GETS German Extra-Zoom Trains DevZone

[gritty condor]

This should be a bomardier dosto 07, not as a MU if i understood this correctly. But im not sure, wether this is an actual picture.

[mortal bobcat]

dosto is same as stadler kiss tho

pee train is funny

[gritty condor]

Don't believe me please. As i told you im an absolute newbie. I checked the source of this picture and this i a
fictive one from a game 😂

[mortal bobcat]

lol

[gritty condor]

In case anyone is interested: ODEG seems to use Siemens Desiro HC as bi-level as well.

[nocturne wyvern]

If only it was

[mortal bobcat]

The kiss is called dosto in Sweden

[nocturne wyvern]

But you see

Dosto is a namr given by the swedes to stadler kiss

Bombardier dosto's are actual coaches

Theyre not the same

[mortal bobcat]

It was known as dosto in development tho

But thx for clearing things up

[nocturne wyvern]

As example, dutch icng, is just an alstom coradia

[mortal bobcat]

What is the class?

[nocturne wyvern]

Class?

[mortal bobcat]

Like tops class 37

Or sj rc

Or Stadler er1

[nocturne wyvern]

31xx icng, 32xx icng-b and 33xx icng-d

[ocean roost]

There were 5 prototypes of the n-Coaches in Oceanblue-beige

Also in green

from SRI in blue

Alex of course as well

Btw, the Citybahn has 2 Special coaches

they had bistro coaches

and also one Luggage coach

TRI, SRI, etc also got tons of liveries for the n-coaches

like this one from gff

another one

[outer saddle]

abellio

https://www.bienenschuss.de/files/2022/03/hagen-abellio_stw_2021-05-31-1536x1024.jpg

not sure if they did a full rake. It used to be on sale at NS for years and now is TRI i think

[ocean roost]

Yes! 2003i think, they got them... but im afraid those coaches were Halberstädter

[outer saddle]

ah yes. I think only the cabcar was a n-coach

ow. i'm confused. this can was a rebuilt halberstads aswell. they used it together with silberlings too.

messy

[stray nova]

Reminds me of the DSB IC5

[wraith kiln]

thanks @ocean roost - that's been good input.

So my list should be kind of complete for the variants?

also for the Bi-Levels

sorry for the weird mix of german and english...

[ocean roost]

Aaaah

Modus Coaches? 😮

And x-Wagen?

[stray nova]

I can get Metronom done if u like

[wraith kiln]

grey= planned to be drawn sometime. Orange= Model present, but not coded yet.

[stray nova]

Love the livery and we have all the stock for it to work

[wraith kiln]

x-Wagen are somewhere else in the table.

[wraith kiln]

i'd love that 🙂

[stray nova]

👍

Plan for today sorted

[desert python]

oh, lol... Now I remember I should have h0 model one...

and control car for it as well...

[ocean roost]

naaah

those are "Mitteleinstiegswagen"

Byl, AByl and so on

like this one

And in ob

[desert python]

I'm pretty sure it was n-wagen... Will see tomorrow.

[ocean roost]

they were used in the 1950s in D-Zügen and later in localtrains

[ocean roost]

Well, it also exists models of green n-Wagen in H0 but only from Lima

[desert python]

Roco also made one

Roco 44955, 44956 if I found those right...

[ocean roost]

In 1:87 or 1:100? i collected H0 cars only in 1:87

[desert python]

not sure, was longer than some, so could be 87

[ocean roost]

Thats interesting... didtn knew that existited

[desert python]

Piko and Marklin likes to make 1:100

[ocean roost]

Roco also does 1:100

märklin 1:93,5

[outer saddle]

1st gen (the flat slanted nose) in mint was DR stock though.

[wraith kiln]

1.Gen=1.Generation DB 😉

[outer saddle]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Bf_Magdeburg_Hbf%2C_DABgbuzf_760.jpg/1200px-Bf_Magdeburg_Hbf%2C_DABgbuzf_760.jpg

these i mean

[wraith kiln]

i know - yet that means "DB Bi-Level - 1.st Generation"

what you show would be DR - Generation X

(at least in my internal documents which are not self-explanatory by any means=

[outer saddle]

arent that flat slanted nose the 1993 ones???

[nocturne wyvern]

you got the IC variant or is that gen 3?

[wraith kiln]

no, they're older afaik

[nocturne wyvern]

there is also the old one with modernised front

[wraith kiln]

Gen 1- 3 as by my knowledge

[wraith kiln]

this is GDR-Stock -> goes in the mythical add-on that will happen somewhere in the 2020's

[desert python]

gen 1.5?

[stray nova]

Now now lest we forget these

[desert python]

Will make a cola paint for that one!

[stray nova]

Flat noses

DBmqe

Coaches are DBmuz

Görlitz 86

DBmue’s are the same but Görlitz 78’s

They are also middle coaches

This is really odd DR stuff

So cool

That’s a 78

You can tell by the windows on the upper deck being slightly recessed

And all openable windows on the lower deck

[ocean roost]

I cant await the DR stock

[stray nova]

Still got a while to go

Loads of DB and west German stuff to do

[wraith kiln]

tons of, yh.

[ocean roost]

cries in modern german emu

[wraith kiln]

but it doesn't neccesarily need to be like "finish GETS completely before doing GDR stuff".

[stray nova]

No but key things are missing

[wraith kiln]

That's the main issue yeah. i wanted to do some flatbeds but i'm stuck with coding.
And sadly work + other hobbies eat up some time, too =/

[stray nova]

What kind?

[wraith kiln]

what what kind?

[stray nova]

If it’s Container flatbeds I can do them

[wraith kiln]

i already started on containers.

more like the "other" ones 😄

[stray nova]

If it’s wood/steel/metal then ehhh

Cars as well

Farming equipment

[wraith kiln]

but i'd honestly prefer to do them on my own. Much like the stake cars i'd like to do them with shared loading sprites, so it won't bloat up the filesize to half a terrabyte.

[stray nova]

I think some Bundeswehr coaches would be kinda cool, shove some leopard 2’s on a flatbed

[wraith kiln]

nope

[stray nova]

Fair

[wraith kiln]

no military stuff, sorry.

