Will M's GRF Things

[sly creek]

The politics of this area are Not Good but I didn't move here for good politics.

I moved here because it was affordable.

[echo bay]

i dont see any benefit to being unusually politcally informed

[sly creek]

Right now there isn't. Locally I need to keep an eye out so I can show up and give support for things like building electricity infrastructure.

Apparently controversial out here 🙃

[echo bay]

oh yeah local stuff is more interesting tbh

[sly creek]

"Lincolnshire Against Needless Destruction" say that instead of pylons they should dig up the ground to bury electrical supply cables.

[echo bay]

but nationally its just a case of either voting for a centrist in red or getting some degree of right wing nut job in blue, purple or turquoise

[sly creek]

Tragically in the UK you cannot currently vote for a Maoist.

[echo bay]

well you can according to the telegraph

[sly creek]

Or anyone who will do what the country needs (BUILD HOUSES, OH GOD JUST BUILD SOME FUCKING HOUSES)

[sly creek]

The telegraph makes politicians sound so much cooler than they actually are 🙁

Give us Red Ed Redemption.

[echo bay]

i think the new generic white man from labour wants to build more houses

[sly creek]

He does want to build more houses, but not too many!

[echo bay]

so they can be sold off to international companies because we have no laws stopping people without a passport buying proprty here

[echo bay]

right???

[sly creek]

Build some houses so that housing costs go down so that people can afford to do more with their money than survive.

Oh and put the sulphur back in the boat fuel.

[echo bay]

the housing costs will go down for black rock

and landlords

[sly creek]

fucking LIE

it's NOT IDLING

STOP REVVING IT

[echo bay]

this is one thing i like about denmark, outside of copenhagen the house prices are cheaper than here

[olive lily]

I need this put its the popping of a 313 spirax valve

[echo bay]

idk what's going on in london

[echo bay]

ahahaha

[sly creek]

If Rugby still has a Thunderbird in the bay platforms I should go there and just record 3 hours of Rugby station ambience.

I will get arrested for doing it but it'll be worth it.

[echo bay]

what'd they even arrest you for

not saying they wouldnt tho

justice system in this country is a joke

[sly creek]

Leaving a zoom recorder on the platform on a little tripod and watching it from 30 metres away? Oh, whatever they felt like honestly.

[echo bay]

30 is a bit far

someone will nick it before you even have a chance of being arrested

[sly creek]

Rugby always felt like a very safe station to me.

[echo bay]

fair, i aint been there but i cant imagine just leaving something more than a few M from me like that

unless i knew literally no one was around

[olive lily]

I've only been to rugby briefly when changing but I've always liked that the platforms are red brick, makes them look a little nicer compared to just asphalt

not sure when that was put in

[echo bay]

i couldnt even place it on the map tbh

[sly creek]

in the WCML upgrade

[echo bay]

my knowledge of uk geography below like, sheffield, is non existent

[olive lily]

rugby is just to the east of birmingham, and its where the wcml splits, one going into bham via coventry, and then one avoiding bham

[echo bay]

ive been south a bunch of times but it was always to like

wales

or weston super mare

[sly creek]

proof that i have been to rugby

[echo bay]

ive been to london 2 times and both were during legoland holidays, it was quite nice in july of 2005

but i didnt like it so much the other time i went

too busy

[olive lily]

always loved the ews logo, for mostly furry reasons

[sly creek]

the three beasties were great, yeah

the big version ruled

[echo bay]

[sly creek]

if you hang around too long without a fursona a fursona WILL be assigned to you

[echo bay]

the EWS livrey is good tho

[sly creek]

unattended users will be asked what their favourite animal is

[echo bay]

best friend of 18 years is a furry and i am still pure

wait

18 that dosnt sound right

fuck

it might be 19

i met him whn i was in year 7

and i am 29 now

[echo bay]

swan

do your worst

failing that i am rather fond of geese and seagulls

[sly creek]

seagull would be an objectively funny fursona

[olive lily]

quite a based pick tbh, you dont see many swan sonas suprisingly

[olive lily]

