Ragins Train Sets

[frosty sand]

The goofiest transit city

[red stump]

it really is

[frosty sand]

Shame they got rid of their left-hand-door trolleybuses, “temporarily” using diesel buses until the battery bus magic bullet never comes along

[flat void]

Two-aspect distant signals for the ORP - Signals pack?

[strange quiver]

Probably not, I don't know what purpose they'd serve

Oooh, neat

[velvet latch]

Hey, is there any preview/beta version of this train set?

[strange quiver]

Which one? I have quite a few train sets atm

[velvet latch]

I tought it was just one train set which ones are there?

[strange quiver]

The main ones that are released are the Oceanian Rail Pack series

But other the North American Rail Pack - Rapid Transit recently got updated

[strange quiver]

mentioned it in #add-on-development, but I wanted to add the ability to toggle certain trains on and off

Thankfully, JP+ Private companies has a pretty simple system where I can just add a tag in the climate section of trains, so it should be pretty easy to retrofit that into my sets :3

I do wonder with this string, if it would be possible to have multiple parameters that do teh same thing

ie one that disables 3rd rail suburban trains, and then another to disable fictional/real/prototype trains

[frigid drum]

I think you can do it with || or operator

[strange quiver]

Oh? Do you have an example I could look at?

[frigid drum]

I don't use it but I think something like
(param1 == 0 || param2 == 0) ? ...
Could work

[strange quiver]

Aight, I'll give it a go when I'm home

If it does I'll post here

[strange quiver]

so that seems to work, kinda...

probably is I need it so if it's disabled by just one paramter, the train isn't available

but rn if it's disabled by one parameter, the other parameter makes it so it's still available

[frigid drum]

Ah then you need to use && instead of ||

[strange quiver]

works flawlessly :3

[frigid drum]

Nice

[strange quiver]

now I just need to retrofit that into all my other sets 💀

[turbid bronze]

Time for basic booleans: || is ‘OR’ && is ‘AND’. If one OR the other is true return true. If one AND the other is true, return true.

Get it right and you can chain things and do some cool stuff.

[strange quiver]

neat 🙂

I'll try and keep it in mind, but I'm a coding idiot 😦

I'm gonna have to make so many parameters 💀

[signal gate]

parameters become regrettable

more QA / failure paths

[frigid drum]

Parameters are good, you should use it more 🙂

[mental musk]

hmmm so that's the reason Horse does not have an running cost setting

[signal gate]

it's one reason

the other is that the game already has a running cost setting

[mental musk]

and I must say that the Horse is perfectly balanced

While running costs are higher than on most other sets, thay still are no challange in low running cost setting

[frigid drum]

Grf cost params are for balancing with other grfs, that you never used 🙃
Unsinkable Sam for example could not be balanced with shark

[signal gate]

OpenTTD should do that

(doesn't, but should)

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I'm trying to keep them basic

also, now that I know how to do the disable parameters I could probably just integrate the 3rd rail addon into the base passenger set

[turbid bronze]

You could merge all of them and only need one MU car! ducks

[strange quiver]

I don't have that many Ids 😦

I could probably do it, but I'd lose all flexibility, and adding anything more in future would just be a massive hassle

[strange quiver]

also classifying some trains as real, proposed, and fictional and there are some edge cases

the X2000 technichally entered service in Australia, so they're real, but a full train set never made it here

but I guess it should go in the real category?

but on the other hand, the VFT sprite is based on all the information I can get on the proposals, so it's technically proposed, but at the same time, it's only pieced together from information, and not a single proposal

so I guess it's technichally fictional too?

[wind valley]

operational, prototype, proposed, fictional
your x2000 example would go under prototype

[strange quiver]

alright, I suppose that makes sense

how would we define prototype though?

[turbid bronze]

Proposed and fictional I think overlap too much. Prototype if at least one actually got built and trials got ran on it.

If the paperwork floated around but it never got built then yeah, proposed.

I guess you could say straight up fictional if it was only ever a pretty painting and never even got entertained for a formal proposal

[strange quiver]

aight, I'll think that's the criteria I'll use then

[strange quiver]

I'm using fictional for stuff that I designed tbh

[turbid bronze]

Well yeah that makes sense too

[strange quiver]

the criteria for proposed is that in an alternate universe, it is reasonable for it to have been built

[turbid bronze]

Ragins Originals

[strange quiver]

so stuff like the XPT-DM which was only mentioned in the VFT proposal would go into the proposed category, because while a design wasn't made, we can reasonably assume what it would have looked like

altough the issue is then what about the VR Interurban Comeng trains? They were proposed, but I haven't got a blueprint for them, so my sprite was entirely based on assumptions

so I guess that's more fictional?

also I guess these are technchally proposed and fictional? because they're based on actual car plans, just with different equipment and in a different era

AAAAA

I'm overthinking this

[turbid bronze]

See how the numbers per each category look. If it’s too stacked in any one area then default to the more optimistic or more cynical of the two choices.

Until it evens out

[strange quiver]

tbh I'm fine if they don't work out fully

[turbid bronze]

Yeah, sort the list and then do a gut check

[strange quiver]

it's more to give people who wanna play realistic games the ability to disable anything that isn't 100% real

[strange quiver]

oops, all parameters

I might change the text colour to make it more clear what is what

I suppose that makes it clearer

[frosty sand]

I don’t understand the point of these parameters. Players who don’t want specific vehicles can just…not buy them. 🙂

Make GRFs for yourself 🙂

[strange quiver]

I know, I'm just including them for scenario makers and the like who may want to restrict certain vehicles

or players who want a way to reduce buy menu clutter

[turbid bronze]

Honestly I don’t see any point beyond the real/prototype/proposed/fictional

You’re creating a tangled mess of nested conditions that’s gonna drive you up the wall.

[strange quiver]

well it's pretty straigth forward, most trains only have two disable conditions, and in testing it seems to not have any issues

but worse case, the way it's setup means a basic find and replace can get rid of it

[full turret]

What GRF are these in?

[strange quiver]

CNAPS

iirc there's two versions on bananas, but that's because I stuffed up when posting, so ones a locomotive set while the other is a passenger set

[haughty pollen]

Not sure if you've had a look at it yet, but a lot of the diesels have misaligned smoke effects

presumably electrics too but it's less noticable with the sparks

[velvet latch]

Which track set is recommended with your train sets?

[full turret]

I only saw one, downloaded it and it's working fine

[strange quiver]

Yee, I've noticed that too, I'm just not sure how to fix it

[strange quiver]

I normally use ufibys track set

[haughty pollen]

Use the visual effect and powered property, it allows you to set the offset

visual_effect_and_powered: visual_effect_and_powered(VISUAL_EFFECT_STEAM, 3, DISABLE_WAGON_POWER);

[strange quiver]

I'll play around with it then

[haughty pollen]

That's what I did for the reversed tender engines

I think the number is just an offset by vehicle length in /8ths

there's another way of doing offsets with more exact coordinates and multiple emitters, which Andy's sets use

that's how he does "side by side" emitters

[strange quiver]

oooh, that's odd

[strange quiver]

I see

[strange quiver]

I had a go at this, and I just get an error whe compiling

oh hang on I know why

and that's easily done then

I'll have to retrofit every other set with this now

[strange quiver]

oh yh, finally got around to doing those Tulloch Interurban liveries

[twilit grove]

good boy

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/kinda-sus-bro-cat-gif-14584810346138711389

[strange quiver]

🤔

also, if people wanna know what I've been working on more broadly

it's mostly just updating misc sprites

updated the sprites of some of the early DMUs and passenger coaches

some really badly need a re-work, like these WAGR DMUs are so bad 💀

[strange quiver]

guess who just found out the sprite alignment they used is broken? 🫠

[steep echo]

Oopsie poopsie

[strange quiver]

:////

[strange quiver]

okay fixed the template

tbh, idk how people who work with software for a living don't go crazy and stab people

either way, SX EMUs done, I was gonna code them as coaches too, but that can be tomorrow nights job

might also add more liveries to the U-sets, and code them as loco hauled carriages too, since IRL they were loco hauled for a few months before they ran under their own power

[mental musk]

similer to hitachi

[strange quiver]

Hitachis weren't locomotive hauled?

