Ragins Train Sets

[steep echo]

really nicely done tho despite the confusing names xd

[strange quiver]

nah, I only ever talk about good railways 😎

the yugo?

[steep echo]

oof

JŽ 442

now working in croatia as the HŽ 1142

[strange quiver]

ah fair, they're a little different tbh

[steep echo]

very xd

its just the number was the same

[strange quiver]

although one of their traction motors is nearly as powerful as the prime mover of a NSW 442 class 💀

[steep echo]

tbf the JŽ 442 is a very good loco

still holds the speed record in croatia or former yugoslavia

[strange quiver]

fair enough, our 442s aren't that special

all they do is blow smoke

[steep echo]

even the boring shit can be cool

[strange quiver]

oh I'm not complaing

the 442s here mostly worked out of Broadmeadow locomotive depot, and on the North Coast and Main Northern lines

which is where I grew up >:)

although they were shifted to other duties by the time I got into trains

they're still fantastic looking though

[steep echo]

are they one of those things thats kinda shit but you like them due to familiarity?

[strange quiver]

not really, they were perfectly fine locomotives

They're ALCOs on the inside, so they're reliable and powerful, they just blow smoke

[steep echo]

even got a livery similar to the JŽ 442 xd

[strange quiver]

and nowadays they're pretty old

[steep echo]

its a very unusual loco, it has all the design cues of an american loco in the shape of a british one

like a BR Class 47 from a PS1 game

[strange quiver]

yeah, thats sorta what Australian locomotives are like

early on a lot of railways in Australia bought straight from the UK, because our operating practices aren't too different

NSW ended up buying 2 early on, the 40 class based on the ALCO RSC-3, and the 41 class based on a British-Thomson-Houston design, and those orders went on to inform loco purchasing for the next 20 years

because the 40s were fine, never broke down, and could take over the duties of steam locomotives

while the 41s weren't allowed to leave Sydney because they'd get too hot and catch fire, so they were replaced by Alco 44 class locomotives in the 60s

[steep echo]

as you do

[strange quiver]

this was also the first in a genre of Europeans not understanding what Australian conditions are like, and saying/doing dumb stuff

see BR HST to XPT, and Mout Barker Talgo for more recent examples...

[steep echo]

do you ever plan on making roadtrains?

[strange quiver]

eventually

[steep echo]

nice

[strange quiver]

I do wanna do road vehicles, but its while off

[steep echo]

i used to use them a lot on transport giant

[strange quiver]

ah fairo

tbh I've never really used them in anything

MOPs RVs has a few, but IRL road trains are only used in the proper outback

B-Doubles are allowed in cities though, and are fairly common though

[steep echo]

b doubles?

[strange quiver]

basically a road train like this

[steep echo]

oh that

we get something similar

the SPAR shop in my town gets something like that for deliveries but the cab and first box are not articulated

i think

[strange quiver]

we have that too, and those are more common

but the first segment being articulated is common for highway stuff

[steep echo]

they're not common here at all really

[strange quiver]

there's a bunch of B-double dump trucks passing by my house quite often to haul mud away for sydney metro's tunneling works

[steep echo]

most have no articulation or are a cab with a trailer

but i also live in a somewhat rural place away from any major roads so i dont see that stuff often

[strange quiver]

yh, well by comparison I live in a major city

so that's the difference for you 🙂

[steep echo]

i think we only have 6-7k people xd

smaller than this discord server

[strange quiver]

well Sydney is around 5.5million

so a bit different

[steep echo]

just a bit xd

[strange quiver]

doing a bit of readind and...

maybe I should give aluminium freight wagons a chance of ripping in half in the freight pack

add a bit of realism :3

[strange pivot]

New disaster

[lone minnow]

add broken in half and tipped over aluminum freight wagons as an asset

you can just place them beside a track lol

[lone minnow]

what road vehicles? ( like from which countries? )

would be nice to have some more American or Asian stuff because there are so many European vehicle mods

[strange quiver]

I could...

[strange quiver]

Probably American or Australian ones

[lone minnow]

would be funny and honestly really useful for a lot of things

disaster scenarios, scrap yards...

[strange quiver]

yeah, well if I ever do objects, I'll do it

[mental musk]

british?

It is just an boxcab, an shape that was and is used all eround the globe

[strange quiver]

random question, but has anyone got any good sources on American or Australian freight wagons?

or specific suggestions?

I'm sussing out rosters now

[mental musk]

http://paintshop.railfan.net/

[strange quiver]

oooh

[strange quiver]

gonna do what I can do to include this little baby man

little baby tanker full of bromine :3

[signal gate]

there are other shorty tank cars also

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I'm not gonna do as many as there are in horse

Australia and the US only have a handful of sizes for freight wagons, so adding a random tiny one will make it noticeable

I'll pair it with this guy tho

baby tank car versus giant, oversized one

[strange quiver]

also this gives "don't speak to me or my son ever again" energy

don't speak to me or my son ever again

[strange quiver]

doing research on the L class, because I'm easily distracted, and god they're good looking

interestingly enough, they'd apparently remove one of the pantographs every so often for maintenance

so some would go around with a weird gap where it should be

[signal gate]

if you wait long enough, you can take Moose wagons 😛

[strange quiver]

is this you saying you're gonna finally start moose? 🙂

[signal gate]

'wait long enough'

[strange quiver]

sad 😦

[signal gate]

can't do anything until the cargo classes thing is out of my life

[strange quiver]

at least its nearly done!

I hope

[signal gate]

naming things is always the hardest part

[strange quiver]

yeah, there's a reason all my stuff has weird names

[vestal minnow]

https://youtu.be/JlDFUh0xkSc?si=m0XIWQU6Lsnmd3rO

[dim pulsar]

“Thank you for travelling with VIA”

When Deutsche Bahn started to delay in 2012, someone made a popular music video (language: German) with all content sarcasm of the train company. The last line of lyrics is “senk-ju vor trävelling wis Deutsche Bahn” (some joke on German English accent), and become a classic. Maybe it is time to criticize VIA in such a way?

[strange pivot]

They should put all their train times a bit ahead, then there will be less lateness and people will be happy their train is earlier

[strange quiver]

tbf that's what Cityrail did around 2013

also, got the NSW 81, VLine G, and AN BL class locomotives done

[mental musk]

the gray ones look interesting...

Can You show an photo?

[strange pivot]

Pretty sure this is it

And we would call it grey

[crystal crag]

Grey vs Gray is a regional thing

[steep echo]

Grey is correct

[severe elbow]

it being an oceanian thread kinda says otherwise but it isnt my call so...

[strange quiver]

Random question, but what do you guys prefer?

Clyde/EMD or Goninan/Ge locomotives?

(I had an idea for a fictional design and I need a builder)

[strange pivot]

I think they’re both very good but EMD is more iconic for Australia

[strange quiver]

works for me then :3

[mental musk]

Can we have BR metalurgy sector at home?

We HAVE it!

