ot｜watches

[obtuse grove]

ok now that is stunning

yup, but the contract was till 2020 or 2021 iirc

so, not anymore

seggs

[normal cave]

very

[obtuse grove]

🤝

that's the deepsea?

[normal cave]

yes

[obtuse grove]

reminds me of the uhh Alaska project from Omega

[normal cave]

except the Omega was actually okay

[obtuse grove]

And it was just a protective case, the actual watch itself was beautiful

probably my favourite version of the speedmaster even

[normal cave]

you know, since so many famous watch companies (and companies in general) are owned by Richemont, the CEO of Richemont must be insanely rich

[obtuse grove]

it's a speedmaster with a protective case to withstand the critical tempratures of space

[normal cave]

or rather, the owner of Richemont (if there is an owner of Richemont)

[obtuse grove]

that's a fair assumption

richemont feels like the VAG of watches

Literally most big names in one

[normal cave]

yeah, he is

Johann Peter Rupert is a South African billionaire businessman, who is the eldest son of business tycoon Anton Rupert and his wife Huberte. He is the chairman of the Swiss-based luxury-goods company Richemont and the South Africa-based company Remgro.

there you go, another Johann who’s rich

[obtuse grove]

lmfao

[twin crescent]

I feel like Swatch Group is like GM because it’s got something in every price category

Seiko is obviously Toyota

LVMH - Stellantis

And Richemont is VAG

Rolex is BMW

[nimble tiger]

Are wall clocks just bigger watches or do they use a different mechanism

[obtuse grove]

depends?

idk actually

good question

[runic spruce]

Or are watches smaller wall clocks?

[normal cave]

depends on which wall clock you’re talking about. a pendulum clock uses much the same parts as a wristwatch (escapement, gear train) but uses the movement of the pendulum to time when the gear train should rotate.

in a pendulum clock, the main function of a pendulum is time regulation. since pendulums always take the same length to oscillate back and forth, it should allow for a natural constant to regulate how fast our clocks move (in theory)

the function of the escapement in a pendulum clock is the same in principle to that in a wristwatch, but operates in a different way. the escapement is tied to a weight that repeatedly falls and rises (and this motion powers the gears). as the pendulum oscillates back and forth, it turns the palette fork front and back across the escapement teeth which causes the weight to fall and rise (and subsequently turn the seconds hand and gear train)

this is also why it’s called the escapement. it allows the weight to escape once every second

in modern wall clocks, the mechanism is the same as in wristwatches, but sometimes larger

[runic spruce]

So is that a yes?

[normal cave]

yes

but now you know how a pendulum clock works too

[runic spruce]

See even if that wasn’t true I’d still believe you

[twin crescent]

also remember that many wall clocks nowadays have quartz mvmt

@normal cave I actually was visiting my grandpa's some time ago and the wall clock, cheap department store one, had as smooth a sweep as spring drive or accutron

so what's happening there

[obtuse grove]

oooo i have that too XD

just a high beat movement ig

[normal cave]

it’s much easier to power a high-beat quartz movement in a large case (like a wall clock) than it is to fit it in a wristwatch

that’s why they’re more common there

it’s the basic principle of spring drive (an electric movement connected to a gear train) made easier to do because you’re powering it with relatively huge battery

[nimble tiger]

Interesting

Thank you for answering my shower thought

[twin crescent]

Fuck

Noticed some scratches

Time for a sapphire upgrade

[hasty plank]

oh no 😦

[twin crescent]

Noticeable only from certain angles but still annoying

[hasty plank]

when you know it's there, you can't help but noticing it

[twin crescent]

Just wondering what caused it because I don’t recall face planting asphalt which this would suggest

#HardlexMoment

Domed sapphire is around 40€

[hasty plank]

how do you change that?

[twin crescent]

Either diy or a watchmaker

There are tutorials but imma stay safe and give it to a pro

I’ll also check polishing options before that

Maybe I can fix this by polishing

@normal cave what’s the expert opinion on this

The lines are vertical so maybe it didn’t like some of my rougher jumpers and hoodies

I sometimes use the sleeves to quickly wipe fingerprints so maybe I should stop

[normal cave]

they don’t seem to be too deep so using a polish is definitely worth a shot

if not, you can always replace

[twin crescent]

Any particular recommendation for tools and products?

[normal cave]

I’m assuming your watch glass is sapphire

(yes? or no?)

polywatch and a rag are things I have for my go-to, but if it’s sapphire you’ll have to be there for a while and apply lots of pressure

either that or you can use one of those buffing wheels which I never have access to

(make sure you get the glass polish btw, they make a plastic one too)

[twin crescent]

Hardlex

[normal cave]

that’s possible… but I’d go with just replacing if it’s hardlex

it’ll save you a lot of time and hassle

[twin crescent]

Yeah considering polywatch costs 20€ which is half of what sapphire costs l0l

[normal cave]

xd

polywatch is good for polishing stuff so I always keep some

[twin crescent]

The Dutch come to the rescue! https://www.monsterwatches.eu/product/32mmx18mm-sapphire/

[twin crescent]

The bracelet came

sizing it up was a bitch but i did it

[hasty plank]

how wide is this watch?

[twin crescent]

22mm lug

44mm diameter

big watch for a big boi

[hasty plank]

i'm still hesitating between 39 or 42mm for the one watch i'm gonna buy

[twin crescent]

the most important thing is actually lug-to-lug, which only a few watchmakers provide in their specsheets unfortunately

the end of the lugs at each end should not be further than the surface of your wrist

some watches have short lugs (like this one) and some (like nomos) have big lugs

[hasty plank]

i see

[twin crescent]

which makes this one wear larger despite it being 39

[hasty plank]

oh yes the lugs are longk

https://www.laco.de/en/watches/pilot-watches-basic/pilot-watch-aachen-42mm-automatic-leather-strap so basically this in 39 or 42mm

[twin crescent]

first off, excellent choice

secondly, fliegers historically were oversized, so i'd go for the big ones

for any other i'd say that it's better to have a watch that's too small than too big, but fliegers are different

[hasty plank]

to fit the look intended?

[twin crescent]

@hasty plank they actually have a pretty good article https://www.laco.de/en/watch-sizing-guide

Laco mfs be like "38mm - the female model"

absolute chads

[drifting brook]

jubilee goes too hard on this casio

fantastic call

[drifting brook]

yeah, surprising number of people look at case diameter and call it a day. then buy a watch that's hanging off their wrist lol

[runic spruce]

Thoughts?

https://www.google.com/shopping/product/7777547443615635731?q=Bugatti+Chiron+Tourbillon&client=safari&sa=X&hl=en-us&biw=393&bih=660&tbs=vw:g&sxsrf=ALiCzsZ60CKuKWVCqRR4AjLylPrsEQFbhw:1668708508283&prds=eto:10103997861798052350_0,cdl:1,prmr:1,pid:3853811095399220732,cs:1&ved=0ahUKEwjahvjO57X7AhUWSTABHd_nB-IQgTYImhA

Damn that’s a long link

[twin crescent]

Gaudy, tasteless and overpriced. Richard Mille looks like a dress watch next to this

[runic spruce]

I think the cylinders in it move, I’m not sure though

[twin crescent]

Then again Jacob & Co has found a niche where they are peerless - helping nouveau riche get rid of their money

[twin crescent]

I can’t believe that I’m gonna say a good thing about Hublot, but check out Hublot LaFerrari if you like this kinda stuff

Much more awesome

[runic spruce]

I don’t really like the watch as a watch, just thought it looked cool

[drifting brook]

I saw Jacob & Co. and immediately jumped out the window

[drifting brook]

You should check out Urwerk if you’re into weird, hyper technical watches that actually have some originality & design identity behind them.