I know two people with gull sonas, both play openttd lmao

[sly creek]

just go absolutely feral and start sweating profusely whenever you see someone eating chips on the street

[echo bay]

people dont like these birds because they're aggressive or bastards

i like these birds because they're aggressive or bastards

[sly creek]

swans aren't really bastards in my experience

[echo bay]

i am cursed

[sly creek]

i give them plenty of room

geese though

woof

[echo bay]

ive been walking through parks and had swans come up to be just to be cunts

[sly creek]

ask any british furry about the geese at the NEC hilton hotel

[echo bay]

like yeah, they was with their kids, but i was literally here first

they swam over to me from across a lake to be cunts

geese dont bother me at all

like

emotionally

i remember in york some guy was walking his dog and they were cornered by a fucking goose

i honked at the bastard thing and it fucked off

[vivid token]

There is a vehicle_is_flipped switch you can use for this behaviour

[olive lily]

i swear theres more goose shit on the ground than actual concrete between the hilton and resorts world. I would not step foot anywhere near in suit

[vivid token]

So trains (and horses) don't moonwalk

[echo bay]

i know my friend goes to something in manchester

[sly creek]

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[echo bay]

like a furry con there

[sly creek]

this was my solution

[ocean bluff]

I think I went to a Star Trek convention there once. Much geese.

[vivid token]

Oh yikes

[sly creek]

https://kentrail.uk/92031_NEC_Birmingham_12_6_2001.jpg

this pic is somehow funny to me

the shit I've seen in that car park

[vivid token]

Im in bed and barely awake im not gonna act like I understand that

[sly creek]

(lots of fire drills)

[olive lily]

[sly creek]

don't worry about it

[echo bay]

all you furries are degenerates istg

[olive lily]

also this is amazing

[sly creek]

can't hear you + planning a nice little bbq with my friends + happily married + no bitches?

[echo bay]

i was at my friends and he legit whipped out a greggs sausage roll fleshlight just to show me it

and he's one of the normaler ones

[sly creek]

hey that was a limited edition

please don't send this conversation to my boss thx

[echo bay]

THE FACT YOU KNOW ABOUT IT

[sly creek]

it's not appropriate to go into further details on the openttd discord

[olive lily]

wait until you learn about the train... actually not going to elaborate further

[sly creek]

shit there was a train wasn't there

[echo bay]

i know there's train plushies

[olive lily]

this is insanely off topic as it is sorry for ruining your grf chat will 😭

[sly creek]

Plush 🤨

Who said anything about plush

[echo bay]

oh

[echo bay]

i do wonder if either of you know him but i dont wanna like, give out his name to randoms yk

[olive lily]

my collection (has actually grown since then lmao)

[sly creek]

I don't know him, I know like six people now.

[olive lily]

ive moved house and had to stop myself from buying more simpily because i dont have any shelves to put em on yet here

[sly creek]

When you turn 30 you just find the 5 nearest, coolest people and make them your social circle.

[echo bay]

one of these haunts m

idk which

ive seen too much

[sly creek]

is one on top french?

lookin kinda RATP

[olive lily]

nah its the new dlr trains

[sly creek]

ohhhh

[olive lily]

B24 I think?

[sly creek]

don't ask me i don't fw clankers

[echo bay]

its the bombardier aventra that haunts me

the white and purple one

[sly creek]

friendly aventra

[olive lily]

good air con tho

[echo bay]

i aint been on it

i just seen the plushie or something in contexts i didnt want

[sly creek]

tch

that was a HST anyway

[olive lily]

we regularly get new hoss updates and now getting wolfp update, uk openttd fans eating good

[echo bay]

hoss?