[stray nova]

I was going to work on the schienenzepplin

Add some more like goofy stuff into the set

I gave up on that cah it’s a very weird loco

Loco?

What would it be?

Railbus maybe?

Either way

[wraith kiln]

kinda, railbus.

railplane

[stray nova]

Torpedo cars are something I wish to add

[wraith kiln]

steeltownplayer detected

[stray nova]

Simply because they are insanely cool and I like to build massive steel mills

[stray nova]

Nah nah nah

I like large Eyecandy steel mills

Ooooh this one cool

[wraith kiln]

you mean the front one?

[stray nova]

Damn

I’m missing my GETS lore

[desert python]

Slowpoke again?)

[stray nova]

Didn’t realise that was in the set

[desert python]

Yeah, stuff was added at insane rate...

[stray nova]

Haha

[desert python]

easy to miss something

[stray nova]

Maybe a railcrane?

[desert python]

I bet if you ask something again - it'll be there too)

[stray nova]

That’s something that could be cool to have static somewhere

[desert python]

I was thinking of Eaos next

[stray nova]

These are cool

Oh

I have an idea

[wraith kiln]

you did the eaos half a year ago?

[desert python]

that was Eanos

slightly longer

[wraith kiln]

my bad.

[desert python]

I may be wanted to do it

[ocean roost]

🌚

[desert python]

but never made it

[stray nova]

Something like this that’s actually a train

Flogeza made a sprite for it

Never coded

[ocean roost]

btw crazy stuff

[wraith kiln]

have fun^^

[stray nova]

Give me like 3 weeks and I’ll have that done

Such a cool unit

[ocean roost]

what about this? 🌚

[stray nova]

Cursed

Fuck it

[ocean roost]

But would be still funny tho

[stray nova]

Ill do the Metronom livery then the stopfexpress

[ocean roost]

Maybe Rail Infrastructure Trains?

[ocean roost]

I can show you the real cursed stuff 🌚

[desert python]

I'll take 3 hours, If you provide me info!

[stray nova]

I mean

I’ll try and find it

[ocean roost]

this little guy would be also nice

[stray nova]

is the yellow too yellow?

basing of this

[wraith kiln]

i'd take one darker, yh.

[desert python]

maybe another hue (slightly orange)

[stray nova]

this is better

not too bad

re-jigged the logo

[desert python]

I'd make door frame darker, not brighter than base

but base here is dark... dunno how GoRender wll handle it

[stray nova]

ye doing that as we speak lmao

there is one shade darker that i think its gonna like

or at least i hope it does

fully done now affik

loading and DVT next

[ocean roost]

Looks sooo good

i asume, that we also get a Br 146 und a Br 147 in Metronom livery?

[stray nova]

yesh

[ocean roost]

Do you have the full list maybe?

[stray nova]

cab car

[ocean roost]

very nice 🙂

[desert python]

bogies looks different... on purpose?

[stray nova]

haven't changed them from the original vox model that I think garlic drew?

since we don't have a 246 and I don't have the time to draw a modified 245 I'm using the 245 but with a modified livery

similar to this

basically unbranded on the sides

the 146 will be correct tho

[gritty condor]

Uhhhh lovely

[stray nova]

BR245 Metronom Wet Lease

[ocean roost]

🤤

[stray nova]

BR146

[ocean roost]

Thats how the updates livery of the metronom Looks like (Picture from 2 minutes ago)

[stray nova]

just doing the lower cars

for now

[stray nova]

all done now

uploaded

[wraith kiln]

new liveries on (some of) the selfdischargers.

[stray nova]

starting out with the VFW2001 in HF Wiebe livery

212

[stray nova]

getting the front done

anyone who is able to find me a good left & right side on view please send it here

this is pretty decent for the right

but i need info on the left

hmmmm

i think its too big

actually maybe not

no it is

shit

this is better

[stray nova]

progress

[desert python]

Awesome!

[austere berry]

What the what

[stray nova]

its a VFW 2001 track laying machine

[mortal bobcat]

Does it have rubber tires in the front?

[stray nova]

nope

the bit in the middle

had a cat track

[austere berry]

Oh ok

[outer saddle]

the ones which replace both rail and sleepers at once are even cooler.

[stray nova]

aha

but this does

[outer saddle]

yeah it can do too yes. Its a Plasser Theurer UVP 2002

[stray nova]

this is what i mean

[gritty condor]

It's very interesting to see the development.

[desert python]

Hey, wouldn't you mind if I make it a proper 246? 🤔 Some changes to the roof and another paintscheme as well?

[wraith kiln]

Hvle paintscheme for the 246?

[stray nova]

Not at all

Go ahead

[green helm]

Can i download the new versions already anywhere ?

[wraith kiln]

Nope, 0.1.7 ist the current release.

[stray nova]

so i got more info on the roof

one unit has an engine built in so I'm adding that

but the A unit is filled with what is essentially a large conveyer for sleepers

with the rails pre layed, picked up, then placed on sleepers

[green helm]

Ah thx I guessed iam blind xD

[stray nova]

cat tracks

wheels broken

[wraith kiln]

looks even more promising. i like the details 👍

[stray nova]

sleeper workings getting done

[nocturne wyvern]

langere heinrich is 27 tiles

[wraith kiln]

wasted 😄

[desert python]

It wasn't N-wagen after all...

[wraith kiln]

no, these are YL-coaches

[desert python]

I thought I had n-wagen...

[stray nova]

i love YL wagens

sick things

[wraith kiln]

Kaffeeküch-Wagen

[wraith kiln]

And City-Bahn Café

why do we always have alcohol in this? Kaffeküch-Wagen has a beer commercial, City-Bahn has a wineglass....

[desert python]

That's what you GETS if do not service your trains!

[austere berry]

Poun

[outer saddle]

idk... but if all cars have beer ads we need this one too https://www.martijnhaman.nl/afbeeldingen/akoch_foto01_tn2.jpg

[wraith kiln]

Party Express? Capacity at begin of journey: 2000 l of Alcohol. At end of journey: nothing.

