ot｜watches

[obtuse grove]

ooooo the watch gt that's pretty neat

that's epic

[twin crescent]

oooo

we have a watch channel now

nice

here's mine

and on leather

it's vegan actually

it's smooth and you can notice that it's not as grainy as regular one

but it's nice

[nimble tiger]

Sexy

[obtuse grove]

hot

[hasty plank]

ye it looks great 😄

still hesitating which one to get myself

https://www.seikoboutique.co.uk/product/seiko-5-sports-flieger-srph27k1/ probably this one, ig it would look lovely with a nato strap

[twin crescent]

dunno, the new generation costs way more than the previous, and that's basically just for the new movement 4r36

that's a hefty price bump over this https://www.creationwatches.com/products/seiko-automatic-sports-89/seiko-5-military-automatic-snk809k2-mens-watch-1713.html

what 4r36 has over the old one is hacking (ability to stop time by pulling the crown - old one keeps on counting seconds when adjusting minutes), a bit higher accuracy and manual winding

nice to have but not essential

either way both are incredible

[hasty plank]

wow that's cheap!

basically interested in this aviator style

got a few more pinned, the big question ends up being: how much do i spend

https://www.laco.de/en/watches/pilot-watches-basic/pilot-watch-aachen-42mm-automatic-leather-strap
https://sanmartinwatches.com/wp/product/sn030-g-v2/
https://deklawatches.com/en/pilot/typeb_40
https://www.hamiltonwatch.com/fr-fr/h64611535-khaki-aviation-pilot-day-date-quartz.html

[twin crescent]

Laco would be amazing for the historical accuracy :>

[hasty plank]

ye it looks like dem old ones with some radium painting to see in the night lol

oh no that's the dekla one

[twin crescent]

honestly the new seiko 5 flieger is so expensive that it's actually closer to laco than the old seiko 5

and laco has sapphire

[hasty plank]

sapphire?

[twin crescent]

yeah sapphire crystal which is scratch-resistant

seiko has hardlex mineral - in my experience still pretty good against scratches but sapphire provides complete peace of mind in that regard

[hasty plank]

ok 🙂 and laco was a german watch maker of WW2?

[twin crescent]

yeah

https://www.laco.de/en/history 'turbulent company history'

[hasty plank]

right

[twin crescent]

Even under the most difficult conditions, business continued during the Second World War: as one of five manufacturers, we produced reliable watches for the pilots of the German Luftwaffe.

the five was:
Laco
A. Lange & Sohne
IWC
Stowa
Wempe

IWC never tell you that do they 😛

what's funnier is that IWC isn't even german, they just saw a booming business opportunity 😛

[hasty plank]

rofl

[twin crescent]

should i cop the thinkpad watch

wanted to get the original ga2100 but wanted black without the inverted screen which this finally is

now the new model has solar + bluetooth

[obtuse grove]

I have the original 2100, the one with white markers and hands

[obtuse grove]

if you like the look, definitely

[twin crescent]

Yeah I saw the full blackout version in person and I loved the look and lightness but i couldn't see shit lol

I have an inverted B640WB and i can't see shit in it 😄 compared to f91w which is clear as day

[obtuse grove]

lmao rip

Inverted displays are actually alright for me

but I'd still prefer the normal one

[drifting brook]

yo wtf

there's a watches sub-forum

i found my people

as long as you all aren't as corny as r/rolex we cool

[drifting brook]

really need to add a blue dial to my collection tbh

here's my seiko

SNKL23 on a tan leather strap

[twin crescent]

@drifting brook

[obtuse grove]

very epic watch

[twin crescent]

Pink NATO moment

[drifting brook]

the patrician's choice

[drifting brook]

thanks, its definitely a beauty

[drifting brook]

I know vintage watches are highly recommended against for budget collectors (maintenance costs and all) but I had to pull the trigger on this beauty in an eBay auction lol

Vintage Oris from the 1930s. Sector layout with small seconds. The white dial has aged absolutely gorgeously and those teardrop lugs are a super unique look that I have never seen in modern watches.

The ultra thin hands and clean dial design give this one a surprisingly minimal look that still feels pretty fresh

It does lose a decent bit of time everyday, so I'm definitely going to need a service sometime in the near future lol

[twin crescent]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUPJ-s8OKXs

now i know how to pronounce casio

[drifting brook]

i wish Casio would make stainless steel versions of some of their cheapest watches. absolutely beautiful designs, let down by poor materials. I'd be willing to pay a fair premium just for that tbh.

my top 2 picks for that would be

the casio royale

and

the 168w

[twin crescent]

Tried this out in a watch store, should I pull the trigger

[runic spruce]

I like it

Can u twist the top

[drifting brook]

Depends on how much it’s costing you. If you’re buying it for retail price, you could probably upgrade to a slightly better quality dive watch for another $20-$30

But it’s a nice watch by itself! If you’re getting it on a discount, it’s an absolute steal

Can’t go wrong with Casio

[twin crescent]

It's 70€. Name better diver for 100

No I ain't buying an invicta

[drifting brook]

Please. I would never debase you or my own taste by recommending Invicta out of all companies

A good dive watch is tough to find at this price range but I have 2 solid suggestions. Will actively keep a lookout for more, since now you’ve got me also interested in purchasing a dive watch for about $100 LOL

My top pick would still be a Casio actually, but an Edifice model. Casio EFV-130D

It costs just barely over $100 at retail and is available in Blue, Black & White dials. 100m WR + Single tone bezel. I think it looks a lot more elegant and the finishing is definitely going to be a step up from the one you were looking at.

It has a nice sunburst effect on the dial along with color highlights detailing in the WR text + second hand that gives the whole look more dimension and not so much like a “beginner’s watch”. Also you get a stainless steel strap which I much prefer to Rubber.

My 2nd option is....

The Orient Mako II

Usually around $120-140, but it can definitely be found for $100 during sale periods and is 100% worth it. Far better build quality and finishing, and you get an Automatic Movement to boot.

plus, it also has a sort of two-tone, pepsi dial model like the one you were looking at with the Casio

I should mention, these are only options from well-known manufacturers. You can also check out watches that are spec monsters (sapphire crystal, mechanical, etc.) and really well-built within your price range if you're willing to go down the Ali-Baba homage route (given you stick to the trusted brands there like San Martin, Steeldive, etc.)

Will definitely let you know if I find any more!

[twin crescent]

Behold

my stuff

[drifting brook]

F91-W on the steel strap is ultimate chad behavior

Honestly I envy your strap collection more than the watches LMAO

this is sick man. Still in love with your blue dial Seiko

[twin crescent]

I wouldn't buy a watch from aliexpress, but straps are pure bang for your buck

[drifting brook]

real shit

I’m thinking of buying a stainless steel case for my Casio Royals

One of the greatest watches of all time imo, but heavily let down by its case

[twin crescent]

unfortunately they sent a 22mm silicone white instead of 20mm but too lazy to ask for a refund

instead gonna buy a 22mm watch to put it on 😄

[drifting brook]

omg 😆

that’s awesome

any specific 22mm lug ones you got your sights on?

Silicone white strap will also be a very interesting look. Mostly associated with smartwatches, but I just know it would look incredible with the right wristwatch.

