Rico Archipelago Map

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yes

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yeah that makes sense

Barcelona is this

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bus 221

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very cool

this works well with bus220

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yes

zomerdijk is a bit city

they might get extra pendelbussen

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ringlijn?

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no

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rip

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this connects very poorly to the trains

only southward

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jammer

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Buses

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heel goed

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bus 224

bus 225

also new stoptreinen

I love it when stuff connects by chance

im noticing a weird big where trains arent running on their scheduled times

and the in game timer still says 'on time'

wtf is happening

!jgr

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https://github.com/JGRennison/OpenTTD-patches/releases

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23-37

24-38

why the fuck is it doing this

"on time"

it drifted to 26-40 now

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different tick times between save and client?

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It has to be something with ticks

every single service does this

it wasnt like this I swear

game is literally unplayable now

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ping JGR

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this is the weirdest bug ever

it always happens at one station

actually no

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anyways new map

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@flint island Rico has an issue with changing timings, can you help him?

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I put it in the jgr channel

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oh wait

woops

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The issue is 0 minute stops

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r

@warm jewel rate buses

these cities are very big so they will very likely get extra buses

but I will see how these lines manage at first

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does grou behelp need to exist

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they are pretty large towns

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hmm

big area with no trains here cool

how do you feel about a kortgerecht - peelbos station direct route

I think this would be good

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hmm

what serves peebos then

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you could do

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peebos is like 80 people btw

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Peelbos - Kortgerecht - Peelbos station - Peelbos maybe

and have doorgaande lijnen skip Peelbos

or maybe have a Peelbos provinciale weg halte

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I might make like a two hourly bus for this

you dont really want to serve places like this properly

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hm

I think fast connections to rail should be a priority for large enough places

im gonna analyse this a bit more later

cause this is quite a big area

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Okay

The problem with more frequent buses is that all trains are basically hourly

So what I'm thinking is just having an additional layer of hourly express buses on top of the other lines

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hmm

yea

I think this does make sense

more routevarianten that are kinda parallel

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The question is which lines should get these buses

I think like this

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im gonna look at this again

i dont love whats happening in strijen

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Same

I don't want too much redundancy either

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what are like

important stations here

or is it all roughly equivalent

mosselaar looks like the only big place really

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Important directions

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would strijen to wachtum bus make sense

based on this i would think so

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lines on maps

lets turn this into doorgaande verbindingen

i think this is my proposal

if you want to serve kortgerecht to like mosselaar you could maybe do that as well with the already proposed 238 thats not a bad line really

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Nice

Do you have any express buses

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i think none of these need to be explictly express

you could say that like

my 232 is express

but it still stops everywhere along its route id think

if you would want any expresses they would go on top of this

maybe a bus that does the 233 but only stops at pieterzijl and strijen

theres like on possible route that would make life easier for a few towns as well

this would maybe also be faster to strijen

in black

just noticed strijen has a fun koppeling as well thats possible

this is a nice side effect of my 232 going the other route

you can join the 233 and 232

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I will not join those

I think black line is good

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hmm

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And I'll add a 230x

Then it's good I think

Also I'll switch how 235 and 236 are coupled

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230x is just strijen straight to spakenburg?

also why do that

westdijk to peelbos isnt really a super useful connection

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Looks better on the map

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peelbos to onderdendam/alvershool is more useful i think

nice

good reason

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Yes

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also this makes my black line less useful

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But I don't know for Strijen it might be more worth to go south and then train

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because onderdendam - gerner station will just be dubbel

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Black line will stop nowhere I think

Also I'll evaluate it later for demand anyways

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actually not quite i looked at it wrong

black line being non stop is cool kinda

even though this would be nice a stopping service too

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The 233 kinda is the stopbus

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yea

i guess it doesnt really need to stop because onderdendam will have a connection to gerner station

so nijken and kallenkote will as well

is the bigger thing

even though these arent very relevant places

if you want good express bus inspiration look at new zawa concession

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Maybe have only stopbussen first

And then see what happens

If things get too busy I'll add express buses

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alright

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@warm jewelfinal bus map

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230b

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yes I basically cant fit in more numbers

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peelbos hegge line cool

nice changes i think

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I dotn really like how 235 ends but I dont know a logical other place to ho