[outer saddle]

And didnt our container master do a G2000 aswell (or wanted to make one)?? https://www.allianz-pro-schiene.de/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/warsteiner-art-735.jpg

[outer saddle]

increases pax profit by 500% for that train if fully loaded with alcohol when playing a firs/xis game. 🤣

[wraith kiln]

at least a sufficient gameplay mechanic.

not sure if that would be achievable with GS?

[outer saddle]

idk. doesnt some trainset boost cargo aging or profit by having a certain type of car in the consist? I dont know if you can check for load% in NML. else it seems you nee dcombine those 2 mechanics.

🤣

that car was actually an old DB sleeper converted to buffet car by NS in the 70's and then in the 90's sold to germany, first with veltins and later krombacher ads.

[wraith kiln]

i know they had some of those "Disco Coaches". Quite interesting, might really do them sometime.

But in the meantime: Boring Bwegt n-coaches

[stray nova]

WRmz135 model done cba to do liveries since its literally 330am

[desert python]

WIP

[desert python]

1 hour and 25 minutes...

[desert python]

oh... lol, forgot to turn of mirroring and all flags reversed...

[wraith kiln]

this is a rad one again.

[desert python]

And one more

[desert python]

Fixed a bit.

[stray nova]

imma do those containers rn

[stray nova]

u mind sending the vox over for that?

logo looks really neat wanna copy it for the container lmao

[wraith kiln]

vox should be on the drive

[stray nova]

cheers

WRmz135 Südöstbayernbahn

[stray nova]

WRmz135 IC

[stray nova]

TEE

ARmz217 "Kakadu"

CNL consist

[gritty condor]

[outer saddle]

wow. nicely detailled.

[outer saddle]

No CNL... CNL had white doors and red band not till edge of car.

https://flic.kr/p/nMLjfb

[stray nova]

aint a CNL coach

Nachtzug

[outer saddle]

Db autozug/nachtzug indeed was full long red band.

cnl was dark blue in that era

[stray nova]

yar

[outer saddle]

but the doubledeck sleepers never got autozug livery afaik

[stray nova]

this was like my first big GETS project

Nighjet, NZ, CNL blue

[outer saddle]

afaik it never got NZ livery.

only cnl blue and cnl white/red.

[stray nova]

odd

i thought i did

[outer saddle]

(and obb, but that is out of scope)

[stray nova]

it did

or well this suggests it did

[stray nova]

added nighjet since they run germany routes

[outer saddle]

i meant grey obb livery

intereting. cant find any realphotos of WLABm or WLBm in nachtzug, wonder how many ran that livery and when. they are cool cars

https://flic.kr/p/8BdsQw ahh here is one

CNL Bpm might also be worthwile. they got this weird aircon unit on the roof in middle of car.

cool detailed spec sheet.

[desert python]

Weren't pantographs removed by that time?

[stray nova]

nope

[desert python]

Not only beer it seems...

[stray nova]

Aldi Nord

[ocean roost]

The dining cars and the CNL looks awesome!

[stray nova]

i is been busy recently with DR stuff

not for GETS just because i wanna make some MV scenarios but when we get the DDR stuff done they will be there

[outer saddle]

hmm seem a bit low

but reko wagen are cool

[stray nova]

they are

small short units

[outer saddle]

i mean low the underside of the body seems low compared to ground. I know their total height is low.

[stray nova]

i think it might just be the perspective

[outer saddle]

could be...

soom you will make the eGETS.

Extended GETS aka East GETS

[desert python]

Smol

[wraith kiln]

Reminds me of a v65?

Some MaK shunter?

[desert python]

It is.

1200D

[wraith kiln]

Those lamps are tiny.

[desert python]

tried to make 1 voxel, but they were invisible in render

[wraith kiln]

Still look small enough on the render for me.

[desert python]

1 vox

2x2 is already uploaded anyway)

650 D looks almost same, by the way. Less tanks (fuel or air?) under floor.

600 D have smaller hood covers, side vents on a small hood and lamps are vertically aligned.

600 D on the left and 650 D on the right

[wraith kiln]

guess the next update will not take 4 months till release then 😄

btw, in terms of updates: My plan would be to include ET11 as the last new train. r u fine with that?

[desert python]

Hm... what else will be there? 🤔

Or... better find out when it's done?

[wraith kiln]

This is the new stuff, with wynds Metronom-DVT missing

[outer saddle]

no locon maxima?

a HF wiebe maxima would also go nicely with the track laying thing wynd did

[wraith kiln]

that might come once wynd did finish it.

[desert python]

Speaking of Metronom... I forgot about redoing 246...

[wraith kiln]

theere isn't much than Metronom and Press, right?

[stray nova]

oh yeah

might do that but the VFW2001 is miles away from getting done

[desert python]

HVLE as well

[wraith kiln]

we nearly have all of hvle stock then.

[desert python]

Uploaded both Metronom and HVLE 246

[desert python]

What's left?

[wraith kiln]

Blue Tiger, Maxima 30 and 185 (which is just a livery)

[desert python]

Hm, I don't see any difference between 40CC and 30CC...

And 185 lacks in liveries...

And Blue Tiger was on my plan anyway...
So, be it! All HVLE fleet incoming!

Lol, Marklin again...

[wraith kiln]

thanks, but no thanks^^

[outer saddle]

6 vs 4 axles right?

[desert python]

CC - 6 axles

30 or 40 - engine power

[outer saddle]

oh no, just a different boat engine

[desert python]

Also HVLE

[outer saddle]

V12 vs a V16 boat engine

[desert python]

2-axle MaK shunter ...

[outer saddle]

thats a deutz

production lis tof those shunters: https://www.rangierdiesel.de/index.php?nav=1402617&lang=1

[desert python]

Initially through it was MaK G 320 B...

[outer saddle]

ohh this is a cool one

would go nice with ford branded closed wagons

[desert python]

Especially on a mainline!

[outer saddle]

shunters and industiral loco's are such a pit to fall into. there are soooo many.

especially since the shear amount of german industrial loco builders.

