Ragins Train Sets

[strange quiver]

Pmuch

Yeah, but I use variants for liveries

[turbid bronze]

You can nest variants

Or just keep it separate /shrug

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but I generally find it more annoying than anything

I like to be able to see whats available

[severe elbow]

this is cool

[turbid bronze]

so my Instagram has been getting spammed lately with vids of Big Boys, 4014 has been getting around the states this month by the looks of things (though I do keep seeing 4016 pop up in my feed as well), and gosh I can’t wait til you take a poke at some yank steamers 🤣

[red stump]

Same

Ragin I request a full roster of NYC/PRR steam engines

Although the big western stuff is good too... it's all pretty good

[severe elbow]

converted british rail mk2s for suburban use

[haughty pollen]

Those are pretty neat, only true push-pull service in oceania I think

[severe elbow]

to my knowledge yes

[gritty bone]

The amount of yes is staggering. Just use the old m1 sprite from the us train set as a study off

[strange quiver]

Fiiiiine

Tbf it's something I want anyway

And I have the ID space to do a lot

[strange quiver]

also technical specs of the AMT-125 just dropped

so that'll make doing them easier

[steep echo]

Reminds me of tgv pse

[strange quiver]

similar vibes I guess

It does have a very TGV vibe

[mental musk]

shinkansesn 100 series but diesel

[reef gate]

Is that the TGV where they shoved in a Helicopter Turbine Engine?

[strange quiver]

what's the source of that?

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1AjspsPh1d/

found it on FB

my guess is that it's early 70s, since it's got the mansard roof/equipment of EMDs of the period

so maybe it was an early sketch for an EMD product before they settled on the SDP40F

would be cool to include tho

[haughty pollen]

Damn, that thing is cool

definitely similar to some of the fantasy trains I've drawn

[versed sparrow]

This would be cool

[strange quiver]

well the livery id for that is reserved

[mental musk]

Sweeeeeeet but.... 2 cabs in an yank diesel?

[finite mountain]

I recently had a random idea that I think could be interesting. Imagine if Stadler came into the North American rail market similar to how Siemens did, not with multiple units but locomotives

And we got Americanized versions of these

Similar to how the ACS-64 was based on the EuroSprinter and the Charger shares a bit of its design with the Vectron

[mellow loom]

That EuroDual is a hell of a platform

[strange quiver]

Its something on my mind

Although tbf the EMD F125 was based on the vossloh Euro and it was a complete failure

[strange quiver]

okay so new jgr version just dropped, and I'm updating my stuff to support the proper DVT code, but for some reason when it has the flag VEHICLE_FLAG_TRAIN_HAS_CAB it still reverses at a slower speed?

does it still require the DVT to have at least 1hp?

[frosty sand]

Does it work in vanilla?

Horsepower is not required, just the flag.

[strange quiver]

lemme try the latest nightly

nope, same in the latest nightly

like this is what the code looks like, so idk what's causing the issue?

[crystal crag]

You might need to bitmask it

Like the line above

[strange quiver]

if that works I'll cry

[crystal crag]

And if that doesn't work try putting it in the misc flags

Those are the things I'd try without actually looking into how it

[strange quiver]

crying

seems to work with only the DD though

the Mk3 seems to not wanna do it, but that might just be a bug

[crystal crag]

Show code for both

[strange quiver]

broke vs working

[crystal crag]

Broke has a second extra_flags section at the bottom

Working has it commented out

[strange quiver]

ooooooooooh

[crystal crag]

My guess is the second extra_flags section overrides the first

[strange quiver]

ffs

that

alright well I'll have to sort that then

[crystal crag]

It's always easy to miss things when you're working with your own code

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙁

[crystal crag]

Anyway I have done my part and helped I now sleep have fun with the DVTs

[strange quiver]

thanks nerd

it does appear to be fixed now so aaa

[earnest meadow]

been there, done that

[mellow loom]

Yeah if you have the same property/var/callback/whatever twice, the second just overrides the first

Same if you have two speed or cargo_capacity etc

NML should probably catch that, but there are a lot of those kinds of things which NML doesn't check - presumably because nobody's really thought about it

NML is kinda treated as a fairly advanced language without a TON of handholding, because at the end of the day it's an abstraction over NFO/grf assembly stuff, so especially at first it was mostly assumed people had quite a good idea what they were doing "under the hood"

[strange quiver]

spent today editing a video, but also updating the MU code for the MUs

we've gone from 7k to only 5.7k lines of code which is pretty good

[strange quiver]

and electric locomotives are updated aaa

I'll have to update NARP at some point, but I'll probably save it for when I have more time

[strange quiver]

I'm struggling to draw, someone suggest me an item of Australian/Kiwi rolling stock to draw

[versed sparrow]

Which type ?

Freight or passenger?

[strange quiver]

Anything I suppose

[versed sparrow]

This ?

Or this triple deck car carrier

[strange quiver]

I'll probably do that then

[strange quiver]

Not gonna do car carriers for a while since theres a lot of code work I want to do for them first...

[strange quiver]

Could do those too

Iirc I already started the X class

[severe elbow]

X101?

Goober

Or, silver fern stock

The coaches currently in Myanmar

[dawn veldt]

oh, its just a baby!

[mental musk]

love the yellow buffers

[mellow loom]

That looks like one of those novelty "road trains" holiday parks used to have in the 1980s to move people around

[mental musk]

You mean these dolled-up tractors?

https://mylomza.pl/static/files/gallery/114/1620559_1726176370.webp

[mellow loom]

https://share.google/8yxIca3MPGcajJ8q6

more like these

[mental musk]

God, this looks evan less like an train than the tractor I posted lol

[strange quiver]

Maybe, they're not super urgent/useful in game tho

[strange quiver]

Both the DMUs and coaches are already done 🙂

[severe elbow]

ah

[crystal crag]

One day we'll get shunting patch...

[strange quiver]

Probably more necessary now that freight trains can't reverse as well

[strange quiver]

idk why but I was in the shower and this coach appeared in my brain

I should use this if I ever need a low platform metro style coach?

[strange quiver]

TGR X class done

[versed sparrow]

Goobers

[mental musk]

love the smol coaches

[strange quiver]

Commonwealth Railways NJ Class done

[mellow loom]

Left livery looks great

Right loses something in translation, you seem to have lost shape/shading

I think it's the yellow

[strange quiver]

Pmuch, there isn't as much contrast in the yellow company colour

[strange quiver]

I wanna get more MUs done this weekend

someone send me requests so I can pick what to do 🙂

[strange quiver]

just a little guy

[versed sparrow]

2ft goo

[strange quiver]

it's cape gauge?

[versed sparrow]

It's 3ft 6 inch

So ye

[strange quiver]

yeah? that's not 2ft

[versed sparrow]

I probably read some facts about it wrong

Found it on facebook ironically

I wonder what i feels riding on these

[strange quiver]

probably not great

[dawn veldt]

those are some interesting rails that little guy is on tho...

[mellow loom]

What's your current country/region/continent?

[mellow loom]

"We have Pacers at home"

[severe elbow]

which kiwi units havent you done?

[strange quiver]

Rn only the silver ferns

But I might try and get all the EMUs done this weekend

[severe elbow]

seeing as theres only 4

easy target

[strange quiver]

yee

we'll see how I go this weekend

I have 3 easy wins I also wanna get done this morning

[strange quiver]

bunch of interurban trains done

from left to right, tait interurban (fictional), Tulloch interurban (fictional) and the Comeng Interurban (based on the NSW U-Set)

[strange quiver]

NZ DM class EMUs done

[strange quiver]

oh yh forgot to mention, but a friend of mine's company bought an RTL turboliner recently

so I might do them for the NA set

they also mentioned they've bought something else really cool, but they're not allowed to tell me annoyingly 🙁

[severe elbow]

Can’t wait to do the 7 coach cyclops set ❤️

[strange quiver]

Ganz Mavags done

probably the last I can do today, but that's 5 unique EMUs done in a single day, which is pretty good

[severe elbow]

Fav emus

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

tomorrow I'm gonna try and do the Matangis, the Auckland ones, and maybe re-do the ARTs

[severe elbow]

Are you not going to do both pantogtaphs for it?