[mental musk]

I mean these

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Hitachi_at_Merri_creek_bridge.jpg

I do not know what was the class designation

[strange quiver]

they're hitachis

[mental musk]

wait

these do not have an series designation?

(The numbering range can be series designation too)

[strange quiver]

no, they're just known as Hitachi trains

[mental musk]

theorithically they were made on hitachi licence although not a single component was manufactured by hitachi thairselves

weird that thse do not have an official designation

[strange quiver]

well only the electrical components were based on Hitachi equipment

the bodies and everything else was designed and manufactured locally

they only carry the Hitach name because it was a simple nickname, and they didn't have an official name unlike other Melbourne trains

iirc when they first entered service they were just called Silver Sets

[mental musk]

God, managing the fleet without official type designations must be an nightmare

and the numbering seems weird too

[strange quiver]

well they sitll had a name

tbh you don't really need an official designation, just something to call them

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I haven't posted about that electric pony set I was working on in a while...

largely because I haven't had the inspiration to work on it, and I've been unsure how to move forward

but what I'm thinking of doing is making the narrow gauge EMUs use the push-pull code I use for stuff like the X2000, since I know that works, it's similar to iron horse, and it means I don't have to try and reverse engineer iron horses code

as for the EMUs, I might not do them based on QR stuff since it doesn't fit the iron horse vibe tbh, but as an alternative addon I wouldn't be opposed

what I might instead do it stuff based on swiss narrow gauge

since imo that fits Horse's style, and there are already some narrow gauge equipment based on swiss narrow gauge

also they're be pretty easy to draw lmao

[turbid bronze]

I mean, narrow gauge in horse already has a bit of a aussie/kiwi vibe to it so maybe not too far removed?

but eh I'm not complaining

electric pony is a fun name

[strange quiver]

True

Tbf I'll probably make them some sort of hybrid, so not fully based on them

But we'll see

[rancid bear]

Hello! Really enjoying your sets! In the Oceania set, specifically one of the livery variations of the Bombardier Vlocity, I think I found graphical bug. The first carriage does not seem to pick up the primary CC at the top. Should it have a matching yellow stripe?

[strange quiver]

Oooh, yh, thats a bug, I'll fix that this weekend

I wanna redo the vlocities anyway

[rancid bear]

Awesome! Probably one of my favourites in the set!

[strange quiver]

not gonna finish it tonight, but brain thought

Long distance version of the tait

basically a tait mixed with a VR E type coach

it's kinda cool imo?

[signal gate]

liking the repeating windows

[strange quiver]

yeah, I try and use this where I can

but for some sprites it's annoying not able to be used due to the layout of the vehicle

[strange quiver]

also I might add a front inter-car door on these

since I feel like if these were real, they'd mix motors/trailers the same way they did with normal taits, and with longer distances it's importanted to be able to go from one car to the other

goes surpsisingly hard

[strange quiver]

goes hard

[strange quiver]

Vlocity re-done

[strange quiver]

new OSCAR livery apparently

I should really draw these tbh

[mental musk]

really nice

[haughty pollen]

This is for when the Oscars get cascaded into suburban service after being displaced by the new intercitys I assume

Wonder if they'll still stick around on the Wollongong locals between Waterfall and Port Kembla

[strange quiver]

yee, seemingly

it is option 2, so I'm assuming there's more

I could probably do a GIPA request to get the others, but I'm not that desperate

[strange quiver]

I think the plan is to have NIFs do that, and all OSCARs/Tangaras stick to suburban runs

[severe elbow]

That’s one of the 3 options

[strange quiver]

Oh?

[strange quiver]

Harris refurb done

and in post MTA liveries, in case your game is in the fucked up timeline where the refurb harris's make it into MTMs ownership

[untold viper]

Cursed

[strange quiver]

Tulloch 1200 class and DRCs done :3

[strange quiver]

🤔

[haughty pollen]

Push pull V-line? Interesting

[strange quiver]

well I've heard a few people mention that the H-types were meant to have driving trailers

yet to find proof, but for the time being I can make an educated guess on what they would have looked like 🙂

[strange quiver]

goes hard tbh

but yh, VR H-type coaches done

[untold viper]

H-Set my beloved

[flat void]

https://tenor.com/view/h-my-beloved-my-beloved-gif-20195191

[strange quiver]

re-drew my early coaches (1855-1877) and I think they look a lot better

I'm finally over my "give everything noise" arc

I still wanna try and find a way to differentiate the 4/6/8 wheel coaches tho, so I might loop back to them

[steep echo]

yes

noise is a good way to add fake detail

but not really a supliment for real detail

regardless, you're one of the best artists around at the moment

[strange quiver]

yeah, exactly

[strange quiver]

oh god don't say that, I'm a dumbass 😦

[steep echo]

is true tho

what i said

[strange quiver]

I'll disagree but sure

[steep echo]

there's like 5 competent artists currently active in this server and we're 2 of them

[strange quiver]

I suppose 🙂

[strange quiver]

https://youtu.be/3x7QlIjrldE?si=Sv2NQvBp8WNWcUu1

watched this video, and now I kinda wanna do a station names grf

looking at this

https://github.com/JGRennison/extra-station-names-sample-grf

it seems simple enough...

I might start noting down suffixes, so if anyone has any suggestions lmk

I'll probably do australian/kiwi names first tho

[wind valley]

-bong has to be a suffix

[strange quiver]

not really a suffix we use for stations tho

[wind valley]

ah for stations? ye

i was thinking town names lol

[strange quiver]

yee

[strange quiver]

tbf, there's already an aussie town name set that includes bong as a suffix 🙂

[strange quiver]

been experimenting, and I've just been looking for anything that's relevant

currently got it set up so that road stops are named after a road, and I just grabbed whatever names I liked

railway stations are generally named after/based on IRL stations

I'll keep adding more names as I think of them

[vestal minnow]

Does your newgrf differentiate between road/rail/air/water stations?

Regular ones don’t

[strange quiver]

It does

[vestal minnow]

Oh nice

Sometimes I love how a town’s second airport is automatically given a name like [town] Halt or [town] Lakeside as it uses another unused suffix

[strange quiver]

yeah!

it's why I added a few airport specific suffixes

[finite mountain]

Man, I could use something like that. After all, it gets tiring and pretty hard to give original names to your different stations and stops

Btw, are there also extra names for stuff like waypoints?