Opel also had cool loco's

[desert python]

Hm... Should all of these be made at later point?

Or few will be enough?

[outer saddle]

lol all is undoable.

somthing like the henschel DHG500 got pretty widespread use

[desert python]

If I keep last year's January tempo this whole year - It will be done...

But more likely I will be dead inside...

[outer saddle]

well good luck https://www.rangierdiesel.de/index.php?nav=1000001&lang=1

maybe try the military loco's first https://www.bundeswehrloks.de/index.php?nav=1406776&lang=1

[stray nova]

VFW2001 A car now mostly done

only head booms need finishing really

they can be done when the tracks are added as I'm not sure how to put em on yet

[wraith kiln]

Concerning this, would it be a good idea to limit it towards "stuff that ran on state rail"?

[desert python]

Or at least got numbering to get there. In that case MaK 1200 D got 265.6.

But I'd like to have some tiny shunters like Ko or similar, just not all of them.

[wraith kiln]

sry, i didn't want it to be read like " i don't want shunters" - they're adorable and should definetly be in.
Just not like 500 of them. 100 will do 😛

[desert python]

Ok!

Add all that 100 to data table so I know what they are!))

[wraith kiln]

yeahhhhhh

if i'm allowed to wish for something it would be this one:

https://www.rangierdiesel.de/index.php?nav=1411940&lang=1&file=alstom_300004_56&action=image&position=1

[desert python]

Looks like a good challenge!

[nocturne wyvern]

is this the next gen shunter

replacing all the v60's?

[wraith kiln]

one of them, yeah.

it's an Alstom Prima H3, 2013 Hybrid shunter

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom_Prima_H3

[wraith kiln]

Airport Express?

[outer saddle]

I've seen in another discord too. guess its photoshop

although it also got a lufthansa flight number

[wraith kiln]

yh, a bunch of drunk idiots missing in that picture.

[gritty condor]

With partyhats.

[nocturne wyvern]

burger king crown

[stray nova]

affik this was a promotional thing for stuttgart airport

because lmao i dont think ICE's make it all the way to curitiba brazil

[desert python]

Why Lufthansa have a domestic flight in Brazil?

[stray nova]

they have a partnership with LATAM brazil

[outer saddle]

this is an older flight. of 2021

[stray nova]

so they do fly to sao paulo

[outer saddle]

so the number can be recycled now for a train

[stray nova]

if you want to do Frankfurt to curitiba

you change onto a latam flight in sao paulo

it has a lufthansa number for easier ticketing

[outer saddle]

code sharing is pretty major airlines feeder flights often have like 10 flight numbers

[stray nova]

like yeah London - Edinburgh is flown by BA but shown as QTR, EMR, DLH, SAS a bunch more

[desert python]

We do have code sharing, but usually flight is labelled as flight of domestic airline. Here is stay as Lufthansa and mentioned that flight is actually by LATAM in small text below... Strange to me.

[stray nova]

more in the US

like frankfurt to berlin is another one

[stray nova]

yes it also is flown as LA3289

thats what would be shown on the departure board

along with the LH4711

where as the crew and ATC would call it LAT3289

or whatever the flight number is

because its a LATAM flight

[ocean roost]

ahm guy

guys*

they did something...

[outer saddle]

wtf. touristikzug dosto???

it has DB-gebrauchtzug on it. they do more weird historic liveries.

[ocean roost]

juuup

Like the 111

[outer saddle]

https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/file.php?004,file=474050

day foto's https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?031,10353475

apperently 4 more are planned to get this livery. probably toake up a full train

[desert python]

Oof... I do remember doing 103... Do we really need that one?

[outer saddle]

hihihi yes.

and also the 218 and the 111

[wraith kiln]

How bout the MZ-coach as Toruristik?

[desert python]

Just give me good photos of both sides of any Touristick stuff.

[wraith kiln]

https://www.catawiki.com/de/l/2642261-marklin-h0-3357-4217-27-85-93-touristik-zug-mit-br-103-und-6-farbigen-d-zugwagen-der-db

Couldn't find more by a quick search

[outer saddle]

https://marnan.eu/resize/1_9_26_8182513264896.jpg/500/500/True/roco-64163-h0-db-touristikzug-set-1.jpg

https://marnan.eu/resize/1_9_25_8182513264897.jpg/500/500/True/roco-64164-h0-db-touristikzug-set-2.jpg

[desert python]

Such qvoliti, so handmad!

They even painted one wagon underside!

hm... lookind closer - it's definately hand-painted with spray...

All spots are random on Marklin, no surprise. Roco on the other hand seems correct.

[stray nova]

kinderland

interesting consist

actually no thats kinda cool

there is a reason I haven't touched the DB touristik zug yet

its a penis to draw in MV

i have some very cool images i have just found

[desert python]

Saw 103 year ago, nice liveries but those are fake though.

[stray nova]

indeed they are

however they are incredibly cool

[desert python]

https://www.catawiki.com/en/l/6260421-roco-h0-45900-45167-45168-six-passenger-carriages-of-the-db-in-touristik-edition#gallery

Probably best reference I could find...

[desert python]

I hate what I'm into...

[ocean roost]

cant wait until this gem get made in GETS 🙂

[ocean roost]

🌚

[stray nova]

stuttgart

[outer saddle]

??? munich?

[stray nova]

nah that aint the starnberg platforms

ICE's don't go there

plus u can go to garmisch and pasing thats about it from those

[nocturne wyvern]

Duisburg 😎

[stray nova]

stuttgart

literally this platform

gleis 6 1989

[outer saddle]

how is stutt21 coming along?

[stray nova]

how do you think lmao

badly

very bad

[ocean roost]

yesss

[wraith kiln]

finally, re-coding is done. 🙂

i'm just uploading the final version to the drive.
File itself is ~1,5MB smaller than the last release, but includes all this new stuff. It's modularized, so no more 1-giant-nml-file. All-variants.

[outer saddle]

624, cool

no private operator 624 yet?

