yeah yellow gold
#ot｜watches
ebon peak
you can't get a stainless steel sports lange? 😄
normal cave
that’s the Odysseus
which is actually made of stainless steel
their CEO called it “shocking” when the proposal first came to him lol
normal cave
lmao
ebon peak
the only ones i've seen that are like, even half decent is maybe Rolex and Tudor
and they're the richest watch company so that makes sense
but like, most of them are so badly organised
wow it finally loaded
uh
where springbars
why integrated 😠
ew look at the leather and the rubber
normal cave
yeah I don’t know why they sell the straps in leather/rubber
this is a stainless steel watch, stick with the traditional wristband
ebon peak
do you think that it's compatible with Swatch straps?
normal cave
I don’t think Lange would appreciate that but I think you’ll be able to fit them on
normal cave
oh these ones, nope
ebon peak
shame
normal cave
Lange’s edge pins are wider
normal cave
even with Lange’s attempts to make this a “sports watch” it just doesn’t feel right if you label it as one
ebon peak
I mean compare it to like, the least tool-y sports watch Rolex make, which I'd argue is the OP
normal cave
it’s another high-end one from Lange, which they’ve decided to label as a sports watch to cater to a larger crowd
as a consequence Lange wasn’t able to sell many of these
normal cave
yep
I think Lange have carved out their place in the market
they should stick in there
ebon peak
https://mediastorage.richemont.com/damdatastore/PrD/als/23/09/2309645.png
yeah it's not exactly jeans and a teeshirt is it
normal cave
yeeeep
ebon peak
more polo, chino shorts
normal cave
it’s a rich sportsman’s watch
even then, still feels wrong to classify that as a sports watch
normal cave
traditional tennis on a grass court with wooden rackets and white everywhere
those types of vibes
normal cave
have him chauffeured
ebon peak
you have your own court at home
normal cave
or yeah that
but yeah, you won’t see Lange bragging too much about their Odysseus
mainly because they weren’t able to sell many of them
ebon peak
It's the kind of watch you would wear to Wimbledon but facts are Wimbledon is in London and you don't want to get mugged
normal cave
like I’ve said, Lange have carved out their niche in the watchmaking community and in the market
trying to sell old rich watch collectors a sports watch is pretty out of place, and it’s in that price range where it does cater to old rich watch collectors only
despite their “accessibility” goals and stuff
obtuse grove
not necessarily a fan but damn that's an intricate dial
median stirrup
loud coral
Welcome
ebon peak
If I were to get the opportunity to own a Rolex (lol)
The only ones I think I'd actually want to own are the OP41, No Date Sub, Milgauss, or Explorer I
I like having a date on my watches but I hate the cyclops
loud coral
I'm a huge Day-Date II guy
ebon peak
loud coral
Very cliché, I know
normal cave
ah the Milgauss with its iconic arrow seconds hand
loud coral
You know, I've always loved the orange second-hand on the Milgauss
loud coral
with the fluted bezel?
Yeah
ebon peak
ironically a) not the best watch for anti-magnetism by a long way and b) pretty sure it's the same case and movement as the Air-King so not even special in how anti-magnetic it is in the Rolex line lol
But it's just cool
The green glass, the fact no one's ever really heard of it
And it's got just enough character to feel special, but it's still very wearable like the OP and the Ex1
loud coral
I've always wanted a Cellini as well
normal cave
whenever I see the Milgauss I’m reminded of this ornament on WW2 planes
ebon peak
I've always wanted a Cellini as well
You definitely like the absolute opposite end of the Rolex catalogue to me lmao
You're like, full dress watch
I'm like, full tool watch lmao
loud coral
Lol
Even now, I only have dress watches
The closest thing to a utilitarian watch that I have is my Bremont
ebon peak
I own three divers and a pilots watch
normal cave
I own a Seiko diver
ebon peak
it's a dressy pilots watch but it's still a pilots watch lmao
and i wear it on a nato just to like, dress it down even more
loud coral
This absolute beauty
loud coral
I'm tryna get a chain strap for it
loud coral
Because obviously, BRIGHT orange doesn't really go with everything
loud coral
Wonder what your Hamilton would look like on one
loud coral
That is hot
ebon peak
tbh it doesn't work as well as the nato
you don't see pilots watches on meshes, it's just not the done thing
loud coral
Since it's a narrow bezel as well, I think it looks solid
ebon peak
plus i think the mesh i got is a little too, blingy
if it were a brushed finish i think it'd help a lot
loud coral
Kinda reminds me of an IWC ngl
ebon peak
like uh idk if you've seen the james bond speedmaster in person?
