown livery

[ocean roost]

westbahn got its electrification between 1940 and 1955 starting from Salzburg

[ocean roost]

@wraith kiln didnt you make the Br95?

It isnt in the set

ah you made the 85, whops

[wraith kiln]

to DVT or not to DVT?

[stray nova]

Not dvt

These were just weird coaches

[wraith kiln]

first operating DVT's in Germany though :)

[desert python]

DVT if you ask me

[wraith kiln]

1:1 then - needs more votes

[stray nova]

what's dvt?

[wraith kiln]

Driving van trailer.

[bright flame]

DVT.

[outer saddle]

dvt for sure

would almost say buyable as MU... but the loco where used on normal trains later too

[wraith kiln]

Seems we have a favorite :)

[ocean roost]

DVT

As you can see, the windows are a lot smaller in reality btw

[outer saddle]

?? its driving on a track away from camera and there are no headlights. this os from later era when it was DVTn't

[ocean roost]

Oh wait

you are right

Lol

Aaah okay, ofc, the DVT-Side had bigger windows and the side, were you connect the loco had small one

got it

[outer saddle]

here its running pushed looking at the steam clouds.

the original also had scharfenberg couplers on car and loco

[outer saddle]

hmm seems to have had a cab both ends.

alltough i also noticed a picture of one with just one small front window

[wraith kiln]

as for what i know, the small windows were just present on the second series, LBE purchased later.

[nocturne wyvern]

I found this

measuring car

[outer saddle]

is that some rebuilt Wlab sleeper?

used to be blue

ow cool they used to be part of the East german government train before built into measurement cars

http://www.familie-linberg.de/bahn/archiv/DDR_Fuehrungszuege/reg_zug/reg_zug.html

[wraith kiln]

next update in coding:
LBE-Dosto coded and a BR 78.10 added

[wraith kiln]

Since i've just set up the Codebase for the DR-addon, does anyone have a source on colour schemes of DR?
Like, i know they started in that dark green for coaches. But when did the other colours come to life?

[outer saddle]

a bit messy. but generally, Early 1980's Beige-Green was for longdistance/international coaches. Green was local, and there was the orange for stadteexpress. The roof colour also changed fomr Grey to Brown for the two colour cars, but not all deports did this...

[wraith kiln]

so i could do the colour change like 1981?

Städteexpress was invented 1976 afaik, but i'd generally not do this as an automatic colour.

[outer saddle]

well green cars kept goign untill the very end too. it was all mixed and matched. not everythgin was made green/beige.

[wraith kiln]

i can well imagine that :)
just like DB didn't paint everything oceanblue/beige at one day - yet that has a fixed entry date in GETS. and i'd kinda like to keep that similar for the automatic variants.

[outer saddle]

Well the DR cars for local traffic stayed green. but in actaul use they couldn't keep them seperated from the longdistance ones. And i'v also seen stadteexpress coaches in photo's of international trains where they shoulldnt come.

[wraith kiln]

i've read they've used the Städteexpress coaches for Interzonenzüge since it's been the most modern stuff they've had. I'd generally like to have a separation between local coaches (slow, more cpacity) and express coaches (fast, less capacity) again. The UIC-Y and UIC-Z ones will definetly go into the express rooster.

whereas i'm tempted to polish the stats a bit - 120 km/h max speed seems a bit low, if you see it as an addon for GETS.

[wraith kiln]

if you can spot a missing type, please repot :)

[outer saddle]

Komfort wagen ware missing

[nocturne wyvern]

Is this one the same as the top left one?

[outer saddle]

senftopf (beige/mustard) colour?

[wraith kiln]

thanks, i've added this one :)

[wraith kiln]

yes, i'm quite sure that's the same one

[wraith kiln]

labelled it as "sand/white" - beige/mustard is way better, changed.

[outer saddle]

ah. yeuh they had nicknames. the mustards ones were callad senftopf, red beige ones sputnik and the green ones wendeei

also th2 2nd gen dosto cab ofc

[wraith kiln]

yh, I'll mention the nicknames in the buy menu

2nd Gen Cab - that's only been the cab, right? Or was there a 2nd Gen dosto coaches, too?

[outer saddle]

no. only cabs

they were basicly mad ebecause after fall of the wall they had a surplus of middle coaches because demand dropped. and the drop in freight demand caused plenty 243/143 available and they needed 1st clas sin locla trains now too. So this was tackled by making new cabcars, with 1st class and improved headroom in upper deck. They also got a controll desk basicly 100% compatibel with all the advanced functions of the 143 desk. (the earlier dosto cabs were kinda limited in funcitons the loco had)

the 2nd gen middle coach was basicly only ordered/built after DB/DR merged to DBAG

[wraith kiln]

so 2nd Gen DR-Dosto = 1st Gen DB Dosto, if i uderstand right?

[outer saddle]

hmm not really. I forgot how you named the stuff in GETS... but the first DB dosto were these, with doors over bogies for middle cars and the wittenberg style cabcars

[stray nova]

ye the DB and DR ones are quite different

[outer saddle]

well they are realy not. the DB ones are just a direct development of the DR ones.

the 1st db dosto is generally known as 3rd gen dosto.

[wraith kiln]

Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge @outer saddle I've just checked my fav library, seems like i will study DR-trains a bit next week.

