Ragins Train Sets

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https://ilostan.forumkolejowe.pl/foto/30620.jpg

https://epoznan.pl/storage/gallery/20841/7b5ygt55vjc2qgh64gxvkb53f73jdcv3.jpg?1437648230

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it looks like it's going to eat something

[mental musk]

indeed!

It looks like an fish!

manufacturer calls ED161 Dart

Polish railroaders and railfans Karp (Carp)

https://www.thefisherman.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/2020-11-37-SPECIES_PROFILE-carp.jpg

[strange pivot]

haha thats a great name

[mental musk]

peaking about the couplar cover

it's just as with the streamlining of the lower fron undercarridge

EVERYTHING looks better with it

BR103 is an great example

https://rainbowrailways.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/pk37440.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/3936/15446919941_df344e316c_b.jpg

the lower plough/stramlined schield just completes the look

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an egg on wheels

[mental musk]

more like an glorious loaf of bread

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woo

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worlds fastest loaf?

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11000 and still no 1.0 version

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the bread is upside down, the jam is on the bottom

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thay got other colours too

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/67hQv-9tPx4/sddefault.jpg

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I don't think we have anything like it in aus

livery is kinda bland

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https://blog.modellbahnshop-lippe.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/Baureihe-103-233-3-Verkehrsrot-Roco.jpg

God, that windschield....

Like in an jet airliner

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it's squinting

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http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/de/electric/historic/103_1/Touristikzug/103_220-0__Touristiklok__in_Neustadt_30_5_09_03.jpg

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Comeng trains re-done :3

[dim pulsar]

I hope Ragin doesn’t push themselves too much…

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I'm fine, I'm spending more time playing games and stuff :3

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also did the proposed Vline Gippsland line EMUs

idk how I feel about the liveries, but they kinda work

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going through and removing the base CC1 sprites, so now the variant group parent is the first livery

I think it looks so much better now

[frosty sand]

So much more distinctive!

[strange quiver]

You shoulda convinced me to do it earlier!

aa

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Guess who found Comeng's Tangara concept sketches 😎

I am covered in so much mould, but holy hell I found so much today

lots of stuff on the 4GT train designs, and of COMERT

[severe elbow]

oh those are very cool

[mental musk]

wait an moment

Comert is an non-gangwayed compartmentised subway train?

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yee, that was the idea

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design of some of these trains, including comert looks like streight out of Japan

I like tham

[strange quiver]

yee, I'm guessing they did a Japan trip and thought they were cool

tbf, there were a lot of photo album of study trips to Japan in there too

and to Europe too

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and I must say that these sketches look far better than the production Tangara

[strange quiver]

you're allowed to be wrong :3

but also, blame the british

the same company that did the Tangara design did the 1992 Tube Stock and Eurotunnel class 9 locomotives

[severe elbow]

whats wrong with the 92 stock and 9000s

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nothing, I love them :3

[mental musk]

series 9000 looks great!

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actually, I just realised...

those reports go into full detail on COMERT

I could do a pretty accurate representation of it in Openttd now

might do that third rail add on I talked about a while ago too

okay surprisingly, my guesses were pretty spot on

I guessed a weight of 20t and 300hp per car

but in actuality, its 22.5t and 250hp per car

passenger capacity and maximum speed I got bang on the money

length too surprisingly

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3rd rail melbourne trains is kinda cursed, but cool

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Hitachi trains re-done

gonna code up the third rail versions now

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there was 3rd rail traction in Sydnay?

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No, but like Melbourne, it was considered early on

But both cities decided on 1.5kv DC OHLE

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whan was the electricification construced?

1500V DC is considered obositle from very long time

[strange quiver]

It became operational in Melbourne in 1919 and Sydney in 1926

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theorethically it can be easly modernised to 3000V DC

[strange quiver]

Yh, but it would cost a far bit

And a lot of clearances would need to be adjusted

Also all the rolling stock would need to be modified

(around 1500 rail vehicles)

[mental musk]

||In the CIS 3kV DC railroads de facto operate on 3300V DC, but this is MAXIMUM of the DC railway... Everything higher voltage de facto has to be AC. And Higher voltage == higher power == ability to use more powerfull motors||

while converting loco/MU from 1500 to 3000V is simple it is still an big operation that takes the rolling stock out of service for quite an long time...

Druing the conversion likely some services would have to be supplemented with diesel trains...

[strange quiver]

Yh, ans we don't have diesel vehicles that would be able to take over

And its really just not worth it

Might as well just convert to 25kv at that point

[mental musk]

I wonder if in the future 50kV AC will became popular?

to my knowladge this is the highest voltage AC railroad existing today

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No, you need madsive clearances for it

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yeah....

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The higher the voltage, the larger the distance between live wires and structures need to be

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indeed

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Its why some new metro systems still use 1.5kv DC

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thus, 3rd rail systems cant operate on voltages larger than +/- 1000V

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Since you can have those wires fairly close to walls and stuff

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Not really, thats more to do with the skin effect

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and converting legacy systems can be pain in the...

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And the required bulk of the rail induces too much resistance iirc

[mental musk]

yeah. High voltage electricity can jump between conductive materials on the air

speaking about obosytle systems

I may be wrong, but some private railway in Japan still uses 650V which is lower voltage than streetcars in my city (800V)

[strange quiver]

Yee, its not unheard of

[dim pulsar]

There is even 600V 50Hz in Japan

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sure, that's dumb enough to be justified in Japan

[mental musk]

low voltage AC railroad?!

Why?

I bet that it is just the same system used by industries for some reasons and to save on transformers thay use it to power railways too?

[dim pulsar]

I don't know; Part of Tokyo Metro

[haughty pollen]

Isn't that the lime that uses linear motors?

[severe elbow]

they make sense, being 3 doors per side

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wdym?

[severe elbow]

if they were 3rd rail, it wouldnt be too cursed

as they have 3 doors per side

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I don't follow?

[severe elbow]

metro

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hmmmm

subways tend to have 4 doors per coach side

overground commuter railroads tend to have 3 doors per side

[severe elbow]

tbf a lot have 3 as well

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Metros aren't the only trains that use third rail :3

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regional 2 doors/side

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entire southern UK

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the NE US and Southern part of the UK has a lot of commuter lines using third rail

[severe elbow]

metro/isolated suburban networks should be the only 3rd rail trains

imo

i dislike the southern region

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evan some high speed sections with 180 or 190km/h operations

[strange quiver]

it's neat tho

[severe elbow]

its a nuisance

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the need for long distance was also why Sydney and Melbourne dropped it

although Sydney dropped it because "it was impossible to keep children off the railway line in outter suburban areas, and the third rail posed a risk of electrocution"

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which is silly

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why?