[untold viper]

COMENG

[strange quiver]

tbh I could for this locomotive...

but I want something more unique

[strange quiver]

here we go

so one of the proposals for the HPT was a Bo-Bo dual segment locomotive, and I thought that was cool

COLP also needed a 90s era passenger locomotive, so here we go

I gave it the designation of "AJT32HD2"

since in idk how specifically to do dual segment locomotives in the EMD export system, since irl they didn't make any

actually I just realised it probably should be B2, since D2 would be 2 D-D multi segment locomotives coupled together

also in canon it has an EMD 12-645F series engine, which is why its 32

[signal gate]

you've made these 😛

[strange quiver]

yeah, but as a dedicated passenger locomotive 🙂

also while I'm at it with fictional locomotives, I might do a version of the BR class 89 but as an XPT

tbh @signal gate I'm surprised this isn't something you've added to horse

[signal gate]

considered it

many things in Horse spritesheets

[strange quiver]

oooooh, you'll have to finish them sometime

one final locomotive for horse

[strange quiver]

did this guy in just candy for now

might do it in more liveries in future, the problem being idk how to do them

I guess I'll do the AN and Vline ones too

[mental musk]

likely in thair system each half would have been an seprate loco

basicly in nearly all twin locos each half can operate authonomoulsy

[strange quiver]

true, although I just copied what I think they did with the NJ class

since they're technichally pairs, so they have the designation JL22C, despite having one cab

[mental musk]

https://news.forumkolejowe.pl/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/277118329_665527444522526_8643041211294120486_n-1024x683.jpg

Note same running numbers, just with A and B suffixes

[strange quiver]

tbf that's its running number, so if they're married it'd make sense that they match

model numbers can be different

[mental musk]

yeah

and railroads classes/series

ET41 is 203E
Which his based on 4E

BTW

EU07 is generic designation to two (but related) types/generations

4E and 303E (numbers 300 and up)

[strange quiver]

oh neat :3

[mental musk]

The differences are minor, but is easy to spot an 303E becouse it has corrugated side panels and 4E has flat

[strange quiver]

fair fair

I do like corrugated side panels

[strange quiver]

there's a reason this sprite has them after all

[strange quiver]

Also I got this guy done

again, only in SRA candy, but I can add more liveries in future

[mental musk]

class 89?

[strange quiver]

its based on the idea

but this is a NSW class 86 crossed with an XPT

it also has a Bo-Bo-Bo wheel arrangement instead of the 89s Co-Co

mostly because I like tri-bos :3

[signal gate]

unused Horse

[strange quiver]

you should add them!

there's something cool about articulated locomotives

[signal gate]

did these instead

[strange quiver]

I'm genuinely tempted to add some to my loco pack

[strange quiver]

fair fair

oh btw, if anyone has any cool ideas for locomotives, I'm all ears

I'm kinda temted to do a quad-bo 86 class

[severe elbow]

NZR Ew class

and a Dj class as well perhaps?

[strange quiver]

oh they're already both on the list, I just haven't been in the right mood to do them

[severe elbow]

ah cool

[mint cargo]

Suggestion of engine, British Rail Class 90, but as export version for Australia.

[strange quiver]

I could, but stylistically it just doesn't fit in tbh

[severe elbow]

that goninan hong kong loco prototype is close enough to a 90

[strange quiver]

true, it is

its also in the 90s era for a passenger locomotive

[severe elbow]

yea concept art for the ktt

[strange quiver]

yeah, it looks really good

tbh I think it was more that Goninan tenders for the carriages, and not the locomotive

since their only experience with electric locomotives was refurbing some QR ones

[severe elbow]

tbf yea

[strange quiver]

but... if they built one for the Australian market, it'd make sense they'd build them I guess?

Downer/Clyde engineering had more experience in the 90s though, but idk

[severe elbow]

idk, the loco seems more goninan than the others

[strange quiver]

yeah, it doesn't need to be realistic, I can basically do what I want

UGL can have an electric locomotive, as a treat

also I might have to make matching passenger coaches, since the electric locomotive and stainless double deck coaches in a good aesthetic

actually, comeng tendered to build coaches for this iirc, I could re-use those...

okay apparently it was in the early 70s, when they were first considering electrifying the line

[strange quiver]

did some more coaches, these ones are based on a PTC tender for new long distance coaches in the late 1970s, that eventually was replaced with the XPT

I would have saved them for later, but I needed the sprite for a video...

[strange quiver]

did an electric version of the G class

tbh I quite like how these look, in game they're only meant to be freight locomotives, but they look good hauling passenger trains too

[finite mountain]

I know you're currently taking a break from American locomotives, but I just thought I would leave the EMD F125 here as a future suggestion cause it's one of my favourite modern locomotives

Along with a few fictional liveries I saw when searching it up

You could maybe also do Australian versions of the F125

Like a fictional imported version

[mental musk]

you can always add an passenger version with higher top speed but lower tractive effort

Like the same loco, but with diffrent final drive

[strange pivot]

bi-mode V/Line Vlocities would fit well too

[strange quiver]

oh its on the list, dw

I'll try and do those liveries, but I'm gonna rethink how I do them from the US loco pack

[strange quiver]

I could, but that's not the sort of thing I want to do with this set

[strange quiver]

I could... although they're diesel hydraulic which complicates things

but I do have an electric version of it on my list though

I have the policy of only introducing train types if they have a replacement, and I don't have enough ideas for dual-mode trains to make a full roster

but... it might be something I add in future, we'll see

[strange pivot]

would be interesting if V/Line bought something other than vlocities

but they are obsessed

[strange quiver]

yeah, I've got a few ideas for what to do though

I know they looked into long distance versions of the Comeng's in the late 80s, but I haven't found much info on them

[strange quiver]

I always think I'm done, and some old guy throws a hand grenade into my plans

apparently this piece of concept art is up in the Sydenham service centre

so now that's a research trip >:///

[signal gate]

that thing is genius

[strange quiver]

it's like an anti-HST, power car in the middle, passenger cars outside

[strange quiver]

update, dug a little bit deeper

turns out the artwork was done by artist Phil Belbin, which implies a connection to Comeng

there's also this text at the top, which I'm not entirely sure what it says?

if you have any ideas, lmk

I also got in contact with a few people who might know, so we'll see

I might add this as a new train to gops...

[strange pivot]

Proposed is the first

[strange quiver]

yeah, the 2nd looks like mainline

[strange pivot]

was gonna say trainline haha

[strange quiver]

idk what the third is, options I've heard are "seating" and "slating"

[strange pivot]

that's what I thought

[strange quiver]

could also be that?

[steep echo]

It looks like proposed mainline seating

[strange pivot]

yeah, seating makes sense because it would probably just be seating passengers in the train

that's how it usually is in australia

[strange quiver]

yeah, but it doesn't make too much sense in context

[strange quiver]

also, good news, I managed to get in contact with a friend of the artist, and the former XPT depot manager, and he confirmed its art of the HPT

[strange pivot]

you have contacts for anything related to trains

[strange quiver]

yeah :3

its the benefits of getting involved in railway history communities

[strange quiver]

now the question is, do I include this in GOPS?....

[strange pivot]

include everything 😡

no one can rest until everything is openttd-ified

[strange quiver]

fine!

I'll put it between the XPT and HPT then

[strange pivot]

but yes, I think it would be an interesting addition

[strange quiver]

maybe it could be some sort of regional design?