but the mesh that comes with that is great, i think it's Ti
loud coral
Prolly for sale on eBay if you look hard enough
normal cave
I bought this for a pretty good price, it was around 250€ and it’s never failed me in 4/5 years
but obviously I might need to buy another/upgrade soon
ebon peak
btw sorry i meant seamaster obviously lol
normal cave
not because the watch is bad, because I kinda want some change
loud coral
but obviously I might need to buy another/upgrade soon
Whatcha thinking
ebon peak
Prolly for sale on eBay if you look hard enough
wouldn't wanna put a Ti strap on a steel watch anyway tbh
normal cave
I mean if I had a choice right now I’d go with a Dornblüth
but obviously they’re a little out of range
ebon peak
uh yeah lmao
normal cave
one of these
ebon peak
I love cut off numbers
normal cave
it’s like a Lange but considerably less expensive
ebon peak
although, in no way affordable
normal cave
of course yeah they’re still quite expensive
loud coral
What about a Junghans
ebon peak
i looked up the Quintus 2010.9, it's like €12,000
normal cave
i looked up the Quintus 2010.9, it's like €12,000
the one I showed above, the 99.4 is around 6k €
ebon peak
okay that's a lot closer to reality
i mean still obviously a shit tonne of money, like, literally more than i'm about to spend on a car
normal cave
not affordable, but if I had to choose a watch right now I’d choose that
like 6k is in the Grand Seiko/Omega price range
somehow I find myself finding this watch more appealing than those
loud coral
My favourite German brand the the moment has got to be Moritz Grossmann
The Atum GMT to be specific
normal cave
MG is nice
oh man I really don’t like that dial lol
it’s a nice dial, but I’ll always prefer white and black dials
or salmon, if done right
loud coral
It costs as much as my tuition for two years of pre-U (college), but if I could buy one, I definitely would without hesitation lol
ebon peak
somehow I find myself finding this watch more appealing than those
tbh i bet Dornblüth hold value like a sieve
bet you can get some decent deals used
normal cave
yeah you don’t really buy a Dornblüth to resell it xd
but if someone is, I’ll keep a lookout
ebon peak
yeah, that's the flipside though really
loud coral
I absolute love Lang & Heyne as well, they make one of my favourite quadrilateral dial watches at the moment, the Georg (hehehe @ebon peak )
normal cave
I mean at this point I think Dornblüth isn’t really making too many of their watches
normal cave
I absolute love Lang & Heyne as well, they make one of my favourite quadrilatera...
Dresden watch company based
nimble tiger
I'll throw in a curve ball with a smartwatch
loud coral
I'll throw in a curve ball with a smartwatch
Nice toe
loud coral
Dresden watch company based
M a d e i n S a x o n y
normal cave
speaking of quad watches, the Reverso Hybris Mechanica
nimble tiger
I can make it leather
loud coral
speaking of quad watches, the Reverso Hybris Mechanica
Wow...
normal cave
M a d e i n S a x o n y
yep that’s the i/SA on most watches you’ll see
loud coral
That is absolutely mesmerising
ebon peak
not sure leather would suit it but you do you, whatever floats your boat, horses for courses, etc
nimble tiger
Leather would absolutely not fit a 15 year old
loud coral
speaking of quad watches, the Reverso Hybris Mechanica
Probably retailed for like five times the cost of my car lol
nimble tiger
I'm happy with the plastic
normal cave
how much is the price of your car
loud coral
Leather would absolutely not fit a 15 year old
Never too young for leather
loud coral
how much is the price of your car
111,000 rm (24,000 €)
nimble tiger
Nato?
