#Chris lore
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these are cool
Maastricht
Oh
RE18 18929 Maastricht-Aachen Hbf 10:54-11:42
2nd class is comfier
Such a shame of all the vandalism
Guy wanted me to take a pic of them at Aachen Hbf
Why would anyone be taking pics of Aachen Hbf
@royal python does Aachen Hbf have a openbaar watertappunt?
RE20 Aachen Hbf - Aachen-Rothe Erde 12:02-12:04
Me when ERTMS L1
Skatergirl with white miniskirt, decorated converse and wool leg warmers
Also 2 min in train, got my ticket checked
Very busy bus
ASEAG SB66 Aachen-Rothe Erde - Monschau Altstadt 12:13+5-13:05
I think that Monschau is without a t
this anti autisenstoel foto stipjes are annoying
Yes
🇧🇪 time
This is technically speaking Germany but you can't tell by the quality of the road
Jfc
Vermoeiend oponthoud door reiziger
Behold: Belgien
Monschau Altstadt time
Lovely
I only see this message now, but no I am not aware of any aachen tappunten
Very nice town
Time to home
SB66 Monschau Altstadt - Aachen-Rothe Erde 13:55+4-14:45
Nope
what are they doing
Werkzaamheden 🤷♂️
nice
so I guess back via Aachen Heerlen as well
Yes you should bring a chisel to scrape them off
They're on the other side 😔
when are we going to attack this bus with chisels and scheermesjes to remove the stippen?
Hmm maybe soon
There's guys that film autisten stoel pov
So you can have bus rides at home
hmm should do this and uplaod them with title "autistenstoel pov lijn xxx"
Geilenkirchen*
Sittard bus goes to geilenkirchen tho
why the like falling apart happens in that pattern
Heinsbergis tüddern
eu flag
J
They all have "Co-funded by EU" on them now
I don't remember it having this last time
The ERTMS fitted ones have this
nice
You can transfer
Tüddern is basically sittard anyways
3960 Heerlen - Eindhoven 15:49-16:51
washing borstels.
sncf also. probably you cab get eu subsidie if you fit ermts and this sticker is a voorwaarde
Ah so this can't happen in NL
Europapa sticker good
:(
:((
I should bring my own old train to do nice train routes
Let's build a draisine
you have to pad aanvragen
on random railways they won't know
true
Hmm
like this germans with their schienengolf
the railways found out and liked it lol
Get out of my channel
This would've been devastating btw :(
I handmade Blep specifically to take it with me to Scandinavia
Based
I have more lore planned this weekend 👀
have fun
I've never used the maaslijn for more than 1 station down the line for any reason other than for the sake of doing the maaslijn
that line is still shut due to flooding 😢
but very nice route. it includes whales
bit of a gamble on a 3tpd trier-thionville
saarbrucken-metz-luxemburg may be more easy/safe due to proper frequency
Visiting Schengen is part of the plan
ah.
I have more than an hour there
already too much.
just mind you. its barely possible to buy sncf tickets for perl-thionville
I had to get them at sncf machine in luxemburg hbf
but you could always bus schengen-luxemburg if sncf pranks.
I want to streep af Lux-thionville
Also looks like I can get the tickets from the SNCF connect app
I'm getting a price and everything
whaaaaaales
:(
yeah the same thing goes for Forbach - Saarbrücken
Seems like DB is willing to sell it
But with a mark-up
I can save like €0,40 by getting Perl-Apach from DB and the rest of the route from SNCF
Yee
€6 at SNCF, €7,70 with this construction
Loving the barrier to travel at Schengen tho
I needed 3 tickets for Perl-thionville-lux. because i also wanted the -50% ter discount. And indeed the app will not sell or tell you to collect at a sncf machine
Also high chances are sncf pranks the perl train for a bus last minute
i should do this line
together with bouzonvile
Lore time
Hrl*
I was thinking hln looks wrong
Geroodseind
Nice
Deutschland
Aachen West is surprisingly busy
I already finished my book
Loc hauled NMBS train here
Damn according to träwelling there was someone else on my RE18
RE1 Aachen Hbf - Köln Hbf 10:51-11:44
Nonstandard Sehr Geehrte Fahrgäste that I didn't understand
Geroodseind Köln Hbf
"Sehr Geehrte Fahrgäste am Gleis 3: Bitte steigen sie ein" as the train departs
RE8 Köln Hbf - Koblenz Hbf 12:03+8 - 13:37
Too busy to sit on the correct side for this side of the Rheinstrecke
People getting in at Messe can't even all sit
It's nicer south of Koblenz anyways
Loud phone convo woman is back
For how much of what she's saying is fucking gibberish it's crazy that it's not stopped by active noise cancelling
Gymschoenpiepgeluiden
Domestic violence sounds on the other side
Slowly moving from domestic violence sounds to domestic violence
Oh she fucked right off
Freedom
German stations are so horribly designed for passenger flow
Rainbow flag
RE17 Koblenz Hbf - Bad Kreuznach 14:03 - 14:55
Very good
I don’t like English names for deelstaten
Ye they're not great
Love the towns here
Bad Kreuznach time
You can buy a huge amount of manga at the bookstore here
Maybe more than normal books even
RB76 is rare
RE3 Bad Kreuznach - Saarbrücken Hbf 15:22+10-17:10
The Stein of Bad Münster am Stein fame
Amazing map
@brittle remnant your getting pranked.