[mental musk]

Cool, but with these yellow fronts it gives me british rail slam door MU vibes!

[strange quiver]

I could tbh

I did it for others

[mental musk]

with the blue paint job it looks almost like MAV driving trailer!

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/hu/car/local/BDt/100-149/BDt-110_Egervar.jpg

[versed sparrow]

The dvt is so ancient

[strange quiver]

Matangi :3

[turbid bronze]

cannot be stopped, will not be stopped

[strange quiver]

🤔

[versed sparrow]

Never realize how the cab looks

Kinda weird

[strange quiver]

very goofy

[versed sparrow]

Electric locomotives

Hm imagine if it's a bo-bo-bo like the ef

[strange quiver]

probably tbh

but I'll do a design for it at some point

[versed sparrow]

Or a co-co but that would be worst so either bo-bo or the other one

[strange quiver]

I'll just do tri-bo because I like them more 🙂

[versed sparrow]

I also love them so good for me 😀

[mellow loom]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_28

Did somebody say Co-Bo?

The worst best of both worlds

[strange quiver]

british engineering can be baffling at times

[versed sparrow]

Sometimes i wonder if they Tweaks some issue would it be successful

[steep echo]

whats the point of co-bo anyway?

[mellow loom]

The design wasn’t unsuccessful itself

It was just unreliable engines. They very nearly re-engined them and they’d have probably lasted another 20-30 years

[strange quiver]

basically just better weight distribution

normally it's a Bo-Bo that just needs an extra axle

also AM Class done

[mellow loom]

Lower axle loading was the main one - they were used on branch lines

But it was also found to help with avoiding some difficulties with traction with higher powers bo-bo, in the era before electronic wheel slip prevention

[mellow loom]

Front’s a bit too angled I think, looks more like a Turbostar than an Am class

[steep echo]

so in co-bo all axles are powered?

[strange quiver]

yeah, agreed. but I'm tired so I can tweak it again later

[mellow loom]

Yup, 5 driven axles (at least on these British ones, I’m not sure if the Japanese C-B was the same)

[steep echo]

ah so a 3-B would be 3 undriven and 2 driven?

[versed sparrow]

Maybe ?

Wait the fl9 was a bo-co ?

[steep echo]

idk im just trying to understand this

dsb used a lot of stuff until the 1980s that wasnt bo-bo or co-co

or at least apparently not

[versed sparrow]

Mo class

[haughty pollen]

FL9 was Bo-A1A I think

three axle bogies with an unpowered middle axle aren't uncommon

[steep echo]

yes exactly

the MO varied though

[versed sparrow]

Yep 100 were built in this configuration until 1930s

[steep echo]

from the 30s you mean

[versed sparrow]

It was ?

Huh atleast that's new information

[steep echo]

MO was built in the 30s-50s

if you're interested in danish stuff you should check out my grf

we should move this convo elsewhere though idk

[versed sparrow]

True

[versed sparrow]

Oh im real interested in the danish railways especially the steam fleet

[strange quiver]

I have one more train I wanna try and do today

But also if anyone has any further suggestions for stuff lmk

Taking requests is a good way to do stuff I'd otherwise skip

[versed sparrow]

Gronk

[strange quiver]

I was thinking the F class

but I could do that sometime

[strange quiver]

quick detour, but the driving trailers from NARP have now been updated to support modern push pull

[turbid bronze]

also, git commit plz 😛

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-it-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-gif-4883506

[strange quiver]

girl there was one an hour ago

[turbid bronze]

D:

oh woops I was reading the git compare the wrong way around

was like has this lazy slag seriously not comitted anything since april

[strange quiver]

you goober

[turbid bronze]

i will proceed to commit sudoku

[strange quiver]

I do typically 2-3 commits per day lmao

[turbid bronze]

lmao

could get a job in software development with a github waterfall lookin like that

[strange quiver]

I could, but I feel like I'd have better job prospects as a planner atm 🙂

also tbf I only do NML anyway

[turbid bronze]

doesn't matter, nobody in software development hiring knows the difference anyway

[strange quiver]

true I suppose

it's good for planning jobs anyway, shows I can commit to a project and the like

but I normally default to my youtube stuff when making those points

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I was having this convo with someone recently, in Professions extracurricular stuff comes up quite a bit in interviewing

maybe not as much early-career but 5-10yrs in it plays a big part. I guess because at that stage it's what you do outside of work that sets you apart from other similar candidates.

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'm still early career though and it seems to help a lot

of all the interviews I've had, if I mention my YT I tend to get it

but tbf I've only ever done 4 interviews, and the two times I mentioned YT I got both the jobs

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I recomend interviewing as often as you can. Nobody says you have to take the job but if I get approached by anyone who's not just wasting my time I always hear them out. Always learn something.

and as someone who's very very autistic I sure need the practice

[strange quiver]

yeah lmao

although I do wanna stick with my current job at least for a little bit

my probation ends next week though so hopefully I won't need to find a new job lmao

[turbid bronze]

nice!

yeah I'm up for my first contract renewal end of june

I'm told it's basically a slam dunk but still shitting myself lmao

[strange quiver]

hell yeah, best of luck

they're always scary lmao

I'm just glad that once I'm off probation I'm not on contract

[dawn veldt]

i wasnt aware you had GO trains in the set!

[strange quiver]

sorta just realising the new push-pull enables us to do something that we couldn't do previously...

[steep echo]

Oh?

[strange quiver]

sooooooooon

working on it now to see if it's viable

[steep echo]

[strange quiver]

poggies

since we don't have to worry about the old flipping now, we can have end cars that are different lengths, and different capacities 🙂

Also X2000 done

it looks so good in candy

I made it dual-voltage to suit the Sydney-Canberra run it was proposed for

also idk if I should do a broad gauge version for V/Line stuff

[mental musk]

where TM

[flat void]

t h e b u d d

[mellow loom]

Different capacities was always possible

Different lengths is now much nicer though

It’s really nice for properly assymetric units - things like the bi-mode Stadler Flirt units in the UK, the 3-coach version is Driving Car - Coach - Power Pack - Driving Car… there was no easy way to make that look good previously because the middle coaches were different lengths

[haughty pollen]

Not to mention push-pull with articulated or multiple locos

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but it was a bit more painful with magic flip

You can't really have one half of a double headed engine having 0 capacity if it then needs to be a DVT when flipping

[steep echo]

Very nice

[strange quiver]

this DE2 livery from Derail valley is pretty cool

I should include it in something

[strange quiver]

American X2000s done 🙂

[steep echo]

excellent just like the last)

[golden prairie]

What were the Eveleigh NWC railmotors in ORP

[strange quiver]

they were a designed proposed by the PTC in 1977 for 2-car non-air conditioned DMUs for Newcastle and Wollongong suburban services that never got built

here's the design

[golden prairie]

Ohh wait I thought this was a ptc design for the railcars that were going to replace the cphs

[haughty pollen]

Oh interesting, I wonder how long those would have stuck around if they got built, I probably would have remembered them from my childhood instead of endeavour sets

[golden prairie]

Since it had the "country service" reccomendation

[strange quiver]

they probably would have replaced some, but the SRA/PTC were never considering replacements for the CPHs

even when they got unsolicited designs from Comeng, they refused them

they were even offered pacers but thankfully said no lmao

[strange quiver]

they're probably be retired in the 2010s I'm guessing

we can reasonably assume an early 80s intro to service, especially since the specification after was for the XPTs and they were delivered beginning in 1981

so plus 30 years

tbh I could imagine if these were built, the hunters would be delayed to made the mid 2010s or early 2020s, and maybe some would even work the southern highlands line

can't imagine many would work in Wollongong since it was the 80s when that line was electrified

[haughty pollen]

Dapto to Kiama wasn't electrified until 2001

I remember it as a kid when it was still diesel

[strange quiver]

oh well nvm then

yeah you'd probably see them down there then

[strange quiver]

Thursday/Friday/Saturday I'll be busy, so tonight is the last time I'll have to do anything this week

So someone suggest an EMU for me to do tonight 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Have you done the QR intercity EMU?