[twin crescent]

silicone white would look great on seamaster i think but it's 20mm anyway and i'm not gonna buy it any time soon 😛

[drifting brook]

yeah I’m not in that tax bracket either 💀

fantastic pairing either way

can’t wait to have “fuck it” money and drop like $10k on a watch one day lol

Lot of small independent watchmakers I have my eyes on

Would love to buy pieces from D. Dornbluth or Kikuchi Nakagawa when I can afford it

[twin crescent]

i refuse to die until I've owned a Lange

1 to be specific

[drifting brook]

Oh hell yeah, me too

Which one

I’ve got 2 I want

[twin crescent]

1

maybe saxonia thin

[drifting brook]

god this one is just a stunner. reminds me of this one H. Moser piece, can’t remember the name

If i'm ever rich i'm going to spend an unholy amount of cash on lange

especially on

[twin crescent]

Then again

[drifting brook]

1815 Tourbillon Handwerkunst

[twin crescent]

Saxonia thin would compete with Credor Eichi in my dream watchbox

[drifting brook]

would also love the blue dial Zeitwerk Minute Repeater

[nimble tiger]

Sexy

That would be the night sky?

[drifting brook]

credor is stupid underrated by watch enthusiasts

[twin crescent]

everything seiko is

[drifting brook]

this is one it reminded me of. h. moser moonphase. just a work of art.

[twin crescent]

looks great but i like indices

[drifting brook]

this isn't to tell time it's just for the vibes

when you get so rich that time is irrelevant

honestly if i ever get to japan, i'm gonna try hunting down those JDM specials from every affordable brand

i just know all these companies have some serious heat just reserved for the japanese market

[twin crescent]

sakurawatches.com

peruse

I find it interesting how the holy trinity - Seiko, Casio, Citizen - each have a shitton of subbrands for JDM

[drifting brook]

oh yes please

[twin crescent]

Sheen, Edifice, Premier, Presage, Brightz, Luikia, Spirit

check out the upper price offerings from Citizen

it's bonkers

[drifting brook]

damn i'm just having a look

wtf hahaha

never thought i'd see citizen watches with this much dial detailing

if you gave me a hundred guesses as to who made this watch i still wouldn't guess citizen 💀

[twin crescent]

I wonder when Grand Seiko is overrated to high heavens and isn't the value it used to be, is The Citizen gonna be the "underrated luxury" pick for everyone?

[drifting brook]

if they play their cards right by bringing models like these to the international market, i have no doubt that kind of market adjustment can happen eventually

seiko has slowly but surely been creeping their prices upwards

it will definitely hit critical mass at some point

[twin crescent]

to be fair their "cheap but not shite" reputation was equally unfair

they are bringing seiko upwards, while introducing subbrands like Alba and Lorus as value kings

fair

[drifting brook]

yeah that's true. do not blame them for trying to uplift of the seiko name as a whole. that's honestly the only thing holding grand seiko back in the luxury market.

i kinda wanna get that lorus titanium watch as a beater but it's always fucking out of stock everywhere lol

[twin crescent]

want to weep?

sort G-shock by price descending

[drifting brook]

breh

never thought i'd see a g-shock that costs $6000+ straight from a dealer but we're here now

you gotta be a different breed of collector to drop $6k on a G-Shock

[twin crescent]

tbh it's lim ed

[drifting brook]

probably have a few FP Journe's lying around before you got bored and made that decision lol

second most expensive is still north of $3000. absolutely bonkers.

definitely bookmarking this site for when i want to make irresponsible financial decisions.

the collection here is amazing

thanks for sharing the link

[twin crescent]

Also I love how Citizen solved the Hublot screw alignment issue by using tri-wing screws https://www.sakurawatches.com/citizen-eco-drive-one-ar5074-53e

[drifting brook]

LOL

leave it to the japanese to improve upon anything swiss watchmakers set out to do

[runic spruce]

I have a citizen eco drive :p

[drifting brook]

that is horological history in a nutshell

[twin crescent]

god tier mate

[drifting brook]

let's goooo

[drifting brook]

share a pic when you get a minute

[runic spruce]

Not best pic cause im at an airport

[drifting brook]

that's an interesting dial, never seen this model before

[twin crescent]

Not my kind of dial but i can vouch that you can't go wrong with a citizen

I prefer hour markers to minutes

[drifting brook]

i fuck with the fact that the subdials have no separation from the main dial. adventurous design decision

[runic spruce]

I wish the the top would spin like the watch I have on rn

[twin crescent]

speedmaster reduced moment

[drifting brook]

which one are you wearing rn

[runic spruce]

Some not as expensive watch

Champion Jetsport

^

[drifting brook]

just looked it up

very clean looking dive piece

love the red second hand & text against the jet black dial

[runic spruce]

That’s a different style jetsport then

Cause this is mine

[drifting brook]

this is the one i'm looking at

[runic spruce]

Oh wow that looks sick

[drifting brook]

oh i see

[runic spruce]

But yeah the top is spinny which I like

[drifting brook]

i don't think i'll ever have enough sauce to pull off a two-tone watch lol

[drifting brook]

yeah barely anyone actually uses an analog dive watch to dive, but it's nice knowing that what you're wearing has some real functionality

it isn't just for show

[runic spruce]

Yep

Unlike the citizen

[drifting brook]

i really need to get a dive watch sometime soon

i have my sights on this vostok watch inspired by the fifty fathoms. but its so fucking difficult to find

[runic spruce]

Is breitline or however you spell it good?

[drifting brook]

which has been exacerbated because vostok is russian and its way tougher to get shit from there after the war lol

[drifting brook]

breitling is great an entry level luxury sportwatches!

the navitimer is their most iconic watch

very well built and meant to be used in challenging situations

[runic spruce]

Okay I heard something about it saving lives in a S&R mission

[twin crescent]

bitch, seiko is luxury

i find these monikers - entry level luxury, mainstream luxury, premium luxury, etc cringe

fact is, anything that's not F91w or apple watch is luxury

[drifting brook]

they can be, but sometimes are necessary to delineate the different price brackets. there is definitely a price-to-quality correlation with most companies

[twin crescent]

because you're paying a premium for a thing that can be replaced with a basic timepiece

[drifting brook]

i think if you start looking at watches like that its a slippery slope

[twin crescent]

Yeah. I wish there was a number that could accurately portray the difference in the money you have to pay for it at a glance

[drifting brook]

anything more than an F91 W is excessive in pure utilitarian terms lol

[twin crescent]

I believe that this hair-splitting of what is entry-level luxury, etc. was created by rolex fanboys to make them feel more special about the overpriced trinkets they had bought

oh you bought an omega? nice entry-level luxury piece. shame it can't even be mentioned in the same sentence as my datejust

[drifting brook]

LMAO

rolex fans are WOAT

i will never buy a modern rolex. only vintage and only if it's a horologically significant piece.