normally they will run tvv/car ter instead. but idk why that doesnt show up.
DB doesn't say this :D
But I'll go look into my options
Dan maar de bus naar Luxembourg gare
I hadn't booked the ticket yet, hoping Perl bf would've had SNCF ticket machines
Bus 402 Schengen Ennen am Doref - Luxembourg Gare 11:18+4-11:56
Autistenstoel was already bezet
I should remember to take a pic of the bus once I get to Luxembourg city
only sncf machine outside france is the one in luxemburg gare and monaco...
Bad country
perl doenst even have db machines i think.
It does
ow nice. some stops along that line dont. i've seen people buy at guard.
With €60 surcharge?
idk how this works. they got on and went to guard for ticket
This bus has no display tho
How will I know
Lmao he just yeeted straight through a red light
Lux Hbf feels more like a Hbf than a station belonging to a capital city
Just with 11 platforms
wat
what
Very minimal facilities like shops n such
RE11 Luxembourg Hbf - Koblenz Hbf 12:33-14:59
Yeah there's like one restaurant and that's it really
There's a Delhaize just outside
bus44
Dit duurt langer
Actually
Oh right you're missing the context that the next RE18 after that isn't cancelled
Seinstoring
Went back for a pic
Because of course I forgot a second time
Waiting for RE18 time
RE18 Aachen Hbf - Heerlen 18:47+5 - 19:12
RARE!
Is it?
well its more often cancelled then running rigjt.
Missed transfer
f
Hyped for the updated Chris map
2976 Ehv-Ht 21:04-21:22
Precisely when I need to get out of the bus to cycle it starts raining really hard
this is because goederentreinen btw, in the concessie it says arriva has to yield when goederentreinen have to pass
which now has to pass through there because other options are blocked by werkzaamheden
in NL and DE
I thought it was just due to personeelstekorten
Could be both
also yes, but then you would probably see more cancellations in other places as well
heerlen-aachen is probably the first they will drop
Nice map
good map
... this is just waiting for a wild soph to appear and destroy the score.
you jynxed it now
meh i'm above this but yeah as chris said it doesn't matter
3525 Ht-Vl 8:55+3-9:58
dit is beperkte schade
Sehr Geehrte Fahrgäste we mogen Ehv nog niet op
Nice pic
TVV ri Kaldenkirchen
RE13 11:14-11:41 Kaldenkirchen M'gladbach
congrats on making that
indeed
Thank
kanker
This is fine
RB26 Köln-Koblenz 12:56-14:29+34
Suwex RE1 15:06+3-17:04 Koblenz Hbf - Metlach
RB71 Besseringen-Dillingen 10:45+3-11:00+10
RB77 Dillingen - Bouzonville 11:18-11:45
RB77 Bouzonville - Dillingen 13:53+1-14:18
thanks for sending pics of the same train at different angles guys
here’s a tosti
RE1 Dillingen-Saarbrücken 15:20+2-15:41
Tram 1 Saarbrücken Kaiserstrasse - Lebach 15:58-16:50
RB72 Lebach - Lebach-Jabach 16:54-16:57
hmm bekend
RB72 Lebach - Saarbrücken Hbf 17:06-17:54
dit deugt niet
RE1 Saarbrücken Hbf - Merzig 18:19-18:46
Anrufsammeltaxi 294 Merzig - Besseringen
Luxembourg lore for next week has been cancelled :(
I was under the impression the Gouvy line would run on Friday
RB71 Besseringen - Saarburg 10:13-10:33
RE1 Saarburg - Saarbrücken 10:51+3 - 11:41+1
interesting why ingelheim and no overstap bad kreuznach to bingen?