[strange pivot]

What do you mean?

[strange quiver]

like its role

I've already got a Intrastate and Interstate HPT

so maybe this one can be the regional HPT

I could also use the cab for an electric version, since their are trains with similar cabs in Germany and Japan

tbh I just like this rounded cab shape

I was considering cutting the QR IMUs, since they're so similar to the SMUs

but then I'd need some 90s era Intercity EMUs...

[civic ether]

The QR ICEs?

They do look like EMUs

[mental musk]

is there an inscription Steanniel 1000 on the 2nd coach?

[finite mountain]

Here's a few more F125 liveries I saw after doing some more searching

[severe elbow]

ive never seen these be compared with each other before lmao

[strange quiver]

oooh, neat

[strange quiver]

their door layout is a bit different, so they'll go in for sure

[strange quiver]

its hard to see, but up close it says StateRail 1000

[strange quiver]

its more visible much closer

[severe elbow]

thats a cool one

and i think thats a buffet coach, not a powercar

engines seem to be below the coaches

[strange quiver]

its a strange design for a buffet car though, and none of the other Comeng buffets for the HPT looked similar

Here's their HPT T4 design, with the buffet having windows all along the side

[severe elbow]

it is a concept drawing afterall

its bound to be different

[untold viper]

I wish that we had proper broad gauge long-distance VLocity sets. It's a shame that the cafe & USB charging are only available on the SG sets

[strange quiver]

yeah, but this was for the final tender, so its gonna be closer to what the final design is like

[strange quiver]

this drawing was from much earlier in the process to my knowledge

its likely its from around 1984-1985, around when the specification was issued

[mental musk]

restaurant coaches often have windows all along the site on one side, and on the other side only at about one hals (usually less)

or maybe, it's an luggage coach?

The door seems wider than doors on other coaches!

[strange quiver]

could be, but again, I'm not sure

also good news, today I had a job interview and it went well

I also got invited to a panel interview with the sydney morning herald, which should be fun

[signal gate]

jobs, they're a trade off 😛

on the one hand, money, and if the job is good, intrinsic reward

on the other hand...less time for drawing pixel trains

[strange quiver]

yeah 😦

I don't think the Australian government will want to pay me to draw pixel trains either...

[signal gate]

seems implausible

[strange quiver]

I can dream

[mental musk]

maybe for an internet timetalbe showing train's formations?

icons that represent diffrent types of coaches, like 1st and 2nd class, open plan and compartment, seating and sleeper?

Something like vagonweb.cz

[strange quiver]

probably not, our stuff is pretty simple anyway

and they've already got artists who do it :3

[mental musk]

Meanwhile PKP using an computer system called KURS 90 (yes, 90...) for seat reservation till this day

[strange quiver]

idek what ours is called

it's probably a guy at Central called bruce

[vestal minnow]

https://youtu.be/Vkz6X8uhA0E?si=IiS0WSFItFaKpR1j

[strange quiver]

ooooh, that's interesting

[vestal minnow]

Watched some orient express videos, about both the original and new ones and thought it would be cool to have a North American version

[strange quiver]

I'm sure I could add cars with that livery to the US set

[strange quiver]

do you like fixed wheel base coaches? well good news, GOPs now has them

idk why NSW had to buy 8 wheel coaches, but they're weird so they go in the set

[mental musk]

8 wheel non-bogey coaches?

The 2 middle axles had to be mounted in an way so tahy could pivot on sides just as the middle axle on 6 wheel coaches?

[severe elbow]

probably just didnt have flanges

[strange quiver]

yee

[strange quiver]

they did!

you can see the flanges here

[severe elbow]

ah

[strange quiver]

yeah...

these cars are just straight up weird too

they were designed for the blue mountains line, so there's a good amount of leeway for those centre axles

[strange quiver]

final set of generic coaches I'm going to do, but now I've got the early American coaches done

I was going to do these only as suburban carriages, but they were used for basically everything back in the day

it was only in 1890 when the dedicated suburban coaches were built

researching and implementing early stuff is a pain because its not clear at all 😦

[strange quiver]

also I'm thinking about that fusion set idea I mentioned a while back

I reckon for the mid-atlantic one I'll do a weird hybrid between the Tube and NYC subway cars

some of the deep level tube trains would look quite cool in stainless steel imo

[vestal minnow]

Australian trains done? Excited to see you begin the North American trains!

[strange quiver]

oh no, this is just me writing out the docs for future sets while I procrastinate editing 😦

[untold viper]

N-type carriages not done :O

[strange quiver]

I did them ages ago!

I just lumped them in with the Z-types since they're near identical

[untold viper]

And you didn't think to tell me 😳

[strange quiver]

you didn't ask 😦

that's the latest version if you wanna take a look

and if you want locomotives to go with them

[vestal minnow]

Oh ok

[vestal minnow]

Yeah will take a look at the new update when I have a chance

Gotta love job applications and not hearing back from most of them

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[vestal minnow]

I finally have an interview on Wednesday

[strange quiver]

hopefully I hear back from some of the ones I've applied for

heard back from one solely because they canned the position >:/

[strange quiver]

good luck!

[vestal minnow]

Same here government budget cuts mean the position was cancelled if it’s a government job

Thank you!

[strange quiver]

I think in my case it was they just put out the wrong details or something

since they opened another very similar one right after

[vestal minnow]

Hm ok

You can reapply again?

[strange quiver]

oh I plan to

[mental musk]

Just as I thought

[strange quiver]

VR L class done, I also put it in the modern VLine liveries because that's fun :3

[mental musk]

Accually looking really good in tham!

will you do the pink/yellow one too?

and...

Where is company colour/generic?

[strange quiver]

yee, I just need to sus out how I wanna do it

[strange quiver]

they're all company colour

[mental musk]

Great!

You basicly are making 2CC trains 2.0

[strange quiver]

I have a livery index that lists all the liveries I could find, so I can standardise how they're done

and I just haven't sussed out how I wanna do some line the current PTV livery yet

[strange quiver]

at least for Australian trains

[mental musk]

most likely it will be kitch

Just as on every train

https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQrSgDVkqZ6lPV-srQkIuADbRNuAapWJurgKJr0HGNLJ0LhraLZ-8IeDYoQAT_Ggui8vLrbmI1BFzl1czl0TqW3AEcWdPAvMqbu1ncCS6kUe95wCNUIxSuA3Dv1uFxUrWP0Z3Yfwoy5Q/s1089/A_C3660_Candy_Elcar_Brad_Peadon.JPG

What type/class of loco is this?