[olive lily]

iron horse x3

[echo bay]

ooo

"x3"

this fucking emoji

[olive lily]

SORRY

[echo bay]

hahahahahaha

[olive lily]

lmfao

[sly creek]

i use :3c and :9 mostly

[echo bay]

what's the diff between :3c and normal :3

[sly creek]

:3c is raising his little kitty paw up to his mouth

[echo bay]

i just associate :3 with twinks and femboys

[sly creek]

^-^

[olive lily]

you have to use :> and ovo now you're officially a swan

[echo bay]

ooo

[sly creek]

Publish

fingies crossed nothing is fucked

i dont think I changed any vehicle IDs so upgrade should be easy

[echo bay]

oh i miss using -_- at people

[olive lily]

shall report back!

[sly creek]

i didn't write a changelog because i am a dumbfuc

[echo bay]

mood

[olive lily]

changelog
-horses no longer moonwalk
-everything else is irrelevant

[echo bay]

xd

im gonna try and go back to doing heightmap stuff, if i can focus enough

[sly creek]

check the params

[olive lily]

lmfaooooooooo

Extremely minor graphical bug, the padded cell cars have a small bit of pink on the intermediate cars where i presume the rear lamp is supposed to not be

also on the purchase menu too

other cars seem fine

[ocean bluff]

But they're underground trains
So no-one sees them. Problem solved 😛

[sly creek]

must have missed them in the processing pipeline, i'll sort it out

the tail lamp/eotd pipeline is fairly complex

[ocean bluff]

and oooh new version, will DL pronto

[olive lily]

yeah i can imagine, the results look absolutely fantastic atleast, love seeing my trains terminate and their headlights actually swapping

[sly creek]

crap probably a bunch of the tubes are messed up

i'll figure out a fix

Yeah, all tubes are bad, let me just fix that.

The way headlights work is that there are a set of unused pinks in the OpenTTD palette so I've assigned each of them a meaning (headlight, tail-light, front/rear, EOTD with steady/flashing light) and a build step goes through and recolours each model to make a "lights off" version, and then it produces a transparent overlay model for headlights front, taillights front, headlights rear, taillights rear.

Then we render the 4 light permutation models in each possible orientation and use a sprite stack to render those on top.

It adds a loooot of sprites to the render pipeline and a lot of sprites to compile but I think the results are really good.

[olive lily]

insane amount of work but 100% worth it, it looks so damn good

[sly creek]

just waiting for sprites to finish rendering and then 10 minutes to build the nml

[sly creek]

it's fixed good enough, i missed resetting the purchase sprites but you'll live for now

And new version uploaded.

[sly creek]

I blew up my working environment, let's find out how long the rebuild takes on my 2nd rate gaming PC.

[tardy ridge]

I like the idea that your command line is impressed by your sprites.

Ooooooo! 👀

[sly creek]

Making the machine sweat is my goal.

[sly creek]

it takes 4 hours to render all the sprites and 25 minutes to make the first nml build, for the curious.

[sly creek]

a bounty: if anyone can get me some rough dimensional drawings of the eurotunnel rolling stock (passenger shuttle/truck shuttle/truck driver lounge car/class 9 locomotive) i will, in addition to adding all the eurotunnel stock to the current set, give them anything they want in this stupid train set within 30 days of deliver.

private owners are annoying. i am slightly intoxicated and for the avoidance of doubt this is not a request in a professional capacity.

[olive lily]

Not great but I found this which shows length / wheel spacing

In beautiful low res

[sly creek]

no that is better than any i've seen

if it has the rolling stock (even just the bogie centers distance and the overall length) that'd be even better

[olive lily]

Sadly not, but I shall keep looking around!

[sly creek]

the rolling stock is so big that i'm fairly sure it'll break OpenTTD at the existing scale, but it's worth a try.

[olive lily]

This one doesn't have size but shows how absurdly large those car shuttle are lol. No clue if it's up to scale or anything

[sly creek]

it's probably very close

the ET class 9s are too big to be towed to Loughborough but not by that much I think.