[stray nova]

nah the DB 1st gen was developed at around the same time as the DR one

wasn't "directly" a descendent

[outer saddle]

I'm not ganna discus this again.. but any german source will call the first DB ordered dosto the 3rd gen and not 1st.

and yes they are not a direct development of the dr ones but the same manufacturer/factory built them

they got some flavours and patents of talbot aachen en the swiss ic2000 ones in there

[wraith kiln]

This is a known fact, yeah. Is there a better naming you could imagine? Preferably neither mentioning X Gen, nor the Gattungsbezeichnung?

[desert python]

Found a new feature in Magica Voxel

[stable sphinx]

ooo

[desert python]

yep, had to make empty interior for that

mostly as proof of concept

[wraith kiln]

This looks damn sick man

[outer saddle]

😍

[desert python]

Renderer is neat... Pretty useless for OpenTTD, but still.

[outer saddle]

openttd night gfx..

[wraith kiln]

The rails are a bit narrow though:D

[outer saddle]

broad gauge railbus 🤣

[wraith kiln]

Seems to be Russian export.🤣

[desert python]

that's wheels are to wide at all GETS's stuff

[wraith kiln]

Na they're fitting standard ottd-tracks.

[desert python]

Does that mean OpenTTD is Russian too?🤔

[wraith kiln]

According to the discord, Otto is 80% dutch

[wraith kiln]

Does the world need more Prussian Steam Engines?

[ocean roost]

Which Classes?

And we neee also more bavarian steamlocos (Br 70)

[wraith kiln]

T5.1, T5.2, P6, S6

No we do not need to open up a new can of worms ;) loose ends need finishing first.

As u can see, the Focus regarding steam engines (for me) is at Prussian Passenger stuff atm. Thats becsuse there is already a lot of coaching stock that fits those engines.

I wont start on Bavarian engines right now, since there is absolutely nothing that could be attached to it.

And in my eyes it does make a lot more sense to have the stuff of the biggest railway packed together instead of opening up a new chapter :)

Long story short: sorry, but no Br 70 anymore this year

[ocean roost]

Yeah you are right 🙂

[wraith kiln]

Anyways, I guess you can see where this leads to quite soon?

[stray nova]

we need ludmilla

[bright flame]

Hi, I dont really know if im right, but I know that the 152 is operating only cargo, not passenger

[wraith kiln]

Thanks for that one, itll be corrected in the next Release

[stray nova]

@mild schooner

[mild schooner]

Hi @wraith kiln , I code JP+ train stuff - and I really like GETS, but it makes me said there isn't any push-pull. Would you be interested in letting me have a look at that, or work with you on it, or have access to your dev github to fork it out and merge it back in, or anything on your terms that might aid the development of this area?

[wraith kiln]

Hey Tin,

Lovely! I'd be the last on earth to refuse someone Helping me.
Whatever mode you'd prefer, count me in!

[mild schooner]

Ahahah! How do you keep your development version? GitHub?

[wraith kiln]

Yh, it's templates code written in Geany (all handwritten, no automatisation). Every release goes to GitHub, so the current version is always on my personal PC.

Github is: https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS

[mild schooner]

Okidoki, I'll take a look at it, probably make a fork and play with a BR218 push-pulling something so I can reminisce over Stuttgart and Ulm trains 👀

Then we'll see what we can do from there onwards and upwards

[wraith kiln]

Oh god, that's lovely 😍

[mild schooner]

@vapid root say the line

[misty wraith]

bruh.

[mild schooner]

Wrong Jake, Jakeff

I'm not used to having a server with more than one Jake

[vapid root]

Make steuerwagen steuer again

[wraith kiln]

That's the pnml for the Karlsruher Kopf as Loco

https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS/blob/main/src/PASSENGER/KARLSRUHER_LOCO.pnml

And here is the code for the coach

https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS/blob/main/src/PASSENGER/KARLSRUHER.pnml

Sorry, the code is a messy mix of German and english and Denglisch

[mild schooner]

Hahaha, you knew exactly which carraiges I needed

I can work with English and Denglisch

I spent many a time ruining my German classes and annoying edeka staff with it

[wraith kiln]

I'll be here for any explanation:)

[mild schooner]

Was the reason for having the DVT as a loco and also coded as a wagon with the view the that loco version can do DVT functions and the wagon version cannot?

[wraith kiln]

The soul purpose of the DVT as the loco is to Heaven in front of the train nothing.

[wraith kiln]

Oh LOL, thats what my car understood from speach to text...

Sole purpose is eyecandy: the opportunity to have the DVT in front of the consist and the loco in the back.

[mild schooner]

I thought compiling JP+ took time, this took ages to compile! 😆 Big files that 4x zoom

[wraith kiln]

Sorry for the bunch of warnings :D

[desert python]

Testing new effects with GETS too

[minor cloud]

Hey
I'm trying out the huge variety of locomotives for fright trains, really amazing!
Small detail, i don't know if it can be fixed: BR 159 (Eurodual) has its pantograph raised in diesel mode. I know that some dual mode trolley buses (STGFX Trolleybus Set) also raise and lower their panotographs based on the mode of operation, so I thought I report this "error" here.

[wraith kiln]

Good point, thanks! I'll correct that for the next Release.

[wraith kiln]

I really, really like the Diesel effect! Looks awesome.