[strange quiver]

its a Standard suburban car but converted into a parcel motor

I still need to draw them at some point, I just wasn't sure how I wanted to go about them

[signal gate]

that's an ultimate train

all parcel motors automaticlly MVP

[strange quiver]

agreed

I might do some this weekend tbh

[signal gate]

obliged to paste this, even though it's nothing to do with PGT

[strange quiver]

its weird that those parcel vehicles have the small passenger style doors

most parcel motors and vans here tend to have a few, large doors

[signal gate]

they are double

[strange quiver]

are or are just based on existing goods wagons

[strange quiver]

true, the windows just threw me off

[signal gate]

can't find a single picture with open doors, but eh 🙂

[strange quiver]

you can just make assumptions

also one thing I love about parcel motors here is they always painted big slogans on them

[signal gate]

neat

[strange quiver]

also they did this weird thing where they had dedicated parcel vans to attach to the rear of DMUs and EMUs

they normally carried parcels in the crew compartment, which is why our stuff tend to have full width cabs with separate doors

but if they needed to carry more they're just add a parcel van

also they had 4 wheel ones they put behind CPH's

[signal gate]

whole website section about UK version of it 🙂 https://www.railcar.co.uk/topic/tail-loads/other-regions

[steep echo]

I learned about parcel motors only recently

I have one on my to do list

This

[strange quiver]

Oooooooh

[strange quiver]

Those things are weird

[steep echo]

How so?

[strange quiver]

Idk

[steep echo]

Xd

[strange quiver]

Sbb stuff tends to just be a bit weird

[steep echo]

Fair

They’re just kinda normal to me

British, Danish, German and Swiss trains are the “default” in my mind

Well, less Danish, DSB does a lot of weird shit

[strange quiver]

tbf most people find the railways they're not knowledgeable about weird

also, breaking news

filming in the sun, on a 37c day, is not a good idea

I am burnt

[strange pivot]

hot in sydney too?

I was playing tennis this morning

for three hours

[strange quiver]

yeah 😦

[strange quiver]

that does not sound pleasant :/

[strange pivot]

at least my team is in the grand final now 😀

[turbid bronze]

we had a cool change today

i went out drinking

[strange pivot]

I think a storm is coming within a few hours

or some rain at least

[strange quiver]

I suppose that makes it worth it then!

congrats!

[strange quiver]

Maybe I should do the same

oh god I have terrible news

https://arhsnsw.com.au/product/clyde-the-diesel-era-1948-2000/

the book on clyde engineering I've been waiting for a while is coming out 😦

be prepared for more weird prototypes in the loco pack I guess

[mental musk]

did thay made electric locos too?

[strange quiver]

Kinda?

they worked with Walkers Limited on a few, but Clyde normally stuck to diesel locomotives

[mental musk]

still, most likely a lot of designs mentioned in that book

maybe evan some that never were build!

[strange quiver]

that's what I'm after >:3

I know there's a few that were proposed, but never made it to production

[mental musk]

I do really like thair logotype!

[strange quiver]

yeah, Australian manufacturers all had really good branding

I absolutley love the Clyde engineering builders plates

they go so hard

I should try and get one

Also I need to draw the proposed A32D

[mental musk]

I assume swing action on axles or steering axles?

4 axle bogeys...

and thay say that 3 axle non-radial bogeys change curves into sets of streights...

that's why B0-B0-B0 was in the 90s considered superior to C0-C0

It was considered to be the wheel arrangement of the locomotives of tomorrow/21st century

And what?

[signal gate]

do one with verandas

[mental musk]

hood unit?

[strange quiver]

probably not

these were for the trans-australian line

and it has maybe 3 curves over a stretch of 2000km?

[strange quiver]

that'd just make the Australian big blow

[strange quiver]

don't give me ideas...

[strange quiver]

proposed PTC suburban/interurban DMUs done

these were proposed in the early 80s for Newcastle, Wollongong and country branch line service, but the other never happened

I don't really need them for GOPS though, since there's plenty of DMUs like them in the set already, but I need them for a video so here they are

[strange quiver]

sometimes they just lashup whatever they want together

I'd almost be tempted to include it in GOPS, if it weren't such an outlier

[strange quiver]

Is it a boxcar, is it a hopper?

its apparently a grain hopper

[signal gate]

graino mate

[strange quiver]

I hate that I can imagine someone saying that

[strange quiver]

okay so this was converted from an ABCY wagon, which was a normal goods van, just built in Belguim for some reason?

[signal gate]

looks european, the side pressings

early grain hoppers seem to have been van-like http://www.jimmcgeown.com/Wagon Kit Pages/LNER Bulk Grain Hopper Wagon.html

[strange quiver]

very true

[strange quiver]

not so much in Australia actually, seems most of our early grain hoppers were based on open wagons

here's quite a common design from NSW

[signal gate]

run what you brung

[strange quiver]

that just sounds like something I'd be asked at Mt Druitt station

omg I love these coke hoppers

[strange pivot]

it's like two short hoppers merged

also, is the V/Line N class any sets? with PTV branding

[strange quiver]

its not, I started drawing it, just never finished it though

I should probably finish it tbh

I'm just lazy

[strange pivot]

Alright, wanted to use it with n coaches

[strange quiver]

all good, I plan on finishing it soon-ish, so you won't have to wait long

I've just been distracted/lazy

[strange pivot]

That’s ok, happens to me too

For now I’ll stick with mk2

[strange quiver]

Mk2? wdym?

[strange quiver]

also I've been going through and trying to work out how I wanna categorise freight stock, and I've decided on a generation system like in Iron horse

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VtEN66XVzq9dIkQqajWZ8BK3tBueRZrcam0vQDFarAE/edit?usp=sharing

it still needs to be fleshed out, but this is vaguely how I'm going to do it

[signal gate]

makes you a lot of work drawing 😛

[strange quiver]

yeah, but I'm not stranger to it 🙂

[signal gate]

I had a thing about 'gen 5 needs to look different to gen 4' etc

life got better when I stopped caring about that 😛

[strange quiver]

yeah, I think I'll have to try and avoid making myself do that

but there's enough variety to go around, so it should be pretty easy anyway

e.g. the old 70s era wagons look quite different to modern ones thankfully

[untold viper]

PTV Livery

Mk2 Livery

[strange quiver]

oh fair, idk my PTV liveries

[strange quiver]

in the code I just call that one VlinePass2

Oops! All Bogies!

[mental musk]

looks like an european calcium transport wagon

https://tozk.pl/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Wapniarka-Sddw.jpg

https://dcc24.eu/sites/default/files/images/Roco_56080.jpg

[signal gate]

CC_COVERED_BULK 😛

[mental musk]

indeed

[strange quiver]

Yh, I see it tbh

[strange quiver]

The Sydney Bus Museum just unveiled their newly restored State Rail coach and aaa

the desire to do matching coaches to go with GOPS is increasing...

but I need to focus on other projects first

[frosty sand]

🇺🇸❔

[strange quiver]

I do wanna do American RVs at some point

but this one was an Australian built Denning design

[frosty sand]

Oh I was joking about “other projects” 😉

[strange quiver]

oh, yh, the North American rail stuff will be worked on first

I'm not gonna start any other projects until GOPS and the Loco pack are close to done

If I don't do that, I'll have a hundred projects with just one item in them each 😦

[frosty sand]

Heheh I get that

[earnest meadow]

ah yes

3 amber clearance lights

[strange quiver]

oh?

context?

[strange quiver]

yh, what about them?

