albon >

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albon >

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nuh uh

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uh huh

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russell >>

look at their 2018 f2 seasons

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Albon better

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2018 was 6 years ago

tbh it's too hard to really compare Albon and Russell

Albon had a great debut season but he was clearly rushed in

Russell has great pace but he just seems to make too many mistakes relatively speaking

and now albons been in a shit car that used to be decent at a few tracks but had zero downforce

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albon is getting almost matched by Sargeant in a more upgraded car

russell is beating Lewis Hamilton consistently

levels

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matched by Sargeant?

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almost

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1 raceweekend

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he's getting closer

Sargeant was running 2023 parts for Monaco, for example

the team hasn't been kind

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Even if he does, Sargeant is the 2nd best f1 driver in history (behind Latifi)

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and also if we're talking about junior formulae Sargeant had a pretty good junior career

Sargeants got pace

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LMAO

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we've seen that

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Therefore albon is cooking

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yeah but Lewis has more, and George is beating him

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he's just too frustrating

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I agree tho logan has pace

I rate him

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is Lewis really at his best rn?

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still lewis

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Lewis is focusing on Ferrari

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8-1 in qualifying or smth

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Ofc Russell is gonna beat him

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then wb 2022 and 2023?

2023 Lewis did better I agree

but only later in the season

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random but sargeant has outqualified Perez more than Albon

that's just

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☠️☠️☠️

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horrific 💀

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incredible

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if we're going on gp quali alone Sargeant has like 6 or 7 quali dubs over perez

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listen, I think Alex is a great driver

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and 0 over alex

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but George is more so

he does make mistakes, but he's faster

alex makes mistakes too remember

Australia for one

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I'll always back my boy but Ill admit we haven't seen as much from Alex (but a good amount of that is down to machinery)

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true but George seems to make more when he's under pressure while racing

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red bull

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recent examples include australia this year (partly on Fernando yes but George got caught napping a bit), Singapore last yr, and Canada fighting lando

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"but he was rushed" George was rushed into that merc in sakhir and did AMAZING

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that Merc was much easier to drive than the red bull

and also Albon should have had a win as wlel

austria

2020

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let me show you something ok

yes this was in 2018 but

RUS
2
3
4
1
1
1
4
2
1
3
1

AVG: 2.09

george Russell's qualifying in f2

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bro had those ready 😭

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I used it to compare him to norris

it won me the debate

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dw I'm not gonna say Alex had as good a junior career as russell

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but it shows George has more pace

speed

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not always

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ultimately the most important stat in f1

imo

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you can get better at a slower rate

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alex just hasn't shown that level of eliteness George has imo

i can name many examples where russell showed he was him

not so much so for albono

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like Russell had the better f2 season than Lando but I think this year has proven Lando is faster and much more refined

especially in the wet that man is a demon

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idk man

mclaren had the fastest car in Miami, Imola, and canada

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Merc had the fastest car in canada

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he couldn't beat max in Imola, was outqualified by oscar

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definitely over one lap and race pace was pretty good as well

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although Oscar is good

and a bit of a mystery

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that's racing tho, and also it's max

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ok we are getting off topic

albon vs russell

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Albon v Russell lets wait till Williams returns to glory

bc Vowles is cooking

icl I back Albon to beat Sainz if they become teammates

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a few moments of Russell eliteness:

• Austria 2020 q
• Portimao 2020 Q
• sakhir 2020 Q & r
• Belgium 2021
• first few races of 2022 (consistent top 5s until unfair dnf)
• Brazil 2022 Q & s & r
• Canada 2024

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idk if U can call Canada elite necessarily

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quali yes

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it was a good quali

race he lost P2 due to mistakes

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if it wasn't for the mistakes imo

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but mistakes can't be ignored

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he'd clear albon so much there wouldn't be a debate

max 2018 remember, he made mistakes in his time

and? he's elite

this'll blow over in a year

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yh but max was a little boy

Russell is no Verstappen

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name some albon elite moments

and Albon is no russell

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hmmm

my point is, Russell clears albon; albon hasn't shown that level of eliteness nearly as much has he has
yes, Russell may make more mistakes, but he's faster, more consistent, and has just had a better career overall in whatever car he's driven

I rate albon as a solid midfielder but Russell is a top driver

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I mean I ain't been watching F1 for too long but since 2023 (and a few others before)
China 2019
Brazil 2019
Austria 2020
Australia 2022
Australia 2023 (quali)
Canada 2023
Zandvoort 2023
Qatar 2023 sprint (that car should not be scoring anything at a high speed downforce track 💀)
Monza 2023
Vegas 2023 quali
Monaco 2024
Canada 2024

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elite?

