Ragins Train Sets

[haughty pollen]

Where was steam still running in 1983?

[strange quiver]

one Z26 at a cement works at Portland, NSW, and 14 SMR 10 class locos working the former J&A line in the hunter valley

https://youtu.be/EWz65isJZfc?si=lupwVeZMrQOMELlG

it's actually really weird seeing such an ancient tank locomotive with compartively modern cars

[strange quiver]

SMR 10 class done and in it's natural habitat (in a swamp hauling coal)

would it be worthwhile including imported heritage locomotives in the set too?

there was a castle class imported for a bit, as well the flying scotsman

[strange quiver]

🤔

I could do the AD60, and this Garratt version of the class 38

[versed sparrow]

Yes pls

A streamline garratt is so beautiful

[turbid bronze]

Yooooooo

[strange quiver]

can do then

[strange quiver]

yes yes, it's on the list, dw

[versed sparrow]

Wait so are you intending to add the 2 variants although both have a minor difference being the streamline front

[strange quiver]

probably not if it's very minor

only something that's substantially different

[versed sparrow]

Ye only the front changed

[strange quiver]

oh yh not doing that then, no way I could get that much detail

the font is just gonna be a pixel lmao

[versed sparrow]

Lol

[strange quiver]

the XPT text on these was only 2, and that was a decent amount of space to work with by comparison

[versed sparrow]

Suprise that the only Atlantic type in auz where tank engines

[strange quiver]

yh, it's kinda odd

but also those were weird since they were converted Z12 class 4-4-0s

[versed sparrow]

They were ?

First time hearing that

Also I am wondering that the r is the only 4-6-4 tender locomotive in auz

[strange quiver]

potentially

it's the only tender 4-6-4 on my list atm

but it's also missing a fair amount of WA/SA/Tasmania locomotives

[mental musk]

generally steam locos with ony 2 drive axle have low pulling power, unless thay have high axle load...

I suppose taht maximum axle load on most lines were too low to accually build an heavy duty loco with only 2 drive axles

[haughty pollen]

An Atlantic is what you built if you wanted a fast, light passenger engine around 1900. Australia's railways weren't fast enough to justify that design here

[strange quiver]

pretty much

also, ROD 2-8-0 locomotives done

maybe a bit overscaled, but I'll tweak them in future

IRL these were built for service in WW1, and a handful were sold to J&A Brown to work colliery lines in the hunter valley after the war

they continued to work the lines post WW2, even when J&A Brown and the SMR were integrated, and they investigated either continuing service with the 10 class or these when they were getting old, but decided on the 10 class

so there is an alternate timeline where these guys see service into the 1980s, instead of being retired in the 60s/70s

I think it is an issue with scale, but it some come out seeming too big, but some are too fine

but I'll get it eventually

[mental musk]

so this is something like german kriegslok or BR austerity?

[strange quiver]

kinda, they were a cheap loco, but for moving goods to/from the frontline in Europe

but most went back to the UK after the war

during WW2 a bunch went to the middle east to work the lines in Iran and Palestine though

[mental musk]

it apears that 2-8-0 was the go-to wheel formula for simple but powerfull locos that could be operated with little service and run on bad, porrly maintained track

[strange quiver]

pmuch

[strange quiver]

Big tank engine done 🙂

[strange quiver]

should I do the NSW D57 or VR H Class next? Tempted to do either

[turbid bronze]

Either is good

I dig the VR H though

[strange quiver]

VR H it is

[versed sparrow]

Harry

[strange quiver]

we love harry

[mental musk]

after all, it is an TANK engine, and tanks are big?

https://tenor.com/view/yes-gif-25832437

[strange quiver]

VR H Class done 🙂

[turbid bronze]

yoooooooooo

looks sick

[strange quiver]

thanks!

took a lot more tweaking that I expected, but still somewhat straigt forward

[strange quiver]

low creative energy atm, and I'm thinking about the roster I have atm

I think where the steam locomotives are atm is playable

I think I'd probably want one more interwar/WW2 era passenger locomotive, and maybe an interwar freight locomotive

after that the gap from 1880 to the first diesels should be plugged

does anyone else have any opinions on what else might be essential?

[turbid bronze]

hmmm yeah bit of a gap in years, it's not so bad if running alongside NARP but with just orp it's a big jump between the ML1 and the last steamer

alas I am a train nerd but like that kind of train nerd so fuckknows

[strange quiver]

tbf the last steamer now is the H class in 1941

so that'll bridge it a bit

if I do the D57 and D58, that two new freight locos in the 20s and 30s

and then the C38s would cover the 1940s

[turbid bronze]

Yeah not bad side by side with NARP at least since the E1 comes out in '38

[strange quiver]

yee

but the plan is they can run solo 🙂

[turbid bronze]

yee

i however will not do that because less trains is less good than more trains

c38 looks cool

[strange quiver]

valid, I'm the same lmao

[strange quiver]

yeeeee

I will have to do a streamlined and non streamlined variant which should be annoying

[turbid bronze]

:3

[strange quiver]

fml I just realised I'll have to do broad/standard gauge version of the streamlined and non streamlined S Classes

bwah

[strange quiver]

Clyde JE28C done

wanted to do something quick this arvo

[versed sparrow]

Biggest boi in auz

[strange quiver]

it's very much on my list, dw 🙂

[haughty pollen]

I was lucky enough to get pulled by that beast on its inaugural run

[versed sparrow]

That's one nice trip

I would love to be on a train pulled by a steam loco

[strange quiver]

well idk where you are, but transport heritage here runs regular tours

[versed sparrow]

But since my railway is "kinda" iffy

[versed sparrow]

Oh im in vietnam

The railways here are mostly meter gauge

[strange quiver]

ah yh fair

[strange quiver]

yeah, and they probably have other priorities anyway

[versed sparrow]

Yh the government is buidling a high speed line

Although im a little skeptical since the funding is kinda "eh"

[strange quiver]

fair fair

I'm still upset the VFT didn't happen here, because Vietnam was one of the countries they were eyeing selling Australian designed high speed trains to 🙁

[versed sparrow]

Well I would love to see it but our goverment was having alot of issues so i doubt they would go through with buying it

[strange quiver]

probably lmao

I just like seeing Australian trains in south-east asia

[versed sparrow]

Thailand almost got the xpt

But due to "unknown" reasons the australian government canceled the funding effectively killing the plan to convert a xpt

[strange quiver]

that wasn't what happened iirc

the Australian government did fuck a bit with export funding and kinda screwed Comeng

but the cancellation for the contract came from the Thai government

[versed sparrow]

That's weird

I remember it was the auz gov not the thai

Prob my mind misinterpreted some sources

The most diabolical aspect was when comeng executives were about to board the plane to talk about the contract when the announcement of it getting canceled was announced

[strange quiver]

yeah no you're correct

this is what's in the history of Comeng vol. 5 on the matter

[versed sparrow]

Shame that they pulled the funding

Imagine an xpt going 120 on meter gauge

[strange quiver]

yeah, would have been cool

sometime I'll do the Thai XPT in a trainset

[versed sparrow]

The livery i think it would be somewhat similar to this

[strange quiver]

maybe

we don't really have too much info on the livery

the drawings in the book give some hints

but knowing what Comeng was like, there's probably a drawing by Phil Belbin of it rotting away in a container somewhere

which also means I'll probably have to find it

[frosty sand]