[olive lily]

Finding absolutely nothing at all online 😭

Found this on railforums, no source tho

Loading gauge is GB+ so it seems they've basically built the car wagons to perfect fit the gauge

[sly creek]

I guess these days if you reversed at St Pancras you could drive an ET Class 9 all the way on your own if you didn't mind shaving every platform on the midland main line

[olive lily]

The wagons would demolish the platforms tho haha

[sly creek]

oh the wagons don't stand a chance those things are gigantic

the loco itself is quite bad too, the reason we didn't get mk4s on the MML was gauge clearance

[olive lily]

Apparently this book: has diagrams with specs of the class 9 💀

[sly creek]

I have been meaning to grab that book for a while.

I really want the mk1/mk2 coaches books but those are long since out of print and expensive.

[olive lily]

Wish lumo had gone with the mk4s/91s for their sterling run as originally planned , wouldve been so much nicer than the meridians and actually electric 😭

[sly creek]

I wish Grand Central's mk4 sets hadn't died because of Covid but that's life.

[olive lily]

Know someone who worked at grand central during that time, was extremely upsetting to the team morally as they'd all been working so hard on it

[sly creek]

I guess I'll buy this for £4 and see if it's got anything good inside!

[olive lily]

Only other thing I've found is this, but again, not super useful sadly

[sly creek]

lmao "fat shuttle"

[olive lily]

In the same book

[shy linden]

that massively helps

[echo bay]

Ask in train groups online

I was able to get a full scan of a Danish booklet from the early 90s about trains that never left the drawing board

[sly creek]

i am already in the train group to end all train groups but i can buy a book

[ocean bluff]

I'd happily demolish the entire Midland Main Line 😛

[sly creek]

I'll agree to it but only if we get to go back in time and prevent the GWR from ever having existed.

[shy linden]

agreed

[ocean bluff]

Thirded. And we keep the GCR open at all costs

[shy linden]

the gwr never needed to exist really if you think about it

the M4 goes that way its good enough

[ocean bluff]

or if we allow the GWR to exist, it has to remain Broad Gauge

[shy linden]

they would have to invest in electrics like the other 3

[olive lily]

@sly creek a friend has a book on locos and scanned in a bunch of pages on the class 9 for me

[olive lily]

The rolling stock scans!

[ocean bluff]

Noice

[olive lily]

god the size of those car wagons are just mental, look like something the combine would run

[sly creek]

hell yeah

you win the bounty @olive lily

i would not be surprised if those are the scans in the book i bought

[olive lily]

do i get to select a train to be added then, because i have one in mind that you will probably fucking hate me for

[sly creek]

blank cheque, fuck my shit up

[ocean bluff]

Fell Diesel 😛

[sly creek]

if you fuck my shit up too bad it might take more than 30 days

fell's ALREADY ON THE LIST and isn't that hard

(other than having animations)

[olive lily]

So theres going to either be absolutely infinite details, or absolutely no details about this train online, so totally unstandable if you dont want to do it, im not going to hold you too it (and if it takes longer than 30 days i also dont mind)

the class 895, aka the HS2 trains

[ocean bluff]

(I figured the animations made it painful)

[sly creek]

who got the contract for these?

[olive lily]

Alstom/Bombardier

[sly creek]

Hitachi X Alstom?

[olive lily]

oh yeah actually hitatchi too

[sly creek]

if they look like that i'll be amazed

[ocean bluff]

You just want Will to google "High Speed Hitatchi" don't you? 😛

[sly creek]

You think I don't know what a hitachi mr. buzzy looks like?

[olive lily]

25KV powered for your pleasure

[sly creek]

Such innocence.

No with how they fall apart you definitely don't want 25kv in one.

[ocean bluff]

https://klipy.com/gifs/ainsley-harriott

but to be serious, those trains look interesting

[olive lily]

they do look good, as will said, its the uk so it probably will end up looking like ass, but theyre nice plans

[sly creek]

No they'll probably end up looking good.

Check out what the original Pendolino/Voyager concepts looked like.