[twin crescent]

I like Milgauss

[drifting brook]

god i hate what rolex has done to the watch market

[twin crescent]

maybe sub if i'm situated and get it from AD

but i hate everything related to the hype culture

[drifting brook]

i wouldn't even wear a sub cause i hate what the whole company stands for

[twin crescent]

sneakers, PS5, rolexes - miss me with any of that

[drifting brook]

like, if i ever get famous and my watch opinion matters, i will make it known that i'm an avid rolex hater LOL

if i ever have $10k to drop, you best believe it's going straight to JLC, Omega or Grand Seiko instead of an overpriced Submariner

[twin crescent]

yeah

buy 40 Seiko 5s instead

[drifting brook]

unfathomably based

[normal cave]

used Seikos are honestly some of the best value for money in terms of watches you can get

I hope you've all seen the new Lange

their 1815, now with Rattrapante

typical Lange, really. gorgeous, classic, and insanely complex

[drifting brook]

sheesh

[drifting brook]

looking at a lange from the back just never gets old

[hasty plank]

hey J, what's the favourite watch that you own

[drifting brook]

rattrapante is such a neat complication too

[drifting brook]

thinking of getting a new strap for my Edifice chronograph. i want a leather strap with a bit more personality instead. already got plenty of black and brown straps.

I was thinking of some more colorful straps. Which one of these is your guys' favorite?

considering either these dark blue, maroon and like a forest green color straps

if you guys have any other suggestions, lmk

[normal cave]

it's a great complication. I've tried making one on my own, but to no avail so far.

[drifting brook]

wait wtf, you're a watchmaker 😳

who can (almost) make a rattrapante 🤯

[normal cave]

thing is that it's essentially two chronographs stacked atop each other. the hassle comes with making sure they don't interfere with each other

[drifting brook]

yeah it's extremely complex mechanically. just the idea of synergising those two chronographs in a single movement is mindnumbing

[normal cave]

for that you need a specific set of levers and cams, which have to stop one chronograph from overlapping with the other while remaining seperately stoppable. the Lange Triple Split is basically a lot of this

[normal cave]

hahahaha, no I wouldn't call myself that. I'd call myself a hobbyist watch repairer. it's a good business on the side, but it's by no means my main job.

my main job at the moment is going to university. quite a terrible job, but yeah.

[drifting brook]

curious what you study at university if repairing/building mechanical movements is your hobby lol

[normal cave]

medicine

when I graduate, I can technically call myself the Watch Doctor

now that would be epic

[drifting brook]

that is most certainly not what i expected LOL

i thought you'd be doing like structural engineering or architecture given your hobby

[normal cave]

hahahaha, what did you expect then?

oh no no, I'm not a physics guy by any means

biology was always a passion

[hasty plank]

he never replied...

[drifting brook]

maybe it's night in his timezone lol

[hasty plank]

no it's 1707 like here

[drifting brook]

that's freaking awesome

[normal cave]

most likely my Seiko. I don't have a model number for you, but it was used.

decently vintage

[hasty plank]

show me pls

[drifting brook]

share a pic please when you get a few free minutes!

[normal cave]

"vintage" is just a way of saying "I got it for cheap" at this point

[hasty plank]

repairs?

[drifting brook]

i got a vintage oris too. won it in an ebay auction.

[normal cave]

I'll show you when I'm home. currently in the library

[hasty plank]

okok

[drifting brook]

this one

[normal cave]

sick! I like it

[hasty plank]

havent been to a library in a while

uni libraries are awesome

[normal cave]

hah, I shouldn't be on here, but yeah, the library is certainly an experience

a boring one at that, but an experience nevertheless.

[drifting brook]

yeah it was a steal. £90 for a vintage watch from the 30s from one of my favorite brands in well working condition

[normal cave]

oh shit, insane

[drifting brook]

i honestly miss being able to go to my university library whenever i needed some peace & quiet

[hasty plank]

why can't you

[drifting brook]

how much did you get your seiko for

[hasty plank]

here you can get a subscription for them iirc

[drifting brook]

i graduated in 2019 lol

now i'm out in the "real world"

[hasty plank]

i'd have to check actually that's a good point

i could probably use a uni library subscription again

[normal cave]

300 euro. was a little cruddy, but nothing some soapy water, polish, and grease couldn't fix

[drifting brook]

fair enough. most vintage pieces just need a little love as long as they weren't beater watches by their original owners

btw, looking for strap suggestions for another watch i posted above!

[normal cave]

yeah I haven't really bought a watch in a while, and nor do I plan to, for now at least.

[drifting brook]

would love your guys' thoughts

[hasty plank]

51 euros for a year to borrow books from the uni libraries

[drifting brook]

i always feel that way, until something catches my eye and then i'm checking my bank balance 😂

[hasty plank]

check it out if you're interested, yuou might be able to get just that for quite cheap

[drifting brook]

if i lived close to my university i could've walked in most times. my uni is in the US and I'm currently in the UK

[hasty plank]

no uni close to you?

[normal cave]

I have three things I'd like to own when I'm retired.

1. any A. Lange & Söhne watch
2. a 1:8 scale model of the Jaguar XJR-9 #22, Silk Cut, made by Amalgam
3. a good house

the first item on that list essentially rules out watch purchases that won't give a profit for me

[drifting brook]

there is actually, i might take your suggestion and hit it up

[hasty plank]

it's cheaper than like... 2 technical books bought at a bookstore

[drifting brook]

lange to me is the pinnacle of watchmaking. perfect balance of respect the traditions of old while pushing hard into the future with technological advancements under the hood

[normal cave]

certainly

[drifting brook]

i also think lange is way more thoughtful, conceptually, than a lot of people give it credit for

my mind automatically goes to the zeitwerk

[normal cave]

I've been inside their factory, "worked" there last year in the summer

my dad has some... guys who know other guys in Glashütte

[drifting brook]

it's like one of the most complicated watches on the face of the earth, built to tell time like it's a digital watch LOL

that's like Dadaism in watchmaking

[normal cave]

and I'm in Germany, we have residence in Glashütte. why not

[drifting brook]

wow

true envy from me to you hahaha

but i'm sure being familiar with watches on the inside, you got more from the experience than i ever would

that's so cool

[normal cave]

lmfao. it's a magical experience

it's more like a laboratory than a factory. everything must be a certain way

[drifting brook]

that makes so much sense, considering what lange is

[normal cave]

oh yeah. I did machining stuff, helped out the other people there. mainly the laser cutters, seeing if they were okay, loading, that kind of stuff

it wasn't much, but it was insightful

the case is easily the hardest part to machine for a Lange watch, and any watch, for that matter.

[drifting brook]

i hope you are going to specialize in some kind of surgery because the medical world could use the kind of mechanical finesse that you obviously have

[normal cave]

hahahaha surgery... well. not sure if I want to go there yet, but yeah. I'll consider it

[drifting brook]

that's so fascinating. i've always thought that honour would go to something within the movement

especially with more complicated movements

[hasty plank]

he really has some magic fingers 😏

[normal cave]

oh no. remember, the case has to be perfect. it's also the largest part, and the easiest for a computer to mess up

it's curved, too. it's also usually cut from hard metal.

[drifting brook]

That's quite eye-opening to me

Even being an avid watch enthusiast, i often fixate on dials and movements and forget about the damn thing both of those are housed in

When i see dials like the ones on the Handwerkunst Lange's, my mind just goes blank about everything else lol

[normal cave]

the dial, yeah that’s another tough one. that’s more finishing, not machining

finishing is another level, to be honest. it’s all done by hand, with chisels and hammers and the sort. it’s tough business; long and uncertain.

[normal cave]

cases cut with honey gold require special care. honey gold is Lange’s own alloy of gold. it’s tougher and harder than other types of gold, and as such, it needs to be cut out of the mold with extra care

the main way to do it is to melt it, put it in a mold, then remove the mold or remove the cast thing. then it’s off to polishing and finishing. cutting it out of the mold is the hardest bit

it can easily break

[drifting brook]

so it's marginally tougher than gold, but not enough to chip and chisel directly

it needs to be formed directly into the final shape that it needs to be in?