I think extending to peebos would be redundant

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double numbers. this si good to fuck with bus lijn nummer fappprrs

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this would fuck with tico

rico

i already convinced him to do double numbers once

and then he switched back

because it fucked with his lijn nummer fapperij

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I know which numbers are in which region roughly

wait I could map this

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im surprised you did they 236 the way i proposed

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I didnt

its slightly different

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oh

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its more direct

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oh yes

interestinf shortcut actually

i considered having that

but then was like

this isnt actually useful

for a lot of hypothetical reizen

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hmm this misses some dorpen

maybe the long way round is better

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yeah

alvershool and onderdendam are pretty relevant

also i had it termiate in kortgerecht

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what?

oh like that

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station first

you get it

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yes

I will not do this

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i understand

238 does the job

i really should inschrijf op busconsessies

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teunbus bv

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I should make concessies on this map

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yes and custom grf with liveries

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I kinda tried this already

the only thing that would change is the colour of the buses

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no you cpuld inkscape maps and rgl folders in different styles

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I could do this

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you should calculate how many dru they are

the sizes look quite different

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this is too much work

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yes

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the sizes are based on geographic boundaries

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i understand

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and each area is kind of like a batch in which I made the buses

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this is kinda a good way to do it

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most have 1-2 cities

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jasper can take care of this

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in game or irl

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irl

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you should inschrijven rico concessies

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im willing to help you calculate dru's and shit

we must make a competitive offer

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this isnt that difficult

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yes it is teun

trying to squeeze out that one bus driver is going to make you mad

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we back

bus 241

bus 242

bus 243

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BUSSEN

cool how all of these are only for a single town

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How big is the biggest city on this map

all towns seem relatively smal

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we are temporarily back

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nice

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bus 248

bus 247

bus 245

bus 246

bus 240

bus 239

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nature is healing

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bus 238

this is a longbus

bus 230

bus 230b

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ok this is already going wrong

bus 230x

its still not enough

bus 230x will now run with two buses

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hmm bus

bus 231

bus 232

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bus 233

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very good

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bus 234

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bus 235

bus 236

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interesting setup for this area

what do you think about westdijk meerland verbinding

maybe to peelbos

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I will add that when there is demand

I want to minimize redundancy

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understandable

oh wait

this is part of what we discussed before

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I might cancel 230b as well

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i do like this area a lot

lots of sizable dorpen

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im gonna design a new area

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good luck have fun

how many DRU

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I dont count this

its gonna be on the larger island

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cool

this isnt done yet?

or is it like the other large island

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hmm yes

this should be cool

are there any ferries that require buses

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im not gonna design the buses for this in one go

I havent thought about this

but no main ferries

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you can split this into areas probably pretty easily

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I first need to build the roads

the terrain is very cool

this area will get longer bussen

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this makes sense yes

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I find that for large areas just a mesh system works best

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yes

this is irl too

how are you gonna do the peninsula

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im not sure yet

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are things gonna go just along the kust

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thinking of making one long coastal bus

then a few shuttles to the railway

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or over the mountain between each station and a town on the other side

hmm

makes sense

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the terrain is pretty difficult

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almost done road building

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nice

curious what itll look like

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im only doing the east now

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@warm jewel rate buses

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herfte

ok so

maybe run line 2 to ooster dalfsen?

potentially

you could even make like 1 go to ter aar

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2 to ooster dalfsen sounds good

its pretty big

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honestly

if aansluitingen are good this wil be a good netwerk

knopen between the north south/east west lines

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the problem with a line connecting to multiple transfer stations is that you cant really make this work unless the travel times between them are around 25 + 30n minutes

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yeah

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maatgevende overstap will always be to the train to emmadorp

because that is where the ferry comes from

wait not always

im gonna draw

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so should oud beijerland bus even go to de heide

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mo

no

wait yes

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you gotta weigh things i guess

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I hope this is clear

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look at where people go as well

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you should never really have to take two buses unless you do something weird

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interesting

yes

if youre going bus dorp to bus dorp

ulvend people maybe will take two buses

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this happens quite a lot in ttd though because the pathfinding is flawed

this doesnt matter

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maybe elst

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bus 7 might even be 1bp2h

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kinda bad

but i guess this is a bit nowhere to nowhere

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my most infrequent bus is 1bp3h

