#GETS German Extra-Zoom Trains DevZone

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wraith kiln
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Class 50 and 50_40 Franco-Crosti:

outer saddle
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nice

wraith kiln
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long time no post, right?
So, this is what's gonna be new in the next update:

  • ET 41 now has a trailer
  • More tankers
  • More open wagons
gritty condor
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If you ever would find the time for some 3rd rail, that would be glamorous! 😍 😍 😍

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Love your trains very much

wraith kiln
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thank you man πŸ™‚ somewhere down the line, there will be S-Bahn stuff.

wraith kiln
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more new stuff:

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and a WIP:

naive flare
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Ooo nice

wraith kiln
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yeah i guess the next release is coming closer. even though i didn't find the time to do the E94 yet... =/

naive flare
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AHh yes, the german crocodile

wraith kiln
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this one, yeah

naive flare
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BTW, I wonder if this set will be covering all of Germany, including the East German stuff

gritty condor
stiff swan
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deutsche demokratische republic? (german democratic republic?)

stray nova
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Yes

naive flare
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Democratic my ass, fucking can't leave without being shot πŸ˜„

wraith kiln
outer saddle
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143 and 112 for from 1990 era can't miss even in a BRD themed set. Maybe even BR232, those were all used in big numbers in the BRD after collapse of GDR. Other GDR stuff was quickly sidelined though.

nocturne wyvern
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You are forgetting the most succesful DR loc, the v100

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Of which a large portion is still doing service around europe

wraith kiln
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It's rather a decision based on "do I want to start this?" Then on anything else. I guarantee you, once I start drawing a Ludmilla and a 143, i will come up with more DR stuff instead of doing flatbeds and container wagons.

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I mean, gameplaywise there's a lot of unnecessary stuff in the set already, but I do try to focus on things I find more "important".

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Don't get me wrong, this is not a "will never draw them" rather than a "not right now"

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some more West-German steam meanwhile πŸ˜‰

nocturne wyvern
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41 gang

naive flare
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Before zooming in on the image I thought those where garrets

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πŸ˜„

wraith kiln
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Garratts weren't a thing in Germany afaik πŸ™‚

full otter
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Make a fake Garratt. Call it the Beieren-Garratt :)

naive flare
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Yeah Garratts where a bit of a rarity in general, especially in europe

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It'd seem they only really saw use in Africa and Australia

wraith kiln
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added BR 189, open wagon and PWG_14 caboose.

elfin nymph
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Did you add freight wagon already?

wraith kiln
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How do you mean? There is a whole lot of freight wagons above in the screen shotπŸ€”

elfin nymph
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No open wagons for 2010+ πŸ˜…

wraith kiln
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yes, this is since the set is drawn bit by bit.

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there is a whole lot of stuff still missing, but that'll come one after one πŸ˜‰

gritty condor
neat folio
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looks awesome

wraith kiln
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New stuff coming:

wraith kiln
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Farm supplies - fresh, delicious farm supplies!

wraith kiln
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Talents, Stake wagons and Crocodiles. I'll hopefully have more time to do more stuff in the next weeks than before πŸ™‚

outer saddle
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hamsters. nice

stray nova
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Holy shit I’ve missed a lot

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Need to stop being lazy

wraith kiln
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i still got some of your coaches lying on my hdd.... urgently need to code them....

stray nova
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Yeah

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Was thinking of doing a 143

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Modern one tho

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Without the DR liveries

outer saddle
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booo. modern direct rail livery then.

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🀣

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or do a 112. since those were aquired new by both DR and DB.

wraith kiln
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Since I'm still at the "no GDR-stuff" point, I'd prefer the 112. It'd be a nice one between class 111 and 146.

stray nova
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fair enough

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112's are similar enough anyhow

wraith kiln
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Lamps are the main difference, afaik

outer saddle
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well they are techically different. first series 112 evne had same lamps as DR243. Later series got the smaller singular ligths from BRD.

stray nova
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cold and dry 20ft's

stray nova
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Maersk 20ft Dry

stray nova
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Maersk LGBT 20ft dry

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MSC 20ft Dry

nocturne wyvern
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The containers

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How many random containers are possible?

outer saddle
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unlimited i guess depending on how much coding you want to do

stray nova
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these are gonna be randomly assigned to a train depending on load

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i think

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i think 12 for dry

outer saddle
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some tanktainers would be cool. they are pretty common on trains too.

stray nova
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5-6 for cold

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yeah

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i cba yet for that

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ill do some 40ft's as well

outer saddle
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nice to put on 80ft Sggnss wagons.. 😍

stray nova
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my thoughts exactly

outer saddle
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26m container wagons. size of normal pax cars.

stray nova
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professional opinion does this work because i have redrawn like 5 times

outer saddle
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I would just do only maersk

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and try some other brands instead of a sealand variaton

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CMA, Hapag, Cosco, Evergreen

stray nova
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the cold ones have the sealand bit

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thats what im trying to do now

outer saddle
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they also exists without it afaik. Sealand is jsut the old branding.

stray nova
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got the back looking ok

outer saddle
stray nova
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yeah

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i mean

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ill keep it

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dont want just maersk

outer saddle
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I guess once it's a sprite it becomes a blur though

stray nova
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right good thats all i need lmao

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Maersk Sealand cold 20ft

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shame i cant get ONE

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well i can but not properly

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the shade of pink is the same as the shade for blankness

nocturne wyvern
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Doesnt the pkp grf have one?

stray nova
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not of ONE

nocturne wyvern
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Or is that something else

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They have something pink if i remember correctly

stray nova
outer saddle
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32bpp should be no issue to use a pink shade?