I've already done that
ah. fair
DB RE2 Ingelheim Koblenz 14:02+3-14:54
National express RE5 Koblenz-Köln 15:16-16:28
Assholes walked in front of my camera as the train approached only to then turn around
Nice pic
Very good
Er is echt geen zak te doen op dit station
Ik heb vgm altijd een vrij krappe overstap hier
Had ik dat nu maar
gladbach..m
Platform is full of football people
Very loud & rowdy
Just barely fit on the train
Voorste treinstel nicht einsteigen
Eurobahn RE13 Mönchengladbach - Venlo 18:26-18:56
Iedereen van voorste treinstel moet verhuizen
Dutch people shouting
re13momenten
Ja
zo blij dat ik gewoon ice heb genomen
Ik heb dit echt niet gemist
had ik maar een ice
Was zoveel beter toen ik geschreeuw nauwelijks kon verstaan
had ik die ov chip niet verloren had ik daar ook gestaan
wesel was echt heel kut
Innocent guy became collateral damage of drunk Dutch guy being annoying
Got hit by flying debris
Victim left the scene
With girl (relation uncertain)
"Hoe heeft hij zo'n lekker wijf. Is die niet helemaal incoherent gestures"
2 more people on Träwelling RE13ing to Venlo
that guy is dedicated.. doing germany daytrips from den helder...
i already hate doing them from hengelo
Kutzooi
Kut RE13
+13 Turned into +3
Discussies over dat Duitsers geen Engels kunnen
Map
Venlo
Eindelijk weg uit mofrika
This is a pretty decent map
NS 3772 Venlo - 's-Hertogenbosch 19:03-20:06
Guy running vol op z'n bek, bijna koprol
F
2 Marechaussee guys apprehending a single person from RE13
This train is such a relief
ik zou die tvv trouwens als eurobahn erin zetten
Goed gespot
Ht time
Ahhh yesss
The Netherlands
€0.75 for sauce at burger king
bad
Bus time
next week is youth holidays
Youth multi is cheap yes
Youth holidays might not be worth
Youth multi €60
Youth holidays €18
This feels wrong
youth holidays is worth when more than 3 trips needed
Oh interesting
The prices did change
looking on archive.org
Back in June 2023 Youth multi was €57, more in line with what I remember
And in January this year, Youth Holidays was €19
@minor cave
nice
I have to be home at 18:00 sunday so I can't Haaksbergen-Boekelo :(
Ja kanker NS
Nee
Met de trein kan ik nog net op tijd zijn om te vragen of ze de stoomtrein heel even kunnen vertragen zodat Anschluss wartet
chris 100% museum lijnen nederland
Want IC aankomst 10:46 stoomtrein vertrek 10:45
Dit kan wss wel
Maar als de trein niet rijdt dan gaat dit niet
Eerstvolgende stoomtrein 14:15
Dan kom ik niet meer thuis voor 18:00
RTM in mei pas weer
STAR moet ik nog een keer regelen met collega
efteling...?
Efteling doesn't count
it is a steamtrain proper though
Random guy can build a train in his back yard and that would count
So no
Efteling does not count
Those are in no way different from Efteling
they are kinda
normal steam companies are also just gehobby
just more uit de hand gelopen
The lines across which normal steam companies run have historic bestaansrecht
Valkenburg 100% does not
Nienoord not sure, need to look into this a bit more
What's up with them?
Anyway
I basically only care about these
RTM is fun because cute trains
I don't 100% normal trams or metros either
RTM line is also just built as hobby to run the stuff
Ah yes so it would seem
stoomtreingehobby that now actually has commuters depending on it
Oh that's good
removed RTM from plan map
Anyway none of the 3 remaining museum lines work for me next sunday
chris trainlog 100% speedrun
Pretty much what I'm hoping to achieve
I should do this too
Chris brusselse noord zuid tunnel?? !!!