[normal cave]

that would take too much work and energy. it would also lead to potential imperfections

mold is the best way to go. finishing can take care of whatever extra bits the mold caused

[drifting brook]

what about the more typical case materials at lange? are they machined into shape or molded for an absolute perfect result?

[normal cave]

chiseling… well, they don’t do that anymore. laser cutters are more the norm now

chiseling currently is for finishing

that’s all done by hand

[normal cave]

most parts themselves are cut from silver by a laser cutter. it’s powerful and precise

it’s just not powerful enough do the same for the cases

think about it. the case itself is one solid curved disk, with depth and hollowness for where the rest of the movement fits. the machine cutter can’t do that, because for it to do that it would need to

1. be operating for long hours // increases costs for no reason
2. have 360 degrees of motion, as well as the ability to shift on the x, y, and z axes. that’s new machinery, which, yeah they can develop. it’s just easier to do the same thing with a mold

melt the metal, remove any slag, pour it into a mold. remove the mold, all good. one perfect hollow, yet curved disk

[drifting brook]

this not knowledge that i ever thought i'd be privy to. much less on an F1 discord server lol.

i appreciate all of this a lot more than you know

what you're saying makes perfect sense. never thought of it that way.

a clean mold is easier to work with than complicated machinery reducing a solid block of metal

[normal cave]

but, Lange is currently experimenting with some new stuff. we may say goodbye to the mold sooner than you think

[drifting brook]

oh boy

now you got me all excited hahaha

anything lange does i'm here for

[normal cave]

the main way to do this is with machine cutters. create a CAD design for the part, tell it to the machine; cut this diameter, this depth, and these bits at the top (strap attachment points)

mechanical lathes, for example, with robots that can move in all axes. complex machinery, but precise

[drifting brook]

does lange use molds for only for the case or do they use it for certain movement components as well?

[normal cave]

mass manufacturing already uses them. the question is if Lange can get it to cut the materials they use

which, probably, they can

[normal cave]

not really for anything else. everything else can be done by mechanical cutters

palette wheel, balance coque, whatever. it can all be done

[drifting brook]

Is there any sort of separation at Lange between those who design the watches and those who build the watches? I imagine not, since the whole thing is hyper technical, but i'm curious if there's even a slight separation, creating instances where the design challenges the engineering, or the engineering challenges the design

[normal cave]

the Zeitwerk.

that’s a recent example

the Zeitwerk was tough to do, allegedly, because you need three rotating disks for hours and minutes

how do you get a movement to do that?

[drifting brook]

i know the zeitwerk is well known, but it is still according to me painfully underrated for what it is, both technically and conceptually

[normal cave]

change the digit-minute disk every minute, change the tens-minute disk every ten minutes, reset the whole thing every hour, and move the digit-hours disk every hour

it’s not easy

[drifting brook]

and it's not even like that slow switch that happens with most mechanical watches as the hands go from 9 to 3

it's instant

that is utterly insane

[normal cave]

the conception was based on one of F. A. Lange’s clocks, but reworking it for modern design in a wristwatch was tough

that’s one case where the design challenged the engineering.

now the inverse, where the engineering challenged the design: the triple split

we could do the triple split, but how do you make it look good, and not just a hodgepodge of dials and hands

how do you keep the Lange design elements traditional, while fitting so much into the dial?

how do you fit such a huge movement into a case?

these are all questions they need to think about before they can even get to making a prototype

[drifting brook]

i can only conceptualise what sort of marriage needed to be made between design and engineering for the triple split. the dial is just as cluttered as any run of the mill chronograph, which is insane, considering how complicated it actually is.

[normal cave]

here’s another thing they think about. how do we lay out the movement for the triple split? with so many moving parts; cams, levers, gears, escapement, you name it — how do we lay it out so it packs the most stuff within the smallest package?

that was allegedly an extremely long process. finding the most efficient way to stack everything

[drifting brook]

yeah, you don't want it getting thick like those ultra diver watches that go down to 1000m

at the end of the day, Lange makes dress watches

it has to somewhat fit under the cuff of a dress shirt lol

[normal cave]

yep

[drifting brook]

you are absolutely blowing my mind right now

[normal cave]

epic

[drifting brook]

absolute joy to have you convey your knowledge to me

i feel like i'm in a candy shop right now

[normal cave]

the other thing Lange take no compromise on: stress testing

[drifting brook]

interesting

[normal cave]

place the watch at different angles, at different locations. upside down, handing, swinging, moving

because remember, you’re wearing this on your wrist. this is going through a lot of forces as you move your arm, twist your wrist, etc

those all apply a force to the escapement, the timekeeper—if you will—of the watch.

[drifting brook]

how long do they generally run stress tests on a watch for before they launch? since most watches in this price bracket are essentially family heirlooms. they have to survive for decades

[normal cave]

some forces can cause the escapement to click faster, slower, in a different orientation. that’ll make a small difference in the movement of the hands, but small adds up throughout the day. you need to make sure your watch doesn’t need to be changed at the end of the day

[drifting brook]

ok i genuinely hate to do this, but i need to get back to work 🥲

[normal cave]

usually a week, or a little more

[drifting brook]

i hope you don't mind if i ping you now and then to pick your brain

[normal cave]

sure, I’m available

[drifting brook]

that's crazy. i would've thought a lot longer than that

[normal cave]

a week, yeah, but they’re being tested for 10, 12, 14 hours

[drifting brook]

oh ok i see

[normal cave]

that’s close to 100 hours of testing

it’s a lot. they make sure it’s tested properly

[drifting brook]

absolute pleasure getting your insights. thanks a ton

can't wait for our next chat 🙌

[normal cave]

of course!

[drifting brook]

LOL

that's how i feel doing link changes on cheap bracelets. just madness.

[obtuse grove]

This is the greatest watch review i have ever read

Here's my 2100 (repost)

[normal cave]

nice picture!

[drifting brook]

always love a nice casioak

[obtuse grove]

Thanks! It was actually quite a random picture just to show my friend my phone's macro camera

[twin crescent]

SUS

[twin crescent]

Seiko in global markets be like:
yet another special edition of SRPD

Seiko in JDM be like:
https://www.sakurawatches.com/seiko-issey-miyake-to-ny0n005

[obtuse grove]

w h a t t h e

That looks sooo cool

[obtuse grove]

s u s

[drifting brook]

that watch looks thicc

and sus indeed

[drifting brook]

damn that's pretty

this is how you make a "fashion" watch. i love that the entire thing is stainless steel too. probably feel so solid on the wrist.

[obtuse grove]

absolute hunk of metal

[normal cave]

Seiko always makes good designs

[obtuse grove]

the SKX is bacc

kinda

[drifting brook]

shoutout to the Casio Royale. best $30 I ever spent

The stock stainless steel strap has no right being as good as it is.