[desert python]

You can get one from xUSSRset folder on Yandex disk.

https://disk.yandex.ru/d/IbmQKHTDa9dFZQ/adds

I've posted "unfinished" grfs there.

[mild schooner]

No BR143, but that BR111 does the job too hehe

[wraith kiln]

this is wonderful :) of course i'm really interested in how does that work?

[violet python]

Push pulled yeah

[mild schooner]

😉 I used to sometimes get the BR111 replacing the BR143 replacing the talent 2 units - the first time I got a BR111 I was like 😮 what is this piece of history 😄

[mild schooner]

Im not sure how it works finally, because the extra long sprites WITH variable length vehicles mean that not only does it need to work out the ID of the opposite vehicle, but also the offset when reversed to get it to stay in the same place without jumping.

Todo that I've had to break the length of your vehicles from 2 and 3 part articulated vehicles made up with 3 and 5 and 3 length bits to having it made up of lots of 1 length part articulated vehicles.

[vapid root]

I remember staying in Innsbruck in the 2000s, the regional trains over the Karwendelbahn were still operated by 111s in push pull (the occasional 110 too even)

[stray nova]

ah yes the replacement for the replacement lmao

[wraith kiln]

Hallo skoda, my beautiful

[long frost]

Ah yes the most reliable loco of all time

[wraith kiln]

i do understand you're checking for vehicle-ID's. Guess once finished, you can provide code, so i can try if i do understand it?

[mild schooner]

I will with some explination, yep 🙂

[wraith kiln]

That's awesome, feels like i'm gonna learn smth :)

[mild schooner]

Ahahahah, Im learning right now myself, when I started I forgot extra length sprites do things very differently, so it's no copy-paste from JP+ 🤔

[desert python]

And noone noticed that I forgot to upload 102 vox...

[ocean roost]

i found new "bugs"

The Release dates of the Rail Adventure and touristic livery from the Br 103 are set in 1970

[desert python]

Wastin' time in renderer

[desert python]

Now it's time to test it!
Also tagging @whole root for suggestion on Reddit (missed original one).

[wraith kiln]

Looks dope! I'll check on sunday, ill be busy af before.

[desert python]

tiltin'

[whole root]

It's past three and we are playing billiard totally drunk. I will take a look at your message later.

[whole root]

By the way, how can I test the newest features? Do I need to compile code from GitHub?

[whole root]

Today I visited the Technik Museum in Berlin and there is a model of the LBE DoStos from 1940, so the colors here should be pretty accurate.

Well, it has been restored in 2007. Let's hope those people did know what is correct.

[stiff swan]

How's progress progressing

[wraith kiln]

thanks for spotting, this is corrected now.

[wraith kiln]

we do have testversions for us, which i can give u access to. GitHub is always the latest release.

[wraith kiln]

from what i see on the pictures loco and coaches have the same type of gray, correct? So my interpretation should be correct, i guess?

[wraith kiln]

just coded. Pendolino is next, let's see if i can get it tilting.

[stray nova]

If we can

ICE T/TD gotta be soon

[wraith kiln]

ICE Fleet seems to be simo333's thingy :D

[desert python]

I wouldn't mind if someone else did ICE-T/D

[wraith kiln]

satisfying?

[stable sphinx]

yes

and at the same time, incredibly cursed

[wraith kiln]

y cursed?

[mortal bobcat]

Very sharp turns

[desert python]

at least not a 90 turn

[wraith kiln]

of course, it's a test track ;)

But tilting is fine?

[stable sphinx]

i think it might be better demonstrated on a normal track with a longer train? idk

but yeah it looks tilty

[whole root]

They are just two long. You could couple two or three of them.

[wraith kiln]

if everyone is satisfied with the result, i'll go for mint colour and proper coding of that one :)

[stray nova]

Yeah that looks good

[stable sphinx]

oh yeah its easier to see how it works now

and it looks more subtle there which is good

[wraith kiln]

nice, thanks for your feedback👍 although the credit should go to @desert python since he did the drawing. All i've done was add a few lines of code ;)

[desert python]

I dislike that... x3 more voxels for each of them! 🤣

Jk, it's easly made with layers and rotate function... A bit of post processing may be required but not much.

[wraith kiln]

glad it hasn't been that much work :)

guess it's me for the loading sprites. You wanna do the mint version or do you want me to do that?

[desert python]

I'm busy rn. If you want to - you can do it.

[wraith kiln]

Yh, i'll give it a shot:)

[stray nova]

Awww Man

Last day of the 485 was today

They will be missed

The streets will not forget

[ocean roost]

@wraith kiln the first Dosto DVTs of the 1993 ones, were used in 1995

[wraith kiln]

these ones you mean?

[ocean roost]

yup

[wraith kiln]

So what's the issue?

[ocean roost]

it already gets avaiable at 1993

Several liveries from the 420 and 103 are also available at its first release, like the newer orange livery or the lufthansa and touristic livery

[desert python]

103 long cab also should appear a bit later.

[wraith kiln]

that'll stay, i don't want to send all dosto's to depot 2 years after they were available :D

[wraith kiln]

i'll check that

[wraith kiln]

and that

[ocean roost]

Thats understandable xd

[wraith kiln]

following up on this one, i've just checked the ET 420. Blue, Red and (first) yellow liveries are available from start on. In my eyes this is correct, since the three protoypes had these colours. 1987 marks introduction of the "real" S-Bahn livery, which is also represented in the code. Am i missing something?

