George v Lando

[foggy iris]

Lando, makes less mistakes, is often more consistent and is still rapid
Also George's racecraft is a bit eh compared to Lando's (he just fully turned in on me, crikey)

[marsh phoenix]

mmm

[coarse wren]

Russell was in his first year at the team and beat a 7 time champion.. His few mistakes doesn't devalue his amazing accomplishments throughout the season

[foggy iris]

it being his first year at the team doesn't really change much and beating Lewis really was more to do with Lewis running experimental setups
and yes his first year at Merc was amazing, don't get me wrong, but he made some mistakes and has shown some less than ideal racecraft at points which Lando has not displayed

he was majority at fault for the Silverstone crash, room perez out at Austria although some of the fault does lie with Perez there, he made a stupid divebomb on Perez in France and then had a rant even though there's no way he could have made that move, he took Sainz out in Austin and then there's the disaster that was him hitting Mick on the fucking straight in Singapore

whereas Lando's biggest, and pretty much his only major mistake in 2022 was probably sending Charles into the wall in Brazil, and that wasnt really on the level of George's mistakes

and then there's the fact that he was the only driver outside of the top 3 teams to get a podium

[coarse wren]

Almost like he’s in his first year at the team

Vettel was once known as the "crash kid"

Lando has lost to Carlos twice, and beat a terrible Ricciardo twice

[foggy iris]

yeah but we're talking about right now

[coarse wren]

Russell has beaten a 7 time champion

[coarse wren]

so what?

it proves that it doesnt matter lmao

Every driver do silly mistakes, and Russell did some this year. Even with those mistakes he managed to win a race, get a pole and beat a 7 time champion

Lando has achieved 0 wins, and lost twice to his teammate

[foggy iris]

well obviously Lando lost to Carlos in his rookie year, Carlos had 4 more years over him, and 2020 was very close, and comparing him to Ricciardo doesn't do much, you have to compare him to the performance of other drivers and then take into account the machinery

[foggy iris]

Lando would have achieved a win in monza but was told to stay behind Ricciardo because it was better for the team, and Russell has got a pole and a win because he is in a top team, Lando isn't

[coarse wren]

Yes, and Lando has done great in that departement, however Russell has done far better. Russell didn’t fumble under pressure, like Lando did in Sochi.

oh and

F2 2018 checks out

🤷‍♂️

[foggy iris]

F3 2016 also checks out, no point bringing f2 into here because f2 is different

[coarse wren]

Ricciardo was still faster than him for 90% of the weekend and set the fastest lap after that radio lmao

[coarse wren]

It’s more recent, therefore more relevant lol

[foggy iris]

still 4 years ago, so not relevant

[coarse wren]

and wdym f3 2016?

Stroll won F3 in 2016?

[foggy iris]

Lance Stroll beat Russell

so

[coarse wren]

yes?

[foggy iris]

Lance must better than Russell obv

[coarse wren]

Do you know why Stroll dominated F3 so much?

[foggy iris]

and maybe the reason for that is Norris was quicker but told to stay behind so he reduced his pace...

[foggy iris]

no because it was a sarcastic point

[coarse wren]

yes because its not like Ricciardo would fight him for the win or anything.. Point is obviously that Ric was still fast, like Murray said "catching is one thing, passing is another"

[foggy iris]

Sochi is an eh example because the team also takes some blame there, should have been more assertive

[foggy iris]

yes and passing at monza when you're quicker and drs is enabled is not exactly hard

[coarse wren]

One beat the other in F2
One has a win
One has a sprint win
One beat a 7 time champion

Need I say more⁉️

[foggy iris]

yeah no I'm not really gonna bother anymore, all of these points have clear reasons why Russell has achieved them and Norris hasn't

but you still use them as points as if it's a conclusion

[coarse wren]

One beat the other in F2 - Equal machinery
One has a win - Lando bottled one
One has a sprint win - Lando has never been in the position to win one so wtv
One beat a 7 time champion - The other lost to a mediocre midfield driver and beat a washed driver

[foggy iris]