[twin crescent]

@drifting brook it looks great, especially with your top-grade pics. How's the bracelet? I don't imagine Oyster quality in that price bracket but it looks plenty solid in the pics

That being said, watch nerds and their stupid nicknames... Casio Royale is a weird name. So basically they made this pun on a movie where Daniel Craig wears an Omega... because it looks vaguely similar to a Seiko watch that was worn by Roger Moore in Octopussy lol

Well, at least it's better than Rolex fans naming a 15k€ watch after a soft drink, marvel character or a frog puppet 😛

[obtuse grove]

wdym, kermit is the best name for my green Rolex >:(

/s

[drifting brook]

I will admit it definitely looks better than it is built. Each link has more individual mobility than it ideally should, so whenever the watch moves there is always a little jangling. That said, it's not even close to being a bad bracelet, objectively speaking. I've seen Seiko 5s with far worse steel straps and those cost more than 3x than this one does.

at the risk of sounding like a rolex-level stan, i will say that the brushed steel looks a lot more expensive than it actually is, if that sort of thing matters to you

i've had more than a few people comment on the fact that they were surprised to see a digital watch attached to a strap like that. even non watch people

it even catches normal folks off guard because they think it's just another expensive steel sports watch and then BAM...casio

[drifting brook]

tbh, i think this is just a natural consequence of the utterly awful naming conventions of casio and also seiko

i mean

Casio Royale does roll off the tongue far easier than Casio AE1200WH-1A

i don't blame watch nerds for finding easier buoys to latch onto in this storm of bad branding practices lol

i know they have a surfeit of models, but they should take a page out of the big boys playbook

Omega Seamaster, JLC Reverso, Vacheron Constantin Overseas

watches need names. not model numbers.

[normal cave]

this is why I like Lange

and Jaeger, for that matter

[drifting brook]

i think brands that put in the effort to carve out an identity for their watch models express intent in a way that subliminally affects the buyer to look at them as more "luxury"

every item feels more bespoke

even if its straight off a conveyor belt

Seiko have done a good job with their upper mid-tier watches like the Presage and Alpinist, but they need to bring that same attention to detail down to the Seiko 5 line

and Casio barely has any attention to detail when it comes to this sort of thing

It's all about showing the intent to be a one-of-a-kind timepiece, even if it transparently isn't

[obtuse grove]

Is it a Japan thing?

Even Sony has 'catchy' names

WH-1000XM4

Oh boy does that roll of the tounge well

I'd mistake bluetooth headphones for a nuclear reactor

[normal cave]

hey, which watch do you have?
oh it’s a Sony AG-16659MX63-AA2
oh no way! the Sony AG-16659MX63-AA2 is such a sick watch! I have a Seiko S1639-A1729X2
yoooo awesome!

[obtuse grove]

XDD

Literally

[drifting brook]

What do you all think about the Omega Speedmaster Chronoscope? It seems to have quite a polarized response. Some people absolutely love the look and others think the dial layout is an utter mess.

I'm at the very least glad that Omega has finally worked on a speedy that isn't 99% an aesthetic change and worked on really pushing it ahead. It's got a tachymeter, telemeter and pulsometer. That's a combo of complications I don't believe we've seen on any past speedmasters.

[hasty plank]

i find this design too complicated

[obtuse grove]

woah

[normal cave]

I’m a subscriber to the design philosophy of Lange and Jaeger, which is simplicity in the face of complexity

this to me, does not impress. it doesn’t make me feel some way for it, though it is nice what they’ve done

[obtuse grove]

Yikes

you might neeed a 41mm cyclops to go with it

[normal cave]

to me this feels like chronometers piled on top of each other on a dial, which isn’t something I personally like

I would much rather have simplistic design yet complex mechanical elements below

[drifting brook]

yeah i think they dropped the ball on this one a bit. really had the potential for a home run here

[obtuse grove]

It's a unique take to the speedy so i think its cool, but yeah I'm a function> form guy

[drifting brook]

@normal cave reminds me of our conversation about design challenging engineering vs. engineering challenging design. omega was faced with the latter and did not deliver lol

from a purely aesthetic POV, i actually don't mind it too much. reminds me a lot of the heliocentric drawings copernicus made, idk if that parallel is intentional

but from a functional standpoint, it's so hard to read shit LOL

[obtuse grove]

I like it in that regard too

[obtuse grove]

Exactly

cool they did something new, but not a fan

[drifting brook]

likewise

i do like that they have realized that dying on the speedmaster hill is not a good long term strategy so they've shifted some focus elsewhere as well

one my my favorite ones they've done is the Aqua Terra Seamaster World Time, specifically the blue dial model

it's kind of a crazy looking watch, not something i usually would like, but it just clicks for me

[obtuse grove]

I love the depth on the dial

[normal cave]

it’s funny how brands are either simplifying or overcomplicating nowadays

I think you’ve seen the new Navitimer

that’s an example of taking a historic design and just simplifying it too much, so it loses its spirit

[normal cave]

these issues are never easy to resolve, because usually what happens is when you fix one issue in design, implementing it in engineering causes problems. then you fix that, and the design’s all messed up

[obtuse grove]

[drifting brook]

just shopping for the core essentials

[drifting brook]

oh yeah i did lol. looks so sanitized

speaking of pokemon watches

throwback to when Romain Jerome came out with a $258,000 Pokemon Tourbillon

man really thought he had one here

[normal cave]

too polished. they removed what makes a Navitimer a Navitimer

[drifting brook]

yeah, i think brands sometimes don't realize what they have going for them

simplification with intent is fine. but simplification for the sake of it is inane.

especially when you got something that's truly iconic

[twin crescent]

what's the worst fake you've seen on craigslist or your local equivalent

I'll start with this beautiful Quartz Lange

How about whatever this is

Only a few people know that Oysterquartz wasn't the only Rolex quartz watch

Who knew that Seiko 5 line had quartz watches with Swiss movement? Not sure about the logo font change tho, never liked it

How about this skeleton Submariner

with an open caseback and weirdly decorated movement. I always found this reference so uncharacteristic of Rolex which usually are more conservative in their designs

And I always found the dive bezel rather pointless in the Daytona, shoulda gone with a tachymeter like Speedmaster

[twin crescent]

@normal cave your new watch is here

[obtuse grove]

what a roster

[normal cave]

haahahahaha

that is one chonky strap wtf

[normal cave]

ah yes, the famous Quartz Lange

you know, the one they totally made

[grand cargo]

TAG Heuer or IWC?

[drifting brook]

what the FUCK

fake lange is insane

[grand cargo]

Lange's are expensive right

[drifting brook]

very

you wanna send your kid to college or buy a watch

you choose

[normal cave]

worth every penny

[drifting brook]

real shit

none of that fake inflationary bullshit

every lange piece is a work of art

[normal cave]

it’s art, essentially. it’s wearable, functional mechanical art

[drifting brook]

i wish i had a picture, but i once ordered a Casio A168W, which is like at best a $15-$20 watch

and i got a fake

like

what even is the profit margin on a fake, baseline casio

[normal cave]

you know what they call the movement of the triple split at Lange?

[drifting brook]

what?