[wraith kiln]

628

.2 actually. Most private ones are .4

[outer saddle]

oa yeah oops.

syltsshuttle is also .4 right
.

[wraith kiln]

Yeah, it is - and the model got the correct double doors but a sloppy variant stating it's a .2 🙈

Btw, if you want to have some private 628, you're happily invited to re-colour some voxels.

[desert python]

So Metronom using fictional 245 instead of 246?

[wraith kiln]

Is Metronom 245 completely fictional?

I thought it's a real thing but just as a short time leasing.

[desert python]

One that was made by Wyndbain is a fictional. 245 is a multi-engine loco and have different engine compartment and roof compared to 246.

One that currently in is a mix of 245 and 246.

It has two small side grills, while 245 should have four small and 246 two larger grills.
Roof is completely different and current Metronom have 245 roof (4 small fans instead of 1 large for example).

We can keep it as easter egg though🤔

[wraith kiln]

Might do that then + add the 246 you finished.

[desert python]

Ok. Have you updated set on Bananas? Or you will add it before?

[wraith kiln]

No update for now. I'd want to have some time for bug checking.

Thought about Friday for a release?

[desert python]

Not sure how much time I'll have next week...

I can do some testing tonight though...

[wraith kiln]

I'll do some tests this week, too. Also @ocean roost has received a copy for checking. So this time you're not alone.

[desert python]

Hm... I've just noticed that locos boutgh as variant lacks any refit options... Not sure if it's limit of variatons or intended feature

Bay C IV doesn't change livery in buy menu in 1920 (like other locos do)

[ocean roost]

Im today in Erfurt, so I can continuing testing tomorrow.

Btw... maybe im waay too stupid for the "economic" game, but is there an option to keep the running costs a biiit lower? When i played at the early 1900s, i went broke after 2 ig years, only through 4 Trains 😅

And i noticed the ICE 2 didnt have 2 old livery in pastell colors.

[desert python]

V80 smoke misalligned...

Hm... Should I keep posting bugs here or somewhere else? 🤔

Exhaust should be on top of the roof.

[ocean roost]

Right, like on the V100 and V60

[wraith kiln]

no, variants replace livery refits.

[desert python]

Ok. Just wanted some clarification.

[wraith kiln]

you should check the parameters, there are various options for running/purchase costs

[wraith kiln]

402 doesn't have liveries, only 1 boring red strpe

[ocean roost]

are u sure?

[desert python]

I'm sure it doesn't have a voxel with pastel

[wraith kiln]

well, sure for GETS, nor for reality. Sorry, that was misunderstandable

[desert python]

anyone can always make it...

[ocean roost]

Aaah

[desert python]

BR 159 callback for power doesn't work. It have full power without catenary (8550) but in buy menu it have reduced power shown (3860).

[wraith kiln]

done

also corrected the v100 and v60

[desert python]

V160 as well needs tweaking

[wraith kiln]

slightly off.

[wraith kiln]

it's just vice-versa. I've coded the lower power to RAIL instead of ELRL

[desert python]

V200 have two exhausts, currently it's on a middle of loco.

At least if ESU model is correct (and I do think it is)

Same with BR221

245...

[wraith kiln]

-159 corrected
-216 corrected

[desert python]

and where it should be in the middle - its on the end))

and now some cursed images))

Who needs other SVT?

[wraith kiln]

fck, thats really cursed.

it's a bit of a discussion we had with the ICE1, which can be coupled behind anything.

do i really want to force players to a certain behavior ?

[desert python]

I think there is enough of that in xUSSRset if anyone wants

or even original DBset

[stray nova]

yes

[desert python]

What I thought now - wouldn't players miss some of liveries due to variations if vehicle expire is on?

[desert python]

Then: Invisible leading engine goes Brrrr

[stray nova]

i dont even know how that works

[desert python]

Speaking of...

ICEICEICE

[outer saddle]

we need voxel smoke sprites...

[desert python]

note there is no catenary

[wraith kiln]

did u turn it off or ist it cause the leading train is RAIL?

[desert python]

You see any leading engine?)

[austere berry]

No

[wraith kiln]

guess you should've pinged BL then 😉

[stray nova]

what?

[wraith kiln]

if i understand correctly, his point is that you can do cringe consists with invisible engine, so there is no much sense in limiting stuff.

cause: if the player wants ET30 led by Eanos, the player will do anyhow.

[stray nova]

i'm only lazily limiting consits

and there's nothing they can do to stop me

[desert python]

Ore ICE Ladle

[stray nova]

in my set i am having EMU, DMU etc sold as a full train

so it has the irl consist

i might make it so EMUs and DMUs cant connect with certain things

purely out of spite

[desert python]

Correct! There are ways to prevent players any fantasy consists but will require too much effort and may be broken by OpenTTD devs "fix" any time...

[wraith kiln]

MU's are fixed consists. But they're allowed to couple with anything.

this apparently existed, so i don't want to make the effort to prohibit stuff. Especially when you can always find a workaround.

[desert python]

"Get in that bus! We need more weight to have enough traction!"

[wraith kiln]

hope this one is only downhill

[stray nova]

there's some things that i know wouldnt couple with other things though

i even know how many of the same thing the computers can cope with them being coupled with

[wraith kiln]

guess it's some kind of personal style and preference.

[desert python]

same vibes, when you need control cab but don't have proper one

btw... one more bug shows up

[stray nova]

nope

[stray nova]

.

[desert python]

reversed V60 - gap between it and wagon

KPEV T3 as well

and that's last bug from me today...

Sleep time!

[wraith kiln]

ah, thanks, than it's the template for 5/8.

i'll fix that tomorrow.

[mortal bobcat]

Depends on the couplers used

[wraith kiln]

Well, the thing is, IRL the germans (and i think, not only them) have rebuilt and refurbished their rolling stock to a massive extent. So you'll end up with stuff that had different types of coupling in different times of their live. For example, Class 151 had the standard coupling, Scharfenberg- and automatic couplers all at the same time. Given the fact that it's rather easy to bypass those restrictions in ottd, i decided for the re-code that i quit most of those coupling restrictions. It's neither worth the hazzle to research that, nor does it give any reasonable gameplay improvement that can't be negotiated by installing a simple grf (or putting any other loco in front of the consist)

[mortal bobcat]

fair

[wraith kiln]

and they're all done.

new version is uploading.