Concerning the 103 long cab i couldn't find a specific introduction date, neither Wikipedia nor the literature i have at home are giving explicit dates for the last 30 locomotives... if anyone has better data, i'll be glad to change. Besides that i've changed Introductiondate for Touristic to 1995 and Railadventure to 2006.

[vapid root]

BR120.0 in Orientrot seems too early as well

[wraith kiln]

oh, it's only been the protoypes that got the TEE-livery. All the others had orientrot. THat's why orientrot is available that soon.

i could of course change that one

[vapid root]

I didn't know there was orientrot before 1987

DBXL lied to me

[ocean roost]

ahm

i found again something

TEE-Coaches are not availble before 19798, but they getting used a way much earlier

Especially, there is IC71, where you only have the red coaches

[wraith kiln]

Its mz stock, not TEE.

The TEE stock is not yet drawn ;)

[wraith kiln]

From what I know, the Prototypes (120.0) were delivered between 1979 and 1980. They've had the TEE liveries. 120.1 was the serial production, which had orientrot liveries. They were produced 1987 onwards.

So DBXL didnt lie, im just bending reality a bit

[wraith kiln]

To give you a proper answer too: the IC79-Stock is based on apmz 122 and bpmz 291/292. They're introduced in 1978/79 since that's the starting point for IC79-trains. When setting up the coach-stuff, I decided that there either needs to be a signing change in aesthetics or in gameplay(=stats).

TEE/Rheingold-Stock was invented 1962ish, so that's when they'll be introduced once drawn. They will have lower capacity since only 1. Class has been built.

The IC79-stock resembles the next generation: 2nd class coaches (and Ingame capacity), as well as the straight roof end compared to the TEE stock.

I had to take some decisions concerning all the coaching stock, since most of the coaches are looking damn similar and also have similar stats. This gets even worse with all the rebuilding these coaches had during their lifespan. While that's damn interesting for me and you, I can't litter a rather complicated grf with 20 different versions of what's in fact the same coach. I hope that's not too disappointing:)

[ocean roost]

Nah all good, i just change the ingame time for those coaches, when i need TEE Coaches 😉

But maybe it got out of vision

[desert python]

Also prototypes were not allowed for speeds above 160 km/h with exception of 120 005. But this one have slightly different appearance (better aerodynamics).

[desert python]

You can always hide unnecessary or unused vehicles in game.

[desert python]

Long cab started with 103 216.
Assuming dates on this list is right probably 1973 onwards.
https://railgallery.ru/list.php?mid=1766

[wraith kiln]

As I said: stats and looks are Almost identical for most. I've already tried to put them coaches into reasonable groups.

[desert python]

I'd go other way and gave each class a separate ID, so you can assemble and copy trains without random consist.

[wraith kiln]

and make an already packed and loaded grf even more packed and loaded? na, we had this discussion before, and i don't think that's a good idea

[desert python]

Still not close enough to a string limitations as xUSSRset... 🤣

[wraith kiln]

introdate changed to 1973, thx :)

[stiff swan]

Is there a playable version yet

[vapid root]

There sure is, 0.4 is on Bananas right now

[desert python]

Just a neat photo I'd like to share here

[wraith kiln]

what the hell is this? :D

[ocean roost]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peenemünder_Schnellbahnzüge

[wraith kiln]

guess we'll have to draw that, once we do Berlin S-Bahn stuff? :)

[ocean roost]

Do you wanna draw it already?

One of them were also used around koblenz in DB Livery x)

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_ET_26

It were 4 emus

[wraith kiln]

still got the Pendolino to re-colour. and i've started another type of older coaches. and... and.. and... :D

[ocean roost]

yeah ik

unfortunatly im currently addicted in Binding of Isaac, so im not a great help atm

[wraith kiln]

stuff will come, when it comes. But I'll add that thing to the list of things i'd like to draw sometime.

[desert python]

Nope, that's not it.

[wraith kiln]

what's it then?

[desert python]

ET 165 in Soviet.
Bunch of them were remade into broad gauge and catenary operation.

[wraith kiln]

Long time no see, but managed to do a bit of stuff....

Question: If i do BR 143 DB, which liveries do we need? I got the orientrot, DB Regio, S-Bahn. There is also RBH, i remember some Acelor Mittal orange thingy and a white AdTranz one...

[outer saddle]

orange arcelor and white where the prototype.

erfurterbahnservice has a black one

[wraith kiln]

ohhh, they've also got a EuroDual :)

[outer saddle]

db gebraucht zug also has a black ine

[wraith kiln]

• green one and red one. Makes up for a nice random switch :)

[outer saddle]

also yellow bahnbau

and eko trans had a red/silver one

[wraith kiln]

Like this, But EkoTrans goes into Arcelor Mittal (They belong together, i think)

[outer saddle]

i would replace adtraz with weisse lady prototype

it had various liveries after reunification and companies changed ownership few times. among it aeg and adtranz

[wraith kiln]

this one you mean by Weiße Lady?

[outer saddle]

no

[wraith kiln]

ah, gotcha, the original one with the strupes.

[outer saddle]

yep.

[golden nexus]

212?