[normal cave]

“micro-city”

it basically is

[drifting brook]

god i fucking love lange so much i could cry

[normal cave]

around 570 parts in the movement

not the most they’ve ever done, but also, the interplay between them all is insanely complex

[drifting brook]

that lange triple split is just...whew

perfection

[normal cave]

I’ve held it

[drifting brook]

envy

lots of envy

lol

what is the weight like, comparing to one of their other relatively more standard watches

[normal cave]

heavier, a lot heavier

[drifting brook]

yeah that makes sense lol

lange to me today, is what breguet used to be all the way back

just perfection in form and function in a way that feels like it sets the baseline for the entire watchmaking world

[normal cave]

easily

but to me, the best Lange watch is not the triple split

to me, it’s the Richard Lange “Pour la Mérite” Tourbillon Handwerkskunst

[drifting brook]

just checked it out

oh my goodness

[normal cave]

insane

[drifting brook]

for some reason the regular Pour la Mérite didn't do it much for me, aesthetically speaking, but the handwerkunst edition is just something else

[normal cave]

you know something cool? when it’s not 8, 9, or 10 o’clock, the dial retracts

so you can see the tourbillon in its full glory

[drifting brook]

how does that even work lol. like, where does the dial retract to?

oh wait

i see it

i mean...come on

now this is how you communicate a deep respect for watchmaking

the most overengineered solution in the history of man, just so their beautiful tourbillon can be fully revealed

i fucking love it

[normal cave]

by the way, another cool thing is that this watch has both a tourbillon and a chain and fusée

so you get extreme accuracy in any orientation

[drifting brook]

i wasn't super familiar with a chain and fusée, so reading up on it right now

[normal cave]

the same way a tourbillon exposes the escapement to all forces of gravity all the time, the chain and fusée exposes the mainspring to a regulated, set unwinding rate

so you don’t get bursts of power when it’s fully wound, and the the watch slowly starts getting sluggish as the mainspring unwinds

[drifting brook]

jesus christ lol

it is definitely something i have thought about before, but i never assumed a solution existed

how very wrong of me

[normal cave]

it was actually invented before the tourbillon

[drifting brook]

did breguet do that one too?

[normal cave]

nope, way before Breguet’s time

16th/17th century

[drifting brook]

whaaaat. that's crazy

i wonder who was the first one who actually managed to cram it into a wrist watch

i'm sure when it was invented, it was used in much larger clocks

that is crazy though

lange is literally approaching digital watch levels of accuracy with a mechanical movement lol

[normal cave]

here’s the general design of one

[drifting brook]

i wonder how much time it loses over the course of it's running, compared to other high quality mechanical watches

[normal cave]

you’ll notice the mainspring barrel (left) has a constant radius, while the fusée (right) has an increasing radius

[drifting brook]

yeah i had a thorough read right now. it's so simple when you think about it.

[drifting brook]

yeah it compensates for the torque loss of the mainspring

i saw

that's ingenious

[normal cave]

yep

it’s simple gear ratios

[drifting brook]

this is why i love watches so much

literally hundreds of years old and essentially redundant, but it still finds ways to blow my mind

[normal cave]

currently we use something calling moving or going barrels

they have the gear wheels built-in directly

Lépine I think was the one who did that

[drifting brook]

interesting. so does that incorporate the mainspring and fuseé into one integrated component?

[normal cave]

the main reason chain and fusées aren’t used today is because escapement technology has come a long way

it’s also because it’s bulky as hell and vastly unneeded with going barrels

[drifting brook]

makes sense makes sense

[normal cave]

almost, it uses natural torque because it powers the geartrain directly

though it’s nowhere close to as accurate as chain and fusée

the benefit of going barrels is that you don’t need to stop the entire watch before rewinding, you can do that while it’s running

whereas with fusées, you need to make sure the fusée itself is disengaged

[drifting brook]

oh ok, didn't know that. that does seem like a worthwhile action to try and bring into this mechanism's functionality

[normal cave]

it’s worthwhile yeah

you don’t want to stop the entire movement every time you need to rewind

[drifting brook]

is this the only lange watch with a chain and fuseé movement?

[normal cave]

no

it’s in all the Richard Lange series, as well as the Tourbograph Perpetuals

[drifting brook]

having a look at the turbograph perpetuals rn

the things i would do for this one

[normal cave]

here’s something I bet you didn’t consider

the sudden bursts of power that a fusée experiences when you fully wind the spring

how do you block that

[drifting brook]

the moonphase on the handwerkunst edition is decadent

[drifting brook]

how do you?

[normal cave]

and also the excessive torque before the mainspring fully unwinds, because that’s the largest gear

you don’t want stress on the components

[drifting brook]

right. makes sense.

a bad fuseé could introduce similar inaccuracies and add even more complications to what an irregular mainspring does

[drifting brook]

that was my introduction to lange. the moment i came across it i knew it was different from anything else i'd ever seen

such a beautiful timepiece

truly. i think they're the absolute pinnacle of maintaining the traditions of a watch looking like a watch, while being an engineering marvel underneath the hood

a lot of high horology pieces try and purposely look not like typical watches

they are quite incredible in many ways. even design. but when you think about the essence of a wristwatch...like what a 5 year old would draw if you told them to draw a watch

no one does it better than lange

perfect marriage of traditional, while pushing extremely hard into the future

no, but the closest thing to that is a Zeitwerk. it is almost like Dadaism in watchmaking.

it's basically an insane amount of mechanical hyper-engineering, only to make it work like a digital watch LOL

i absolutely love it

it's like a slap in the face of pompous high horology, while being better than all of them at the same time

left is hours, right is minutes

7:52pm or am

zeitwerk is definitely on my list, if i am ever to make that sort of money

[hasty plank]

i dislike that design

[normal cave]

ratchets, mainly

behind the fusée, connected to it, is a ratchet movement which prevents the chain from just yeeting itself out of oblivion

[normal cave]

this is actually the Zeitwerk Minute Repeater

add all the complications of a Zeitwerk, then add a minute repeater

[normal cave]

I hope you’ve seen the 1815 “Concorso”

[drifting brook]

oh yeah, I know. I just think this is the most beautiful zeitwerk of them all and posted it for @vocal garnet to admire lol

[drifting brook]

god that salmon dial

just absolutely perfect

[normal cave]

only one in the world

[drifting brook]

every time I see a multi millionaire buy Richard Mille or rolex instead of something like a Lange or Journe, a small part of my soul exits my body

[hasty plank]

many millionaires have shite taste

[twin crescent]

at this point I assume that nobody actually buys Mille and most of their wearers are sponsored

[obtuse grove]

rocket chain 😎

[obtuse grove]

its cool

titanium carbon fibre mechanical g-shock

for 400k

I've seen worse things to spend money on for sure

But yes I'd rather have a Lange or something

just to stare at

for days

[twin crescent]

Lange x G-shock collection when

[obtuse grove]

Omega swatch who

[twin crescent]

bioceramic lange

Saxonia ultra-thin 😛

[drifting brook]

that collab would break the watch world LMAO

I would actually love to see it

[normal cave]

this is also something Lange CEO Wilhelm Schmid wants to address

he wants to expand beyond the niche and further into the mainstream

now how you feel about that is up to you. personally I think it’s good they’re expanding, as long as they keep their soul the same

[drifting brook]

i love it too

i'm in the camp where i actually think the Omega x Swatch collab was a fantastic idea

execution was so-so

[normal cave]

A. Lange & Söhne sponsoring the German GP when

[normal cave]

100% it was

[normal cave]

well, I guess when there is a German GP to begin with

[drifting brook]

i would love to see Lange's rendition of the standard, hyped up steel sports watch

[normal cave]

they tried that with the Odysseus

though, not a fan really of the Odysseus

[drifting brook]

oh yeah i forgot about that one lol

yeah it's not particularly memorable

[normal cave]

yeah not really one of their memorable models

[drifting brook]

it feels like a watered down showcase for individual design ideas from other more iconic lange pieces, instead of it's own thing