[earnest meadow]

they're not required outside of north america and overseas buses usually have them just to seem "north american"

[strange quiver]

they could be a regulation here too, since a lot of buses have them

[earnest meadow]

nowadays buses in australia have 2 white "european" markers towards the roof denoting the front

[strange quiver]

ah yh, I see now

interesting

[earnest meadow]

probably purely for decoration

[strange quiver]

more than likely

[mental musk]

as far as I know thay are reuired in Russia (and maybe other CIS countires) for * heavy duty trucks capable of pulling an trailer or semi-trailer*

[strange quiver]

new coaches done, this time the 1870s era Ashbury coaches

I forgot to load horse, so they get to go with an L class

[strange pivot]

very nice, I'm copying that

why do you have green depot things?

[strange quiver]

because I'm using OpenGFX2

[strange pivot]

oh is that OpenGFX 2

I noticed the trees

[strange quiver]

yee, that'd also be a giveaway :3

[strange quiver]

did the VR R-Type coaches too

again, because I need them for a video

I'll do more VLine liveries in future, I'm just lazy

also plain silver works well with NSW stuff

[mental musk]

that orange diesel loco looks a lot like old SJ electric loco

https://i0.wp.com/ztrainsweekly.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/DSCF5964.jpg

[steep echo]

SJ Ra

[mental musk]

it looks a lot like an NOHAB in electric version LOL

[steep echo]

Yeah

[glossy compass]

It reminded me of the "Great Northern" TMY

[steep echo]

Oh yeah

[vestal minnow]

https://youtube.com/shorts/tOy-VVnAnII?si=sBiFuDxKR7Q5s4T6

[strange quiver]

well they both have bulldog noses

[severe elbow]

and are orange

[strange quiver]

decided to do the 48 class, and I never realised just how small they are compared to the larger mainline locomotives

Never speak to me or my son ever again >:/

[strange quiver]

48 class done :3

they pair well with larger locomotives, but they do have the side kick aesthetic

[strange quiver]

doing a bit of research on steam locomotives, and wtf was wrong with NZR

how the hell is this a shunting locomotive?

they legit went "our current shunters are too small, fuck it, make a handful of massive ones"

[strange pivot]

It’s bigger than some mainline VR locos

[strange quiver]

tbh I think it just appears big

if you compare it to a mainline goods locomotives of the NSWGR or VR, they're all double the weight and tractive effort

[signal gate]

UK had some chunky shunters https://www.lner.info/locos/T/t1.php

[strange quiver]

oooh

[signal gate]

https://www.lner.info/locos/S/s1.php

[strange quiver]

tbh I don't think an Australian railways operated any large shunter tank engines like that

they mostly used the same classes that were designed for country branch lines, so they all had tenders

also NZR appaarently saw the razor trains in half life and decided to buy a bunch

[frosty sand]

Those look so cool

[mental musk]

speaking about XXL sized sunters,

Maybe there were accually roadshunters?

[lone minnow]

It's the yeshab now

[strange quiver]

yeah 🙂

[strange quiver]

wikipedia doesn't mention them doing any mainline freight

but it does mention them handling occassional wellington suburban trains for some reason?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NZR_C_class_(1930)

[strange quiver]

I wanna draw another Australian/Kiwi locomotive, but I can't decide what

has anyone got a request?

[strange pivot]

N Class PTV livery!!!

[strange quiver]

fine!!!

also next time I need a shot of an N class, you should let me steal that :3

[strange pivot]

Yeah cool driver

Also, they are being leased to SSR so they a freight and pass loco

[strange quiver]

I know, but I'm going to leave them in the passenger category, since thats what they were designed as

also because if I don't, I'd have to follow that same rule for everything else, and then everything bar the XPT power cars would be in the mixed traffic category

also I did that weird HPT thing in VR liveries

N class time

[strange pivot]

Oh I didn’t know, they will start working for my company today too

[strange quiver]

wdym?

[strange pivot]

Those HPTs

Are those liveries released?

[strange quiver]

no, but you can have the test grf

[strange pivot]

If so I’ll buy some in my game

[strange quiver]

I should probably do them in countrylink schemes too tbh

[strange pivot]

👀

Nice

[strange quiver]

:3

[untold viper]

FUCK YES

[strange quiver]

friends :3

[dim pulsar]

This looks old

[strange quiver]

they're not that old

they're only just reaching their 40th birthday

[dim pulsar]

40 yo locomotives, if not scrapped, would be some highlights of trainspotting in China, since they are somehow rare today.
Some local railways still use them to haul passengers, but most of them are used for local freight and shunting.

[strange quiver]

yeah, we don't have emissions standards, so we tend to use locomotives until they literally break

the N classes are going to freight now that they're not needed for passenger trains

so they'll probably be around for another 20-30 years

[dim pulsar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Railways_DF4
specifically

[strange quiver]

wait they were producted until 2007?

I don't think any Australian locomotives had a 40 year production span

[dim pulsar]

Even in 2020s, there is some unofficial information that DF4 is still being minorly produced…

And there are some trials on hydrogen locos which is again based on DF4

[strange quiver]

I suppose its fine if you have enough of them

iirc I remeber hearing about some being made for export to ethiopia or something?

[strange quiver]

also since I'm doing the N class, might as well do the other boy too

I feel kinda sorry for GML10, clearly clyde wanted VLine to buy it, but they never did and they sent it to Queensland

presumably to get ripped apart by crocodiles

[strange quiver]

livery time

[mental musk]

most likely for industral railroads and for the military...

And maybe for subdivisons of state railraods operating in extra harsh enviroments like Majuhria or so

These guys just need simple, robust, durable and easy to repair technology

[mental musk]

that's just how it schould have been!

and yeah, lines going through major cities with large population schould be electrified

overhead wire > emmision standards

but on brench lines, and most of industral railroads and non-trunk rular lines it is not economical to electrify, so diesels are there the only viable option (||minus accummulators/storage batteries||)

[strange quiver]

the boys are done! and GML10, alone, just as it is IRL 😦

I've got more liveries I wanna do for them, but that's enough for tonight

[strange pivot]

Have you done these PH power vans? They complete the N Classes

[strange quiver]

I have not, but there really wouldn't be any purpose to them in game

I plan on doing to D type luggage vans tho

[strange pivot]

Eyecandy, but I can use other freight wagons from other sets and it will be close enough

[strange quiver]

Fair fair

Well when I do the D vans, they look similar enough

[strange quiver]

got bad news for you guys

I got offered a job 😦

so updates might slow down a fair bit

[turbid bronze]

ahahahahahaha

congrats though!

[strange quiver]

thanks!

now I have to sort out so much paperwork and other random stuff so aaa

[frosty sand]

Congratulations!

[finite mountain]

Nice!

[vestal minnow]

Congratulations!

I have interviews yesterday and later today wish me luck

[soft stump]

That's great!

[strange quiver]

good luck!

[vestal minnow]

Thank you! Just finished the second interview, hope both went well

[strange quiver]

good to hear :3

also, I was going through Popular Mechanics, November 1983, and found this

apparently it was an idea for a Shinkansen line in California to open by July 1987

which would explain where this Shinkansen design came from...

[strange quiver]

start dates set for the 6th of jan, so I've got time for more openttd stuff >:3

[steep echo]

based

[red stump]

Hm, LA to San Diego

That would have been nice

[strange quiver]

yeah, but no 😦

no cool fast trains for you

[mental musk]

dual cenentary?

Three phase network?

