Yeah nah we gotta get the Cuban railway liveries
#GETS German Extra-Zoom Trains DevZone
stray nova
wraith kiln
there's no visible difference between VT 95 and 98 at OTTD-Scale.
ocean roost
there's no visible difference between VT 95 and 98 at OTTD-Scale.
Allright 👌
this is very important 🌚
desert python
Doesn't E19 too dark on red one? 🤔
Also not happy with black lines on 181... Not sure why one is missing.
Great one!
ocean roost
Wait
i noticed something odd about the ICE 1 layouts...
Until 2002, when the new livery came for the ICE 1, they had 8 B coaches, one WR and 3 A coaches
after that, they had 7 B coaches, one WR and 4 A coaches
the LDV-ICE has 6 B coaches, one WR and 2 A Coaches
maybe you can change it @wraith kiln
wraith kiln
Although more "realistic"(cursed word), I guess this would cause more confusion than necessary. I'd like to leave it as is for now, and keep possible changes for sometime later.
wraith kiln
Doesn't E19 too dark on red one? 🤔
Also not happy with black lines on 181... No...
You'd like it one lighter? I'll test that next week and send you a screen.
desert python
Maybe, or maybe it's too dark on that screenshot
ocean roost
nope
modest forge
just wanted to ask how do you guys create the models?
stray nova
A tool called magica voxel
We then convert them to sprites using a custom script made by Timberwolf
ocean roost
The next luggage coach is in progress
ocean roost
i´ll
modest forge
A tool called magica voxel
could you tell me how to get started with building trains?
outer saddle
search the timberwolf tutorials on youtube
isk if that is the one. i remember it as multiple video's but may be wrong
Ah. these are what you want: https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLuO1EdT1BRkdgicGIvQkV4QaBDqtsYmBs
modest forge
found them, but he doesn't explain how to calculate the length
for example, i want to model the ET 2010 (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ET_2010), which is 37.03 m long, 4 m high and 2.65 m wide (i couldn't find measurements for the singular cars). how big would i make the model?
stray nova
66 64px 4/8
82 80 5/8
98 96 6/8
114 112 7/8
132 128 8/8
148 144 9/8
164 160 10/8
180 176 11/8
198 192 12/8
214 208 13/8
230 224 14/8
246 240 15/8
255 256 16/8
These are the Vox to in game pixels
With the proportions to the actual train
I think we did it so that 60cm is 1 vox
But don’t quote me
stray nova
You could work back and figure out the length of a train and count the vox in that length
quaint stump
Hello, I found all the cargo aging periods of wagons and passenger cars in GETS are default. Could you add longer periods for 1st-level passenger cars, ICE, and refrigerated wagons? This is important because in the newer version of OpenTTD, long time transit would be no profit. Thanks!
wraith kiln
I might add that somewhere down the line, but currently it's not on my list of things. Mostly since I neither know of a documentation nor do is there some go-to values.
quaint stump
I might add that somewhere down the line, but currently it's not on my list of t...
Well, the default value is 185. The larger the value is, the less cargo will age. (if set to 0, cargo will not age.) To use it, simply add one line in the property:
cargo_age_period: 278;
outer saddle
I would do percentages above and below default.
wraith kiln
I know how to code that, for sure. But knowing the default value doesn't necessarily make you know a good value for a 1920-s express coach.
outer saddle
but yeah you need to determine a balance first... with a big spreadsheet probably
wraith kiln
Yeah, the balance is the main problem. That takes a lot of time, and time is unfortunately a very scarce resource on my side ATM.
mortal bobcat
Multi-voltage GETS when?
wraith kiln
German chancellor Olaf just announced that beginning 1910, all German trains are converted into multi-voltage trains 😛
More seriously: I saw your multi-voltage sukts (great work btw). Multi-Voltage stuff might be an option, but same as cargo ageing: time is a scarce resource atm
mortal bobcat
Fair
I wouldn't mind making a PR if someone makes a list of what voltages different locos have
stray nova
Oooooh ummmm that should be pretty simple just going through wiki looking at voltages
wraith kiln
Even simpler: everything that's not a "18x" or "19x" should be 15kv 16 2/3 Hz
Questions that rise up:
-Do we just do Multisystem as "ELRL"?
- How about running/purchase cost - needs changes?
- additional models? As of per today there is no need to distinguish between vectron and MS-Vectron, etc.
mortal bobcat
- Would be SAAE and then ELRL If it isn't ac 15 and 25 only in which case it would use NORD
- Would be separate issue imo
- I am Lazy so would just do multisystem
wraith kiln
2 and 3 are kinda connected to each other. I do think, there should be a difference in costs though. (even if that's cosmetic, money doesn't matter...)
Gimme some time, I'll think about all that Jazz.
stray nova
Questions that rise up:
-Do we just do Multisystem as "ELRL"?
- How about runn...
Vectron variations should be fairly simple, different roof here, ERL livery there
That’s all that goes for visual differences
The 2 panto one should be done and we already have the 4 panto ones
desert python
Questions that rise up:
-Do we just do Multisystem as "ELRL"?
- How about runn...
One that made is AC Vectron. As with other MS locos - more pantographs required.
desert python
The 2 panto one should be done and we already have the 4 panto ones
Do we have 4 panto ones?... I forgot what I've made... 🤣
wraith kiln
Do we have 4 panto ones?... I forgot what I've made... 🤣
maybe these 42 electrics help you remember?;)
desert python
Well, yep. 4 panto... MS vectron then...
desert python
maybe these 42 electrics help you remember?;)
Looks like E50 still have an old front?..
wraith kiln
did it ever get a new front?
wraith kiln
Success for SMITS.
Also works with NuTracks, SUKTS, Timberwolfs Tracks and CZTR. What else should it be tested against?
mortal bobcat
ok I thought I saw some on wikipedia
mortal bobcat
oh no
wraith kiln
There you have the reason for not digging TOO deep into that stuff.
wraith kiln
Most modern locos at least have the option to order them with the desired voltage
stray nova
Like realistically it should only be between 3k DC and 25k AC
Those two should be global standards
Plus 800v 3rd rail
mortal bobcat
why would you ever want dc tho?
wraith kiln
xUSSR works, too.
Only thing that doesn't work is V4 CEE tracks
but that's since V4 does define it's own ELRL-type AND additional voltages. Don't think there is a way to work around that, but i may be corrected.
wraith kiln
Ah you're right!
stray nova
I remember it having good details with axle weights also
wraith kiln
on dutch tracks, 15KV-trains run on 25KV, sicne it doesn't define 15KV-rails., but not on standard DC-rails. Multisystem engines run on all available tracks.
stray nova
Hmmmmm ok
quaint stump
When using dutch trainset without dutch trackset, Eurostar does not speed easily
wraith kiln
that's fine for me - 25KV-AC is the fallback if Trackset doesn't define 15 KV
the way it works right now is 15KV AC -> Falls back to 25KV AC -> Falls back to "has wires"/ELRL. enough compatibility if you ask me. Other opinions valid ;)
quaint stump
But the question is how dutch set regards the default electrified track
wraith kiln
default in netherlands is 1,5Kv DC, therefore everything works as intended.
outer saddle
When using dutch trainset without dutch trackset, Eurostar does not speed easily
this is a parameter to use full power disregarding the voltage. Otherwise the power also depends in track voltage.
outer saddle
why would you ever want dc tho?
in a modern world, never. It used it be a lot easier to controll DC motors instead of AC motors. many older AC locos just carried a rectifier onboard to make DC for the motors.
mortal bobcat
That's what I thought
nocturne wyvern
it was also quite hard to get AC onto the wires back in the day
it simply was cheaper to get DC
until it wasnt
something about keeping the hz consistent
desert python
Early 25 kV AC locos had mercury convertors, thus gas masks were required in initial start up and in case of fault.