[strange quiver]

no 😦

as far as I'm aware, there's not a way for me to do that

[finite mountain]

Oh

Btw, will it include numbered street names? (Like 42nd Street)

[strange quiver]

no, because we don't use those for street names in Australia or New Zealand

but I'll make a north american version at some point that includes them

[untold viper]

Sometimes 😂

[strange quiver]

yh, but they're far more rare!

also my god numbered street names are annoying af

I have a DA at work that's on a numbered street and every time I have to refer to it I always forget which way around the numbers go

[vestal minnow]

For airport: Air Force Base, New [townname] International Airport, Airpark, Sky Harbour, Jetport, Spaceport (for futuristic games)

[strange quiver]

Those work

But I'd rather not include AFB or Spaceport

Not every airport will be an AFB or space port

I wanna try and stick to names that are generic

If the player wants to call them that, they can just rename it

[vestal minnow]

Ok

Yeah I know what you mean

[mental musk]

Baikonur Cosmodrome
Cape Canaveral Cosmodrome

[strange quiver]

They don't exist in Australia tho :3

[strange quiver]

also, if anyone wants to know what names I've included thus far, here's the lang

ones with just a number are for road stops only, U is road and rail, RC is rail near city centres, R is rail anywhere else, D is for docks, and A is for airports

also

any more names welcome

[finite mountain]

I think you could add terminal and centre as a name for road stops and train stations. Like for example, (city name/street name) Bus Terminal, (city name) Goods Terminal, (city name/street name) Transit Centre, etc.

[strange quiver]

I might save those for an American version, as they don't really feel super Australian tbh

[turbid bronze]

request: please put 'ragin' in as a tag on your grfs in banananananas so I can find them easier 😛

[strange quiver]

sure, I'll do that now lmao

[turbid bronze]

especially when you rename your sets 😛

[strange quiver]

where do I even add tags?

I thought it was a feature but I might be missing it

[turbid bronze]

Ugh

It refers to tags in game but in bananas its just regions

And you can't do searches in the web browser version

and search nolonger searches through descriptions

[strange quiver]

oh rip?

[turbid bronze]

BUT, the filter inside the grf menu does search descriptions!

what a pain in the ass to use

[strange quiver]

well I include my username and real name in all my GRF descriptions

so it works in that regard

[turbid bronze]

Yeah

[strange quiver]

hey, I'm going to test something

someone name a north american locomotive, preferably a passenger unit with a cowl body

[steep echo]

Cowl body?

[severe elbow]

F40PH

[strange quiver]

a body that covers the locomotive, basically what every european locomotive is

[strange quiver]

easy, I was doing that one anyway

[finite mountain]

F59PH

It's my favourite EMD/GMDD locomotives

Other than the F40C

[strange quiver]

Might do them in the coming days

I wanna practice drawing again, and experiment with some new ideas

Just gotta re learn how to draw because I'm using a fresh gimp install and they changed some of the controls 😦

[haughty pollen]

Oh yeah that GIMP change is annoying

luckily it's customisable so you can mostly put it back to how it was

[strange quiver]

Yh, but I just need to find out how

The preferences section is a maze

[strange quiver]

experimenting with less noisy graphics, and shameless ripping off some of @signal gate s early Moose sprites

I think it looks good so far, it's just difficult getting the scale/shading right

also F40PHs are stupidly tall, they're 300mm taller than a Tangara train lmao

[signal gate]

height for NA stuff is an open question

[frosty sand]

Yeah, climbing down from an F40 cab (really any cab unit) feels like you’re descending a cliff

[strange quiver]

I'm just gonna do them the same height as a DD in my australian stuff

that way they tower over single level cars like they do IRL

[signal gate]

I had same idea

at TTD scale, it's closer to the bi-level car than the single-level

this could also work

[steep echo]

https://tenor.com/view/gta-gta-sa-grand-theft-auto-grand-theft-auto-san-andreas-gta-one-liners-gif-17462020

[strange quiver]

tbf I was literally basing my work on that test sprite sheet you did

I've been shamelessly stealing your ideas for years now 🙂

[turbid bronze]

Ragin delivering us Moose before Andy does… smdh.

[turbid bronze]

yes it could, hurry up.

[strange quiver]

if he's not using his ideas, I will

[turbid bronze]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

kinda energy

[upper crown]

This is fantastic

[strange quiver]

been tweaking this F40PH again and I feel a bit meh about the cab?

idk, it's hard to try and get right

I think this works but aaa

[finite mountain]

Yeah it looks good

[strange quiver]

yeah

seems fine, but also aaaaaaa

I'm still getting back into the swing of things and I'm probably overthinking it

tbh that's the worst part of making stuff, you always end up looking at what you've made and thinking you could do better but often you're unable to be better

aaa

[finite mountain]

I think the only touch you could make is adding a small rear platform to the sprites

Although it is a small detail so you don't have to

[strange quiver]

yeah, I was kind of divided on that

I'm not gonna do it for the F40 since it's not as noticeable as on other locomotives

but on stuff like the SDP40F, where it is larger, I'll include it

[finite mountain]

Yeah that makes sense

Besides, there are some F40PHs that don't have a back platform

[strange quiver]

yeah, and that's why I don't wanna do it too

[strange quiver]

okay it kinda looks good in game

but yh, the plan is to have the IRL liveries, but the top level livery isn't going to be just CC1, or a demonstrator, it's going to be a generic "usable" livery

so for the F40 I stole this once from Bsquicklehausens City Skylines asset

[finite mountain]

Will you still make a demonstrator livery?

[strange quiver]

nah, it's easier to do a generic "usable" one since that'd be better gameplay wise

[strange quiver]

works well so far

I'm going out of my way to try and make liveries as universal as possible

I think as a base, it allows the player to do a lot of different railroad liveries, while not being too overwhelming

[strange quiver]

touching up the FL9, and I'm trying to make the third rail equipment more obvious

[strange quiver]

much better bulldog nose now too

[severe elbow]

Love the FL9

[mental musk]

connect 2nd cab and you will have EP-5!

[severe elbow]

No, they are quite different

[mental musk]

true, but in the pixel form the only thig that would differ (in this resolution) is the top of the nose in the sideview

[severe elbow]

Still a completely different design altogether

[red stump]

Maybe slightly more of angle on the nose? It seems to look right in game though to me

F40 is a bit of a brick so hard to differentiate in game but the screenshots you posted seem to nail it

[vestal minnow]

Will you also add a via or go transit livery?

[strange quiver]

true, I could do that at some point

[strange quiver]

yeah, I tried that, but it's hard to do

either way, I've done the liveries now lmao, so I'll have to leave it

[strange quiver]

oh yh, they're on my list, I just got tired and wanted to work on something else

I can do them this morning

also, I changed how the livery table works (it's under the modern locomotives tab)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ARb0h0whRNbf8zt6wdXY-O1Pa2zIgEjDsbNkuVG6VGE/edit?usp=sharing

there's 5 livery groups, base (the top level one that will be somewhat unique to each locomotive), generic (usable generic-ish liveries that all locomotives will get), long distance (Amtrak/Via liveries that generally only passenger locomotives will have), and special (stuff that is common, but doesn't fit in other categories, ie Santa Fe, NJT, Metra liveries etc)

but I do have 3 special livery slots left if anyone has any suggestions, they need to represent either a major railway, or something that is generic enough that a play could reasonably use it for something else too

[strange quiver]

additional generic, and via liveries done :3

[finite mountain]

Just wondering, are you gonna make the VIA rail F40PH's with the rebuilt back end?