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how much faster is the train then the bus here

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where

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in the part of the map

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I dont know yet

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hm

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but the buses are generally so slow they are never worth to take it from station to station

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well yeah

but what about like

elst to ferry people

would bus4 always be faster then a route via oud beijerland

or parrega people

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I dont know how these would work out

I think for Elst it would be

7: Elst - Plaggenborg
3: Plaggenborg - Ter Aar
Trein: Ter Aar - Emmedorp

its kinda messy now

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hm

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I dont even know how many people are leaving the island

I'm gonna do a steekproef of the train stations

because they have pax already

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smart

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around 5%

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hmm

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3 people were doing this very cool

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maybe just going to nearby big places is better

very nice

how many hours of reistijd is this

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uhh

I can probably make a reisadvies for this

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reisplanner for your openttd map

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this is hogere IT

ok give my like 20 minutes to work this out

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thanks

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I assume everything is BUP all day

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bup

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basisuurpatroon

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oh yea

this makes sense

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theres like two options

actually more

the alternative kinda looks better

the reason the alternative exists is mismatch in uurdiensten

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10

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nice

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im gonna make the map and planning

only 6 transfers

You can do this as well but you end up on the same Waije-Elsenerbroek ferry because that is only hourly

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are the trains numbered by island

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j

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direct train covering all of the main island is nice

only two hours as well

i like how big this map feels

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I thought about this

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yeah

the long direct ferry is also nice

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this is the sneldienst

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j

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ferry crossing the bay is very good

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its pretty deep

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yeaa

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I have this in two other places

this is the coolest one though

this should really just be a bridge

but its cooler if it isnt

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this one is nice

yes

some places shouldnt have bridges

also it kinda wouldnt fit

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bus 1

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bus 2

34+13=47

31

bus 1 is always faster than bus 2 + train

unless you live along a bus 2-only town

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nice

is there sufficient traffic to just ter aar and beyond

i assume so

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planning more buses

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good

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was it really that difficult to give waddinxveen a station

i do really like these townnames whenever i see them

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there wouldnt be much of a point

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right just too close to zuidlaren you think

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and too far from the town itself

this wouldnt count as serving

gonna go back to timetabling the earlier lines now

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you can moce the railway in theory

but the river is annoying i guess

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I dont deviate mainlines for towns like this

if it was a branch maybe

cool section that doesnt serve any town well

bus 3

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bus

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bus 4

cool the timing is in such a way that one of the transfers has to suck

sucks for them

bus 5

one of the longest on the map

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this is the kinda line that would have had a railway before ww2

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its parallel to a rail line

I dont know what the actual longest line is

theres a few contestants

lange bussen

bus 12 has the most buses of any line on the map

because it's also half hourly

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bus12 good

this is busy right

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j

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I also remember bus50

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this is kind of fake long

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cool terrain

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I could have had longer buses if I had coupled more lines through

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is this good though

you don’t really want to koppel things over stations a lot of the time

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yes

this is why longer lines dont really exist

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bus 6

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bus 6

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these trains are getting a few extra cars

bus 7

bus 8

this will be 2 omlopen or else it cant connect to the train

theres a lot of bad transfers here tbh

@warm jewel rate buses

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this is a hard area

kinda

i like the 25 and the 24

i dont know if i like 22 21

this isnt good for like Knegsel Diemen and 't Loo

also 28/29 is lastig

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censorship 👀

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His excellency Rico the great has deemed this area unimportant

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How to fix

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there basically two ways right

either overstapknopen at the junctions

or maybe splitting up the 21/22 more

so that there’s one line all the way along the coast

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I was considering that

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and also a line that goes from both ends to the nearest station

and one ring line around the lake

23 is a bit lastig in this also

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Don't want to overserve

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I am aware

knopen can be better

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Engelen is pretty big

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basically you don’t want more buses then there are treinaansluitingen

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I think the current set up is ok

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how are the trains here btw

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Pretty empty

Because there's noway to go

But this will fix itself

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uurdienst?

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2tph

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you have sigarenzak right

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One local one express

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hmm

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.