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Do a ONE reefer, they are white

stray nova
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yea it still does

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will go white

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sorry will go blank

outer saddle
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and one also has white normal continers

stray nova
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i may do that but i need to find a pink close enough that it doesn't look crap

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logo looks ok

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Hamburg SΓΌd Cold 20ft

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Hapag-Lloyd 20ft Dry

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right thats 3 of each done

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cba to do more rn so i will do more later

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actually 4 dry 3 cold

wraith kiln
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comparing older sprites to very new ones. I hope the lower ones mark an improvement...

wraith kiln
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(and how they differ in game)

stray nova
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both look good but new ones are better

stray nova
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rescaling the containers now

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MSC dry new

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Maersk Sealand New

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Hamburg SΓΌd new

wraith kiln
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Ure quite on fire πŸ”₯

stray nova
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maersk dry new

stray nova
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Maersk Pride redesign

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an attempt at ONE white

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thats a bit better

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ONE Traditional

stray nova
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Hamburg SΓΌd Dry

outer saddle
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Nice

stray nova
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Evergreen Cold

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Cargostore Cold

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right thats enough for today

austere berry
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I like what I see

outer saddle
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cargostore is not really a common container to see in germany on trains at all

stray nova
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I made that one for me

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Idc if it’s not in the set me dad used to work for em

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Cool to have there

wraith kiln
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uff they're really pretty.

I'll only have to draw some container wagons now. and find a way to code them in a way that doesn't blow up the grf-file πŸ™‚

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i'm already at ~170MB of size...

stray nova
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lmao yeah the voxels alone are nearly a gig

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i mean u could make a part 2

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gotta be one of the largest ones out there atm

austere berry
wraith kiln
stray nova
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yeah...

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that's very different tho

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damn every time i draw stuff realise i need to learn to code

wraith kiln
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i mean, there is still room for improvement. most coaches don't have stacked loading sprites for the open doors, so that'll save some MB's.

stray nova
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yeah i really should have started doing that for the coaches i drew

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oh well

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just more work for later lmao

wraith kiln
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Btw, your BDUU is in now.

stray nova
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oooo very nice

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i cant remember what that was but nice anyway lmao

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was it the bike coach they use down south?

wraith kiln
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the half-baggage coach

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yeah

stray nova
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well i know more about voxel art now so i can rework a bunch of stuff once i get around to it

wraith kiln
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same here, i just decided to start re-doing the Group 28

stray nova
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yeah looks good

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DB Schenker Dry

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cant find a decent photo of a 20ft so used this

stray nova
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Evergreen Dry

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12 in total now

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Hapag-lloyd dry new

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fucked it 3 times but it works now so who cares

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13

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Standard Brown Dry

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Standard Green Dry

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China Shipping Dry

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Updated to have chinese characters on it

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Cosco Dry

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Tex Dry

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couple minor changes

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MOL dry

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P&O Nedlloyd

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OOCL Dry

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Safmarine Dry

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CMA CGM Dry

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Cosco Reefer

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Updated to have the panda

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ONE Reefer

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Hapag-Lloyd Reefer

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Default White Reefer

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right thats 26 all done

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should be enough

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Remade Safmarine because i forgot to save

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that makes it 27

outer saddle
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they are nice.

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APL

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and bertschi would be nice. last one is verry common on trains. (not ships)

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🀣

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gets will end up twice as big as nessecary with all those container skins

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They do look really cool

stray nova
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lmao yeah

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APL is reserved for the 40ft's

outer saddle
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K-line, UASC

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thinking of a yellow one since you dont have yellow yet, DHL.

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and dhl os also german

stray nova
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Ooooo

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Yeah

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I mean we have 19 dry atm

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Might do DHL and the rest I might put on the 40ft

stray nova
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ok correction all i have done are now 40ft

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yayyyyy

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20's will be coming tomorow

stray nova
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Cold and Dry actual 20ft's

stray nova
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@outer saddle DHL 20ft Dry

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K Line 20ft Dry

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Hyundai 20ft Dry

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Standard Brown 20ft

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Tex 20ft Dry

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20ft MSC Dry

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holy shit im speeding through these

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Standard Green 20ft Dry

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Capital 20ft Dry

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Hanjin 20ft Dry

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Cosco 20ft Dry

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UASC 20ft Dry

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Hapag-Lloyd 20ft Dry

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ONE 20ft Dry

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Maersk 20ft Dry

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Dry's done mostly unless people have other suggestion

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Standard Reefer 20ft

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Cosco Reefer 20ft

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Triton Reefer 20ft

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A very botched Grimaldi Reefer

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ACL Reefer 20ft

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this has the sticker so thats why it looks weird

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ACL 2.0

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ACL Dry 20ft

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enough for tonight

wraith kiln
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holy mother of god, i shall rename this into "Container-Mania" πŸ˜„

stray nova
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GECS

wraith kiln
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Something else than containers - I've redrawn Group 28 coaches and added Karwendel_Express. Baggage and Post cars will come soon (c)

stiff swan
nocturne wyvern
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Excellent

spare gorge
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Is there a BR 05 in red?

wraith kiln
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Not yet

wraith kiln
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that's what we've got so far for the next release, more is coming:

spare gorge
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Is there a way to contribute?

austere berry
wraith kiln
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more is just.... more? So first streamlined loco and baggage cars have been added. Need to get back drawing stake wagons again.

outer saddle
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ow rare loco. is form henschelwegmanzug right. now we need the coaches too

wraith kiln
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Yeah it's that one. I'll do some stakes first, after that the coaches will come.