[strange quiver]

no, there's just not enough of a difference to warrant including it

[earnest meadow]

british rail F40PH

[strange quiver]

BR if it were cool

god the FL9 is cool looking

I really need to do more new haven coaches to go with it lmao

[strange quiver]

FL9s done

UP and SP FL9s are kinda cursed lmao

[frosty sand]

The headlight looks wrong to me, have you tried moving it one pixel to the left?

(Diagonal view)

[strange quiver]

damn, you're right

I'll update them now, it looks better with it slightly to the left

[strange quiver]

much better

[vestal minnow]

An alternative history where they retained passenger services

My favourite part of your sets is the ability to recreate alternative scenarios

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's the main thing I do it for lmao

I love my cursed trains

[haughty pollen]

These are awesome, so much better than the 2CC set FL9

[strange quiver]

thanks, and it's better than my original one lmao

also it has support for 3rd rail, so it gets a slight power boost on third rail trackage

[haughty pollen]

I might have mentioned this before, but I did the power boost thing for a long-lost 2cc third rail addon

[strange quiver]

oooh? there was a 2cc third rail adddon?

I don't recall

[mental musk]

i spy Montana Rail Link and Burlington-Northern!

[haughty pollen]

It was never released and I lost the code long ago 🥲

[strange quiver]

aw rip

[strange quiver]

end platform, yay or nay?

this is for the SDP40F btw

[strange quiver]

I think without the platform works well

easiest part aboit the SDP40F is that it's basically just a 6 axle, longer version of the F40

so it takes like no time to do lmao

[strange quiver]

SDP40F base livery done, still have all the other liveries to do, but that's tomorrow nights problem

[turbid bronze]

Looking good!

[strange quiver]

thanks!

I'm really happy with this more horse-like style

[frosty sand]

Oh hell yeah

[turbid bronze]

Yeah I think you've really nailed it. Your roofs in particular are hitting the right sweet spot of detail as well

[frosty sand]

This looks great

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'm still very iffy with it, but I've been getting better imo

[turbid bronze]

When you first dropped the blanket noise approach I felt like the roofs of your engines and wagons had gotten very flat and grey, but those two have nailed it.

But no, good work, I like seeing your style and skills evolve in real time

[strange quiver]

yeah, that was one of my issues too

[steep echo]

these are excellent sprites yeah

[strange quiver]

tbh, I think the noise approach works for roofs, since they tend to be a bit more messy

I tried it when I did the Harris's and I think it looked great

I'm still really happy with these

but I'll continue to experiment, still iffy with doing roofs, but that comes with time lmao

[steep echo]

yeah noise can work

it probably makes things easier to look good

the sbb set uses noise to do that

the actual vehicles lack a lot of detail outside of noise

[strange quiver]

yeah, it can work, it just depends how you do it

now I'm in a better middle ground, I think

[mental musk]

something japanese?

[strange quiver]

nah, the refurbished Harris trains from Melbourne

[mental musk]

really really nice!

[vestal minnow]

An alternate history where rail electrification in North America was more widespread

[steep echo]

its giving br class 37

[strange quiver]

Yeah

I really need to redo the JF6C

[finite mountain]

That reminds me. I remember a while back posting some images of these GF6C's

[strange quiver]

Yee, when I do them they'll have those liveries

[strange quiver]

SDP40F done :3

[severe elbow]

Should put everything in rock island

[strange quiver]

well you probably could

[signal gate]

Moose Baby

[strange quiver]

get on the moose andy

you know you want to 🙂

[frosty sand]

When are you planning your next release? I'm playing in a multiplayer game that's about to restart, and we'd love to have your latest work to play with. 🙂

(We're also using NARS and wagons-only Iron Horse)

[strange quiver]

pretty much whenever, I've got list of IDs done, so future updates won't break

but I'll only post it on Bananas when I have a decent selection of locomotives done

or when I get bored/run out of time

I have to work on my thesis soon 🙁

[strange quiver]

trying to do the F40C, and it should be easy since it's very similar to the SDP40F

just the vents on the site are weird

[mint cargo]

You could make the GF6C original cab design, that virtually same as F40PH Cab

[vestal minnow]

Only ordered by bc rail to serve coal mines in the northeast part of the province

However they were all withdrawn prematurely by 2000 when a drop in coal prices no longer made the mines profitable

[mental musk]

what an pitty that thay werent sold to other line...

such nice locos

[severe elbow]

i doubt anyone else wanted them

[mental musk]

is there (still) another 50kV AC line in USA or Canada?

If I recall correctly there was an version (or conversion?) of E60 for 50kV

most electric railways left in US are 25kV?

[severe elbow]

https://openrailwaymap.org/ have a look yourself

[limber blade]

Ooooooooo

[vestal minnow]

All but one scrapped

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GMD_GF6C

[mental musk]

still nice that thay have saved one of tham

[strange quiver]

Yee, I plan on just refusing it

[strange quiver]

Hey, I know you :333

[finite mountain]

What about the fictional VIA Rail liveries?

[strange quiver]

Yee, I can do them, I'm just lazy

[strange quiver]

Dumb idea, F39PH-DM, give an F40PH the FL9 treatment and cut it down

Then I'll have a 1970s era dual mode locomotive

And I guess I'll give it the 12-645 turbocharged engine from the 39 series locomotives

[frosty sand]

Cut it down? The FL9 is longer than an F unit. 🙂

L = lengthened frame

This allowed it to have a three-axle truck on the rear to spread out the weight on the Park Avenue viaduct going into Grand Central Terminal

If you want a 1970s-era equivalent, you could use the FL9. In the 80s, they used the FL9. In the 90s, they used the FL9 and finally replaced it with the P32 😛

But I see what you mean, following the SD39 and putting three-axle trucks on a standard length frame. Wouldn't that be an SDP39F-DM, though?

[strange quiver]

I mean in terms of height, so instead of 4.7m tall it'd be ~4.4m

[strange quiver]

Well I was thinking of it just being a shorter F40 with the GP39 engine

So then it'd get the F39 resignation

Also nothing else uses that, so it'd be cool :3

[finite mountain]

Here's a new idea. Not sure if it's on your list but would love to see the GP40TC added to the set

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but I'm also thinking about a player who wants a new locomotive in the 70s/80s

[strange quiver]

It's on the list :3

[finite mountain]

Cool. Definitely would make a nice addition

Considering it's the first HEP equipped locomotive built

[strange quiver]

Yee, Although HEP isn't something I'm going to simulate

[strange quiver]

early mockup, bit it kinda goes hard

[strange quiver]

went and looked back at some of my old sprites and holy shit these are bad

I can't believe I used to think these were good 🙁

[signal gate]

moment

[strange quiver]

was quite worried the F40C would look bad, but in game it looks fine lmao

gonna touch up the liveries now

I'm also gonna start touching up the passenger cars in a bit, because those Gallery cars need to be redone 🫠

[strange quiver]

Also the original F40C livery looks pretty good in game

[strange quiver]

F40C liveries done

[severe elbow]

Rail infrastructure?