Bottom left

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in de praktijk this is uurdiensten

will there ever be boudewijnskerke ferry you think

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Yes to a yet unserved island

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nice

I think network is basically always the most important

bussen are only as good as the overstap

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I don't really have an integral approach to the timetable

I just kind of improvise connections

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hmm

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I want to fix this next game

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you need a 1tph2 network with perfect connections

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Germany

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no germany doesnt do perfect connections

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yeah it’s kinda bad rn

they don’t bother with knopen

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riconetz

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so nice

not that much more land

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Yep

I think I can get this done before or in summer

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are you going to revise the network comprehensively after

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not extensively

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@warm jewel

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whats been added

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stuff on the western mainland

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train 86

pingjum

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kerende treinen ⭐

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yes

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erg mooi rico

hoe zit het met doorkoppeling

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this line only exists to serve these two ports

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kon dit niet gebusd worden?

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could have been

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rico keuzes

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these are pretty large towns

this line avoids a lot of cities

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pingjum is a cool dorp

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IC1

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good halteafstanden

how long is this one way

i hope like 6 hours at least

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5 hours

theres a system

IC 1 and 2

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laag ritnummer

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2 is an hour longer

these connect cross platform twice

and are both half hourly and alternate destinations

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good

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ECML/WCML moment

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except good cause rico designed it

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True

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keep wanting to evaluate the timetables for these but they’re just too sporadic

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uk bad

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r

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have fun

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bus 9

bus 10

bus 11

bus 12

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man I need to play

afkickverschijnselen

maybe this afternoon after class

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ja

ik ben op het moment nog al m’n vrije tijd in trainlog aan het steken

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I wish this was in english for gwyd to see

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this looks cool

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this looks cool

But I cannot in fact read

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bus 13

bus 14

bus 15

bus 16

this should maybe be two lines

pretty cool bus area I think

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this is hype

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bus 16 has very short transfers

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hmm

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bus 17

I've though about that jordi

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and uncircle the 20 then

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but the goil of my network is to get people to important stations quickly

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ttd time

im gonna try cargo now as an experiment

to make this possible I will expand the section where all three routes share tracks

quad track

quad track + passing loops

quad

sorry teun

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problem

my system cant really support this

I need to like zoom out

but this would mean redoing this entire diagram

fuck that

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you need lower passenger volumes to get this done probably

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im gonna make it fit

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Ohh good luck

This gets difficult but it's super satisfying when it works

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rico openend can of worms..

good luck

i trust rico brains can handle this

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gedoe

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Ok I got a pad

one problem

the freight trains have to sit here for 9 minutes

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short

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this is good

you should have timetabled waits

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me and the fella's use a signal based system

so you dont have to timetable individual trains

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first cargo train set up

now let's see if this pad actually works

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nothing wrong with freight sitting around

depending on what it is

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staaltreinen

this is Uitgeest

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natural resources are pretty bad on this map

I think funding them is a sin right

I can fund a sawmill though and make wood

new curve neede

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this is a good curve I think

well ingepast

cool tunnel also

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this should be fairly easy to pas in

the south has the cargo line and the north pretty sparse services

the end is an hourly branch

lets measure paden

nice the meettrein only has a conflict with the other cargo train

actually nvm

ok shifting by 12 minutes means this train shouldnt have to stop anywhere

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wow efficiency

or you built too much dedicated infra

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only a bit

this is 4-6 track

because too many trains

goederenpad goederenpad

how am I fitting a pad through hereh

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meettrein

there’s a big enough gap between left most and right most train in theory I think

unless your headways are big

8 minutes and expands to 20 at the bottom

I guess freight trains are probably faster then stoppers

how fast are you running them

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120kmh

They're barely faster than stopping trains

I'm gonna try the middle pad +30

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pretty quick stopping trains then

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you should reverse siding

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I ❤️ reversing siding

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@tulip scarab the official planning process goes
intercity
freight
stoppers

in the netherlands freight are always put between intercities and stoppers because

1. we do not have the facilities for frequently starting and stopping freighttrains
2. freight has a higher average speed than stoppers

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I find I fuck them up a lot and manage to make them jam lots

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me kale and zero have decided to go for a signal based slot system

the path is released based upon signal programming (time is xx)

and any train that is waiting can take that path

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I have also used this occasionally with shared running