[outer saddle]

hmm

[austere berry]

Context

[austere berry]

Problem

[wraith kiln]

If you want help a tad bit more information than just a single word would be nice.

[austere berry]

Ok the problem is when I load NewGRF in game in won’t work and I get that message

[stray nova]

Are you on latest build of openttd?

Because variants don’t work in order versions

[mortal bobcat]

that version is definitively to old

[stray nova]

12.1 doesn’t have variants

The DOS port is still being maintained

I think….

[austere berry]

Oh ok

[barren blade]

In which case the GRF should probably have the "minimum version" bumped?

Seems like a relevant bug report to me, if the set is reporting that it works with versions prior to 13.0 in a release which is incompatible

[stray nova]

@wraith kiln can you modify the GETS bananas page?

[austere berry]

I didn’t get gets 0.2.0 from game bananas I got it from the in game downloader

[stray nova]

Therefore you got it from BaNaNaS

That’s the system that’s used to integrate the internet with openttd and the content on it

[austere berry]

Ok I didn’t know that

[wraith kiln]

As a good german I'm out and having beers. So... Tomorrow.

[stray nova]

lmao

nice

[wraith kiln]

updated it.

[stray nova]

Have either of you worked on the 60s Rheingold dome and kitchen cars?

Might make that today

[desert python]

nope

I doubt anyone made 60's Rheingold stuff except for locos

[wraith kiln]

some older stuff

[gritty condor]

Lovely!

[outer saddle]

cute loco's

[golden nexus]

Awesome

[ocean roost]

https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?017,10367267,10367267#msg-10367267

very interesting thread about silberlinge

[desert python]

Some more old stuff

[outer saddle]

some one got taken off the train by sncf security for making a fuzz about not having a ticker. lol

sncf security look a lot more like dont mess with them then NS V&S.

[ocean roost]

Oooooh E77?

oh wait fail

E42=+

?*

[desert python]

Neither

[ocean roost]

Well it looks Prussian tho...

[desert python]

Both E42.2 and E77 already in GETS btw

[desert python]

but it's not

[ocean roost]

my guess was the E71 now 😅

[desert python]

closer

[ocean roost]

but the front isnt round enough

[desert python]

here is a hint

[ocean roost]

E70?

[desert python]

Yep. 70.2 to be exact.

4 paint schemes for a series of 2 locs...

[ocean roost]

Was the Bundesbahn-Version already green?

[desert python]

There are two versions for DB. Blue and Green. Others are shown above: DRG grey and K.Bay brown.

Other two btw

[wraith kiln]

Oh yeah, that's a lovely one again! Bavarian EG2

That blue livery been a real thing or just some Märklin stuff?

[desert python]

There were only one black/white photo of it... So probably Marklin stuff

[wraith kiln]

not that this will prevent coding - just curious.

Also coded some of your stuff:

[outer saddle]

g2000 raillion is not german though.

[desert python]

Well, probably only one in Germany is Warsteiner..
Others are either leased or based in nearby countries.

(will make Marklin BR 53 one day...)

[outer saddle]

the blue ones were atleast allowed and able to go germany. the raillion ones never left italy

[desert python]

IETS anyone?

[outer saddle]

haha would be cool

[desert python]

Btw, Railion should be able to run in Germany as it's G2000-2. But one of blue with asymmetric cab should not be allowed in Germany.

But it's actually a mess with this G2000...

[outer saddle]

the g2000 of raillion are only fitted with italian safety systems afaik

idk what is fitted to the SBB cargo g2000??

[bright flame]

Hello is there a way to see this in a normal game?

[stray nova]

this is normal

[bright flame]

This is how I see it

[stray nova]

maybe they've just not updated the grf to contain it?

or you might be using an old version of the game

idk

[bright flame]

Like how do I select private operators

[stray nova]

think it works for me

[bright flame]

so that is not random

[outer saddle]

make sure you are up to date

[bright flame]

It's 13.0

[stray nova]

click on the one you want

[outer saddle]

update the grf tooo

go.check online content in main menu and update it

[bright flame]

Okay

I can't

[outer saddle]

press check online content

[bright flame]

Ohhh

Thank you

[outer saddle]

and then you cans elect upgrades and download

idk if it will/can upgrade your current game.

[stray nova]

think you'd need to delete the old grf to update a current game

which may not a good idea

[bright flame]

Yeah

It works now 👍🏻

Thanks

[austere berry]

Still waiting for 1.13

[stray nova]

twindexx moment

might work on them tbh

shouldn't bee too difficult in theory

[wraith kiln]

If you volunteer on that, I'd be glad. Scraped it at least 3 times.

[stray nova]

lmao

ye the front is completely fucked

[wraith kiln]

This

[desert python]

Wanna me do the thing?

If you have made a base - send it to me. May save some time

[wraith kiln]

Idc who does it. As long as I don't have to. I took the 2nd Gen DVT as a base though

[stray nova]

oh i haven't started

but yeah

use the 2nd gen dosto as a base as the irl ones are pretty much the same

[desert python]

May as well make a Skoda double-deckers as well then.

[stray nova]

hell yeah

[wraith kiln]

More modern stuff= more better

[desert python]

I'm trying to fill gaps in manufacturing. Ideally one new loc each 5 years per group (passenger/goods/universal etc.).
In terms of wagons though... It's a bit harder.

Thats why I choose 70.2. there was a huge gap due to WW1 from 1917 till 1924.

[wraith kiln]

That's a good approach in my eyes. I'll just continue with steam and flatbed-stuff in the meantime:)

[naive flare]

Gotta love how theres this awesome mix of german an russian creation

Unless I'm wrong that simoz isn't helping with the set

[desert python]

Definitely not helping... 🤣

Btw, any requests? Or I'll make something from my to-do list (BR 250, twindex or 266).