[severe elbow]

may as well be ohle at those speeds

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POV:

An technology called TRACKSIDE FANCES exists

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money also exists

fences cost money

[strange quiver]

yh, but it was standard practice to fence all lines, even in country areas

the concern was children getting past the fence

[severe elbow]

well yea cause who would ever build smart fences

waste of money

[mental musk]

children schould be thought at school that electric trains travel quickly and cannot stop on an dime?

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They are

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Only really the south east

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people are still too dumb to have 3rd rails in melbourne, I see people walking over tracks at least once per week

[tall merlin]

WW2 killed the coolest Pennsy projects

[frosty sand]

It really did

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Random thought, but the base liveries for my locomotives, instead of being all CC1 should be the demonstrator/manufacturer livery...

Bit more effort, but it could be cool

[finite mountain]

I like that idea!

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Now I'll just need to find demonstrator liveries :33333

[finite mountain]

Here's the demonstrator liveries for some of EMD's locomotives

SD40

SDP40F

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Ooh neat :3

Tbh the EMD ones are easy to find

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E9

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For companies like ALCO or Comeng, it might be more difficult since I've never really seen a demonstrator livery foe them

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E7

FT

F9

Couldn't find one for the F7 or FL9

Oh wait- the F7 isn't in the pack I forgot

And the F3

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F7 is iirc?

There were a few f units I cut because they were identical

Iirc I cut the F5

Might have cut the F7 and merged it with the F9 actually

Idk, I can't remember

[finite mountain]

Tried looking for the demonstrator liveries for the other stuff but I can't find any

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Can always make one up :3

[finite mountain]

Well, you could always make demonstrator liveries based on the original concept art

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Yee, that's another back up plan

[finite mountain]

Found some concept art for R211 and an old mock up for the R143

Then there's this for the R44

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Ooooh, I love them

[finite mountain]

Here's an original render of the CTA 7000 series

And apparently, this is what the CTA 5000 series was originally supposed to looked like

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Oh yh, I've seen that

Its more interesting than what we got

[untold viper]

Cursed G-Class tram

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Omg true...

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Tangential thought

But should the demonstrator liveries be company colour? Or real colour?

I think the latter might be better since it makes it clear which locomotive was made by who easier

And its a livery the player isn't expected to necessarily use

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hmmmm demonstrators, how delicious!

is there any way to tell apart diffrent F series (and E series too, but within the series, becouse E is of course longer) locos visually/

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Pretty much just by the greebles and windows

Otherwise they're all very similar

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Ragins Train Sets

[finite mountain]

Tried looking for demonstrators for the Budd Metropolitan, Cosmopolitan, Neapolitan, and Metroliner. This was the best I could find

It's the demonstrator livery worn by the SPV-2000

A diesel version of the Metroliner

[frosty sand]

Upside-down Southwest Airlines!

[finite mountain]

Yeah I kinda see it. It does look like the Southwest Airlines livery, minus the blue

Couldn't find one for the Budd Silverliner so maybe it can work for it as well

[finite mountain]

Couldn't find any other demonstrators or concept for any other locomotives or railcars

They either don't have one or look exactly like the final result

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there was also one with an other type of front end (streamlined like on an airplane)

https://i.redd.it/ldoafsum82jd1.jpeg

||Shut up, take my money and give me this bullet train||

so, there were 3 (?) types of fronts in these coaches

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Units, not coaches

[mental musk]

I wonder why Yanks use scuch smol side windows usually...

and almost exclusivly non-opening

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reg small windows, maybe vandalism or cheaper maintenance

reg them not opening, probably the whole carriage has aircon

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Cheaper to replace as they got smashed a lot

[mental musk]

what's wrong with drop down windows?

https://twojehobby.eu/images/e1545fd64b228df8a26389046b0c.jpg

[severe elbow]

They like air conditioning

A bit too much

[strange quiver]

It was to match aircraft, as they were trying to make trains seem modern and cool

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That's fine

Tbf, I'm only doing demonstrator liveries for locomotives anyway

Passenger carriages are fine rn

[frosty sand]

Modern US trains are back to big windows

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Yee

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well that third rail add-on I mentioned is basically done

at some point I'm gonna need to touch up some of the older sprites, but otherwise I'm gonna put it on Bananas now

[red stump]

Wait are these mainline third rail consists?

We've been workshopping an IH/Ragin setup and that was one of the only things that was missing haha

[strange quiver]

yee, they're all coded as SAA3

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oh well perfect then

also if you do want anything in particular, you're always free to just ask

I'm more than happy to help draw/code anything you need :3

[red stump]

Ohh okay hmm I'll have to do some brainstorming

IH is completely void of 3rd mainline stuff so anything in that vein is good, i know you typically avoid UK vibes but LIRR or MN EMUs would fit in there

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I'm working on those too

I just need to rework all my north american stuff tbh

but those will be in the whole NARP passenger set, and not a separate addon

but if you do have something specific you want to do, I can prioritise them

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you ever thought of doing anything narrow gauge?

IH has no electric narrow gauge trains

[strange quiver]

I'm not opposed to it

you got anything in mind?

[red stump]

hmmm I'm trying to think of anything that might fit your themes

I feel like electrified narrow gauge is only either Japan stuff or Swiss

[strange quiver]

well...

NZ, West Australia, and Queensland all operate narrow gauge electric trains

could always just take my existing stuff and re-code them as narrow gauge

[red stump]

oh, really?

[strange quiver]

it's just the scale might be quite different

[strange quiver]

yee, they all use 3ft 6in, same as Japan

[haughty pollen]

South Africa has a lot of electric narrow gauge too

[red stump]

hm, dunno how I didn't know that

Austrailia really is a blind spot for me

[haughty pollen]

QR also does the only electric hauled freight in Australia

[strange quiver]

very true

and I have a lot of info on South African electric locomotives too

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shame, Australia's cool!

[red stump]

there's just so much to know!

[frosty sand]

Why’d you have to put it so far away? 😭

[strange quiver]

I know :(((

I need to stop going into archives to find more 😦

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blame tectonic plates 😦

[frosty sand]

Narrator: You will never stop. This is your life now.

[strange quiver]

I'm not complaining :3

[frosty sand]

We will never stop learning about our special interests, although the medium sometimes change. I don’t look at many archives anymore but I still talk to insiders and fellow nerds and learn from them

[strange quiver]

yeah, you'll never know everything

[frosty sand]

But damned if I’m not going to try!