Urwerk also sort of pushes it too far sometimes, but considering what they make, their pieces can be surprisingly tasteful

[obtuse grove]

It's a cool watch

Jacob and co in general is kinda cool

I'll never wear one ever

and personally most of em are wayy too blingy

but some of their movements and complications are kinda nice

I'd rather go the RM or the Urwerk route as Agni said

if i had the money ofc💀

[hasty plank]

thoughts?

[drifting brook]

what are the case dimensions of this watch

looks interesting, but the size would make or break a design like this

[hasty plank]

uhh it's 40.4 * 38.2mm

[runic spruce]

Looks like an Apple Watch

[drifting brook]

that's not bad actually. i'm thinking it might be a bit big for me, but since it doesn't have lugs at all and the case length is the endpoints for the strap, it might just fit.

are you thinking of getting this one?

or just generally curious lol

[hasty plank]

no, i think it's ugly

just wondering if some people liked this design cause it's quite unusual

[drifting brook]

it is definitely a bit kooky, but it's not all bad. my least favorite parts are the watch hands that just look too pedestrian, and the open heart into the movement.

it's literally just a hole with no chamfering or like a thin ring around it

[hasty plank]

surprisingly enough, the most expensive of these doesn't have an open heart

the two lower priced ones do however

[drifting brook]

i'm looking at the specs. wish it had a better movement for that price point

at least it's using sapphire crystal lol

[hasty plank]

not too much of a connoisseur when it comes to specifics

it's like people who go "oh yes this uses the RB26BB, i wish they used the F46G engine instead :("

[drifting brook]

hahaha

it's honestly good to have a basic idea, only from a pricing standpoint

so you know a brand is not ripping you off

you don't want to buy a ferrari chassis with a fiat engine in it

[hasty plank]

you often end up with the opposite before the 90s 🤭

[drifting brook]

this one is definitely a bit overpriced. flat zero-texture dial, -10 to +30 seconds time variance everyday, 30m water resistance, doesn't even have a seconds hand (that comes standard with this movement).

their only selling point is the design basically

[hasty plank]

their base activity is making clocks for churches and train stations

[drifting brook]

Oh I see. that makes sense with their design language. it just looks like it's supposed to be a much larger watch LOL

they remind me of mondaine in that regard

it's similar idea. the watches aren't super high spec'd, but their unique selling point is the design language and cultural history

it's the official watch of the swiss railway

[hasty plank]

one of the watches i really want is the Stop 2 Go from Mondaine

but it was a limited run and it's expensive 😦

[drifting brook]

oh my goodness yeah. I forgot about that one. that is such a unique movement.

[hasty plank]

Johann thinks it's overrated

i mean, overpriced

[drifting brook]

i mean it's definitely not a heavy hitter and is probably overpriced

[twin crescent]

they kinda are, since they use basic ass quartz

[drifting brook]

as much as i love my high brow watchmaking, just the action of that second hand pausing, waiting for the minute hand to tick and then carrying on is just 🤌

[twin crescent]

but if you are going for the look, it's peerless

[hasty plank]

yeah exactly

[drifting brook]

it's like carrying a small slice of culture on your wrist

[twin crescent]

then again, it's just a daniel wellington with a lollipop for a second hand

lol

[drifting brook]

i fuck with the idea, but yeah it's not a great use of money

[hasty plank]

there are Mondaines for about 130 euros iirc

[twin crescent]

130€ gets you a really nice casio or seiko

[hasty plank]

but it's a normal movement

[drifting brook]

the stop2go is for a collector who already has tons of pieces and just wants something different lol

[twin crescent]

so that will forever skew value perceptions

[hasty plank]

a really nice casio or seiko new for 130 euros?

[drifting brook]

unless you're absolutely in love with the design of mondaine, they are definitely all overpriced. that's for sure

[twin crescent]

yea

[drifting brook]

but if it brings you happiness, more power to you

we should wear what makes us happy

[twin crescent]

no

funny dutch guy on youtube said that you can only wear casio or rolex

jokes aside i was suprised to see him give props to the same seiko as mine in yesterday's video

[drifting brook]

what is the model no. of your seiko? it's definitely a really handsome piece

[twin crescent]

SRPE53

[hasty plank]

show meeee

[twin crescent]

peruse https://www.jomashop.com/search?q=seiko 5

[drifting brook]

oh also when you're looking at budget seiko's I'd say you are almost guaranteed to need to buy a good strap separately, so factor that in too

https://www.jomashop.com/seiko-watch-snkl45.html

I've always liked the SNKL45. Throw this on a nice leather strap and it's at least a $500 watch to someone who doesn't know much about them.

https://www.jomashop.com/seiko-5-watch-snk603.html

I've never bought a Seiko 5 with this much dial detailing. wonder how the finishing quality will be on it. If they get it right, this one would be an absolute steal for the price.

[twin crescent]

it's not that bad really for a starter

it's nice to upgrade down the line but it's not horrible

of course depends on the design, some more intricate ones may catch more hairs but oyster style is just folded (therefore rattly), apart from that it does its job

[drifting brook]

the one I got with my SNKL23 was damn near unwearable unfortunately

had to switch that one out for a leather strap expeditiously

[hasty plank]

don’t like many of these seiko designs tbh

[obtuse grove]

Generally not a fan of square watches

[drifting brook]

don't worry, seiko 5 is probably the most expansive collection of watches made by any company lol.

literally hundreds & hundreds of them catering to all tastes and demographics. look long enough and you'll find one you like.

I would also recommend Orient as a good starter watch in your price range. Especially the Mako II in case you're looking for a Diver.

[twin crescent]

@normal cave on one hand, lange

on the other hand, teddy + o'leary

i'm so conflicted should i watch it

[normal cave]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee what is this conflicting combination

[hasty plank]

J thoughts on that square watch i posted yesterday?

[normal cave]

eh, not really my style lol

[hasty plank]

ok we're on the same line 😄

[normal cave]

usually I don’t like square watches

rectangle watches are cool if done right, but I’ve never seen a square watch done right

[twin crescent]

maybe Nomos Tetra

[drifting brook]

honestly worth checking out just for the immaculate b-roll of the watches itself lol

also who knew kevin o'leary is a zeitwerk stan. absolutely based.

every time i see a lange, it's like the first time all over again. never have that feeling with any other watch company.