normal cave
111,000 rm (24,000 €)
try 66.6x the price of your car 
nimble tiger
It's not the alliance right
ebon peak
yes it is
NATO straps were invented by the British military and made standard throughout NATO
ebon peak
They're an easy to fit form of strap which means if one of your spring bars fail, the watch doesn't fall off
nimble tiger
Wait I'm actually gonna Google this
loud coral
And that was retail? @normal cave
normal cave
And that was retail? <@232770059645353985>
that’s what it sold for
ebon peak
so the NATO requires both spring bars or two layers of fabric to fail before your watch falls off
ebon peak
however, I wear a NATO because a) they're stupid cheap and b) they look cool
nimble tiger
Oh it's that strap
ebon peak
...yes
nimble tiger
The uhh
normal cave
I mean, gorgeous watch though
it’s absolutely beautiful from JLC
talk about coming back with a bang
nimble tiger
They're like the backpack straps
normal cave
like for years they introduced nothing great, everyone starting rating them lowly, and they come back with that
mental laurel
broke my watch strap today lollers :DDDDDDD
ebon peak
Oofers
loud coral
Ouef
mental laurel
benny cummy
loud coral
ben cum
mental laurel
ben dick cum ball
mental laurel
broke my watch strap today lollers :DDDDDDD
The belt buckle fell out after a nasty bump
obtuse grove
The belt buckle fell out after a nasty bump
F
obtuse grove
nice watch
mental laurel
nice watch
ebon peak
nice watch
nimble tiger
nice watch
median stirrup
my watch
loud coral
Would be for most 14 year olds. It’s a nice timepiece 🙂
median stirrup
now I'm 18, 200e is huge but not that huge
normal cave
Lange Zeitwerk Perpetual
obtuse grove
hot
mental laurel
Why it go to 31
normal cave
because a month can have 31 days
mental laurel
Does it know when theres a leap year
normal cave
of course
mental laurel
Mad
obtuse grove
Does it know when theres a leap year
ye, perpetual calander
my g shock has one too but obviously a mechanical watch doin it is more impressive
normal cave
since each day has 1440 minutes, so does the Zeitwerk move that amount each day
1440 times each day, for years
obtuse grove
damn impressive
normal cave
yep
obtuse grove
what do they do
Adjust the zeitwerk display ?
or is it a minute repeater
unlikely ig
normal cave
pushers for adjusting the date
normal cave
or is it a minute repeater<:binotto:784077968120348722>
no that’s a separate watch
Zeitwerk Minute Repeater
obtuse grove
ahhh i see
normal cave
pushers for adjusting the date
the one on the right is for hours, one on the left is for the day iirc
and then you can use the crown to just adjust minutes as you wish
normal cave
Arnold & Son Perpetual Moon “Year of the Ox”
that’s a rather large moon phase
I love it though
loud coral
I absolutely love the hand-crafted details on the dial
mental laurel
that’s a rather large moon phase
Your mother has a rather large moon phase
ebon peak
Lange’s Zeitwerk system display changes 1440 times a day
my watch's display changes 518,400 times a day
give or take
loud coral
What’s the watch?
ebon peak
any watch with a 6bps second hand
loud coral
Vacheron Constantin Métiers D'art Mécaniques Gravées — Tourbillon
loud coral
Well then you'll love this
Vacheron Constantin Métiers D'art Les Aérostiers — Bagnols
mental laurel
@normal cave look at my invention
normal cave
<@232770059645353985> look at my invention
ultimate practicality
loud coral
<@232770059645353985> look at my invention
Epic growl
obtuse grove
<@232770059645353985> look at my invention
oh yeah its big brain time
thorn spindle
.av @thorn spindle
midnight cloakBOT
thorn spindle
kinda is... they wake up at the same time... eat at the same time... poop at the same time...
normal cave
I mean I get what you mean
obviously they’re not capable of actually telling time to a degree of precision
normal cave
okay, what the fuck
it’s one of Lange’s most complex watches
you’ve got the perpetual calendar, moonphase, tourbillon, chain and fusée, rattrapante chrono
like I said before, 1319 parts
obtuse grove
it’s one of Lange’s most complex watches
Definitely looks like it
sooo two second hands
they can catch up to one another right
normal cave
Lange describes it as “a basic rattrapante chronograph”
imagine being so god-tier you describe rattrapante chronographs as “basic”
obtuse grove
b a s i c
obtuse grove
imagine being so god-tier you describe rattrapante chronographs as “basic”
yeah that's just flexing at this rate
normal cave
they can catch up to one another right
independently stoppable second hands, and yes they can catch up to each other
normal cave
well it’s not a double split
normal cave
but yeah they move in sync until you press the chronograph stopping button for one of them, and then one stops, and then you can stop the other one
hence the term “separately stoppable”
they move in sync until you stop one of them
getting them to move in sync isn’t that hard, even getting them to stop independently isn’t too tough
obtuse grove
normal cave
the real complication of a rattrapante mechanism comes with the catch-up part
normal cave
well no
normal cave
a flyback just means it “flies back” to 60 when you reset it
normal cave
the main challenge with rattrapante chronos are knowing where the 2nd seconds hand has to catch up with the other seconds hand
it’s really tough to make that mechanism and also really tough to make it reliable
obtuse grove
true
normal cave
because it’s almost like you have to give the 2nd seconds hand its own consciousness
it should know where the other hand is, and then catch up and move in sync
we do this through levers and cams
and some interesting gear ratio stuff
obtuse grove
and then slap a tourbillon and perpetual calander on it cos why the fuck not
normal cave
don’t forget the chain and fusée
normal cave
the chain and fusée is one of the oldest mechanisms to make a watch more reliable
obtuse grove
oh
normal cave
it’s essentially a chain wound around a barrel which unwinds at a specific rate, hence limiting the amount the mainspring can unwind
when a spring is fully wound of course, it just wants to spring open
obtuse grove
it’s essentially a chain wound around a barrel which unwinds at a specific rate,...