[strange quiver]

also Kale, if you want, I could do a basic iron horse addon that's handful of fictional/semi-fictional locomotives and multiple units

[frosty sand]

I have reached the point where I now forget things I used to know 😦

[strange quiver]

could be a fun exercise, just lmk what you'd particularly want in terms of style/states

[red stump]

that would go really hard, your guys sprite styles mesh so well

[strange quiver]

I do that, but with peoples names 😦

[strange quiver]

thanks!

[red stump]

the biggest gap in IH is narrow gauge electrics

maybe some variety in historic narrow gauge too

and there's no mainline 3rd rail stuff despite all of the south of england

I believe Gwyd was working on something that added extra EMUs

[haughty pollen]

Yeah Gwyd's addon looked promising but I don't think there's a playable release yet

[red stump]

nope

you should beat him to it haha

[strange quiver]

yh, but I don't wanna steal his thunder :3

but yh, I'll do maybe a handful of electric locomotives and multiple units

I think I'll try and make them somewhat generic

because I don't think there are many UK prototypes tbh

[red stump]

you know what I'm gonna hit him with a ping so he sees this in the morning @silent hollow

maybe you guys can collab

[red stump]

andy has gone pretty hard on locos and especially wagons

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not opposed to the idea

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yeeeee

but I'm just thinking atm

WAGR had these quite cute narrow gauge steeplecab locomotives which might be a good starting option

also the SECV 900mm mine locomotives might be good too

[red stump]

damn thats a weird looking dude

[strange quiver]

they're goofy enough tho :3

[haughty pollen]

First time I've seen those WAGR electrics haha

[red stump]

mining locos are cool I'm down

[haughty pollen]

Yellow pantos almost make it look Czech

[strange quiver]

I think they only bought one tbh

it was legit only for connecting the mainline to a power station in Perth

so here's how horses narrow gauge locomotive roster is set up atm

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I reckon this one can be the 1910 one

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and something based on this for 1960

those two can be the low powered ones

and the higher powered ones can be box cabs?

[red stump]

yeah seems about right to me

[strange quiver]

actually, dumb idea...

but Ufiby's track set has third rail narrow gauge tracks

could also add Glasgow subway trains too, since they're narrow gauge and third rail

[red stump]

so does SETS: narrow gauge haha

[strange quiver]

oh perfect then :3

onto the idea list it goes

[steep echo]

i need to get over my cripping procrastination and make stuff again

i'd love to make some ng stuff

[strange quiver]

do it, narrow gauge is great :3

[red stump]

interesting so, GNARTS shows up on the third rail list

[strange quiver]

yee, most of the stuff in that uses third rail, but it's all Metro stuff

[red stump]

ORP shows up on the fourth rail haha

[strange quiver]

wait wtf?

[steep echo]

its much cooler just to disable 4th rail in SETS

[red stump]

well then I couldn't use the IH metros

thats why its active

[steep echo]

dont they appear on 3rd if you disable 4th?

[red stump]

they didn't the last time I tested this but that was a long time ago

let me check

[strange quiver]

that's really weird because the old version on GNARTS uses the same rail type table?

GNARTS:
railtypetable {
RAIL, SAA3: [ MTRO, SBA3, SCA3, SDA3, "3RDR", "3RDC", MTRO, ELRL], ELRL

[red stump]

well I disbled fourth rail and now it shows up on 3rd

[strange quiver]

ORP3r
railtypetable {
RAIL, SAA3: [ MTRO, SBA3, SCA3, SDA3, "3RDR", "3RDC", MTRO, ELRL], ELRL, IHBA: [SGAA, SGAE, ELRL], TR_UNIVERSAL: [_AAE, RAIL]

I think it's probably because I added the IHBA to it?

[steep echo]

and the horse stuff?

[red stump]

but the IH metros are gone 😆

yeah

[steep echo]

thats gay

[red stump]

I blame this on andy

[red stump]

agreed

[strange quiver]

him and his weird track types, tsk tsk tsk

[steep echo]

ill need to check if rukts does the same thing with the LU stock

since im making a multiplayer game with rukts, ukrs2, dutch3xl and sbb soon, among other things

[red stump]

I can just use both it's cool

I'll just RP that its two different systems or something

[steep echo]

would you be able to check kale, since you're kinda going that thing rn?

[red stump]

wait check what?

I'm just messing with an IH/Ragin Setup

[steep echo]

if togling 4th rail in SETS impacts the availability of RUKTS LU stock

fair

[strange quiver]

yh, but it really should be 750v DC third rail

I'll have to fix it

it'd just require testing and I'm lazy

I normally play with Ufiby's track set anyway so that's why I didn't spot the issue

[red stump]

well this seems like an issue

I dont think it liked me removing 4th rail

[strange quiver]

oh?

[red stump]

lmao

[steep echo]

eepy

[red stump]

this is not a ragin problem this is a my save problem

but its kinda funny

[strange quiver]

the car lobby finally won

they're paving over the railways 😦

[red stump]

it was the lack of their capability to build narrow gauge electric railways that did us in

[strange quiver]

oh no 😦

[red stump]

also the multiple unit cars

can these be used for all of your sets? or just their corresponding newgrf

[strange quiver]

wdym?

I'd be designing this add on to directly match Iron Horse

it'd be compatible with my other stuff, but I'd try and match Andy's scale/style more closely

[red stump]

or I just mean all the multiple unit trailer units

[strange quiver]

oh yh, it'll match the way horse does it

I'm also gonna need to give each set its own MU trailer sprite at some point

[red stump]

I was just gonna suggest maybe identifying these in the depot menu

[strange quiver]

how so?

[red stump]

edit because my brain is fried

just so you know which trailer to use

kind of like how JP+ does it

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I plan on doing something like that at some point

[red stump]

it can be confusing to sift through with a lot of vehicles

otherwise these are looking great

[strange quiver]

yee, I know, i need to deal with it, I'm just lazy

[strange quiver]

thanks :3

[steep echo]

Are there any other sets that match horse like this?