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got a Bavarian C IV Class nearly finished, so i guess there's room for another loco in the next update. Any ideas?

outer saddle
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blue tiger

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or mak DE2700

wraith kiln
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some more diesel would be nice, you're right. Let's see what we can do πŸ™‚

outer saddle
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they are a bit obscure though. but so is henschel-wegmann

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maybe a siemens ER20 would be more fitting.

wraith kiln
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well, i like all 3 of them, so... not all of them will be drawn until next friday, but i'll note them down. Especially since like 218 still is the only mainline diesel (except for 245, which is already in)

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so a bit more variation for those non-electrified tracks is welcome i guess.

stray nova
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man I'm waiting to get GDR stuff done me wants a ludmilla

nocturne wyvern
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Its calling for you

outer saddle
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haha ludmilla, br143, holzroller, , energie container, early dostos etc etc... all pretty significant trains for evelution of german railroads even after wende.

wraith kiln
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Laaps_565 is a dedicated wood carrier-vehicle-thing-bla.

Two questions:

  • Shall it only carry wood or should i add Timber as cargo option?
  • Is "Twin wood wagon" a decent name? If not -> Any better suggestions?
stray nova
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i would just use the irl name tbh

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then in brackets add something like open wood carrier

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also u could make some pipes to put on them

wraith kiln
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Names are currently done like this:

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Choose this way since i suspect not every player is familiar with how german freight wagons are named πŸ˜„

stray nova
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yeah that works also

wraith kiln
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This is what i've got for the next update - only Henschel-Wegmann is missing. Hope i'll get that done before the weekend πŸ™‚

wraith kiln
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what you all got with that pipe?

outer saddle
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well pipes can be transported in those wagons too

gritty condor
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I work on a railway line with freight traffic.

I see car transporters, bulk goods, tankers and shipping containers. Rarely wood.

I can't understand pipes either.

But if you ever really want to take off, an emergency train or a construction train would be a great project.

wraith kiln
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well, the laaps 565 is a specific wood carrier. I checked and didn't find any pics with pipe on it.

stray nova
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ooooooo

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cars

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now that is an excellent idea thank you

austere berry
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Bruh what’s up with pipe

outer saddle
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gritty condor
outer saddle
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just depends in which region area etc whats put inside. pipe is quite common and a cargo in some industry grfs so can make interesting variations

wraith kiln
outer saddle
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well hmm wood and timber then for that articulated wagon

wraith kiln
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next release is getting closer, as this one is nearly finished.

outer saddle
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v200 nice

wraith kiln
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the current JGR had some really ugly pictures of open wagons carrying pig iron.
Much better is this one:

nocturne wyvern
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GETS high quality doesnt really work with sukts

wraith kiln
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ikr, but it SUKTS is the only one i know of that has wide ballast

nocturne wyvern
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true

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we need more wide ballast tracks

austere berry
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Ture

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We need more options

outer saddle
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we need another gets. German Extrazoon Track Set

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🀣

wraith kiln
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comes a time. Maybe, maybe not

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for the Moment i've got something different in mind.

outer saddle
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GESS 😍

austere berry
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Why

stray nova
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@wraith kiln is standard zoom an option and what does it look like?

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1x sprite scale is

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the 601 looks like this

wraith kiln
stray nova
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Nice!

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I can use the grf then xd

outer saddle
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The V200 and the bleu coaches you posted in #developer-updates seem to be miss aligned.

wraith kiln
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thanks, i'll check that

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The loco is the issue. Will be corrected in the next release πŸ™‚

stray nova
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gonna give this an attempt

stray nova
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Nice!

outer saddle
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nachzug talgo, nice

stray nova
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@shell garnet

shell garnet
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Ah interesting

green helm
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Also the new upcoming talgo (ecx) looks nice

stray nova
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That’s the idea

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Not that one tho

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That design has been canned

green helm
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Looks even better

stray nova
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Well I ain’t gonna get ahead of myself

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Gotta do the CNL one first

stray nova
stray nova
stray nova
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In the Netherlands they should be hauled by NS vectrons

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I think they should anyway

outer saddle
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the EEL/NS rental vectrons will haul it all the way to berlin untill the talgo locos will take over.

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they alredy tested NS vectron to berlin once with current ic berlin.

stray nova
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Ahhhh so no vectrons in the hole Land

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Hole land?

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Holland I mean

outer saddle
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yes. NS vectron will do the full route.

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untill the talgo loco's come available and then the NS rental vectrons probably go back to the owner.

stray nova
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Shame really

outer saddle
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Soon nightjet will also be NS vectron all the way upto vienna.

stray nova
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They look nice

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What about the nightjets?

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Waiting for Γ–BB vectrons

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I guess

outer saddle
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no. for now NS willl rent 5 vectrons for nightjet use.

stray nova
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Ok makes sense

outer saddle
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and run them on amsterdam-frankfurt for the basel bound trains and the full amsterdam-vienna route.

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i think the 5th vectron is soon to be delivered.

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one is also in vienna currently for maintenance at ELL

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it was put as a second dead loco in a night jet few weeks back

narrow breach
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I said I would make you guys a rail set huh

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never got round to that

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still want a railset?

outer saddle
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we need to call it GERST!!!

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German Extrazoom RailSeT

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🀣

narrow breach
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lol

outer saddle
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gerst is barley in dutch (and more or less in german)

narrow breach
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Can I get the GETS MG palette?

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or are you using Timberwolf's?

outer saddle
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all gets stuff is on github anyway

stray nova
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Use one of the vox sprites

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Save the pallet from that

narrow breach
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thanks

stray nova
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Hold on I’ll send one use

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There u go just save the pallet from that

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Save that link it has all the latest stuff

outer saddle
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i think i shared the pallette in discord once too

stray nova
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Yeah I ain’t at home so I can’t do it

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That vox has the pallet saved

outer saddle
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here: Here's a Photoshop palette file which you can drag into MagicaVoxel to use

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ow shit
.. kopied text instead of link

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#add-on-development message

stray nova
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Wanna mess with some gantries

narrow breach
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I'll see what I can do

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I cant nml by the way

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purely an artist

stray nova
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Fairs

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Same

narrow breach
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just tried to do some stuff in MG

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I now have a headache

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dont expect it soon lol

stray nova
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Images plz

wraith kiln
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not the images you asked for. But: Images.