[normal cave]

Lange’s new models seem a little half-hearted

[drifting brook]

especially the big day/date layout which is a bit too reminiscent of the zeitwerk

[normal cave]

I mean, they launched the Carbaret a few months ago

I don’t think anyone remembers that

[normal cave]

but this has been broken by the 1815 Rattrapante

though… again, you can make the argument that that’s not a new model

[drifting brook]

that one is a complete home run

[normal cave]

so is its brother, the 1815 Moonphase

[twin crescent]

Honestly they could create a Tudor like brand for Lange

Build on Saxonia, just make solid everyday watches without crazy complications

Just solid build and a rock steady movement

[normal cave]

they weren’t launched at the same time by the way, but apparently the rattrapante was somehow inspired from the Moonphase

[normal cave]

I’d be in support of this

more Saxonia style watches

[drifting brook]

this is a solid idea

[twin crescent]

Occupy the niche that Glasshute original is taking lol

[normal cave]

to some extent, Glashütte Original does that, but they’re not exactly very good at it

[twin crescent]

As a poor man’s Lange

[normal cave]

yeah, exactly

[twin crescent]

Lange fliegers, just like the good old times lol

[normal cave]

ah boy

they should revisit their fliegers

the dual scale dial too

[twin crescent]

Here’s an advert slogan:

One for the mission, other for the parade

[normal cave]

oh yeah now that’s good

thing is right, Glashütte Original never really succeeded as much as they hoped for because they had that image of “poor man’s Lange” while Lange had no actual control over what GO did

[twin crescent]

Yeah I prefer Nomos in that price range

it's something unique and fresh

[normal cave]

if Richemont were to launch another brand which is like Lange, I would hope they would give control to Lange on decisions

[drifting brook]

yeah, lange needs to take that niche while also distancing it's design language just enough from what would then be its high horology brother

[normal cave]

imagine an 1815 but more affordable

to some extent that’s the Saxonia, but not really

[twin crescent]

make it cost... 1815€

😛

[normal cave]

hehehehe

[drifting brook]

i wish lange could hire peak gerald genta to make a new sports watch for them

[twin crescent]

nah

[normal cave]

I don’t think Genta would fit well with what Lange wants

[twin crescent]

I think RO and Nautilus are ugly

and massively overrated

[drifting brook]

i hate the RO

[twin crescent]

I prefer Oysterquartz actually

[drifting brook]

nautilius is not a bad watch, but the hype has blown it out of proportion

it is good for what it is

but the watch market is stupid

[twin crescent]

RO > Nautilus, I can't unsee the woman's hygiene pad bezel on nautilus

[normal cave]

hahahahaha

[twin crescent]

offshore is a definite improvement but it looks too g-shocky for a brand like Patek

[drifting brook]

bruh LOL

while we're at it

what has happened to AP

[twin crescent]

you mean the royal oak company?

[drifting brook]

everyone talks about omega flogging the speedmaster to death

[normal cave]

riding off their past successes

[drifting brook]

but AP

bruh

they literally do not even have another silhouette

just the RO

[normal cave]

this happens to some watch brands

[twin crescent]

well they tried with 11:59 and everybody shunned them

[drifting brook]

now they are making richard mille ROs LOL

with the royal oak concept

[twin crescent]

i fear Tissot will become the PRX company

[normal cave]

they forget that they’re a company and actually have to make new products

JLC had that phase for a while

[drifting brook]

hope not, but i would not be surprised

[drifting brook]

was that with the reverso lol

[normal cave]

yeah they just milked it until they couldn’t anymore

[twin crescent]

tbh Reverso is unique and timeless

but when people get sick of sports watches, AP is gonna find themselves in a bad spot

[drifting brook]

nah they're just gonna shove a dress watch dial into that octagonal shell and call it the royal oak eleganté or some shit

[normal cave]

probably

[twin crescent]

Never rated Reverso until I watched Mad Men 😳

[drifting brook]

i definitely want to own at least one reverso in my life

just a classic

and JLC is just such a great company

[twin crescent]

speaking of which

[drifting brook]

no nonsense

[twin crescent]

ordered this from japan

[drifting brook]

whoa

[twin crescent]

late night impulse buys YEEEEEET

and no

[drifting brook]

is that a ship above the seiko text?

[twin crescent]

that unfortunately is not Credor

It's Galaxy, a short lived line in the eighties

[drifting brook]

did you buy it from ebay?

[twin crescent]

no, mercari via buyee.jp

along with an iPod classic

[drifting brook]

damn you got all the japanese hook ups lol

[twin crescent]

fees are a bitch but you can buy proper JDM

[drifting brook]

fair compromise for something you will literally not find anywhere else in the world

[twin crescent]

https://buyee.jp/mercari/item/m64645087517?conversionType=item_browsing_history

Want this

[drifting brook]

this case is so fucking interesting

actually reminds me a bit of the Lange Odysseus we were talking about earlier lol

very narrow, slightly rounded bezel with a generally flat case shape

[twin crescent]

whoops wrong lange

I confused it with Cabaret, which I do not like

[drifting brook]

i only like the handwerkunst cabaret model too

idk something about the regular ones just don't do it for me

the handwerkunst one is gorgeous

[obtuse grove]

I really liked the Odysseus

[hasty plank]

did someone say fliegers

didn’t know Lange did some in the days. although i shouldn’t be surprised about it

[twin crescent]

have you heard of a tiny scuffle called World War 2

[hasty plank]

reminds me something i heard about in primary school

[twin crescent]

Lange was one of the five factories that made fliegers for luftwaffe

[hasty plank]

guessing they would be super expensive to buy tho 😦

even if it’s not the same Lange as before

[twin crescent]

https://www.chrono24.com/alangesoehne/a-lange--soehne-wwii-pilot-flieger-b-uhr-zertifikat--id22237922.htm

[hasty plank]

oh.

[twin crescent]

You can buy around 124 Timex Expeditions for that price

[hasty plank]

still no swatch omega in store..

[drifting brook]

they really botched the release on that one lol

[hasty plank]

at least it’s not a limited run so it’s great

[drifting brook]

[hasty plank]

lol

[drifting brook]

i do really like the MoonSwatch, but like every time, the hypebeasts ruin everything

[twin crescent]

moonswatch is shite

[drifting brook]

don't get me wrong, i would never buy one myself.

it is seriously not anywhere near it's price. but as a marketing exercise, it's excellent

[twin crescent]

for 250€ (which you're lucky to pay for Moonswatch) you can get a solid metal watch with god tier quartz or a solid automatic movement

[drifting brook]

it basically brought the same degree of empty hype to their brand like rolex usually commands

which, as much as we enthusiasts hate

is what brings the 💰

there is an entirely new demographic who gained an appreciation for omega where it never existed

but yes in terms of value for money, it's utter trite LMAO

[twin crescent]

how does it reflect to omega if the moonswatch colours your wrist, and then the pushers fall off

you just wait a couple more months and i bet the lugs are gonna break off too

[drifting brook]

well, i did say the quality of the watch and the release was a fail lol

but it did push omega into an unprecedented cultural spotlight

if you have high schoolers and saudi princes all vying for the same watch

that's wild

[twin crescent]

you know what put a brand in a spotlight?

pewdiepie flexing his GS 😛

[drifting brook]

that was heat LOL

[hasty plank]

epic

[drifting brook]

truly a historic gamer moment

yeah each one of them was supposed to correlate to a different planet

i'm not exactly sure tho

[twin crescent]

You can’t leave house without a 3 piece black tie suit if you wear it

It’s a sartorial faux pas

Time to torture Johann

[drifting brook]

honestly I think its more of a statement piece itself. keeping it cool with a T-shirt and jeans in the cool tones (black, blue, grey) and having this watch be the highlight would be nice

[twin crescent]

@normal cave observe.