[outer saddle]

Shed!! 🤣

[stray nova]

66 is far too much of a pain in the tits for me to want to attempt

[analog wedge]

Bit late reply but maybe a prussian T3

[wraith kiln]

That's already in

[analog wedge]

Oh didn't notice sorry

[stray nova]

Im making coaches for the set and don’t realise what’s in and what isn’t half the time lmao

[analog wedge]

Lol

[golden nexus]

BR 155 if there isnt one already?

[stray nova]

east german

not in set yet

[golden nexus]

ah right

[desert python]

Seems that's how this set is going:

• What you suggest to add?
• Let's add (insert smth here)!
• It's already in!
• Oh...

🤣

[wraith kiln]

That's how it goes with 200+ vehicles

[desert python]

There are 200+ vehicles already?

[wraith kiln]

Yep

~40 Electric Locos alone.

[desert python]

Need moar!

[outer saddle]

br181

incl 4 voltage support 🤣

[desert python]

4 voltages? You're mistaking 181 with 184...

[outer saddle]

ow yes 184.

[desert python]

Spontaneous random loco

[wraith kiln]

What the hell is that one?

E21?

[desert python]

It is.

[bright flame]

I agree

[desert python]

Who wouldn't like supersonic E40?

I've reported that bug already)

[desert python]

Guess what's that will be?

[wraith kiln]

@outer saddle's shed

[outer saddle]

a shed and G2000 merge

iew

[wraith kiln]

G2-Shed?

[desert python]

Had both G2000 and 66 next to each other on a scale rails, so it was easier to get size by using G2000 as base

[wraith kiln]

Could also be LU-stock in that red.

[outer saddle]

the roofline seems way to rounded.

[desert python]

you think so?

[naive flare]

A HOTDOG!

🌭

[desert python]

base done

[outer saddle]

idk it just doesnt seem right?

[stray nova]

short

might be a tad too wide as well

2-3 voxels taller i think along the sides

[desert python]

If I make narrower, wheels will not be at same gauge as other rolling stock...

height is according to scale models of G2000 and 66.

Tbf, it is higher than should be already

but if I make it height same as model - it will look squished.

[stray nova]

Weird

no i mean the 266 is naturally smaller than the g2000

but this seems a tad short

uk loading guage

[desert python]

Yep

[stray nova]

is it OO the 66 or HO

[desert python]

But initially distance between rails was taken a bit wider than should be. And I won't redo voxels for whole set

H0

It's almost impossible to get OO stuff here

made it narrower

[stray nova]

much better i thinl

[desert python]

I do not

too smol

[stray nova]

see its way too short

this is what i ment

[desert python]

length 214 voxels. IRL one is 21.315m

as close as could be

[stray nova]

but height

[desert python]

44-46 voxels high. Slightly more than should be. IRL is 3.9m

[stray nova]

more space between the boogies and the actual body

affik

but that makes no sense

[desert python]

It's all dark, there are 4-6 voxels there already.

[stray nova]

but it is short

[desert python]

if you add more, it will be even higher than 46 voxels total

I dunno how to make it more accurate....

Uploaded base, if you have any ideas - go ahead and try! I'm off to sleep.

Squishy-squishy!

That's 39 voxel height

that's also correct width... but... note how smaller it is now

now it looks like a scale model!))

If we go other way around - with width of 32 (base distance between wheels in GETS) and upscale 26 width of model to that, we will end up with 262 voxel long loco (more than a full OpenTTD tile)

And another picture where you can see it should not be that small compared to others.

[wraith kiln]

This one still looks best for me.

[outer saddle]

NICE 😄

[mortal bobcat]

that is a long loco

[desert python]

DBsetXL/GETS comparison

[nocturne wyvern]

is it me or is the image a bit of low quality

[desert python]

Same, but after I started all vehicles

[desert python]

copy it to paint, browsers blurs pixels nowdays

[nocturne wyvern]

hmm

[desert python]

• it's normal zoom

[nocturne wyvern]

yeah youre right

[desert python]

been like that for 10 years I believe

[nocturne wyvern]

no I remember higher quality screenshots on discord

made them myself

[desert python]

depends on file size maybe?

nah... renders above aren't big enough... still blured

[outer saddle]

discords compresses images a lot

maybe it matters if you paste jpeg,bmp or png too.

[desert python]

all above - png and doesn't loose quality if you copy it over to paint

but shows as low quality in discord itself...

Any requests for 66 paintschemes?

[outer saddle]

duh PNG is lossless. But Discord uses compression

[nocturne wyvern]

was looking for this one

[outer saddle]

the amount of 66 liveries is masive

[wraith kiln]

This one is good(and common)

[outer saddle]

yeah thats the asendos leasing one.

the black MRCE is also common, and Eurocargo rail ofc.

ERS, r4C etc etc used to be common when the machines were still quite new

[wraith kiln]

I like the black mrce one, but I doubt it'll look good in ottd.

Would these ones be useful in game?

[nocturne wyvern]

yes

ive used the pkp version a lot

[wraith kiln]

Since you're here - any further additions you'd like to see?

(I'll do the behältertragwagen relatively soon then :))

[nocturne wyvern]

do we got sleepers?

apart from the talgo

[stray nova]

ive made some but not enough for the set

[wraith kiln]

I've been working on a concept/timeline thing for sleepers, didn't start drawing them yet

Kinda thought of doing them with very low capacity. Would meet P&T games quite well, hopefully. After that I'd like to add restaurant cars. Stealing Andy's ideas, they will negotiate running costs of express trains.

[outer saddle]

these cars would be interesting gameplay wise:

Early closed goods cars, with fairly high topspeed, but trading a bit in max weight capacity?

[wraith kiln]

LEIG-unit is already in as express goods carrier

High speed, lower capacity.

[outer saddle]

nice 😄

[desert python]

That's 77, not 66!

[desert python]

another 77...

and MRCE too...

[outer saddle]

only true visual and meaningfull difference for the br277 in ottd is the door.

captrain black/green is also a 277 (=mrce)

[desert python]

door, bigger vents, AC unit on some of them

Rail 4 Chem seems to be Polish.