Germany had lower frequency (16 2/3 vs 50-60 Hz), thus didn't need convertors in locos but had to have them on power sub-stations.
In some cases dedicated power stations were built
outer saddle
Germany had lower frequency (16 2/3 vs 50-60 Hz), thus didn't need convertors in...
the lower frequency allowed the use of AC motors instead. and didn require rectifiers
desert python
Rectifiers it is... Didn't know how those called in English.
outer saddle
it simply was cheaper to get DC
wrong. distributian grids were basicly all AC already when electric railways came
its was just easier to put the big heavy rectifiers in a building along the track then in a loco. making the loco much simpler
desert python
DC have higher loss over distance and catenary itself is more expensive (much more copper required).
But locomotives themselves were simplier.
outer saddle
yes and there are a few more DC issues. because above can be solved by going high voltage DC. (25kv DC for example.) But there was no tech yet to switch HVDC, because arcing. Nowadays we got stuff like Solidstate switches for HVDC, and DC longdistance transmission has actually less loss then AC.
desert python
But you don't want to fry your passengers, don't you?
mortal bobcat
don't those require cooling?
desert python
don't those require cooling?
All stuff requirrs it.
outer saddle
everything requires cooling. big part of loco's is just cooling
desert python
There were 6kV DC tests in USSR which were unsuccessful.
A lot of arching and burnt wires aren't great for daily use.
To make things worse - early 50's EMU were used that had trapaulin roofs...
outer saddle
yeah that is the issue with hvdc and a panto. you get arc much easier causing welding effect and melting/damaging the panto and wire. An AC arc much easier self extinguishes.
desert python
That's aslo a reason why there is no DC HS rails anywhere.
Max speed is 250 km/h, usually never goes above 200.
desert python
You'll end up with either broken panto or burnt wire with 3 kV
outer saddle
its just not worth it, the wear and heating of wires make it much more compicated then just useing AC.
nocturne wyvern
the 10 kv ZHESM electric trains required atleast half an hour of doing nothing in a station to make a trip from rotterdam to scheveningen
in the summer this could be up to 2 hours
outer saddle
sound more like a design flaw of inadequate cooling.
nocturne wyvern
I believe it was the highest voltage used at the time
for a train
no wait in 1904 the swiss started with 15kv
outer saddle
I wonder how the electical schema of the motorcars looked.
nocturne wyvern
I believe the utrechts archief might have that
outer saddle
10kV 25hz. sounds like it may have used AC motors. Nvbs and likely utrechts archief yes.
outer saddle
Before or after rebuilt. they were extensively modified.
outer saddle
May very well have been the orignal electric was a small tapchanger transformer and AC motors. The original motors werent powerfull, so it could all be pretty compact.
nocturne wyvern
1925, last edited 1941
outer saddle
1925, thats when 1500v already
nocturne wyvern
they were rebuild in 1926
but considering it was edited in 1941, means that it might still be rebuild
outer saddle
yeah and the design drawings will have been made before the actual rebuilt
bright flame
Hi! Does Germany have these trains?
nocturne wyvern
no it doesnt
bright flame
Ok thank you
DB cargo has some in romania and I tought that there were in germany too
outer saddle
They are romanian 25kV loco's these cant even run in germany.
Idk if the greencargo sweden transmontana's are allowed to go into germany???
There are transmontana with austrian approval i think.
nocturne wyvern
Idk if the greencargo sweden transmontana's are allowed to go into germany???
I dont think they cross the oresund
mortal bobcat
They can according to Wikipedia but I doubt they do as they are mostly used for heavy steel trains iirc
seams they aren't fitted with danish atc
bright flame
I think there is a smaller variant of these locos. I think that ones can run on 15kw
quaint stump
That's aslo a reason why there is no DC HS rails anywhere.
Max speed is 250 km/h...
I think there are some parts that can go 250 between Moscow and St Peterbourg, how about real train operation
desert python
DB cargo has some in romania and I tought that there were in germany too
That's a Swedish-based loco. You have more chances to find similar designs there.
desert python
I think there are some parts that can go 250 between Moscow and St Peterbourg, h...
Only few parts allow 250, mostly 200 or even 160.
bright flame
That's a Swedish-based loco. You have more chances to find similar designs there...
Oh I didnt know that it was swedish I tought that it was buildt by Electroputere in Romania
mortal bobcat
It was but with technology from Swedish ASEA
ocean roost
Guys, i was playing League of Legends recently... aaand what does League and those Trains have in common? 😛
stray nova
DB cargo has some in romania and I tought that there were in germany too
I don’t think DB Cargo even owns them, they are part of another company just painted in DB livery
bright flame
These are the locos that they own
I think that this is a separate company, that was funded by DB
nocturne wyvern
they have a subsidiary for every country
nocturne wyvern
the 232 did operate in germany, so thats coming some day
desert python
Not soon as it's DR stuff.
desert python
Only 112 may end up in GETS as I understand, because it was co-founded by DB and DR and was manufactured after merge.
bright flame
Yeah, I understand. There is very much work
desert python
We need to finish DB
I'm almost done with electrics.. how's others doing?
Modern: 152, 102, 127, 128... All others are early and we are pretty much covered there.
desert python
maybe these 42 electrics help you remember?;)
I mean it's enough already, isn't it?
stray nova
Can’t be much more steam and wagons left
The Restaurant cars aren’t in yet
Sleepers
Lint, Better Flirt 1, Flirt 2, Kiss 1&2, Twindexx, IC2
That’s pretty much all the modern shit I can think of atm
Flixtrain is in
Maybe we could do Locomore and the Connex Connected set
MAK Di6
This consist is cool
Plus the advert Connex traxx i did. ages ago
outer saddle
Di6 is cool
wraith kiln
Sorry, late to the party again.
Concerning GDR-Stuff: If you guys draw stuff, I'll code stuff.
Concerning missing stuff:
- more EMU's
- more DMU's
- more Steam Engines
- more Goods Wagons
- still a few coaches missing
- Sleepers
- Restaurant Cars
I'll hopefully be back with more time at my disposal within the next two weeks, so there'll be a speed up in coding.
stray nova
@wraith kiln u good with starting a DDR set?
I have Y-Wagens and Halberstadt done
Plus mitropa dining
wraith kiln
Yh, sure. I'll set up some code stuff in the next few days.
stray nova
Hell yeah
ocean roost
Sorry, late to the party again.