Oh no, more obscure train research! 😄

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

I really need to go back to the museum lmao

[versed sparrow]

Wait a bo-bo-bo xpt

THAT LOOKS SO COOL

[strange quiver]

yee, which is why it sucks it didn't get built 🙁

[mental musk]

dont be that sad, some tribo locos accually were build

eg this lovley Skoda 93E ||although only as 4 prototypes||

https://www.skoda-club.net/graphics/gallery/full/809_184_503_sdkd_t3_-_t21.jpg

[versed sparrow]

That's obscure

First time seeing it

[mental musk]

https://www.atlaslokomotiv.net/katalog/184/vykres.jpg

[strange quiver]

yee, QR built plenty of Tri-bos here

and NZ has a bunch

[mental musk]

https://www.prototypy.cz/?rada=184

https://www.prototypy.cz/zobrobr.php?filename=184typak.jpg

description and drawing

[steep echo]

Stay on topic

[versed sparrow]

Ok ok

[mental musk]

VL85

There was also
VL15 (analogue for DC OHLE)
VL65 (single section variant of the VL85, general purporse)
EP1 (single section variant of the VL85, passenger version with higher top speed and an on-board computer but without MU controls)

[steep echo]

@mental musk

[frigid drum]

I was paid to promote NEVZ locomotive, can't stop me

[steep echo]

This is aimed at you more than anyone

[mental musk]

thay had quite a lot of good designs

also thay helped us to design the EP09

[frigid drum]

Ok let's stop here

[mental musk]

https://przystaneksklep.pl/public/upload/sellasist_cache/original_0fab0fe4a1f6603bdff0ab2050ac8af7.jpg

[versed sparrow]

Fun fact the xr class had a b unit

[strange quiver]

I should really do that

I've already done the series 3 X classes

so the rebuilt and XRB class wouldn't be too hard

[bronze widget]

oooh, I was just about to start a NARP game and was looking for a steam starter stopgap. Should I wait a bit? This looks exciting.

[strange quiver]

I'd probably wait. Give me a few weeks and it should be ready to go

Or at least the first draft should be

[bronze widget]

Let's goooooo

I'll take the time to find a good America-inspired heightmap

[strange quiver]

Lmk if you find one, I'm always keen for heightmap reccomendations

[bronze widget]

Will do. Looking for PA-inspired stuff in particular after a recent road trip through there

[strange quiver]

hopefully you find something then 🙂

also, NSW D57 class done

I think a quick W might also be doing the NSW D53 and D55 classes too

since they're similar to the D50s I've already done, and would flesh out the freight roster

also the Commonwealth Railways K/KA class were based on them too

[versed sparrow]

I love to use these

Although 1 small tiny itsy bitsy nitpick being the speed of these locomotives

Not that huge of a problem

[strange quiver]

how so?

[versed sparrow]

Well not that big of an issue just that I can't run 100 mph steam trains on my mainline

[strange quiver]

yh, but there are no Australian steam locomotives that were designed exceed 70mph

[versed sparrow]

Well the 520 reach a top speed of 78 mph but only 70 in regular service

Fastest speed achieved by a steam loco in auz

Again not that big of an issue

[strange quiver]

yee, they might be bumped to the higher speed, but I'm going to try and leave everything at the speeds they're capable of running at

[steep echo]

Generally steam going much over 120kmh anywhere is the exception more than the rule i think

[strange quiver]

pmuch

[versed sparrow]

Yeah

[strange quiver]

in my research it seems most locomotives in Australia topped out at 80kph until the 1920s

[versed sparrow]

Yep

[strange quiver]

most freight locos were limited to 40kph

[versed sparrow]

Kirby Paul would be proud

[haughty pollen]

Nice, was hoping for the D57

[versed sparrow]

Ah look at this magnificent beautiful locomotive surely one of them was preserve right ?

Riiiiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttt ?

[haughty pollen]

I've never seen it so probably not

[strange quiver]

lmao

I will try and do the S class soon-ish

[versed sparrow]

Yep only the tender remained

Well sort of even now it's only the frames 😭

[strange quiver]

the S-Class or C38 are the streamlined passenger locos I wanna include

[haughty pollen]

Seems like a good contender for a Tornado-style rebuild

[versed sparrow]

Well they did tried to preserve it but uh that failed

[haughty pollen]

except in standard gauge so that it can actually go places

[versed sparrow]

So regular speed were 115 kph or 71 mph

Seems to be the standard speed for big express locos there

[strange quiver]

well it was the max speed on railways in Australia for a long while

first to break it iirc was the Prosector railcars doing 145kph in the 60s

[versed sparrow]

Then the xpt reach 193 kph

Then a narrow gauge tilt train reached 210 kph

I wonder when they gonna build a hsr line to Antarctica

[haughty pollen]

Fastest I've ever been on a train in Australia was 130km/h on an endeavour set

[versed sparrow]

Considering the signaling and track conditions

Pretty fast

[strange quiver]

NSW D50, D53, and D55 class done

easy 3 for 1

[turbid bronze]

yesssssss

https://tenor.com/view/agent-smith-give-me-more-the-matrix-reloaded-gif-13930641

[strange quiver]

sooooon

I'm gonna try and do 1 more tonight, but we'll see

[turbid bronze]

Eh, don’t wear yourself out

[strange quiver]

I'll try not to 🙂

[strange quiver]

Bogie or 3 wheel tender? 🤔

[versed sparrow]

Bogie

[strange quiver]

alright

[strange quiver]

NSW C32 class done

easy W since it's basically a D50 with a different wheel arrangement

also with this roster so far, I think we're doing pretty good

[versed sparrow]

"Lazy lizzie"

Funny name

[strange quiver]

yee :333

I do also need to do big lizz at some point

complete the sisters

[strange quiver]

🤔

[strange quiver]

also when I do north american steam, should I include some (fictional) garratts?

IRL ALCO got the license but never sold any, but they'd be cool to include as branch line/narrow gauge locomotives

[frosty sand]

Sounds like you’ve answered your own question 😛

It would be good to have some super-heavy steam, I think about the biggest are the East Broad Top’s last three Mikados (Nos. 16-18) and the DRGW K-37. 🙂

[strange quiver]

I just like external approval 🙂

[strange quiver]

oooh yh, I could imagine with US loading gauge you could make a massive garratt

[turbid bronze]

Jawn Henry! And not just because of that joker on the GitHub who got banned lmao

[strange quiver]

lmao

it's on the list!

although iirc it's in the modern locomotives list since it's not really a classic steam locomotive

[wind valley]

If you wanna be funny with fictional locos, narrow gauge Rio grande garratt

(iirc both of these models are kit bashes)

[strange quiver]

Omg I'll absolutely steal that

[dawn veldt]

those will be in NARP too? i thought NARP was finished?