oh yeahhh
normal cave
but as it loses energy, it unwinds less
normal cave
yes this leads to uneven distribution of power to the escapement
normal cave
and so by making the mainspring unwind at a specific rate, you’re essentially always ensuring the same amount of power goes to the escapement
normal cave
much the same way a tourbillon exposes the escapement mechanism to the forces of gravity to regulate it all the time, the chain and fusée lets the mainspring unwind at a specific rate
obtuse grove
ooooo
normal cave
yeah, that’s the chain and fusée
it’s just that Lange didn’t bother to show you the chain and fusée mechanism
obtuse grove
Bruh
tbf the dial is already pretty busy
Makes sense
anyways its bed time now
i sleep
have a great rest of your day
and thanks for the info
normal cave
in fact, something interesting about the chain and fusée mechanism is that it’s essentially an infinitely variable gearbox
similar to the one Williams used
obtuse grove
oh yeah it actually does look similar to a cvt
normal cave
it is essentially a CVT
and something epic just for you rocket, is that “fusée” is French for “rocket”
obtuse grove
and something epic just for you rocket, is that “fusée” is French for “rocket”
oh what
well in that case
obtuse grove
so about that g shock i accidentally broke
its back! And its probably never getting repaired
obtuse grove
because to repair it costs half as much as the watch itself
obtuse grove
https://tenor.com/view/crying-black-guy-meme50fps-interpolated-interpolated-cryi...
indeed
here it is
obtuse grove
it looks more beat up that it should have
ebon peak
<@232770059645353985> look at my invention
don't smash your apple watch on your desk challenge
loud coral
1969 Rolex Cosmograph Daytona Paul Newman "John Player Special"
obtuse grove
wow
loud coral
One of the rarest Daytonas ever produced
ebon peak
can't wait for the Swatchtona
loud coral
On auction for an estimated bid of €1.4 million
obtuse grove
can't wait for the Swatchtona
waiting lists for a Cosmoswatch, now that would be funny
ebon peak
The Daytona was originally gonna be called the Le Mans, I do wonder if Big Bill France had anything to do with that not happening
Like the story afaik is just... "Rolex decided to not call it the Le Mans"
mental laurel
swatch x omega moonswatch 
omega x swatch metal mecha swatch 
ebon peak
Couldn't have anything to do with idk, one of the greatest marketers on earth at the time wanting it named after his race event?
Naaah
obtuse grove
Like the story afaik is just... "Rolex decided to not call it the Le Mans"
I remember...i think it was a watchfinder video mentioning this
normal cave
Petronas watch
median stirrup
normal cave
you push a button
obtuse grove
right hand struggles
obtuse grove
you push a button
mind blown
median stirrup
right hand struggles
I always puted my watch on my right hand
As if I write with my right hand
obtuse grove
oh
mental laurel
Based casio enjoyer
ebon peak
how do you operate the chronograph
with your left hand
ebon peak
no more awkward than on your left really
obtuse grove
oh
loud coral
Little flea market grab
mental laurel
Little flea market grab
12 3 6 6
loud coral
9
loud coral
Can't complain much, it has an obscure little Japanese movement and was the equivalent of barely 5 pounds
Got home and rigorously cleaned it
normal cave
yeah that looks like a 6
ebon saffron
Saw a lot of Tudor watches on display at a jewellers earlier
The Pelagos is so blue irl
loud coral
Taking your watch off after a long and tiring day is an underrated pleasure
mental laurel
I take mine off to shower and thats it tbh
If it was waterproof it would probably stay on
ebon saffron
Haven’t got a watch tan yet
obtuse grove
I have
ebon saffron
i love white dial watches at the moment
ebon saffron
i love white dial watches at the moment
ebon peak
See I’ve always thought that one was a little busy
I love the white dial ofc but eh there’s something off proportionally
thorn spindle
ebon peak
Dive… style… chrono??