?
Literally no?
Unless you mean a different one
But I'm not really feeling the reisadvies I had
So I'll leave that for later
ow wait.. i'm confusig with congres
huh it normally does
but there are trackworks this week so its diverted
i assume its via brussel zuid or maybe it does something cool
Oh no
Reisplanner says it goes noord then midi
would be weird to go midi then noord then midi again
Finished the Monschau reisverslag
https://eratorailtrips.blogspot.com/2024/04/grenzen-opzoeken-in-schengen-16-17-mar.html
Also did the Schengen reisverslag
This reisverslag was a bit more cynical than I'm used to writing
I've been on exactly 2 trains so far that passed through 3 countries:
- Thalys Paris GdN-Roterdam 🇫🇷🇧🇪🇳🇱
- ICE Basel - Utrecht 🇨🇭🇩🇪🇳🇱
Saturday I'll do Eurostar Brussels Midi-London 🇧🇪🇫🇷🇬🇧
I'm quite disappointed at how the UK trip will only be like 3000km
I've had a l o t of months with total train km's less than that
Sure
But I'm gonna do long distance trains for a week
Granted I won't be on trains all that time
Not even close
Oh I thought this was like 2 days or something big nvm
Uk moment
Saturday: Antwerp-Gent-Midi-London
Sunday: London
Monday: London-Peterborough-Glasgow
Tuesday: Glasgow-Mallaig-Kyle
Wednesday: Kyle-Inverness-Edinburgh
Thursday: Edinburgh-York
Friday: York-Manchester
Saturday: Manchester-London-Lille-Kortrijk-Antwerp
Very nice
Lmao for comparison I did 1000km a day when I went to Prague
just take a more stupideous route via omwegen to make more km
The uk isn't ultra big
omg are you going to the sheep pen?
I am not
yeah
Lore time
Itinerary for today:
Ht - Bd
Bd - Antwerp
Antwerp - Gent
Gent - Midi
Midi - St. Pancras
But first
301 Home - 's-Hertogenbosch, ETA 7:36
Thanks
Have you ever been in the UK before
Nope
nice. avoiding centraal.
chris hdf soon. hdf hdf hdf
still good
On the way back I'm actually getting out as well
That's the plan anyway
No announcement
Oh
We didn't have one for Tilburg
Literally as I said "over enkele ogenblikken station Breda"
Next train in 30 min
ICD Asd has a small Nmbs Logo on the front
Bread
Lots of information on this
9216 Breda - Antwerpen Centraal 8:42-9:16
ritnummer on the display good
Yee
yes, Eurotunnel is needed for hdf 100%
and the car shuttle too
Lol
When Sophie 100% hdf perrons???
Love this place
I paid €65 for a euroshuttle return
18223 Antwerpen Centraal - Gent Sint Pieters 9:25-10:26
got both luckily
average nmbs graffiti train
Of Gand Saint Pierre als je interrail bent
gand saint pierre loll
We're not stopping there
We're just slowly going through them
This is non-stop Berchem-Gent
Just passed Mechelen-Nekkerspoel

I didn't expect to cross off new lijntjes in this leg of the journey
We did turn right
Was almost afraid the train would go through Brussel
dit is duurder dan een maand REs nemen
Geroodseind regio Melle
nice
Cool
tgv tgv tgv
Next train at 14:52
Have fun
@royal python probably enjoys this
Never been in the EU capital
It can be quite onguur
It's België
I expect nothing less
Tram stop under midi smells of piss
Brilliant
You're gonna be put in some bunker
brussel is something in its own... this is onguurheid tot een macht
Yes
I enjoy this thanks
@royal python Bij Porte de Hal. Hij werkt
mooi en goed en dank deel 2
Cult
Oh no
I unknowingly walked to the highest point of the city
Alright view
Didn't expect to see Atomium today
@royal python bij de Chamber of Representatives
dank deel 3
@royal python Nabij Gare Centrale
D a n k u w e l C h r i s d i t i s e e n m o o i t a p p u n t e n h i j i s t o e g e v o e g d a a n d e w a c h t r i j i k w i l n i e t t e l k e n s o p d e z e l f d e m a n i e r d a n k z e g g e n d u s h i e r b i j e e n u i t g e b r e i d e r e v e r s i e (4e editie)
Lol
Waarom is het hier zo fucking druk
Hmmm something here compells me to leave
Good station
Should I go through the duane yet?