[outer saddle]

212 seems wrong though lol maybe this is a tribute livery on a different loco

[golden nexus]

Perhaps

[outer saddle]

it was 243001/143001

[wraith kiln]

it is a tribute

[outer saddle]

its slightly different, has soem roof windows for example

[wraith kiln]

I'd like to split up 143 and 243. So the stripe thing goes to 243 which ultimately belongs to GDR-addon.

[outer saddle]

its wat later gor aeg and adtraz livery

[wraith kiln]

so 143 should only get liveries after german re-unification.

if that makes sense to anyone except me :D

[outer saddle]

001 in LEW livery

[golden nexus]

I like that

[wraith kiln]

other angle , more visible colours

[golden nexus]

We need both of these in game

[outer saddle]

coach was fitted with traction electronics for 3phase propulsion and with sockeds connected to the modified loco

[wraith kiln]

such advaned technology

[desert python]

You can guess which one I'll definitely make

[wraith kiln]

So 243 001 will go into GDR-Addon

this will be in Main Set:

progress :)

[golden nexus]

I agree

[wraith kiln]

...and done: BR 143 (DB-Version) included.

[outer saddle]

aeg, adtranz, eko were all as 143001 alteady

there also is direct rail. but they basicly use the old dr livery

arcelor mittal orange still missing

[wraith kiln]

They're all the same loco so the different liveries of that one go in the same set.

[wraith kiln]

Completely forgot - i'll do it the other day

[wraith kiln]

next update: More Coil Carriers in more colours.

[zenith relic]

hey garlic, are you going to make the NEB SA139 (dunno how they're named in germany) ?

[undone grail]

I have done a poor quality rendition of the SA139 (BR 632/633), posted it already in #add-on-development .

[gentle badger]

desiro😍

can i make a livery for 218 (i know how to work with magica voxel)

?

[wraith kiln]

That's the next one I'm gonna Code 👍

[wraith kiln]

Yh of course!

[gentle badger]

can i get a model?

to make it

i love 443

[wraith kiln]

I'm not at my computer right now, but the vox are on Github

[gentle badger]

okay will try to find it

[wraith kiln]

https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS/tree/main/Voxels/Fertiges/Lok - Diesel/V_160_family

[gentle badger]

thx

[wraith kiln]

There it is :)

[gentle badger]

will do it)

[gentle badger]

he's angry

[desert python]

I hope you use other "Touristic" as colour reference?

[gentle badger]

i use 443 as a reference

so yes

[desert python]

I mean there are few other locos in similar livery already... Take a look at their .vox so colours stay same.

https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS/blob/main/Voxels/Fertiges/Lok - Elektro/BR_103_2/BR_103_2_touristic.vox
Like this

[desert python]

And looks like one buffer is missing... Could be a base model issue though.

[gentle badger]

irl it rly bright (i saw it him tuesday)

[desert python]

Ah, ok.
Someone just painted buffer...

[gentle badger]

it was full painted

[desert python]

It was... Till it was used for the first time 🤣

[gentle badger]

but after carrying cars it dissapeared

[desert python]

That's why buffers are usually remain unpainted.

[gentle badger]

look ok?

[wraith kiln]

than one looks quite promising! :)

so the 632/633 got coded this morning - might be interesting for you, @desert python? I remember we've had a talk concerning some "half-length" EMU, do you remember?

[gentle badger]

Pesa sharks🤩

[desert python]

Yep, will check when I can.

[gentle badger]

Thx

[gentle badger]

Is there 143?

[wraith kiln]

yeah, we now have 143 (only DB-liveries) and 112 (also: only DB liveries).

[gentle badger]

Is it possible to update grf if it already was in a game?

[wraith kiln]

the stuff shown in the screenshot is an unreleased dev-version.

[gentle badger]

Oh okay

But for future?

[wraith kiln]

generally speaking it is technically possible. but it may break savegames in quite many ways.

[gentle badger]

Oh i need to start new game for an update?

That's kinda sad(

[wraith kiln]

U can update the grf. The command is "set newgrf_developer_tools 1"

Usually updating is kinda safe (if it breaks savegames, I mention it in the release note on forums), yet there is no guarantee it'll work.

But there wont be support in case it breaks.

[gentle badger]

Oh okay

So i will give some saves to mf

[zenith relic]

Well, GB - since you made DB and NEB variants - would you kindly make Lubuskie & Zachodniopomorskie too?

they look like this

[wraith kiln]

@undone grail made these I think. Although I wont Integrate them in GETS - because of the G ;)

[zenith relic]

still they're from 223M family

(Link)

i mean it would be nice to use GETS with "home" units as at least Lubuskie will be launching trains to Berlin/Kustrin-Kietz on our units

[golden nexus]

casual UFO in the second picture

[stray nova]

its poland they have them there

the eurorunner isn't here yet right?

would like to see it ^-^

[stray nova]

looks nice

[gentle badger]

thx

[gentle badger]

br193 railpool's

wtf

[desert python]

Furrytron

[desert python]

Well... Checked info about Railpool Vectrons and neither is a correct one! 🤣

First one, with a display are very first Vectrons to be built! They are single system an thus have only 2 panto. Cab's black part should touch headlights.

Another tip is to never use darkest black as a base colour. It will not have shadows in renders whatsoever.

And for one with red grill... it should have base of panto on red too.