Concerning GDR-Stuff: If you guys draw stuff, I...
the Tilting DMUs are definitly missing tho
wraith kiln
I guess they count as "more DMU'S" ;)
ocean roost
Okay, then i correct myself: We need more DMU´S!
stray nova
LINT is really needed
stray nova
Yes
wraith kiln
Coding update: 182 and 183 done, ALEX-Stuff done, VT95 done
Next steps: VT96-trailer(s), Talgo, Dosto's and BR 102.
stray nova
I’ll do Dosto Alex tmrw
wraith kiln
Sven already did one :)
stray nova
Ah ok ignore me then
wraith kiln
just didn't code it before i'll do your new dostos ;)
stray nova
Yeah looking forward to seeing the HKX one
wraith kiln
same here, they be looking great from what i saw.
stray nova
This intrigues me
ocean roost
Coding update: 182 and 183 done, ALEX-Stuff done, VT95 done
hehe, nice 😄
The mint luggage car is also almost finished soon, so we have about 5 more luggage car liveries (Dms and BDms)
wraith kiln
'nuff Traingame for today. VT-98 Trailer added, Flixtrain Coaches added.
desert python
Next steps: VT96-trailer(s), Talgo, Dosto's and BR 102.
Someone made 102 already?
wraith kiln
Someone made 102 already?
You?!
desert python
You mean 105?
wraith kiln
102, 105, where's the difference?🙈
desert python
One made in Czech anoter in Spain...
ocean roost
'nuff Traingame for today. VT-98 Trailer added, Flixtrain Coaches added.
Do you have maybe the Voxel for the Vt98?
i wanna do the PEG Livery for the Schienenbus
Possible private EVU liverys
wraith kiln
Do you have maybe the Voxel for the Vt98?
It's on the drive now.
ocean roost
👌
ocean roost
new livery for 2nd generation dosto 🌚🌚😂
wraith kiln
I'm coding the Bi-Levels. - @stray nova there is Nah.SH old and new, what's the difference? Or should they be used together?
stray nova
Old ones were painted in like 2015
The new ones have started popping up in the last year or so
They also look way cleaner in every image
wraith kiln
ah, thx. so old will be introduced in 2015, new ones in 2023
btw, this could be useful for other Nah.SH stuff (includes good sideviews of Busses and modern DMU/EMU)
https://www.nah.sh/assets/downloads/NAHSH_Manual_Teil02_Fahrzeuge_2020_04.pdf
stray nova
Yeah some of the designs in this newer livery are for twindexx
I still haven’t seen an old lok hauled Dosto with the new livery and branding
If we ever do a bus set then yeah I can see this being really dann useful
shy current
Hello! Whats with this train lifetime is it supposed to be this long?
wraith kiln
No, that's an (already reported) bug, that'll be fixed in the next release.
stable sphinx
Hi! Does Germany have these trains?
aree these 441s?
stable sphinx
This intrigues me
danishy
wraith kiln
current coding status. Dosto 2nd Gen are WIP, DVT's will come later (Nah.SH needs to be drawn first :))
stray nova
do they have classic dostos in Nah.Sh livery
only twindexx
i could do fictional one
wraith kiln
you're right, i can't find a pic of them....
apparently the do nah.sh Dosto's and red DVT's:
ocean roost
current coding status. Dosto 2nd Gen are WIP, DVT's will come later (Nah.SH need...
Is the alex dosto missing, or will it come later=
ocean roost
apparently the do nah.sh Dosto's and red DVT's:
Little Funfact: they had no nah.sh DVTs, because they were aiming for the EMUs
wraith kiln
Is the alex dosto missing, or will it come later=
it's the 2nd Gen one
but while you're here: Do you know something about "Wagenreihung" of the Talgo-Trains?
wraith kiln
no hurries :)
ocean roost
Well... meh not really tho...They send us some flyer about the ICE-L but, they dont published a fix layout yet
But they have 17 coaches, so i suggest, one dining car, 5 first class coaches and 11 seconds class coaches
wraith kiln
that'll be "realistic" enough, i guess.
ocean roost
They have 85 seats in first class and 477 in second
so it would be four first class coaches and 12 second class coaches
they have a bike compartment, for eight bikes...
Wait
im doing some math right now
they have 24 seats in the bike coach
they have about 15 seats in the special faciltiy car
and they have 40 seats per normal second class car
44*
so those 12 second class coaches would cover it perfectly, then 1 dining car, and 4 first class coaches with 22 seats each
wraith kiln
Nice, thank you!
stray nova
do the 4 first class ones count towards the "DVT"?
ocean roost
oof i dont know
wraith kiln
Variations on a recurring Theme: Dosto finished
wraith kiln
Is the 403 planned? (the old one)
sometime, i guess. but like "not right now"
ocean roost
sometime, i guess. but like "not right now"
Allright ^^
wraith kiln
I've got guitars that've been cheaper... :d
wraith kiln
Z? That's fiddly AF. If ever, I'd do N scale. But even if it's cheaper, it's still expensive AF. Model trains really is a rich guz hobby nowadays:D
stray nova
yup
wraith kiln
märklin just published this, would be an interesting steam loco
78.10 should be fairly easy, as it's only a P8 with a too small tender. I'll give that a shot soon ™
ocean roost
Z? That's fiddly AF. If ever, I'd do N scale. But even if it's cheaper, it's sti...
I've also N scale, and my gf has z scale... but z is way too smol
wraith kiln
Had N scale stuff years ago, and that's even been to small for my meatfingers. Also, I wouldn't have the space for a proper layout 🤣
ocean roost
stray nova
I've also N scale, and my gf has z scale... but z is way too smol
i dont even have the room for N guage lmao
hence why i wanted Z
ocean roost
ofc it isnt ready yet, but thats my plan for my layout, i´ve to set all tracks, but the sizes and the is final
I´ll also built it modular, so i can seperate it, when we are moving in the future
wraith kiln
I'm currently finalizing the Talgo.
Two questions:
1.) What's the official name now? I can find ICE-L, ECx, IC2 and right now i'm kinda confused.
2.) Should it be coded as an EMU/fixed consist or as loco + fixed set of coaches? First would allow reversing, second would allow to haul it with different locos.
bright flame
I would choose second, to haul it with different locos
stray nova
Loco with rake not a fixed set
And call it the ICE-L
What’s the loco classification?
wraith kiln
What’s the loco classification?
BR 105, or what do you mean by "classification"?
stray nova
Yeah so have the loco separate as BR105 and the set separate as ICE-L
wraith kiln
Alright. then lets have some lunch and some code.
ocean roost
just a little pic
ocean roost
I'm currently finalizing the Talgo.
Two questions:
1.) What's the official nam...
Its officially the ICE-L (ICE-Low)
There will be the Br 105
But they will also use the Dual-Mode Vectron for the destination Westerland-Hamburg and Oberstdorf-Augsburg
For the ICE Hamburg-Oberstdorf and Berchtesgaden, there will 2 trainparts, of 17 coaches each
so with 13,1 meters/ coach x 34, you can expect the length of such a train
Maybe, they will also produce other compositions with less coaches tho
wraith kiln
We're faster than the original - Talgo done (Testfile uploading to Testdrive)
ocean roost
We're faster than the original - Talgo done (Testfile uploading to Testdrive)
uuuuh looking damn great 😮
wraith kiln
Yh, both simo333 and wynd did a really great job
ocean roost
We dont have the eurorunner yet? (Br 223)
ocean roost
maybe interesting for someone
ocean roost
I want my UIC-X bord bistro
Then draw it 🌚 we are still lacking dining cars 🙂
stray nova
We have it
It’s in set
I made it when I was doing the eurofirmas
Still Rheingold needs to get done
wraith kiln
Reason Diner Cars ain't in for now is mainly: there ain't enough to cover whole timeline. I wouldn't release with only three dining cars from 1950 onwards
ocean roost
Reason Diner Cars ain't in for now is mainly: there ain't enough to cover whole ...
holup i know about 15-20 different dining cars
wraith kiln
Yh, I'll need help on newer ones, but I good quite good sources for anything before 1980ish. That won't be in the next release (once at home, I want to pick up some loose ends on goods wagons first). But if we agree, that could be the major thing of the version after that.
wraith kiln
Ooof:D
stray nova
Yh, I'll need help on newer ones, but I good quite good sources for anything bef...