[strange quiver]

not to my knowledge tbh

[red stump]

pretty cool addition to the current list

also totally missed ORP modern locos haha

[strange quiver]

yeeee, Openttd has been badly needing more 3rd rail MUs

[strange quiver]

too many locomotives 😦

[red stump]

you could probably simplify it but I like the variety

[strange quiver]

nah, I like having lots of options

[red stump]

same

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also

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FbSvjYn8serj7aZoF4H7xbNtAzoBHg5Z7aAKLCmewHE/edit?usp=sharing

here's my basic idea for that add on

Problem is trying to find electric stuff that would match UK train design aesthetics

or at least could be bodged to match

[red stump]

damn this rules

[red stump]

this rules too

[strange quiver]

thanks, to both:3

[red stump]

I think you're on to something with the IH add on

if I can think of anything else I'll bring it up

[strange quiver]

all good

I'm down for suggestions, but worst case I can just make something up

also I just realised I'm gonna have to come up with names 😦

[red stump]

aha gotta go the IH route and name them things like "Badger" and "Centaur"

[strange quiver]

I'm sure I could come up with some

[turbid bronze]

[strange quiver]

I was partially thinking of that while re-doing the Hitachis

[turbid bronze]

Some electric narrow gauge to flesh out the IH roster styled after QLD freight would be really cool

Otherwise I like big stinky diesels

bigger and stinkier the better

technically it doesn't need to be diesel, electric can also be stinky just it stinks of oil and ozone instead of oil and diesel

[red stump]

heck all the QLD narrow gauge emus are cool

Didn't even know these existed

[strange quiver]

yee!

but the problem is they're all stainless steel, which isn't really something that's common in the UK

like they'd have to be entirely painted to match the rest of Iron horse tbh

[strange quiver]

true...

idk how big I want the IH addon locomotives to be

I was thinking quite small

[steep echo]

Did you ever do double deck carriages, DVT and EMU?

[red stump]

I know but I love it

[strange quiver]

but I'd be willing to go to full size tri-bo electrics like in Queensland

[strange quiver]

for my sets? I've done some

but nah, not gonna do narrow gauge double deck stuff

[red stump]

It's like someone mashed a budd design together with Japanese and UK influences

Could always just use it as inspiration for something fictional

[strange quiver]

that's literally what it is

[steep echo]

I meant standard

[red stump]

Like an SBU type deal but without the stainless steel and more UK vibes

[strange quiver]

the first gen of QR EMUs were based on Queensland rails experience with British derived rolling stock, Japanese traction technology, and the previous AUPT design. The latter was mostly led by former Comeng engineers who worked very closely with Budd

QR EMUs are literally a hybrid between all 3

[red stump]

Oh true IH doesn't have any double decker coaches

[red stump]

Ahaha nailed it

[strange quiver]

oh

[red stump]

Really cool very unique etc

[strange quiver]

tbh idk if Iron horse would work with double deckers

[red stump]

Right that UK loading gauge

[strange quiver]

Horse is mostly UK inspired, so anything I add reasonably should be able to appear in the UK

[steep echo]

This

I’d love to simulate Germany a bit with double deck emus, carriages and DVTs

[strange quiver]

SBU?

[red stump]

sorry SMU

[strange quiver]

ooooh

yh...

[strange quiver]

I could imagine that cab style working in the UK tbh...

[red stump]

Yeah it totally would

[strange quiver]

maybe an SMU networker hybrid thing?

[red stump]

Yeah I could see that working

[strange quiver]

Although I do think it'd be better to scale it down

to match the small-ish railcars already in horse

[red stump]

And something NGR inspired for express trains

Yeah I agree

[strange quiver]

idk about you, but I generally envisage Iron Horses narrow gauge being like 2ft or something

so really small trains

and that's the vibe I wanna stick with tbh

tbh a 2ft gauge streamlined express train is kinda dumb, and I'd be all for it tho

[turbid bronze]

except all the narrow gauge stuff which goes Aussie and Kiwi 😛

commonwealth themed set

[red stump]

It would just need to match the IH size

[turbid bronze]

and fucky sprite offsets

[red stump]

Which is pretty small indeed lol

[turbid bronze]

I don't mind the exagerated size differences in horse too much

[red stump]

Yeah it gets the point across

"These are small trains"

"These are the big trains"

[strange quiver]

true, but still!

[turbid bronze]

precedent set, go hog wild

😛

[strange quiver]

fine!

I'm adding gallery cars

[turbid bronze]

Bullying successful

[strange quiver]

:/

but yh, I'm gonna bash some stuff together

probably gonna focus on locomotives and those narrow gauge metro trains first

Horse has a weird way of doing its MUs that I'll need help if I'm to replicate

[turbid bronze]

Just fork his codebase and do it up as a new roster

[strange quiver]

I could, but I have no idea how that codebase works 😦

if I could get what the final NML looks like, that would be easy

but it's all written in python stuff that I don't understand

[turbid bronze]

It's mostly data driven, the idea is you shouldn't need to touch that python

Actually tbh I'd probably wait til Iron Badge Horse comes out, a lot of his MU weirdness will be handled by just looking for a badge rather than look for an ID

should violently reduce the complexity

[strange quiver]

well fair

but yh, I just don't get how it all works, and whenever I look it goes right over my head

[silent hollow]

Hello

I have been summoned

What did we want, some generic UK multiple units?

[strange quiver]

that's what sorta the discussion

basically it was talk of an iron horse addon that include electric narrow gauge

that and a desire for more EMUs, and third rail EMUs for Iron Horse

but I don't wanna do them since you're still working on a bunch iirc

[silent hollow]

Yeah I'm about halfway through a set that adds 20ish UK EMUs, including 3rd rail and some more fictional units

Although I haven't been making much progress

[strange quiver]

fair enough

do you want it to just be a EMU addon? because it might be good to chuck my narrow gauge stuff in

I wanna do some OHLE narrow gauge locomotives and EMUs, plus some stuff based on the glasgow subway

[signal gate]

IH compile is not recommended for use by others 😛

mostly adding vehicles is straightforward https://github.com/andythenorth/iron-horse/blob/badgers/src/vehicles/pony/booster.py

but as soon as you want anything fancy like "2 part locomotive, one part is AC, the other is diesel, and it's high speed capable, and I want to suppress the pantograph sparks"

then it's faff

and there's quite a bit of "this is magic and works great, but you just can't use articulated vehicles"

or "it's 100% done, but you can't use some lengths"

[severe elbow]

A South African set would be brilliant imo

[strange quiver]

well tbf, anything I make for an addon would match whats in iron horse in functionality

[strange quiver]

it's on the to-do list :3

[signal gate]

Horse compile also requires keeping a python environment up to date with multiple modules

dunno, depends what you want to do with it

[silent hollow]

I wasn't considering adding narrow gauge vehicles, mainly because there aren't that many narrow gauge multiple units that I know of here. I'm planning on doing some DMUs, but so far I haven't really done them justice

I think they would be cool

[strange quiver]

yh, and that I wouldn't know how to do

[strange quiver]

pretty much a copy of what already exists?

idk the specifics

[strange quiver]

well when I get time I'll draw them, main thing I'll need is help with the code tbh

[silent hollow]

Fair enough, I can pump code out fairly quickly

[strange quiver]

well if you wanna work together, I'm down

I struggle with code, but I'm good at drawing

[mental musk]

would You mind cooperating with me?