[gentle badger]

okay thx for improving me

[zenith relic]

yes

we actually do

funny name ZAPYCHACZ UFO NR 8837

[desert python]

But it's not a PETS! 🤣

[undone grail]

These might be what you are looking for (they won't be added to GETS through).

[zenith relic]

yes

and fuck

sad

also - do you have like your own train set?

[desert python]

Carefull, 3 discord mods subbed on this topic 🤣

[zenith relic]

right

[undone grail]

Anyway going back on the topic off some German trains. I made some progress on the FLIRTs.

[desert python]

Ah, yes! Very minor progress indeed! Nothing to see here! 🤣

@wraith kiln , seems you'll have some work while I'm busy with other stuff after all!

Aha! Gotcha!

[wraith kiln]

Yeah man, that's amazing!

[desert python]

Invisible Garlic appears!

I think EuroDual is lacking liveries, but stuff do take longer than usuall..

[wraith kiln]

🤣 happens I react once pinged

[wraith kiln]

Neat one. Reminds me of the pantograph issue...

[desert python]

which one?

ah, that it's always up?

[wraith kiln]

Yh

[gentle badger]

Is it possible to make when br111 stop's it raise his second panto?

Like irl

[wraith kiln]

sorry, but BR 111 doesn't do that. Actually, no electric locomotive i've seen irl ever did this.

[nocturne wyvern]

the closest ive seen is when an mu is going to turn around it raises both panto's just to lower the other

but this is irrelevant

[wraith kiln]

yep, i've seen that quite often in frankfurt.

[desert python]

It's a DC loco thing. Currents at start are high and may cause damage if ony one panto is raised. AC locos (most of DB) are not subject to that due to higher voltage.

That is implemented in xUSSRset though

[gentle badger]

hmmm i was it few time irl

[stiff swan]

what about the RE5 RRX, is that done yet? I'd love it in game

Photos i downloaded off the internet

[wraith kiln]

take a look over here for what'll be in the next update

[stiff swan]

Wow that is high quality
Will all be available for standardopenttd fidelity or the high quality only

[wraith kiln]

what do you mean?

[stiff swan]

Look at the quality

[wraith kiln]

it literally says Extra-Zoom Set.

so: all GETS-Sprites are native 4x Zoom.

if you want to force the game to 1x zoom you can do this via settings - but this forces everything to 1x.

[stiff swan]

what does that mean

[desert python]

"RTX off" OpenTTD style

[stiff swan]

native 4x zoom

[desert python]

GETS have only x4 zoom sprites. Rest are downscaled by OpenTTD

And you can force downscaling by settings Garlic showed

[desert python]

literally "x16 details" just by enabling one setting

[zenith relic]

@wraith kiln - are you planning on making more liveries of 193?

such as the 193 366 Einzganders or TXL, Metrans (i'll show you which one)

or DB Cargo Polska 6193 274

i think you know what i mean

[desert python]

I belive that, as long as it German-related, you paint them yourself and provide .vox, it may be included in set.

So, DB Cargo Polska is unlikely to be in, but other may be

But we do have G2000 of Railion, whihc cannot run in Germany at all...

[zenith relic]

.vox?

please speak english

[mortal bobcat]

It is a file extension

[wraith kiln]

I wont do them myself yh, but just like @desert python said: if someone paints the voxel, I'll include it. Must run/be german though.

[zenith relic]

all of them run in germany

and TXL is german

(AC only version)

[livid ore]

Sorry if Off Topic and all, what base graphic set is making the trees look like that? (Cuz I want to use it alongside GETS and dunno where to ask!)

[mortal bobcat]

that is cztr trees it isn't a baseset tho

[livid ore]

ah, lovely! I'll get that alongside GETS then, thank you!

[wraith kiln]

@quaint stump may i ask what did you change in the GETS cargo age period fix? Anything else than this one very variable?

[quaint stump]

Raising the cargo_age_period of ICE, Flying Hamburg, TEE, Rheingold, and similar "luxury" trains and reefers. Lower this index of commuter trains accordingly.

[wraith kiln]

Could you pass me the values?

[minor cloud]

Generally: Is it allowed or even welcome to bring in repaints of existing vehicles? I read, that they should be operating in Germany, is there more to think of when doing repaints?

[wraith kiln]

Thanks!

[wraith kiln]

Contributions generally welcome. Just take care you use the correct palette

[minor cloud]

I assume when opening a .vox from GETS/Voxels/Fertiges that the palette is already correct?

[wraith kiln]

Yep, it saves the palette.

[minor cloud]

So, then let's have a first attempt of a repaint. It's fun, I have to admit. 😉

[minor cloud]

And here is SBB Cargo International

[stray nova]

This is really cool

@wraith kiln about time for some Nightjet shenanigans?

[wraith kiln]

request for doing GETS: Alpine Addon instead of OETSI?

[minor cloud]

If this would allow more Swiss Trains, I'm definitly in! 🤩

[wraith kiln]

btw: both repaints look sick!

[stray nova]

Yes

As long as we add narrow gauge idm

[wraith kiln]

yh, of course.

btw. i'll be back to coding/Drawing as soon as the S2 game ends. Which is indeed a damn lot of fun.

[wraith kiln]

I mean for both CH an AT there is already a lot of stuff, that basically just needs repainting. Should be possible to get smth out kinda quick.