[twin crescent]

never have that feeling with any other watch company.
seiko 5

[drifting brook]

kevin just casually talking about shopping for Lange's makes me want to abandon all morality and become a raging capitalist just so i can do the same thing

[normal cave]

you just feel rich when you hold a Lange

can speak from experience

[obtuse grove]

This man held the Triple Split

[normal cave]

it was very nerve wracking

I was afraid I was going to drop it lol

[obtuse grove]

I can imagine

yeah I'd literally think the same

"don't drop it don't drop it don't drop it"

[normal cave]

apparently you can drop a Lange and have it be perfectly fine

it’s meant to withstand drops

but that doesn’t mean it’s any less heartstopping to drop one lol

[obtuse grove]

i wouldn't test it💀

[obtuse grove]

exactly

[normal cave]

you wouldn’t but they have

[obtuse grove]

I've seen videos

wait were they from Lange idk

my heart stops even when i drop my gshock

[runic spruce]

Have you guys tried not dropping it

[wanton whale]

Kevin O’Leary can get fucked

[nimble tiger]

Are Porsche watches good

[twin crescent]

Porsche Design? They look pretty good but I'd always choose a watch from a company whose primary business is making watches

For example, Sport Chrono costs $7400 - you can get an incredible Omega for that price

[wanton whale]

https://www.watchuseek.com/threads/what-watch-to-wear-to-my-colonoscopy.684533/

[twin crescent]

https://www.omegawatches.com/watch-omega-seamaster-diver-300m-co-axial-master-chronometer-42-mm-21030422003002

Love this way more than the NTTD

[twin crescent]

okay Nico has not just one, but two Code 11:59s in his top 10 list

and he says that Grönefeld is better than Lange

what is he on?

is he desperate to get on some AP waitlist? he's sucking them off more than he ever did Rolex l0l

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxPbWi-Lde0

[twin crescent]

NICE

if you find one used for cheap, it's the best deal in watches

[hasty plank]

it looks quite cool ngl

[twin crescent]

omg i want the K2 😻 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOhoKoKtGUQ

but tbh Andrew can sell even a bag of bricks with his narrative skills

https://cdn2.chrono24.com/images/uhren/26204240-hlen8ymz4uc8j536zds2nn9n-ExtraLarge.jpg

[twin crescent]

anyone know what watch is this?

no it's not a RM

oh damn https://www.thewatchpages.com/watches/rebellion-re-volt-zhou-guanyu-c42/

for 64k the movement looks barely any better than NH36

[hasty plank]

how do you know that a movement is better than another? it feels like people randomly throwing engine names to me

oh yes the RB26TT is so much better than the KJ8R, i'd rather buy this car as a consequence

[twin crescent]

There are only a few objective ways to say which movement is better - accuracy, power reserve, time between maintenance, @normal cave add if i'm missing anything.

However, watches are a sentimental and irrational thing to buy, and movements are equally subjective. If i'm paying 67 thousand dollars for a watch, I want my movement look like this

and not this

[hasty plank]

one of my colleagues said that to him, a normal price for a watch was 20 to 30 euros

[twin crescent]

Decoration, precious metals, design

[twin crescent]

he's not wrong

[hasty plank]

the one who owns that Seiko i posted earlier had to explain him how "normal" is a heavy word

[twin crescent]

anything above Casio F91w is unneccessary luxury bought for irrational reasons

[hasty plank]

in an era when everyone has a smartphone, you can even argue owning a watch at all is irrational

i didn't dare making the link with other kinds of jewellery, like earrings, necklaces etc.

[twin crescent]

maybe, but it's more convenient to glance at your wrist than pull your phone out of the pocket

if i'm wearing especially tight jeans while sitting, that can be an ordeal

or cycling omg

[hasty plank]

the point being, saying something in a range of values is normal, means anything that is not in that range is not normal

and many people might not appreciate being told that

[twin crescent]

i think it was Andrew from Watchfinder who said that watches are a hobby where you can pick a random number, add a currency sign and buy an item for that price

[hasty plank]

he's also a kind of erm, christian raised, only got out of his countryside 2y ago to go to a city.
lacks a bit of tact lol

[hasty plank]

frankly, i think watches are just something personal

lol

that's perfect thx

so basically, for the Flieger i want, ideally i'd want a movement that doesn't detune too much, i suppose

[twin crescent]

you can always reregulate them at a watchmaker's

but yeah if you're looking at Laco, the cheapest ones have Miyota IIRC

that's a solid, very popular movement and that's good

means that if it's broken, you can just buy an entire movement and replace them

and there's a lot of knowledge base about them so any watchmaker should know how to work with one

[hasty plank]

https://www.laco.de/fr/en/montres/montres-pilotes-de-base/montre-pilote-aachen-Bracelet-en-cuir-automatique-de-42-mm i'd get that one i think. they have a Miyota 821A by default, and 8315 in option

but it says -10 to +20s per day... that's a lot of detuning, isn't it?

[twin crescent]

don't sweat about it

my seiko has -45 to +45 lol

mechanical watches are not set it and forget it, you have to sync them with time.is every couple of days anyway

but if that bothers you, you can regulate them

japanese movements (seiko, miyota) are so cheap because they skip on regulating and tuning them at the factory

so it's a bit of a lotery but nothing you can't fix after the fact

[hasty plank]

ah cool

my dad has a stash of unused watches, i should look into em as well. many he things don't work anymore, but it's probably just a few things to change

[twin crescent]

yeah

post a pic once you see them

=]

who knows maybe he has a patek grand complications he forgot about

[hasty plank]

haha no i don't think so, but maybe

he never bought expensive watches, his most expensive one is a...

a mainstream swiss like brand, forgot.

Festina i think

[twin crescent]

still not bad

that being said, at this point in my life i'm more excited by the budget Japanese watches than entry level Swiss lol

so if it ain't omega, gimme seiko lol

[hasty plank]

ye tbf i've been more exposed to japanese brands since i've learned about watches

[twin crescent]

I think that the space between 1500 to 3000 is no man's land

you find brands like Longines, Frederique Constant etc, and they might be "the value kings" according to some youtubers but to me it seems like i can work just a bit harder and buy a big boy watch

or save money and get a really nice seiko/sinn/tissot

[normal cave]

you hit quite the few marks there, but I’d add complexity of the movement there too

but again, that’s sort of subjective in a sense too

sometimes people like simpler and less complex watches, but some like more complex watches. nevertheless, I would also add complexity there too

[obtuse grove]

Facts

[hasty plank]

can one replace a movement with another? or there's like some spec sheets that make certain movements compatible

[normal cave]

generally yes, you can usually replace movements if they’re of the same level of complexity, suited for the same gear ratios, and if they’re built for the same power

eg you cannot replace an automatic movement with a quartz one

[hasty plank]

ye ofc

[normal cave]

and you cannot just replace a Chronograph movement with a non-chrono movement

if you can tweak the balance wheel right and find the correct combination of escapement and power suitability, then you can replace the movement generally

[twin crescent]

I have read about some seiko modders who have upgraded 4R36 to 6R15

[drifting brook]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-KRwrU-a2g

ben the goat

i fucking hate how companies have started hiding the actual strength of their glass behind shady proprietary crystals. a test like this was very welcome.

definitely a few surprises though that i did not expect to fare as well against sapphire as they ended up doing

[twin crescent]

in the case of seiko, hardlex is clear enough

"You're too poor for sapphire, this is a watch for poor people"

"Shoulda bought a SARB when we still made it l0l"

[drifting brook]

I was really surprised to see how well the Sapphire Coated crystal did

The coating on top really does work with similar scratch resistance as Sapphire, until you really manage to get under that coating which isn’t easy.