[strange quiver]

JP+ Tracks

[severe elbow]

https://www.flickr.com/photos/dwbphotos/29555167706

As in the livery

[strange quiver]

oh, nah, it's meant to be more the UP livery

[haughty pollen]

Damn, I had no idea there was a class 31 in UP livery lol

[severe elbow]

I learnt of 31116 before UP

so I default to 31116

[strange quiver]

As a treat, here's the GMD GF6C

I should be working on my uni work, but I got fed up so you get this instead

[wind valley]

I know that procrastination feeling

[strange quiver]

I don't wanna do my uni work 🙁

[woeful halo]

Relatable

[strange quiver]

GF6CH base sprite done

gonna go ahead and do the other liveries now

and the other GF6C liveries

[strange quiver]

GF6CH done :3

[vestal minnow]

What does the H stand for?

[strange quiver]

Head End Power

it's to differentiate it from the freight GMD GF6C

Irl if these were built, they probably would have been known as just GF6Cs

[strange quiver]

GF6C liveries done :3

[signal gate]

Have you worked out vehicle progression (speed bands and eras)?

[strange quiver]

not too much, I just use IRL stats and then go from there

if it gets to a point where something feels off, I'll change it up

[mental musk]

isn't the H versions nose 1 pixel longer?

and, if the goodstrain version is GF6C why not name the passenger version GP6C or GFP6C (as FP7)

[strange quiver]

that's one of the changes

[strange quiver]

because the designation IRL would have been likely just GF6C, and using GF6CH differentiates it, but is still similar

also GFP/GP would designate it as having steam heating, which it wouldn't have had

[mental musk]

I am not an expert on thair designations

so in EMD P means stem heating and H means electric heating?

[strange quiver]

pretty much

historically P just meant passenger, but they needed a way to differentiate locomotives with steam heating and HEP, so it was then used to designate steam heating

some locomotives still got the P designation, despite not having steam heating though e.g. F40PH & F59PH

[mental musk]

oh, no... inconsistant designations... send help...

[strange quiver]

EMD locomotive designations were like that

the AN AN class has only a single cab, but got the JT46C, despite that designation meaning a locomotive with two cabs

[strange quiver]

Pullman gallery cars done :3

these look a lot better than I expected...

[haughty pollen]

Looks like the stripe is the wrong height here

but yeah, these are awesome, if only we had native push-pull 😛

[strange quiver]

bugger, you're right, I'll fix that now

[strange quiver]

yeah, gotta pester one of the devs to allow it :3

[steep echo]

Yes

Please

[mental musk]

in the diagonal view the loco with the black-orange set looks a lot like EF4... (Joe)

[strange quiver]

It's not, it's a GF6CH

[mental musk]

i know

it is just hard to convay shapes in such small resolution

[strange quiver]

I suppose, but mostly on this specific angle since you can't see the nose

[dim pulsar]

very

I used to start coursework on the morning of the deadline afternoon

[severe elbow]

ROCK ISLAND 🔥 🔥

seeing youve done the GF6 now, perhaps an E60?

[severe elbow]

and if you ever do the bullnoses, we need the rock island special

[strange quiver]

I can't do that, I'd die 🙁

[strange quiver]

Yee, I'll look into it

[strange quiver]

Dw, they're on the list :3

[severe elbow]

Yay

[mental musk]

now just an little question...
WHY it does have only one cab?

With 2 would be an nice general-purporse loco for lines where one loco is enough and You need to run around train

[haughty pollen]

It's single cab like almost all American diesels, plus the gallery cars have cab cars so it's push-pull

but yeah I'll be happy to see those oddballs in the game

[mental musk]

It is an really interesting cultural thing that some things just simply do not get accepted in certain countries while being great for certain applications

Like more than 2 door/side of commuter MU car in Poland
Or 2 cab diesels in US

[severe elbow]

2 cabs is more expensive

USA railroads try to be cheap

[haughty pollen]

Here's a rare USA double ended diesel https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DR-6

[strange quiver]

There's also stuff like the aem7 and HHP8

So there's a few, they're just not as common

[haughty pollen]

Double ended electrics are pretty common, but I was thinking of diesels specifically which are much harder to find

I guess this doesn't count as it's a centrecab https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baldwin_DT-6-6-2000

[strange quiver]

true

I can't really think of any double ended diesels apart from that weird baldwin you sent

[mental musk]

Electrics... E60 whan?

[strange quiver]

When I feel like doing them

I do wanna sus out the double ended electric locomotive code first tho

[strange quiver]

🤔

idk how I feel about this

trying to do an EMC E1

[haughty pollen]

Needs a longer nose so it doesn't look like a wedge

or an AN class

[strange quiver]

yeah, it's just hard to do

[haughty pollen]

Did you look at the NARS one?

[strange quiver]

and I've been looking at the original NARS sprite to see how Pikka did it

[frosty sand]

The curve in the nose profile should be higher up, above the headlight

[strange quiver]

something like this?

[haughty pollen]

Better 🙂

[strange quiver]

agreed

now to do the other angles 🙁

does this nose work?

looks fine when detailed

[vestal minnow]

https://youtu.be/8gBtbVM-gjA?si=9-76iQcqFzAJy0lL

[strange quiver]

I saw that!

[vestal minnow]

This reminded me of your sets

[strange quiver]

I really wanna do the Amtrak livery for the ice trains lmao

[vestal minnow]

Yes

If only North America had trains like this

I think I saw a video of an ice trainset sent to the US for testing?

[severe elbow]

i love the amtrak 0 series lmao

[vestal minnow]

https://youtu.be/2wzvxhLpaC0?si=-JvP4XdRUeGeTbzg

[strange quiver]

Yee, and the X2000 too

But then they went with the tgv lmao

[severe elbow]

well technically yes

also X995 and X996

X996 <3

[vestal minnow]

Acela is based on the tgv?

[strange quiver]

Yh, but they at least bought one of them in the end

[strange quiver]

Yee

[severe elbow]

yea

[strange quiver]

Gonna do an Americanised version of the french one tho

For funsies

[finite mountain]

This one?

[strange quiver]

That already exists, its the avelia liberty

X995 was a SNCF locomotive used for testing, but they chose the SJ RC4 (X996) to develop into the AEM-7

[finite mountain]

Oh yeah. I remember hearing about that

[strange quiver]

Yeeee :3

[finite mountain]

Sorry I thought you were talking about making an American version of the TGV

[strange quiver]

All good

Thats just the acela express and avelia liberty anyway lmao

[strange quiver]

🤔

I don't have a coach that can work with these, so it's a bunch of Comeng interurban coaches lmao

kinda wish there was a way to do the yellow lining on the EAs, but it's not super doable at this scale

[strange quiver]

looks better with the white, but now it's time for the other liveries

now I've got a cab that I like, I can run through the other E units, and then I'll do the F units

[frosty sand]

The EA is cool

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙁

shame we never got anything like that here

also that FP10 in the back is cool looking too

the late era F unit transit locomotives go hard

[frosty sand]

Yeah, it was just a HEP generator and cab car at the end

[strange quiver]

oh? so basically just a power van?

[frosty sand]

And also a driving cab, for push-pull ops

[strange quiver]

ooooh, neat

[frosty sand]

LIRR did something similar with old FAs

[strange quiver]

oh?

[turbid bronze]

Ah, standardising against horse alignments then?

[strange quiver]

Conrail colours kinda go hard too lmao

[strange quiver]

yee, I did it ages ago

[turbid bronze]

ABA goes hard too

[strange quiver]

yeah

[turbid bronze]

Nice. Probably better long term considering where you’ve gone stylistically as well.