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so i'm currently re-drawing and re-coding some older stuff in order to save some space.
This is kinda preparation for starting with all the sick containers jinglebain has already drawn.

Since work is kinda busy this may take some time.

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In the meantime, you might feel like giving this one a try?

obivously, they might not look that much different in 1x Zoom, but that's entirely not the scope.

green helm
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First one build

wraith kiln
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oh that look. As if the child of a vectron and en EMU got into a bar fight.

outer saddle
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ita soooo ugly

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there are more fotos on the original post

wraith kiln
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the back is kinda nice.

stray nova
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Nah it looks sick wdym

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If I get around to it I’ll draw that based on the CNL one

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Looks damn cool

stray nova
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Talgo Gen Car

stray nova
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Seating Coach Door Right

outer saddle
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cool

stray nova
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talgo now fully done

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loading sprites aint ready yet but i rekon that looks pretty ok

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Sexy

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i think that looks pretty alright tbh

outer saddle
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before they changed it to much snaller DB nachtzug logo.

stray nova
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Yup still deciding on how to draw that and not make it look crap

wraith kiln
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Container Madness begun.

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Also new in next version: Turntable wagons and new colors for UIC-X coaches

green helm
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One question how can I use all the colors I see that they are bound to different years, but for example I never had the ability to build the orange "Silberlinge" or the 103 Lufthansa an the ic coaches

wraith kiln
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you can choose via refit menu

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Default is color choosen by build year. You also have the option to choose via current year. and then you can manually choose the special colours.

wraith kiln
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I've just released the waypoints.
Have fun with them πŸ™‚

full otter
outer saddle
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sad

wraith kiln
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You built it the wrong way round, I guess.

outer saddle
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hasnt this to do with bounding box?

wraith kiln
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Ah, sorry I should've taken a proper look. That'll be fixed in the next release.

wraith kiln
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And some new trains, too. The EuroDual has different power values for RAIL and ELRL - again, IH was a great source for learning new NML stuff πŸ™‚

full otter
wraith kiln
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Variants.

stray nova
mortal bobcat
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I know this is what you want

stray nova
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you'd be able to tell my stuff apart at a glance

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and there'd be way less text

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dont bully me 😀

nocturne wyvern
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the text is fine

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because there is bound to the be day that xx.xx+1 is going to show up so you would have to change the entire format again

stray nova
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i'd have it like that

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or find some way of keeping it simple

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idk

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tired

wraith kiln
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Thought about it too, but if you click on any of the lower variants, they show up at the parent entry. That'll cause confusion.

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Looks like this then

full otter
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Plus if you do just the variation name that will also be the name that shows up for the vehicle itself if you buy it and check the consist

wraith kiln
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it'll be fun to only have "Build Year Livery" in the news. Reddit will love it.

outer saddle
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just dont upload to fruitstall, so reddit wont find it

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🀣

desert python
stray nova
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Very very cool

desert python
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I already hate it's shape

stray nova
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They look like that

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I still need to work on the 66

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And the flirt

desert python
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66? EMD one?

stray nova
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Yuh

desert python
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Good I haven't started with one!

stray nova
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I was gonna use Timberwolf’s however it’s quite broken

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Needs upscaling

desert python
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I do have two models of 66 in H0.

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In case you need details - can take some photos

stray nova
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Nah it good

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There mainly British anyway

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I can just go out to look at them properly

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Usually 2-3 around barking

desert python
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Ok

stray nova
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Gave u the role new GRF dev

desert python
desert python
stray nova
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I like that

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I believe garlic said you were working on a G2000

desert python
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I've considered it. As well as BR250.

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Blue Tiger one

stray nova
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Nice

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I started on containers to work on a 146 lmao

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I was gonna actually finish a draft I made a few months back

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No not a 146

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143

desert python
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Hm, is that ex-DR one?

stray nova
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Ye

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There was a variation that was made in the west

desert python
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Ok, note that first one was a bit different. Had windows on a roof for example

stray nova
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I cannot remember the name

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Whatever it may be

desert python
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do you mean that one?

stray nova
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That’s the DR variation

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There was a variation made for both and made in both nations

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I think

desert python
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nope, I guess you mean BR 112

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but that's just a regeared one IIRC

stray nova
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Yeah that’s the one

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Even still same sort of design

desert python
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112.0 had same design, while 112.1 had two small headlamps instead of four.

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Last one of 112.0

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and yes, 243/143 had max speed of 120 km/h, while newer 112 haad 160 km/h

stray nova
#

I think if I do end up doing it it will be the 112.1 just to add differences to the Vox design compared to the 143 when the east set is made

outer saddle
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and the original LEW henningsdrof factory was owned by AEG by the time they wen tinto production. (they are still a full GDR design basicly)

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production 143, had some different parts,s ince in GDR there was no track, wagons or need to go above 120kph. The early proto types ones were able to do 140/160, and the thing was designed to be able to from the start.

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Only once 112 was begin ordered there was a need for 140/160

wraith kiln
wraith kiln
outer saddle
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Still think it deserves both as 143 got such a major roll in fromer BRD territory as well.

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but won't give it priority

wraith kiln
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#1 priority is variants, re-coding and optimisation of what's already there. Still stuck on coding EMU's and optimizing loading sprites.

outer saddle
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That Voith maxima look very cool btw

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Shame soo little where ever made

stray nova
#

I still love the G2000

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Can’t beat it

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Wicked looking thing

outer saddle
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the symmetric ot asymmetrc?