[olive lily]

i believe they where pretty on point iirc, mainly cuz they had those beautiful 2000s 3d renders where everything is mega shiny

[sly creek]

nooooo

[olive lily]

oh my fuck

[sly creek]

voyager first, pendo second

absolutely atrocious

[olive lily]

they are absolutely horrific, especially the voyager

the pendo looks a bit like a 180 tbh

one trains that i really loved the look of, was one of the applications to the HS2 rolling stock- the Aeroliner 3000, which was a plan to have a double deck train fit into the UK loading gauge by making it low floor. In reality would've been absolutely horrible to ride on as the top deck did not have much space at all, but

enjoy breaking your neck

[ocean bluff]

I thought we'd got away from goppingly awful HSTs after the Class 41 and the APT-E

Yeaaah as a 6ft 2 man, that top deck is just several hours of neck pain

[sly creek]

no matter what happens with HS2 the reality is this:

we should have bought some shit off the shelf from Siemens

[olive lily]

agreed, and same for the signalling too, i had no fuckin clue until recently that HS2 wanted a bespoke, unique signalling system, rather than using something standard like ECTS (which they have now confirmed they will use, thank fuck)

[sly creek]

ETCS isn't standardized at all, because it has EU-brain.

[olive lily]

well yeah thats true but its a bit better than them just doing their own thing for some reason

[ocean bluff]

That does feel very much like "how do we make this already willy shrinkingly expensive project even MOAR expensive for no reason"

[sly creek]

There's the "national" customizations which are all absolutely stupid.

And then there's the vendor-defined customizations which are all stupid.

And then there's the fact that ETCS standardises some things but does not strictly standardise the interoperability.

So there's no guarantee that Thales shit works with Siemens shit.

My firm belief is that moving block/CBTC based train signalling is a gimmick.

You can get rid of the track circuit if you really must. You can get rid of the axle counter if you really, really must.

But at the end of the day don't trust the train to tell you where it is.

The train is a lying pile of crap made by the worst companies on planet earth.

LZB should be good enough for everyone.

[olive lily]

idk, i kinda agree except in some extremely specific examples, mainly metros that absolutely neeed the capacity, i.e. the victoria line, or line 14 in paris. when you get down to less than 1 minute intervals

[sly creek]

if you built the victoria line today

you'd build the elizabeth line

and the elizabeth line doesn't actually need it's maximum frequency mode except when recovering from disruption

the elizabeth line gets its capacity back by having long, wide trains.

[olive lily]

The victoria line doesnt have moving block, and its very apparent when you have like a 15 second delay because someone got stuck in a door, often you have trains sat at the entrance of platforms, because one is leaving a platform and it has to wait for it to move out the block, where as in line 14 the trains start moving foward. Saves about 10-20 seconds but when you're running with such insane intervals its a massive help

[sly creek]

It does have CBTC though.

Moving block is kinda whatever, I don't think anything really uses it.

[olive lily]

i think this is basically the only case where it really helps, but it does help here tbf

is it fun to watch one of the other trains slowly stalk behind you during disruption haha

[ocean bluff]

Jaws theme on train horns

[sly creek]

You can have that in the US if you want, just have most signals be permissive and let the driver pass them on sight 🙂

(obviously you do that with absolutely no train protection system, because the US is insane)

[ocean bluff]

Yeah that got me as well "So you guys keep having accidents, so you either need ATP on all your services, or they can't go above 55mph"
"Okay, so, we'll just go 55mph then, screw you"

[olive lily]

"we dont need train protection if something happens we die like men"

[ocean bluff]

kills HSR in the US

[sly creek]

What they've done now is design an ATP system that doesn't actually work.

[ocean bluff]

American ingenuity that

[sly creek]

PTC via GPS is just a joke, it can't possibly work.

But what it is, and this is very important, is cheap to implement.

Problematic for me as person who in the future has to make a PTC simulation for gamers that provides the same sort of driver experience.

