Red Bull drivers

[winter trout]

If Lindblad is promoted to VCARB in the event of Hadjar being promoted, he's gonna perform like crap. Pepe Marti would be better to promote. But I really don't think Hadjar should be promoted to the senior team. It would be a HUGE waste of his talents. The car is literally undriveable for everyone who isn't Verstappen. If he were to replace Tsunoda next year he would perform like crap and then be fired and probably never be able to flex his true talents in F1 again! Do I want him to go to the senior team eventually? Obviously. But it needs to be after Verstappen leaves, thus the car is more driveable.

[jovial wolf]

you are saying as if they are moving to rb with 2025 regs when the switch would likely happen in 2026
if anything, 2026 regs would be different so i cant confirm that yet

[winter trout]

I don't exactly know for sure, but I don't really think the Red Bull will be much more driveable next year

You have to remember that both Gasly and Albon struggled in the Red Bull before the 2022 regs

Yet both flourished in other teams

[novel field]

when the 2022 regs dropped perez closed up to verstappen before development took him away again

[jade plinth]

This poll makes it look like people think Yuki is currently redbulls worst driver.

I think he would be out performing both rookies if he was still in the

[novel field]

i think he’s awful personally

since gasly, he’s had de vries, old ricciardo, rookie lawson, and rookie hadjar as teammates

and he was pretty even on pace with both rookies despite them having a fraction of the experience

unsurprisingly he looks bad as soon as he has a good teammate again

[jade plinth]

Do you think Hadjar would be out performing him in the redbull

[novel field]

Outperforming Tsunoda? Comfortably

Probably not getting podiums but certainly points more often than not

[wispy narwhal]

Yes

[wispy narwhal]

The best driver in the sport right now, with the car tailored to him. He's beaten Lawson and Hadjar comfortably in the same machinery this year

And at RBR he came in with no testing and was better than Lawson. They can't keep Liam and drop Yuki next year

[novel field]

Comfortably beat Hadjar lmao

Hadjar outqualified him at his second ever race

He also hasn’t been any better than Lawson

The pace deficit has been higher

[wispy narwhal]

Red Bull
Max Verstappen versus Yuki Tsunoda
Head-to-head: Verstappen 16 - Tsunoda 0
Average gap: Verstappen ahead by 0.603s
Median gap: Verstappen ahead by 0.540s

Max Verstappen versus Liam Lawson
Head-to-head: Verstappen 3 - Lawson 0
Average gap: Verstappen ahead by 0.880s
Median gap: Verstappen ahead by 0.813s

https://www.the-race.com/formula-1/f1-2025-qualifying-duels-team-by-team/#disqus_thread

Can't argue with the data

[novel field]

Examine the race pace data

Thats where Tsunoda struggles more

He was 2 seconds a lap slower at Monza

Over 2 seconds slower at Silverstone

And extremely lucky Verstappen didn’t compete at Austria because he was very slow there too

Also Tsunoda was further off after Miami than Lawson was

So he was further off after 4 races than Lawson was after 2

[wispy narwhal]

Where are you pulling this data from?

Examine the results. Lawson was so hopeless at Red Bull that they dropped him after two races.

[novel field]

Race pace data largely relies on examinations from individuals so methodology is different

Theres two different comparisons though

Roughly 1.3s in race pace difference

And yes, thats including Tsunoda at VCARB but that probably plays into his hands lets be honest

The data for Lawson is slightly harder to find as fewer people study a comparison that no longer has any relevance

This account is the only one that does frequent race data (and included australia)