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it's just a weird mahcine

stray nova
#

Symmetric looks better

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Asymmetric is used more for shunting

desert python
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Only one or two of asymmetric were ever made?

outer saddle
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about 30 i think

desert python
#

more than I thought...

outer saddle
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G2000.... lots of variants and liveries. (alltouhg not all of them were allowe din germany)

desert python
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don't really like how grills are handled by GoRender in this case

outer saddle
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also the fans on top might be a bit light. with all air moving past they would grey/dirty fast.

desert python
#

they would be black IRL, but voxels are fresh.

outer saddle
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Its a shame they never run to NL much 😦

desert python
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also, default TTD pallete lacks good colours for that paintscheme

desert python
stray nova
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Have you done the 103 yet and what does it look like with standard zoom?

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And how many meters is an 8/8 vehicle for you guys

nocturne wyvern
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bruh just download gets and start up a game

wraith kiln
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103 variants of 103 πŸ˜„

stray nova
wraith kiln
stray nova
wraith kiln
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fits the polish set, timberwolfs and xussr

stray nova
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Fits xUSSR bit more than Polish Trains 3, CD and Timberwolf’s

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Timberwolf’s is not realistically scaled

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Polish is but to a smaller scale same with CD but xUSSR works really well with it

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Talking from experience

desert python
wraith kiln
desert python
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There are!

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Roco sponsored Traffic Red, TEE with silver sides.

wraith kiln
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i'll not allow to ruin such a piece of engineering art with that traffic red livery.

desert python
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It's not that bad tbh

stray nova
#

Doesn’t DB netz have one?

wraith kiln
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matter of taste, i find it to be especially ugly on the E03

stray nova
#

Or did have one

desert python
stray nova
#

Maybe not

stray nova
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Makes it look fat

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But I like it

desert python
wraith kiln
desert python
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How about Marklin fantasy?

wraith kiln
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can i put my head under a pillow and wait till it's gone? πŸ˜„

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to be serious, i'd rather fill in missing stuff before doing another livery of a loco that already has tons of.

stray nova
desert python
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Some more Marklins

stray nova
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266, 112 are some off the top of my head

desert python
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2000 (which cab btw?), 250 planned here...

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Also, since there are variations, maybe it's time to split 120.0 and 120.1?

wraith kiln
stray nova
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Looks better now that is the only screenshot I can find since I’m on my phone

stray nova
desert python
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All 120.0 were designed for 160 km/h except for 120 005. All of them were retired early.

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Used for service trains mostly

stray nova
#

I think at some point garlic if u feel u can then push pull operation would be nice

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Shiiiiiiit

stray nova
#

I need to keep working on the nightjet

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Nor me

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The list grows

wraith kiln
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well, push pull will be there if the game supports it πŸ˜„

desert python
stray nova
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Have a look at the SBB set

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Good example

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CD set has some also

desert python
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I bet 1/2 of code there is for supporting that

stray nova
#

Yes

wraith kiln
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the re-write with variants is currently at ~45k lines of NML, and i didn't even finish EMU's. Imagine that with push-pull for nearly 10 different DVT's and how many locos? 30? 40?

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sorry, but i can't do that.

stray nova
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Fair enough

desert python
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You can, you just don't have enough time/motivation!)))

stray nova
#

I mean maybe a few years down the line haha

wraith kiln
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never say never, aye?

desert python
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Like in xUSSRset... Which is made since 2004 (2007)...

wraith kiln
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sorry, but i can't do that (in the foreseable future) <<<better?

stray nova
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Yes

desert python
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Much better!

stray nova
#

I still thinking about what we might want to add

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With the exception of the already made sets

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Tickling with the idea of the ICx

desert python
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1940-2020 is pretty much filled with locos.

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Id say modern open wagons is lacking

stray nova
#

Coaches?

desert python
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4/6 axle flatbed would be nice too

wraith kiln
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open wagons/flatbed's in general, but that's my task after re-coding

stray nova
#

Freight

desert python
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Reinhold coaches

stray nova
#

I see

wraith kiln
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'60s rheingold, yeah. should be quite easy to make with MZ's as a base model

mortal bobcat
wraith kiln
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thank's to Fairy and Starraid i managed to split it up.

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that's the re-write i'm talking bout

mortal bobcat
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Ok good

stray nova
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I think adding some future stuff might be nice

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Trying to think what tho

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Other than the ICx

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Or ICE-L

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Whatever

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Depends what your comfortable with adding

wraith kiln
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Toshiba HDB 800 is planned for 2024

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Dualmode Vectrons will come

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and some Vossloh hybrid-diesel

stray nova
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This maybe

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β€œFuture” standardised s-Bahn

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Bi-Mode vectrons are interesting

wraith kiln
desert python
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Only few are there.

stray nova
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Oh yeah ofc

wraith kiln
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x-coaches

stray nova
#

X-coaches?

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Twindexx

wraith kiln
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x-coach

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mostly Rhein/Ruhr and KΓΆln S-Bahn.

stray nova
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Once I get the flirt done (that I’ve been working on for like a year) I can shove a KISS in

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MΓΌnchen as well

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Oh wait no that’s the 420

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Mah bad

wraith kiln
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yh, the lovely blue ones πŸ™‚

stray nova
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Mmmmmmm

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StadtExpress is the name of that livery isn’t it?

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The orange s-Bahn

wraith kiln
#

no, that's regular S-Bahn stuff.

stray nova
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Wow I didn’t know they had plug doors

wraith kiln
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Stadtexpress were the mustard yellow GDR-ones

desert python
stray nova
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Yeah nah I thought the same name was given for the line between DΓΌsseldorf and dortmund

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What ever S that is

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Ludmilla my beloved

desert python
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That's what "Ludmila" looks like here...