[mental musk]

It does look like the old AE100 series train from some sort of an private japanese railway

[strange quiver]

its probably just an artistic depiction, so not %100 accurate

[mental musk]

as far as I know some DC (? or maybe non 3 phase AC?) lines in Japan use dual wires on high-traffic sections for some crazy reasons

[strange quiver]

oh fair, I've not heard of them tbh

[lone minnow]

"Coming"
proceeds to never arrive

https://tenor.com/view/bounce-false-advertising-fake-false-gif-26027750

[strange quiver]

Having a lazy day, anyone got any Australian/Kiwi locomotive/passenger car requests?

[steep echo]

did you do the MZ III?

and all the melbourne EMUs?

[strange quiver]

Ive done the Melbourne emus, but mot the MZIII

I'd be tempted to do it, but I don't think I'm in the specific mood for it today

[steep echo]

i get that

ive just been coding vehicles in

but not drawing them

for a month or more

plenty for me to draw xd

[strange quiver]

yh, fair

tbh I'm thinking I might just do more liveries

or maybe the NSW 40 class, or WAGR X class

might do the 40 actually, since NARS add-on has a sprite for it, which is odd since these were mostly built for export?

apparently SOO line bought 3 tho

I guess the RSC3 going into my export pack list then

[severe elbow]

Ew class?

[vestal minnow]

I love the ability to customize liveries, made imaginary versions of your commuter trains in GO or West Coast Express colours

[strange quiver]

I could...

[strange quiver]

yee, that's why I do everything in company colours :3

it's wild that VR bought SD40 based locomotives, and then used them to hauled 4 wheel wheat wagons

VR was strange

[vestal minnow]

VIA if it operated EMUs

[strange quiver]

yeah... if only 😦

[strange pivot]

I never knew C classes were based on SD40's

you learn something new every day

[strange quiver]

well that's what the model number of GT26C means :3

[mental musk]

looks like Czech's Cityelefant

[mental musk]

was the EMD's naming scheme an scheme?

Or just slapping random names like VR and some railways do

Eg. What's after an F3?

||F7 of course...||

[strange quiver]

well it changed a lot on the domestic market, but the number always refered to a platform

that's why the F7, GP7, and SD7 are internally the same locomotives, the first two letters just refers to the carbody

it's also why the F40C/F40PH and GP40/SD40 have the same engines

on the export market, it makes more sense, with the first letter designating the body type (G for hood unit, A for cab unit, J for dual-cab), followed by either L for light frame locomotives, or T for turbocharged locomotives, and then the number refers to the engine

either 6, 8, 12 or 16 based on the number of cylinders, and they stay the same if its a 567 series engine, but then you add 10 for a 645 series engine, 20 for the 645F series, and 30 for the 710 series

and then the next letter indicates the wheel arrangement (e.g. C for a Co-Co locomotive), and then the others are just whatever

E.g. a VR C class is actually GT26CW since its broad gauge, and the W stands for Wide

[mental musk]

what gauge specifilly?

russian? Spanish?

[strange quiver]

5ft 3in irish gauge

[mental musk]

Wanna hear an joke about gauges?

[strange quiver]

sure?

[mental musk]

OK

The construction of the first railway in russia is about to start:

Workers: We will be building normal or wide tracks?

Engeneer: But why so wide?

So thay have build Why so wide

@strange quiver

[strange quiver]

I don't get it 😦

[mental musk]

the engeneer said that there is no point of building so wide.

but thay misunderstood that and constructed why so wide

BTW

There is an anegdote

that before the construction of the first line in russia someone went to UK to measure the gauge

But instand of measuring between middle of rails

He measured between the OUTSIDES

[strange quiver]

oh no :3

although tbf, we know why the russians chose 5ft gauge, its because they were consulted by the Southern Railway in the US, which used 5ft gauge

[mental musk]

interesting....

Before WW1 most of lines in USA were converted to standard gauge

but not all

one runned on russian gauge till 90s

whan used locos from it went to Estonia LOL

[strange quiver]

neat :3

[frosty sand]

I’m not aware of any 20th-century broad-gauge lines in the US, besides trolley lines. Do you know the name of the railroad?

[mental musk]

https://railgallery.ru/photo/01/33/89/133891.jpg

[strange quiver]

someones far from home

[soft stump]

spiderman?

[strange quiver]

:/

[strange quiver]

I love life moving fast

good news, I now have less work to do, bad news, I'm moving in like a week so aaa

idk how many sprites I'm gonna be able to get done in the near-ish future

[strange quiver]

okay good news, editing for that HSR video is mostly done, I just need to add maps and sprites so aaaa

I'm gonna draw that EW class that Luke requested

and maybe the MZIII

I got news I'm graduating my Bachelors in planning with distinction so I'm in a good mood

[vestal minnow]

Congratulations!

[strange quiver]

thanks :3

[crystal crag]

Congrats on all the good news lately!!!

[strange quiver]

thanks!

I don't enjoy everything happening all at once tho

[dim pulsar]

Wow

Good work, and you managed to get a job without going master ;D

[strange quiver]

its actually pretty common in my field

the masters program at my uni is setup with the expectation that you'll be working during it

at least it is for planning

[signal gate]

master is very rare in UK

except for specific vocations

[strange quiver]

same here in Australia, but I'm going into one of those rare fields

[dim pulsar]

If one wants to develop a career in pure mathematics, they have to stay in the university for at least 10 years 😆

[strange quiver]

yeah... I'm not doing that

if only because math breaks my brain

what a cute little guy

its also funny that this guy has only 1800hp, which is puny

[strange quiver]

couldn't decide what liveries to do, so we get the 1980s era EF livery, NSW State rail, and Australian National

[severe elbow]

is he articulated

[strange quiver]

of course :3

[severe elbow]

yey

i mean my one is alr

[strange quiver]

it's good!

yours actually has more roof detail tbh

I'm always bad at that so I avoid it

[strange quiver]

NZ DF Class done :3

[strange quiver]

NZ DG Class done

these are a lot less powerful then I thought

I thought they were around 1000hp, but no, they only have 750hp

[vestal minnow]

https://youtu.be/SSvzFh-VUrc?si=ex1hMcAdWk_jIlfx

[strange quiver]

I still need to draw them

I was tempted to go for the first trip, but I cbf going to Newcastle at 5am

[strange quiver]

NSW 85 Class done :3

[vestal minnow]

How did you get this bright brown shade to appear? I like this shade but can't seem to get it to show

[strange quiver]

Its the colour mauve in the newcc set

[vestal minnow]

Mauve? Let me see

Looks more purplish to me

[crystal crag]

You need the NewCC GRF

[strange quiver]

Yee, it changes the base company colours

[steep echo]

Because it is

[vestal minnow]

Oh ok will check it out

[finite mountain]

Do you plan on making the Sydney Metro styled Alstom Metropolis at some point?

[strange quiver]

yee, its on the list, I'm just lazy

[vestal minnow]

Yup got it!

[mental musk]

Alstom metropolis...

Also used in Warsaw

https://www.htp.org.pl/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/Metorpolis-18-na-STP-Kabaty.jpg

[strange quiver]

before vs after spending time in Australia

me too 1438, me too

[steep echo]

Xd

“Oh look a penny”

Wait

That looks like an An

Rare

[strange quiver]

a rare?