[strange quiver]

Its not finished, I'm just not working on it atm. I'll pick it up again eventually

[dawn veldt]

oh, i thought it was considered ffinished 😅

[strange quiver]

Nah, still WIP, I just swap between them 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Since when are grf’s ever finished lmao

[strange quiver]

Well I plan to finish them someday 🙁

With how much progress I make it shouldn't take too long lmao

[turbid bronze]

No I’ll just add more things to your todo list 😛

[strange quiver]

I get through it quickly tho

Just look at how many steam locos I've managed to do in the last few weeks 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Yeah that was honestly kinda unhinged how quick you got through those even adding animations too

I need to bully @signal gate to add animated steamers now 😛

[strange quiver]

Yeah, I'm surprised more people don't do it

Its really not that much extra work when you're used to it

Only downside is with stuff like Garratts, but I'm still yet to cross that bridge

It might be easy, or could be annoying

[dawn veldt]

if its okay to ask, do you plan to add more railcars to NARP eventually?

[steep echo]

It’s a really neat feature yeah

It’s gonna be in my set too, it was in the sbb set after all xd

It adds a lot of life to vehicles

[strange quiver]

Yee, thats planned

Did you have any specific suggestions?

[dawn veldt]

youre okay with me sharing my thoughts about it?

i just didnt want to bother about it too much or come offf the wrong way by mentioning/asking things like that

[strange quiver]

Yee, I like suggestions

[dawn veldt]

i feel it'd be good to have various sizes of cars, maybe nest them in one another similar to how horse does? i know tank cars have 3 different sizes and typically theyre blank, some are white. covered hoppers also have 3 different sizes, there are 2 bay, 3 bay, and 4 bay variants. i noticed there are a few different box cars already implemented. i find the different sizes really helpful! and also add a touch of realism.
if wellcars are something that come in down the road if there could be a 3 pack and a 5 pack option along side the single car variant, i was thinking maybe have a couple variations that when you purchase them they show at "random" where when fully loaded some only have 1 container and others have the 2 stack? not sure how easy that sort off thing is to add or level of detail youre aiming for either.

i assume youre not interested in trying for IRL liveries either eh?

also i hope that didnt come offf sounding "demanding" those were just a few ideas i had ffor a while well pondering if i should learn how to make a GRF so i could make my own Railcar set

i play for realism, and well i work for a railway and just wanted to bring all the variations of cars into the game to play with 😅

i could find some pictures to explain what i mean in some cases if you want, not sure if all of that made much sense 😬

[strange quiver]

Different length cars and fixed packs are not something I'm considering atm

Imo they just clutter the buy menu and don't add much gameplay wise

Plus they also don't really exist in Australia or the US in the same way they do in europe

[dawn veldt]

i suppose, i considered smaller cars have a smaller capacity 🤷‍♀️

[dawn veldt]

oh? they do in the US...

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but imo it doesn't add too much gameplay value

[strange quiver]

Yh, but the difference is often negligible

Fixed packs also wouldn't add too much gameplay wise imo too

[dawn veldt]

i suppose, then again i also play the game differently than others 🤷‍♀️

i play the "wrong" ways 😅

[strange quiver]

Tbf I normally play for realism too

But I also wanna prioritise stuff that I would find useful

I kinda have to be selfish and design my sets for myself 🙂

But I'm also open to adding them in future after doing some testing

[dawn veldt]

i understand that too,

[dawn veldt]

lol, thats entirely why i was hoping to find time to make my own set 😂

[dawn veldt]

i'd be open to helping test them if thats an option?

[strange quiver]

I prefer to work solo

But if you ever want help with drawing/code I'm more than happy to help

[dawn veldt]

oh also, i remember mentioning the hoppers show blue cargo when theyre loaded, i noticed i still havethat in mine btw, but will mention i feel its just a me issue, i thought i updated everything but i havent checked again since for that.

[dawn veldt]

lol i just need to learn how to do that 😅

[strange quiver]

Okay I'll have to follow up on that

[dawn veldt]

i get it, im the same with a lot of thing aswell.

[dawn veldt]

not sure if anyone else is having that too or if its just me.

[strange quiver]

I can easily show you if you want. It's easy once you've been shown

And my code is relatively basic too so its easy to copy

And my sprites can also be easy to copy from

[dawn veldt]

i'd be open to seeing sometime, the railroad keep me on call however and im getting close to a call now but that is something i am interested in for sure when there is time. if its okay to ask, which part of the world do you live in? just so i have an idea of time difference...

i obviously am in North America

[strange quiver]

I'm in Australia, and my time zone is AEST

But I can also send you a basic grf source to work off of

[dawn veldt]

oh you got both train styles! nice!

[strange quiver]

That might be a good starting point

[strange quiver]

Well its why I do American and Australian stuff lmao

[dawn veldt]

youre free to DM me anything like that, i'll certainly take a look when im not busy with work.

[strange quiver]

I'll send you some info to get started tonight then

[haughty pollen]

You could do it visually only, without requiring extra vehicle types, like how Horse does it

[strange quiver]

Yee, thats also been on my radar. Still not sure if I'll pursue it tho

We'll see

[turbid bronze]

Tis why I load side by side with Horse, covers off anything else weird/silly I need if it’s out of scope for Ragin’s sets. Looking forward to being able to run horse in wagons only mode at some point once the steamers are done for NARP 🙂

But I also like the idea of doing an island map and using different vehicles on different islands. Like run NARP on one big landmass, ORP on another, horse on another, yadda yadda.

[strange quiver]

Tbf the ORP stuff will be more complete before NARP will be

[turbid bronze]

It’s ok, I’m distracted by Starfield atm 😛

[strange quiver]

Oh dear I'm sorry for your loss 🙁

[turbid bronze]

Hah I’m enjoying it 2nd time around

[strange quiver]

Oh god its terminal 🙁

[turbid bronze]

I do like my Bethslop

[strange quiver]

Tbf it can be good

But imo Bethesda has gotten pretty bad as of late

[turbid bronze]

Yeah, they’ve fixed one of the big issues I had with the game now, the over reliance on fast travel, you can now freely fly around individual star systems now, but planetside you’re still limited to your 10k squared procedurally generated chunks which I’m ok with honestly, like star citizen you can drive around a whole planet if you like but even with the distorted scale in Star cit whole planets and moons are fucken BIG

And there’s a lot more to actually do now

[strange quiver]

fair enough

I might give it a go then

at least when it's on sale

[versed sparrow]

I would love to use the steam set

[strange quiver]

found a new fucked up creature

turns out Bulgaria ordered a 2-12-4 tank engine

[haughty pollen]

I think one of those still runs even

[strange quiver]

I need to go see it lmao

[haughty pollen]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kLvrmf9CiD8

[strange quiver]

I love it

[steep echo]

Janky af

[strange quiver]

doing research on american steam locomotives, and these NYC Mohawks looked really good with the big smoke deflectors

[versed sparrow]

Or this funny thing

[strange quiver]

goober things

[strange quiver]

that's it's name when I add it now

[turbid bronze]

i like big smoke deflectors and I cannot lie

[gritty bone]

Like all I want for the m1 is basically two variants. One with the pre-war guise (aka similar to the old Us train sets sprite) and one with a post war sprite. Hell, pre-war sprite can have the M1a stats, while the other can have the M1b stats.

[strange quiver]

Well I can look into it

[turbid bronze]

Really stoked with this, that's a good range of locos now to cover a 1900 start

[strange quiver]

stil needs more though...