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And last version of original "Ludmila"... Basically regeared 140.

stray nova
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That’s in xUSSR now

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I thank you

desert python
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But that's off topic now.

stray nova
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Very

outer saddle
desert python
#

Staying on topic... There was another BR232.

outer saddle
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@wraith kiln why are some couloirs in quots, like traffic red and orient red. but ocean blue-beige isnt???

stray nova
outer saddle
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they are all named from the ral colour table, which has official english names as well.

wraith kiln
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Traffic Red and Orientred are direct translations i did. so i put them in quots.

stray nova
nocturne wyvern
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this remains the best s bahn

stray nova
#

N wagen

nocturne wyvern
#

purerly because diesel to gummersbach

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not actually good

outer saddle
nocturne wyvern
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but its cool line

wraith kiln
stray nova
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This is cool

outer saddle
#

I would only quote stuff which cant be translated like "Touristik-zug"

stray nova
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Tourist train

desert python
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Wouldn't that be OP diesel to add?

stray nova
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Or tourist railways

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Is that the edelweiss?

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Because that looks like a Swiss coach

outer saddle
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nah. its doenst translate well. the thing/livery is just called touristtikzug and cant really be translated

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Seems like some random f or d-trein

stray nova
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I would be for keeping all of the original German names Verkehrsrot sounds better than traffic red

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Plus with variants you can see what the liveries look like

outer saddle
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well then you get Ozeanblau, Verkehrsrot, Orientrot, ChromeoxidgrΓΌn and Kobaltblau or Stahlblau

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Ow and MinttΓΌrkis ofc. the best livery of DB.

stray nova
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I think that’s ok actually

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Like I said with variants you can see what the livery looks like before you choose

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Unlike the old refit model

wraith kiln
desert python
wraith kiln
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Real trains pls

desert python
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It is real scaled model!..

stray nova
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Oil?

desert python
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(could be added as easter egg by coupling two real BR53 together)

desert python
wraith kiln
outer saddle
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basicly a bunch of big fans and radiator in it.

stray nova
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I see

outer saddle
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Some BR52 were fitted with them.

stray nova
#

I know fuck all about steam

outer saddle
#

that loco model he shows idk if that was built in real

desert python
wraith kiln
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no that wasn't build. It was one a study of a super-heavy warloco, but never been built.

outer saddle
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romours go construction of the prototype was underway untill berlin airraids started.

stray nova
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Like this, based on reality but never actually built

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I See

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They were gonna run converted sleeper talgos with just seating cars between MΓΌnchen and ZΓΌrich

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Diesel lok on the front

outer saddle
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It was just one of the designs after a request for a heavyer loco to asssist the german war effort on eastern front. But the war turned a bit bad fro them too soon

stray nova
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Hmmmm

wraith kiln
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they wanted to combine high power and low axleweight, that's why Borsig did a Mallett-Design.

stray nova
#

Just thinking here, maybe this would be nice to have in the set

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For more IC diesels

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MAK De1024 or DB 240

wraith kiln
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Wynd, that's actually in. In exact this livery:)

outer saddle
stray nova
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Not with it

outer saddle
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and the abundance of relatively new ludmillas disnt make new nessecary

stray nova
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Plus I don’t have access to openttd

wraith kiln
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I flagged them as "universal/general use" since they're the only diesel that's capable of going 160. Plus as I recall, they've been hauling IR trains in RL

stray nova
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Ye they ran over to sylt with n-Wagens

outer saddle
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yeah they were desigen as more or less multipurpose.

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and ended up doing their career mostly at hgk

desert python
austere berry
desert python
wraith kiln
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Only 36k lines of code to modularize left. Wo-hooo.

desert python
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Not only diesels were involved.

outer saddle
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you missed he made that one first 🀣 (also was non tilting version afaik)

stray nova
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Nah it was

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Has the struts above the wheels

desert python
outer saddle
stray nova
#

yeah some of the sleepers were pendulars affik

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could be wrong tho

stray nova
#

idk why they had this colour scheme tbh

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or ICN

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or AutoZug

outer saddle
#

there was a reason for this livery (interregio). i forgot though. Its weird because at that era german IC was orientred with narrow pink stripe.

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probably has to do with this being the only new night stock ordered in the era of "produkt farben" and not belonging to CNL etc.

fierce egret
wraith kiln
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thank you - this might really be useful for our set. Guess it's not true that the Name-Strings do not count into Doxx Range?

fierce egret
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The old fixed name string property (Action 4) is its own thing. The D0xx strings are shared by all direct callback results though, including e.g. cargo subtypes or extra buy menu text. A D0xx string can include strings in other ranges via parameters, but NML isn’t sophisticated enough at the moment to allow to take advantage of this.

wraith kiln
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Thanks for the clarification. So I shouldn't run into any issues as long as I give each variant an individual Name string.

fierce egret
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I’m not sure we’re talking about the same thing. You can always have a unique static name for each engine (variant), nothing changed there. The point of this new callback is the opportunity to dynamically decide on the string to show. This can e.g. be used to have a different name shown depending if the variant is displayed in the top-level slot or as one of the expanded sub-items which could then skip the full name so you don’t have to search for the actual variant name at the far end of the name.
With the NML patch that is found in the PR, you can only have 1024 unique dynamic names in the GRF, but that is a limit of the NML implementation only which someone more clever than me could lift. Coding in NFO, there is no limit.

ocean roost
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But they were looking like this, usually 3-4 red first class coaches,. following a dining car, and next to it 6-8 blue second class coaches

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Dining cars are also pretty underrated tbh, there are so many variations

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I hope i dont spam the group ^^' im pretty motivated

ocean roost
stray nova
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u mean either the miropa panto car or the rheingold dome and kitchen cars?