I got the WRmz 135 done
That was fine
Plus it’s one of the cool ones with the panto
Was debating weather to do it with panto up in a loading sprite but eh
desert python
ICE was done already
stray nova
Was it?
desert python
408 (ICE3Neo) is almost same as 407 (Velaro D).
All visual changes were with doors and I believe I made all wagons to make both 407 and 408
Yep, on drive.
ocean roost
ICE-Ts are badly missing
stray nova
TD’s more
If we are gonna add them DSB livery is required since they were still DB even then
ocean roost
I would love to draw the DSB livery then 😍
ocean roost
if i can find time and Motivation, i could draw this Talent2 livery
@wraith kiln just as a reminder i did 3 more talent liveries
wraith kiln
Yh they're the next in line to get coded.
ocean roost
Hehe, okay 😄
stable sphinx
https://twitter.com/todaysrailways1/status/1658742855584677889?s=46&t=VF3v-gB9sW...
are these the things dsb are getting too?
stray nova
Ye
ocean roost
is the color okay?
pls ignore the missing details, i just wanna know, if it looks okay
im referencing on this pic
wraith kiln
then it should be 1/8 longer i guess.
ocean roost
well..., i cant do that tho...
wraith kiln
shall i enlarge it or do you want some guidance?
ocean roost
If there is a tool, sure, i would be happy to do it by myself
wraith kiln
Allright, just lemme know if something is unclear, i'll do it in german then.
so first, OpenTTD-trains are measured in 8th's. this means, you can't just go ahead and make it as long as you want. To make it worse: GoRender doesn't exactly convert vx->px.
No worries, attached table will help. Just remember: Trains ALWAYS have to match exactly one of the vx-lengths in the table. We try to stick to a scale of 10vx = 1 Meter. If you do smth, rather make it bigger than smaller.
So the standard Schürzenwagen are 214vx (or 208pixel ingame or 13/8 tile lenght) - next step would be 14/8 lenght. This measuers as 230 vx.
Size of the actual voxel is in the upper right: Lenght, width (always 42vx!), height (doesn't matter that much).
just go there an make it 230 vx in lenght.
should look like this now.
switch to "Orth"-mode to have plain sideview and center it next:
center view is the icon 2 left of "orth" - that circle with an arrow.
if you got that down, switch to "Marquee select" - Hotkey: M. Now you can select a bunch of voxels. I'd suggest splitting the train somewhere "plain", so you don't have to redraw details.
did i like this:
stray nova
I use box select because that can be used for more precise movement
wraith kiln
on the right side there is an edit-Menu with quite a bunch of handy options. Pick "loop" to move your selection around the given axis. In this case: X-Axis.
Move both parts to the ends.
Franken-Schürze! Now, we need to fill up that stuff in between.
With the marked icon you can select a "face". This means, you'll extend/erase/paint all that is connected with the same colour.
like this. on Windows, ALT+Leftclick let's you pick up the color, btw. Now just extend until it's full.
Ta-Daa! you may now start with details
ocean roost
do you took it into the cloud? I would like to try to copy that coach by myself
wraith kiln
no, sorry i didn't save it.
ocean roost
its okay, then´ve to do it by myself x)
wraith kiln
442 Cantus done, new fridge car done.
ocean roost
uiiii 🙂
stray nova
@ocean roost @wraith kiln do we have a euro runner done?
I like ALEX quite a bit
Having that would be cool
wraith kiln
nope, no Eurorunner
stray nova
Right ok what dining cars can people think of that we need
I have some DR ones done if your willing to add them to standard GETS
But yeah
stray nova
You can do these
ocean roost
WRmz
stray nova
Like I said vagonweb is shit
ocean roost
there are tons of coaches
the ARkimbz, you can do it as a InterRegio, InterCity and even a Flixtrain livery
there is even a new one
wraith kiln
how about these? (not complete)
stray nova
This should be easy
ocean roost
@wraith kiln Ty so much for that easy tutorial ❤️
wraith kiln
Nice!
ocean roost
aaaand only, if u have time
how can i copy one side of the coach, to mirror it on the opposite side?
stray nova
Select it using the brush select and go to the right hand side panel and click on mirror Y
You can also just click on mirror Y and it will mirror the whole Coach down the centre line
You can use any selection tool but it’s better to use brush since you can find tune it more
ocean roost
oooooh TY!
wraith kiln
tryx putting a few other gold-tones on it.
ocean roost
like this?
wraith kiln
exactly what i ment. Looks really good!
desert python
Yep, nice work!
May be to much shades of gold (not bad, just takes more time to do).
Hm... Maybe make it 1/8 longer? Looks a bit short to me.
wraith kiln
Really good work👍
ocean roost
Wine red dining coach is also done
okay, almost done
okay now, it should be done tho
The windows are a bit tricky, but i hope we can live with some compromises
ocean roost
Pop-Schürze
ocean roost
the last schürze is done
wraith kiln
looks excellent to me!
ocean roost
I think so as well 🙂
wraith kiln
also, red one is fine - nothing too much compromise
ocean roost
its always exciting to see them in the OTTD scale ^^
wraith kiln
yh, it's the moment your boxy, ugly stuff really comes to live. like that one, too :D
desert python
looks excellent to me!
Roof stuff is wrong...
Vents are above kitchen part and none over restaurant area.
ocean roost
I'll change it, when im.home
desert python
you can change it on one and copy it to others
ocean roost
i can? oO
desert python
i can? oO
I always do that! Use box or other selection tool, press ctrl+c and swap model. Press ctrl+v and volia! Another neat thing is that if you don't unselect what you've copied you mae eraise everything except it with ease
ocean roost
ayo i updated the roofs of the coaches
ocean roost
i was bored
ocean roost
new 101 livery
desert python
Brain Charter... Sounds like a disease.
Well... It's train charter...
But with that font train = brain
ocean roost
oh true 😂
wraith kiln
Mostly enjoying the good weather :)
didn't do that much, more fridges and Simo333's Eanos-x got coded:
ocean roost
Aye okay 😛
stray nova
Mostly enjoying the good weather :)
didn't do that much, more fridges and Simo3...
Yeah it’s been too good to stay inside and make odd little cube models
ocean roost
I dont get any sunshine, because i mostly work too long :/
desert python
Good to know you all are doing great! Me? Well, had a rough week... Grandfather died and relatives kinda loose their minds...
nocturne wyvern
I am sorry for your loss
ocean roost
Good to know you all are doing great! Me? Well, had a rough week... Grandfather ...
Im so sorry, my Sympathies.... i hope you doing well through those hard times...
wraith kiln
I am sorry Simo333. Hope your doing okay.
desert python
Thanks! Now I am... Not sure when I'll get back to voxels though...
wraith kiln
There is a Million things that are way more important than train game.
desert python
There is a Million things that are way more important than train game.