[turbid bronze]

For sure, but it's in a much more playable state now 🙂

And its good to take stock of your achievements every so often, you've done well 🙂

[strange quiver]

thanks

but still, more steam...

also ID's are gonna get bumped around if you're playing with it atm

[strange quiver]

also I still need to pester you for that JP+ broad gauge fork 🙂

[turbid bronze]

I dunno how I'd actually do that tbh

the ID allocations didn't work how I hoped they would

Some of the ID's I'd hoped to use were already used by enabling unelectrified standard gauge in JP+

[strange quiver]

ah yeah fair enough then :/

guess it'll have to be a new set then

I'll try and work on it at some point

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I'm just doing without for now

[strange quiver]

yee

it's compatible anyway

it's just all the broad gauge stuff defaults to standard instead

also these SAR locos....

[strange quiver]

it's like a baby mohawk

[frigid drum]

One idea that could be used for tracks is making a "presets" param
Like:

1. Manual (default) basically as it is now
2. 3 gauges
3. UK or something and etc

[turbid bronze]

Yeah problem is we need standard, narrow, broad, electrified and non electrified, and third rail.

and ragin wanted AC and DC 😛

so it gets messy

I wanted to nick ID's from scotch gauge but you already nick those for unelectrified standard gauge iirc

[frigid drum]

Yeah, looks like boolean hell

With presets no need for id's trickery, you just make a duplicate rail and assign another id

[turbid bronze]

yeah problem is I also like to turn on/off things that other people want or don't want, for example I don't enable any of the chips surfaces, only the ISR one.

guess that comes down to the 'opinionated design' aspect

whoever commits the PR has the correct opinion 😛

[frigid drum]

Make a link to jp+ tracks wiki to the "make your fork" page

[turbid bronze]

that's my general rule when dealing with demanding end users, PR || GTFO

[strange quiver]

me 😎

[strange quiver]

and yh, from the sounds of it, it would be

so I'll probably just make a new grf but re-use JP+ sprites as a temporary place holder

[turbid bronze]

I have a lot more respect for the opinions of people who are willing to put in the work themselves. Doesn't need to be a PR on my own repo, but yeah throw your hat in the ring.

do something

[strange quiver]

yeah, agreed

like I'm lazy so if you do the work for me I'm more willing to listen 🙂

[turbid bronze]

I just tend to find people who are involved in this stuff tend to have more realstic and respectful requests

[strange quiver]

that's also true 🙂

[versed sparrow]

Same class btw

[strange quiver]

no actually, the 620 was a derivative, but not identical

you can see stuff like the tenders are quite different

[versed sparrow]

Oh yeah

[strange quiver]

yee

even the unstreamlined versions are slightly different

[haughty pollen]

Ooh I like the stripes on that one, very unique

would be a pain to draw in pixels though 😛

[strange quiver]

yeahhh....

[versed sparrow]

Huh Tasmanian railway had an atlantic garratt

Allegedly they can go beyond 100kph

[strange quiver]

Oooh

Do you know what class they are?

Or have any details on them?

I should add one of these fucked up contraptions

[strange quiver]

sorta realising that the highest Id used in the steam set is only 1700

so I could easily have all the steam, diesel, and electric locomotives in a single GRF

okay integrated my spreadsheets and there's more than enough space

I'll integrate the GRFs themselves now

poggies

I'll have to re-assign all the IDs, but keeping it as a single GRF should be easier on the players side

I won't be able to do this with the american set since it has so many articulated electrics/diesels that hog all the ids

[turbid bronze]

I've been using sort by intro date for the engines lately

in-game

I really wish it would remember that setting when I close the game though ugh

[strange quiver]

would be convenient, but no 🙁

at least I sort all my locos by type and then intro date

[haughty pollen]

Something something write a PR 😛

[strange quiver]

no 🙂

[strange quiver]

SAR 600 class done

also technichally the first "American" locomotive, since it's an Australian variant of the USRA light pacific

[versed sparrow]

TGR M Class Garratt

[strange quiver]

neat

added it to the docs this morning 🙂

[versed sparrow]

It's on narrow gauge to speed prob around 50-60 mph

[strange quiver]

probably less but we'll see

[versed sparrow]

Aussies having some quirky locos

Also have the distinction of the only 8 cylinder garratt

[strange quiver]

yee, lots of funky stuff

[versed sparrow]

Wait I have a question

Are steam rail motors gonna be added ?

[strange quiver]

yee, but in the MU set

they're also low priority

[versed sparrow]

Ah I see

The 720 class does look similar to the 620 class

[strange quiver]

yee, well they were designed by the same person at the same time

[strange quiver]

big fan of these NZR giant shunters with slopeback tenders

kinda weird because it's mixed traffic, as they were both heavy shunters and occassional passenger locomotives

[severe elbow]

in fairness, its new zealand, every loco was mixed traffic

[strange quiver]

Yee, I know

still, it's neat 🙂

[severe elbow]

yea

[strange quiver]

okay so I'm just blocking out the Garratts atm for testing

I'm gonna have it in three parts with the wheels overlapping to make animations easier

it's just annoying because I need transparency in those purple areas otherwise I get bad clipping

but if I have nothing there, on curves you can see through the locomotive

there's not some way I can have it so the middle part is always drawn on top?

although I might just be overthinking things since the original NARS used a similar trick and despite the weirdness it caused

I think considering it's only super noticeable on a few angles, I'll just keep it transparent

that'd avoid the most glitching seemingly

[bronze widget]

Plz call it Total American Rail Pack /s

[strange quiver]

TARP?

[bronze widget]

yes

(I just find it funny)

[strange quiver]

sure 🙂

[bronze widget]

wait no I was joking 😂

[strange quiver]

Ik, dw

[bronze widget]

ha

I made a joke elsewhere that combining NARP with South American and Caribbean trains would make the true Trans-America Rail Pack (TARP)

[strange quiver]

well at some point I do wanna do south american trains

but... I also wanna focus on either South African or South East Asian trains first

[vestal minnow]

I can see you doing the whole world eventually

[strange quiver]

probably

given enough time 🙂

[flat void]

You could overwrite the electrified narrow gauge

[haughty pollen]

No, electrified narrow gauge is very necessary

[strange quiver]

if anything Australia has more electric narrow gauge than broad/standard electric

[flat void]

then overwrite narrow gauge DC electric

[strange quiver]

we need DC narrow gauge

(new zealand uses it, and WA used it for a bit)

[flat void]

balls

stupid wellingotn

[haughty pollen]

Australia doesn't have AC standard gauge though (unless you count that one unfinished metro line)

[flat void]

nor any combined AC/DC tracks

[strange quiver]

but there were also lots of proposals for it

and stuff like the XPT-E and VFT both used AC

[haughty pollen]

Oh yeah, maybe someday

[flat void]

I don't think there's any (current) third rail or linear motor either

wait a sec

sydney had third rail

[strange quiver]

no, but third rail was proposed for use in both melbourne and sydney

when I get around to making a custom trackset, I'll want 2ft gauge, 1067mm AC/DC, 1435mm AC/DC/3rail, and broad gauge AC/DC/3rail

so it's a lot of track types that need to be supported

[flat void]

maybe we need to frankenstein xUSSR with JP+

[strange quiver]

well I'm probably just gonna steal assets from JP+ and write the code myself

and make new assets where needed

[earnest meadow]

Would like to see Brazilian trains tbh

specifically the commuter sets

[strange quiver]

oh yh, long term they're on the cards

[flat void]

I like how everybody decided collectively on 600 or 750VDC for metro and tram lines, but heavy rail was like "what if we all used completely different voltages and frequencies?"