[strange quiver]

I have not, but I have been considering doing some QR stuff so I might do it then

[gray grove]

btw unless i'm misunderstanding your templates i think the mail/pax is wrong here
187 is mail but it seems to have 3 doors whereas the first column has no doors?

[strange quiver]

I'm not sure what you mean?

that specific vehicle is only 6/8 long

and the coordinates for where the first sprite starts is 187, 21 for the mail car?

[gray grove]

i mean that the coordinates for mail start at 187 pixel but the img at that location appears to have doors, whereas the image at coord 7 has no doors

[strange quiver]

ooooh

[strange quiver]

yeah

it's an end platform coach, so the doors are only on the end

the passenger one doesn't have doors on the side

only the mail one does

it's intentional

[gray grove]

Ah, fair. Okay, I'll keep that in mind 😉

[strange quiver]

yee, all good lmao

[strange quiver]

also just something to flag, but the couplers on all my australian stuff is added by sprite stacking, so none of the sprites normally have them

just noticed because the B class has none

[gray grove]

yes, i noted that. tbh I'm ignoring some of the extras on yours like couplers etc. it won't be perfect but hey-ho. your templates aren't the same as mine anyway so a fair bit of time went into moving the main sprites around and then i figured for the extras...well, tough 😄 - so eg steam engines won't have animation states etc.

[strange quiver]

that's fair enough 🙂

[gray grove]

there are some 40 different templates in 2cc and i coded logic to automate all of them so i'm super un-keen on adding more 😄

[strange quiver]

I have also noticed that some of them have been converted to 2cc rathat hastily. If you want, I can do a 2cc livery for them and add couplers

also there are some weird errors, like 2 G classes, and the XPT being the Thai version

[gray grove]

if you are willing, please yes, just use the existing template. dont have to use the psd if you're not keen.
noted ref missing purchase, i'll check

[strange quiver]

as in my normal templates?

[gray grove]

mine please 😄 -- what i meant was that if you are willing to make modifications to the images in 2cc-revival, just change the existing png/psd because your templates have a different layout from mine and it takes about 2-5 mins each to be moved around into posiiton for me.

[strange quiver]

sure, just point me to which one and I'll do a few tonight

[gray grove]

i'm bad at this -- basically i don't know. what i mean is that im not that familiar with what's deemed normal/correct/etc and my knowledge of non-european trains is quite minimal. essentially if you see anything that looks really odd or off, feel free to poke it.

[strange quiver]

sure, gimme 5 and I'll send you a list giving reccomendations

[gray grove]

the xpt/thai switch is actually on purpose, from the photos it seemed that the switched logic seemed closer to reality but i can easily be wrong. i can switch it back.

[strange quiver]

well the Thai XPT was never actually built. It was only a proposal

idk if you want to include proposals, but if you want to include a high speed narrow gauge train, it might be a good choice

[gray grove]

yup, it's there

[strange quiver]

wait nvm I see what's happened lmao. Yh, the sprites just need to be switched

[strange quiver]

yeah, they're just assigned to the wrong countries atm

I also wouldn't classify the XPT as "Ultra High-Speed" though

[gray grove]

classification is automatic but the idea is that narrow gauge over idk 160 or so kmh is uhs

on normal/broad it's 300+

[strange quiver]

lmao, fair enough then

[gray grove]

that's the first half of the rules 😄

[strange quiver]

fair enough lmao

[strange quiver]

pretty...

[steep echo]

Minus the big fuck off light it has Swiss vibes

[strange quiver]

it does tbh

the swiss also liked fucked up critters

[steep echo]

Like a mix of an Re 4/4 i and ii

Yeah

Like that literal kettle

[strange quiver]

yeah

[mental musk]

stylish...

reminds me of Ae 6/6

[strange quiver]

ED class done

goofy little guy

front is hard to do, but I can re-do it at a later date

[turbid bronze]

neat!

[mental musk]

side view looks ok, but the front... looks a bit too like an bonnet style loco (eg DRG E44)

[versed sparrow]

The front without the gigantic light looks similar to the Italian railway e424

[steep echo]

That thing looks huge

[haughty pollen]

Just perspective, it's a fairly small loco

[steep echo]

Oh yeah

Italian stock seems to look huge without context clues

[severe elbow]

very funky coaches

[steep echo]

Yeah that probably threw me off too

[mellow loom]

I think it's the low coaches

[zenith harbor]

do you have any tips on how to draw coaches for openttd? i was thinking of contributing to this set by drawing the go transit series 10 bilevel coaches and their cab cars but i'm having trouble getting started on the cab portion

essentially my plan atm is to just modify the existing sprite since there isn't a significant difference

[strange quiver]

My normal go to would be to just look at how other sets have done it

Otherwise my instinct would be to have the windshield slope back by about 1 pixel

Tbh a lot of it just comes with practice

[strange quiver]

Also if you're wanting it for my set, I don't particularly take submissions. I prefer to do everything myself to make sure the style matches. But you're free to take anything of mine for a new set

[zenith harbor]

how would i get the curve of the front in the side view?

[strange quiver]

I'd probably do a step down like I did here

[steep echo]

Generally messing with lighting too

Dark pixels stand out more

[strange quiver]

Well highs/lows are good for contrast

Just how you use them depends on what you're drawing

[haughty pollen]

The octagons are a bit tricky. Check the 2cc trainset, it has them too and I recently added a cab car, though it's the old flat front one

[strange quiver]

They can also look at my set since I've done one

But only with the old cab car

[haughty pollen]

Flat fronts are super easy lol

[strange quiver]

Yee

Actually tbf the Xtrapolis trains have a similar shape, so they could kitbash the windscreen of those on

[bronze widget]

Yes please! If you’re doing speculative I think an EMU consist of that could be cool too

[strange quiver]

Oh actually that'd be a cool idea...

[bronze widget]

EMU or BMU if we want something that might be more realistic in America

[strange quiver]

Probably EMUs, if only because BMUs weren't really a thing in the 80s

[bronze widget]

Right I was thinking for a modern day “development”

[strange quiver]

Ah fair

Well tbh modern day I don't think they'd bother, they'd just order something new

But I was thinking more a new EMU from the era with a similar design/aesthetic

Maybe a newrr version of the metroliner

[bronze widget]

What if Budd got to design an Acela competitor?

[strange quiver]

I could see about that

I do wanna do something with that EMD F125/Budd tiltliner design

Would make a cool EMU version

[bronze widget]

Or maybe something like the Roger Williams train?

[strange quiver]

Well that's what the F125 basically was

[bronze widget]

Was it? I never heard of the F125, but looking it up it seems kinda...not the Roger Williams? Which was a consist of Budd RDCs hooked up with a snoot on each end

meant to resemble the Fairbanks-Morse Speed Merchants

[strange quiver]

Nah, thats a different thing

The F125 was an amtrak project

I'd send info but I'm at work atm and don't have access to my notes 🙁

[bronze widget]

That’s okay

[strange quiver]

Wait nvm

Sent a bunch of photos to a friend

But this, this is what the F125 was meant to be

Basically an XPT, and F40 and a 0 Series Shinkansen combined

Tbf, I have done a lot of the existing requirements for this....

[bronze widget]

Or like an American BR125?