While I checked some code I still dont understand it 100%

[signal gate]

one option for a Horse-ish set might be using nml #include, but that's not merged yet

could take a Horse engine nml file, then use it as a template

gets more complicated for units etc

dunno, unless OpenTTD grfspec changes wildly, I don't forsee rewriting Horse compile again

[silent hollow]

I'm not sure what your objective is with your set, but I would still like to release my own horse add on set

I'm more than happy for your set to reuse my graphics/concepts since they're largely borrowed from IH anyway

[signal gate]

whatever we do, could we not name it "Horse" please

or Iron

I feel stabby every time I'm asked why Iron Horse requires the Quicksilver addon

I realise from watching my kids play minecraft, terraria etc that some people are used to games that stack mods to just get them to work

but I hate all that shit

[strange quiver]

tbh it's basically the same as what you're planning, although I'd be expanding the narrow gauge roster

[silent hollow]

I was going to call it Equine Multiple Units Iron Horse add on

[signal gate]

Iron Iron Horse Horse

[silent hollow]

Or just equine multiple units

[signal gate]

include several version numbers

"Iron 2 Horse 7 v3 final final"

[strange quiver]

nah, gonna call it "Iron Horse required addon mandatory break if not used" just to annoy you 🙂

[silent hollow]

V0.2.342 02-04-2025 r295

[signal gate]

^

[strange quiver]

I was probably gonna call it electric pony or something tbh

[silent hollow]

(Nightly)

[signal gate]

just call it Brass Monkey

Copper Cow

[silent hollow]

Iron Horse v5

[signal gate]

the ones I have, if I don't die first: Horse (Pony), Ibex, Moose, Wallaby, Zebra, maybe Llama or Alpaca

I'd love to do a Japan one, but I will die first, and JP+ exists

[silent hollow]

I think iron donkey would be fun

[silent hollow]

What are you trying to do? I do have somewhat limited time but I can help you if it's not too much

[mental musk]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/polskiekolejepanstwowe/images/0/0e/2E.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170620172602&path-prefix=pl

Series 2E, AKA 2E53

electric loco for industral railroads, based on engilish licence, said to be based on the documentation of an loco for zuidafrika market

[mental musk]

GDR set

I have some ||Shitty|| graphics ready and lying on the HDD

[turbid bronze]

Ferrous Equine Expansion Set

It'll keep the redittors away from Andy at least

[mental musk]

Electric toughbread horse replaces kettle with more horse power and can operate in submarged lines?

[dim pulsar]

Have I included all of Ragin's sets

[strange quiver]

Yee, that's all of them

[finite mountain]

I remember you saying that you were waiting for the Stadler METRO CQ400s to be unveiled before putting it in the MARTA set

[strange quiver]

yee, but now I'm waiting until I've finished redoing GNARTS before I do :3

they're on the list tho

[finite mountain]

Cool

[strange quiver]

next version of GNARTS will basically be entirely re-done, and maybe include some of the great society metros

[finite mountain]

I really like the look of those Stadler METRO trains and I wish more North American cities would select them for their subway networks

Was hoping for Toronto's new trains to be made by Stadler but it seems like we're already going with Alstom

[strange quiver]

yeah...

can always do them as sci-fi stuff

but priority is real trains anyway

[vestal minnow]

Hey Ragin I have a question:

[strange quiver]

ye?

[vestal minnow]

Tried drawing my own trains but one of the angles look wrong

[strange quiver]

oh? I'd be happy to take a look

[vestal minnow]

Mark I skytrains in Vancouver

[strange quiver]

aight, I'll have a look

[vestal minnow]

Thanks!

[civic ether]

Seconding QR EMUs for IH addon

[vestal minnow]

Also drew Canada Line trains

[strange quiver]

noted :3

[civic ether]

Thx

Very cool that your pack has NGRs already

[strange quiver]

they do need to be improved tho

[strange quiver]

what scale are you trying to do these in btw?

or, what are you trying to get them to match?

because the sprites seem quite small

[vestal minnow]

The sprites are 52 pixels long, 10 high and 8 deep

Tried eyeballing dimensions from screenshotting vehicles and counting pixels to get an estimate

The vertical views (1st and 5th images) look very off and compressed

[strange quiver]

ah fair

the proportions do seem a little off when I put them on my template

[vestal minnow]

Dimensions are very rough

[strange quiver]

can easily be sorted tho :3

Here's the template I normally use btw

might be a good reference for what you're doing

but as for the sprite work

it's one of those cases where you learn over time

but the biggest bits of advice I can give you is to create contrast

where it transitions from the body to the roof should be somewhat clear, and that should be the lightest part of the vehicle

also it's good to create contrast between the doors and the rest of the body

also with the side views, you do sorta have to compress things

and it's fine to not get it perfect

[strange quiver]

the two techniques I use is eiter have the central windows just be 1x2 pixels like this, and then a gap between the windows and the doors

[strange quiver]

or have the windows be bunched together

but you can experiment around

this has all my rapid transit stuff, and it might make good references for doing the Skytrain cars

[strange quiver]

@red stump 🤔

kinda works

gonna code it now and see how it looks in game

tried doing something like this

[strange quiver]

I think this works quite well

[strange quiver]

also goes hard

we finally get to use those narrow gauge third rail tracks in U&RERMM

source and GRF if anyone wants to have a look

I'll probably add more when I get time

I just wanted to do some prototyping

I also need to add automatic lowering/raising of the pantographs for the Gazelle

[glossy compass]

Nice

[strange quiver]

random thought, but I was curious and looked up the original GWR loading gauge

and it's was about 3.3m and 4.5m tall, which is plenty large enough for double deckers

so if the GWR stuck with broad gauge, or their larger loading gauge, then it's likely the UK could have had double deck trains in the west

so that does create an alternate history route for double deck stuff to exist...

[red stump]

Hell yeah looks awesome

And yeah I agree push that creative license

[haughty pollen]

Reminder that double decker trains would fit in the British loading gauge, it's the regulation forbidding passenger compartments below the platform level that prevents it

[mental musk]

why thay got banned?

[red stump]

Isn't there a height limit too? All their tunnels are small

[signal gate]

double deck was built and used

[haughty pollen]

Gwyd has a potential design #openttd message

[mental musk]

whopping 2 MU sets...

[severe elbow]

and we didnt even need them

[steep echo]

Double deckers would be good where i live

Like the German diesel ones

But 2 cars instead of as a railbus

We have 2tph but they can get quite packed at some hours

Something like a diesel version of the Swedish X40

To replace the class 156 and 158 we have

[dim pulsar]

british loading gauge...