[glossy compass]

An is a local first class coach

[strange quiver]

oh, neat

[steep echo]

14 were made

[mental musk]

most likely it spotted some local fauna

Are cangaroos larger than mooses or deers?

Some are quite large!

[steep echo]

The other carriages are Bn of which 267 were made, making the An comparatively rare)

[mental musk]

looks a lot like polish 120A type

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Wagon_120A.jpg/2560px-Wagon_120A.jpg

[steep echo]

Kangaroos are human size i think, but better built

[mental musk]

are coaches with doors at 1/3rd and 2/3rd considered complaining UIC Y standard?

Thay seem to have the same length as UIC Y standard pullmann coaches like 111A or Goerlitz YB

24,5m

[steep echo]

I’ve heard that the An and Bn are uic y and I’ve also heard that Poland uses a lot of uic y

They’re the same length as the A and B which are uic y yes

[mental musk]

basicly PKP uses only UIC Y and UIC Z

But a LOT of types of each other...

I am not aware of UIC X coaches in Poland

[steep echo]

I’m only learning about carriages

Idk much

[mental musk]

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7335/12326256013_9fa8eba91d_b.jpg

this photo compare polish and german build Y coaches

the german Goerlitz YB has much higher roof

and the ends are wider than polish build coaches...

[steep echo]

Does the green mean second class?

[mental musk]

yes

and yellow stripe means first

[steep echo]

Same as French carriages then

[strange quiver]

DSB class MZIII done :3

interestingly, rn its one of the most powerful locomotives in the set, even considering electrics

[steep echo]

How does it look without newer stuff?

[strange quiver]

well 3800hp+ doesn't become normal in Australia until the late 90s

there are more powerful heavy freight locomotives before/after it though, but I'm not gonna do them for a while

I think the most powerful locomotive from that era I'm including will be the Clyde A32D, which should be around 4500hp in 1967

I just spotted that the A32D actually has twin V16s, not twin V12s as I thought

so it'd be closer to 6000hp or so, on part with the UP Centennials

[turbid bronze]

b i g

[strange quiver]

yeah, Commonwealth railways kept asking for giant goofy designs, but never ordered them

[turbid bronze]

Feel like that really needs to be a 12/8 sprite or something

Bingus

Just a large lad

[strange quiver]

there's even a 6000hp unit for AN that Comeng designed, and was based on their failed design for the DL class

[strange quiver]

yeah, more than likely

I'll have to see if I can find the original blueprint, but I'm guessing IRL it was probably ~25m long or so?

I'm picking up that new book on the history of clyde engineering so I'll see what it has on the A32D

[turbid bronze]

78ft according to that drawing

[strange quiver]

ah, so that's about ~23?

so in the scale I use it'd be 9 long or so

since 8 is for stuff around 20m

[turbid bronze]

Yeah roughly

Round it up to 10/8 probably

[strange quiver]

tbf, I could probably do it in 8, since I've got carraiges that are 23m long that I've done as 8 long

[strange quiver]

maybe, I'll do a mockup to see how it looks

[mental musk]

twin V16....

cylinders-a-lot...

[strange quiver]

also it's not possible for the player to flip anything longer than 8 right?

I've tried doing stuff longer than 8, but it seems you need to do some bodge to get it working

[strange quiver]

yeah...

[turbid bronze]

Yeah you’d have to do flips as variants I think

Worth

[strange quiver]

yeah, I'll work out how to do it

I probably won't include a flipped version tbh, the player can just put up with it

I'll just include the normal "flip the 2nd" locomotive code

[steep echo]

How fast like?

[strange quiver]

probably 115-130?

that's normally the speed limit of CR/AN locomotives

[steep echo]

Bit slower than the MZ

[strange quiver]

yh, but in this set it's speed limit is bumped down to 130

[steep echo]

Damn

[strange quiver]

tbf, I could bump it down to 115, since that's what its speed limit in Australia is

[steep echo]

Could be an option like

Like how the sbb set does it

But you’re quite far in already

[strange quiver]

how do they do it?

and tbf, everything is still pretty wip

[steep echo]

Think it’s params

As Swiss speed limit is around 200

[strange quiver]

oh yh, I see it

nah, that's not really something I'd wanna include

[steep echo]

But that’s shite for the tgv etc

Fair

[strange quiver]

IRL speed limits in Australia are pretty strict, and that's something I wanna reflect in gameplay

also, complete tangent, but there's trend of European manufacturers not understanding Australian railways, and assuming our speed limits are low just for fun

when they were tendering for the HPT, french company ANF offered their turbotrain to the SRA, and told them it was better because it could do 180kph

the SRA rejected it immediatley because 180kph meant it wasn't as capable of accelerating on Australian trackage, and there was nowhere it could reasonably do 180kph

[steep echo]

What’s the thing(s) that limits the speed so much?

[strange quiver]

steep grades, sharp curves, and low track quality

Australia is very sparse, so finding the funding to build the high quality mainlines found in Europe is a lot more difficult, so we have to rely on older lines

and most were built prior to 1920

most of Australias population is also on the East Coast, which is quite hilly

mainline gradients of 1 in 30 or steeper are very common here, and these are also on sharp curves too

so if you want to reasonably design a faster train, you need to make it more like a V8 supercar, that can accelerate/decelerate rapidly and corner faster

as opposed to designing a train that can achieve a high top speed like a dragster or le mans car

that's why the XPT was such a success, that's what the HPT was meant to improve upon, and its also why the SRA took a liking to the X2000 more than the TGV (although they did really like the TGV)

[mental musk]

how fast can the XPT go?

[strange quiver]

160kph in service, but its been tested up to 193kph

[mental musk]

hmmmm

a bit slower to original HST...

[strange quiver]

that was by design, it was regeared so it could accelerate/decelerate faster, and to be better suited to steep grades

the BR staff even asked Comeng if they were joking when they told them about the steepness of the lines they'd be running them on

[mental musk]

in Poland trains going faster than 160km/h are almost non-existance

basicly only trains that operate faster are 12 class ED250 pendolinos

but there are very, very few lines where thay can go faster than 160km/h

most limited expresses go 140-160km/h

[strange quiver]

yeah, most lines here top out at 100kph or so, 160kph is only in some places

[mental musk]

160km/h is still fast

Faster than cars on motorways

[steep echo]

Legally

[mental musk]

and if You ask, EU44 is certified for only 160km/h operation in Poland

Although other railroads use the same type at higher speeds

[strange quiver]

tbf, I know our trains have gone faster without authorisation

back in the day, U-sets gunning it through blacktown at 150kph+ wasn't unheard of

crew would always deny it, but... when a train turns up a lot earlier than expected, it's pretty obvious

[mental musk]

what was an U-Set?

[strange quiver]

single deck interurban train from the 50s

[mental musk]

noice

[strange quiver]

I've already done them for GOPS too

although it's not in any of the live versions

[mental musk]

BTW

Some ex-DSB diesels ended in Poland recently

[strange quiver]

they apparently end up everywhere

[mental musk]

https://ilostan.forumkolejowe.pl/foto/98588.jpg

just as quite a few of dannish and netherlandse diesel railcars...