That’s a really interesting proposition. It’s like 85% of sapphire’s scratch resistance while also being much more resistant to shattering than real sapphire crystal.

In terms of long term durability on a budget, that’s quite a solid option. Best of both worlds.

[drifting brook]

did AP just straight up fire their design team a decade ago or what? got my man frank ocean flexing this utter atrocity on IG lmao

[obtuse grove]

Idk it looks kinda okay💀

[drifting brook]

there was this doug demuro video, i forget which one. in that he described that the central console of the car was organized like it was airplane crash debris

that's what this dial makes me feel like LOL

[obtuse grove]

lmfao

[obtuse grove]

I mean to each their own ig🤝

i kinda like the steampunk vibes

I'm not a huge fan but I don't hate it

[hasty plank]

because of people like u

😠

[normal cave]

smh

[drifting brook]

it’s all love for the ot watch fam but that’s pretty wack

anyway

is santa gonna be putting any new watches in you peoples’ stockings this year? 👀

[hasty plank]

thinking about finally getting one for myself during the holidays, so yes and no 😄

[drifting brook]

what watch(es) do you have your eyes on?

[hasty plank]

a flieger from Laco

[hasty plank]

checked IWC, they only have one model i like in their aviator watches
but then the prices are about 15x what i'll allow myself lol

[normal cave]

yeah that’s the problem with IWC lol

[mental laurel]

@normal cave @ebon peak now kith

[thorn spindle]

Beautiful

[violet rapids]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-patrick-star-watch-patrick-star-time-patrick-patrick-watch-gif-24549688

[ebon peak]

Okay, so since I can't resize the bracelet of my new watch

and also I've now lost one of the clasp pins

[mental laurel]

skill issue

[ebon peak]

it's on a two piece nato that doesn't suit it

[normal cave]

oh boy

[ebon peak]

I've got a mesh coming, that I'm going to try on it

I think I've got a rubber tropic somewhere that's 20mm

honestly as nice as the bracelet is, i mainly wanted that for completeness sake

I don't think Pilot's watches work best on bracelets anyway

[ebon saffron]

good thread

[ebon peak]

Totally didn’t buy this strap for the watch with orange and blue on the dial just to find out it was the wrong size or anything

[normal cave]

ot | watches

sorry the name was pissing me off 🤣

[normal cave]

I mean, not too bad... but also yeah metal would suit it more

[ebon peak]

yeah or something like a grey nato

or uh, since it's heavily flieger inspired something like this

[ebon peak]

i'm thinking of getting a fairly nice grey nato for this watch tbh

gonna see how it works on the mesh too ofc

[normal cave]

sounds good

Breitling’s ‘simplified’ Navitimer, what do we think

vs the traditional “numberfuck” Navitimer

[ebon saffron]

simplified is better

[normal cave]

many people naturally lashed out at Breitling for simplifying their Navitimer

the Navitimer of course being a practical watch for actual pilots before we had computers to do all the calculations

[mental laurel]

why does the lether have throbbing cock veins

[normal cave]

I think that’s just how leather is

[ebon peak]

well it's not a navitimer then

crocodile leather lol

[mental laurel]

i prefer see you later alligator leather

[ebon peak]

if it doesn't have a slide-rule bezel it's not a navitimer

[ebon saffron]

the traditional navitimer has more character but i wouldnt wear it

[ebon peak]

that's literally the entire appeal

[normal cave]

Breitling still sell their Navitimer with the slide-rule, but they released their simplified version too

which had mixed opinions

[ebon peak]

I'd rather it wasn't cashing in on the same name

which obviously happens all the time in watches but still

[normal cave]

I personally think that they’re taking away what makes a Navitimer a Navitimer

[ebon peak]

Yeah

[ebon saffron]

theyve made it too simple

[ebon peak]

There's no reason they couldn't still sell that watch

but call it something else

[ebon saffron]

yeah

[normal cave]

yeah like the simplified design is perfectly fine, it’s even a good looking and appealing watch

[ebon peak]

I mean, personally I think it's ugly too but that's not my big issue with it

[normal cave]

but… yeah calling it a Navitimer is off

[ebon peak]

Call it a Chronotimer or something

do an Omega -master/Rolex -king thing with it

or i guess also Rolex -master lmao

[normal cave]

lmao

[ebon peak]

also Omega's a bad example

cuz they do this all the time

it's kinda like Tudor with the black bay

80% of Tudor's models right now are black bays

it just makes it super confusing for no real reason

[ebon saffron]

there a so many omegas

[normal cave]

anyways, I’m stoked for this watch

it’s the first time Lange have made a normal fucking minute repeater

like every time they made a minute repeater in the past it’s always been weird in some way

[ebon saffron]

there are 53 varients of the omega seamaster diver 300m on sale now

[mental laurel]

looks like something my great ancestor would wear

[ebon peak]

it's too big for your great ancestor i guarantee it

[mental laurel]

whys it got a growth

[normal cave]

they have the Zeitwerk of course which is the digital minute repeater

[ebon peak]

> minute repeater

[normal cave]

that’s the mechanism to engage the minute repeater

[ebon peak]

which is a complication which makes the watch bong how many minutes past the hour it is

i beleive

[normal cave]

yep

[ebon peak]

i assume if it's 48 past it doesn't bong 48 times, right?

[normal cave]

which — at first glance doesn’t sound too hard to do — until you consider the fact that the watch mechanism itself doesn’t know what time it is

[normal cave]

no, they use a system

you’ve got 2 fundamental tones, low and high

low tone = hours
low immediately followed by a high tone = 10 minutes
high tone = minutes

so like, 7:48 would be 7 low, 4 low/high, and 8 high

that’s the regular “decimal minute repeater”

the classical minute repeater (also called the “quarter repeater”) has the same system, but the double gong strike is for 15m instead of 10

ok, opinions?

[ebon saffron]

Nah thats not for me

[normal cave]

it’s definitely Lange’s most wacky watch

[ebon peak]

that's wacky?

it looks like every other lange

[normal cave]

it’s the weirdest one they produce yeah

the digital discs being the main reason

[ebon peak]

I'm in love with this watch :D

[ebon saffron]

Its a really nice watch

[mental laurel]

i saw ur watch on reddit goerg

[ebon peak]

neat

[normal cave]

it is a beautiful watch

[obtuse grove]

o

Watch thread

Thats a really nice watch

[normal cave]

by the way, I checked out the specifications for the H40 movement, you’ve got a frequency of 21,600 which means a beats-per-second of 6

as is the standard

[ebon peak]

Yeah, I think it’s based on a high beat but that had a much lower power reserve

So that’s the trade off they made

[normal cave]

which is fair

actually interestingly enough, there’s a lot of considerations you have to take into account with high-beat watches

since you’re making the balance wheel and palette fork turn more times, smaller imperfections start to show through in terms of friction or inaccurate latching; stuff like that

so it’s really a tradeoff you’ve gotta make. high-beat, low long-term accuracy or low-beat, high long-term accuracy

[ebon peak]

It's only really just come to my attention that I think Richard Mille and Ferrari couldn't be more different as luxury brands

Richard Mille and McLaren, that makes sense, hell, Richard Mille and Alfa Romeo, but Richard Mille and Ferrari?