[strange quiver]

Pmuch

[strange quiver]

Also I need to do the American version of the XPT

Maybe I'll do a few more American trains soonish and update it

Also random thought, but if I do an African train pack next, it might be worthwhile to split into an African/Arab world pack

The african set covering everything south of the Sahara since thats all narrow gauge

While the Arab pack would cover Morocco, Egypt, the middle east, etc, since those countries are generally standard gauge

Both would share a lot so I could easily do both and just share resources

[haughty pollen]

Ooh that would be cool

lots of interesting stuff in South Africa

[strange quiver]

Yeah, and more importantly lots of stuff I can reuse from existing sets :)))

Also at work rn, and one DA just came in where the guys header image included an early millennium design

So i might reuse that for something lmao

[gray grove]

random but this one is in AUS. 🙂 - NSU class near Marree, spotted it about ten years ago when i was there

[strange quiver]

Would you like me to do it?

[gray grove]

If you're willing 🙂 - from what i gather they used to be pretty common/important when the Ghan rlwy was still a thing.

[strange quiver]

I'll try and get to it this weekend then

I've already done the NJ class so completing the commonwealth narrow gauge set should be an easy win

[gray grove]

No worries. I'm just finishing adding your coaches (still on the NZAUS pack) to mine, then i'll try to amend some of the things you mentioned earlier + add the x2000.

[strange quiver]

Easy, lmk if you need a hand

Also if you have any livery suggestions

Its hard to pick what mostly 2cc liveries to send you lmao

Also I'll update the x2000 to have a livery matching the one in the original set

[mental musk]

BMU means batterry-contact MU (batteries or OHEL)?

if so, there were experiments with such traction evan ealier

[strange quiver]

Battery Multiple Unit

[mental musk]

Dude...

first battery only MUs were build in 1890s in Prussia

[strange quiver]

yeah, but that doesn't mean they were viable for high speed trains

[strange quiver]

also I'm not a dude 🙁

[mental musk]

oh, now I understand!

I dont think batterry power will ever be good for high-speed operation... As whan the speed increases the power consumption increases...

here You have an bonus from me

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/21/WP_Preußischer_AT3_Wittfeld-Akkumulatortriebwagen.jpg

Prussian Wittfield type batterry railcar

[strange quiver]

neat

[mental musk]

such an vehicle was the first electric train to ever drive to my hometown (Cracow, Poland)

also one more bonus

https://cs9.pikabu.ru/post_img/2018/09/25/11/153790154411635862.jpg

in the USSR few SR3 sets were rebuild from OHEL only to OHEL+batterry traction to operate on only partially electrified sections

the traction batterries are visible under the bodies of the non-motorised coaches

[steep echo]

i hope everyone is staying on topic

[strange quiver]

following up on this, but something like this for the regions

so it'd be a single set, just effectively split in two

in terms of Arab countries, I feel like Iran is obvious, but would Turkiye fit in?

obviously I'm not gonna work on this now, but it's something that I'll research over time so when I get to making it all the info is ready to go

[strange quiver]

also you can see the contrast in track gauges here

[haughty pollen]

Calling it Arab would be inaccurate if Turkey and Iran are included, but they make sense as part of a middle eastern trainset

[strange quiver]

but there's also the issue of Morocco isn't in the middle east, and it doesn't belong with the African set

[crystal crag]

Call it the NAME trainset

North African & Middle Eastern

[strange quiver]

that works :3333

I'd wanna keep it in line with my other sets, so NA&MERP?

[versed sparrow]

Funny name
Keep it pls

[crystal crag]

NAME-RP

[strange quiver]

but it needs to be consistent 🙁

idk, I'll sus it out, it's next year mes problem

[crystal crag]

That's the spirit

Kick the can for your future self to pick up

[turbid bronze]

na-merp

[civic ether]

WANA

West Asia and North Africa

Wanarp

[strange quiver]

that works :3

[bronze widget]

Oh, when I was using it I mean Bi-mode Multiple Unit

[strange quiver]

ah I get you. Tbh idk how that'd work with a turbine

actually they were dual mode anyway

at least the RTGs

[bronze widget]

I was just thinking the same form factor but a dual mode

Right they had third rail capacity so they didn’t pollute the cities

Or melt the asphalt on the bridges above them

[strange quiver]

yeah I'm sure that could work...

we'll see I suppose

[strange quiver]

did those Henschel TT12 locomotives for Ghana. I drew it a while back just never finished it. Hard to do, but I think this is fine

also @gray grove might be worthwhile for 2cc

oh apparently it's already in there lmao

[haughty pollen]

Yeah I was gonna say someone else already did it for 2CC-NG

[strange quiver]

one step ahead of me lmao

[haughty pollen]

Yours looks nicer, the other one was kitbashed from one of my old sprites lol

[strange quiver]

tbf mine is too lmao

[strange quiver]

NSU Class done

idk if I should make these standard gauge too, since they technichally did have SG bogies at one point

kinda weird seeing an Australian locomotive hooked up to BR Mk1s

[haughty pollen]

NSU always makes me think of the old German car brand

Was that a test run in the UK?

[strange quiver]

which one?

[strange quiver]

yee, they were manufactured there

[haughty pollen]

NSU Motorenwerke

[strange quiver]

ah fair, never heard of it

[haughty pollen]

They merged into Auto Union and became Audi

[strange quiver]

neat

[mental musk]

NSU was famous for wankel motors

and the K70 model eventually became the base for the first VW Passat

[gray grove]

I don't know how you people (sorry, just notsaying guys or girls, I don't know who is who) can do drawings so quickly. I've been spending the last two hours of yesterday evening modifying an existing metro car to make it look like some other one and the main visual difference is that the "other" one has slanted front 😄

[gray grove]

your version is nicer 😉

[strange quiver]

I've just got a lot of experience drawing :3

also the way I do it, I just recolour a base layer

that why my .xcf files have a CC1/CC2/White/Grey layer etc

makes doing liveries really easy/quick

[gray grove]

I saw your templates, as a concept they are useful, but my personal problem is the lack of comprehension of 3d space in terms of visuals. like to me it's not obvious at all how to do shading so that to create the impression of forms etc like slanting.

[strange quiver]

yeah, that just comes with experience I'm afraid

it takes a while but you'll get it eventually

[gray grove]

my coffee machine just auto-turned-off, which is a 30 min timer. that's to say to get from row 2 to row 1 (extend by 1 length and change the roof)
took me half an hour. on these two. not the rest.

getting the slanted-ish front was my yesterday evening, though that's been done on the others as well.

😄

[strange quiver]

tbf that front slat looks good to me

that's basically all you can do from this angly anyway

[strange quiver]

NZ DF Class done 🙂

[strange quiver]

🤔

[strange quiver]

spent this arvo updating the code for NARP, and added some Genesis liveries

change them so they use sprite stacking so doing all 3 variants doesn't take as much effort

[strange quiver]

also used sprite stacking for the same effect with this

[mental musk]

Maybe use variants for the Altoona L5A for it's prototype and production versions?

[strange quiver]

No 🙂

I only use variants for liveries

[mental musk]

it's Your set after all

[turbid bronze]

The prototypes can be hidden with a parameter afterall

[strange quiver]

yee

if you don't want them, disable them

or I'll sentence you to kickstarting landmines

[strange quiver]

also while I'm doing tweaks to NARP, I might have to re-do the F-units

irl they were ~15m long, which corresponds to 6/8 in my scale

but I drew them at 7/8

so I might re-do them as 6/8, and add the FP7/FP9 as 7/8 locomotives while I'm at it

[turbid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-hot-fuzz-narp-narp-angel-angel-narp-gif-25276883

I am excited for more NARP content 😄

[strange quiver]

tbh it won't be much

[turbid bronze]

awwww

[strange quiver]

just my brain was wanting to do a few more fixes and stuff

[turbid bronze]

oh well

I'll take whatever I can get 😄

[strange quiver]

valid lmao

also I'm gonna need to sus out how to change the length with the position in consist

since IRL, there weren't any FP7/FP9 B-units built, so they'll have to be 6/8

there's a way to do it and I did it for the X2000

but it's future me's problem

[turbid bronze]

Just make the B unit a seperate loco? I mean the DDxx's you already did that?