I know a couple, what's other 999 thousand? 🤣
wraith kiln
Well, despite the splendid weather im sacrificing a lot of time for music stuff atm....
ocean roost
There is a Million things that are way more important than train game.
True, my garden and balcony at example .-.
ocean roost
There is a Million things that are way more important than train game.
Its like model railways i guess, when its getting colder, you are spending a lot more time with it
wraith kiln
Its not only the weather, irs also That ive got other hobbies, which can be quite time consuming. And sadly free time is a very scarce reasource
ocean roost
Thats true ^^
desert python
Good luck making loaded for that one!
desert python
wraith kiln
Ah, thats the one that tilts when loaded?
wraith kiln
I'll need your help with this one. These fridges were used as beerwagons, too. I'd like some commercials, so why dont you throw your favourite german beer at me?
stray nova
Erdinger has to be one
ocean roost
Tucher
outer saddle
I'll need your help with this one. These fridges were used as beerwagons, too. I...
i think the whole beerwagonbthing was moslty a thing by modeltrain manufacturers.. why ythe hell would you need reefers to transport bottled beer.
but a warsteinerone would be good with the loco and container wynd made
stray nova
That’s all well and good but this could massively add to the amount of Eyecandy wagons
Also what the fuck did I draw that was beer related?
wraith kiln
Guess he's talking about the Warsteiner G2000 and the matching Container.
stray nova
Did I make that ?
I still wanna do a Heineken one
Just to annoy the Dutch people lmao
wraith kiln
Do it.
stray nova
Lmao ok
outer saddle
stray nova
Cool
wraith kiln
Still WIP:
ocean roost
Oooooh 😮
wraith kiln
Perfect!😍
ocean roost
Still WIP:
Are u also drawing o/b? Or can i do it?
wraith kiln
Sry thats already done
wraith kiln
Someone's on fire, i like!
ocean roost
Sry thats already done
Okay ^^
outer saddle
nice Shimmns
desert python
Both Slps and Shimmns are on drive.
don't have any power to make more paintschemes...
next one probably will be trapaulin versinos
wraith kiln
don't have any power to make more paintschemes...
I know someone (cough, @ocean roost, cough) who really likes to do colour schemes ;)
ocean roost
hehe 😛 shoudnt be a problem 🙂 Also international Liveries, or just german ones?
wraith kiln
Guess it'll be better to focus on German ones first.
ocean roost
okay
wraith kiln
But anything european would fit i guess.
ocean roost
so i´ll do those ones, when i´ve enough time
desert python
side note: trapaulin you've sent are different models
wraith kiln
@desert python do you want to Do the 6-axle ones or shall i?
desert python
shouldn't be hard to apply trapaulin from Rils to Shimmns though...
desert python
<@315454037682028544> do you want to Do the 6-axle ones or shall i?
I'm not sure what I want from my life anymore, and you're asking if I do 6-axle? Of course I can!.. Not sure when though.
ocean roost
I´ll just do the liveries :x
wraith kiln
I'm not sure what I want from my life anymore, and you're asking if I do 6-axle?...
This reads rather desperate. Do you have anyone around who you can speak with?
desert python
Just having a most rough time in my life... And noone except parents around whom I can speak to... And that's a part of a problem.
Sorry if I sound bad or offensive... Not in my intentions.
wraith kiln
Nah everything is fine. We all have shit times :)
ocean roost
Just having a most rough time in my life... And noone except parents around whom...
You know, i´ve had also rough times and hard decisions in my life... i was also in a similar situation like yours i guess. In my case, it helped to write to a random stranger. he doesnt even have to reply much, but for me it was important, that he listened to me. Maybe you can find someone! You´ll get through that shit! ^^
desert python
You know, i´ve had also rough times and hard decisions in my life... i was also ...
Doubt that's your situation was as complex and bad as mine, but anyway point taken. Garlic already offeret to listen.
Thanks!
ocean roost
Ofc, i cant compare your current situation with mine´s. that wasnt my intention ^^'
im just quiet now ^^'
wraith kiln
Something rather positive: More coded stuff:
ocean roost
looking really good ^^
wraith kiln
guess this is kinda ready for a release now, right?
desert python
ocean roost
guess this is kinda ready for a release now, right?
hmmm
There is still little space at the schienenbusses
Schienenbusse*
Maybe this one can be added
When its done
wraith kiln
When its done
When it's done I'll put it in :)
ocean roost
Süd-Thüringen-Bahn Shuttle is almost done
i´ll also do the Erfurter Bahn Shuttle directly after that
wraith kiln
After that one, please let me check how much we have first. I'd like to avoid having too many of them ;)
ocean roost
after that?
wraith kiln
Yh that should really be the last one.
Combined with the others we then have 12 different liveries. I'm quite sure that's more than enough:)
ocean roost
For those who are able to draw Steam locos: The Br 23 would be a good addition tho ^^
desert python
For those who are able to draw Steam locos: The Br 23 would be a good addition t...
Which one?
Wartime prototypes or 50's series?
desert python
Hm... If BR 50 is done - shouldn't be hard to convert.
ocean roost
Maybe, there can be a "Theme" for the next update: "Neubau-Dampfloks" with the Br 10, 23, 65, 66 and 82
wraith kiln
well, teh "theme" for next update is restaurant coaches, isn't it?
wraith kiln
Regioshuttle's in, ET 87 in, released on Bananas (had a day off today):
ocean roost
I do a reddit post, about the update
wraith kiln
So we're gonna start with Restaurant Cars now, right?
Shall they only impact running cost or should i add something for cargo ageing, too?
wraith kiln
guess you're right. If it sucks i can still delete it :)
And: I never forgot about all those - they'll get coded quite soon :)
so cargo_age_period is default at 185. i'd increase that by 25% if a restaurant car is attached. Any other opinions?
desert python
Restaurants nullify running cost of other coaches but have a high running cost themselves
wraith kiln
Like twice?
ocean roost
Yup, should be okay, Dining cars uses also a lot more power than passenger cars (passenger cars 18V and dining cars 90 V)
desert python
Like twice?
Balance that to break even with 4-6 wagons.
wraith kiln
so cargo_age_period is default at 185. i'd increase that by 25% if a restaurant ...
works fairly well at lower speeds:
desert python
works fairly well at lower speeds:
What train length are you testing?
Also, do you add restaurant or replace a coach with it?
wraith kiln
4 coaches vs. 4 coaches + restaurant
wraith kiln
More data - seems to have a rather linear impact over all distances/speeds:
desert python
That's not likely it will be in game.
Train length is usually a limiting factor, so try 4+1 vs 5 (or better give a tile-limit for a train).
wraith kiln
i tried again with a different factor for cargo aging. And this seems to have a rather low effect at all
desert python
Same goes to distance vs time.