[ebon peak]

ot | georges-new-watch

[normal cave]

lmao

it’s a good watch

[normal cave]

and that’s some nice lighting

[ebon peak]

the wonders of googling a colour and turning up the brightness 🤣

[normal cave]

🤣

[obtuse grove]

Lmaoo

looks great tho

[ebon peak]

thanks bud

[normal cave]

Seiko’s “Spring Drive”

stunning image, there you can see all the components that make up one of these watches

[loud coral]

The watch that got me into watches—the Emporio Armani Dino (AR-1611)

Beautiful watch, courtesy of my girlfriend 🥰

[ebon peak]

can just about see it in that photo

but i googled it and wow

that dial texture

i feel like a lot of like, fashion brands that make watches kinda over do it, but that's really nice

a lot of visual appeal but not overdone

[loud coral]

Goes with just about anything as well, without looking out of place (except if you’re wearing something extremely casual, which I very seldom do)

Also, I might invest in a knew watch in the coming 6-12 months, as soon as I’m done feeling the after effects of my Bremont

[ebon peak]

yeah perfect GADA watch

[loud coral]

Probably a Hamilton, or an Oris. Very affordable watches from them

[ebon peak]

Yeah

This Hamilton will definitely not be the last Hamilton I buy

This watch has really impressed me, for the price the number of compromises you don't have to make, is impressive

I've definitely heard similar about Oris too

I've decided that I'm going to assume Tudor make a steel only version of the Black Bay 39

Given that everyone wants it, and they've launched it in Steel and Gold already

So that watch, which doesn't exist, is now the watch I'm saving for lmao

[loud coral]

Tudor’s on that fine line between affordability and bankruptcy lmao. They’ll either produce something extremely value-for-money or something that’ll just make you go: “why not just a Rolex?”

[ebon peak]

Yeah

thing is though

There's loads of reasons "why not just a Rolex"

I mean, firstly, you can't buy a Rolex

You can have the money all you like, but you cannot get one

An Explorer II, a Submariner, a GMT-Master II, a Daytona? Good luck lmao

and also honestly, look at this watch

[loud coral]

The official boutique closest to me had a waiting of 8++ months for a GMT II, I enquired for the shits and giggles

[ebon peak]

the Explorer is a great looking watch, but the Black Bay 32/36/41 is... even better

[obtuse grove]

I was gonna ask for this, thank you

[loud coral]

Gorgeous

[ebon peak]

And you can walk into an AD today, and buy this, for retail, maybe even get a discount or a few free straps

The Explorer is 12-18 months on a waiting list

[normal cave]

the movement behind Spring Drive is endlessly fascinating both in its genius and in its simplicity

if you want, I’ll explain it to you

[ebon peak]

And once you're at the front of the queue, that watch is £5,700

the Black Bay 41 is £2,510

[obtuse grove]

I've already watched videos on it, its amazing

[loud coral]

Absurd, lmao. It’s no wonder most people buy it overpriced from Chrono24

[normal cave]

yeah, they’ve replaced the escapement with an electromagnet for regulation

[ebon saffron]

i'd love a pelagos

[obtuse grove]

yees

oh yes the new pelagos

[ebon peak]

And then you walk around wearing an Explorer, scared all the time someone will know what it is and mug you :)

[loud coral]

But on the subject of affordability, I think Orient and Tissot make some really elegant watches

[ebon peak]

And when you are wearing it in a business meeting with other watch people, they see it and think things, because you're wearing a Rolex

[normal cave]

the benefit being that electromagnets don’t have as much clunkiness as a traditional balance wheel and palette fork, so you get that gorgeous sweeping motion for the seconds hand. plus, since there’s less friction between the parts of the “escapement”, there’s no sound to it either!

[ebon peak]

Like, I'd rather own the Tudor, I just wish they'd make it in 39

[ebon saffron]

yeah that happens a lot

[normal cave]

and all from replacing the escapement with an electromagnet. how genius; how simple

[obtuse grove]

wow, but doesn't it have a sound tho? i actually have a clock with a sweeping seconds hand

has a umm, a whrrrrrrr sound

idk how to describe it

[normal cave]

it’s very very soft

[obtuse grove]

yes

[normal cave]

nowhere as loud as the traditional escapement’s tick tick tick

[loud coral]

Also, I was looking at some timepieces from the Geneva Watch Convention and some of them are just…wow

Exceptional

[ebon peak]

or any Timex

I got mine out of the cupboard the other day

[obtuse grove]

The watch that got me into watches was pretty funky, it was the Ulysse Nardin Freak

[ebon peak]

I'm fairly sure you can hear that watch outside

[normal cave]

@loud coral have you seen Watches and Wonders 2022

it’s also wonderful

[obtuse grove]

oh yea there has been some great watches

i watched watchfinder's podcast

[normal cave]

yeah, bad lubing between palette forks and the escapement wheel causes that ^^

[ebon peak]

Did Watches and Wonders replace Baselworld or something

[loud coral]

Ah, watchfinders

[obtuse grove]

Watchfinder & co*

lol

[loud coral]

Of course

[ebon peak]

Watchfinder & Co

[normal cave]

Watches and Wonders has always been around I think

[ebon peak]

or watchfinder.co.uk

[normal cave]

they were there last year, the year before that too

[obtuse grove]

oops

[ebon peak]

yeah just googled it, seems Baselworld is cancelled because of covid still

which is pretty nuts but what can you do

[obtuse grove]

Masks are no longer mandatory here

[normal cave]

I’m rather sad with Lange this year, I wanted to get something stunning again

[obtuse grove]

Grand seiko tho

[normal cave]

I mean it’s incredible that they made a classical minute repeater

[ebon peak]

Their podcast format is so good, their videos have gotten a little too flowery and pretentious for me

[normal cave]

and that they’ve made it into the Richard Lange framework, which I appreciate

but… I don’t know, it was kind of underwhelming

[obtuse grove]

I love the new podcasts yess

[ebon peak]

I mean they aren't podcasts ofc

[obtuse grove]

technically

kinda

[ebon peak]

cuz they're not on an RSS feed

so they just aren't but yk

[obtuse grove]

[ebon peak]

podcast style yeah

[obtuse grove]

yes

[ebon peak]

I can't find any pictures of someone wearing the BB 39 S&G

At least not labelled as such

The only ones labelled are 36 and 41

Which are the sizes that already exist in the BB 32/36/41 steel

[normal cave]

does Tudor only make the Black Bay or something

[obtuse grove]

Nope

[ebon peak]

No

[normal cave]