[hasty plank]

haha

[drifting brook]

camera quality mirrors the state of my soul after seeing this

also the worst wrist roll I’ve ever seen, just as the cherry on top

[hasty plank]

🅱️

[drifting brook]

every time you are self conscious about matching your watch to your attire

just remember

there are people who wear these and think they actually look good

[twin crescent]

Every time you are self conscious about your watch remember

[hasty plank]

is that the Rod Stewart edition

[twin crescent]

No one even cares about your watch

Most people can’t tell apart Rolex submariner from Daniel Wellington

[hasty plank]

except Johann maybe

[drifting brook]

I’ve had 1-2 embarrassing moments when I’ve tried to talk to random people about watches

I saw someone wearing a Seamaster once and thought “ah, fellow watch nerd”

Turns out he literally just bought it because it was expensive and he doesn’t give a fuck about anything else to do with it

[twin crescent]

Tbh Rolex and more and more Omega too are the basic ass shit brands for people who want to buy something expensive

[drifting brook]

now even if I see something cool I just keep it moving

[drifting brook]

True true

Like if I saw someone wearing like an accutron

You already know that’s a real one

[twin crescent]

Speaking of which

[drifting brook]

it is just laughable how good the Seiko looks next to that Rolex

[twin crescent]

That’s the reflection

[drifting brook]

flat ass Rolex dial vs. chad sunburst Seiko 5 dial

[twin crescent]

If hardlex is good for something it’s the lack of glare

That being said while I deffo felt how quality it was, I couldn’t pick this one in particular

Not just the bezel which imo is too flashy for me, but also the Wimbledon dial

I don’t like Roman numerals especially in that config

[drifting brook]

likewise

Rolex at retail is not bad. It’s just that it is never on retail

And oh my goodness

probably even worse than any Daytona inflation I’ve ever seen

That Tiffany-blue style blue dial Rolex OP

I swear I’ve never seen a more overpriced watch on the secondary market in my entire life

and it’s not even a Tiffany collab

[twin crescent]

That was stupid indeed

Imagine buying an “ugly” op because it was cheap, and then selling it at the height of the hype

Stonks

And then buy it back after it crashes down again

[hasty plank]

ye these roman numerals don’t work imo

[drifting brook]

https://tenor.com/view/crowd-cheering-crowd-hype-cheer-cheer-meme-gif-22195506

Rolex fanboys when the crown moves from the right to the left side of the watch

yeah, I think it’s undeniable that the materials + build quality don’t match up to the price, but if you enjoy it I can’t fault you. I mean, when you look down to your wrist and see a speedmaster dial, that has to be worth something lol

If I had a bit more “fuck you” cash laying around, I would’ve 100% gotten myself one just cause

[twin crescent]

Why don’t they just make Omega x Pagani Design MoonWatchina

[drifting brook]

nah we need a Rolex Pagani collab, maybe pagani will teach Rolex how to make their own watches in a more cost effective way

[twin crescent]

Casio x Rolex MDV-106 Submariner

still waiting on nike car 2022

they've got 4 months

[vocal garnet]

GT4

[obtuse grove]

they better be working on it

:(

[loud coral]

Idk if you'll get this reference but this just screams Producer Michael

[obtuse grove]

True

[drifting brook]

oh my goodness i had completely blocked out that man's existence from my mind

[loud coral]

Man put a camo g shock strap on an AP

[normal cave]

the only difference being Swatch quartz movements are actually decent

quartz gets a lot of shit when it really shouldn’t

like yeah, cheap quartz is terrible, but quartz as a movement is honestly not even that bad

[thorn spindle]

what's a swatch?

[hasty plank]

a brand

[normal cave]

Swatch is a watchmaking company

[thorn spindle]

ah okay

I thought some watch technology

[hasty plank]

hmm doesn't leave much room in my budget.

ig Laco is my best bet

[normal cave]

hahahaha yeah the original Fliegers are always tough to find for cheap

and Lange doesn’t really make any of theirs anymore either

[hasty plank]

well i don't really want an original 1940 Flieger

i want a new one, from one of the original companies

[normal cave]

Laco is your best bet, they have affordable ones from the original designs

[normal cave]

yeah, that’s what I meant

[hasty plank]

yeah Lacos are decently priced

[normal cave]

the original Flieger manufacturers are a bit tough to find for cheap, Laco being your best bet from all of those

[hasty plank]

when im rich im getting a Lange flieger hehe

hmm im looking at them on the website, can't figure out the difference between the Aachen and Zürich

https://www.laco.de/en/watches/pilot-watches-basic

oh Zürich is quartz mb

while Aachen is automatic

you would recommend automatic? it's 80 euro extra

[normal cave]

I would recommend the automatic

if you want authenticity as well, spending the extra 80€ is worth it

[hasty plank]

right. the only remaining question is the diameter. my dad has lots of watches but he tends to have huge ones and i don't like that too much

[normal cave]

the original Fliegers were huge, like 55mm in diameter

today though I’d go with 40mm if possible

[hasty plank]

they have 39 or 42 for the model i'm looking at

[normal cave]

ah yeah, then it’s up to you

39 is a good size, but it also depends on your wrist

if you have a watch shop close to you, try out 39mm and 42mm sizes, and see which one fits your wrist best

that’s the best advice I can give you

[hasty plank]

ye that's what i thought i should do

[normal cave]

it’s a type of watch design that was used by the Germans during WW2

[hasty plank]

this design

[normal cave]

that’s the type B Flieger

there was also a type A, without the inner dial

[hasty plank]

i want type B, obviously

type A

Laco also makes a type C, idk if it's specific to them
basically type A with a chronograph

[normal cave]

type C is a new type of Flieger

it wasn’t used in WW2

[hasty plank]

were there chronograph watches in WW2 already?

i don't have a watch atm, and this is my design of choice

[normal cave]

as in, were they used?

[hasty plank]

idk if they had put this in a wrist watch casing

[normal cave]

they had

[hasty plank]

dope

but obviously useless for a flieger that's meant to be used in a plane during wartime

[normal cave]

yeah, meant for navigation

[hasty plank]

it give time at day and at night

with radium paint!!

or sth like that

[twin crescent]

@normal cave your thoughts on this

https://www.kallinichclaeys.com/

[normal cave]

those look nice

[twin crescent]

Finally

a pink watch

[drifting brook]

yo yo

how is my favorite group of lange lovers and rolex haters doing LOL

i've been busy recently, shopping for some high horology

[drifting brook]

i just assume that people who hate on quartz are insecure in other aspects of their life LOL

[hasty plank]

they drive pickup trucks yes

[twin crescent]

Dont worry we can talk all the shit we want about mechanical watch elitists

After all, they’ll be late to the meeting anyway

Anyway rate my OdorJust

[hasty plank]

that's a clock?

[twin crescent]

Perfume lol