Ragins Train Sets

[strange quiver]

idk how an elevated station like that would neccesarily work in openttd

[turbid bronze]

It wouldn’t really. You can do terrain detection and place them over a single tile elevation but you’re not gonna get an open underside like that

Shops and buildings etc work

Basically replace the foundation sprites

[vestal minnow]

(I used to be royalexamination9410, just changed my name to Brentwood person after my name in another transportation related server)

We had a nickname theme of combining a route name+ person

[strange quiver]

I think I've got the tri-lights looking good, now I just need to do the rest of the variants

[strange quiver]

yee, that's probably what I'll end up doing, but that's a future problem

[strange quiver]

🤔

[strange quiver]

kinda look big and goofy in game, but this is really the best I can do tbh

also the aspects aren't necessarily accurate, but I've done them this way more for consistency

[strange quiver]

altogether it's a good mix

[gritty bone]

[strange quiver]

be really useful if I could put badges or something in the selection menu

it'd make it clearer at a glance

[gritty bone]

i'd kill for dwarf position lights, but normal ones are a godsend

[strange quiver]

they're on the todo list, but I wanna work on other things for the time being

[strange quiver]

Comet III's :3

might make the front more orange tbh

darkening it up makes it look a lot better

[mental musk]

neat

[strange quiver]

Comet 3, 4 and 5s done

gonna need some more tweaking, but we'll see

rn the Comet III/IV non-driving coaches are identical, so I might change that, or just remove the Comet IV non-driving coaches, but we'll see

but yh, that also means most of the commuter coaches I plan on doing are complete

[strange quiver]

today's coaches done

ploughed my way through a bunch of 1930s/1940s era intercity coaches, and now I've got a few most post war ones I wanna do and then that roster is mostly complete too

[mental musk]

stert with PRR coaches maybe?
These were mostly standardised

[strange quiver]

Most of the PRR specific coaches are lumped in with other stuff

but the only ones that are in game atm are the P70s

I do also want to do the P85s, but they're a future focus

[wind valley]

Mmm position lights

[wind valley]

Maybe if you scrunch the lights together by 1 pixel?

[gritty bone]

Are all the separate colors your previewing different companies?

[severe elbow]

you can set colours per group within the same company

[strange quiver]

I tried it, but I wasn't a fan

Its another one where 2x2 looks too big, but 1x1 is too small

[left cipher]

extrazoom but only to mess around with where you put the bigger blocks :3

[strange quiver]

Same company, with different groups

[strange quiver]

Tbh that would be an option, but I'm lazy, and idek if that would look good

[steep echo]

probably not

worth a try though

[strange quiver]

Future me problem then

[strange quiver]

gonna need Amtrak/Via liveries, but the Amtrka Heritage fleet cars are good to go

and they're visually distinct enough to work for me

[severe elbow]

they are rather different arent they, now that mine is coded in

(i will redraw it one day)

[strange quiver]

Tbf ours are different scales

But yours is really good

Tbh i forgot I drew rhe ef class

[strange quiver]

Canada seems so cool, I wish it was real 🙁

but yh, making my way through intercity cars

rn I've got three single deckers left, those being the Horizons, Viewliners, and Ventures

The roster is growing well imo 🙂

[signal gate]

style is nice

[strange quiver]

well your work is the largest influence 🙂

[severe elbow]

Would you ever do the nightstar coaches they have

[finite mountain]

You could also add these

They are British Rail Mark 4 coaches VIA Rail acquired from a cancelled rail service

We call these the Renaissance fleet

[severe elbow]

They are not mk4s

BREL nightstar stock

And I have just suggested these

[mental musk]

rapidos done, now maybe type M500?

[mental musk]

these are not the only european rolling stock that ended up in Canada

BR628 MU
Talbot Talent MU
LINT MU
Some other passenger coaches

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/gtwymer-plague-doctor-halloweentime-scary-gif-3103526288562834064

[strange quiver]

They're on the list (albeit low priority) 🙂

[strange quiver]

horizon driving trailer? 🤔

[strange quiver]

horizons done, they go hard imo

[strange quiver]

I wonder why the Charger in 2cc trains is this weird HHP-8 thing?

[haughty pollen]

That was drawn before the real Charger even existed lol

it's a total guess to what it would look like

[finite mountain]

I didn't even know there was a GRF that had a Charger

[late pewter]

Tbf if the Charger was dual cab it would be really close

[mental musk]

dual cab is superior compared to single cab

[finite mountain]

Imo, I think dual cab only works for electric locomotives. I don't really like the look of dual cab diesels

Well, except for the Class 66 and 68

[strange quiver]

Ah fair, its still interesting

[severe elbow]

Only in some circumstances

[signal gate]

"I forsee an entertaining debate"

[mental musk]

single cab full-body width locos are for operation in semi-permanent twin sets

https://kurier-kolejowy.pl/img/680_400_1/et41-009_fot_ mariusz_rzekec.jpg

[severe elbow]

In Poland, yes

[steep echo]

Damn

I didn’t realise ragin was doing polish stuff too

[strange quiver]

Viewliners done 🙂

[severe elbow]

Going to love using them with amfleets

[strange quiver]

you can be so amtrak pilled

[steep echo]

Ooo wagons

[severe elbow]

What’s the rapido based off of?

[steep echo]

I’ll need someone to see how my stuff looks like with ragin wagons

[severe elbow]

They are American wagons tbf

[steep echo]

I’m not at my pc to check

[steep echo]

Yeah but some stuff may look good

[strange quiver]

CN's rapido coaches

they're pretty cool tbh

[steep echo]

They remind me of sbb ones

The livery i mean

What’s your goal with this set now?

I know before you were doing like a generic thing like horse

But it’s giving more realistic vibes now

[strange quiver]

basically a NARS replacement now

so real trains, but with company colour liveries

[steep echo]

So what I’m doing but for ANZAC?

[strange quiver]

well for Australian/New zealand and North America

ANZAC is the Australian and New Zealand Army Corp

[steep echo]

OH

[turbid bronze]

Could add Brit shit in there and make it AUKUS 😛

ducks

[steep echo]

I thought it meant Australia New Zealand America and Canada

[strange quiver]

no 🙂

[strange quiver]

lmao

if it does, that's the first time I've heard of it

[steep echo]

You’re probably right

[strange quiver]

tbf, my north american stuff also covers mexico too, I've just not done a lot of mexican stuff so far

[steep echo]

Hst when?

[turbid bronze]

ANZAC absolutely has nothing to do with US and Canada

Except maybe us being used as cannon fodder for them 😔

But mostly as cannon fodder for the British

[steep echo]

The pacer prototype also went to North America

I kinda wonder

If you do your thing

And i do mine

Will this scratch andys itch for moose and ibex?