[strange quiver]

it also means I could convert that milwaukee road thing into a single unit

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I prefer for stuff that always have B-units, for it to just be automatic

I only wanna do separate B-units for stuff where it makes sense

[steep echo]

Are there any European locos with cabless B units?

I always thought it was a funny concept

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I guess the DD was an odd one where it first came out without an A unit to connect up to GP35's, etc.

[steep echo]

I used to love using B units with the round nose 40s and 50s American stuff

Have you drawn those?

[strange quiver]

yeeee

although I also wanna do separate B-units for the SD40s and the like

if I did it so it was automatic like the 50s stuff, it'd be weird

so it's better to just do separate B-units

[strange quiver]

yee, of course

[bronze widget]

Same

[strange quiver]

bwah

unable to decide what to do

someone give me something cool to draw

[turbid bronze]

i dunno lol

[strange quiver]

well aren't you helpful then >:/

[turbid bronze]

😛

[strange quiver]

I'm gonna do something Kiwi

might do the DF class

[turbid bronze]

well, I do know, but you won't wanna do it so I'm not gonna badger you 😛

[strange quiver]

what was your suggestion gonna be lmao?

[turbid bronze]

I was just gonna say american steamers 😛

[crystal crag]

Maglev/Monorail?

[strange quiver]

sooooooon

[turbid bronze]

Some maglevs would be fun

[strange quiver]

tbh tempting. I do wanna do some monorails/maglevs in a generic pack to go alongside other stuff

[turbid bronze]

I'd love a speculative future pack

in a ragin/horse fashion

[crystal crag]

There's definitely room for a maglev/monorail set tbh

I don't think I've ever actually used Monorail in any capacity in OpenTTD

[turbid bronze]

I'm using rims/frims still but the pixels aren't as nice as your pixels

None of my games typically get past 1960 if I'm lucky

Most die in the 1930's

so for all my pissing and moaning wanting a future set it's really a bit moot lmao

[strange quiver]

yeah, it's something I wanna do

we'll see though

I'll probably make some sort of monorail/maglev small set when I get a chance

I have also reserved IDs for future/speculative stuff in all my sets as well

biggest hurdle is just ideas

[crystal crag]

If you make maglev stuff

I feel like you should make Hypothetical Future Transrapid stuff specifically

For obvious reasons

[turbid bronze]

I'm a fan of the ECCO/ECJET in rims/frims

if you're going to go more scifi then the big russian made nuclear maglev from cyberpunk is fun

[strange quiver]

tempting...

I wanna draw atm, but I'll flesh out some design ideas when I have the chance

[turbid bronze]

Otherwise yeah, transrapid or sc maglev'ish type stuff

[strange quiver]

I probably wouldn't wanna do too much tbh

[turbid bronze]

I find some of the goofier concepts like the cargo maglevs are kinda neat

I don't think you'd need many

[strange quiver]

Maybe a roster of commuter/intercity maglevs starting in the 1990s, and commuter monorails starting in the 80s

and maybe one new train every decade until 2050?

[turbid bronze]

It's a short'ish time period you'd wanna cover like 1990's to 2050

[strange quiver]

so maybe less than 20 trains total

[turbid bronze]

Yeah

Broad brush strokes

[strange quiver]

yee, I don't wanna dedicate myself to another large set atm

at least not for a few years lmao

[turbid bronze]

Even in say Cyberpunk there's nothing new after about 2050

despite the current setting being late 2070's

[strange quiver]

well tbf the game is set in 2077

[turbid bronze]

Yeah aroun 2050/2060 there's a big ass corpo war and so any big infrastructure project worldwide is more or less cancelled

I think FRIMS ends up going til around 2100 but it's mostly just iterations on top of 'really fast passenger maglev train'

[strange quiver]

fair enough then lmao

[strange quiver]

yeah, it's hard to do near future stuff like that

but again, I always reserve ids out that far just in case

[turbid bronze]

do some goofy autonomous intermodal stuff like this, and then there's other dumb concepts people have done like this https://www.mdpi.com/2075-1702/12/12/863

[strange quiver]

sure lmao

[turbid bronze]

https://american-maglev.com/freight-solutions AMT have one as well

but they all seem to be variations on 'shiny smooth plastic thing wot go fast' and 'almost invisible thing under a conex wot go not so fast'

or linimo type low speed stuff, which in terms of their tracks tend to be similar to the conex type stuff

which RIMS/FRIMS all put on an 'urban maglev' track type

but tbh I'd just leave everything MGLV and ignore tracktypes

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'd do that too

but having urban style commuter maglevs is something I'd want

[turbid bronze]

tbh I've always kinda treated TTD's monorail as more a transrapid style maglev, and then the actual maglev I treat as an SC Maglev

Oh, then there's the hyperloop style 'pod in a toob' style maglev concepts

[strange quiver]

yee, although Idk if I'd do that

I'd rather not require a new tracktype

[turbid bronze]

yeah

[strange quiver]

also kinda wild seeing the contrast between a DF class and a normal EMD switcher

[turbid bronze]

damn

so smol

or moreso that switcher is so big

[strange quiver]

just a little guy

[turbid bronze]

just a lil guy

but the great thing is about a speculative future set is you can basically just pick whatever concept art you see that has a cool shape and go hog wild with it

[strange quiver]

yee, although it still has to fit the style

but again, we'll see

I do wanna try and be more unique if anything

[crystal crag]

When are we getting the Wardale 5AT But It Is A Maglev

[turbid bronze]

it's not like the old days of sets where people spent ten years making their sets and the future part became present partway through development, not with how quick you tend to work once you get started 🤣

I really missed in the old NARS and UKRS the speculative future trains they had

NARS just had some hybrids and a single maglev

but it was a fun little treat for the end game

[crystal crag]

Yeah I want to get the old UKRS future trains in, I already have the fictional future steamers

But I'd need someone to draw them

[turbid bronze]

Tropic set had a big triple unit hydrogen powered thing

beeeeeg

[crystal crag]

UKRS1 Had 2 Maglev, 2 'Advanced Steam' and 3 Fuel Cell locomotives

https://web.archive.org/web/20160215011046/http://www.pikkarail.com/ttdp/ukrs/vehicles.htm

[strange quiver]

I do kinda wanna being those back tbh

and DF class done

[strange quiver]

exactly 45 minutes lmao

[turbid bronze]

Actually unhinged

lol you work so fast

[strange quiver]

yeah

but tbf, with locos like these it's mostly kitbashing anyway

benefits of having done so many locomotives already

[crystal crag]

More Trains

Always good

Looking at the UKRS1 train list makes me want to see about actually making one of my concepts train sets a reality but I already have other things I should do first

[strange quiver]

if only we had infinite time 🙁

[crystal crag]

Ever since playing with the French Metric Set I've been wanting to make a set that takes train route availability more seriously. Small selection of trains + tracks. Lighter trains go faster but suck at pulling heavy freight. Heavy trains are slower but can only go on heavy track with a low speed limit. Make players choose where to build dedicated high speed lines vs low speed freight lines and stuff.

[strange quiver]

yeah, it would be cool

issue is you'd need to do a compatible track set at the same time and that can be annoying

[crystal crag]

I'm sure I can slap together something forked from JP+

[strange quiver]

when I get around to doing my own trackset for ORP, I want to include lightweight trackage that only lightweight locomotives can use tbh

but we'll see when I get there

[steep echo]

Draw my dog

He’s got wheels, he can go on tracks

[strange quiver]

no 🙁

[steep echo]

[turbid bronze]

Please hug your dog for me and tell him I said he’s the very bestest boy.

