Hadjar has a worse car

[cedar lava]

Hadjar would be beating Kimi if they had equal machinery.

[violet arch]

i see recency bias has severly affected the votes of this poll

its hadjar and its not even close im sorry

[vocal fable]

I'm glad people finally see how good Isack is

[ornate fossil]

i still think its kimi

he just has a far, far higher benchmark to face

[vocal fable]

Kimi have a better car

[ornate fossil]

no one said he didn’t

but being half a tenth off george in some races is very impressive

[lunar hull]

this is why my vote is kimi

hadjar's teammate is Liam Lawson

meanwhile kimi's is a top driver and is having one of his best seasons

[ionic frost]

Isack has performed better than expected, Kimi hasn't.

If this poll was one race earlier, it would be Isack winning.

[lunar hull]

because isack's expectations were lower

[ionic frost]

yeah because his performances set those

[lunar hull]

hadjar has been good but cmon kimi has a far more competitive teammate and has shown more pace

[cyan notch]

I’d say Hadjar but in equal machinery I think it would be comparable to Oscar and Lando

[lunar hull]

I'm not sure what your point is here

tbh

[ionic frost]

I don't think he has though (shown more pace).

[lunar hull]

being a tenth or two off Russell is more impressive than a few tenths ahead of Liam lawson

[ionic frost]

Not necessarily

Last year Antonelli was slower than Hadjar in F2

(Ik that's because he jumped from FRECA but it's still a fact)

Hadjar has really impressed, particularly in quali, meanwhile Antonelli has been out in Q2 twice and is by far the slowest driver of the top 4 (save the RBR second seat)

And it's more than just 1-2 tenths off Russell

[lunar hull]

hadjar had a season of f2 beforehand + prema were shit

[lunar hull]

australia: p4 in the race (p16 to p4 while hadjar didn't even complete the formation lap)
imola: he didn't feel comfortable at all over the course of the weekend

(Imola is not an excuse)

but anyway

[ornate fossil]

No its because the campos was faster

Kimi being 0.05s off russell in equal machinery is more impressive than anything hadjar has done

[violet arch]

uh what happened in monaco

the toughest track on the calendar and hadjar was p6 and kimi finished dead last. and dont bring up the shitty merc strategy cuz he shouldnt have qualified there in the first place

[ornate fossil]

equally you could say

what happened in australia

toughest race of the year and antonelli went from p16-p4 whilst hadjar didn’t even start the race

[ionic frost]

PREMA are notoriously good in feeder series though. I know spec series are by no means completely equal, but that's not an excuse

[ornate fossil]

did you watch the 2024 f2 season?

the cars were changed and prema fell back into the midfield

them and art, the two best teams the year before, were some of the worst on the grid

[ionic frost]

yeah ik that

but it's still a spec series

the cars aren't going to be miles apart based on setup

[ornate fossil]

they are

f2 cars are far from equal

[ionic frost]

In 2024 PREMA got 5 wins and 7 podiums, they were bad but not horrendous

We can't say Antonelli is better because he is within x gap of Russell. Hadjar may well be doing that in the same car, if he got that hypothetical chance.

[ornate fossil]

they also had the best junior series lineup of all time

and hadjar’s gaps to lawson are nothing special

its around 2 tenths

thats like tsunoda level in 2024 i believe

[ionic frost]

so being at the level of a 4yrs driver pretty much immediately isn't impressive?

[ornate fossil]

no

well yes

but not when the comparison is top 3 driver on the grid