#Which engine will be the worst next year?
odd heath
Clearly only 2 of you other than me have seen the projections
Care to share?
Twitter the almighty wisdom
fiery wyvern
Um
I just checked
And that video that has Mercedes and Ferrari as the joint fastest engines, is made by the same channel that predicted Red Bull Ford will be the slowest engine
The later video says that 3rd is Honda, 4th is Red Bull Ford, and 5th is Audi
But a lot of reliable sources are saying that Red Bull Ford did exploit a loophole
So looks like Mercedes Ferrari and Red Bull Ford will be the engines to beat this year
Still, Honda absolutely will be better than Audi
But also, if the Aston Martin STILL Turns out to be mid, hooooooo boy will I have some thoughts about Alonso's role in the team
lucid pendant
Should we really call it Red Bull-Ford? I mean, we also don't say Mercedes-AMG.
Ford is just a sponsor and has nothing to do with the engine.
fiery wyvern
They are helping with the engine
lucid pendant
They are helping with the engine
Not really. They are making some parts, 12 I think, based on Ford's DMLS infrastructure. But they could easily use a different party for this, since DMLS infrastructures aren't that expensive and several parties in Europe have it. I feel like it's only that Ford can say that they are actually making parts.
In reality Ford is just a sponsor. Even the story about how they would do the electric part is not true.
fiery wyvern
So they are just a private racing engine company with Ford as a sponsor?
lucid pendant
So they are just a private racing engine company with Ford as a sponsor?
Well, they also make the engine now with RBPT. So RBR is a manufacturers team. But Ford is a sponsor, yes. In the Dutch Telegraph they put it quite clearly (translated from Dutch):
Let's be clear: Red Bull manufactures and develops the engine. Ford reportedly pays fifty million dollars a year, so initially it is mainly a big marketing deal. However, in Detroit, the American manufacturer wants to make it clear that it also provides technical support to Red Bull's engine department in several areas. Ford's chief engineer Christian Hertrich explains at the brand-new headquarters just outside Detroit that Ford produces 12 unique parts for the Formula 1 engine, among other things.
To put that into perspective, a Formula 1 engine consists of at least 2,000 different, unique parts. But Hodgkinson also adds that Ford is “not just a sponsor” and that Red Bull can make use of the Americans' expertise in various ways, both technically and in terms of personnel.
“A major advantage of working with Ford, for example, is their production capacity. We use quite a few parts that we call Direct Metal Laser Sintering, or DMLS for short. You can think of this as a digital casting process, which allows us to produce these 3D metal parts very quickly. For example, the turbine housing is made by Ford, but according to our design.”
fiery wyvern
Well, they also make the engine now with RBPT. So RBR is a manufacturers team. B...
They are not an auto manufacturer so they're a private racing engine maker. The differences between them and say, Gibson and Mecachrome, is that RBPT is a subsidiary of a racing team, and they have technical support from Ford.
lucid pendant
They are not an auto manufacturer so they're a private racing engine maker. The ...
They don't have technical support from Ford. The DMLS-support is just so that Ford can say they are doing something. But DMLS-infrastructures have been used by teams for many years and it's nothing critical.
You're a factoryteam if you have factory support. With Honda and early on with Renault, Red Bull was a manufacturers team. It basically means that you have your own engine under your own control and you aren't buying it. They have that now with RBPT. The fact that RBPT as a company doesn't make an engine for a consumer car isn't relevant.
fiery wyvern
So if Mecachrome or Gibson made their own Racing team that used their engines, they would be a works team?
lucid pendant
Yes, indeed.