We’re both taking a more real approach but i think a lot of what is good about horse will be in both sets

[strange quiver]

tbf there's an XPT in the set

[steep echo]

Ahh true

[strange quiver]

Amtrak did enquire about buying them from Comeng, alongside CT22 bogies to replace their Pioneer IIIs under Amfleets, but it never happened

[strange quiver]

idk if I wanna include the pacer tbh, I suppose I should, but also it'd feel super out of place

[steep echo]

It’s not the same as the final thing

It’s just a railcar

[strange quiver]

I know, but still

I'll think about it

[steep echo]

No worries

Here’s my photos of them

Might be the same unit I’m not sure

Says LEV 1

[strange quiver]

I think it's a different one

but yh, I'll have to do more research on it

[turbid bronze]

but that’s not a maglev

[strange quiver]

the SEPTA one seems to be only a single unit?

[steep echo]

The one i showed is

[steep echo]

This is though

I know a website about the pacer prototypes

I’ll find it when I’m next on my pc

[frosty sand]

Those Viewliners are really, really nice sprites 😄

Instantly recognizable

[strange quiver]

easy

[strange quiver]

thanks!

[steep echo]

Ragin is among the best active artists rn xd

[severe elbow]

Ah cool

[vestal minnow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-S84kngX2sc

A set was demonstrated in Vancouver for expo 86

https://share.google/images/6BOWcukKf1R7QtCEs

At Pacific central station

[steep echo]

I was referring to the prototype, didn’t know an actual railbus went there

[turbid bronze]

Did you just paint those as CC1 and CC2?

[strange quiver]

Yee, thats what it looks like with CC1: Blue and CC2:Red

[turbid bronze]

Noice

[woeful halo]

Dual cabs are beautiful

[vestal minnow]

Gave out rides to locals

But it wasn’t really accessible so didn’t take off

[strange quiver]

Hi-levels done

[haughty pollen]

Ooh, does it include the transition car?

[strange quiver]

no 🙁

I'm not neccesarily sure how i would include that tbh

[turbid bronze]

Neat!

[strange quiver]

Skyviews done

superliners next

[haughty pollen]

Should be a fairly simple switch to detect the ID of the vehicle in front of it

If it's a single decker car, make it a transition car

[strange quiver]

I suppose, but then I'd need to make a list of all other single deck cars and put it in that switch

and tbh I don't think it's that noticeable or neccesary

[strange quiver]

it's not that noticeable here tbh

[crystal crag]

Badges

Badge for double deck

Test for the badge in the switch

[strange quiver]

okay I might look into that in future then

[crystal crag]

Literally one of the main use cases of badges

[strange quiver]

well I'll keep that in mind for future then :3

[signal gate]

badgers

forget detecting IDs ever again

[haughty pollen]

I forget about badges, haven't used them yet 😛

[turbid bronze]

badger badger badger

[signal gate]

forgotten badger 🙁

🦡

[turbid bronze]

I honestly think Badges stand to be truly transformational to OTTD once fully utilised

[signal gate]

I have utilised them unfully

[turbid bronze]

That you have

They look impressive

[signal gate]

some badgers

[turbid bronze]

oh yey, it's five thirty

no more work time

[signal gate]

no more big hole?

[turbid bronze]

yes I've holed enough today

i think I might go ride around on a lime scooter

nyoom

[dim pulsar]

I want to ride on a pacer... to get why british people hate pacer

[signal gate]

TL;DR bouncy, low quality interior, noisy

equivalent to a local bus for short journeys

much worse than a coach for long journeys

[severe elbow]

The reason they’re so cheap is what saved a bunch of branch lines from closing

[signal gate]

maybe

it's not clear that they were wildly cheaper than e.g. class 150 sprinters

but they were percieved politically as cheaper, so the investment was authorised

a lot of the use was in relatively intensive (frequency, not loading) urban service

[strange quiver]

Soupliner done

[strange quiver]

California Car done

so aaaaaaa

that's all the passenger cars I wanna do

I wanna do the Ventures, but I'll need to sus out how to do them first

[frosty sand]

Similar to the Rapido car in scaling, perhaps?

Single-level but with big windows

[strange quiver]

oh yh, that's the plan, but it's more the driving trailers/Amtrak midwest versions

most have two doors, while the Amtrak midwest versions only have a single, but it's easy enough to do them all with two doors

[frosty sand]

I vote for all two doors, making two separate versions seems a bit faffy

[strange quiver]

but there's also three different versions of the driving trailer...

but that's a lot of work, so I might leave it for later

but when i get to do it, I'll do the chargers and ventures altogether

I think what I might do a ctually, is code the Via and brightline chargers/ventures as push-pull train sets, so they'll go in the MU set

while the Amtrak ones will just be conventional locomotive hauled stock?

[strange quiver]

idea, 1980s NE corridor double decker?

rn all the double deck intercity stuff is very much west of the missippi

so it'd be cool to have something more suited to the eastern US

only doing a basic draft, but it's not exactly screaming "80s Budd"

but it's a draft to come back to at a later date

might make the roof flatter tbh, otherwise it looks too much like a multilevel

[vestal minnow]

Amtrak doesn’t have double decker equipment in the eastern us?

Surprised they don’t since more of their ridership is based there

[strange quiver]

nope, it's all single deck

[vestal minnow]

Hmm

Wonder if it’s because of low overpasses on older tracks or electric wires limiting overall height?

[strange quiver]

I think it's because there weren't any offerings tbh

when NJT and the LIRR went to buy new cars in the late 80s, there weren't any on the market, and the only considered them because Comeng suggested them

the NE loading gauge can do double deck stock, it's just no one really considered it prior to the 90s

[vestal minnow]

Australian made double decker cars by comeng?

[strange quiver]

yee, that was the plan, but it fell through for a variety of reasons

[vestal minnow]

Would be fun to recreate in game

[strange quiver]

well the C1 comeng cars are in the set atm

[vestal minnow]

Like how I Ioad your Oceania set alongside the North American sets in games

[strange quiver]

yee, although where applicable, I'll include Americanised versions

there really aren't many tbh

the only ones are the C1s (which actually got built), XPTs (Which Amtrak enquired about, but never bought any), and the V-Sets (which the LIRR enquired about buying to test, but the SRA said no)

[mental musk]

I know, that You are not making subways now

But Toroto Subway had some nice units

and maintanaince stock made in Japan

https://images.blogto.com/articles/c4b8-20120505-Rose-Yard2.jpg?w=2048&cmd=resize_then_crop&height=1365&quality=70&format=jpeg

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/images/0/0a/Toronto_Transit_Commission_RT-12-a.jpg

https://transittoronto.ca/images/subway-5508-03.jpg

https://transittoronto.ca/photos/images/ST_1_2011_05_28.jpg

[strange quiver]

All the Toronto revenue stock is already in the most rapid transit pack release

[frosty sand]

Uh, clearance is definitely the reason, the issue is the tunnels in NYC. The NJT multilevel completely fills the clearance envelope — even the similar-looking MBTA bilevels wouldn’t fit.