[wraith kiln]

What's the company of this one?

[minor cloud]

Widmer Rail Services
I mainly choose it because it is an easier repaint to start with. 😉

[wraith kiln]

Also Swiss, right?

[minor cloud]

Swiss based but in operation also in Germany

[wraith kiln]

ohhh there is also that BLS one 😍

[outer saddle]

Now also alp piercer with red fronts, the black shadow piercer and the silver piercer

[minor cloud]

Red is done, black and silver are probably next 😅

[outer saddle]

SBB cargo international who operates the piercer vectrons is german btw.

it's seperate form the swiss sbb cargo

this vid explained it how these loco's came to be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nL7yje0xQT8

[stray nova]

BLS Re475

[minor cloud]

Nice! That was fast! 😄😉

[wraith kiln]

Good to see you back

[stray nova]

something easy to get back into

[stray nova]

eh?

this is the point where I wanna build the Eurofirma from scratch

[wraith kiln]

given the fact that we now have 2 countries to cover it would even make sense, wouldn't it?

[stray nova]

maybe

the issue is this model does very little in the way of help for older variations

I built it for the new EF and thats It

this is also a very good base for the SBB logo

[stray nova]

eurofirmas were important but they were never used as the mainline stock in CH or ÖE

SBB had EW III's and EV IV's coming in and OBB still had there old wagons plus EW II's and EW III's

in germany they were stuck using UICx's from the 60's almost

[wraith kiln]

idc how important. i like the orange look :D

[wraith kiln]

(and obviously idk too much about those coaches)

[stray nova]

the orange was a standard livery for the eurofirma's

DB, SBB, OBB, SNCB, SNCF all had them in this livery

SNCB one

FS one

OBB one

SBB one

[wraith kiln]

close!

[stray nova]

supposed to be a "standard stock for europe"

[stray nova]

more of a base than a finished model

[wraith kiln]

1.) orange at the door must be longer and / instead of I

2.) bigger logo
3.) missing radiator stuff
4.) Drehfalttüren: No gray line.
5.) longer frist class line

[wraith kiln]

just wanted to critize quickly and avoid a base model that neads tweaking :)

[stray nova]

EW IV's my beloved

[wraith kiln]

just learned, most EW's shared between ÖBB and SBB

[stray nova]

I think they were until the EW IV?

but i can't be sure since OBB has the siemens viaggio fuckers

the weird ones

but in switzerland anything goes really

since any train can be used with any coaches

do we want to build an interior for this and have some transparent pixels as windows?

[wraith kiln]

if "we" translates to "anyone that's not named garlic": yeah

[stray nova]

lmao

I'm just thinking because it might look like shit

also I haven't even got started with weird EW's

EW II but narrow guage

EW 90

some really mad stuff

[minor cloud]

I like where this is going. 😄 Panorama coach with transparent would be nice. 😄

[stray nova]

its possible that it might be a bit broken and not work

plus I think it wouldn't work with the style of the set

we can try tho

[wraith kiln]

sometimes you win, sometimes you learn ;) sooo if it looks like shit, we can still do the purple windows

[stray nova]

yeah

i have a work thing now so I'm going to try and do something while its on but I probably wont get very far

[outer saddle]

this isn't one though

[stray nova]

its I10

I10 is eurofirma derived

[outer saddle]

yeah basicly only bodyshell, the res tis pretty much different

and the bogies got carried over.

[stray nova]

if thats the way you base a eurofirma then the SBB ones can't be considered

same as most DB ones

[outer saddle]

the amount of true eurofima's is prety low.

i i recall correc tonly 1000 were made

ohno evne only 500

Sbb, SNCF and DB only had 1st class ones

[vapid root]

I wonder how many are still in service

[stray nova]

some in italy

some modernised ones in Austria

some I10's are kicking about I think

most are oin germany now tho

[outer saddle]

nmbs still runs some i6

sncf also still has some afaik

[vapid root]

Pretty sure I've been on one in Italy, it had the fold out seats in the corridor

[outer saddle]

o"bb stock went czechia and was modernized.

[stray nova]

this is an OBB one

idk if they still run becuase I haven't seen them ever when I've been there

they got modernised and either shipped off to eastern europe or scrapped

CD still have loads in use from what I can tell

[stray nova]

2nd thought this might be a viaggio

has the weird small windows

[outer saddle]

thes are not eurofima, these are late derivatives and were massively modified with new ends to be able to have fitted pressure tight walkways if nessecary

Bogies, body and technical they are prety different

[stray nova]

not really

they are still within that umbrella

anyone know if these still run?

[outer saddle]

these were true eurofima ones of öbb, a set was rented to NS. and after that they were sold ot regiojet

[stray nova]

point being they still are part of that family of trains

[outer saddle]

nah thye just follow UIC-Z1/Z2 norms

[stray nova]

body is still derived as is some of the internal systems

if it was corail derrived and looked the same I would say no its not a corail but it does look similar

the only main external differences are the doors, lights and lack of openable windows

side by side

clearly is a difference but they are very similar

[outer saddle]

the first derivative of obb was a joke though

sig bogies and folding doors.

[stray nova]

these still run no?