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We have taken this quite far

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I'm not gonna replan my stoppers

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time based slots are quite easy and very reliable

[ancient creek]

its too late for that anyway

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I think Jasper just means in terms of paden

like where you should put them

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I've basically made a rule that I can't change passenger timetable

If it can't fit I'll make extra infra

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you know how usually at big stations stoppers leave after ICs

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Yes

I do this too

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freight should usually go in between because the average speed is between as well

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On my map 2tph ic and 1tph stoppers is quite common

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if you have lots of ruimte this is less of an issue

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With the ics well spread

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that leaves a nice gap

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So I do them between the ICs when there's not a stopper

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next freighht train time

only electric freight train

this will be a pain to fit in

Goederenaansluiting

[tulip scarab]

im just gonna start and see where it goes wrong

ok its not happening

alternatives are

park cargo train somewhere for 45 minutes

[ancient creek]

are you enjoying this?

[tulip scarab]

triple track

I think triple track is cooler

[ancient creek]

industrieaansluiting
industrieaansluiting

[tulip scarab]

triple track it is

[ancient creek]

wow so cool rico

this is like the opposite of emmerich

[tulip scarab]

yes

let's see if this actually works

I dont trust this schedule

[ancient creek]

rico 1tph2

[tulip scarab]

man fuck this

im gonna try over

this train gets too stuck

I missed a few mintes

now it doesnt work anyumore

found a different pad

triple track not needed anymore

[ancient creek]

rico gaming

[tulip scarab]

back to buses

[ancient creek]

🦐

[tulip scarab]

bus 17

this will be 1bp2h

[warm jewel]

dit heb je

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this isnt a very good line

dorpen

nice lijn 18 is precies twee uur

dit kan 1 bus zijn

[warm jewel]

omlopen

[tulip scarab]

dit worde best slechte aansluitingen

[warm jewel]

dit is een Arriva moment

[tulip scarab]

nice 18/42/60 spread

Eede knoop

3 tot 21 minuten overstappen in oneven uren

idk how I feel about bus 20

I think the loop has pretty low waarde

[warm jewel]

you can just make it a crescent

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sorry for repost but I lost this map

[shrewd isle]

How do you make these maps?

[warm jewel]

drawing them

[tulip scarab]

Inkscape

[versed cairn]

No central London like point

How do you live

[warm jewel]

what’s like the centrum of this map

[tulip scarab]

Zutphen is the geographic center

There's two minor islands and one big island left

[tulip scarab]

I don't have a city that's much bigger

Openttd city generation doesn't work like that

I'm gonna try this next week

You want like an exponential decline in city size

Have like a few really large cities so I can also have more like local/suburban trains

[tulip scarab]

I dont want it as bad as the UK or France

A decline more like the Netherlands is better

[warm jewel]

i should make this graph

[versed cairn]

Town creation only has small medium and large it seems

I wonder if this is an achievable patch

City population distribution goes from proportion of cities and city size multiplier

To largest initial city population and population distribution model

World gen that simulates all historical geology and civilisations

[warm jewel]

top 13

[tulip scarab]

yes this would be better for gameplay

[versed cairn]

Ah zipfs law

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rotterdam and den haag being this close in number and also geographically is nice

[versed cairn]

Does this apply for UK?

Someone has probably done this

Gloucester not mentioned 😦

[shrewd isle]

What is zipf’s law?

[warm jewel]

uk is pretty fucked

[red knot]

yeah I usually just end up creating larger metro areas with a bunch of different cities

its kinda jank but it works

still think the biggest issue with regional/suburb/metro type traffic is cargo dist

there's no real reason to use a lot that kind of rolling stock

[warm jewel]

top 50 cause i got bored i guess

[versed cairn]

While Google is free, I do love vsauce: https://youtu.be/fCn8zs912OE?si=LXhqghFjVFwmUpwB

[maiden portal]

How do you get the lines and line numbers to appear on the minimap

[versed cairn]

He doesn't

He draws them on after

[tulip scarab]

yes

[maiden portal]

I asked because it's the same pixel font

[versed cairn]

