#Who deserves to be called the greatest f1 driver of all time
jagged apex
Fangio. Cause he was driving a deathbox of the 1950's and he won 5 championships. 4 of which were in a row. Plus, he was a bus driver from a football-focused country. FANGIO IS THE GOAT
chrome coral
0 votes for Schumacher💀
slender acorn
That dude that raced for Aston Martin is soooo tuff
I think his name was like land or like lancer or smth like that
mossy tree
who tf voted ‘someone else’
mossy tree
Fangio. Cause he was driving a deathbox of the 1950's and he won 5 championships...
drove against amateurs
void sable
I think his name was like land or like lancer or smth like that
No his name was Lancelot Poll
midnight iris
Why does Hamilton have so much votes. I'm not saying he's not one of the greats but he also consistently had an insane car.
chrome coral
Max shouldn’t have 4 votes for the same reason
spring vapor
michael and lewis
mossy tree
Why does Hamilton have so much votes. I'm not saying he's not one of the greats ...
Are we deadass
Because he has the most wins, most poles and most championships ever
What a dumb question
chrome coral
The best driver is in the best car almost every season
It’s still the driver’s job to put it on pole and cross the finish line first
broken surge
Good driver + good car = championship
spring vapor
No one has ever won a championship in a bad car
the closest thing i can think to that was keke rosberg in 1982
and his main title rival suffered career ending injuries 3/4 through the season
and his other main title rival died in a crash
nimble forge
Why does Hamilton have so much votes. I'm not saying he's not one of the greats ...
is this like a joke
severe crest
rancid cedar
Max getting more votes than lauda, fangio, mansell, vettel, senna, schumacher is diabolical
chrome bloom
Schumacher > Hamilton and it's not even close
midnight iris
Because he has the most wins, most poles and most championships ever
Again, in an insanely fast car. I'm not gonna pretend I'm some F1 expert or anything but Max has proven a lot more consistency in worse cars. Tbh I think the correct answer is nobody can be because F1 is both a constructors and drivers sport
tawdry basin
I will back it up if you want:
First of all, no he did NOT drive in an era without competition. Stewart, Surtees, Brabham, Rindt, Gurney, Hill, McLaren and Hulme were no slouches, they won 11 WDCs and over 70 races between themselves.
He thrived in an extremely dangerous era across the broad spectrum of motorsport, not just F1. And in that very sport, mechanical failures were the only thing stopping him from equalling Fangio's WDC record. In fact, if he had won the following three races(all of which he led comfortably when he retired), he would have achieved that:
- 1962 South African GP
- 1964 Mexican GP
- 1967 French GP
8 Grand Slams remains the record he set, with the likes of Lewis Hamilton and Michael Schumacher achieving 6 and 5 respectively despite far more races and wins to their names.
It's not all stats, you have to see what he achieved to believe it. There are too many impressive performances but here are the five greatest of his career imo:
1962 German GP: Dropped to 26th at the start, then overtook 17 cars on the first lap alone and was consistently 3-4 seconds quicker per lap than any other driver, almost crashed twice due to how hard he was pushing, and eased off eventually, finishing 4th.
1963 Belgian GP: Started 8th, overtook every car in front of him before the first corner and won by over 5 minutes in torrential rain despite transmission issues.
1965 British GP: Led comfortably until his oil pressure dropped to dangerous levels, Graham Hill caught up but Clark held him off for the win.
1966 Dutch GP: Despite a far heavier car that was consistently slow all season he fought Jack Brabham(who had the best car that season)for the win and even built a 10 second lead but was forced to pit due to a faulty water line(he still finished 3rd).
1967 Italian GP: Led from pole comfortably, lost an entire lap on the leaders and then regained it only to lose fuel pressure on the final lap and finish 3rd.
I have no more characters so counter me if you want.
tawdry basin
Max getting more votes than lauda, fangio, mansell, vettel, senna, schumacher is...
I agree when compared to vettel but not to the rest
rancid cedar
I agree when compared to vettel but not to the rest
Not even senna?
tawdry basin
it's a bit of a toss up for me yk
Max's career is yet to be concluded
he's a brilliant driver and might be better than senna but I can't judge properly for now
mossy tree
Again, in an insanely fast car. I'm not gonna pretend I'm some F1 expert or anyt...
What has Max proven in worse cars?
He’s won one world title in inferior machinery and it was incredibly circumstantial
Hamilton has two titles in inferior machinery, won races in the 2009 mclaren, and put the 2010 mclaren in the title fight
Saying max has a lot more consistency in worse cars is an incredibly ignorant take
silver silo
spring vapor
imo either schumacher or hamilton
schumacher's performances in years like 1995, 1996 were legendary despite being in inferior machinery
nimble forge
I will back it up if you want:
First of all, no he did NOT drive in an era with...
i feel like clark is more of a motorsport all rounder than an f1 main
ofc hes still insanely successful at f1
tawdry basin
i feel like clark is more of a motorsport all rounder than an f1 main
Well yeah, he was 1964 BSCC champion, 2-time F2 champion, 1965 Indy 500 winner(by 2 minutes), 4-time Tasman Series champion and he also drove in sportscars, NASCAR and rallies. But that doesn't detract anything or add much to his value in F1. It only cements him for me as the greatest racing driver of all time, not just F1 driver.
tawdry basin
schumacher's performances in years like 1995, 1996 were legendary despite being ...
agreed, and if Hamilton got P2 at the 2010 Spanish GP(optionally also P4 at Hungary)he could have won the 2010 title in the McLaren, which was clearly third best that season
he also could have theoretically won 2007, 2012, 2016 and 2021 for a total of 12 WDCs
tawdry basin
What has Max proven in worse cars?
he was impressive in 2020, arguably the best driver that season
just the Mercedes was way too dominant for him to properly fight Hamilton(he still was seen fighting Bottas a fair bit and a couple races also challenged Hamilton too)
spring vapor
What has Max proven in worse cars?
he was pretty solid in years like 2020 tbf
and what we r seeing this year is also great
tawdry basin
max's 2022 title also doesn't get enough credit, yes he had the best car but look at his points deficit to leclerc after 3 races
he showed he was a true world champion after so many setbacks that season including winning despite grid penalties later on like Belgium and Hungary
mossy tree
he was impressive in 2020, arguably the best driver that season
‘Arguably the best driver that season’…
bro what
and how would that prove anything
numerous drivers have won a couple races in seasons of domination before
tawdry basin
it's not about the wins it's about the races he drove
he actively fought and pressured Mercedes on his own despite them having the best car by a deficit similar to McLaren this year
spring vapor
I agree when compared to vettel but not to the rest
yeah
max > vettel
the fact he has more votes than all those guys other than vettel is wild tho lol
recency bias
midnight iris
He didn’t fight Hamilton
To be transparent I'm a newer fan (I discovered it early 2023), but I'm gonna guess you just didn't read what he said because if Max was fast enough to challenge Bottas there had to be some races where Lewis just has an off day. Again correct me if I'm wrong