[strange quiver]

doing those EMUs/DMUs would be the biggest workload for a south american set anyway

all the locos and wagons could just be re-used from my other sets

[earnest meadow]

Tell me this ain't SEPTA

[strange quiver]

yeah, it feels very american

[earnest meadow]

Well it was built by Budd along with Mafersa

[flat void]

budd gallery car my beloved

[versed sparrow]

Lol this sure is one curse of a proposed high speed train

[flat void]

looks better than the stadler BEMUs that Metra bought

[strange quiver]

I do really like those

[flat void]

they're not bad

[strange quiver]

but tbh I need to sort out how to code them when I get to it

[earnest meadow]

Metra KISS when

[strange quiver]

sooooon

I do actually have the pantograph code for it now

so the only reason I haven't is because I haven't drawn it

[versed sparrow]

Amtrak should buy some smile

[strange quiver]

yee

iirc doing an Americanised version of that is something I wanna do

[versed sparrow]

Phase 7 would slap

[strange quiver]

yeah

although that livery is hard to do with company colours

[versed sparrow]

Would be a big pain

[strange quiver]

NSW AD60 class done

this took all day to get right lmao

surprisingly the LMS Garratt/Esk from horse are very similar to the AD60s

at least for the boiler

so I was pretty much just able to copy that 1 for 1 (might tweak more at a later date though)

[civic ether]

given esk is a town in qld i wonder if andy was thinking of an aussie garratt for horse

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queensland_Beyer-Garratt_class and hey qld gauge variant :P

[civic ether]

These look fantastic

[strange quiver]

soooon

it's one of 3 garratts I wanna do

[strange quiver]

thanks 🙂

[civic ether]

just joshin, no pressure

[strange quiver]

I know, but I wanna do it

and it should be easy now the hard stuff has been done for the AD60

[civic ether]

for someone with no idea of the drawing process

is the diff between standard and narrow gauge like

well narrower sprites?

[strange quiver]

depends if you wanna do it

code wise it's just a different track label

but IRL 1067mm narrow gauge isn't all that different size wise from trains that use 1435mm or 1600mm, so I'll be drawing them in the same scale

but if I do 2ft gauge stuff, they'll definitley be drawn smaller

[civic ether]

yea right

fair enough, cool

[turbid bronze]

"Disable Trains from the Pilbara" geeze that's incredibly specific 🤣

[strange quiver]

well that's what it does 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I read the description, I still think it's funni

[strange quiver]

one day I'll add a disable button that just launches a nuke

[turbid bronze]

"fuck those trains in particular"

[versed sparrow]

2ft

So that would be on the narrow gauge

Or create a new graphics specific to that

Anyway so uh here's a random steam loco that totally isn't related to the topic

[strange quiver]

pmuch

it'd be a similar scale to horses narrow gauge stuff

[versed sparrow]

That would be interesting

[turbid bronze]

update your grubhub damnit i want to play with the garret :3

[strange quiver]

fine!

it's done!

[turbid bronze]

:3

danke

[versed sparrow]

I'll just have to wait for the official release

[strange quiver]

tbf unless you're willing for things to break, that's for the best

IDs will change and it will break your game

[turbid bronze]

you can manually download the file from github and copy it to the newgrf folder on your sdcard

or just suffer

[versed sparrow]

Yeah I'll just wait for the official release

[turbid bronze]

or buy this lenovo x240 off ebay for a hungie https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/206192944204

[strange quiver]

lmao

[versed sparrow]

Lol

[turbid bronze]

I'm not kidding

[strange quiver]

that wont be till like dec btw

[versed sparrow]

Welp

[turbid bronze]

An old thinkpad off ebay will literally last you for years and cost almost nothing

install ubuntu on it, sidestep the microslop nonsense

[versed sparrow]

I have my reliable phone

[turbid bronze]

play ottd in peace

[versed sparrow]

Although thing is running on hopes and dream

[turbid bronze]

and you can play jgrpp

I bought an even worse specced lenovo once purely to play ottd in bed, had an i3 and 4gb of ram.

[versed sparrow]

Oh yeah I have that version before it got delisted on the app store

[turbid bronze]

ran ottd like a champ

its had waaaaaay more updates since that version

[versed sparrow]

Welp I would prob be in the military by the time this grf gets release

Excited to use this thing I really love to use vanilla esk steam locomotives with variety

[turbid bronze]

@strange quiver ok, the garrett is SOOOO COOOL especially the animations aaaaaaa

[strange quiver]

thanks nerd

now I just need to do more

I think I have like a dozen on my list?

[turbid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/star-gif-16789607377123159596

[strange quiver]

sooon

[turbid bronze]

any narrow gauge on the list?

[strange quiver]

yee, I do wanna do some narrow gauge stuff but I'm just lazy and hate queensland

[turbid bronze]

i'm legally require to ask since I'm now enrolled to vote up heree

queenslandaaaaaaaaaa

[strange quiver]

but I wanna do the QR garratts

plus that NZR G Class one too

and maybe a TGR one

also I wanna do the SAR 400 class garratt too

that one should be interesting since it was built for 1067mm, but could be regauged to 1435 and 1600mm

also it'd probably be worthwhile to do the wartime ASGs too

[versed sparrow]

Fun fact 1 of the g was coverted to a pacific

Or A dozen of them

Hmmm

Either way still a failure

[strange quiver]

yee, they'll also be done

but low priority since I'd rather do more unique stuff

[turbid bronze]

I think you'll end up beating tropic set for the most amount of garratts

[strange quiver]

I could easily do more than 2 garratts

that's an easy record to beat

but also... I should do that African train set as an excuse to do more garratts

SAR/EAR used a lot

[versed sparrow]

Big beafy narrow gauge stuffs

Funky ones

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

[versed sparrow]

In the future Ragin might do every countrys railways rolling stock

[strange quiver]

sooooon

these SAR Garratts 👀

also interestingly they seemed to use auxilary tenders for them

I think that'd be a cool thing to include if I do them, as I don't think many other countries did that

but then they'd also be like 24/8 long or something lmao

[turbid bronze]

I've seen yank steamers with auxilary tenders before. The Jawn Henry apparently did as well making it even freakin larger lol

[strange quiver]

you and your jawn hendry

[turbid bronze]

ITS COOL OK

[strange quiver]

I know

but soooon

[turbid bronze]

look at the size of 'im

[strange quiver]

god I'm gonna need to do that with the two auxiliary tenders

that things gonna be a monster

[turbid bronze]

😄

[civic ether]

is the auxiliary tender a range thing?

[strange quiver]

pmuch

[turbid bronze]

C&O's steam turbine was also fucking colossal

I just love the silhoutte that thing casts

[versed sparrow]

This also big

Fastest garratt too

At just shy of 130 kph

[turbid bronze]

was that another SAR?

[versed sparrow]

Nope surprisingly from algeria

[turbid bronze]

Should do a MEA set next ragin, cover that whole region with a bunch of greatest hits

[strange quiver]

psure these were what the 38 class garratts in NSW were based on

[turbid bronze]

'region' only the biggest continent on the fucking planet lmao

[versed sparrow]

That's interesting to know

[versed sparrow]

Oh yeah these had some quirky locomotives

Here's an a4

[strange quiver]

tbh it's very tempting

especially since there's lots of cool stuff, and no one has really touched it before

idk if I wanna expand it to the middle east too because the lines get a bit blurry of where to draw the line

guessing the borders would be Turkiye and Iran?