[severe elbow]

eh

uk rail network deserves to be bad

[mental musk]

early adaptor weirdness

[severe elbow]

its, different

[dim pulsar]

Britain has to do this to fit a double decker

and being not accessible

[mental musk]

run mixed trains

Double decker coaches for most of passengers

AND

Single decker coaches for disabled, people with baby prams, bicycles and large luggage

Although double deckers have an drawback...

Slow loading speed...

this means that these are more suited for 1st class or express lines

[spice kernel]

The loading speed isnt that much diffrent on trains

We have a standard loading speed in the netherlands and the minimal station time is a timetabled 20 seconds for any train

54 for ic stations

And 2,5 min for big stations

Which shorter than pretty much every system about

[dim pulsar]

How do the Dutch timetable it to 54 seconds? This number is strange

[spice kernel]

Dutch timetable is based of every 6 seconds

[steep echo]

There’s no reason for uk double decker to not be accessible

[strange quiver]

not really?

max height in Britain seems to be around 4m, which would make a double deck train really tight

we're talking 180-190cm per level

NSW is about the minimum height you need, which is 4.4m, and that allows 200-210cm per deck

so I guess it it theoretically possible, just not pracitcally possible

only reason I say the GWR gauge could do it is because it goes up to 4.6m tall at centre height, which is plenty of room

[strange quiver]

also I might move these 1895 or so?

IRL those trains were introduced around 1897, and moving them forward meaning if you're playing with iron horse, they're the first underground trains you get

so it encourages actually using them

idk my thought process

[vestal minnow]

How do these files work?

Got caught up in tax filing and now got back to your reply

[strange quiver]

my template has all the correct sizings for diffrent trains

so template 8 is for trains that are 0.5tiles long in game

[vestal minnow]

Ok

Going to take a look

[strange quiver]

easy, lmk if you need any help

but those templates are a good first step

also there's lots of sprites in there for different trains which you can easily look at for inspiration

🤔

might remove the yellow nose

but idk how I feel about this guy

tried bodging it from the previous Gazelle sprite

[signal gate]

the white stripes cause the bonnets to not read

[strange quiver]

yeah, that's my issue too

I think it's more the shading on it tho

[signal gate]

to stripe bonnet locos, darken it

also the shading by the cabs, so the cab pops

[strange quiver]

I'll have a play around

I think this works?

maybe i should reduce the contrast between the body and cab?

[mental musk]

https://www.melzer-modellbau.de/images/product_images/original_images/Artikel/Veit/72011.jpg

reminds me of V36K

[strange quiver]

I can see it

I think it's better?

[mental musk]

now it looks like an russian mining loco

||Mainly due to the colours||

[strange quiver]

tbf that's not inherently bad

electric mining locos is what I imagine narrow gauge horse locos would be

[mental musk]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/06/ElectricLoco_4kp1.jpg?uselang=ru

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/ElectricLoco_B.JPG?uselang=ru

[vestal minnow]

Ok what am I looking at here? Thanks for fixing it tho

Spaces to draw additional liveries below and other vehicles to the right?

[strange quiver]

pretty much

I use them for whatever

often it's for related vehicles or different parts of the same vehicle

[vestal minnow]

Ok

[strange quiver]

So for EMUs, it's to include all the variations of motor cars and driving trailers and the like

[vestal minnow]

Got this warning when trying to download?

[strange quiver]

it's fine, it's just my working file

[vestal minnow]

Ok

[strange quiver]

it's your anti virus being over zealous

[vestal minnow]

Yeah sometimes my anti spam filter also blocks out important stuff

As well as anti virus

[strange quiver]

yee, they do that

[vestal minnow]

?

[strange quiver]

idk why it's doing that?

maybe its the .bat file in there?

[vestal minnow]

Just found the download link from the discord above

[strange quiver]

like that's all thats in there

a bunch of gimp files, pngs, bat files to compile, and a copy of nml

[vestal minnow]

No idea? Can't see anything as its zipped

And it won't let me unzip

[strange quiver]

strange?

have you got winrar?

[vestal minnow]

No

[haughty pollen]

7zip is better 🙂

[vestal minnow]

Now it auto deleted and won't let me download lol

[strange quiver]

strange, well idk how to help with that :/

[strange quiver]

either works tho

[vestal minnow]

I am blocked from downloading again it due to viruses

[strange quiver]

well I'm not sure what to do about that

you should be able to bypass it?

are you on a chromebook or something?

[vestal minnow]

No I'm not

[haughty pollen]

copy the download link and paste it in a browser

[signal gate]

it has things like .bat files

if you don't know what you're doing, don't try and bypass the antivirus

[wind valley]

NJ Transit runs multilevel cars for commuter service and it surveys us well, they've ordered an EMU version to replace the old Arrow EMUs
The front and back parts of the car are level boarding for handicapped etc, and the middle is the multilevel part

[mental musk]

something like bombardier omneo?

[wind valley]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_MultiLevel_Coach

[mental musk]

so basicly You orgered similer coaches, but with motors?

Nice!

||The Omneo has ah very wird layout. I am not saying that is bad but definitly seems to be hard to maintain...||

[red stump]

They've been using those as regular coaches for a long time mostly on peak services on the NEC with an alp

They use them on the raritan line as well, if my experiences are to be believed they're pretty slow to load

But I wouldn't describe NJT as very efficient either haha

[severe elbow]

Does New Jersey really deserve to be efficient though?

[wind valley]

my local line, morristown line, uses pretty much exclusively multilevels with various electric locos
during rush hours there's a mix of EMU arrows and single-level comets as well

[red stump]

Gotcha they've probably relegated the arrows and comets to peak services by now because they're ancient at this point

Back in my day arrows did all the regular services, I only used to see the huge multilevel consists at rush hour

[frosty sand]

cries in Silverliner IV

[red stump]

Septa uses the multilevels too don't they

Or maybe that's MARC

[frosty sand]

Nope, just two types of Silverliners and push-pull ACS64 + Comet (actually same spec as Metro-North Shorelinere) sets.

Yeah you’re thinking of MARC

[finite mountain]

No. SEPTA was gonna get some bi-levels from CRRC but it was cancelled

[red stump]

ah gotcha

At least you get ACS-64s 😛

[finite mountain]

You know I've always wondered, what's the difference between the Arrows and the Silverliners?

Is it just the name or what?

[red stump]

No some slight details are different they were made for different companies

Like the arrows have center doors

But it's basically the same thing

[frosty sand]

The Silverliners could get the center doors, they’re just plugged.

[wind valley]

marc, and for some reason exo (montreal)

[frosty sand]

It would be the ultimate SEPTA moment to blow out the plugs at speed a la Boeing 737 😛

[red stump]

Weird

It's one of the things I've always liked about the arrows

Really just ahead of its time on all fronts

[mental musk]

I wonder what may ORP mean...