Ye but so is the rest of midi
How long in advance are you allowed on the platform?
bad
Nazi's
You have hesjespersonen guiding the entire process
I'll Gleis 3 to take some pics if it's already Arrivé
Where the fuck is the Eurostar platform
you could shop tax free. idk buy cigarettes and alcohol you dont need
most western platforms
you cannot really get to them
Knifes are a cheaper way of suicide
walk more south to see them
Doing that now
like at the end of that wall are kopsporen
I only had ±5 minutes to walk around and take pics on the platform 💀
You have time to take pics in London
Because the train terminates there
And you'll have to walk the entire length
Access is 20 min before departure it seems
Wrong kanaal
sorry
I'm not a fan of this dark bunker
I'm also not a fan of no stamp
How the fuck am I still waiting so fucking long
How the fuck do I have to wait so fucking long
Wasn't the whole point of a train that planes have security and gates and boarding procedures and trains you just get on
At this rate it's much faster to fly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8b-0S3cv-TY makes this ad pretty ironic
Eurostar's 'Yesterday' TV Commercial.
UK bad
😳
They have a thing
cool
You should've taken train from here to midi to make the centraal gap smaller
It's closed on weekends
I do intend to
That is funny
Oh this is e300
I think
nice. enjoy
tmst only real eurostar
also trans manche super train is way cooler name then the recently bedacht e300
Teenage Mutant Super Turtles
trans manche super train
So much razor wire, feels like a prison
Also wasn't razor wire against the Geneva conventions or smth
just check in more than 30 mins before departure really
thats when it closes
other than that i wouldnt go too early
hdf hdf hdf
@clear escarp I have some delays, they won't tell me how much
You can have anything else but not that
discord makes it look like it says no olives
Anyway, €11,80
Nice
Calais
this could have been obtained from a brussels supermarket for 5,80 probably..
Absolutely
The curry wasn't very good either
Can't wait for my clock to jump backwards 100 years and 1 hour
Chunneled
Me when the uhh
Terrible Dutch from Eurostar staff
Genuinely incomprehensible
This was also a problem on the Thalys Paris - Rtd
I’m tube
I'm the big tube
I'm slow paris southern ring connector railway thing
Oh ye I forgor
lgv interconnexion sud when aaaaaaa
You should see 3rd rail soon
lebara didnt get the memo yet.
This is good tho
This is one of the reasons I have Lebara
They don't care much for borders
most treat uk like eu still
figured vodafone even treat swiss like eu.
lebara seems too, good. Odildo didnt.
It’s like 34c in here
tube
Chris watching
It'll be like I never left Brussels
also @minor cave wynd feet leaked
That’s the tube
It’s only like 20 outside
Maybe a bit more
Oh
he is on the wrong side for taht
It'll be like I never left Brussels
my god I hate eurostar
It was 24 there according to Pharmacy + thingy
So many tunnels without phone signal
Shite country
None of the tube network has signal
Good
Even not crossrail
@clear escarp I believe he said Deux minutes
His English was incomprehensible
So is my french
@clear escarp sign saying Stratford
Interesting name for a construction site
Yeeee
Yes but some has wifi
I’m sat outside in the sun mate
Thameslink 19:14-19:26 London Bridge - St. Pancras
headcode?
Chris 3rd rail!!!!!
@brittle remnant I should have stayed out longer
I still cannot get inside
I’m now just sat in a park enjoying the last bits of sun
GG
pretty green
hek
The one on the right
very nice
Front entrance of British museum is tickets only?
take more ritten
food eat in take away
They only checked one compartment
bouzonville bag guys
Just more dead inside
Are you done already
Ye I'm outside
Speedrun
Could hardly walk in there
Might hop to Peterborough real quick
Dunno what else to do in London
how
Train?
how do you not know what to do in london
I did everything I wanted to do
take 3rd rail trains
Basically poor planning
Very hot in the Tube
Piccadilly line 12:52-12:58
Russel Square - Leicester Square
Northern line 13:00-13:04
Leicester Square - Waterloo
The tube always seems to look cloudy
Huge group of cyclists
Should be quieter at the British Museum around 16:00 according to google
District Line 13:52-13:59
Westminster - South Kensington
@royal python the Natural History museum
Thank you
Is this tap accessible for free/without ticket?