[haughty pollen]

Oh interesting, i thought they were identical

[wind valley]

Mostly because of clearances
NJT's MLV cars are specifically designed to fit in the hundred year old Hudson Tunnels into Penn Station (iirc MARC also has a few of these)
The MBTA have a different bilevel coach, but they don't have to worry about tunnel clearances so they're taller

And there's exo in Montreal that uses the same models of rolling stock as NJT lol

[strange quiver]

SD9 done

still a bit iffy with doing hood units in this style, but I think this is a good first attempt

gonna work through some more hood units in the coming days

[haughty pollen]

Ooh, these look great

now just do a little 🪓 and you got a GP9 😛

[strange quiver]

that's pretty much the plan :)))))

I've got a bunch of different parts I can cobble together now, so I could easily smash through most of the EMD line

also I might include a toggle to remove some of the extra locomotives

rn, most hood locomotives have all the cab variants, but that might be a lot for some people

also I know the GP7/SD7 were originally delivered to operate long hood forward, so I could include some code to have them be long hood for a year or two, then switch to short hood? 🤔

[signal gate]

spell 'completionist' for me?

[strange quiver]

look, getting addicted to drawing trains is probably not the worst thing ever

[frosty sand]

Just Ctrl+Click reverse? That way you can play as the railroads that kept running long hood first for years, or put some backwards in a multi-unit consist, or run a single engine backwards on a local train?

[strange quiver]

I know, but it might be nice to have that represented too

but it's just an idea anyway

[turbid bronze]

yoooooo looks good

[strange quiver]

SD7 done, basically the same as the SD9, but with a different ass end

[steep echo]

i love the slavic pride flag

[strange quiver]

I think that's meant to be a maine boxcar?

but I'm fine with representing the LGBTS community

[steep echo]

✊

love your work as usual

[haughty pollen]

I found another oddball for future consideration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingalls_4-S

[strange quiver]

oh yh

I've already got all of Ingalls roster on the list 🙂

including the proposed passegner and switcher locomotives, they didn't even get a prototype

[haughty pollen]

damn, you're always two steps ahead 😅

[strange quiver]

I do my research 🙂

[strange quiver]

SD35 done, shamelessly stealing another NARS livery

[frosty sand]

Great progress!

[turbid bronze]

yessssss

[strange quiver]

thanks!

gonna write the lit review for my thesis, and try and do the SD40s afterwards

[frosty sand]

Sounds like a good reward (for you and us)

[strange quiver]

:)

also tangentially, I need to do more baldwin locomotives

they all had inline engines with giant bores/strokes

and I think that's funny

[frosty sand]

I had dinner tonight on the site of the old Baldwin locomotive works. It’s all expensive apartments, bars, and offices nowadays

[strange quiver]

that's how it is unfortunatley

I live near the old Comeng and Clyde engineering factories, and both are just boring industrial parks now

at least they're still making things there

[frosty sand]

Their diesels are so… square

[strange quiver]

yeah, but that makes them easy to draw 🙂

the guys at Baldwin would have loved minecrafts create mod

[frosty sand]

lol, they are some Minecraft locos

Another livery

[strange quiver]

oooh

also it's wild that there was another Norfolk southern, before the current one

and it then got merged into the modern NS lmao

[haughty pollen]

Shame they didn't go back to that livery, NS black is so boring

[frosty sand]

Don’t worry, they’ll all be yellow soon 😛

Heheh I designed the interpretive panel in this photo when I worked there

[strange quiver]

I think it has its charm, but yh, it's boring

[strange quiver]

ooooh, neat

[strange quiver]

is that an AS616 or something btw?

[frosty sand]

Yep.

[strange quiver]

AS-416? is that a different model?

iirc 416 would indicate 4 axles?

[frosty sand]

Er, I forget

[strange quiver]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_AS-416

4 powered axles

so yh, slightly different model

I was wondering why I couldn't find it in my list

[frosty sand]

Huh they did have a four-axle version: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_AS-16

[strange quiver]

I put most stuff like this in the light freght roster

[strange quiver]

ooooh

thankfully it's in the list too

[frosty sand]

Are you doing the Centipede?

[strange quiver]

yee, but it's not an immediate priority

[frosty sand]

Yeah no rush of course

Baldwin’s early naming scheme is so verbose

[strange quiver]

yeah, maybe that's why they died

also, I wonder why in NARS they gave the DT 6-6-2000 a pointy EMD style nose?

the irl locomotives aren't flat?

[haughty pollen]

It's NARS Addon, not NARS

most NARS Addon graphics were kitbashed or scrounged together from other sets

[strange quiver]

fair enough

probably just nicked parts off an EMD for them

[strange quiver]

SD40s done aaaaaaaaaaa

retweaking my dual-mode SD40 code was a hassle, but it's good to go for other stuff in future

also this technichally means I have all the locomotives in the original version I posted to bananas

still haven't got more than the base liveries done, but that's a future problem

[strange quiver]

god JP+ roads look so good

I should steal some of these sprites for an American or Australian road set maybe 🤔

[gritty bone]

p l e a s e

Auz Road set already has an american localization that I adore to bits

[mental musk]

https://railgallery.ru/photo/02/95/21/295218.jpg

[flat void]

fyi the bottom heads never displayed a "stop" aspect.

[strange quiver]

Yee, that was partially intentional

It allows for more variety in aspects

Although I'm open to changing it to something more accurate

[strange quiver]

Oh btw, gonna work on more locomotives tonight, so requests welcome

I'm either gonna do the SD24 or SD50 series, or move to do the GP series

Just not sure which ones tho

Could also do one of the catalogued, but not built EMDs

SD30 maybe?

[finite mountain]

Would love to see you make a dual mode version of the SD40 wide cab variant

[steep echo]

Could make a carriage

Thats yellow motorbike with a black man driving it

And a fat black man wearing green as his passenger

To be put at the end of trains

[strange quiver]

I could, but it might be a bit much

[strange quiver]

Whyyyy???

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17462020

[strange quiver]

:////

[steep echo]

Xddd

Would be easy to draw!

[late pewter]

Maybe a 70-ton switcher?

[strange quiver]

Maybe

[strange quiver]

I'll consider it, but I'm trying to focus on mainline stuff atm

[strange quiver]

got distracted by thesis work, so probably no new trains tonight

but I got my viability anlysis done, and you guys might find it interesting

here are the top gravity scores for SA3s in sydney, and their corresponding rail services

it's interesting how there are many areas that show high viability, but have no rail services

it's also funny, but the most viable corridor is the Northern Beaches line

which was in the back of my head, I was thinking might be up there, but I didn't realise it'd be that viable lmao

[full river]

What's your thesis title?

Low-key investing on this

[strange quiver]

it doesn't have one 🙁

I'm only doing it for my masters of planning anyway, so it's not gonna get published

[full river]

Aw

[strange quiver]

but it's on creating a gravity model to assess potential transport corridors

and I'm comparing it against the existing rail network, and proposed rail network under future transport 2056

[full river]

Are you taking civil engineering?

[strange quiver]

nope, urban planning

[full river]

Fantastic work there

[strange quiver]

thanks!

[strange quiver]

I lied, SD50 done

also did a high hood variant, even though I don't think any were built?