[strange quiver]

Oceanian rail pack?

[mental musk]

sudden Ragin jumpscare LOL

[mint cargo]

@strange quiver just take a look on site ArtStation, and found this interesting design for a Amtrak HST, call Amtrak Columbia. I just a Concept Design, but imagine would be good on North America Set on later times (2030s/2040s?) https://www.artstation.com/artwork/kNKXxd

[finite mountain]

Honestly, that's what the Acela 2 should've looked like

[mint cargo]

True, much better look than the Avelia Liberty, and let´s say less problematic...

[strange quiver]

Oooh, I like it

[strange quiver]

just got back from a camping trip and I'm gonna try and do another electric pony sprite

but I've been thinking about the new place houses feature and I love it

I quite like the randomisation feature that full english houses has

so if I ever did my own town set I'd probably do something similar

since it means you can spam houses over an area, and you get some variety

I think if I were to ever do it I'd use zoning types, but it's random future thoughts for something I won't get to for a long while anyway

[strange quiver]

Metro Cammell Glasgow subway stock done

still not happy about the liveries

so I might rework them at a later date

probably was mostly trying to sus out what liveries to do, and how to do them in an Iron Horse style

[mental musk]

clockwork orange

you use fictional names?

[strange quiver]

well it's an iron horse addon

so it's to match it

[crystal crag]

Fictional Names is the Horse Tradition

[mental musk]

only MUs or locos too?

[strange quiver]

narrow gauge mus and locos

but it's only going to be a handful of things

[crystal crag]

Hopefully this will incentivize JP+ Rails to get NG3RD

[mental musk]

Some time ago I though about re-using the OG Generic Train Set sprites for an horse addon

With electric locos, MUs and double deck coaches

[haughty pollen]

Last I checked Glasgow isn't in Japan 🙂

[crystal crag]

No, but JP+ is imo the best track set and it lacks NG 3rd Rail

[mental musk]

but glasgow uses some weird gauge

in the subway

is it unique?

||And if You ask what it has to do with Japan. Tokyo's 2 streetcar lines run on some weird gauge||

[haughty pollen]

It's 4ft gauge which is pretty unique

[mental musk]

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/1006358600/pl/zdjęcie/tramwaje-linii-arakawa-w-mieście-arakawa-tokio-japonia.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=Kr_58FmRRa63qyTLKMCsJcyEnGc0XjOo7YBB5yeIt6s=

1300mm or something like that

[strange quiver]

tbf, to my knowledge there's no narrow gauge third rail lines in Japan

[crystal crag]

Yeah, I don't think there are

[strange quiver]

all lines that use third rail in Japan are standard gauge

[mental musk]

what?

no 3rd rail 1067mm?

[haughty pollen]

nope

[mental musk]

most of railroads in Japan are 1067mm

[mental musk]

not evan in the past?

[crystal crag]

I mainly want it because I have an alternative version of my UKRS set that is Narrow Gauge because finescale looks better on it :D

[haughty pollen]

No, all 3rd rail systems in Japan are dedicated metros that never connect with the national rail system

[crystal crag]

I'm admittedly curious why all the 3rd Rail is standard gauge, but that's not for here to discuss

[strange quiver]

tweaked the liveries a little bit and now I'm much happier

[strange quiver]

yh, idk tbh

I know third rail narrow gauge is incredibly rare

only system I know of is the glasgow metro

iirc there might be one in South America or spain? but regardless, it's rare

[dim pulsar]

There is something in the Alps

[mental musk]

that railway with yellow trains in france?

[severe elbow]

france has yellow trains other than la poste?

[dim pulsar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligne_de_Cerdagne

[strange quiver]

that line is just weird

[mental musk]

we have berlin S-bahn at home

[mental musk]

https://bi.im-g.pl/im/9/9240/z9240999IEG.jpg

https://ocdn.eu/pulscms-transforms/1/_wQktkqTURBXy8xZTNlM2QwZGMxMzQ3NjllNGE5YWQ5MGU4MmZlMmIyZi5qcGVnkZUCzQFozQEPwsM

https://i2.wp.com/railcolornews.com/wp-content/uploads/caf_hybridshunter_ratp02caf.jpg

[strange quiver]

Ooooooh

Those are neat

[strange quiver]

random thought for the horse addon, but carriages that mach the height/size of the deep level tube trains

so you can do goofy loco hauled tube trains

like you can kinda do them now

but you can't do stuff liek this without it looking funky

[signal gate]

I considered adding mail and pax tube stock

but nah

[strange quiver]

yeah... but it could make a cool addon

like if I'm doing stuff, it's gonna be things i think are cool, that I otherwise wouldn't include in one of my sets

and that I don't think you'd add to iron horse yourself

that's why I'm doing electric narrow gauge

[signal gate]

ok so let's assume I'm not wanting to expand the Horse metro roster at all

I get a bit completionist sometimes

and do things I'm not at all interested in, just because I can see the gap

tube-gauge reefers? 😛

would look cool AF

[strange quiver]

tbh... it would

but did they ever operate any irl?

[signal gate]

pff no

most things have a prototype somewhere

[strange quiver]

because I feel like at that point, you might be getting pressed to do a full metro freight roster

[signal gate]

there's probably an ice reefer been trialled in NYC subway

but that's a guess

[strange quiver]

not that I've heard of?

some subway somewhere migt have considered one tbh

in like the early 1900s or something tho

[signal gate]

pff I need to get on to Moose 😄

[strange quiver]

yes, you do!

horse is done, leave all the goofy additions for me and gwyd

get on moose

you're barred from horse now

[severe elbow]

not moose

ibex

[strange quiver]

tbh we do need more European stuff

but I also wanna see Andy's take on North America

[severe elbow]

i think ibex is wanted more but it is up to him ofc

[dim pulsar]

I want some game system with completely no electric engines

I used to have a "GRF Plan" on that

[strange quiver]

oh? why?

[dim pulsar]

It's like, an interesting "alternate history"

[severe elbow]

there isnt many countries with a wide variety of only diesel locos/units

[dim pulsar]

https://1drv.ms/x/c/b814ca3042c4ea96/EZbqxEIwyhQggLiHDwAAAAABX3ZG8XpOtDzRzWA08mxvNA?e=CN2phh

[strange quiver]

tbh I'd be interested

sounds like a fun little set

[crystal crag]

One day I'll pick up my idea of a train/track set that tries to use 'weights' to seperate trains again. the French NG set tries it but in a realistic way that makes it less significant, I'd try and make a set that really forces you to think "Do I want high speed rail here, or a rail that supports heavier trains"

[vestal minnow]

You mean tracks not allowing trains over a certain weight?