I’ve never heard of anything else from them

[obtuse grove]

Pelagos

[normal cave]

ok yeah my bad

[ebon peak]

the 1926

[normal cave]

Pelagos I’ve heard of

[ebon peak]

but yeah

beyond BB and Pelagos, they do sorta hide the rest of their lineup

and most of it is shit

[normal cave]

but seems like Black Bay is their main product

[ebon peak]

yeah

[ebon saffron]

yeah the bb is their main watch

[ebon peak]

The 1926 is actually a pretty nice watch for the price, you compromise on the movement

[ebon peak]

product line, but yeah

I mean, the BB 36 and the BB Pro are pretty drastically different watches really

as different as the BB and the Pelagos

plus you've got the BB Fifty-Eight

[obtuse grove]

and the chronographs

[ebon saffron]

the black bay chrono is cool

[obtuse grove]

panda

[obtuse grove]

everything is a black bay

[ebon saffron]

i only like the black bays and the pelagos tbh

[ebon peak]

i skipped the women's watches as they're mostly duplicates of other model ranges just with variations

I like the 1926

[obtuse grove]

The 1926 looks pretty clean

[ebon peak]

the white dial blued hands/indices version of that

for like £1500...

[obtuse grove]

ooooo

[ebon peak]

as a great value, big brand dress watch

you can't do much better

[ebon saffron]

Thats actually really nice

[obtuse grove]

that's very cool

[ebon saffron]

the hands are really nice

[ebon peak]

It's ETA 2824 powered which is the biggest knock against it by watch nerds i think

[normal cave]

beautiful

I’ve always been a sucker for dark blue on white

[ebon peak]

but the 2824 is a great movement, it's just off the shelf

and if anything, off the shelf movements are kinda, true to what Tudor is

[ebon saffron]

how big is it?

[loud coral]

@normal cave . The Arnold & Son Ultra-thin Tourbillon, Dragon & Phoenix

[ebon peak]

28 or 41

oh or 36

or 39

[loud coral]

From the Grand Prix d'Horlogerie de Genève 2021

[ebon peak]

41's definitely the wrong choice for that watch lol

[normal cave]

beautiful

what do we think of F. P. Journe

[ebon saffron]

yeah thats huge for a dress watch

[obtuse grove]

I like the brand

pretty nice watches

[ebon peak]

a watch like this at 41?

I think 36 might actually be the best option for like average men's wrists

[obtuse grove]

36 imo

Yeah

Or 39 for large wrists

[ebon peak]

the 39 probably wears really nicely too

[ebon saffron]

id get a 36

[normal cave]

I mean don't get me wrong, I love the technicality behind FP Journe, but I just do not like their watches

[loud coral]

Overlooked at times, but I don’t know if I really like them. But on the subject of often overlooked brands, I think H. Moser & Cie. is definitely one that I admire

[ebon peak]

i'm not going to lie, this looks exactly the same as a Lange to me

[normal cave]

yeah this is one of their basic ones

[obtuse grove]

Yeah that's the first thing that came to my mind as well

[normal cave]

really?

[obtuse grove]

kinda

[ebon peak]

They look exactly like Langes

[normal cave]

I personally think Lange's style is unique

[ebon peak]

if you told me this was a Lange sister brand i wouldn't question it

same case, same fonts, same textures, same weird layouts, same hands

[obtuse grove]

definitely yeah but that watch did remind me of lange

[ebon peak]

like they're definitely less well executed than Lange

[normal cave]

if anything, Journe's imitating an older style than Lange

but they've got some really out there watches too

[ebon peak]

oh and apparently they knocked off Richard Mille too

who the fuck okayed that watch

like who went "yeah that works, ship it"

[normal cave]

the founder, François Paul Journe

[loud coral]

This reminds me of the Patel Philippe Gondolo too ngl

[ebon peak]

it's 48mm ?!

[normal cave]

here's one of their wackier watches too

the Centigraphe

[ebon peak]

IT'S QUARTZ

that watch doesn't fit with that brand at all

[loud coral]

How much are they charging for it

[ebon peak]

only £65,000

[normal cave]

and here's one of the ugliest watches in my opinion

[ebon peak]

looks like a melted betty boop

[normal cave]

it's just badly designed, unreadable at first glance, unclear on if it's trying to be a chronometer or a watch

[ebon peak]

this is why i like tool and tool-y watches

[normal cave]

I like tool watches too, but overall I like simplistic watches

[loud coral]

Looks like a Pioneer deck

[normal cave]

Lange goes pretty wild with their movements, but they keep the design simple and readable

[normal cave]

you know, FP Journe made a watch to solve a problem that doesn't exist

right so the tourbillon was invented to counteract the forces of gravity on a pocket watch, and hence it keeps the balance wheel always exposed to different sides of gravity and hence improves accuracy

but in a wristwatch, you don't have that problem

because your wrist is always moving, therefore the escapement is always experiencing the forces of gravity

what FP Journe did to solve this problem of the tourbillon not being functional on wristwatches was to just lay the balance wheel vertically instead of horizontally

[obtuse grove]

Is this the sideways tourbillon

Yep

[normal cave]

so the tourbillon would have an actual function on a wristwatch

it's solving a problem that doesn't exist

it's creating a problem and solving it and then charging insane amounts of money for it

[obtuse grove]

o-o

[ebon peak]

Cardiff Omega Boutique hype

[normal cave]

wooooop

[ebon saffron]

in st davids?

[ebon peak]

aye

It’s in the watch bit lol

It’s only the second boutique though, after Breitling

Sadly not a Swatch boutique, so I can’t try and fail to get me a moonswatch

[ebon saffron]

the watch bit at cribbs in bristol has 2 boutiques

bremont and tag heuer

there are a quite a few jewelers though

[ebon peak]

We’ve got a Tag AD

Bremont are a weird brand tbh

They feel almost microbrandy but absolutely aren’t

[loud coral]

Dream watch at the moment — the Habring Jumping Second Pilot

The movement just makes me swoon 🤤

[normal cave]

rather basic display but some key things to note his how it’s finished

the spiral pattern is nice, even though if you look at them you can see some imperfections

how much does this cost? I’d estimate around 5k €

obviously if the name is “jumping seconds” then there’s an obvious “one tick per second” movement which I can see displayed there

[normal cave]

(I’d estimate 5k € because I know Habring and they’re famous for making these tough complications for an affordable price)

[loud coral]

Around £4000 I think

[mental laurel]

You’re a basic display

[normal cave]

yeah for a jumping seconds, that’s pretty cheap

[ebon peak]

when using a nato, do people usually use the same springbars as from their bracelet?

guess they probably do

probably higher quality than replacement ones and you're less likely to lose them if they're attached to the watch lol

[ebon peak]

turns out while it will be a single brand store, it won't be operated by Omega

[loud coral]

Some Lange jerk material

[normal cave]

seen this watch irl

[ebon peak]

I’ll never own this watch, it’s £13,100, but damn

You can probably get that the same feel of a vintage diver with like an Oris diver 65 for 10% of the price

[ebon peak]

I’ve also just realised you could get a Glashütte Original SeaQ and a Tudor Black Bay 58, and an Oris Diver 65, and I think probably also a Doxa, for the same price

[normal cave]

I’m glad you brought up Glashütte Original, they’re often not recognised

[ebon peak]

https://service.glashuette-original.com/storage/masters/watches/thumbnails/W13911068070.png

I mean, are you really getting five thousand pounds more value from the Blancpain? Five thousand pounds worth of brand maybe, but it's not like non-watch nerds have heard of either 🤣

[normal cave]

if anything I prefer the GO watch

[loud coral]

I’ve been really into the NOMOS brand lately, and Junghans

I reckon one of their pieces will be my next “big” purchase

Pieces I’m eyeing from them, respectively

[mental laurel]

13 grand for some tosser to come up to you and ask "is that a rolex" followed by "is it real"

[ebon peak]

Speaking of retro-divers... https://www.christopherward.com/aquitaine

[normal cave]

ooh those look sexeh

similar to GO’s offering

[ebon peak]

plus, it's a Christopher Ward with just the logo on the dial!