Side note: if this watch was £500 instead of like £2000 it’d be amazing
obtuse grove
oo that's a nice watch
Dial reminds me of the original cosmographs
except this has only 2 subdials ofc
- date window
ebon peak
oo that's a nice watch
it's apparently super thick though so it doesn't wear super well
obtuse grove
aw :(
ebon peak
plus, again, two grand lol
obtuse grove
it's apparently super thick though so it doesn't wear super well
is that due to it being an automatic movement with a chronograph module slapped on? Instead of it being integrated like Zenith did
obtuse grove
plus, again, *two grand* lol
o o f
ebon peak
super thick, auto doesn't have a domed crystal
obtuse grove
ohh
ebon peak
manual isn't automatic and is barely thinner cuz it does have a domed crystal
obtuse grove
oh
ebon peak
it's a great watch for £700
obtuse grove
2k is quite steep
ebon peak
it's just... it's a £1500 - £2000 watch
ebon peak
legit
it's more
that's a good point
it's a lot more tbf
nearly three times the price
ebon peak
but yeah i mean if you're not married to a chrono
the Black Bay 41 is like £2500 or something
obtuse grove
obtuse grove
o
ebon peak
they're all like £5700
ebon peak
even on the cheap end they're £3000 for a used one
obtuse grove
the Black Bay 41 is like £2500 or something
that's pretty good
ebon peak
the Black Bay 41 (unless they release a 39) is my next luxury watch
obtuse grove
oooo
ebon peak
might take a couple years to save for it but hey
obtuse grove
looks like a good all rounder
ebon peak
and it's like half the price of a OP 41 *at retail *
and you're never gonna get mugged for it
but any watch nerd is gonna notice it
obtuse grove
Truee
ebon peak
and you can wear it with anything
obtuse grove
yess
ebon peak
it's not explicitly a diver or whatever
obtuse grove
it fits everything
ebon peak
suit, jeans and t shirt, whatever
obtuse grove
yeaaa
ebon peak
I need to go try on one tbf, idk if the 41 actually is too big
obtuse grove
I have skinny wrists
ebon peak
they released the Steel and Gold version in 39 this year so i'm pretty sure they're gonna put the steel only in 39 next year
obtuse grove
ooo
ebon peak
36 is just too small for me
loud coral
A Tudor will defo be my next big purchase
loud coral
36 is just too small for me
36 is tiny
ebon peak
it isn't tiny
obtuse grove
38-39 feels like the sweet spot
ebon peak
i'd say 39-41 for me but yeah
loud coral
39-42 for me
ebon peak
my hamilton's a 42 but it wears really small
loud coral
My smallest is a 38 and it disappears when I wear certain shirts
ebon peak
I just think it depends on the watch tbh
loud coral
Yeah, tbf, it is a pretty incognito timepiece so it makes sense
ebon peak
like the 36 mil Explorer probably isn't disappearing
but it's also not like... in the way
ebon saffron
super thick, auto doesn't have a domed crystal
How thick?
ebon peak
ebon saffron
Oh wow that’s thick
ebon saffron
Been looking at white dials a lot and these two are really similar
ebon peak
i mean it's a no-brainer really
if that Tag's bezel rotates
look at it with the bezel not aligned at 12
it's clearly not designed to be used
ebon saffron
if that Tag's bezel rotates
It does
ebon peak
the real answer is wait for Tudor to make a white dial Black Bay pro though anyway
those unframed markers
ebon saffron
I was looking at Hamilton dive watches earlier
Some are £900 and the others are £645
The difference is one has 10 bar of water resistance and the other has 30 bar
ebon peak
my Hamilton is 100 metres
but it's a pilots watch
even if you don't intend to go diving... 100 metres on a diver feels stingy
ebon peak
i mean in general i guess i just don't think of Hamilton as a dive watch brand anyway
like i tend to think either super classic, or field + pilots
ebon peak
44mm )_)
mental laurel
⌚
mental laurel
Oh shiz it has a. Strap
obtuse grove
love that the strap is basically invisible on dark mode
Its like the trademark emoji ™
™️
lovely
obtuse grove
yeah 44mm somthing
ebon saffron
hot
ebon saffron
its very pretty
ebon saffron
ebon peak
most of the OP experience for 1% of the price or whatever it is lmao
ebon peak
the movement probably isnt great but its a very good looking watch
which one is it again?