[turbid bronze]

yoooooooooo

[frosty sand]

How late do you plan on doing high hood versions? NS bought Dash 9s with low noses when everyone else was buying wide cabs. It would be fun to see a high-nose Dash 9 if GE let them buy one 😛

[strange quiver]

why would you say that >:/

I guess I'm doing it until the Dash-9 generation now

I was planning on stopping at the SD50 generation

oh wait, nvm, I thought you said they ordered high hoods

[woeful halo]

Will you do sharknoses?

[strange quiver]

last high nose locomotive on my list is the SD60 for some reason, after that it's low noses only

[woeful halo]

Those looked impractical but just asking

[strange quiver]

yee, of course :3

RF-16 is on my priority list too, so I'll do it soon

[woeful halo]

cool

I need to get my schedule in check

I need to get working on India Set myself

[strange quiver]

yee, an indian set would be really cool

doing more research, seems the last locomotive delivered with a high hood was the B36-7, so that frees up a fair few ids

[turbid bronze]

"how many US trains do you intend on adding"

"yes"

[severe elbow]

I agree

[strange quiver]

You guys can stop me

But I know you wont

[strange quiver]

once my north american stuff is more complete, I'm gonna have to get a NA scenario for it 🤔

could tweak Nekomasters one

or... try and see if making a larger 8k one would be possible

[strange quiver]

also, no trains tonight

spent all arvo writing, and I got 1k words done 🙁

[severe elbow]

Avro Vulcan??

[strange quiver]

Thats a plane?

[signal gate]

Vulcan is more than a plane

It’s an experience

Unlikely to ever recur

[severe elbow]

you said avro

[mental musk]

maybe lancaster?

still, i do think that the best name in the history of british aerospace industry was the WHIRLWIND

[signal gate]

channel hijack https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAoLJkiRuGY

turn it up

[strange quiver]

Arvo >:/

[strange quiver]

They're so cool

[signal gate]

I was there

it's spine chilling

hmm none of the videos on YT are as good as the one I have 😛

spiral climb

[flat void]

Us yanks call it the "afternoon"

[strange quiver]

I still think our old F-111s are cooler tho 😛

[strange quiver]

And this is why Australia is better 😎

[strange quiver]

okay first thesis draft is done

gonna see if I can do the SD60s tonight

[strange quiver]

SD60s are so annoying, since they're so similar to the earlier SD50

either way, I think this cover this style of cab pretty well

hopefully this weekend I can run through and do the other locomotives with this cab too

tbh, I really wanna get to stuff like the SDP35/40/45 and the SD70MACH because imaging them with gallery cars tickles my brain for some reason

[mental musk]

wasnt this cabine design used also in cab units for BN and CN?

[strange quiver]

pmuch

but by the SD60 generation, it was becoming a standard across the US

[strange quiver]

SD60s done :3

[dim pulsar]

:ε

[haughty pollen]

You've drawn every American freight diesel since 1990

they're all Dash 9 to me 😅

[mental musk]

Looks like You also played MSTS?

[haughty pollen]

A long time ago lol

[strange quiver]

And soon I will do it too

There is a WIP sprite in the horse repo with a GE style wide cab

So I could probably copy that tbh...

[signal gate]

is there? 😄

all the things I've drawn 😛

also https://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=632874

think you've nailed it 😛

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/797251/

[strange quiver]

It was on your moose test sheet iirc

I'll find it tonight

[strange quiver]

I really should start doing the F45s...

[strange quiver]

Well the code does allow you to do goofy stuff like that 🙂

Oh also, does anyone have any suggestions for how to do a BNSF livery?

The yellow/orange in Newcc doesn't contrast that well against each other, so thats a dud

[strange quiver]

Case and point

Although that one is meant to be the chessie, but its the same combo

But yh, I really wanna include a BNSF livery, I'm just a little stumped on it

[finite mountain]

I think a B unit of the F45 and FP45 would be pretty cool

[strange quiver]

I'll consider it then...

[signal gate]

is that not in helper service? 😮

BNSF pumpkin will be quite hard in the available oranges

the orange is probably possible

but I think it will be hard to make it pop

[strange quiver]

Yeah, and thats the problem I have

[signal gate]

I'd probably mute the main orange down to this pinky orange

then rely on the black, and some yellow for contrast

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but the problem is I have to rely on company colours which I can't really tweak myself

[signal gate]

these are colour blends really

[strange quiver]

Maybe having a higher contrast yellow would be a good idea?

[signal gate]

you can break any of you own rules you have about CC

you can just draw trains in fixed colours, totally permissible

[strange quiver]

I know, but I also don't wanna be too restrictive

I wanna try and use CC where possible

[strange quiver]

But I'm not opposed to it

Ie these SD40s, the wide cab ones only use CC1 for the cab, the rest is fixed

[frosty sand]

Alt history, BNSF never happened, Santa Fe forever 😛

[strange quiver]

Sure :333

Tbf both the ATSF liveries are in my list anyway

So theoretically a player could do it

[strange quiver]

Just doing some reading on my break, and turns out the Alaska railroad bought 12 SD70MACs with HEP that were delivered in 1993

Seemingly, it would be justifiable to identify them as SD70MACH, same as the metra units

So should I introduce them in 1993 (when Alaska got them) or 2023 (when metra did)

Both sprited would be identical, and they'd serve the same gameplay purpose

Also I might include a sub roster for just rebuilds? Because theres a lot of weird goofy ones

[mental musk]

just one question

WHY the yanks are alergic to 2 cab diesels?

[strange quiver]

1 cab is cheap

and hood units don't need a second cab

also they tend to operate diesels back to back

[mental musk]

yes, but I am talking about full-body width locos

[strange quiver]

2nd cab adds cost, and they operate them back to back regardless

[mental musk]

still, that photo is weird

[strange quiver]

also it's just preference, sometimes it doesn't need to be logical

[mental musk]

cultural thing, just as not having an logical numbering scheme

while some american railways number thair locos according to type or horsepower

most just slap random numbers

just look at UP roaster

[strange quiver]

no, they generally number them into blocks based on the order

e.g. UP numbering SD70MACs in the 4000-4999 range

[mental musk]

generally yes, but not all the time

https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Union-Pacific-2019-locomotive-roster.pdf

generally some types do not form uniform blocks

[strange quiver]

yh, but those are often for one offs, or a result of legacy issues (ie older locomotives being retired and the numbers being re-used)

[mental musk]

and blocks not always starts with 00 or at least an single 0

and dont evan start to talk about locos with special paintjobs...
As thay tend to be given special numbers which smashes the system

[strange quiver]

yeah, but having a consistent numbering system isn't important

[mental musk]

it is

I really like the idea of hertige units

but I do not like 2 things

1. weird numbers

2. designations of companies that do not exist anymore

thay could use thair own actual designation, but with paintjob of an defucent company

[strange quiver]

fair enough I suppose

[signal gate]

also the US still widely has turntables and wyes

so reversing a unit is practical

[strange quiver]

SD70s done

gonna get onto the SD70MAC now

might do it in a BNSF livery since it'll be only one locomotive, and that makes experimenting easier

NARS Add on did the SD70ACe in a BNSF livery, and it doesn't look toooo bad

I think the issue is just with the orange in Newcc being too bright

I kinda have an idea on how to deal with it, so let's see how it goes

[severe elbow]

Thin bodies allow for ease of access to the engine

[strange quiver]

kinda works?