Re this: I'd love for town gen to give a large number of tiny farming villages

Or idk

Maybe this would be pointless because you can't do anything with these towns

[warm jewel]

give them dial a ride buses

theres a floor also

for small towns

[versed cairn]

There's a floor for relevance, but it can go down to a collection of a half dozen houses

If you count that as a "town"

Village I guess is more accurate

Maybe even a hamlet

[warm jewel]

i mean the floor is maybe like a single farm

or a fully abandoned but still named place perhaps

this might be called a hamlet

this is more of a very small town

generally theyre places where theres more then only farms

whereas a proper hamlet i would say here is just farms

or thats at least a category onto itself

[versed cairn]

Yeah more or less the same here

Just a small collection of harm houses and maybe some cottages

[red knot]

The town generation could use a little love even still this stuff would be nice

[versed cairn]

I like this but with the main city being orders of magnitude larger than the towns it consumes

Pretty typical situation in the UK

[versed cairn]

You do this by doing horrible things like multiple separate mainline stations serving completely different destinations

[red knot]

yep thats usually what ends up happening

but this leads to a lot of time spent city building haha

[red knot]

oh I agree but a lot of the high capacity suburban/metro low cargo aging trains never really seem to get filled up at this scale

or ever come close

most of these suburban/commuter RER type lines are running pretty infrequently with short trains and its pretty undercapacity

meanwhile 15 tile IC's running 4tph still not enough

[versed cairn]

Yeah

[versed cairn]

This happens for me, I get to the point where I split my time 50/50 between adjusting and tuning The City and everything else

I don't think I've often had massive problems with highly crowded long distance trains but I rarely do huge maps

When I get on big multiplayer games I do get highly overcrowded long distance services but I usually put that down to others just doing trains for eye candy and not bothering about demand

[ancient creek]

Slovakia

[tulip scarab]

the islands without service are towns on such a small island that I destroyed them

[ancient creek]

huisuitzettingen

[warm jewel]

beerenplaat is a good name for such a place

this is schokland

[halcyon sonnet]

when y'all guys say 2tph etc do you mean real life hours?

or what

[ancient creek]

in game hours

[halcyon sonnet]

is that part of jgrpp

[ancient creek]

yes

[halcyon sonnet]

oh

alr

[tulip scarab]

like 80% done

[ancient creek]

will you install cargo paths on the rest of the network or leave this for next game?

[stiff hatch]

the core on the main island is oversaturated.

wil you build somw LGV?

[ancient creek]

@tulip scarab did you try new jgr with better cargodist model?

[tulip scarab]

no

what does this do

[ancient creek]

People dont want to go as far

This does mean reorganizing your network slightly probably, but will cause long distance trains to be quieter

Also the new model takes forever to properly establish

So uhh

Maybe not the best to implement now

[tulip scarab]

I think my game is fairly well balanced now

most people dont go far

[tulip scarab]

bus 22 🥶

[brave sluice]

looks nice

[stiff hatch]

island with only streekbus network

[tulip scarab]

there are trains

bus 22 needs a voorbus

[warm jewel]

this is very good

[tulip scarab]

this section

2bph doesnt make sense because the train is only hourly

[warm jewel]

nice

bus610 is this

[halcyon sonnet]

this looks so cool

[tulip scarab]

bus 23

bus 24

bus 24 will no longer go to the second town

to save a bus

nice this transfer will be horrible

[warm jewel]

tunnel

[tulip scarab]

@warm jewelwhat should I do first?

trains in green, buses in red or ships in blue

[warm jewel]

I think trains green

[tulip scarab]

hmm alright

[warm jewel]

or maybe ships blue but idk

[tulip scarab]

lets think about the trains

I was thinking just this

there are some pretty large towns here so I might add sneltreinen if there is demand

it kinda depends which of these is faster

[tulip scarab]

lets first finish the buses on the island tho

5 lines to go

[warm jewel]

hsl sneltreinen

[tulip scarab]

This will definitely not happen

[versed cairn]

Long HSL or short classic line

[tulip scarab]

also this station will get vlissingened

put at a worse place for the town but better for ferries

[ancient creek]

Nice corridor model

[tulip scarab]

thanks

bus 25

bus 26

bus 27

bus 27 will be 2 hourly

*3 hourly

[warm jewel]

dit is heel naar

Almere vakantieparken lijn praktijken

[tulip scarab]

this line connects 3 dorpen

good aansluitingen tho

[stiff hatch]

this map should have been danish. all 1tph singletrack with knopen.