snxs?
ebon peak
If it’s got the 4R movement then it’s pretty good
The older one doesn’t even hack and hand wind so you gotta do the ol Seiko shuffle
ebon peak
mental laurel
My watch loses like 10 min per day lmfao
loud coral
obtuse grove
I agree
ebon peak
obtuse grove
LMFAO
loud coral
The fact that the screws aren’t matched properly to create a circle pissed me off
ebon saffron
are there actually any plans to release the MoonSwatch online?
ebon saffron
Ah ok
ebon peak
Yeah super cheap
ebon saffron
Bad lighting
nimble tiger
I actually like the color a bit darker
nimble tiger
Is Timex good
normal cave
Watchmaker tier list
S-tier
A. Lange & Söhne
ebon saffron
S tier: VC, Patek Phillipe, Rolex, A Lange and Söhne
charred sentinel
S tier: VC, Patek Phillipe, Rolex, A Lange and Söhne
jaeger-lecoultre
loud coral
Didn't put Casio in S+
obtuse grove
Didn't put Casio in S+
why is mont Blanc in b, and why the fuck is grand seiko on d
Otherwise pretty gud ig
I'd put tag lower
Wouldn't change much besides that
ebon saffron
I'd put tag lower
Why?
normal cave
I agree with all of that apart from GS being in D
obtuse grove
True
loud coral
Mont Blanc is in B because they make some good shit and some really awful shit, very inconsistent. It's also not primarily a watch brand, it's a luxury goods conglomerate that makes watches here and there
GS is in D because I find it overpriced BS
obtuse grove
GS is in D because I find it overpriced BS
cries
loud coral
I respect Seiko much more than GS
loud coral
I'd take my money to JLC instead
ebon saffron
If I had 5 grand I wouldn’t buy a GS
normal cave
I don’t think you’d find a JLC for the price of a GS
loud coral
I don’t think you’d find a JLC for the price of a GS
They have stuff from upwards of 9k and GS has been charging upwards of 10 for some of it's stuff, which I find relatively uninspiring. So if given 10k, I would most certainly take it to JLC
ebon saffron
If I was given 10K to spend on a watch I genuinely don’t know what I would buy
normal cave
if I was given 10K to spend on a watch I wouldn’t
obtuse grove
I'd get a seiko for around 600
normal cave
I’d save it and buy a Lange
obtuse grove
I'd get a seiko for around 600
then use the rest on somthing else lmao
normal cave
for me it’s either a cheap-ish watch or a Lange
ebon saffron
Actually I would just go to tag and tudor
normal cave
I’m very clear on what I want
obtuse grove
for me it’s either a cheap-ish watch or a Lange
Based
I dont think I could pull off a Lange tho
too big
my wrists are skinny
loud coral
I'd go for a Tudor and a Cartier. A Black Bay and a two-tone Santos
obtuse grove
okay now that's class
obtuse grove
o
normal cave
which do you pick
ebon saffron
It’s so hard
obtuse grove
t r i p l e s p l i t 🙏
ebon saffron
I’d love a Lange, VC, Patek etc
But I also want a functional watch I can wear daily
normal cave
I’d have to decide between the Lange Triple Split or the Richard Lange Handwerkskunst
ebon saffron
So tag, Tudor etc
obtuse grove
A g-shock to tell the time, a triple split to just stare at
ebon saffron
If I could get two watches for free it would be slightly easier
normal cave
But I also want a functional watch I can wear daily
I have that already
loud coral
Anything from the VC Metiers d'Art collection
ebon saffron
I have that already
I really like my citizen but I would take a Tudor or a tag over it any day
obtuse grove
Anything from the VC Metiers d'Art collection
VC definitely my first pick
in terms of complex watches
loud coral
These beauties
obtuse grove
🤌
loud coral
🫦
charred sentinel
Moon phase
ebon saffron
GMT and world timer for me
obtuse grove
the tourbillon
yes its practically useless
but look at it
As for a functional complication its the chronograph for me
ebon saffron
The tourbillion is useless but it’s really fucking cool
I also really like perpetual calendars
normal cave
The tourbillion is useless but it’s really fucking cool
unless you’re F. P. Journe
because then you’ll invent a problem that doesn’t exist to sell a solution to the problem you just made and price it ridiculously
nimble tiger
What does a tourbillion do
normal cave
What does a tourbillion do
so, do you know what an escapement is?