Cargo decay effects are offsets and are more noticeable on time-consuming travels.
wraith kiln
Factor up by 50 raises income by only 400ish
desert python
You may not notice anything of travel is too short or too long time vise
desert python
Factor up by 50 raises income by only 400ish
Use 90km train over 1000 tiles
wraith kiln
why 90km/h?
desert python
That's how it works
wraith kiln
would be more logical to me to use a higher speed, since the Restaurants go into express trains
desert python
Cargo aging is noticable if your cargo spoils completely
In your tests passengers a "fresh" all time
They didn't have time to "spoil"))
If you don't like 90 km - use 60! Why not?)
wraith kiln
cause 90/60km/h is not the use-case
desert python
It is for a feature you applying)
Otherwise - replace restaurant with coach
It will give you more money
wraith kiln
okay, new test: 1000 Tiles distance. i'll try again 120,150,200km/h
after that i'll add 90
desert python
We did a lot of test fo xUSSRset few years back when were implementing cargo aging for different coach classes and with speeds over 120 km/h you need 800-1000 tiles long fully loaded trains to have any significant difference...
wraith kiln
first run at 200 shows 99k /w Restaurant, 72k without
desert python
Keep in mind you need excessive amounts of passengers waiting at stations without transfers to make it as accurate as possible
desert python
first run at 200 shows 99k /w Restaurant, 72k without
4+1 vs 5 or 4+1 vs 4?
wraith kiln
4+1 vs 4
desert python
Try vs 5 as well
I bet it will give more money than 4+1
Well, according to your run... Should be aroun 90k
wraith kiln
at 120km/h its 74k vs. 39k
desert python
at 120km/h its 74k vs. 39k
Now that's spoiled passengers
wraith kiln
Okay, so after all, Running Cost is the main influence a Restaurant Car has, and Cargo aging is that neat little sideeffect for the ones with 16*8k Maps :)
desert python
Cargo aging is bad as it's pretty unpredictable, have low impact on short time vise travels and may screw up with other sets (if any uses different values, looking at yiu, SSB set!).
wraith kiln
screwing up with SBB Set is not my biggest fear. Both don't really match concerning the scale.
desert python
It was in one JGR online game where anyone who used SSB wagons had drastically lowered income, because cargo in those insta-spoil.
wraith kiln
neat :D
So, do we need cargo aging as a factor? or is it wasted energy for little to no outcome?
desert python
Literally train with 0.6 of capacity and lower speed had x2 income yearly
wraith kiln
oh damnit :D
desert python
So, do we need cargo aging as a factor? or is it wasted energy for little to no ...
We did implement it after all... But it's more of a gimmick.
wraith kiln
allright, than i'd leave it at 1,25 default.
desert python
In most cases using one more coach instead of restaurants will be better.
wraith kiln
not if you want shiny red trains:
desert python
allright, than i'd leave it at 1,25 default.
If you feel fancy - make a parameter for it.
desert python
not if you want shiny red trains:
Eyecandy is a completely other reason and it's enough to justify adding restaurants even if they make you lose money
wraith kiln
they'll definetly be in, that's for sure. i'll calculate running cost 3,5the matching coach. That should keep the barrier of "i need restaurant" quite low.
Cargo aging will be 1,25default - for now. If all of that turns out to be bad decisions: Code can always be changed :)
desert python
I'd say add more, balance later! 🤣
I should have a lot of restaurants models btw...
wraith kiln
I'd say add more, balance later! 🤣
that's the spirit! :D
wraith kiln
I should have a lot of restaurants models btw...
pictures always appreciated. It'll be the same shit as always: Good sources for everything old, shitty sources for more modern stuff...
desert python
Do we have any 60's Reingold stuff?
wraith kiln
not (yet)
desert python
Anyone planning to do it?
wraith kiln
not as far as i know
desert python
Have 2 types of restaurants, 2 paintschemes of dome cars and all other wagons...
I.e. 2.5 full sets of Reingold of 60's and repainted TEE ones.
Will take a picture of those later... And probably make a models.
wraith kiln
well, that'll be another highlight of the set itself :)
whole root
On Reddit u/Zwangsbremse made a post about yesterday's update and in the comments I asked how to contact the developers of GETS. He told me about something in the developing section of this server, not sure if he meant this or if I miss something, but I guess you read my critic here.
First, your project is great and I would like to help you somehow. I have basic coding skills, but have never tried to do anything with openTTD. 6also don't know how to do visual arts. But what I do have is a lot of knowledge and I also work for DB. That's why I would like to be part of your team, to support you.
One thing that really annoys me when playing long games with GETS are the expiring dates. The BR120 never expires, while the BR101 has a limited lifespan. However, in real life the BR120 is already retired and the BR101 still has a few years to go. I guess you already have German train enthusiasts in your team, so I wonder how mistakes like this can happen.
It would be nice of you patch this and keep going on with the GETS project. It is great!
desert python
On Reddit u/Zwangsbremse made a post about yesterday's update and in the comment...
Hello!
Yes, that's where it is!
Garlic is one who code here and if you willing to help - ask him.
If you want to try to make graphics - it isn't that hard. MagicaVoxel is a tool used here and it's very easy to learn. If you'll have any questions with it - ask me.
BR 120 was one of first locos to be coded and had lifetime of 255 years until recently 🤣. It's not related to enthusiasm, more to lack of testing and feedback. It may still have some issues. Thanks for noting!
wraith kiln
On Reddit u/Zwangsbremse made a post about yesterday's update and in the comment...
Hi There,
yes, critics are read and answered over here - so thanks for that and all the praise :)
Concerning the code-base, NML (the language, gets is written in) isn't that much complicated. The code is split up and quite easy to maintain. Have a look at the Github: https://github.com/GarlicBread42/GETS
For the train-knowledge, help is always welcome. I've got a good chunk of sources for older stuff, Wikipedia and the "Obermayer" as well as "Carstens" provide good technical data. What all of them do not cover to a full extent is that modern stuff - so if you're fine with it, there will be some questions.
For the expiring date: I try to match the vehicle life with the date of "Ausmusterung" - going out of service - in case it is a short-living one. For the longer ones i just take 40 years. Model life (the timespan, how long the vehicle is available in buy menu) is quite complicated to calculate and even harder to test. I do know that this isn't optimal at the moment, but i honestly didn't care too much for this issue. Guess it's slowly time to change that one.
whole root
Okay, I will take a look at the code and the graphics tool soon. And when I have something that should be changed, I suggest it on Github, right?
wraith kiln
Either that or over here :)
stable sphinx
Okay, I will take a look at the code and the graphics tool soon. And when I have...
Might i also suggest turning off vehicles going obsolete, i know this wouldn’t fix any inaccuracies with GETS but it would remedy the availability
whole root
Yes, that's what I did.
quaint stump
Hello. I am glad to hear that GETS has been updated. What wagons and MUs were added? I should work again on my GETS cargo age period fix. Thanks!
I have found ICE-L and 100km/h refrigerated van.
stray nova
this is all thats added
ALEX, Flixtrain, Redone Dosto's, ICE-L, New Loco's
bunch of stuff
quaint stump
Thanks!
whole root
I started a game with GETS in 1925 a few days ago and I have an idea that I also had before, but the update made it more important.
I have no idea if this can be implemented, but certain trains should be limited in number. Right now I unlocked the E19, one of my favourite trains, and it has potential to kill the variety. It is the fastest and one of the most powerful locomotives you have in 1939 and to be econimical it would be the smartest to replace every locomotive with the E19. When I started playing GETS a few months ago, in that time period I bought a lot Henschel-Wegmann-Züge because once you unlock the E03, there are no waggons that would allow the E03 to reach it's 200km/h top speed and the Henschel-Wegmann-Zug is the fastest you can get. (I actually don't know what they have done in real life. I guess they had special permissions for some Avmz or similar)
Having prototype vehicles only aviable in a small number would make them special, just like it was in real life. Also you would need to carefully choose where to use them in your network. Yes, it is just a game and in the base version you upgrade all trains once you have a new one. But in my opinion this could be a very interestening feature.