Can use horse wagon only mode to fill in the roster too.

[strange quiver]

yee, that's the idea

also means if Andy does moose, it saves me having to focus on freight wagons

[turbid bronze]

Nice

[strange quiver]

Liveries done

they don't work as well with the "generic" liveries, since they're all semi modern, but they still look good

[mental musk]

I know that some Funits were converted to generator and driver cab vans but I have another question

What have thay done to the buffer beam?

to the no. 7100 on this photo

[severe elbow]

Well, give it buffers

[mental musk]

most of these had it like this

i am 99% sure that this had to be modified

or maybe it is just an rare version?

[severe elbow]

Ig it’s just for ease as it’s a local passenger loco

[mental musk]

I don't get it

easier to the couplar operator to ride the front of the loco whan it drives to the coach to couple it?

[severe elbow]

It’s an American thing I wouldn’t expect us Europeans to understand it

[strange quiver]

one more before bed, but more GF6CH liveries uwu

the MBTA would be so much cooler with electric locomotives

[mental musk]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/EMD_AEM-7_MARC_4902_at_Union_Station.jpg/1024px-EMD_AEM-7_MARC_4902_at_Union_Station.jpg

These looked pretty sweet in MARC livery

[finite mountain]

Would love to see Caltrain liveries for the GF6CH

For like an alternate timeline where Caltrain electrification was done in the 80s

[strange quiver]

Its on the list

[strange quiver]

You can already do the 2nd one

Its the same livery as BN/Montana rail link, just colour swapped

[strange quiver]

It's one of the ones here if you wanna see what it looks like

[finite mountain]

Oh. I didn't notice that one

[strange quiver]

All good

I'm trying to make liveries that are as universal as possible, since thats better for gameplay

[strange quiver]

I fucking put the NJ transit slant thing the wrong way around

it leans to the left >:/

also, decided to use the old NARS E7 livery for my E7s Liv0

I think I'll do this for a few, since it's a nice homage to it

also did the EMC E3, but like the E7, I've only done Liv0

gonna try and sort the balancing a bit before committing

[mental musk]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSHDu6Ksipg5VmsfgJIk3ZmE1QmiE8oqkiTA&s

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/train-concepts-that-were-never-built/images/7/73/97557004_231733621585053_7444221885056811008_n.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20230731081346

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJvwtubgE9JyO7G4gJnk6Ep1pY3zgrPZS7yw&s

Unbuild EMDs

Tpes AMT-125 and F-125

As the name suggests, these wre high speed locos for opeartion at about 200km/h. The first one was ment to wirk in twin sets (1 loco at tech rake end) with passenger trains, the 2nd one was likely ment to be an universal loco

[dim pulsar]

I like it

[strange quiver]

Yee! Both are currently on my list

[finite mountain]

I wonder if the AMT-125 was inspired by the InterCity 125 for the name

[strange quiver]

🤔

I really need some passenger coaches to go with these lmao

[vestal minnow]

https://www.ddinstagram.com/p/DM-ZIxZxgZK/

steve_barry_photography (@steve_barry_photography)

Amtrak
Wilmington, Delaware
November 1993
A German InterCity Express train testing on Amtrak heads south out the Wilmington station. Amtrak tested the ICE in preparation for the development of the Acela trainsets.

InstaFix

German ICE train set seen in Wilmington, Delaware back in 1993

Looking forward to recreating an alternate history with more ice trainsets through your set

Or tgv

[strange quiver]

yee, I do wanna do the ICE trains soon-ish

I just wanna get through more common stuff first tho

[mental musk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJGud2y0P60

Wait an moment

these were tested outside of germany?

[haughty pollen]

Yeah there were a couple in Australia, not sure if they're still around

[strange quiver]

or at the very least, they've not been seen on the mainline in years

[haughty pollen]

Technically the UK uses them as well except it's for maintenance and not freight

I even started drawing this version for the 2cc set but never finished

[mental musk]

Yeah, I am aware of the MOW service in UK

Some (de-motorised?) were used as push-pull sets with electric locos in Switzerland

[strange quiver]

Touching up the Metropolitans atm, and I think it's an improvement

Maybe needs more on the side for the LIRR livery tho

[strange quiver]

I think they look good

surprisingly, these needs very little work to get them looking good

also idk what I fucked up with the code, but for some reason save games now that I've redone these don't load if this grf was used?

works fine in a new game, but I've clearly broken something and I'm not sure lmao

[mental musk]

I wonder if You can re-use some parts of the sprite from the OHEL version for an SPV2000?

[strange quiver]

well I can just re-use parts of the Amfleet for that

[mental musk]

I mean the superstructure on the roof

[strange quiver]

oh, yh, I could probably modify it

[signal gate]

Last seen used for shunting at private terminal, I read

The Horse cargo sprinter is there if anyone wants it, although it’s a windhoff euro mpv not the australian one

[strange quiver]

I could always steal it, but I also don't feel like it'd suit anything I'd make

could always just chuck it in with freight wagons when I do them

[severe elbow]

loads still operate in the uk

and have done for over 20 years now

[mental musk]

https://www.thedieselshop.us/emd f59ph 1993.jpg

[severe elbow]

an entirely chrome loco?

mind you...

[finite mountain]

Looks like a more streamlined F59PHI

[strange quiver]

Where's that from?

[mental musk]

from here

https://www.thedieselshop.us/EMD_Art.HTML

[strange quiver]

oh damn

[mental musk]

This website is an great

Too bad that it is VERY chaotic and it is extraordinarly difficult to go to other subpages

[strange quiver]

yee, I use it for working out where to put the greebles and stuff

[mental musk]

https://streamlinermemories.info/Mfrs/GMKnickerbockerLoco.jpg

https://streamlinermemories.info/Mfrs/GM35MeyerLoco.jpg

https://www.thedieselshop.us/Artwork-NZullo.jpg

I have noticed that on the concept illustrations and on demonstrators the number boards often display the YEAR

[strange quiver]

yee, emd did that a bit

[strange quiver]

also I've not seen that art before

it's an early concept of the AEM-7, but it's interesting that there's mountains in the background?

maybe it's from a proposed electrification project through the rockies? I know they were considering that at the time

[mental musk]

Apallahians?

I know that some lines through appallhians were electrified at some point

MAYBE some lasted till 70s?
Or at least the poles, so new wires and transformers could have been build

[strange quiver]

appalachia

yh, some were electrified, but they were taken down fairly quickly

also there's not much snow in appalachia, the mountains just aren't tall enough

[strange quiver]

this is too green to be the rockies, so it might be the cascades?

[mental musk]

Thay recon that till today, at least in one tunnel which is long and on an steep incline...

Diesel fumes...

[strange quiver]

well yh, diesel fumes aren't great...