nimble tiger
No
normal cave
oh boy, explaining a tourbillon without knowing what an escapement is
alright I’ll explain both
so, in a mechanical watch, we use the mainspring to provide power for something called the escapement assembly
the job of the escapement assembly is to provide an equal distribution of power to the geartrain which tells the time, starting at the very bottom with the seconds hand. the escapement assembly works by a perpetually back-and-forth rotation of the balance wheel, which then flicks the palette fork back and forth at regular intervals, causing the seconds gear to rotate
it’s also why you hear the classic “tick tick tick” sound in a mechanical watch
now since the escapement assembly has this incredibly important job of keeping the time constant and accurate, any disturbing forces have to be counteracted so that the timekeeping stays constant and reliable
following?
nimble tiger
Yes
normal cave
before we had wristwatches, we had pocket watches
now the trouble with pocket watches is that gravity exists, and that means the escapement assembly is pulled downward to the earth. it also means if you change altitude or if you go over some particularly bumpy roads — as was common back then — or, if you took it out and changed its orientation, you changed the spread of gravity acting on the escapement assembly
this means that the escapement assembly would get thrown off, as the balance wheel is a very delicate piece of the watch
and because the escapement is thrown off, the accuracy of the watch is thrown off too
so, to counteract this, Louis Breguet, a French watchmaker, devised the following. by constantly exposing all sides of the escapement to the forces of gravity, the negative effects of changing a watch’s orientation or altitude could be negated
to do this, he thought of the tourbillon. what that tourbillon does is exactly what I’ve described above. it does this by constantly rotating the entire escapement mechanism on a fixed axis, so that all parts of the escapement mechanism are exposed to the effects of gravity
now this did improve the accuracy of watches. however, soon we got wristwatches. the thing with wristwatches is that humans are constantly exposing them to the forces of gravity all the time; swinging our arms, turning our wrists, etc
so in that sense, the tourbillon makes 0 sense on a wristwatch as it serves no purpose. the human is already exposing the entire escapement movement within their wristwatch to the effects of gravity; the job the tourbillon did in a pocket watch
hasty plank
so what did we came up with to fix the problem with wrist watches
nimble tiger
Thanks for the explanation
normal cave
so what did we came up with to fix the problem with wrist watches
which problem?
hasty plank
gravity, you say the tourbillon is useless.. but it seems to fix the issues of gravity
normal cave
in pocket watches, yes
hasty plank
ot｜watches
normal cave
in wristwatches, it’s redundant
the purpose of the tourbillon was to expose the entire escapement assembly to the forces of gravity. this was done because the pocket watch was often left in one position for most of its use
so, if you changed its orientation or changed altitude or went over bumpy road, the forces acting on different parts of the escapement would change, causing a cumulative inaccuracy
so, by rotating the escapement constantly, we expose all sides of the escapement assembly to the forces of gravity while it remains in the same position
however, while wearing a wristwatch, we are constantly changing its orientation while walking or grabbing things, turning our wrists to check the time, etc. this means that all sides of the escapement are constantly being exposed to the forces of gravity naturally, so there’s no need for a tourbillon to do it for us
hasty plank
ahhh makes sense 😄
normal cave
we are the tourbillon
hasty plank
so wristwatches with one, they have it for..?
normal cave
showing off, really
ebon saffron
just cool innit
normal cave
it’s a watchmaker’s flex
hasty plank
tbf the word is cool
normal cave
“look, I can make the most delicate and intricate part of the watch’s movement go spinny wooooo”
and yes, making a tourbillon is incredibly tough
Louis Breguet has to be commended for his genius and his innovation
here’s a basic diagram of a tourbillon
something interesting to note is also Breguet’s dream of making every side of the escapement exposed to gravity
and he envisioned a tourbillon that didn’t just rotate on the horizontal axis, but on the vertical one too
Girard-Perregaux realised this idea in their tri-axial tourbillon concept
a spring, like every mechanical watch
normal cave
Girard-Perregaux realised this idea in their tri-axial tourbillon concept
@ebon saffron check this out
uh no, you need to wind the spring
the spring powers the escapement assembly
the escapement assembly regulates how fast the gears spin
ebon saffron
<@701789715690684509> check this out
It’s amazing how people can think of these things
normal cave
that’s how GP’s tri-axial tourbillon would rotate
truly, exposing all of the escapement assembly to the forces of gravity
normal cave
It’s amazing how people can think of these things
thinking is one thing, constructing it is another
I’m more impressed by how they were able to construct this
ebon saffron
yeah the construction is really impressive as well
normal cave
I have quite a few ideas in my head, but no clue on how I’ll even construct them
ebon saffron
my next watch will be an automatic
i love the idea of having a watch which has no electrical parts
hasty plank
Girard-Perregaux realised this idea in their tri-axial tourbillon concept
idk if that's useful, but it's very pretty
normal cave
oh no it’s not really useful lol
but like I said, it’s a flex
you make your escapement spin in 1 direction
I make my escapement spin in 3 directions
we are not the same.