What do you think about the topic?
desert python
That would be interesting, if OpenTTD supported such limits.
wraith kiln
Concerning the topspeed: Until 1977 the whole DB-Network was capped at 160km/h. Even E03 wasnt allowed to go faster. Until the early 60s top speed was even lower with a max of 140. Rheingold stock had a special allowance to go 160.
Concerning your idea: nice idea in general, but not possible like Simo333 mentioned as the game doesn't have a mechanic to count vehicle-IDs on the map. Generally speaking there is a million ways to play that game and I don't want to implement features that'll limit other players too much:)
whole root
Okay, so the people who want it more realistic need to count them by themself. And while it is true that we had a limit of 140km/h for a long time, the E03 was going regularely 200km/h in 1965. It was just a small section between München and Augsburg where Siemens tested the LZB signaling system, but it is worth mentioning.
desert python
lol, forgot lights...
hm... is it intentional smoke in front?
I guess noone tested E19 as well...
183 in DB livery 1t lighter than others...
stable sphinx
hm... is it intentional smoke in front?
Wtf is this 
stray nova
very cool
stray nova
Okay, so the people who want it more realistic need to count them by themself. A...
yes but the issue still lies in the fact you would have to limit other players experience; as a wild chris once said "If you're gonna pull a gadgy, at least don't confuse the uninitiated"
this would only serve to add confusion to what some people find an already complex set
stable sphinx
Wtf is this <:kek:880946812503068712>
I meant this literally, what steam train is this with so many windows, it wasn’t a criticism of your work
wraith kiln
I guess noone tested E19 as well...
Thanks for the Bugs, i'll clean them tonight.
KPEV Altona 561, some cab forward fast steam Prototype thingy. https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preußische_S_9_Altona_561_und_Altona_562
whole root
Could have been a prototype for the BR05 003.
desert python
Could have been a prototype for the BR05 003.
Doubt so.
Altona was made by Henschel and 05-003 was made by Borsig.
wraith kiln
hm... is it intentional smoke in front?
completely misunderstood you this morning. The Smoke is intended to be at the front, that's where the exhaust is.
E19 is fixed - sorry for screwing that one up.🙈
desert python
completely misunderstood you this morning. The Smoke is intended to be at the fr...
I still believe you may want to move smoke back... It appears in front of loco, not above it. And there are two spawns. Haven't seen second exhaust on train.
wraith kiln
which one do you like better?
wraith kiln
I still believe you may want to move smoke back... It appears in front of loco, ...
done :)
desert python
First, but move that gap to the right. It's too noticeable ib the center of wagon
Totally missed it. 🤣
wraith kiln
this way?
ocean roost
i found a bug.... I cant couple different 420 units, only the ones in the same livery
lol
i cant couple the 420 units in general
wraith kiln
i found a bug.... I cant couple different 420 units, only the ones in the same l...
thanks, that one is solved.
wraith kiln
So the dining may begin. Still coding my way through the existing express coaches, progress is slow but its there.
stray nova
Did I give you the DR coaches yet?
wraith kiln
Not sure if theyre on the drive
stray nova
They should be
wraith kiln
Real Quick check, as I'm leaving for rehearsals: can't find them. Either they're not there or I'm blind. (Latter is well possible...)
stray nova
Yeah nah ignore me I’m a dipshit
desert python
I believe you post them here
desert python
i still have all these
Or you mean others?
stray nova
Nah this is something else
ocean roost
So the dining may begin. Still coding my way through the existing express coache...
Looking already damn good :3
desert python
152 + 189 fix (noone noticed that side of roof was unfinished)
wraith kiln
152? that's a new one, right?
wraith kiln
lookin' damn good!
desert python
wraith kiln
love the zebra-look again. kinda sad, i don't see them around at home.
Done another Dining car:
but now: bed time :)
desert python
but now: bed time :)
same, good night!
wraith kiln
Good night!
stable sphinx
Have you guys done that 30s DMU yet?
wraith kiln
Which of the many dmus do you mean?
desert python
Probably any SVT 137...
Numbering of pre-war DMUs is non existent
All are (S)VT 135-137
violet python
Is The Desiro HC Also planned?
stray nova
Yes
desert python
My current plans are BR102, BR128 and Henschel E1200.
stable sphinx
Probably any SVT 137...
That's the one
stable sphinx
Which of the many dmus do you mean?
I didn't think there'd be many
I'm just curious how it looks both in extra zoom and standard
It's very similar to something i plan to make myself, as Denmark basically operated a version of it or something similar
desert python
I'm just curious how it looks both in extra zoom and standard
There is one SVT137, you may look for it or ET11 based o on it.
stray nova
Do do the Danish set in the same sprite scale of GETS
Sinas Said he wanted to do a EZ Dutch one in the same scale
stable sphinx
Do do the Danish set in the same sprite scale of GETS
I doubt it
Mine isn't EZ either
I'm just curious
stable sphinx
Ooo it looks neat
stable sphinx
I doubt it
I'm using the SBB set as a basis for the vehicle height and treating 7/8 as 15m
However after 10/8 theres some compression and 12/8 will be the longest vehicle
This is mostly so it doesn't look too alien alongside other sets
ocean roost
@stray nova i hope you are not mad, when i take your ARmz217 and draw some liveries out of it 🙂
stray nova
I don’t remember what that was send screenshots
Yeah it’s fine
I might have something planned tho
ocean roost
this one
desert python
Kakadu
stray nova
Yeah that’s fine
wraith kiln
short update:
Br 152 done, Schürzenwagen Dining Car, Simo333's Eaos and a new Prussian Teapot.
next in the line of dining coaches would be the Kakadu. @ocean roost: Would you mind notifying me, when it's done?
ocean roost
yes, i'll, but im a little stressed with work atm, At sunday, i should be done. I only do the ARmz217 as IC-livery
stray nova
ill also dump these here
wraith kiln
yes, i'll, but im a little stressed with work atm, At sunday, i should be done. ...
ah nice, i'll do the other colors then
ocean roost
Okay! ^^
wraith kiln
+no pressure please. i'll be doing other stuff until Sunday evening, too.
stray nova
thanks
ocean roost
Which type are the 2 Steamlocos?
wraith kiln
Which type are the 2 Steamlocos?
Prussian G5.4
desert python
outer saddle
ow cool the horror thing
violet python
Jo The BOB intergal Trains Nice work
They Drive on the S28 From Wuppertal to Kaarster See
wraith kiln
desert python
52?
wraith kiln
yh
desert python
That one have some variations!
4 different tenders, some different boilers, deflectors...
wraith kiln
whats the 4th? I know Wannentender, Steifrahmen and the Kondenstender.
these are the ones i know of
full otter
This thing? Though is is apparently a 50 not a 52
wraith kiln
afaik they've only had them with the 50s
desert python
This thing? Though is is apparently a 50 not a 52
are they? I belive I saw 52 with one of those...
wannentender with kabin
at least 5 models have cabin tender...
there is even more on modellbau wiki
ocean roost
Hold up!