[tulip scarab]

bus 28

bus 29

ok trains

[warm jewel]

treindienst

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train 90

[warm jewel]

R90?

[tulip scarab]

j

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goed

I like this about Germany they don’t have duplicate rb and re nummers generally

here it’s very common

[tulip scarab]

main knoop

trains cross each other and connect to each other here

[warm jewel]

good

[halcyon sonnet]

jesus

[red knot]

rico are you ever gonna post the save

[ancient creek]

"When its done"

[warm jewel]

dit gaat misschien niet heel erg lang meer duren

[tulip scarab]

Yes

[versed cairn]

hehe Dijk

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Why is this so funny

[versed cairn]

looks like dick

[tulip scarab]

Man

I might make an express train to dyke

Dijk express

[versed cairn]

You should actually build some dykes in the area

Or like this

reclaim land

[tulip scarab]

No

This is maybe a good idea for elsewhere

[tulip scarab]

ok boot time

[tulip scarab]

@warm jewel rate buses

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geen Lauwersoog

[tulip scarab]

its gonna be part of the langenberg city bus

[tulip scarab]

I have a bright idea

@versed cairn you will like this

Neerbroek haven branch

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stopboot

this one is 1bp2h

[versed cairn]

This is exquisite

Neerbroek/Neerbroek/Neerbroek Central needs a bit of a fix

But this is very south coast coded

[tulip scarab]

I could make this even cooler if this train just doesnt connect to the ferry

also neerbroek is cool because poorly located station

I have a quite a few of these

this is the coolest I think

[river wind]

You should add an Open Access operator that causes delays wherever it goes

[versed cairn]

Despite only running like 4 trains per route per day

[river wind]

Yup

[versed cairn]

I should hack Rico's OpenTTD and add this

[warm jewel]

capaciteitsaanvragen die doelbewust conflicteren met de huidige dienstregeling

[tulip scarab]

I think this is flixtrain

In Germany

Pretty nice

[tulip scarab]

ferry 28 (very bad)

more ferries

wait its kind of wrong now

I will fxi

man I hate how I didn't think about ferries for some stations

like how am I gonna fix this

this will probably need a shitty suttle bus

[ancient creek]

belbus

[tulip scarab]

this is gonna be a major ferry terminal

map

[ancient creek]

emden auberhafen

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bus 260

bus 259

[ancient creek]

rico where is your emden auberhafen

[tulip scarab]

also here kinda

[ancient creek]

wow

super cool

[tulip scarab]

when you say it like that it sounds ironic

[ancient creek]

this is a refrence to a RE13 guard while on our way to gera

[warm jewel]

just make bus31

or you can emden ausserhafen it yes

[tulip scarab]

I don't think there's really space for a harbour station

Without doing messy thing

[warm jewel]

messy is good

boogjes

[tulip scarab]

bus 258

[warm jewel]

hogere lijnnumers

dit is wel een prima lijn

[tulip scarab]

@warm jewel more buses to rate

[warm jewel]

urbach worms

does the 266 stop at Aekinga station

and Zevenhuizen

[tulip scarab]

yes

[warm jewel]

whats the idea behind terminating at bunschoten

I guess just connect to that line

[tulip scarab]

yes

there isnt that much added value to this

because bunschoten people can just travel via dalen

[warm jewel]

244 is cool

[tulip scarab]

I dont really like 263/264

but havent found a better way to deal with this

[warm jewel]

whats wrong with them

[tulip scarab]

also though about an ubach-tempel bus but this would be overserving I think

it's just a bit messy

[warm jewel]

it’s not that bad I think

I actually quite like it

you serve both the small towns with one line

the two branches get a line to the station

[tulip scarab]

time to do some of the earlier buses

[warm jewel]

what’s the redenering behind 262 261 btw

[tulip scarab]

261 is the main line

big dorpen

the 262 just exists to serve the last one and to connect to that branch rail line

also I appear to have duplicate line numbers so I will change some

true bus 261

38/10