[turbid bronze]

waddaya mean diesel fumes are yummy and haven never hurt nobody

🤪

[signal gate]

Those look quite diffusion generated

Although not enough errors

[strange quiver]

I inhaled diesel fumes since birth and I turned out fine

[strange quiver]

they do a little bit tbh

[mental musk]

likely you live in an place with no tunnels

[turbid bronze]

nah there's some pretty big tunnels under my feet about 200m away

they keep confusing google maps

I avoid those tunnels though, they cost money

also what is sarcasm

[strange quiver]

Kinda goes hard

[strange quiver]

was curious, but the F40PH makes the NSW 45 class look tiny

[severe elbow]

45/48 classes are tiny anyway tbf

[strange quiver]

yee, I know

that's why I wanted to compare them :3

[strange quiver]

also, update, but genesis hard

I feel like this is gonna be one that looks boring, until it's in game, then it looks great

[dim pulsar]

cold war period train designs were so... "experimentally pioneering"

[strange quiver]

The genesis was built after the fall of the soviet union tho 🙁

[mental musk]

front schould be less slopy, more vertical

[strange quiver]

The genesis is annoyingly hard >:/

Caesar Vegara you asshole making the hardest possible train to draw

[crystal crag]

Clearly you should just draw them in finescale instead, you lose enough detail to where the big picture stops mattering :D

[strange quiver]

haha, nice try 🙂

[crystal crag]

:3

I do have more locos I want stuff for when I get to making a tracking table I can work with, it's pain. Maybe I'll need to throw some money at some people to draw me pretty finescale trains

[strange quiver]

probably a good idea

but idk there's that many people experienced in drawing finescale?

[crystal crag]

Probably aren't, no

[mental musk]

i like the middle (front) view

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[mental musk]

the fiagonal looks nice too

[strange quiver]

could always learn

drawing lets you make the weird cursed ideas that randomly pop into your head

[crystal crag]

I can bodge together sideviews

[mental musk]

same 3d modeling

[crystal crag]

Just not diagonals

Nor unique shapes, really

[strange quiver]

it takes practice, but you get it eventually

I normally just look at what other people have done and try to bodge it though 🙂

[crystal crag]

It's bodging all the way down

I should first just concern myself with like, getting my actual sheets in order

Trying to figure out a good way to track all the data is pain

Especially in a way that's then easily fed to a program I write

[strange quiver]

yh, that can really help

but legit just have a play around with bodging sprites together

worst case, you can alyways ask for help

I'm always around lmao

[crystal crag]

The main problem is that i need like, 3 tabs. One for the actual vehicles, one for their variants, and then something for livery per variant

Easy enough to write down just not in a way that's like. Clear

[strange quiver]

yeah....

that I can't help with too much tbh

with my working document, I just list variants that I might want to do and reserve the ids for them

and then save the hard work for later

[crystal crag]

ye, that's valid

I like automating things

[strange quiver]

and I'm the opposite :333

although more because I don't know how to lmao

also, tangent, but it's annoying how all the genesis locomotives are identical, except for the ass

P32 has a hustlers window and nothing else, P40 has a hustlers window and rear door, but the P42 only has the rear door

[haughty pollen]

Huh I never knew that

[strange quiver]

this is the kind of dumb detail I go into lmao

P32Cs getting a rear door though, because no one will see it, and it makes doing the sprite easier 🙂

[haughty pollen]

They should have made it a full cab like the 44 class

[strange quiver]

ooooooooh

that's a cool, but cursed idea...

[crystal crag]

Time to bodge

[strange quiver]

maybe for a fictional set at some point

but the ungodly child of a 44 class and a genesis is something I wanna do...

[crystal crag]

I need to split off my fictional trains into their own set at one point

Speaking of fictional, double-headed F units?

[strange quiver]

as in two cabs?

[crystal crag]

A units, B units and AA units

[crystal crag]

Exactly

[strange quiver]

that's just a VR B class

[crystal crag]

nods

What about a B unit with flat cabs

[strange quiver]

funnily enough, when the Clyde put the details of these into EMD, the guys at EMD basically responded with "WTF do you need two cabs for?", and were hesitant to let them do it

[crystal crag]

I remember when I used to play Trainz when I was small I used to put a B unit in between two passenger wagons to make a DMUnkind of things

[strange quiver]

well, you could just modify a 421 class

[steep echo]

Nohab my beloved

[strange quiver]

no, it's a Clyde model

Australian built

I think this works?

I'll do the final angle and get the subvariant specific details done

[haughty pollen]

Diagonal view needs a smaller windscreen I think

[strange quiver]

it does, but I tried it and nothing worked

I'll give it another go in a sec tho

okay that works I think

[steep echo]

nah, totally nohab

[strange quiver]

:/

[strange quiver]

little iffy about the base liveries, but I think with a little tweaking these should be good

[mental musk]

these with the window had an full fledged control panel at the end?

[strange quiver]

only for yard movements/shunting, but yes

[mental musk]

i dont get it

If thay want to mount an 2nd control panel it schould be full-fledged

in order to make an loco that can run on the mainline 2 ways

[strange quiver]

that's just not american design practice

[severe elbow]

Are the metro north 32s not different?

[strange quiver]

they are, they're dual modes

they just for some reason ordered them with the hustlers cab

[frosty sand]

The P32s have a different exhaust/fan arrangement on the roof, and of course third-rail shoes and different innards

[strange quiver]

oh? how does that look? I couldn't find any good examples

ah, it's a larger radiator on the rear seemingly, as opposed to just a single fan

[finite mountain]

Here's another image of the roof

[strange quiver]

there we go

I'll fix that up tomorrow night then

for universality, I might just make it black, then I can just layer it on top when exporting the sprites...

[severe elbow]

I swear all p32s are?

[frosty sand]

All the P32s are dual mode, yes. Amtrak and Metro North both have them.

I believe the only difference between Amtrak and Metro North P32s is that MN has them delivered with nose escape hatches for use in the tunnel to Grand Central, while Amtrak had to cut holes and add them later so they could detour trains into Grand Central during construction.

[strange quiver]

🤔

this works

[haughty pollen]

Looking good!

[frosty sand]

Missing third rail shoes on the rear truck, side view 🙂

Looks great otherwise!

Are you doing the heritage liveries?

[severe elbow]

New haven p32 ❤️

[strange quiver]

:/

[strange quiver]

Yee, it'll get all the liveries in my table

So it'll have the old Amtrak liveries and the like

[frosty sand]

Oh, I mean the Metro-North heritage liveries 😄

https://www.mta.info/press-release/photos-metro-north-railroad-unveils-seventh-locomotive-heritage-series
Links to the others in the text of this article

MTA Central, New Haven (green), Penn Central, NYC, Conrail, Metro North (beachball), and of course New Haven (McGinnis/Matter)

In my opinion it's the nicest heritage fleet any US railroad has ever done

[strange quiver]

Oooh, unlikely

[mental musk]

This looks better than it schould

sweeeeeeet

[strange quiver]

I only have 50 ids per locomotive and I wanna try and keep everything universal

[frosty sand]

Fair enough 🙂

[strange quiver]

I could include them in my 5 spare ids tho...

Just depends we'll see

[mental musk]

i always find funny that on hertige units thay place the names of carriers that do not exist from loooong time

Placing THAIR own name, together with paint scheme of an predecessor would be more logical

Do thay have the rights to the names of thair predecessors?

[frosty sand]

If you have to pick one, I think all four of the ConnDOT locos wear the Herbert Matter livery

[severe elbow]

i love that new haven livery

[steep echo]

temu nmbs hld 55

[strange quiver]

Yh, but thaf livery is already on my list

So every locomotive gets it :3

[strange quiver]

random question, should this locomotive from Cities Skylines (that's clearly based on the PL42AC), be a electro diesel, or just an electric locomotive?