I think this is the best I can really do tbh

gonna retweak the cab side view since it doesn't look correct imo

[mental musk]

indeed,
Also are great for shunting

[mental musk]

really really nice

if only we had another orange company colour to choose (darker)

[signal gate]

is the orange CC?

[strange quiver]

yee

[signal gate]

I'd consider forcing the pixels for the running board

or the lowest pixel of the hood body

just create contrast between the orange body and the yellow frame

hmm https://www.google.com/search?q=bnsf+orange+wooden+train&sca_esv=d915882ffb3cd600&udm=2&biw=1221&bih=992&ei=1_b5aKTFNaiBhbIPo8qOgAg&ved=0ahUKEwjkjJ62grqQAxWoQEEAHSOlA4AQ4dUDCBI&uact=5&oq=bnsf+orange+wooden+train&gs_lp=Egtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZyIYYm5zZiBvcmFuZ2Ugd29vZGVuIHRyYWluSLIQUN4BWI4PcAF4AJABAJgBQ6ABlQaqAQIxM7gBA8gBAPgBAZgCA6ACkAHCAgUQABiABMICBBAAGB7CAgYQABgIGB6YAwCIBgGSBwEzoAeQCbIHATK4B4sBwgcFMC4yLjHIBwg&sclient=gws-wiz-img

[strange quiver]

I tried that, it didnt contrast that well

[signal gate]

the big BNSF units have silver trucks and fuel tank

I think that doesn't work in OpenTTD though

[strange quiver]

yeah, unless I do a specific silver frame, and I cbf

[signal gate]

lego can be instructive https://www.google.com/search?q=+orange+lego+BNSF&sca_esv=d915882ffb3cd600&udm=2&biw=1221&bih=992&ei=E_j5aKeVFZDOhbIP3-eE8AQ&ved=0ahUKEwjn6tTMg7qQAxUQZ0EAHd8zAU4Q4dUDCBI&uact=5&oq=+orange+lego+BNSF&gs_lp=Egtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZyIRIG9yYW5nZSBsZWdvIEJOU0ZI70JQqg5YqEFwB3gAkAEAmAFRoAGhCaoBAjE5uAEDyAEA-AEBmAIKoAKoBMICBBAAGB7CAgYQABgIGB7CAgYQABgHGB7CAggQABgHGAoYHsICCBAAGAcYCBgewgIFEAAYgASYAwCIBgGSBwIxMKAHxS-yBwE4uAelBMIHBTAuOC4yyAcW&sclient=gws-wiz-img

😛

dunno, I think your sprite works well, I just like to try and make things pop more

maybe the nose mostly

some of the BNSF schemes have a warbonnet nose

[strange quiver]

yeah, I tried that

I'm gonna experiment more

I also wanna try and get the cab to look a little better

so I'm gonna work on that before bed

tweaked it a bit, and it looks better imo (top is new)

also shortened the Spartan cab nose so they match

I think it looks nicer

gonna have to go back and fix some of the earlier generations though 🫠

I'll probably only do the SD50/SD60 generations though

SD40s and earlier had big noses

[strange quiver]

tbh I think the longer noses look better on the SD40s and the like, so I might just update the SD60s?

or I could just leave them

nah, I'll touch up the SD60s, they had the same cabs as the later SD70s

[strange quiver]

little bit better imo

but yh, bedtime now, tomorrows job is gonna be the SD70ACe (Hopefully)

[strange quiver]

also I'm probably gonna put the SD70MACH intro as 1993

litterally no mixed traffic locomotives in the 90s, so it makes sense lmao

legit there's very little difference between these two, so it'd make sense to combine them

slightly different greebles in the rear, but otherwise identical

I'm guessing that's a result of different HEP generators

[severe elbow]

What on earth is that loco at the bottom

[frosty sand]

I support the earlier MACH introduction. Makes more sense for an alt-history set than restricting it to the later rebuild.

You’ve got me thinking about an Alaska game now 👀

[left cipher]

i think we'd need flag stops for that lol

[finite mountain]

Are you gonna do the SD60M with the triclops cab?

[finite mountain]

There's also the SD60MAC which was a demonstrator model for AC traction which shares the same triclops design

So if you do think about doing the triclops cabs, you could just have all the SD60s with this cab design be SD60MACs

Although, the triclops cab design came before the later cab design and the SD60MACs

[haughty pollen]

The triclops looks cool but I'm not sure how visible it would be in a diagonal sprite

[finite mountain]

Well, since the F59PH also has the triclops cab design and theres a F59PH in the NARS add-on set, that can be used to get an idea of how to make the cab

[mellow loom]

@strange quiver Are your sprites on github? Point me at your most stereotypical US locomotive (One of those orange BNSF ones or something?)

[strange quiver]

Some fictional thing I found, probably won't include it tho

[strange quiver]

Easy

[strange quiver]

Nah, its basically the same at this scale tbh

[strange quiver]

Yee, they are, someone else might have to link you as I'm on my phone atm tho

[strange quiver]

Also I might include the SD60MAC, but we'll see...

[rancid bear]

Check out the pins on this thread for the link to the GitHub

[strange quiver]

Oh yh, I did pin it 🫠

[strange quiver]

did a sneaky today (worked on my thesis at work)

so I can spend all of this arvo on trains 🙂

[turbid bronze]

smart strategy. Goofing off work so you can work on your thesis? Cheeky, but still admirable. Scholarly. Seen as respectable by old manager people. Goofing off work so you can draw tiny trains for a video game? Weird. Not respected. Gets you called into old managers office to get your ass kicked.

[strange quiver]

exactly 🙂

just don't tell sky news though

"council worker found not doing much work at work"

[turbid bronze]

Just don't tell them you then go home and draw the tiny trains instead of working on your thesis more.

[strange quiver]

exactly 🙂

[turbid bronze]

That might get you into strife.