Actually if you need a free ticket to access it this is an important distinction too
I've allowed the tap at naturalis because you can access it from the entrance without any restriction and if this is something similar then it is allowed too
Yes the entire museum is free
Ok cool thanks
Walk like along south bank, or go head to some more cool museums
Science museum is very cool and it’s just around the corner from natural history
Has good space bit and if you go look around upstairs there are some cool quiet back rooms
Oh it really is just around the corner
yes
also hyde park is very nice thats also very close as well as the royal albert hall
Walking is evil
My legs hurt from the like 6km I've already walked today, and the 10km I walked yesterday
Oh this wasn't detected at you
This was just in general
Sat on a bench letting my legs recover a bit
oh i see
Piccadilly line 17:19-17:39
Gloucester Road - St. Pancras
Fuck
Place I wanted to visit tomorow
I really should've done more research for this trip
I wanted to check how late it opens, reckoning I could maybe grab an earlier train
Guess I'll just go straight to Glasgow so I can check out the TT buildings without needing to rush the next morning
ggf. reserviert
Ye that's what I reckoned
Some other seats do have reservations active
Got an earlier train to Leeds
The frequency to Carlisle via Settle isn't very high tho so this doesn't net me an earlier arrival
Dogshite weather here
Train doesn't continue past Leeds 🤔🤔
Homeless people meeting in front of the McDonald's in Leeds
Northern 10:49-13:31 Leeds-Carlisle
The weather is horrible here
It was really nice for a short while
Quite glad I got the transparent umbrella now
Yes this is why I'm on this specific train
oh de S&C moet ik nog doen
twee en een half uur sprinter
Sure thing
People really do be getting up 5 min before arriving at the station
Yes
You see
It is a British thing idk why
Same with planes
Everyone wants to be the first to get off
Avanti 13:49+7-15:00 Carlisle-Glasgow Central
good
First real delay
Outer line 15:36 - 16:07
Buchanan Street - St. Enoch
yoooooooooooo really cool
they started retirement on these :(
I recently saw a new set on the back of a lorry on the ring ehv
wtf e x t r e m e l y r a r e
cool
couldnt take pic cuz i was driving
but they were so small, there werent even special signs for ''special load''
like it just fit on a regular dieplader
they were transported like 1,5 carriages
exactly like this
Not a single Brit has waited for one of these in their entire lives
youll be dead by the time its finally green
this is like 99% of the traffic lights outside the netherlands
idk luxembourg or switzerland are also quite good
The b in Luxembourg is for Baustelle
Nice
the sad part is that we are a kankerland despite this still
No ethical consumption and all that
can't have shit in life
Interrail app says I have to transfer to Mallaig
Front 2 Oban, middle 2 Fort William rear 2 Mallaig
5:17 on a stopping train
This will be good
So looking forward to asking a hesjespersoon to open the fucking gate again
ScotRail Glasgow Queen Street - Mallaig 8:21-13:38
geniet ervan
use RTT
Very good
This was me when I was younger
Max please note I need the interrail app to be allowed onto the train and stuff
Max please note I need the interrail app to be allowed onto the train and stuff
@brittle remnant https://maps.app.goo.gl/8mVWTq6GcsWuxY939
I need you to go here and have one hell of a senic piss
ye
I did the same 'member
Apparently you don't remember
i forgor 💀
Didn't look at my phone screen to take a better pic. There was an amazing waterfall here.
This is just before Roy Bridge
the entire line is great
Discord appears to have given up on the image
Just saw some of the most amazing river rapids ever
Oh lmao
hmm this was a very small quiet stream when I went by it
this looks a lot cooler than when I saw it
A lot of people getting on in Fort William
Oh the yanks got on in Glasgow already
more should join at fort william
more americans
and there is a pretty high chance that the same people will also be on the journey back
I won't be
youre taking ferry?
Ye
you should drop ferry ritnummer with rico
Anyway I should've taken the time to find a seat on the other side of the train before this station
Oh good there's some in the next coach over
YE'RE A FOOKIN BRIDGE HARRY
2927 Ht-Mt 09:08+13 - 10:30+13
RE18 Aachen Hbf - Heerlen 15:17-15:42