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they aren't made yet

outer saddle
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mitropa was gdr.

ocean roost
#

yep i know

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So no GDR content in this set=

outer saddle
#

cant remember who operated the 27m cars with panto

ocean roost
#

?*

outer saddle
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DSG??

ocean roost
#

Well... after war, Mitropa catered till 1949, and then the DSG came and catered till the mid 80s i guess

stray nova
outer saddle
stray nova
outer saddle
#

this is cool, there was a db regio one too

stray nova
#

sudostbayernbahn

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nice

outer saddle
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the pantos were removed on most(all?) cars later

stray nova
#

didn't know they had dining cars

ocean roost
#

well....

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i actually made a powerpoint about dining cars ^^'

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make*

stray nova
#

send pls

ocean roost
#

Its not done yet, lel

outer saddle
ocean roost
#

About 30 minutes, i guess

ocean roost
outer saddle
#

the Wrmz were opersted by DSG, but didnt have dsg markings or anything

stray nova
#

well all we have that are modern (ish) diners are the Arkimbz262 in both the IC and BWX livery's

ocean roost
stray nova
#

welp

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GETS is nowhere near done

#

we need FLIRT's, desiro's

ocean roost
#

Yes i know

stray nova
#

coradias

ocean roost
#

more Diesel trains πŸ™‚

stray nova
#

the DDR set will only be started when it's finished

ocean roost
#

understandable!

stray nova
#

this is the only "modern-ish" dining car we have

outer saddle
#

so origianl seating/tables interior was removed for a open space useable for all kinds of things

stray nova
#

its a bord bistro

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also the TALGO diners

outer saddle
#

WRmz135 would be nice. its a good addition with it visual odd panto. and a true dining car.

stray nova
#

fuck it

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i was gonna play squad tonight

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ill make that

ocean roost
#

But its Openoffice tho, so maybe i dont work well

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it*

#

btw, here is another livery for the ET420. It was used for the Airport Service in Munich, it got its livery from 1991-1999

stray nova
#

i mean

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we got so much on the list

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the reason we haven't gotten a new release in a while is Garlic recoding the whole set

ocean roost
#

I know, its just for collecting stuff for the future, so it can be used later

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i dont expect, that everything get included asap

mortal bobcat
#

at least most regional trains are ran by db in Germany and don't all have a different livery

ocean roost
#

Are u sure about that?

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the ET442 alone has about 6-7 liveries

mortal bobcat
#

well the x50 series in sweden has more than 10 probably

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9 different operators

ocean roost
#

because its also getting used by Abellio, S-Bahn Mitteldeutschland, National Express, SWEG, Cantus, Go-Ahead and DB

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The ET426 have also another livery since 2021, when the BOB got 8 units of them. I really like that Blue livery

stray nova
#

yes that livery is very cool

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panto up or down?

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i think in regular service it would have been down

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only up when locos were changing

ocean roost
#

exactrly

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exactly*

outer saddle
#

It was not allowed to run panto up

wraith kiln
#

For the dining cars: Andy does it like dining car removed running cost of express coaches. Is that something you guys would like as a game mechanic?

ocean roost
#

Ah, I dunno, if its been already discussed, but what about the green stripes on the ICEs? Do you add them sometimes?

wraith kiln
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"in" meaning: "coded and done for the next release".

nocturne wyvern
#

how do you guys currently keep track of what youve done etc?

wraith kiln
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i've got a tracking table in fifteen versions. 14 on my hdd and one on a googledrive.

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  • myself has a crush on physical notes, so i've got a bunch of paperlists lying around here.
nocturne wyvern
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lol

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good one

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physical notes supreme

wraith kiln
#

bit hard to share with a multi-national team though

nocturne wyvern
#

me and wynd can probably read enough german, dont know about the rest

wraith kiln
#

lol

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more worried about my shitty handwriting than about the language.

nocturne wyvern
#

fair enough

stray nova
#

i just look on the gdrive at what isn't done

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then make it

nocturne wyvern
#

coradia lints ☠️

ocean roost
#

Schienenbusses :9

#

geez i realize, how much diesel trains germany has....

wraith kiln
#

same time i did realise how few are in the grf.

ocean roost
#

VT98, VT137, VT24, 610, 605 (ICE TD) 620-623, 626, 627, 632-633, 670, etc... its like endless

wraith kiln
#

just looking at the 950 versions of VT137 πŸ˜„

ocean roost
#

oh geez.... i also forgot the regio shuttle

ocean roost
wraith kiln
#

guesstimate πŸ˜‰

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just cause VT 137 was the general label for all standardized DMU's back then. So everything is a VT 137.

ocean roost
#

Maybe... if im crazy enough, i can count the different types

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Probably time for another Powerpoint

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But not now.... πŸ˜„

ocean roost
#

Welp....

desert python
#

Wasn't 950 amount of build DMUs, not amount of versions?

wraith kiln
#

That's been a completely made up number;)

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Question on the more colorful private freight cars: Randomized into the "parent" variant or is it one of the special ones?

desert python
#

I'd sub-grouped private companies like with locos.

wraith kiln
#

I'll adapt that to all wagons then.

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how bout MU's? Think the should be different, as you barely have two operators in one train?

desert python
#

I'd suggest to do it all aroud the set the same way.

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There are some MU's that used by multiple companies, like RegioShuttle

wraith kiln
#

so this should be a random at first?

desert python
#

hm... not sure...

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loco's are though

wraith kiln
#

my point was you won't have a Abellio coupled to a VIAS one in one single train.

My thought would be to group it into X-part and Y-part consists and then give you more operators in the subgroup.

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like, choosing the prettiest livery (or the most common or.... ) as a parent and then doing the liveries beneath.

desert python
#

that could be better option actually

wraith kiln
#

so, if there is DB-livery this goes top level.