[crystal crag]

Yeah, so you'd have different 'weight classes', cargo locomotives would be "heavy" and only be able to run on heavy tracks with a low speed limit, while passenger locomotives would be "light" and be able to run on any tracks, so you need to decide where to build heavy tracks and where to build light tracks, with some intermediate options ofc

[strange quiver]

You do it and I'll support it :3

Also

Dumb idea for a European set 🤔

[steep echo]

I’ve talked about this

[strange quiver]

Oh?

[steep echo]

Sadly it never happened

[strange quiver]

Yeah, but it can always be a fun addition

So onto the list it goes :3

[steep echo]

Tagged you

I can help you with liveries for it

There’s like 3 different liveries it could have had

[strange quiver]

I'd be keen then

I could modify my existing tangara sprite pretty easily and just include that in a one off set or something

I don't wanna dedicate myself to European stuff just yet...

[steep echo]

I’ll find some livery images for you

[strange quiver]

Easy

[steep echo]

Actually i can think of a 4th possible livery

Danish S trains since the mid 60s went red and in the 90s some got bike symbols on the sides

Left is s train 2 and right is 4, there’s a 3rd Gen but only a few were produced and they’re not really historically relevant

[strange quiver]

Still, they can have some fun liveries too :3

My code allows for up to 20 liveries per MU

So I've got the space

[steep echo]

A single s train was given the same livery as mainline MUs as a trial

[strange quiver]

Ooooh

Neat

[steep echo]

In the early 00s DSB rented and later bought these carriages to replace their Bn stock on local non S train routes so they might give some idea of how the Auz stuff would be painted

They’re going to be repainted soon i think to match DSBs new livery

[strange quiver]

Oh yh, that goes hard tbh

Also I looked it up, and platform height in denmark is 550mm, while the tangaras are 1,080mm

So they'd need to be modified to have low level doors

But that'd be easy tbh

[steep echo]

Like this

Which leads me to the 4th livery

[severe elbow]

talgo 👎

[strange quiver]

Ooooooh

[strange quiver]

Mood

I'm so thankful Talgo has fucked up every time they've tried to get into the Australian market

[steep echo]

At some point a single 2nd Gen s train was given white doors

Which is much like the modern livery

Idk when this happened but the trains were withdrawn around 2006

Also other ideas

2nd gen s trains got ads on them sometimes

[strange quiver]

Yee

Ad liveries are something i plan on doing tbh

It'd just be too much of a hassle

[steep echo]

Fair

Just some ideas

[strange quiver]

Yee, I can consider it :3

[steep echo]

))

[mental musk]

https://www.balancer.ru/sites/w/w/www.train-photo.ru/data/media/512/114.jpg

We have an JNR limited express MU at home

[strange quiver]

The goober

[strange quiver]

Train ride to work had me thinking about signals again

Might put those signal sprites I made ages ago to use...

[strange quiver]

okay signals are a dead end for tonight

but I don't have any work to do, and I can stay up late, so it's train time

now I just need to sus out what to draw...

[strange quiver]

🤔

American version of the BR sprinter

might just keep it as a single railcar

[frosty sand]

RDC!

[strange quiver]

it's the ungodly child of a BR Sprinter, Budd RDC, SPV2000, and Comet coach

also technichally a CTA 2400 series and SEPTA M4

[strange quiver]

okay so I've gone through and updated the NARP-Passenger set to remove the base sprites in like with what I did with ORP

but for some reason... now when I boot a new game with openttd and it activited, the game crashes?

or at least it freezes

so I've somehow really bodged this grf

okay so removing all the passenger cars fixes it?

so it's the Amfleet thats are causing issues?

[signal gate]

Pacer USA

Was a thing

[strange quiver]

true...

but I think if a Pacer made it onto the main line in the US it'd crumple like paper

fixed it :3

seems that setting all the amfleets variant group parent to the PHIII livery broke it?

since the lowest id amfleet is the PHII?

idk

[severe elbow]

Original highliner?

[strange quiver]

oh yh

the highliner 2000 isn't real

idk why I made it

I think I was bored and wanted to design something goofy

[severe elbow]

I mean the one with the pantograph above the cab

They look awesome

[strange quiver]

oooooh

the highliner 1

I haven't done it yet 😦

[severe elbow]

That’s your night sorted then 🙂

[strange quiver]

maybe tomorrow

I already did some code things

[strange quiver]

and this goober

[severe elbow]

Ah cool

[strange quiver]

goober sprinters done :3

might do an intercity version as an american version of the Express Sprinter

but we'll see

I quite like these little goober DMUs

[haughty pollen]

I can't wait to use this stuff on Cindini 🙂

[strange quiver]

Cindini?

[haughty pollen]

It's an old and highly detailed scenario https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Community/Scenarios/Cindini

[strange quiver]

Oooooooh, thats interesting

Tbh I wish more people made detailed scenarios like that

Legit the ideas of fictional geography are what get me interested in more fictional train designs

[strange quiver]

okay, updates on the signals, I seem to be able to grasp how the code works

now I just need to make something with it

[strange quiver]

good news, signals look good

gonna touch up the poles

they still feel kinda crap?

idk

much better looking

[strange quiver]

alright

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QuNhWmG-awD4S6J7dvPxu0wRVQ21DIphZeW5yMiKEkI/edit?usp=sharing

done my planning for the signals

now I know what I'm doing

so now I just gotta draw and code it

[crystal crag]

Signal sets are always weird to me, they all look too big. Only ever been able to use the finescale signals

[strange quiver]

you just like everything finescale :3

[crystal crag]

Exactly

Visuals are very important to me, if visuals are a little off or not nice it ruins my enjoyment, annoyingly enough

[strange quiver]

valid

tbh I'm not opposed to doing a finescale version at some point, it's just harder to do what I want I guess

[strange quiver]

I think I've done well so far

fuck, didn't rename one of the signals

there we go

oddly enough, QR and Tasmania both use british railway signals

but yh, gonna try and broadly group signals together because different systems can be somewhat similar

but the broad architypes are Route Signalling in NSW, Queensland, WA, Tasmania, and parts of SA and NZ

and american style speed signalling which is common in Victoria, New Zealand and parts of SA

[strange quiver]

realised I fucked up the order, but I fixed it

also I changed the signs to match how combined north american signals does it

[real sun]

Shouldnt these be shifted up one light? Anyway these look very nice

[strange quiver]

wdym?

that's broadly how british signals work

[strange quiver]

oooooooooh

I see

I'll fix that now