[turbid bronze]

I mean great thing is you can draw the lines wherever you want

or just include whatever you want

[strange quiver]

I know, but I also wanna have reasonable lines

also there is the question on what to do with Israel

I guess it might be fine because it's not gonna be political

maybe it's how I get really funny comments to laugh at

[turbid bronze]

something is always gonna be political to someone; just see the flag controversy in badges with Taiwan and the CN playerbase.

[versed sparrow]

Oh yeah that....

[turbid bronze]

tell em to pound sand and move on with your life

[strange quiver]

yeah I suppose

[versed sparrow]

Meh locomotives won't cause that much of a drama

[strange quiver]

but yh, I'll collate a list and it can be next years priority

in 2027 I wanna return to the american set, but it'd be pretty close to done tbh

since it'd only be freight wagons, steam locomotives, and more MUs that need done (plus the narrow gauge set)

[versed sparrow]

Most common in mea are either pacifics mikados or 2-8-0

[strange quiver]

yee

actually I could re-use some steam locomotives from ORP

the ROD 2-8-0s were used by Palestian railways

[versed sparrow]

Alot of them were used

[versed sparrow]

9000 getting close but i do wonder how that would work

[turbid bronze]

some reversing orp steamer 😄

[strange quiver]

I really need to do more coaches for orp

[haughty pollen]

If you want 2ft gauge inspiration, check out the Illawarra Light Railway Museum, they have a good website too https://ilrms.com.au/locomotives/steam/

[strange quiver]

oh hell yeah

that's exactly what I need actually

[haughty pollen]

My school bus took me past that place so I saw that Wallaby saddle tank nearly every day

[strange quiver]

oh hell yeah

they have a fire fighting wagon?

[versed sparrow]

Seems like it

[haughty pollen]

Yes lol

[strange quiver]

I guess it could be included as a bonus

[haughty pollen]

it's in a small patch of bushland next to the airport

[versed sparrow]

Oh that's interesting

[turbid bronze]

thankyou, great contribution

[bronze widget]

https://tenor.com/view/fant4stic-say-that-again-gif-16690486418948643620

[haughty pollen]

Combined AC/DC tracks aren't really a thing outside of border stations where two systems meet, but they're needed for multisystem engines in-game

[crystal crag]

Are they still needed given the changes to tracktype setting stuff they added recently? Since you can assign multiple valid tracktypes?

[haughty pollen]

Possibly, haven’t tried that yet

[turbid bronze]

C35 has misalinged steam

[strange quiver]

Yee, I know, just need to change the offset

I just haven't bothered to do it lmao

Most have the wrong offsets atm anyway

[turbid bronze]

all good lmao

[strange quiver]

well now that reversing is something that seems to work...

I have to decide whether to pause and wait to see what requirements it has code wise (since a few trains with autoflip now break)

or just keep going and fix things later

actually holy shit, if we have autoflip in the base game now, that simplifies the code for pantograph EMUs massively

code wise so many more trains are gonna be easier to do

[haughty pollen]

That's why everyone's so excited about it, we'll be able to just delete all that complex train flip code

[strange quiver]

hell yeah

[haughty pollen]

which sets like JP+ MU have a lot of

[strange quiver]

I'm gonna have so much re-coding to do tho lmao

[strange quiver]

rip you guys

I'm so glad I put off doing EMUs for ORP

[haughty pollen]

I'm glad I'm not doing the MU part then 😛

[strange quiver]

lmao

but yh, so many new possibilities aaaaa

also will still need to sort steam locomotive animations so I'll probably stop working on steam locos for the time being....

[haughty pollen]

All the push pull stuff too, especially in NARP

[strange quiver]

oh yh that's gonna be really fun to play with now

[haughty pollen]

Makes me wanna revive the Italian train set tbh, they have a lot of interesting push-pull stuff

[strange quiver]

oooh you really should

those 3 phase locos were so cool

[strange quiver]

Thai version of the XPT done

including it in ORP under misc, so it can be toggled off if need be

might include a few other export trains just for flavour

but I could also do some QR liveries for it, since it'd act as an earlier high speed train for narrow gauge

[haughty pollen]

Well that's one for SEATS which may or may not get made in the future

[strange quiver]

you're free to steal it 🙂

although it might clash with style of JP+

[reef gate]

The Malaysians did have Comeg-made Budd Cars but that's pretty much it for Rolling stock acquired from Australia

[strange quiver]

yee, but there's other stuff

there's a bunch of LRVs for Hong Kong and some refurbed metro trains

but yh, anytime I find something cool that was exported it'll go in there

[reef gate]

It's more or less like stuff the Cape Gauge railways in Australia and New Zealand already used for mainline diesel,Only unique piece of rolling stock is the Japanese Sleeper cars KTM recieved and mostly abandoned it after a Flood washed away part of the line for a good enough of time

[strange quiver]

yee fair

[reef gate]

Maybe the GE U20cs the Indonesians used since the cab was designed by UGL and one of them is in use by Transperth

Other than the BB201/EMD G12s with both Full window and Hood nose

[strange quiver]

oh yh the U20cs will be included as an import

and there's already a few G12s going in since a few places here liked them

[reef gate]

Yeah the Taiwanese,Sri Lankans and Argentinians have used them as well as the New Zealanders

Maybe have the Indonesian Modified ones with the Full cab

Because of some law that requires the driver to have an unobstructed view I guess

[strange quiver]

maybe, but with stuff like that I'd rather save the effort and just do the relevant versions

the misc stuff is just meant to be a bonus anyway

[reef gate]

Yeah I can make do and make my own versions of sleeper trains when the update drops

[strange quiver]

big american tank engine 👀

I need to find more american tank engines to flesh out the roster

[reef gate]

Yeah Need Bracnhline Motive power

[frosty sand]

Boston & Albany had several classes of big tank engines which pulled commuter trains into Boston. Lots of photos and stat sheets here: https://sites.google.com/site/bostonalbanyrailroad/home/0-6-0/0-8-0/2-8-0/tank 🙂

[strange quiver]

perfect, was looking for a source like that 🙂

[frosty sand]

@turbid bronze Look at this chonker

[strange quiver]

I also saw that there were some 4-4-2T commuter locomotives for the SP in a Hyce video that I wanna track down

god I need to do those...

[frosty sand]

I may have found the ugliest steam locomotive
http://espee.railfan.net/sp_steam_prairie-tank.html

(2-6-2T rebuilt as a shop switcher)

[strange quiver]

I love it

it's going in

[versed sparrow]

These were like the hudsons but turned into a tank engine

The golwe type

ig these count as either weird or ugly

[strange quiver]

Neat

[versed sparrow]

I have a question could you put the link of the hyce video that you saw :33 ?