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I agree from what we've seen Russell probably is better but I personally would back Albon to match Russell at least but that's just me

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yes?

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ok

that's agreeable

albon on his day can match an off form Russell

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on form

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not on form

an on form Russell clears

lemme graph this

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what is an on form Russell in f1

like an example

Brazil 2022?

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Belgium 2021

Brazil 2022

yeah that kinda stuff

Canada i suppose

quali not the race

what was he doing with Oscar man 😭

Russell's peak clears, but their base forms are close enough to each other

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bro acted like oscar didn't exist 💀

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what even are mirrors?!!

nah but let's say thats an off form russell

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don't ask stroll

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albon in 2020 was nowhere

that's off form

he was bad

austria was good, so was Tuscany, but other than that

😭

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Albon 2023 was very on form

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russell hasn't had any time spans nearly as bad

as albon

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tbh Qatar sprint is probably the most impressive performance from Albon in 23

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better

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yes

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that was good indeed

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however that much of a gap between their peaks is a bit of a stretch 💀

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yeah it's an exaggeration

plus I can't draw that well with my fingers lmao

but my point stands

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fair enough

still back albono to beat Carlos when they are teammates tho

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ok that's it

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I'm confused

albons troughs are lower than Russell's?

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here

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yes

sorry my wifi is fuckin

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Albon better

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sending images at weird times

no he isnt

insanity

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Yes he is

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how so?

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How many times has albon crashed when Sainz wins?

0

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Russell did 3 times

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sainz has no part in this

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Therefore albon better

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i won't entertain this

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see this

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Wtf is that

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Yea he does

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Russell's performance vs albons
top is their peaks, bottom is their worst
russells peak and lowest point are higher, but albon tends to be closer to his peak than Russell

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ok? sargeant points?

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he's driving a heavier car

he had the 2023 wing in monaco

he didn't even get to do australia

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albon is in a literal shitbox

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and Sargeant is in a dumpster?

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and hes still scoring points consistently

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consistently??

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once sure but he would have score dhere

that’s two weekends in a row

last year sargeant got one point

ONE

how many did albon get?

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he scored in Monaco where you cant overtake

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remind me

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ok? albon is better than Sargeant i know?

that's not up for debate

Sargeant is getting closer

almost matching

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put russel in the williams and he will perform the same

if not a little worse

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he will outperform albon

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in my humble opinion

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there's no way ALEX ALBON is better than George russell

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uh yes there’s a way?

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anyway the vote is 19-9 rn

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i think

at the least

albon is equal

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.

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maybe a little worse since less experience at the front

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did you see his 2020 season?

he was given a red bull

a win contender

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yes i did

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and he scored one? podium

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mate he was rushed

russel had so much time to develop in the williams

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if you're good enough you're old enough

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albon was rushed the fuck in

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my opinion:
russell

• has higher highs
• has better pace and consistency race to race
• struggles with mistakes

albon

• has lower lows
• more often closer to his peak than George
• generally slower than George

an in form albon can beat a somewhat in form russell

but an in form Russell clears an in form albon

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alr wtv

i think we need more evidence

to make conclusions

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fuck it

albon at merc

make it happen

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yeah bet bruh

idgaf about this antonelli kid

i’m done with this guy being stuck at williams

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😭

judging by my name you can tell I'm a huge kimi fan

but put him in Williams, let the kid develop

albon at merc pls

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exactly

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no sainz at merc

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ok that's it

no, this is

what the fuck

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nuh uh

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Sainz is better

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then who

albon

maybe

if albon goes to sauber or williams let’s see what albon foes

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on occasion and only in like practice