[severe elbow]

Would bi mode be overpowered in your set

[strange quiver]

well no, I already have 3 of them

I generally just give them less power on diesel, but more on electric

[severe elbow]

I’d say that’s bi mode

[haughty pollen]

I always saw it as an electro diesel because pure electrics are generally double ended

[strange quiver]

yeah, true

I'll make it an electro-diesel

might step it down to the 12-710 engine, so it'd go from 4200hp to 3200-3400 on diesel

but maybe 5000 or so on electric?

I like to imagine it'd work as a primarily electric locomotive that works along the NEC, but then does last mile on diesel

Actually the APL-45DP is 3600hp on diesel and 6000hp on electric

[strange quiver]

could make this basically a slightly less powerful, but cheaper alternative, since it'd be the same era

[mental musk]

seems to be clearly based on these that are operated by NJT

https://www.thedieselshop.us/njt 4009-CMaxim.jpg

[strange quiver]

I know

[mental musk]

I say Bi-mode too

generally 1 cab cabunit/cowl unit/boxcab electrics are rare and whan thay exist thay tend to operate in fixed sets of 2 locos

[severe elbow]

Yes this has already been explained

[strange quiver]

tbh they're pretty easy since you just cross breed a Genesis with an F40

actually, I don't think anyones done one of these before?

[strange quiver]

made it taller with a solid frame and I think it looks great so far

but the front view looks like it has anxiety

that face looks like it'd break down and cry if it was late

[frosty sand]

Face looks fine to me, honestly

[strange quiver]

it does to me too, but I think it just looks funny

[crystal crag]

A friend of mine once told me that they think trains have funny faces, so I think it's fitting. Take a look at the Deltic's face

[strange quiver]

that's a very anxious looking engine

[crystal crag]

Mouth slightly open, wide eyed stare

[strange quiver]

yeah

I wonder if there are any angry looking trains

I think most either look anxious, or neutral

[haughty pollen]

ACS-64 has angry eyes

[strange quiver]

it really does

Maybe that's why the PL42 looks so upset

[severe elbow]

Most modern vehicles do

[signal gate]

Is this “autistic males learn emotions from train faces”? 🫠

“Thomas is feeling sad. Look at his eyes”

[strange quiver]

no comment

[signal gate]

There’s a test with pictures of human faces and multiple choice answers for “which emotion is this?”

I had non-standard scores

[strange quiver]

got bad news for you then 🙁

they did the autism tests on me as a kid, but they said I wasn't

anyway, here's the PL42 done

not super happy with the livery? but I'll tweak it more

[signal gate]

I didn’t have autistic scores

Nor neurotypical

[strange quiver]

fair enough then

idk what mine were lmao

[strange quiver]

also, changed the silver and I think this looks better

matches the texture of the locomotives better

[untold viper]

VHS Locomotive

[wind valley]

if we had 3cc this would be a good use case (the njt stripe)
but alas we're limited to 2cc

[haughty pollen]

You can always fudge it and use a dark and light shade of the same CC

that's what I did for the 2CC version of the Cassiopeia

real livery for reference

[strange quiver]

Yeah :/

[strange quiver]

I could test that out

I guess if I do CC1 darker that might be more accurate?

[strange quiver]

I suppose it works?

[strange quiver]

also, touched up the multilevels to match the new template and with darker windows

[turbid bronze]

Looks good!

[strange quiver]

Thanks!

[mental musk]

Nice

I do not know why, but it gives me NUTS vibes...

[strange quiver]

just messing around, but MARC Genesis's and Metropolitans go hard

I should really sus out how I wanna do my pantograph code for single unit locomotives tbh

[strange quiver]

trying the E60, and it looks british >:/

[turbid bronze]

eh looks too brick-ish to be british

You've given it more of the appearance of hard edges

brit more round

[strange quiver]

true

maybe just because it's blue

it's just a struggle to detail it because IRL the E60Cs were so flat

[turbid bronze]

I don't think it looks too bad, I'd need to see it in-game though

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'll finish it up and we'll see

the Genesis's were pretty flat too, and they look fine in game

sufficiently brick enough?

[turbid bronze]

Roof looks too round now I guess?

[strange quiver]

I suppose

[turbid bronze]

maybe drop a shade in that transition from each side? make it look a bit sharper?

[strange quiver]

how so? I'm not sure I follow

[turbid bronze]

well in your shades from lightest to darkets

which create your contour

Your horizontal view has four shades, your vertical and diagonal views have more

[strange quiver]

this looks a little better

[turbid bronze]

this creates more appearance of a curve

[strange quiver]

this just makes it seem a little plain? is this sort of thing what you were thinking?

[turbid bronze]

Yeah that reads a bit better, I think once you get the pantographs etc. in it will look better.

[strange quiver]

yeah, and tbf it's currently missing a lot of the greebling

[turbid bronze]

Yeah

But you see what I mean that it makes it look a little less round

and thus less british

[strange quiver]

yeah, I think I just worry too much about not putting detail everywhere lmao

[turbid bronze]

Yeah, but that's how you got into the crunchy noise trap before

I think theres some power in being able to selectively and deliberately not add detail

[strange quiver]

yeah...

"omg add noise to literally everything, it looks good"

I was such an idiot lmao

[frosty sand]

I think it looks good without noise, the real thing has huge slab sides too

[strange quiver]

yeah, GE loves its bricks

[strange quiver]

also, code seems to work fine, the vehicle is randomly flipped when the player buys it, and the pantograph stays facing the right direction

based it of Andy's code for horse and it works really well

[strange quiver]

looks good in game

gonna save the liveries for the future

I think I've got a pretty decent selection of locomotives atm

I do wanna do some more freight locomotives though

[mental musk]

move the pantos 1 or 2 px left

[strange quiver]

I tried that, it didn't look good imo

[mental musk]

ok, just leave it as it is

AEM7 and it's variants now?

Or maybe ofhher vaariants of E60?

[dim pulsar]

Double deckers is civilisation.

[strange quiver]

more than likely

we'll see what I feel like

but I'm thinking of doing either the AEM-7 or HHP-8 next

[mental musk]

there was something similer to E40 but as end-cab hood unit and 4 axle

Operated in texas utilities

[mental musk]

from HHP-8 sprites you can doctor acela sprites

[strange quiver]

yee, there was a few one offs like that, and they're on the list, but they're not priorities atm

main goal is mostly just passenger stock atm

[strange quiver]

yee, exactly

[mental musk]

FL9? NH EP-5?

or maybe turboliners?

https://rapidotrains.com/media/images/25-Image1.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/02/Ann_Arbor_AMTK_May_1975_5-30.jpg

interestingly, some had (at least in the beginning) UIC-style drop-down windows

[strange quiver]

they're all on the list

and the FL9 has already been done

[mental musk]

wow, you are quick

[turbid bronze]

Looks good

[mental musk]

ideed

cant wait for update

[turbid bronze]

Doesn’t read as too rounded, looks suitably brick like.

[mental musk]

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/bVA-Yicg4dd9aIG_ZeY5DPyGIRifl4KkNQR6p2nYrXrCy89Ksdb8t-4NIACwmaXDZwOSMRBTn7wm31AznKDCze8MBs_D9QZzEuLL

drop down windows

Railfan's delight...

[red stump]

can't wait for the ragin sd40-2

[mental musk]

timeless classic. Musthave for an american set

[strange quiver]

I really do...

but in the meantime

swedish meatball

I think it looks good

[red stump]

ah one of my favorite meat a balls