[outer saddle]

not that i'm aware

[stray nova]

the bike/wheelchair cars

oh no

Wrmz

i remember seeing them with the folding doors

[minor cloud]

So I'd really like to contribute models and more types, but I'm new in all of this, the repaints were my first attemps of contributing something. I can always take models as base, but hopefully I can also do more sometimes. 😅

[stray nova]

i started out doing the exact same man

think this was my first vox

[minor cloud]

Red Alpine Piercer

[zenith relic]

@wraith kiln

what about PKPIC EU44 running in DE?

and PKPIC UIC-Z carriages

(could be a repaint of the carriages)

[wraith kiln]

Nope

[gentle badger]

what about QBB vectron/taurus they very often running in germany

[stray nova]

thats for GETS Alpine

or ÖETSi

[whole root]

In the CZTR thread someone asked about the Traxx 3 / our BR147 and BR187. Wouldn't it be the case that due to the open licenses we can make a model together and share it?

[wraith kiln]

well, we neither have 147 nor 187. but concerning the license, GETS is GPLV2, so as far as i know (and im not a lawyer), CZTR needs to be GPLV2, too.

Other than that, i don't really care for that legal stuff, but most modern electrics are done by simo333. Might be a good idea to ask him.

[mortal bobcat]

Not if you allow them to use it anyway but it is up to the copyright holder iirc

[wraith kiln]

yh, that's why i mentioned simo333, who originally created the models. I can't speak for him, but from my side it's fine.

[whole root]

Btw, I would like to start actively doing something for GETS and not just test and report issues. I want to make the Bay. S2/6, the ancestor of the most beautiful steam engine ever. I remember that someone already does the S3/6, so I've choosen the S2/6, which archived the steam engine speed world record of 155 km/h in 1907. I've seen it in real life in the DB Museum Nuremberg and it is so amazing to look at!

Is there a guide on GitHub or somewhere else, where I can learn how to create the model and all the other data that is needed?

[wraith kiln]

Check the Timberwolf Videos on YT for a start on how to do voxels. I'd highly recommend starting off with smth more easy than S2/6 in order to avoid frustration.

Other than timberwolfs videos, you can always check on Github for the existing models, and start tinkering from there. In case you have questions, you're always welcome to ping me or write a DM.

[whole root]

Something easier. Maybe a Köf III.

I will see how it goes.

[wraith kiln]

That'd be a good idea - no rods, no animations, boxier shape (and more necessary concerning gameplay:))

[stray nova]

I might start work on this today

there is a problem however

not flat sides

they really curve in towards the top

I could start on the EW i or EW ii first and then build around that?

small

[stable sphinx]

I didn’t realise that ugly livery on the Ew from the sbb set would be just as ugly irl

[stray nova]

what the blue blue one?

yeah its horrid

[stable sphinx]

Probably the worst I’ve ever seen

[stable sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-cant-unsee-burn-gif-7225082

I resent its mere existence

Because i have to draw it

[wraith kiln]

this could be the way EW is simple shape

[stray nova]

I'm not good at bogies I'm finding

[wraith kiln]

leave it up to me?

[stray nova]

please

[wraith kiln]

like, you could do the wagon, send it, i do the bogie, you do the colors?

[stray nova]

yeah sure

[wraith kiln]

meanwhile in Würtenberg :)

[gentle badger]

Is x-wagen will be added?

[wraith kiln]

It's planned someday

[gentle badger]

I can drop photos for it

[wraith kiln]

i got blueprints of that one somewhere on my hdd

[gentle badger]

Blueprint is rlly cool

Is it possible to add event DB ist streiken)

[wraith kiln]

Support the Union and use this one ;)

[gentle badger]

:)

[stable sphinx]

Out of curiosity are you guys still sticking to west Germany or have you expanded?

[gentle badger]

Ludmilaaaaaaaa

[wraith kiln]

half-assed start for GDR-addon has been made, but hype is Alpine atm.

[stable sphinx]

By alpine do you mean Austria and Switzerland?

Or just alpine Germany

[wraith kiln]

AT and CH will go into one big addon, yh.

[stable sphinx]

Nicee

Can’t wait to see how your crocodiles and red arrows look

[wraith kiln]

crocodile will be a shitton of work :D

[stable sphinx]

I’m guessing you’re going to articulate it?

[wraith kiln]

idk, didn't think about that one yet.

[stable sphinx]

Ohh

[stable sphinx]

This is something i myself plan to make

Only 3 were made and all visually unique but were extremely powerful for their time with the final one being the most powerful locomotive in the world so i think they certainly would see use by players

Iirc they did about 100kph too so they were not slow

[gentle badger]

But it swiss

Not german

[stable sphinx]

Very observant

[stray nova]

no roof details but its a decent shape base

[wraith kiln]

I'll get some stuff done and do the bogies after that. Wasn't prepared you're that fast :D

[stray nova]

haha

I can be quite quick

[bright flame]

Will SETS happen? 😂

[stray nova]

I'll get some more details done now then

ignore this

[stable sphinx]

SETS?

[bright flame]

Swiss extrazoom train set

[stable sphinx]

Oh

I mean

They did just say so

That Austria and Switzerland will be in an addon

[bright flame]

Oh

[stable sphinx]

About 20 minutes ago xd

Idk i have little concept of time

[bright flame]

Nice i really wanted austrian trains

[stable sphinx]

Mood

Ohhh

The mouse train

Grey mouse

Idk what it’s called