[strange quiver]

tbf, the only task I had to do today was write a letter about a voluntary planning agreement we're working on

so it's not like I'm behind on anything

and I only spent like 20 mins on my thesis otherwise lmao

[turbid bronze]

yeah my work today was hardly stressful

[strange quiver]

that can also be bad though, since you then have to pretend to be busy lmao

[turbid bronze]

not really? work culture in a big corporation is very different from the work culture where I used to work

where I used to work absolutely

but here it's like 'i don't feel like I'm doing enough' and then people telling me to slow down and don't try and fix everything overnight

lmao

[strange quiver]

tbf I'm like that too, it's just work at council rn is slow

or at least there's not much work for a student planner

[turbid bronze]

mostly because I spent the last twenty years getting the shit kicked out of me doing the work of five people

so my expectations are very skewed

[strange quiver]

when I was working in development assessment, the only feedback I got on my probation is that I need to rest more and take more leave 💀

[strange quiver]

that'd do it :/

[turbid bronze]

like yesterday I sat around for two hours, replaced a power supply, drove back into town, rode an e-scooter from my house to the office in the CBD, dropped off a box of 2nd hand fibre modules for someone, rode a scooter back home, sat in aircon for the afternoon chatting on webex and did like, one video call

and got absolutely glazed by half a dozen different people for helping

[strange quiver]

sounds fun

tbh I kinda wish I had a more hands on job, I'm not suited to fixing things, but it's nice to not have to constantly think all the time lmao

also looking to do the SD60MACs, and they're slightly different to the SD60Ms >:////

[strange quiver]

SD60MACs done

[mental musk]

now this is one really strange GO transit train...

[severe elbow]

Probably because it’s Burlington northern…

[strange quiver]

SD70ACe done :3

[strange quiver]

SD89MAC, in case you want something to not buy

[turbid bronze]

looks heinous, can't wait to buy one

[strange quiver]

fucked up 🙁

also looking at the roster, there's enough freight locomotives for a release imo, since there's at least basic coverage of everything

but... I do obviously want to include more content before releasing

I think this weekend, I might work on some non hood locomotives, since I want to sit on them for a bit and return with fresh eyes

so I might do the F59s?

also I might touch up some of the older locomotives I drew, now that I have more experience with american locomotives

[severe elbow]

Well, EMD locos at least

[strange quiver]

yee, GEs and ALCOs will be soon 🙂

[severe elbow]

RS3 when ❤️

[strange quiver]

it's on the priority list 🙂

especially since I have the ORP RSC-3 to use as a reference

[severe elbow]

Yea

[frosty sand]

Do plan to group these as variants? Ie, put all the cab/nose variations of the same loco together?

[strange quiver]

Probably not

when I did the SD40s originally, I had them grouped as: Parent > Cab Variant > Livery

and I found it just too clunky

I think having them separate is probably the better way to do it, but I'm open to suggestions

[frosty sand]

I liked the way you did it before 🙂

[strange quiver]

I'll think about changing it then, but I'm already pretty set on this way tbh

[frosty sand]

It’s not a big deal, do what you want 🙂

I was just curious

[strange quiver]

all good

if it gets overwhelming with lots of locomotives, it's not a big deal to change it

[signal gate]

ya know

variants are good

but if you haven't tried Horse livery badges in OpenTTD beta with badge filtering ....

then you haven't seen the future

[strange quiver]

well it's something I do wanna do at some point...

[signal gate]

it adds a dimension to roster design

• structure

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'm gonna need to do that tbh

[strange quiver]

LIRR DE/DM30ACs done

[strange quiver]

🤔

[wind valley]

i can go to montauk with this

[woeful halo]

.... Downeaster Alexa

[strange quiver]

nicked a locomotive from Cities skylines :3

[strange quiver]

basically it's a more powerful/expensive version of this

or at least, that's how I'm balancing this, since it's fictional

[frosty sand]

Isn’t that just a PL42AC in C:S?

[haughty pollen]

It's an electric version 😉

Could be dual-mode as well

[vestal minnow]

@strange quiver about the North American roads you mentioned earlier, would be cool to see stroads like these represented as well as freeways with North American style markings

Many roads in suburban areas are like this, the area between the yellow lines allows for turns and separates opposing traffic

Usually a 60 km/h speed limit

Typical freeway scene in North America

Yellow line on the left, white line on the right

[haughty pollen]

Basically an American reskin of JP+ Roads 😅

[vestal minnow]

The suburban stroads almost always have overhead power lines following them, providing power to the businesses along them

[haughty pollen]

That's a common sight in Australia too

[frigid drum]

I use the ultimate constructor for JP+ roads, so repaint should be actually very easy

So steal it and make "international" roads as I won't do those 😛

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but with a pantograph :3

[strange quiver]

Can do :3

[strange quiver]

also, thesis update, it's 34 pages 💀

gotta write the reference list and she's done

then one more assignment and I can dedicate more time to openttd 🙂

[strange quiver]

oh yh, wanted to spend today vibing, but a friend made to go to the model show down the road, and I spent too much money 💀

I suppose I've got more info when I loop back to Australian stuff tho

oh actually, that reminds me, I should mark the american stuff that can go in the australian set as priority

[turbid bronze]

update your github farkin' 😛

[strange quiver]

woops

gimme like 10 mins, and I'll update it 🙂

[turbid bronze]

lol, all good, I'm about to get spanked by a massive thunderstorm here, trying to work out whether I need to stick the car under the house before the hail hits lol

[strange quiver]

hopefully it's not too bad lmao

[turbid bronze]

lmao

i'm gonna go move the car

[strange quiver]

probably a good idea tbh...

[turbid bronze]

yeah this ones pretty crunchy, first 'big' storm since moving up here. Can hear some absolute corker hale stones hitting the roof and the walls

definitely glad I got the car under cover

lmao

[strange quiver]

yeah, I could imagine it'd cause some damage lmao

[turbid bronze]

yeah theres fist sized chunks of hale in my front and back yards lmao

[steep echo]

show us

[turbid bronze]

eh they've melted now

[steep echo]

aww

[turbid bronze]

more like golf ball sized

[steep echo]

ive never seen hale bigger than like pea size tbh

[turbid bronze]

well, I live in the tropics now lmao

[strange quiver]

I don't have a transition

but the F59PHs are done

I had a goober moment and originally drew them on the 8 template so aaaa

I suppose if I ever need a big F59, I've got that now

also new commit @turbid bronze

go have fun 🙂

[strange quiver]

https://www.usrailcar.com/documents/US Railcar Brochure-Nov10.pdf

these US Railcar DMUs designs are kinda neat

[woeful halo]

These look good

But I love locos more

AEM7 my beloved

[strange quiver]

yeah, but we need some DMUs 🙂

[woeful halo]

Are there any in US?

[strange quiver]

not many recent ones

[woeful halo]

All I can think of are streetcars and subway ones

for US

[strange quiver]

but there were the colorado railcar ones, which these were based on

otherwise there really aren't many MUs in the US at all

[woeful halo]

Don't know much about Canada

Same with the rest of the Americas

Brazil used to have an okish railway network

now mostly freight

Cuba has a good network

I believe Mexico is decent as well

[strange quiver]

yee, they have lots

but for this set, I'm only covering the US, Canada and Mexico

those other countries will be in another, future set

[woeful halo]

Great.