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sub-group criteria should be? common? Most fancy, pretty, ugly?

desert python
#

alphabetical?

wraith kiln
#

that won't include fights over what the subgroup should be. Poor criteria πŸ˜„

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actually a good one. let's take that.

desert python
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If you wanna fight - let's that be who made that livery! Mine will be top! 🀣

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I have one question though... Leipzig or Hamburg?

wraith kiln
#

in case you're talking about SVT's...

desert python
#

Koln?

wraith kiln
#

why not both?

desert python
#

πŸ” it is

wraith kiln
#

well, i won't discuss THIS πŸ˜„

#

but once this is finished, it'll be rather easy to kitbash the other ones.

ocean roost
#

my bad, its a fliirt 3

#

But the Cantus Flirt 2s are missing

desert python
ocean roost
#

oh geez thats looking nice

stray nova
ocean roost
#

Do you mind, if i collect the whole liveries?

stray nova
#

I’ve already got a fairly strong list going

#

The middle cars need to be redone for the flirt anyway

ocean roost
#

allright good

desert python
#

πŸ”

ocean roost
#

holy, now im pretty hyped

desert python
desert python
#

ok, now you may hype

stray nova
#

BR BLUE GREY SVT137

ocean roost
#

very very neat!

desert python
#

Uploaded them all, so... It's up to @wraith kiln now to code them

ocean roost
#

Are u only draw the Flying hamburger, or also another of those DR 137?

desert python
#

that's not a flying one

ocean roost
#

it isnt?

desert python
#

Flying one have squished cab

ocean roost
#

Aaaah truie

#

true*

wraith kiln
#

Holy cow, that went fast.

wraith kiln
stray nova
#

i am very angry

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lmao

#

nah its cool

#

btw what formations u gonna go with?

#

i can see if i can get the IC livery done first

wraith kiln
#

Na, I want to have that done.

We spoke about some formations, idk which exactly. Got them in the PM's

stray nova
#

ill finish the ic rn then

desert python
#

since they are similar - why not?

ocean roost
#

oooh ET11

stray nova
#

IC MΓΌnchen - ZΓΌrich Talgo is done

ocean roost
#

Wait, MΓΌnchen-ZΓΌrich had a talgo?

stray nova
stray nova
#

but the plan was to run a talgo set fully day config and a diesel lok for the un-leccy service

#

then the 2008 financial crisis hit

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no more money for trains

#

the IC is at the bottom

ocean roost
#

Ah right, they planned to Expand the EC Barcelona-ZΓΌrich to Munich i remembered

wraith kiln
#

Looking supreme. I'll get that done tonight.

ocean roost
#

So it would be also the ICE-L if i correctly recognize it?

stray nova
#

nah

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ICE-L is new

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very new

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part of the new TALGO 6's

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DSB are ordering them along with RENFE and DB

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these were gonna be modified talgo 5's

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this but longer

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actually no

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exactly that

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bit shorter

ocean roost
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Yes i know, iΒ΄ll get 2024 training on those, to attend to them on the route Hamburg-Oberstdorf

stray nova
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i would guess that renfe would order them as well

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considering they have ordered every talgo set up to now

ocean roost
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Btw Taklgo, what about the Strizh=

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?*

stray nova
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Strizh is a talgo 5 or 6

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can't remember

ocean roost
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But, how big are those difference in ottd?

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differences*

stray nova
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quite big

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there alot wider

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if u want a strizh look at xUSSR

ocean roost
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Allright ^^

desert python
desert python
stray nova
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can imagine

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this wasn't easy

desert python
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Especially when same wagons attached in reversing order

stray nova
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at least the car names are given for the DB one

desert python
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There are two different types of "strizh" that uses same names for absolutely different wagons...

ocean roost
stray nova
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i mean yeah the reverable coaches are a pain

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xussr must just be a main to make lmao

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also considering its been on the go since 2006

desert python
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Counted - 11 types of wagons in Strizh...

ocean roost
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Okay, then nvm xD

wraith kiln
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finished

stray nova
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very cool

wraith kiln
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srsly amazing one. love the look of it.

stray nova
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talgo's are just cool

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this on the drive? i wanna have a look

wraith kiln
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I'll just upload it.

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done

desert python
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Looks great! I guess that bright side is caused by GoRender?

wraith kiln
desert python
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Will require some realignments in this one...

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1/2 of size longer than 423. 2 heads ads up to full 1 size... which should go somewhere in the middle.

wraith kiln
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tired of 420's? Take a 430 instead! Looks very promising - as always πŸ™‚

desert python
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So may as well reuse 423 for 432 (422 middle wagons)?

wraith kiln
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There are some differences in the roof, yeah.

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430 got that kind of a railing

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Which 422 doesn't have.

wraith kiln
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just a quick question on the n-coaches: Does someone know of any other (domestic) liveries except Karlsruher Zug?

mortal bobcat
wraith kiln
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these are UIC-X coaches.

mortal bobcat
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oh

wraith kiln
spare gorge
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Maybe some in Mint-blau (Interregio)?

desert python
wraith kiln
desert python
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That's fine, will do 430 some time

desert python
wraith kiln
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Oh good one. Not sure if the CityBahn Coaches had commercials, but the silver ones did have banners sometime. Since I'll re-do those sometime, that'll definetly get added.

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just found Bwegt and GfF liveries. that'll make 10 different liveries for that coach + commercial banners.

nocturne wyvern
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@wraith kiln rn traveling, when im back from aachen i can help

gritty condor
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Yellow-mint?

wraith kiln
gritty condor
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Im not sure. I thougt i read something about Bombardier

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Stadler kiss seems to be correct

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Im not an expert with this things

wraith kiln
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after a quick look it seems like ODEG does only have MU's

gritty condor
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What is a MU? Modular Unit?

wraith kiln
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Multiple Unit