@olive lily what do you think, it's going to look a bit like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zefiro_(train)#Zefiro_V300

in a formation rather like the Eurostar E320

(same door config)

it's a bit... E320 with a TGV-M nose

[olive lily]

toooo be fair, i think that was the 2012 Zefiro design, so honestly i think it would probably be closer to the renders we've got so far, especially since HS2 have been putting those renders up everywhere at this point lmao

but yeah, door layout is like the e320

honestly its probably one of those ones where you could be a little creative and kinda go how you feel is best

[sly creek]

it's a bit slimmer than an e320, I assume the formation is like DM-PM-TS-(R?)TS-TS-PM-DM

who am i kidding why would there be catering on HS2?

there's not even going to be phone service or a view

[olive lily]

strangely, alstom mentions it being 8 car on thier page, but wikipedia says 7 cars, with the source locked behind a paywall, but theyre confirmed to be 200m long to couple into 400m long pairs

https://www.alstom.com/press-releases-news/2021/12/hitachi-and-alstom-win-order-build-and-maintain-high-speed-two-trains-britain

this is their press release which says 8 cars long

[sly creek]

probably confusion between the spec for classic compatible sets and dedicated high speed sets

[olive lily]

seeeems like 8 car is the actual answer, but ill keep lookin around

[sly creek]

just tell me what spec you want and i'll figure it out lol

[olive lily]

also lmao yeah, probably a trolley service if that 💀

[sly creek]

speaking of

thinking of forking timberwolf's tracks

i won't go crazy with speed limits or anything

but do we want a dedicated high speed line type with TVM/ETCS block markers instead of signals?

maybe shiny white ballast too

[olive lily]

Do 8 car, 360kph, rest is up too you :3

[sly creek]

🙂

[olive lily]

that would be very cool, hell yeah

[serene garnet]

The battersea bullet train 😀

[sly creek]

it looks like a bullet alright

[serene garnet]

So there's a design from this that I find quirky

A double deck suburban train on the apt wheel set

[olive lily]

Fun fact,: at one point is was proposed to have video screens rather than windows.

Could you imagine how quickly some 1995 3d render would age on this haha

[sly creek]

where are the passenger's legs meant to go?

[serene garnet]

😭

[olive lily]

The orb era

[sly creek]

at least with the VIRM or double-deck RER trains they make sense!

[serene garnet]

Oh my bad

It looks to be pacer

Imagine a double deck pacer 😭

[sly creek]

Pacer is APT wheel set 😛

[echo bay]

Reminds me of the stuff LNER run now

[sly creek]

(so the legend goes)

[serene garnet]

Looks quirky yet I like it

[echo bay]

Leyland Olympian

[serene garnet]

Oh yeah there's this

[olive lily]

Also all this just to run a 3 minute journey at like 20 mph

[sly creek]

I don't know how I feel about the 'Class 93'. For one it looks stupid.

And for two it doesn't really offer anything over a class 91.

[serene garnet]

Oh yeah they were gonna build this bit uhhhhh political shenanigans

[sly creek]

They were never going to build it, I assume it was actually a political gambit from the get-go.

[serene garnet]

Oh they were going to build it but budget fall short

[sly creek]

for where?

the west coast main line?

[serene garnet]

Major upgrade of its suburban and commuter Electric Multiple Unit (EMU) rolling stock on Network SouthEast, with the introduction of the Networker series as well as the construction of the Channel Tunnel lines.

[sly creek]

the ic250?

[serene garnet]

And upgrading the wcml

[serene garnet]

For the east cost

[sly creek]

upgrading the wcml was what they wanted to do and they might well have designed the IC250 to say "well if you let us upgrade the wcml before it falls apart you'll get this shiny new train" but they were never going to build something like that without the infrastructure to match.

[serene garnet]

Hmmmmmmm

[sly creek]

but they weren't going to build a fleet of 155mph trains for the WCML in the 90s. If they'd got the upgrades they would have been very happy running at 110mph as they did for years.

Just more reliably and with less conflict with local services.

[serene garnet]

Ok that's a new information added to my goo goo brain

[sly creek]

That's like, my opinion.

I don't think the IC250 project was very serious. BR hadn't forgotten why the APT was a failure, and they were just about to prove that the 91s didn't need to operate at 140.