I will stick to India in my set

though I might draw stuff for PK/BD later on

Burma is ex JP stuff afaik

same ish situation like Indonesia

[woeful halo]

....unless I get contributors for the other two aforementioned countries

Afghanistan,Nepal and Bhutan don't have railways afaik

[strange quiver]

yee, at least not modern ones

[strange quiver]

yee, it'd be cool to have an indian set

it's on my radar to, but as a long, long term project

[woeful halo]

It's in perennial development hell

[strange quiver]

I have a lot of trains I want to do before then first

[woeful halo]

Yep, mine too

I will make time for dev work

Was very busy ( frankly lost interest in the game for a while)

I have drawn two trains till now

Will finish the diesel roster

[strange quiver]

well best of luck

and if you ever need any advice/help, feel free to ask

I've drawn too many trains, so I know a thing or two lmao

[woeful halo]

Thank you

I have done stuff in xUSSR scale tho

So usually 12/8

[strange quiver]

tbf, its the same principles tho

[mental musk]

I know that it is not strictly american

But the nipphon shayro MU operating in Califormia and Canada?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/UPXatMimico.jpg

there is also an walk-through version

https://www.dawlishtrains.com/uploads/7/2/2/3/7223531/7166751_orig.jpg

wait an moment, thay did this too

https://www.n-sharyo.co.jp/business/tetsudo/images/zmarc.jpg

and this

https://www.n-sharyo.co.jp/business/tetsudo/images/zlactc.jpg

and a lot of other things

Big in Japan plays in the background

[turbid bronze]

that one is already in NARS so there's precedent to include it.

[woeful halo]

Isn't Tony's NAPR mostly just filled with multiple units ?

It's quite good

I need to play an American themed game soon

[turbid bronze]

also i'm watching a vid on the 2foot sugarcane trains running in northern queensland. I need to get up there one day once stuff stabilises at work.

always wanted to explore more of queensland and I guess I live here now 🤣

[strange quiver]

of course, they operate in North America

I don't have a rule about country of origin

[turbid bronze]

and it looks like I stuffed up that PR with the .gitignore file as you're gobbling up the nmlcache every commit you make lately. I'll try and fix that. Should make your syncs a looooooot quicker.

[strange quiver]

oh lmao

thanks for that, I didn't even notice

[turbid bronze]

yeah i did when I was reading your commits and going 'this is fucking useless'

with the gitignore setup properly you should just be able to easily read a commit on github and see what changed

like at a glance

[strange quiver]

fair fair

[turbid bronze]

not really a you problem but makes it hard for other people to see what you've been up to

[strange quiver]

also, tangent, but on the weekend I bought the data sheet for NSW RU and BWH wheat wagons, finally hung it up on my wall

I'm so cool 🙂

[strange quiver]

yh, fair enough, so still worthwhile sorting out

[woeful halo]

Is that so? I haven't used gitingore yet

might use it in future

[gritty bone]

I jsut got an idea of American interurbans.

[strange quiver]

Would be cool

But when I get around to interurbans, I'm only doing them as standard gauge

Imo adding gauge complexity doesn't add too much gameplay wise (with exceptions to some narrow gauge stuff)

[turbid bronze]

Tbh some of that stuff in TTD terms at least would be better coded as a tram.

[strange quiver]

That too

Although the heavier interurban stuff I wanna do as trains

[turbid bronze]

Por Que no los dos?

https://tenor.com/view/both-nolosdos-why-dont-we-have-both-brilliant-gif-4553911

[strange quiver]

Because I don't like duplication 🙁

[turbid bronze]

D:

Could just wrap it in a parameter

I’m personally of the opinion a lot of that metro’ish interurban stuff should probably be coded as road vehicles.

[strange quiver]

I suppose

But for me, I think if its more railway like, it should be a railway, if its more tram like, it should be a tram

[haughty pollen]

I'd like to see stuff like the Electroliner

or the interurbans that used to cross the Oakland Bay bridge

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Bay_Electric_Lines

[strange quiver]

Yee, they'll be in the rapid transit pack 🙂

[earnest meadow]

should LA Metro light rail be classified as tram or train? we may never know

[strange quiver]

Its in the train category for me

The rule for me, is if it mostly operates on its on ROW, and is floor, probably a train

It falls into the category of "light metro" for me

[steep echo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_399

What about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RegioSprinter

Or this? c:

[strange quiver]

They're in that blurry area

It'd come down to the set I suppose

But I'd do probably code them as trams

[steep echo]

I’d have them as both xd

[strange quiver]

Valid, there's no rule on how to do it anyway

[turbid bronze]

For me it's mostly a matter of, if it's mostly city/urban running, in cramped places (by OTTD standards), and typically a low-floor type of vehicle, then tram would be better in OTTD terms than a full blown train. Especially if it's only one or a couple of carriages long.

and likewise I think anything 2foot gauge should probably be coded as a road vehicle rather than a train. Existing examples of 600mm/2foot narrowguage in OTTD coded as trains just look daft IMO

even grade separation I think still works well with trams

[strange quiver]

Fair fair, I just prefer them to be trains because it looks better outside of city centres imo

Although when I get around to doing narrow gauge stuff, I'm gonna keep them as trains too

Although I won't specify a gauge, it'll just be "narrow gauge"

[turbid bronze]

yeah nice flowing corners aren't really possible coding them as trams I will admit that makes them a bit unappealing as soon as you get out of an urban area

[strange quiver]

yee, and my interest is mostly how stuff like metros and suburban rail interacts with a wider rail network

so it's important to have those outter suburban bits

I've got a bachelors of planning, so I might as well use it 🙂

[turbid bronze]

you fancy edumacated people

[woeful halo]

Good luck , Ragin

I wanted to do a lot of stuff

settled for a bachelors in math

[strange quiver]

I spent 50k on my degree, I gotta use it somehow 🙂

[strange quiver]

thanks, although I'm just finishing up my masters now

literally one assignment left, and then I have a masters in planning too 🙂

[strange quiver]

ooooh, fun

[turbid bronze]

I failed highschool! 😄

just had to spend twenty years working my ass off lmao

[strange quiver]

tbf, I did too, I was just lucky at getting into uni lmao

[woeful halo]

I dunno man, life is a better teacher than professors

[turbid bronze]

yeah I never went to uni

[strange quiver]

for some reason, I got really bad depression when I was 14/15 lmao

[woeful halo]

I was about to fail in the equivalent of my school leaving exams

[turbid bronze]

yeah life can't qualify you as an engineer or a doctor though

[woeful halo]

How I passed with decent results is still a mystery

Yeah, missed out on getting into an engineering college

Twice

Gave up

Decided I am going to torment engineers later on

as a college professor

Lol

[turbid bronze]

though, actually technically i met all the prerequisites at one point to go for chartered engineer but I don't work in that particular sub field anymore.

[woeful halo]

Oh that's sad

Australia has certifications and licencing, don't they ?

[turbid bronze]

meh, I make way more money now than most engineers doing my particular weird little niche, I'm not sad.

[woeful halo]

That's nice

I think I will either turn up to be an obnoxious banker

or an obnoxious college professor

Either way, being obnoxious and generally a prick seems constant

[turbid bronze]

that sounds horrible

i got where I am by being nice, and helpful.