[crystal crag]

That is a very good boy

[gray grove]

i liked your fallout vehicle ideas hidden in your gimp files.
though i think it'd be cool if nuclear trains, when crashing, would obliterate a 100by100 grid or something. just for pseudoreality's sake. 😄

one thing i really dislike about 2cc set is that there is very little, if anything after around 2010. i think the whole concept of maglev wagons should be better exploited. i added some fake graphics into the new 2cc (that is using existing gen5 graphics and one existing engine) to the maglev realm so that to have something but otherwise i think futuristic things would be useful in (m)any sets. people don't always just play till 2030 or 2050. i'm doing a 2k by 2k map with some 5000 industries and tho i'm only 10% or so done, i'm already in the year 2080. ( it's also on youtube lol but nobody watches it.)

[haughty pollen]

That's what wallclock timekeeping is so good for, since that was introduced I hardly ever play into far future years

[mental musk]

The thing with futuristic stuff, is that it gets silly/unrealistic sooner than one would think

Compare the monorail/maglev future envisioned by the OG TTD with todays railways...

[gray grove]

Ah. Next time I guess. I never used that. (aware of the existence but haven't tried.)

[gray grove]

I was saying this to someone off-discord that if you ever look at the various "life in the 2020s" or some such predictions from teh 20th century, the one thing all of them got totally wrong is transportation, or more precisely what cars/trains/etc would look like. We seem to be collectively bad at that. Alas I still think it's kinda fun to add what then transpires to be incorrect two-three-six decades later.

[steep echo]

the problem is twofold

firstly, you can just lie to people about how good a technology is

loook at the hyperloop or whatever the elon musk "train" was called

and secondly, the reality of the future is boring

[dim pulsar]

🤔

[strange quiver]

The transgender

[flat void]

trainsgender

[strange quiver]

went to shower, and had a bad brain thought

gonna die doing it but bwaaaaah

also DC class done

I do also need to do the DBR class but that's a future problem

[mental musk]

DC class

It's an diesel loco

why this is soo funny?

[strange quiver]

insane thing to do, but the base sprite for the S-Set is done

the code is set up so that based on the year of purchase the sprites change

so if you buy one in 1972, it's the S1 cars with Tulloch trailers

then between 1974 and 2004 it's a mix of S1/S2 motor cars and Tulloch/S-Set trailer, and then from 2004 it's only S-Set trailers with S1/S2 series motor cars

I'm also thinking of having the PTC have random stripe placements, since they tended to be mixed IRL

[frosty sand]

Nice! That zig-zag livery effect almost looks intentional. 😄

[strange quiver]

I'm sure it wasn't

But it does look good

[mental musk]

I love the shade of blue

[strange quiver]

painful to do, but the PTC livery done with randomisation

gonna quickly do the other liveries now and then work on something else

[turbid bronze]

[strange quiver]

So many S-Sets

also it's so fucked up they never wore candy, they look so good in it

[mental musk]

wait, these are called S-sets?

Make an S-bahn-esque livery!

[strange quiver]

no 🙂

I'm too lazy atm

[haughty pollen]

Huh I didn't know the S-sets never wore candy, guess they were just plain grey in the 80s

[strange quiver]

pmuch

also the Comeng Cars never got the blue stripe city decker

but I decided to add that too

only the Goninan cars actually got it

[haughty pollen]

I remember the Citydecker livery and always wondered why it was applied so inconsistently

[strange quiver]

no idea tbh. Guessing it was more a test before they switched to the yellow only?

[strange quiver]

also quick one, but milleniums done

skipping the K/C sets for now since I'll need to tweak their code a fair but

but at least that should be simpler now 🙂

[earnest meadow]

Metra livery S-set when

[strange quiver]

🤔

[strange quiver]

stumped on what to draw, someone give me an Australian EMU/DMU to do (that isn't the K/C Set)

[reef gate]

The Australind DMUs and Prospecter WAGR WCA Railcar?

[strange quiver]

ooooh

I'll do the prospector

I was thinking of doing something special for them so we'll see how that goes...

[strange quiver]

probably will need more tweaking, but first draft of the prospector is done

I just re-used the cab from my old sprite so it's a bit crap

but yh, even at 10/8 they're technichally underscaled

in my scale they should actually be 11/8

[haughty pollen]

ooh, these are neat

[mental musk]

neat, but isnt it a bit too long?

Arent all fullsize coaches 8/8 at Your set?

[strange quiver]

yes, but IRL these were 27m long, 8/8 would be far too underscaled

and I do 8+ only on special occassions when its warranted

[mental musk]

27meters is a lot!

[strange quiver]

also now just realising that I should do a NSW version

IRL specification 2542 originally called for a Prospector like train for Newcastle/Canberra services, but they eventually dropped it in favour of Appendix D which eventually led to the XPT

also I might move the old/new prospectors to the express category, since they are substantially faster than other DMUs

[strange quiver]

2nd draft looks a bit nicer imo

also the derail valley community is making some weird stuff

tbh a BR N-Class does go kinda hard

[mellow loom]

Pretty much looks like a Class 58

[strange quiver]

Except ours is better looking 👈 😎 👈

[mellow loom]

Neither is exactly a looker tbf

[strange quiver]

Nah, the N class is imo

I really like them

[steep echo]

idk

i think the uk thing is better

but the N class has a better livery

[versed sparrow]

N class better cus the cab is nicer than the 58

[strange quiver]

also EMD engines are better than whatever BREL used lmao

[strange quiver]

quick run through, but I've done a bunch of refrigerated vans

[versed sparrow]

This one looks like the prospector

[strange quiver]

wdym?

[versed sparrow]

Oh wait I got the name mixed up

[haughty pollen]

I never realised how similar that looks to an endeavour set

[strange quiver]

they're surprisingly similar

these were also designed around the same time as the HPT DMU version, so I might also have to do a standard gauge version

[severe elbow]

Didn’t realise you did the DA

[strange quiver]

I've done most of the NZ diesels so far iirc

just not the british derived ones or shunters

[severe elbow]

I’ll definitely be using DSGs

[strange quiver]

yee, I'll have to do them first lmao

[steep echo]

Gives Spanish vibes

[versed sparrow]

Ok I have a really stupid idea why not streamline the front of the 2000 😛

[strange quiver]

in what way?

[versed sparrow]

Many designs

[frosty sand]

SPV-2000 😛

Probably 99% bondo

[versed sparrow]

Lol

[strange quiver]

maybe....

I'll see if I can do something fictional

a romance liner SPV 2000 would be kinda cool...

[versed sparrow]

Yes it would be amazing

Or you could just copy the 747 😂

[turbid bronze]

why it never went much faster than about 60-80kph 😛

and sounded like a box full of rocks the whole time

[versed sparrow]

Well the Adelaide government needed an express train and upgraded the track

Also it would be really funny

Like look at this unreliable locomotive and we just put some slab in front and boom new train

[turbid bronze]

I mean yeah, I used to ride them back in the day

that was november 2005 if the filenames of the photos from my old palm pilot are to be believed.

[versed sparrow]

The windows are certainly clean

[turbid bronze]

nothing in adelaide is ever clean

especially not trains heading to the southern suburbs

[strange quiver]

spent today expanding the freight wagon selection

these 4-wheel RU wagons are kinda annoying to draw, so I might return to them at a later date

also I really need some tanker wagons lmao

also if people have cool freight wagons suitable for this set lmk because I need suggestions 🙂

[gray grove]

btw i've taken a handful (only like five or so) from your NA set, particularly engines that were exported to S-Am as well because there was/is a distinct lack of avaialble engines in that region for 2cc -- thanks!

[strange quiver]

If you have some SA locos that you specifically want I can do them btw

A lot of the generic EMD/GE export units are relevant to my Aus and African stuff

[gray grove]

Ehh, usual problem, i am unfamiliar with it! But my biggest issue at the moment in 2cc is that when filtered to SA region there are literally 3 cargo-hauler items that are never-expire (ie they were intro'd after 1995) and they are all puny (100kmh or slower)

ok one of them is 160kmh but there is almost no choice anyway.