ebon saffron
my escapement spins in 3 directions therefore i am better than you on every single level
normal cave
my escapement actually moves around the perimeter of the watch dial while spinning in 3 dials
so I’m better than you
normal cave
oh the Vacheron supercompication?
normal cave
yeah, the supercomplication
they don’t actually sell it
it’s another “on request” situation, which means “give us a million € or get the fuck away”
normal cave
yeah insane
ebon saffron
the Reference 57260 was commissioned by a collector in the Americas who wishes to remain anonymous. He challenged Vacheron Constantin's Atelier Cabinotiers division to create the world's most complicated watch
imagine being wealthy enough to challenge one of the most prestigious watchmakers
hasty plank
yeah, the supercomplication
lol that name
nimble tiger
> the Reference 57260 was commissioned by a collector in the Americas who wishes...
Rich people things
normal cave
> the Reference 57260 was commissioned by a collector in the Americas who wishes...
hey Vacheron, I’m in the market for some complex watches. what do you have?
well, sir, we make many complications in watches. our watchmakers can make 57 complications for you to choose from to suit your needs. here they all are.
hm, yes, good. I’ll take it.
which ones, sir?
all.
all? all 57? but sir, that would be impossible to fit in one watch!
do it pussy
ebon saffron
do it or no balls
ebon saffron
Orient dress watches are so good looking
obtuse grove
owo
obtuse grove
Girard-Perregaux realised this idea in their tri-axial tourbillon concept
Wowwww this is amazing
i also liked Grand Seiko's constant force tourbillon
nimble tiger
Who the fuck ghost pinged me
obtuse grove
bob
obtuse grove
violet rapids
https://twitter.com/pocketlint/status/1536988905362362368?s=21&t=w0NOjxeFA3qY8Vg...
just
why
why
hasty plank
q: more designs and brands of aviator style watches ples :3
i’m still looking for one
hasty plank
ohh this is hot, i didn't see it on the seiko website
hasty plank
What’s your budget
ideally less than the price of a Hamilton, lol
which is around £500 iirc
ebon saffron
ohh this is hot, i didn't see it on the seiko website
An automatic seiko
Should be a solid watch
Iirc johann has a seiko
hasty plank
yep looks to be great
nimble tiger
Twitter
ebon saffron
https://twitter.com/ItsRetrop/status/1537931051602874370?t=bI1_2RD3OOCRD_PlIXyFq...
LMAO
nimble tiger
LMAO
obtuse grove
https://twitter.com/itsretrop/status/1538216799946231808?s=21&t=bGr_GEsLusXzFRiC...
XD
ebon saffron
Just found this in the garage
My dad persuaded the AD to let him have the wall clock
runic spruce
👍
ebon saffron
They could’ve had a day-date complication but they put a 10atm thing there instead
Nice watch tho
runic spruce
They could’ve had a day-date complication but they put a 10atm thing there inste...
Yeah, kind of weird tbh
nimble tiger
Interesting
thin flicker
@sick trench
sick trench
I just got a Casio duro
beginning of my watch collection
i want a vostok amphibia next
or a seiko snk809
hasty plank
pay the internet tax!!
hasty plank
post pictures of your acquisition
crisp kayak
Are smart watches ok here
crisp kayak
Got this as a birthday gift from my uncle, only wore a gshock before this
Never had smart watch
Its really cool
Really love the bpm counter
I have alot of anxiety when it comes to my heart rate
Its nice that I can actually monitor it now
The thing that I dont like is that when I use the workout feature, it doesnt have an auto pause when I come to a stop
And because of that I get ridiculous average speeds like 6kph over the course of 30mins with a distance of 4km
Other than that, Its really useful
crisp kayak
Awesome