[normal cave]

man those are some awesome pics

[ebon peak]

nicked em from the top post on /r/watches lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/Watches/comments/u8np5i/chris_ward_c65_new_chris_ward_drop/

[normal cave]

I liked the hands

very classic but seamless

[ebon peak]

the bronze is £1,095...

that's really good

[normal cave]

that’s a really good price

for that yeah

[ebon peak]

Sellita SW200 powered, but that's a Swiss-made, COSC certified, 41mm, retro diver in bronze

for £1,095

I mean that's an Oris killer in many ways

[normal cave]

that’s some value for money right there

for 1.1k that epic retro diver design and a pretty well-made movement; wonderful

[ebon peak]

an Oris Diver 65 with just a bronze bezel is £1,550

which btw, is also an SW200

[ebon peak]

another day, another strap, another photo of my watch 🤣

[normal cave]

🤣

I like the composition

[ebon peak]

Thanks bud 😆

[loud coral]

Wowowowow

[obtuse grove]

randomly took this lol

i was testing out my phone's macro lens in school, thought my watch would be a good way to find out

[mental laurel]

Casio G spot

[obtuse grove]

yes

[ebon peak]

finally got around to measuring my wrist, and you know what, it's bang on average, 7 inches

very very useful for guessing how big a watch is gonna wear on me lmao

[loud coral]

Same

Averageness 🤝

Did you take the measurement below or above your pisiform though?

[ebon peak]

I measure it where I wear my watch

[ebon peak]

last strap for a while for me i promise

but i got one of these, https://barkandjack.com/collections/straps/products/grey-nato-2-0

it says "seatbelt nylon", it is, it's super silky smooth, for the money, if you want a nato... get one of theirs

[ebon peak]

not quite COSC parameters but +8 isn't too bad

[obtuse grove]

spd is seconds per day?

that's not too bad

[normal cave]

yeah 8 seconds per day for a Hamilton is pretty good

cheaper watches go to around 15/20 seconds per day

[obtuse grove]

Yeahh

Seikos are around 20-30

Lower end ones*

[normal cave]

yeah lower end ones

[mental laurel]

so upset I missed these

r/watches be like the nicest watch youve seen on the most ugliest wrist you have also seen

[ebon peak]

they're not limited release

[mental laurel]

is the chip shortage affectin ma watches now

[ebon peak]

tbh probably

but in this case they just did like a limited in-store hype release

and they'll slowly release them online over time i think

[mental laurel]

maybe I go look if they have any next week

[ebon peak]

that was meant to be a reply

thanks discord

[ebon peak]

and then you got those grand seikos accurate to like 5 seconds a year

[normal cave]

yeah in general high-end watches are insanely accurate

[ebon peak]

yeah good luck lol

[normal cave]

that’s part of what you’re paying for

[mental laurel]

i dont see the point in that dont u have to change the time anyway cause daylight savings

[normal cave]

that’s not the point though

[ebon peak]

i think some of them are on GMTs

[normal cave]

how long can you use your watch before it starts becoming inaccurate

[ebon peak]

so you can just move the hour hand without changing anything else

also not everywhere has DST

[mental laurel]

anywhere that matters does

[ebon peak]

isn't the EU in the process of ditching DST like right now?

[mental laurel]

even if they do my point still stands

[ebon peak]

yeah i mean also like

you're right, like, setting a watch is kinda part of the fun

like this one's got day and date

and it's so fun to change the day

[mental laurel]

turning the knob give dopamine

[ebon peak]

but it's got an 80 hour power reserve and it's +8 seconds a day

when the hell am i gonna get the opportunity

[mental laurel]

technological advancements be like

[thorn spindle]

semiconductor shortage is really really really really really bad at the moment.

cannot stress it enough,

the competition for getting parts is ridiculous. today you have 400k components, tomorrow 17k, the day after 0 -- lead time of 52 weeks. jesus.

[obtuse grove]

o ye colour u work in electronics

[obtuse grove]

b r u h

[thorn spindle]

It's true. I had to THROW my design out of the window and design around what is available.

and sincerely hope those components didn't run out.

[obtuse grove]

The GPU shortage getting better tho

[thorn spindle]

I think GPU companies are stocking up on parts so they can manage the shortage better. lol.

i could be wrong.

[obtuse grove]

Better as in, no longer as bad as before

[obtuse grove]

Yea probably

Anyways back to watches

[obtuse grove]

they will go online soon right?

i think its a permanent addition to swatch

[mental laurel]

hopefully

I want the pluto one

[midnight cloak]

Congrats @mental laurel, you're now on lap 50

[mental laurel]

wow not seen that message in a while

[obtuse grove]

sheesh

[obtuse grove]

I love the mars one, reminds me of the Alaska project. So its either that or the regular moon one for me

[ebon peak]

Yep

Yeah I’m going Mars or Earth

Sun is pretty cool too

Ooh watch finder video on Nomos

[obtuse grove]

ooo ye

[mental laurel]

aight cool

[ebon peak]

Yeah it's why I don't really like that kind of video from them

The best value watch you can buy is a Casio F91-W

It'll tell the time, it'll never break, and it'll cost £7

It's so subjective but he makes such an objective claim, about a watch which is €1,600

Which is twice what I've ever spent on a watch, and I've spent far more than most people ever will

[mental laurel]

you spent 800 on a watch damn

[ebon peak]

800 euros

[mental laurel]

was it the coop

[ebon peak]

yeah

it's actually spot on lol

[mental laurel]

nice watch tbh

[ebon peak]

€800 = £674 and i paid 684.00

[loud coral]

Good ol' Pound Sterling

[ebon peak]

but yeah it's a stunning watch and i intend to own it for the rest of my life

so i'll probably spend more getting it serviced over time than i paid up front lmao

3-5 year service intervals

[loud coral]

Make it a heirloom (should you choose to, one day, have heir(s) ofc)

Or just wear it into your grave

Overpriced golf cart

[ebon peak]

bro like my heirs wouldn't just sell it

future ebay, 20 quid broken old watch

[mental laurel]

wrong channel whoops

[loud coral]