(screenshot from original 2cc but the new one is the same atm.)

[haughty pollen]

afaik a lot of locos used in Brazil are similar or the same as North American ones

[strange quiver]

Fair. Finding info on SA stuff is hard

[haughty pollen]

it's mostly GE or EMD export models down there

[gray grove]

actually as of ytd evening there's an extra one (from yours)

[strange quiver]

Some normal north American units were bought there tho

[strange quiver]

That's an electric locomotive 🙂

[gray grove]

lol ok. i'll correct it. 😄

[haughty pollen]

I might do some Brazilian electrics at some point

got a partial EP5 that I can finish

[gray grove]

you had it as diesel and i can't find anything on wiki that suggests otherwise?

[strange quiver]

Yee, but the sprite used is the E44, which is a 1960# electric locomotive

Similar name

[strange quiver]

Oh yh, I also did a little joe which would be relevant

Although yours might be better since mine is 10/8 iirc

[gray grove]

use this then?

[strange quiver]

Yee, that's the right sprite

[mental musk]

what was its purpose ,looks a lot like european calcium carbonate transport vagon

[strange quiver]

grain hopper

[mental musk]

I wouldn't guess from the photo!

[late pewter]

Idk if it is that helpful but since you both intend to make south american trains i believe i should share a website that catalogues most brazilian trains

http://vfco.brazilia.jor.br/

The site is old and a bit messy but it is a comprehensive source

[versed sparrow]

Lol I find it funny how 2cc ng has vietnam railway coaches yet no vietnamese loco to pull em 🙃

[gray grove]

that one isnt maintained by me - i think the guy who does it is around on the forums and github but not here

[strange quiver]

oooh, that's a really good source

[strange quiver]

entire VR T class family done lmao

I put these off for ages because I knew they'd be annoying, since they need to support all 3 gauges and there are 4 major variants that are all really similar

actually just realised another easy one I can add...

[strange quiver]

minor sprite fixes, and the H Class joins the group

also of the VR Diesels, only ones I haven't done so far are the C, F and P classes

so I could do them at some point to finish off Victoria

[dim pulsar]

This is not to be called "old". This is a truly proper website! It is the "new designs" with popup ads and slow loading times that went wrong. /gen

If only I could read Portuguese, I would spend a whole day on it

[strange quiver]

today at work was wild

I had to talk to the cops regarding an illegal NSFW premises operating out of a BBQ resturant

and then I had to deal with the lady who paralyses faces trying to paralyses faces again

so I'm gonna treat myself and do the P Class

[steep echo]

A slither of context would be nice

[strange quiver]

on which one lmao?

first one they were operating illegally and I had to check if they had consent

[steep echo]

Mostly the lady tbh

[strange quiver]

second one she got done for improper botox procedures, and she's trying to start up again and we're trying to stop her

[steep echo]

She sounds like fun

[strange quiver]

she's a batman villain

[steep echo]

Exactly

[strange quiver]

and everytime I think I'm done with her she comes back lmao

[versed sparrow]

👁️ 👄 👁️

That lady sure is weird

[steep echo]

I hope when I’m older I’m known like she is

[versed sparrow]

Lol today I was at uni tweaking my save games and saw the cops arrived
Turns out one student caught some selling vape and meth in the bathroom

[steep echo]

Ah yes

[versed sparrow]

Idk how but still i got to see a show

[steep echo]

Those two things are equally bad

[strange quiver]

guys need hobbies lmao

[versed sparrow]

And from one of my gossiping friends it turns out they had like 20 vapes and like 0.1 grams of meth

[versed sparrow]

Yeah they sure need a hobby

[strange quiver]

weird little thing

P class done

[late pewter]

So you could eat in and eat out at the same place? Sounds nice

[mental musk]

commuter coaches?

The doors look quite wide

[strange quiver]

I hope you get banned because I didn't come up with that joke

[strange quiver]

they're the same width as other suburban coaches

[strange quiver]

VR C class done

turns out it's easy to do when you've already done the SD40 lmao

might do the WAGR L Class quickly too

but yh, now the only VR diesel that I haven't done is the F class

[mental musk]

will You do the Vline livery too?

[strange quiver]

yee, I'm just prioritising new locos atm

it takes me about the same amount of time to do a new loco as it does to do 4-5 liveries

also I like to give myself space between drawing the train and doing more liveries since it makes catching errors easier

[strange quiver]

WAGR L Class done

I really need some stainless steal coaches to go with these lmao

[mellow loom]

Nice shading on those coaches

[strange quiver]

Thanks

[severe elbow]

bombardier bilevel livery bug

[strange quiver]

Yee, its fixed in the latest version, its just not public

[severe elbow]

ah cool

[strange quiver]

https://www.reddit.com/r/trains/comments/1tgik6v/fallout_locomotive_model_design_study/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

seems someone one reddit also had the idea of fallout trains

[strange quiver]

so many 4 wheel vans

trying to smash them out to get the vibe

I hate 4 wheel wagons

explodes anyone who likes them

[severe elbow]

Even late 4 wheel wagons?

Like 90s/00s ones?

[strange quiver]

well the last gen I plan to include them is the 70s

but the ids are reserved for the entire timeline

okay 2 more hoppers, but they're basically the same so aa

still just trying to get vibes right

also idk what I wanna do with scale

I could crush most up/down to 6/8 or 8/8, but that might look off

I feel like having some 5/8 and 7/8 is just annoying

also again, if people have cool wagons, send them to me because i need references 🙂

[mellow loom]

I'd like to see a generic "Fictional trains" set that would include stuff from games, TV shows, movies, books etc

I don't think I'd even use it, I'd just like that it exists

[strange quiver]

Yeah, it'd be cool, it just requires a lot of creative energy and time

I'll do my fallout set at some point since I have ideas

I do also wanna do a strangereal one, but that's more an excuse to do fun country combos, but I also haven't thought about it much and it'd be years off anyway

[gray grove]

Someone (idk who) had done a fallout industry set for openttd a long while ago, tho i think it never really came out of prerelease stage. it was kinda functional though.

[strange quiver]

Wasteland set 🙂

But yh, my thoughts was more pre war

And it'd piggy back off my existing NA stuff

[gray grove]

I still think crashing two nuke-powered trains should cause some form of meltdown 😄 i know they can't explode like nuclear bombs irl but you get the idea. Just wipe a 100 by 100 grid 😄

[strange quiver]

agreed, but idk how to code that lmao

we'll get a patch made

[gray grove]

I hazard it'd need a game code change. Not checked but I assume that there's an enum for diesel/electric/steam as engine type at the moment, add a nuclear and then if powertype == nuclear ....

i mean for costs and various other features there'd need to be a new powertype anyway

(not sure it's called a power type tho)

mind ya

make an ev_explosion_even_larger 😄

also enginetype

[strange quiver]

well it's not essential

all my stuff use the diesel power type for balancing

but that's because I'm lazy

also these giant AN livestock vans are cool

[gray grove]

fair - though what i meant was that if other engine types are defined in code and drive things like cost calcs in the game then i think those values would also need being intro'd if a new engine type was defined.
ie from a code perspective you can't just get away with sth like enginetype== diesel but visualeffect==nuke [unlikely anyway]

[strange quiver]

ah yeah I see what you mean lmao

[gray grove]

26km long? 😄 😄 (j/k)

[strange quiver]

don't give them ideas lmao

[gray grove]

i'm going to make the assumption that you're Australian (apologies if not) -> your railways can't be more f...d up than ours (UK) -- just look at the UK gov'ts' (plural) fuckering about with the highspeed2 line for years/decades. though it's not quite down to the trains themselves in tihs case but the whole of uk railways are pretty shafted.