[olive lily]

Imo, the 250 wouldn't have happened I agree, but if BR hadn't have fallen, we probably would've got some sort of derivative of it to replace the push pull services in the 2000s, that's basically the only way it would've happened

But yeah I think the writing was on the wall for BR at that point and they knew it

[sly creek]

(the APT was a failure because a very fast train takes up 3x more 'space' than a medium-fast train)

[ocean bluff]

Speaking of APTs...found this site today

https://www.apt-p.com/APTConfigurations.htm

[serene garnet]

I feel like they din't give br a chance with the apt

[ocean bluff]

the APT-S and APT-T with actual locos looks very cool

[sly creek]

I think you can do all of these in my set, maybe not the van-ended articulated sets in APT-U

Excuse me, non-articulated apt-U sets.

I could make a coach but I won't they're silly.

[ocean bluff]

Do you have the APT loco thingies? (I am not sure what to call them or what class they'd be)

Dat

[ocean bluff]

Sexy

[sly creek]

wait isn't the voxels for that the header image for this thread?

[ocean bluff]

I am only just in 1948 so these things are mucho in the future but, I look forwards

Oh, derp yes it is

Did you go with a class name or just APT-U? (or eDP3/1, which feels clumsy)

[sly creek]

The most speculative stuff (okay forgive me the big class 51... and the goofy dual-voltage 442) doesn't get a class number

[ocean bluff]

Righto, lots of fun APT based goodness, and more

[serene garnet]

Add the double deck pacer 🙂

[sly creek]

If I did the electric 158 that a few transport fever modders knocked up I would probably call it a class 358 for the jokes

[serene garnet]

Would be really funny

[sly creek]

I mean, double-deck olympian body on a railcar we can look at but there might be clearance issues.

Not as bad as the eurotunnel stock will have.

[stiff acorn]

Yet another case of me forgetting this server exists, i come back with another few ideas for things to add that were built irl but were few in number and a bit crap : The LNER P1 & P2 mikados, the Thompson A1/1, the D600 Warships, and the Raven A2 pacifics.

[ocean bluff]

I would love those, but alas I believe Will has said hes not doing steam engines. I shall have to figure out how to do the voxel thing myself I guess 😄 (we need a 2-4-2T and a more generic, less GWR 0-6-2T as well as the pre-grouping LNWR, NER and LSWR are badly in need of them)

[sly creek]

I didn't say never. I understand how to make them now.

Also gotta say, Hush-Hush is a nice looking loco.

[serene garnet]

Same for this one

[sly creek]

turbomotive?

it's hideous

[serene garnet]

Not nice 👁️ 👁️

Fun fact before the 9f was envisioned as a 2-10-0 they intend it as a 2-8-2

[sly creek]

https://github.com/WolfieFox/wolfiewolfs_trains/issues/16

Next page in the book is the Taff Vale Class A 0-6-2T, but there's also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taff_Vale_Railway_O1_class

What 2-4-2T do you want?

[vivid token]

How about a LNER F7?

Derpy little things with a massive cab

[sly creek]

Known as "Gobblers" due to their excessive fuel consumption, they were not a great success and many were withdrawn before Grouping in 1923.
(of the F4 class) I love when a loco has a derogatory nickname

LNER "Not very good" class

The Ruston 48 being a "Really Useless Engine" is because someone who dealt with one on a heritage line instantly told me how crap they are when I said I'd modelled one.

[vivid token]

Incredible

[sly creek]

I am working on it I swear.

[sly creek]

It really is going to be like a Class 374 cut in half.

And not just because that's where I'm starting from with the sprites

[sly creek]

I don't really love the door layout or the underframe yet

need more reference material. Could easily go to 2 doors per side.

also the sprites might be skrunkly because i've been messign with some other stuff

[olive lily]

Ooooooooh! That looks great so far!

[sly creek]

The dark area around the cab needs more of a curve from the isometric pov and I wanted to make it a bit pointier but I don't think that's happening.