[wind valley]

https://youtu.be/vKOAWc-I6A8?t=228

with timestamp

[strange quiver]

That'd be it lmao

[vestal minnow]

Are subway trains really that unprofitable? I have a line built through a dense city centre but it keeps hemorrhaging money

Using your rapid transit set

[strange quiver]

Tbf irl yeah

But it could also be the balancing was broke

[vestal minnow]

Intercity trains make good money though

I use your locomotives for long distance trains and they make healthy profits

[strange quiver]

No idea then

I've not had issues making money with them

So it could be the way you're using them, or the balance was stuffed

I am redrawing/rebalancing the rapid transit set slowly in the background so eventually it'll be fixed

[turbid bronze]

I’ve never had issues making money with your subway stuff

Needs enough passengers to be actually worthwhile but if you’ve got strong interconnections with road and intercity train routes then you’ll start pulling a tonne of transfer credits (which is fluffy money anyway but eh)

[haughty pollen]

Could also be due to the cargodist transfer credits thing

[vestal minnow]

I don’t have cargodist for this save

I only make about $4000 for ~500 passengers

But the annual running cost is in the six digits

[turbid bronze]

cargodist really boosts passengers

stuff like subways will struggle without it

[vestal minnow]

Ok

[strange quiver]

I stg the annoying thing about Australia passenger coaches is we just did whatever tf we wanted for some reason. It's like they literally did both European and American coaches at the same time

it's also kinda annoying deciding what wagons should get what gauge

carriages are annoying

[steep echo]

Which is meant to be European?

[strange quiver]

tbf 4/6 wheel coaches alone tend to be more european

the Americans didn't really use them

but also these early coaches are very british

[steep echo]

Yeah

I was just confused

Both look European to me xd

[strange quiver]

ah fair lmao

[steep echo]

I’ve never understood 6 axel ones though

[strange quiver]

yeah, they're just in general weird

we had some 8 axle ones though

[steep echo]

Doesn’t the middle axle cause a lot of friction or is it more loose?

[strange quiver]

these are just weird lmao

[strange quiver]

if it's fixed, yeah, but iirc it can slide side to side

[steep echo]

Ooo

[steep echo]

Yeah that’s fucking cursed

[strange quiver]

The Australian desire to build weird coaches

[strange quiver]

these WAGR coaches are pretty....

[versed sparrow]

They be mixing every coach design they can get

[mental musk]

reminds me of some german coaches

https://www.moba-chaeller.ch/cdn/shop/files/image_75a694e0-4418-4b4d-9a80-71f46d7ba350.jpg?v=1717338854&width=1946

these are the same picture

and bonus fact: there were some US-made US-spec coaches in Prussia

[strange quiver]

neat 🙂

[strange quiver]

these probably need tweaking, but I've been experimenting with how I want the passenger car roster to be laid out

I kinda based these 1854 coaches on the compartment coaches from UKRS2

it's really hard to do solid teak and have it look good

scaling might need tweaking, but these coaches are from 1854 and they're paired from a loco from 1877

guessing when I do No. 1 that might be a bit smaller, so they'll look better alongside it

[turbid bronze]

teeny tiny

people were canonically hobbits back then anyway

[strange quiver]

I guess 🙂

[turbid bronze]

malnutrition things

[strange quiver]

but yh, might nick some other ideas from UKRS2 for early wagons anyway...

[turbid bronze]

did you ever cop a gander at the old pineapple set of pikka's?

[strange quiver]

yee, I had a look this morning actually

I tend to go through a lot of GRFs to see how others do it before I try and do it myself

I noticed it was mostly just one wagon that updates over time

[turbid bronze]

cool was gonna send it to you if you didn't have it already 🙂

Yeah its similar vintage to NARS

[strange quiver]

yeeeee

[turbid bronze]

this is the old one btw not the newer extrazoom one

[strange quiver]

oooh? No I haven't look at that one then?

[strange quiver]

I really need more narrow gauge steam locomotives to go with these early suburban coaches lmao

[turbid bronze]

yes more NG plz

[strange quiver]

sooooooooon

no more steamers until I can re-work the code for reversing

[turbid bronze]

how come? seems to look fine to me reversing?

its not like theres enough frames of animation or enough pixels to tell whether its rotating one way or another

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I notice it 🙁

and it's more noticeable with larger locomotives (like the garratt) when it's backing up

besides, I do need more passenger wagons anyway

[turbid bronze]

fair enough, I've been stuffing around with reversing etc. too much to get a game going long enough to get garratts 😛

[strange quiver]

yeeee

same

but once I know how to do it, it'll be an afternoon to fix the animations, since it's just having a switch to reverse how they're played

[turbid bronze]

shouldnt be too hard, switch that checks reversing, if true play the backwards anims, if false continue as normal

nml 0.9.0 is out now, should be setup and ready to go, @haughty pollen has been playing with it he could probably send you some snippits of what the switch looks like

https://github.com/OpenTTD/nml/releases/tag/0.9.0

theres a standalone windows exe

[strange quiver]

ooooh, yeah that'd be great

it'd give me a headstart on fixing/updating the EMU and electric loco code too

nvm it's already in the docs

I'll see what I can do

let's see if I can get a prototype working in the 30 mins before bed

[turbid bronze]

ehehehehe

beddy time for me

[strange quiver]

guess you'll find out how I went in the morning 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Here's my push pull test GRF, if it helps 🙂

[strange quiver]

hell yeah, I'll have a look now

[strange quiver]

okay bedtime, got the animation working for the lead part of the Garratt and it works fine

but for some reason, the rear part animation switch doesn't work?

it always plays for the forward animation, so for some reason just for the rear part "switch_NSW_AD60_Rear_Travel_Direction" always returns 0

I replaced it with a blank spriteset to test and it doesn't change when reversing?

gonna guess it might be a bug with articulated vehicle? or I'm missing something

I even added the flat "VEHICLE_FLAG_TRAIN_HAS_CAB" so see if that did anything

[haughty pollen]

I haven't tried it with articulated vehicles yet

you might have to do PARENT instead of SELF

[strange quiver]

://////

it works

damnit

thanks for that 🙂

[haughty pollen]

Heh, it's usually something simple like that 😉

[strange quiver]

true, I'm just a dummy

[strange quiver]

btw, do you know what "VEHICLE_FLAG_TRAIN_HAS_CAB" does?

it is just for driving trailers? I'm guessing locomotives don't need it

[haughty pollen]

Yes, has_cab is for unpowered vehicles that can lead a train

Not sure if articulated parts need it

[strange quiver]

oooh okay, thanks for the clarification

[strange quiver]

let's see if it works without it then

works fine with out it

I'll have to test how it works tomorrow with the H-Types

[haughty pollen]

Nice

[versed sparrow]

Goobers

[spice kernel]

The middle axle improved ride quality from what i know

[steep echo]

Makes sense

[mellow loom]

They also reduce axle load on cheaply/badly laid rail or over soft ground

[wind valley]

maybe because the mta does stuff with model numbers for differentiating the lirr and the mnr, probably
odd numbers (m1, 3, 5, 7, 9) are generally lirr, and even numbers (2, 4, 6, 8) are mnr
there is some overlap (m3, m7, and future m9 are used by both)
the c1s and c3s were only used by lirr, so that's probably why it skipped c2

[strange quiver]

such tiny end platform coaches look so cute/goofy

[turbid bronze]

new colourscheme variants or is that black from newcc?

[strange quiver]

black from new cc

[turbid bronze]

D:

[strange quiver]

but im not opposed to variants

[turbid bronze]

was hoping for variants 🙂

[strange quiver]

I can do variants 🙂

I just need to know which ones

[strange quiver]

maybe for this it's black with a cc1 stripe?