Baureihe 52 and 052 are not the same
the 052 is form of the Br 50, and after 1968, where they got their Computer Numbers, they got the Br 050, 051, 052 and 053
is a form*
And Btw... there is also the Br 42
and then there is the Br 41, who got in 1960 numbers as 041, 042 and 043 and 044
1968*
ocean roost
aye xD
But just hold on:
Br 41 (041, 042)
Br 44 (043, 044
Br 42 ( didnt got an EDV-Number)
Br 43 (DRG and only DR)
Br 45 (didnt got an EDV-Number)
Br 50 (050, 051, 052, 053)
Br 52 (didnt got an EDV-Number, but the DR operate them till the 80s)
Br53: Various Länderbahn Locos
Br 53 0001 (Complete different shit)
desert python
But is this 53?
ocean roost
the "other" 53 in comparison
desert python
Oh, wait... It's same but with condensation tender...
I have one!
ocean roost
Yes
And the 53 0001 only was a mysterious Prototype
But yeah, the 40s and 50s numbers are a pretty mess, because then 70s made them worse
the*
And im missing the 39 tho, such an important loco in the 30s till 50s
ocean roost
hmm
ocean roost
but also with this livery inspired
wraith kiln
Small Coding update:
Added Eurosprinter, Integral and (new) BR 189 + UIC-X Half-Restaurant Cars.
now the Dining Cars get kind of complicated and i could need some help.
This is what I've got so far:
Arm 216/ UIC-X Half-Restaurant is introduced 1954. thats the one, which is drawn.
1962: "Rheingold-Buckelspeisewagen" -> this is clear.
1964 is WR4ümh-64/Wrmh-132, looks like this:
I've found this one as DSG, as DB in plain red, TEE-colors, popfarben, oceanblue and "old" IC-colors.
Also: "DB Fernverkehr" - white ones with only red window ribbon.
does anyone know if they got recolourd/Rebuilt into smth else?
After this, there is 1966 "Arm 217"-> Kakadu's with straight roof, the ones wyndbain did. They've been in blue/red and TEE-colors.
I'm not sure, if they've been rebuilt, but i think not -> please enlighten me :)
After all, i'm missing the Interregio-Bistros and white IC Bord-Bistros. They seem smth different.
these
wraith kiln
i know they've been done. I'm trying to put them together in some kind of accurate and useful way from both gameplay + "reality" aspects
stray nova
oh right haha
well
just spit balling here but since these bistros are kinda worse than full bord restraunt cars they should only have a 50% decrease in running costs rather than 75%
wraith kiln
good idea :)
long frost
Small Coding update:
Added Eurosprinter, Integral and (new) BR 189 + UIC-X Half...
Will you make the 3-part Eurosprinter as well?
wraith kiln
3-part Eurosprinter?
wraith kiln
ah gotcha, that one :)
wraith kiln
Regiosprinter
possible, but not today, not yet tommorrow, i guess :)
Back to Dining Cars - this is what i've go so far. I'd appreciate if you could take a look into it. Am i missing something?
(green= in game, grey=planned, orange=sprites done, but not coded)
desert python
possible, but not today, not yet tommorrow, i guess :)
Sure?
wraith kiln
my perspective. i'm not in the position to speak for other people ;)
ocean roost
Back to Dining Cars - this is what i've go so far. I'd appreciate if you could t...
When you have the Apfelpfeil, maybe you could also add the TUi-Express as well
ocean roost
these
i dunno, who was a fan of flixtrain... BUUUT the Master Coach of the Flix Train, Coach 100, is a modified ARkimbz
And, you forgot the ARkimbz of the Berlin-Warsaw-Express
and this is the ARkimbz in the Nachtzug-Livery
And here the BWE one
stray nova
And, you forgot the ARkimbz of the Berlin-Warsaw-Express
ive made this
wraith kiln
i dunno, who was a fan of flixtrain... BUUUT the Master Coach of the Flix Train,...
Thanks, that's the infos I were looking for :)
wraith kiln
When you have the Apfelpfeil, maybe you could also add the TUi-Express as well
TUI was Liegewagen, correct?
ocean roost
TUI was Liegewagen, correct?
Yes
and the dining car was calles "Treffpunkt" and was quite visible in the train park
Here is an example
it was a WGtmh
wraith kiln
puh, where would that fit in the given types?
regarding the straight roof + the windows, i'd put that into Arm 217. Otherwise it would kinda fit into WRtm... idk yet
updated rooster. that's very full.
ocean roost
Aaah, maybe, its also time for modern post coaches now
And you could also add the half baggage and baggage cars i drawn earlier
ocean roost
puh, where would that fit in the given types?
WGMs are "Gesellschaftswagen"
wraith kiln
Aaah, maybe, its also time for modern post coaches now
much needed, but i'd put all that jazz behind the dining cars. get that one done, that move on.
wraith kiln
sounds like "special passenger coaches"
ocean roost
yup
wraith kiln
special passenger coaches != dining coaches i guess. So, not relevant for above table.
wraith kiln
Another Song from the Future, i guess.
ocean roost
aye
Then i would draw the Deutsche Weinstraße
Rollende Weinstraße*
an d that could be a topic for the next ones as well x)
wraith kiln
i remember having that Kombiverkehr Book lying aroudn somewhere....
ocean roost
btw new livery for the dostos
wraith kiln
did they buy that from a primary school?
ocean roost
ideenzug of the südostbayernbahn
stray nova
i can do that
stray nova
its an attempt
wraith kiln
That was fast
stray nova
not really
oh well maybe
uploaded now if someone wants to test it in gorender
i have no idea how the mountains will look
stray nova
yeah sure why not
its a decent addition
looks ok
use the ones on the drive they are updated and have correct first class areas
wraith kiln
done, new file uploading to the drive.
stray nova
not bad, not bad at all.
gawh damn looks way better than i thought
@desert python are u gonna get the twindexx done any time soon?
gritty condor
desert python
<@315454037682028544> are u gonna get the twindexx done any time soon?
If you want to make it - go on. I haven't started anything on it yet.
wraith kiln
White or beige lettering?
acoustic lion
Not sure which is more accurate, but the beige looks much better imo
outer saddle
beige
desert python
Beige, maybe 1 shade brighter?
wraith kiln
1 brighter ain't possible, it's already the most bright beige :)
desert python
There is always yellow!
wraith kiln
Side Window looks Good. Area around the Buffers must be wider.
Front window is too low.
And after all you're doing much better than all my previous attempts :D
stray nova
u think front is too low?
if anything i think its too high
redone the area around the buffers
wraith kiln
Not dure if it'll work, but I'd try to fill the blue line and move up the grey by one.
Sorry im on mobile:D
desert python
Can I take a look at latest version?
stray nova
rekon that looks alright
stray nova
stray nova
i won't do it for a while but if u want the sprites are all here too be modified
should be reasonably easy
ocean roost
aye
desert python
I'd like to try some changes to front of Twindexx... Looks a bit wider than should.
stray nova
most updated versions are now on the Gdrive
stray nova
I'd like to try some changes to front of Twindexx... Looks a bit wider than shou...
go ahead
desert python
In few minutes. Still from phone
stray nova
arent these italian?
desert python
Welp, Twindexx head powered wagons are shorter than all others...
nocturne wyvern
arent these italian?
I didnt expect you to say this
stray nova
nocturne wyvern
this is something diffrent
nocturne wyvern
this was the original before nose rebiuld
stray nova
I'm aware
ocean roost
The 624 was the Predecessor of the 614
They also could share the coaches of eachother and got coupled together
nocturne wyvern
the later the rebuild, the flatter the train
stray nova