[strange quiver]

yee, I'm Australian

and yh, it's cool we can still build things

we have a bunch of new rail projects happening atm which is really cool

[gray grove]

we don't lol. i mean HS2 was supposed to connect London to various places in the north and was supposed to be running by nowish. it's now going to be 1/3 of the length, only go as far as...a lot less far obvs and not due to run till 2040+, won't be that fast and generally will cost currently estd £100bn, likely more.
and for example in London there is no safeguarded railway route at the moment. none. zilch. so no new infra for london for at least 2-3-4 decades

[strange quiver]

yeah, the failure of HS2 is a condemation of British politics

the UK is basically a case study in to why you don't do nothing but austerity as economic policy for 20 years

But unsurprisingly for a trans person, I'm really not a fan of british politics lmao

[turbid bronze]

britain is a shithole lmao

[gray grove]

it's increasingly becoming so that's sure
alas i'm not quite convinced other places are much better. i have 2 passports (uk/eu), could move elsewhere, not tempted, same shit different packaging

[gray grove]

it's a bit more complex than that. Thatcher shut down a lot of the northern industries for a variety of reasons. whether that was good or bad i don't want to get into but what was certainly not good is that no govts ever since bothered to put money into those regions. so essentially a large % of the pop have been stripped of their living/income but nothing to replace that, also no extra education, infra, workplaces, nothing.
like...okay, get rid of the mines whatever but provide instead something (other than benefits). so we are now collectively surprised that some 50% of the north-east region is on free school meal vouchers (annual household income <10k or so) and that as a country, we have "divisions" and "problems". well f..k me that's a shocker, not.

and now we want to spend £100bn on a rail line that would be used by nigh nobody. instead of putting that money into those regions, sensibly. and i live in london so i am self-centered as anyone else and would rather see it in london but i admit the current setup is wrong/stupid.

[strange quiver]

yeah lmao. We actually had the same issue with a few towns in the 90s. My home city of Newcastle was like that, but the government worked directly with unions and industry to support the city/region in the transition from steel making

the fact that Newcastle is doing so well is a testament to what the rust belt and the british north could have been if they had been supported

[gray grove]

i think it's similarly bad in many places. if you look at the usa, the brown belt, unless if i know this correctly, is pretty shafted. and that's neither new, nor just the fault of recent gov'ts. not that they did much to improve
edited for typo

[strange quiver]

well yeah, it's because the government didn't do enough

but they didn't have to be

and while Australia has it's issues, we're doing pretty good atm all things considered

[gray grove]

haha maybe i should move there 😉

[strange quiver]

downside is its a bit warmer 🙂

[gray grove]

a bit, yes. and everything wants to kill ya in nature 😉

i recall my ex was australian and she wasn't generally squeamish about bugs etc and (in london) once she went into a full-blown panic mode over a spider. i didn't really understand why bcs it wasn't in her nature and so she'd just told me "yeah but in australia those things kill ya." 😄

[strange quiver]

tbf true

but idk how you can live in Australia and not have tolerance for spiders lmao

idk why people hate them, spiders are chill af, and 9/10 of them just wanna vibe in your house and eat bugs you don't like

they're the only pest that pays rent lmao

[gray grove]

haha. i don't mind them. at least the ones we have here in london. but me living on the 5th floor they are pretty uncommon

[strange quiver]

fair enough

I have a few in my place but they're chill

[versed sparrow]

Wait

Ragin is a trans ?

So he loves trains

Also here the new design for India high speed trains

[strange quiver]

yes

[strange quiver]

*she

[strange quiver]

I saw, they look really cool

[versed sparrow]

Oh ok then

I wonder how the trains will look in my country's high-speed rail

Although I have some concerns

[strange quiver]

what country are you in again?

[versed sparrow]

Vietnam

[strange quiver]

ah fairo then

[versed sparrow]

The budget is around 10 billion i think

It could make or break the economy

[gray grove]

let me guess, loan financed by china?

[versed sparrow]

Partially

And I just checked it's more at 67 billion

[strange quiver]

lmao, that's a fair bit

also a bit more on topic, but I smashed out a bunch of livestock vans, will finish more tommorrow but I cbf to do more of the bogie ones

[versed sparrow]

Oooooh bogie vans

Will you do car carriers ?

[gray grove]

why am i unsurprised about all that.
years ago went off to Laos. the country at best is an epic dump but hey they are building a highspeed line where everything is financed by china. all the signage is in chinese.
that's not to demean Vietnam but to say that china is a bit like the roman empire was/life of brian -> builds all the infrastructure to hold their neighbours (and faraway neighbours, incl hungary) to their will while actually loaning the money at rates others wouldn't - but with that, countries get bound to their will :sauron:

[strange quiver]

yee, but not in this round. I wanna try and do something special for those and my priority atm is getting all the core stuff done first

[versed sparrow]

Well we'll have to see the impact of the project

[gray grove]

good luck. you'll need it tbh.
china financed the budapest-belgrade (hungary/serbia) line, all documents marked state secret, zillions of $$, not compatible with eu safety systems, two trains per day can run on it at full manual low-speed. great.

[versed sparrow]

Yeah I saw how disastrous that project is

[strange quiver]

Random thought, but I should get someone to make an 8k Australia scenario to go with my trainset when its done

Would be really cool to be able to do a really big Australian game with all the new trains

Not sure if anyone would do that as a commission tho, or I guess I could trade sprites or something for it

[steep echo]

Six seveeeeen

[steep echo]

How much you talking ?

[strange quiver]

No idea tbh

I'd have to think about it

[versed sparrow]

That would be amazing but my potato phone couldn't handle that much so 4k at most 🥹

[steep echo]

Fair

[mellow loom]

HS2 DOES put investment into the north by allowing substantially more freight traffic up the WCML (and if the eastern leg had been built, MML and ECML)

Seeing it as taking away investment from the north is a little ridiculous frankly

[gray grove]

What i meant was that if i had £100bn to spend and i had to spend on investment outside london or (outside) the southeast i'd ratehr spend it on local opportunities or providing jobs and education, which are strategic, not an obscure train line that keeps getting delayed and offers limited benefit in a world where people do most stuff online anyway.
extending the capacity on the wcml is also a more sensible idea in my mind, i understand it's overly busy

[mellow loom]

There's no way to add significant capacity to the WCML, that's the point

The best way to add capacity to the WCML is to build another line next to the WCML and then take the express passenger services off it, because each 125mph passenger train frees up paths for two 75mph freight or regional/local passenger services

... so, HS2

[versed sparrow]

Killing the northern leg is the biggest blow tbh

[mellow loom]

Yeah the eastern leg was a nice to have, but with the MML and ECML (and to an extent GEML) there isn't the same crazy lack of capacity in the East. The manchester leg was genuinely vital

[strange quiver]

so many more goods vans

[haughty pollen]

DVT needs a sprite without windows 🙂

[strange quiver]

no 🙂

tbh I'd rather it be just a passenger version

IRL it was V/Line who considered importing them, and I can't imagine they'd need a baggage/mail DVT

[haughty pollen]

I'll do one for the 2cc set then

[wind valley]

Would be cool to have a ferrous equine esque random car selection for each length of car

[strange quiver]

it's on the cards 🙂

but length isn't consistent between types, since I'm going more for realism with these, and most wagons of the same era are different lengths

[strange quiver]

yee, this is more fictionalised anyway

[versed sparrow]

Pointy

[mental musk]

if I were You I would rename large goods van to extra long goods van, as in its general size/volume it seems to be similer to the hi-cube

[strange quiver]

I feel like large works better

it's larger than the normal ones

and the hi-cubes have a different name

[mental musk]

if it comes ealier than the hi-cubes it is ok to call it large

[strange quiver]

Its at the same time

[strange quiver]

also I previously was using more realistic lengths for wagons, but I'm thinking of swapping to standardise everything on 4/8, 6/8 and 8/8 for player simplicity

might mean things aren't scaled properly, but it should make gameplay simpler

[frosty sand]

I support this

[strange quiver]

noted 🙂

actually, with the extra long stuff, should I standardise them at 10/8?