[woeful halo]

I generally am an okish person to talk to, perennially in physical pain

[turbid bronze]

don't have to be the smartest person in the room but being pleasant, and competent goes a long way

[woeful halo]

I try isolating myself because my pain keeps on flaring up

[signal gate]

me "none out of 3 ain't bad"

[woeful halo]

Oh well

[signal gate]

I had undiagnosed chronic pain for at least 25 years, maybe lifelong

[turbid bronze]

I had to make a lot of lifestyle changes to deal with chronic pain but I'm mostly OK now.

[signal gate]

chronic pain takes a mental effect

[turbid bronze]

Had to give up a lot of things I cared about. Oh well.

doesn't it just

[signal gate]

some pain management talks about making a friend of the pain

[woeful halo]

A friend of pain?

[turbid bronze]

most of it for me was changing my expectations.

[woeful halo]

Good idea

Maybe I will stop cursing my spine

and just accept it

that I probably have to give up on sports

....which means a lot to me ironically

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I had to give up on martial arts and other life goals I had. That then led to massive weight gain which compounded the physical pain. Now I've gotten that back under control a lot of the pain has been relieved. Slowly building my strength and fitness up again but I know I won't be able to do everything I used to do.

[signal gate]

the stock photos are terrible, but 'acceptance' https://www.paintoolkit.org/pain-tools

anyway, derailed the thread 😛

[woeful halo]

Oof

[signal gate]

oof

[woeful halo]

Nvm the chat got depressing

[turbid bronze]

Didn't mean for that last one to be depressing. Life goes on, and it does for the most part get better, but you do have to change your expectations of it slightly.

[woeful halo]

I think I will continue with swimming

until I can't do it

[woeful halo]

I agree.

[turbid bronze]

Accepting limitations in some areas also freed up other hang-ups I had in other areas of my life that I didn't even consciously realize I had. Basically, in the immortal words of Trent from Punchy, 'just fucken relax aye'

[woeful halo]

Hmm.

Scoliosis really does suck the life out of life.

But I ain't giving up!

[turbid bronze]

yeah that's a shitter

[signal gate]

total thread derail, but do you have physical therapy for scoliosis?

[woeful halo]

Can't afford it yet

Let's shift to #off-topic-2

[strange quiver]

somewhat of a test, but the U25B is done

tbh, I'm stilly iffy about my hood units, but I think I'm getting better at it

[signal gate]

took me a while to find a groove for them

[strange quiver]

yeah, and I have the benefit of once again copying your work 🙂

I used the Rockhampton/Hinterland as a reference for these, and it really helped

but it'll still take some getting used to

also it doesn't help that these were the first ones I drew 7/8

[signal gate]

some of those are unreleased

[strange quiver]

that's why you've gotta release it so I can steal

[signal gate]

there's a few dimensions

• running gear height
• solebar (frame) height
• how much running plate to show
• cab side windows vertical position
• cab roof curve

move those around until it looks right 😛

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's pretty much what I do

it's just gonna be tweaking until I get the right idea

when I get around to doing liveries, I'm probably not gonna do any for the hood units until I'm more comfortable tbh

[severe elbow]

Personally, the Sacramento northern units

[woeful halo]

Looks very early 20th century

[strange quiver]

More U-Boats

also guess who's ill and can't sleep? 🫠

[mental musk]

U Boot?
Whan I last time seen an train called an U-boot it looked a bit diffrent 😉

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/DR-219146-8-1800x1410.jpg/1200px-DR-219146-8-1800x1410.jpg

DAS ist einen U-boot

[haughty pollen]

No, this is a U-boat

[severe elbow]

Deltics are also called u boats sometimes since they share the same engine as the actual boats

I just call them oil spillers though 😄

[late pewter]

Get better soon Ragin!

[mellow loom]

Whoever came up with that is an idiot

Never used in a U-Boat

Once used in a captured WW2 E-Boat for testing, but literally one engine in one boat

They were used in patrol boats and minesweepers

[severe elbow]

and theres the boring technical knowledge i was waiting for

cant have fun can we

[mellow loom]

Never

[mental musk]

maybe he used an U-boot as an generic noun for any sub?

just as jeep for every lightweight cross country car

[severe elbow]

u boat*

[strange quiver]

first batch of Geeps

[wind valley]

GEEP

[woeful halo]

GEEP

[mental musk]

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-jeep-wrangler-just-send-it-offroad-gif-17383409

[severe elbow]

That’s a jeep, not a geep

[strange quiver]

more Geeps just dropped

so far we've got the:

• GP7
• GP9
• GP40
• GP40TC

[mental musk]

I love it

are the differrences in stats big?

[strange quiver]

not super

[mental musk]

also, GO transit had some F units btw

https://www.railpictures.net/images/d1/6/8/4/2684.1202940000.jpg

although to my knowlage thay had thair traction motors removed and acted as generator vans with driving cabs

so goodstrain loco without heating was on the 2nd train end

[strange quiver]

Yee, I know, although I'll do them in future

the ids are reserved to allow the go transit liveries

[mental musk]

is requirement for coach heating in OTTD an BAD FEATURE?

(so you need either an passenger loco or goodstrain loco+generator van combo for passenger trains)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3NZG50-6ZE

interesting vid

[strange quiver]

it could be interesting, but it's not something Im including

[haughty pollen]

Yes it's a bad feature, dealing with it was annoying in old versions of NARS

[strange quiver]

fair fair

and it's an extra thing to code, that can break

and it'd require me to code extra versions of locomotives that are largely freight locomotives, but still worked passenger trains (e.g. SEMTA's GP9s)

[signal gate]

I dunno

heating could be valid

probably more so than braking types, which I've considered and rejected many times 😛

badges for heating could be really quite easy

could work like restaurant cars

either the engine provides heat (as a badge), but don't nerf the HP, just make some game world assumptions

or add a heating van

would be bizarrely easy to parameterise on/off with badges alsp

whereas brakes....brr 😛

table 2 here 🙂 https://www.ltsv.com/w_ref_codes_tops.php

[dim pulsar]

head-end power is introduced in China Set affecting a BAD FEATURE recognised by Andy (cargo aging)

[signal gate]

warmer passengers pay more?

lol cargo aging, the feature for people who can't read charts

[dim pulsar]

Comfortable passengers pay more

In Chinese settings sometimes the weather get too warm or too cold

[woeful halo]

That's common I think?

[steep echo]

no, only china has weather

[woeful halo]

Chinese trains seem a bit cleaner than ours

[woeful halo]

Lol

[steep echo]

Mao Zedong invented it

after he scored 300 in a game of bowling

[woeful halo]

🤣

It's called sarcasm, JF

Don't take it seriously

[dim pulsar]

My meaning was “air conditioning”

[woeful halo]

Yeah I got your point

AC used to be a luxury just about everywhere

till the late 00s

in India

1st class AC coupes

[steep echo]

india is more advanced than the uk then lmao

[woeful halo]

It was a thing of rich relatives

travelling from one corner of India to the other

[dim pulsar]

Does most part of India need heating, though?

[woeful halo]

Depends where you are

Delhi in winters is quite cold

The hilly North

and the Himalayan places