[strange quiver]

oooh, neat

[steep echo]

Literally ME frfr

[dim pulsar]

Denmark used to be excellent at making trains

[steep echo]

Hahahaha

They weren’t bad at it

But they’ve made and bought a bunch of crap

[vestal minnow]

Wonder what our interurban rail networks in North America would look like if we didn’t close them all by the 1950s

If that was here, it would be serviced by a small two car train

Due to age that train will be retired and the whole line closed altogether due to the anti train attitudes of the day

[strange quiver]

tbf interurban has a different meaning in Australia

you guys would call it regiona rail

or short distance intercity

[vestal minnow]

Oh ok

https://youtu.be/0JEXE-7e-DU?si=deClZo6K0TbGnPpC

This would be the trains here

[vestal minnow]

We don’t have much regional rail other than a few limited corridors

There are two trains a day between Vancouver and Seattle for example but many other places in Canada/US don’t even see one train a day

[strange quiver]

yeah, here that'd be a lot more frequent

and at least in some states, electrified

oh also, has anyone got a particular Australia/Kiwi locomotive they want done?

I can't decide what to draw

[vestal minnow]

Even Montreal to Toronto or Ottawa, you can count the daily frequencies on your hand

No electric trains

[strange quiver]

yeah, it's not great :/

[strange pivot]

Have you done the 4900 class?

[strange quiver]

4900 class?

[strange pivot]

49 sorry

Only want it cause I saw it today

[strange quiver]

oh, I've not done it, but I could

[strange pivot]

It was pulling the ARTC measurement train

[strange quiver]

of course :3

I might do it later today or tomorrow, rn I feel like working on recoding GNARTS again

[strange pivot]

Nice

[strange quiver]

someone posted on facebook a pic of the 2 MZIIIs that got messed up during shipping to Australia

here they are at Carrington, evidently not in the best condition

[strange pivot]

yeah a few of them got scrapped and damaged

[twilit grove]

where was that taken at?

[mental musk]

express streetcars

Like WKD in Warsaw

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warszawa/images/b/bb/WKD.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080911112603

https://media.wplm.pl/thumbs/cd3/NzIweDQ0Mi9jX2MvdV8xL2NjXzQ4NWQ2L3AvMjAyNC8wMS8xMC8xMjAwLzgwMC8wYWY5ZjNmN2ExYzg0ZWNiYTQxM2M3Y2RjMjcwYzZlZS5qcGVn.jpeg

and the age long debate...

Is WKD an railraod line or an streetcar line?

there is also PST in Poznań

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/proxy/fMbOx22hwSbb3N8kVbPVpjbOeT25wWH5QdBQkoDnDkJszOcFq6y56RN7WaywoiqbAXwQGymmhqYMrNkDUqt4iY9krCPbfp4

https://d-art.ppstatic.pl/kadry/k/r/1/d3/ee/588efe31d0870_o_medium.jpg

[strange quiver]

late 70s/ early 80s from the L7 logo on the side

[twilit grove]

reversed image searched it and it was at the north end of wyong with the train heading south

i think

[strange quiver]

probably, I just stole it from google images

[twilit grove]

fair nough

[strange pivot]

Combino! (Also have it in my city)

[mental musk]

indeed, combino!

[untold viper]

I hate them. Garbage seating

[vestal minnow]

Yeah in the downtown area they ran on the same tracks as other streetcars

[mental musk]

there are a lot of interurbans in germany

eg. saarbahn

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/65/Saarbahn_johanniskirche.jpg/800px-Saarbahn_johanniskirche.jpg

[vestal minnow]

I forgot where I saw this but I came across an article that claimed in the 1920s, you could go from the east coast to the rockies just by local interurbans

[dim pulsar]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nottingham_Express_Transit
hmm

[strange quiver]

Finally got my hands on a copy uwu

I hope y'all are prepared for more goofy train designs

[turbid bronze]

yes

maximum goof

[strange quiver]

I skimmed through it on the train, and there are so many goofy things I need to add now

Aaaaa

[strange quiver]

So this is interesting

its the JT42C-AC/JT46C-AC, and was a proposal for a 150/170kph passenger/freight locomotive based on the SD60MAC

it never got built, but... it'd make a good addition

I'm thinking I'll do the 42 as a passenger locomotive, and the 46 as a freight locomotive, and have them be introducted in the late 90s I guess?

[strange quiver]

this artwork is from 89, so really it could be anytime in the 90s

Clyde electric locomotive based on the carbody of a NSW 422 class

Model is JE28C

They lost the contract to Comeng, who would go on to build the 85 class

[strange quiver]

I'm gonna find any excuse to include this guy

it was Clyde's offer for what would become the NR Class

its model number was GT46C, similar to the NSW 90 class, although its more akin to a single cab 82 class but with a 16-cylinder 710 engine

[mental musk]

thay seem to love broken noses...

More soviet style than french though

https://img.linemedia.com/img/s/locomotive-2te-10u---1698226905269529210_big--23032815070739802700.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Owo58nBGfP0/maxresdefault.jpg

[strange quiver]

yee, Clyde really liked that style with the 82 and 90 class for whatever reason

[mental musk]

BTW

Any multiple unit concepts in the book?

[strange quiver]

not really, Clyde only really did locomotives

there are these for what would become the Vline Sprinter, NSW Xplorer, Gold Coast Monorail, a Talgo set

but only the Talgo I might include...

that sprinter maybe? it reminds me a lot of the Amtrak Metroliner cab cars

I'll have to follow up on that Talgo set actually, since the book states clyde worked with them beginning in 1986, and the goal was to run them in NSW

which lines up with their HPT proposal

but the book doesn't go into too much detail annoyingly

this is the response to their tender for the HPT in 1987, so it seems the relationship between Clyde and Talgo broke down between those two dates

maybe Talgo wanted to do it solo?

[mental musk]

talgo

you either love it or hate it

[mental musk]

hmmmm the 2nd one from the top...

I recall seing something similer someday (on an photograph on the internet)

[strange quiver]

yeah, and the SRA was in the "Hate it camp"

Talgo kept offering them trains, and every time they were told no

and knowing what Talgo is like, and what their trains are like, I really don't blame them

[strange quiver]

I've posted a few rejected designs in here iirc?

but those were all Comeng/ABB designs

[mental musk]

nope, someghing like that was really buid, but not in Australia

perheps aven a couple of designs with similer front ends

[mental musk]

a f-lot of unique patended tech?

that you cannot fix with an sladegehammer in the middle of nowhere

[strange quiver]

probably, idk

[mental musk]

motreal metro?

[strange quiver]

true, that is also a problem, and arguably why the SRA kept telling them no

[strange quiver]

idk

[mental musk]

btw what's up with the keycaps on the arrowkaysof your keyboard?

[strange quiver]

I bought it from Jb hi fi because it was cheap

so they've worn off from playing openttd

[strange quiver]

Clyde JE28C done :3

this is that proposed Clyde electric locomotive based on the 422 class

[mental musk]

there is something wrong with the last livery

[strange quiver]

What? No? You're just imagining things :3

[mental musk]

I sould make an pixelart quality inspector licence

to put it in various forums whan I sopt error