Pawn it for 20 quid

[ebon peak]

I mean at the end of the day if I have kids and one of them cares about watches, sure

But I didn't buy it for them

[loud coral]

Of course

[normal cave]

which watches do you think would make a great heirloom

[mental laurel]

apple watch

[normal cave]

I'd say anything by Jaeger LeCoultre or Lange & Söhne would always remain timeless in its design

[loud coral]

My father has a Tag that he wants to make a heirloom, a generational thing

[mental laurel]

yeah but youre a fanboy

[loud coral]

It was one of the first watches that he bought on his own merit iirc

[normal cave]

but even for watches like TAG or Grand Seiko, they'd do well

[ebon peak]

Whatever watch you want

Something with some personality

[loud coral]

Cartiers are some of the most common heirlooms I've seen

[ebon peak]

Also, actually just not a JLC

or a Lange

[loud coral]

Especially the Santos

[ebon peak]

They're too valuable

[normal cave]

I mean yeah whatever watch you want, but it's gotta be worthy of being an heirloom

[ebon peak]

Your kids will just sell a JLC

And if they don't, theirs will

[normal cave]

depends on which family it's being bought for

[ebon peak]

I think it's an Omega

Like an Aqua Terra

[loud coral]

I mean, worthiness is kinda subjective. At the end of the day, anything that is sentimental, can be made a heirloom

[normal cave]

I know, but in general

[ebon peak]

No one's selling their family heirloom Omega unless they're really broke

At which point, you're helping from beyond the grave

[normal cave]

Omega is a really good shout

[loud coral]

I've seen Casio heirlooms a lot, as well as some Seikos

[ebon peak]

There's always that too, I mean, most people who own "passed down" watches

Just own the watch their parent or grandparent actually wore

And most people don't actually wear expensive watches

[normal cave]

Grand Seiko for me would be an heirloom if I decide to have heirs

[loud coral]

Anything that has Rolex's label on it just gets sold

[ebon peak]

Yeah I think Grand Seiko's in the same ballpark as Omega

[loud coral]

I reckon Tudors would make good heirlooms

[ebon peak]

Tudor Black Bay 36

Similar to the Aqua Terra in a lot of ways, just cheaper

Or an Explorer I, but no Rolex insta-sell issues

Plus a 36, makes it feel old fashioned lmao

[loud coral]

A Black Bay, any leather-strapped Omega, and a Santos. That's my heirloom trifecta

[normal cave]

how about a Breitling

[ebon peak]

plus i think the 36 uses a "Calibre T600"

which... you guessed it

is a 2824

[normal cave]

I mean yeah if you asked me to choose one heirloom it would be either the watch I wanted to make or a Grand Seiko

[ebon peak]

And on a watch you intend to last for... generations, having a ETA 2824 movement makes that a LOT more likely than something more obscure

[mental laurel]

Omegalul

[loud coral]

I've only ever seen war-era Breitlings "passed down", and that too not necessarily passed down but just found amongst your grandfather's belongings, either at the time of his death or during one of those monthly deep cleans

[normal cave]

the only thing standing in my way to finish my concept watch would be the balance wheel and the dial printing

of course I want to get a better mainspring too

[ebon peak]

nah it's pretty common to see Navitimers get passed down

[loud coral]

I've seen a couple of Panerais though

[normal cave]

it's another good watch to pass down I'd say

[loud coral]

10/10 cinematic camera work

[mental laurel]

Livin my best life bro

[loud coral]

As you should king

What's the watch though?

[mental laurel]

Old russian thing

Molnija

[loud coral]

Very very sexy

[ebon peak]

fr?

i was gonna joke like "vostok amphibia"

but it's legit also Russian

[normal cave]

yeah I recommended it to him

[mental laurel]

70€ last year for my bday

[normal cave]

how’s it working

[ebon peak]

damn

[mental laurel]

Tells the time 👍

[normal cave]

it’s an old Soviet watch so I’d imagine pretty well

dunno how they made such robust movements

[mental laurel]

The watch makers were sent to the gulag if they werent durable

[ebon peak]

my vostok is rusting

[normal cave]

yeah probably lmao

[ebon peak]

I'm so glad I bought my vostok

because it has no nice to have features

aluminium bezel

that bezel is bi-directional and friction fit

doesn't have hacking seconds, its version of a quick set date still requires you to move the watch backwards and forwards from 9pm to 3am

and it has a really annoying wobbly crown

fair play to it, it does have hand winding

[mental laurel]

Where band

[ebon peak]

on a better watch

[mental laurel]

Wow squidgame

[mental laurel]

Rude

[ebon peak]

uni-directional clicky ceramic bezel, hacking seconds, quickset date, isn't literally rusting, keeps better time...

no i think it's just fair

sapphire crystal not plastic lmao

[ebon peak]

new moonswatch copypasta just dropped

I keep seeing all these posts complaining about the Moonswatch and how it’s quality is not what they expected or that they’re hard to find. Many also feeling that this was a “blunder” or “misstep” by Swatch and these posts/comments are driving me crazy. What on earth did they expect? Did these people really think they were going to get a playfully colored omega for the price of a Swatch? This is a Swatch. You’re getting Swatch quality for a Swatch price. This is a Swatch that looks kind of like an Omega, NOT an Omega that looks kind of like a Swatch.

And if anyone thinks producing a watch that has people waiting in lines around the block and paying way over retail to get one of these this was a “misstep” you have a thing to learn about business and the watch industry. This is a page right out of the Rolex playbook. The shortages are artificial and intended to create hype/demand. And it’s been a genius marketing move. Just wait a few weeks, once the hype dies down, Swatch will suddenly miraculously manage to find a way to meet demand and sell these online.

Thanks for listening, I’m done with my rant.

[loud coral]

Everyone loves a Portugieser 😍

[normal cave]

I don’t know, the red dial is a little off-putting to me

if it was a white or black, I’d love it because it’s a classic design

Arabic numerals with 12/6 subdials

steel case, leather straps

[loud coral]

I personally love the dial. I think it goes really well with the crocodile strap

Very cabaret

I think it’d pair really well with a dinner jacket

[normal cave]

well yeah I don’t mind the colour of the dial, I would just prefer white

[normal cave]

thanks @mental laurel

[mental laurel]

🤝

@ebon peak was this you

[loud coral]

I was about to tag him on this

[ebon peak]

Ffs

[ebon peak]

Oof

Moonswatch online release delayed indefinitely

[mental laurel]

cringggggg

[obtuse grove]

oh :(

https://youtu.be/9ShNH6kgNS8

[normal cave]

today’s Lange watch, the Lange 1A

personally I don’t like it, but the finishing is impressive even if it’s tacky

[ebon peak]

yup

also i mean romans

i never like romans

also s/o to the AR and that photographer because damn

there may as well be no crystal on that watch in that photo

[normal cave]

I don’t like the gold dial

but it’s meant to resemble a concept from the 1850s, which was marked “1A” for highest quality

which apparently meant gold upon gold and rubies in the 1850s

[ebon peak]

yeah

all langes are gold right?

[normal cave]

yeah, but this is the traditional shade of gold