And all others, well...

[nocturne wyvern]

you could also fuck around a bit with cargo ageing

[desert python]

Thanks for photos anyway!

[outer saddle]

No that was as german as can be

fro some reson the grey/yellow OG R4C was never repainted allthough teh company hasn't existed for years

[desert python]

code is sus

[outer saddle]

the green r4c loco's were quickly repainted after tehy changed name/went bankrupt

[desert python]

seen same order on Polish DB Vectrons

[outer saddle]

that uic number was added later in it's life when it changed owners

[wraith kiln]

Is this considered a good idea in terms of big daylength-values? But I can try that of course, yeah.

[outer saddle]

http://www.mainlinediesels.net/images/basic/emd_2000825413_68.jpg

HHPI also had a class 59 in germany

RTB/rurtalbahn also had some 66's

[desert python]

I cannot find any other picture of that one... what is it?

[outer saddle]

and DB/railion had few of these ones, because it was used to run trains for GM/opel. so GM loco too...

[outer saddle]

railtraxx (belgium)

and the blue is newer beacon rial leasing livery i think

[desert python]

DB have enough 66... but they are either in UK ot Poland...

[outer saddle]

or france

but this is german

But in the beginning DB had no 66's only the 2 or 3 used for opel train. DB accuired its 66's later by company takeovers.

[desert python]

that one is MEG 77

[outer saddle]

also there was this weird one, which for some reason was delivered in red. and used by railion on the opel service, but never got logo's... not evne when it was leased to HGK... only crossrail added logo and made front white.

better pic.

really weird unit. did have base for the cab airco. but no aircon fitted. unit 266-107

[stray nova]

work in Belgium?

yellow front

[outer saddle]

Opel service ran Ger to Belgium via NL. Allthough I'm not sure if white was also oke for belgium at that time. For NL white and/or yellow was, atleast 1sq meter. Lineas now runs a black fronted 66, so obviously there is no such rule anymore in belgium too. And the fully red HGK 66 predates the NL rules, since it has been used in NL few times, when locs without ATB were still allowed.

[stray nova]

Right

[nocturne wyvern]

amen

[outer saddle]

❤️

[mortal bobcat]

More 66s

[wraith kiln]

new flatbeds coming

[desert python]

Nice! I'd try to make bed 1 layer thicker, so beams won't show through.

[wraith kiln]

like this you mean?

[desert python]

that will be visible on render only. 1 voxel thick may show what's behind it, like stakes on Eanos looking from inside

[wraith kiln]

ah sorry, it's been like that before:

[desert python]

if that's intended - then good!

I though that was renderer

[desert python]

Is 14 enough? Doubt it...

[golden nexus]

G&W operate in Europe?

[desert python]

That's Rail Feeding, imitating G&W.

[golden nexus]

ah right

[wraith kiln]

14 is more than enough 🤣

[desert python]

So, 247 next? 🤣

[wraith kiln]

Thats Vectron, is it?

[desert python]

nope, same shed, but with more ladders, grills and AC

well, it's a vectron too...

[wraith kiln]

that's what i find as Br 267:

247 is a vectron diesel.

[desert python]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baureihe_247

Both

[wraith kiln]

you've never seen this :D

tbh, i think that's more than enough Sheds.

and proof that i'm not doing nothing:

[desert python]

05?

[wraith kiln]

01.10

[desert python]

ah, yes...

05 had 4 axles

[wraith kiln]

05 is 4-6-4

[outer saddle]

Blue/yellow ACTS shed needed

[desert python]

is it?

[wraith kiln]

yeah

[desert python]

well, maybe mistook it with some other loco...

[wraith kiln]

maybe you meant 06? That's a 4-8-4

[outer saddle]

and this one?

[wraith kiln]

Jord1, i think we have more than enough.

[desert python]

Back to a drawing board! 🤣

[wraith kiln]

no srsly, 14 is way enough. basically it's even too much.

[desert python]

I'd use brighter white for stripes.

[outer saddle]

never have enough sheds 🤣

No worry's

If nessecary I'll make them myself

[desert python]

you can paint one yourself!

here, take this! It's dangerous to go alone!

shed-ception!

[outer saddle]

😛 if BR277, this cna't msis in gets though,

[desert python]

different approach to shed

[desert python]

🤔

[desert python]

welp, something went wrong rendering that one

[wraith kiln]

rocket shed

[ocean roost]

those 66s looks awesome!

[wraith kiln]

Better White? (Better Shape for sure)

[outer saddle]

nice

[desert python]

Looks much better with all added details!

[wraith kiln]

thanks :)

[wraith kiln]

guess that one's done :)

[ocean roost]

https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?004,10386899

Just a new 143 Livery spawned x)

[wraith kiln]

choo chooo

[ocean roost]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ayranundspeck/status/1638766749897162754?s=20

Arian (Ährenbrot) (@ayranundspeck)

Company just gave me a new toy 🥰

(Makes for a perfect cup holder)

Twitter · Mar 23, 2023, 4:56 AM

New Livery for the 101

[outer saddle]

cool will be for flixtrains

[golden nexus]

Flixtrain is green not blue?

[outer saddle]

idk thats what people say. (flixtrain doesn't own trains, it's all rented stuff anyway)

[nocturne wyvern]

flixbus owns like 50 buses
just enough to say that theyre a legal bus operator in every country, the rest they all lease
its their business model

[wraith kiln]

real bad company from that perspective, yh.

[wraith kiln]

@stray nova might be smth you'd like to do?

[stray nova]

yes

oh shit

i forgor about flixtrain coaches

[nocturne wyvern]

its not as it seems,
the only thing they basically do is putting the maintenance of the buses in a diffrent company
and the bus drivers get to be able to do diffrent jobs, so the market doesnt get as depleted as with full time flix bus drivers

[wraith kiln]

wasn't it like the drivers had to lease the buses and shit?

[stray nova]

its the way a lot of airlines do it

i think even airlines like ITA in italy own 10 aircraft and the rest are leased

[nocturne wyvern]

no, flixbus leases from a company and the company supplies buses and drivers