[strange quiver]

I should really do something with this proposed comeng DMU design

would make a really cool double deck suburban coach for loco hauled services

could also do a intercity version too

[strange quiver]

kinda hard to get it right with the length, but this vibe goes hard

[turbid bronze]

[strange quiver]

:)

I was in the shower earlier and I was thinking about driving trailers

I need goofy push-pull trains

[frosty sand]

That is extremely goofy (complimentary)

[strange quiver]

it's like a Go Level octagon mixed with a V set

[haughty pollen]

I love it, like a diesel V set

[strange quiver]

how does this make you feel white boy

these are gonna go so hard when we have proper push-pull

[haughty pollen]

We already have proper push-pull 😛

[turbid bronze]

HNNNNNGGGGHHHHHHH

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I just need it in the nightly or JGR 🙂

then I can properly play with it myself

[turbid bronze]

its in openttd nightly

https://cdn.openttd.org/openttd-nightlies/2026/

website was borked for a bit but steam nightlies or the above link

[strange quiver]

ah fair

well JGR then too 🙂

[turbid bronze]

yeah waiting next release

I do my own compiles coz its ez on linux, compiling on windows is a pain in the ass hole

fucking vcpkg

[strange quiver]

valid

but yh, I'm gonna wait until the new version of JGR is realised, because that just makes booting the game to test easier

but it also shouldn't be too difficult to do

[turbid bronze]

god jgrpp 0.72 gonna be soooo good

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

I'm so excited for all the possibilities of push-pull

if anything the simplified MU code is gonna be great

[versed sparrow]

I wonder if they have stuck with the first design

[strange quiver]

that wasn't an actual design, that was a mockup for the Tangaras using a rejected K-set car

basically just to get media attention and some very early feedback

[versed sparrow]

Cool to know

Comeng has alot of cool designs that din't get build

[strange quiver]

yee, I've got a lot on my list 🙂

[versed sparrow]

That double deck dmu sure look handsome

Idk the cab looks like a hybrid of a koploper and a metroliner

[dawn veldt]

that slightly reminds me of the turbo trains that were attempted years ago...

just the look of the cabs seem to have a small resemblance to me 🤷‍♀️

[mental musk]

a bit in the style of the JNR 381 in panoramic version

https://jrrollingstock.travel.coocan.jp/intercity/381(S-Kuroshio).jpeg

[crystal crag]

those look very cool but also now my brain is thinking "What if there were single-deck versions" so you could make a scuffed push-pull train that looks like that Japanese EMUs that have one or two double-deck coaches in-between regular ones.

[strange quiver]

Saying that as if its not something that's already on my list :)))

Might do that tonight

I wanna do basically a loco hauled version of the 2000 class with the same cab

[crystal crag]

:D

[steep echo]

are you still working on the ukrs2 fork?

[crystal crag]

I intend to continue working on it and finishing it, but that is dependent on Life™ allowing me to be doing good enough to have brainpower to dedicate to it

[steep echo]

fair enough, and i understand, i had some ideas about doing dvt stuff with it and rukts

[crystal crag]

Doing DVTs is definitely something I want to get around to doing soon, definitely much cleaner now than some of my original DVT ideas

[turbid bronze]

time to sink my forks and compile fresh orps

IF github stops shitting the bed

[strange quiver]

Pondering my orps

[turbid bronze]

god that's an impressive lineup now with both orp and narp loaded

[strange quiver]

But it needs mooore

[mental musk]

somebody said more trains?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hyttagGsz0

we now need to take game balance into account!

[strange quiver]

is this cursed?

[turbid bronze]

absolutely

[strange quiver]

but more....

4D time

[strange quiver]

4D 🙂

[mental musk]

where D means pushed by an DIESEL loco

[strange quiver]

well you could do steam locomotives too

[reef gate]

Loco Shortages hit hard man

[severe elbow]

Wait a damn minute

[earnest meadow]

Metra if it was based

[severe elbow]

Eh what they have now is cool

[dawn veldt]

With how fuel prices are going, wouldn't be surprised if railroads tried going back to steam lol

[bronze widget]

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[strange quiver]

haven't posted much, but I've also been fleshing out the early roster for passenger coaches

here's what it looks like from 1854-~1920s

will need more tweaking, but I'm happy with the direction

also these NSW Bogie tramcar coaches are really neat

I like end platform cars with side doors

[strange quiver]

also if people have coach reccomendations lmk

I think I've got most types that are common in Australia, but I also might have missed some obscure designs

[haughty pollen]

Did you do the QR suburban coaches, like the SX?

[severe elbow]

just australia or new zealand as well?

as i dont see a 56ft in your list

[strange quiver]

Yee, I'll do them soon

[strange quiver]

That's because I haven't drawn them yet

I'll do them soon tho

[severe elbow]

alr

i was only mentioning as the SX coaches saw use in auckland as well

[strange quiver]

Yee

Plus I also wanna do the MU version

[strange quiver]

NZR 50ft coaches done

I really need more NZR steam locomotives to go with these

[bronze widget]

Is there any update on the NARP steamers prototype? Or was the plan to put everything in a single grf?

[strange quiver]

nah, I'm only working on Australian stuff atm

the plan is to work on American stuff again next year

[bronze widget]

Dang

[strange quiver]

sorry, I gotta prioritise where I spend my time :/

[bronze widget]

I get it.

So if I wanted to play with what you got, what year would you recommend starting?

[strange quiver]

for north american stuff? post ww2

[bronze widget]

Yeah, so 1950 would work?

[strange quiver]

yee, it should

[bronze widget]

Honestly I enjoy the diesels and electrics more in gameplay; the main reason I wanted the steamers was to start a game earlier for the progression in AIRS

But I could also start at 1950 with the regular FIRS too

[steep echo]

horse stuff would work

[bronze widget]

I’ve used Horse a lot

[steep echo]

i think ragin designed their stuff around horse like i did with the sbb set

fair

[bronze widget]

I’m actually torn between doing a game with new horse (my current game is 3.17 because I didn’t know about the updates) and something out there like NARP or JP+

[strange quiver]

tbf you alternative is to use the prototype locomotive set for australian stuff

that has a bunch of steam locomotives in the same style

barrel barrel barrel

[severe elbow]

yay 56ft

[strange quiver]

idk if this is cursed or not

but BREL Mk3's done

IRL V/Line considered buying these, but as BREL had a backlog and couldn't guarantee deliveries in a timely manner, and Comeng was kinda dying, so they decided to build their own N-Types instead

also it's gonna be weird, since I'm gonna base these on the proposed year of import, and the track types they would have been used on

so in the set, the BREL Mk2s would be introduced after the Mk3s (since NZ imported them in the 90s)

and the Mk3s would be for broad/standard only, while the Mk2s are for narrow only

[late pewter]

That's weird and i love it

[reef gate]

Will there be NZ Obsrvation/Panoramic coaches like the current and modified 56fts?

[mental musk]

oh, these look really... funky...

after all, these were shop build

[strange quiver]

Not sure tbh. Idk how I'd implement them

Could add them as a later rebuild or something?

[reef gate]

Or like a sperate car type that comes in later?

[haughty pollen]

This is what variants are for