1. 4 years ago, things change massively
2. Russell has a win yeah, but he's also in a Mercedes, a top team with a top car capable of winning races
3. Yeah so I really don't know what your point is here
4. That 7 time world champion sacrificed basically the first half of his season to help the team and probably is the reason why Russell had the car to win the race
   And saying Lando lost to Carlos is a bad thing is not a great point at all because Lando was a rookie, and had a fair bit of bad luck, and in 2020 which was only his second season he literally only lost by 8 points, but somehow you think that is a terrible thing that makes him worse than Russell, and Sainz had 4 whole more years of experience than Lando, and that's how long Lando's been in F1
   And the way you word him beating Ricciardo doesn't do Lando's performances justice - he absolutely destroyed Ricciardo and he pretty much singlehandedly fought alpine in 2022

(oh and also Russell was beat by Kubica in 2019, a Kubica who was driving even though he literally had his arm partially severed in his rally crash)

And you've conveniently ignored the mistakes as if they don't mean anything;
One hasn't caused a massive crash that sent a driver upside down and into catch fencing, which also triggered a chain of events that led to another driver going to hospital
One doesn't have a reputation for crashing people
One didn't hit a driver on the straight and then proceed to blame it on the other driver

anyway let's end this here

you think Russell would win

I think Lando would win

we both have our reasons

[marsh phoenix]

Imo Russell would destroy Lando

[marsh phoenix]

That silverstone crash was an extremely tough situation

Zhou was in his blind spot

it's not like he knew he was there

[foggy iris]

do you mean Gasly?

[marsh phoenix]

I mean gasly was in his blind spot

[foggy iris]

I mean I don't think it's penalty worthy because it definitely was a first lap incident

but even in first lap incidents someone has to trigger it

and Russell primarily caused it

[marsh phoenix]

yeah

Lando norris was beat by Carlos Sainz

How does this not apply to George Russell aswell

[foggy iris]

no it was a sarcastic point to say that Lando being beaten by Sainz doesn't mean much

[marsh phoenix]

bruh why we using sarcasm 😭

i just wanted a normal convo

[foggy iris]

bc sarcasm is good

[marsh phoenix]

no it adds toxicity

[foggy iris]

kind of but I think saying 'lmao' and 'lol' after points is more toxic

and ig I'm just used to sarcasm

[marsh phoenix]

no no

I 100% agree

i dont get why ppl do that

[coarse wren]

i aint readin allat my god, theres no need to write that much😭

The mistakes are literally 100% irrelevant. EVERY great driver made the same mistakes early on in their career. Like I said, before Vettel won his first title he was known as the "crash kid", it’s literally so irrelevant

George did what Lando couldn’t, which is win a race
George beat him in F2
I really don’t see how you could possibly say Lando is beating him

when from what we have seen, George has outperformed him in every category

[foggy iris]

neither of their careers are near to over, so George HAS DONE what Lando HAS NOT been able to do (yet)

[foggy iris]

I don't think you are quite getting why I refer to mistakes, I'm not trying to say George makes too many mistakes in general (that's another convo), I'm saying that George has shown to make MORE mistakes COMPARED TO LANDO

and yeah Vettel may have been known as the crash kid before he won his title but we're only talking about right now, not the future, not the past, right now, and Russell hasn't reached his title winning phase

[coarse wren]

exactly???????

we are comparing them NOW?????😭😭

[coarse wren]

Because Lando has barely been at the front, and if he has he has been in his own world.

To compare the two, look at Zandvoort 2022 and Sochi 2021. Russell made a perfect strategic call ON HIS OWN, Lando in Sochi 2021 made a big strategic error on his own and fumbled the win

once again

Russell has done what Lando hasn’t

[coarse wren]

Russell has also had a way more radical switch to being at the front. He went from fighting for P16 to fighting for wins. Lando has had a more cleaner transition to the front

[foggy iris]

And that's because of the car diff, and Zandvoort was a way easier decision to make because he wasn't under pressure to win his first in unpredictable and rapidly changing weather conditions

[foggy iris]

yes and Russell has also been in a top team and Lando hasn't, you have to mention that if you're going to say this

[coarse wren]

Zandvoort - Hamilton made the wrong decision, Russell didn’t
Sochi - Hamilton made the right decision, Lando didn’t
And they were under the same amount of pressure, Russell was also fighting for the win

[coarse wren]

a ‘top team’ that had an inconsistent and terrible to drive car

[foggy iris]

...that was capable of winning races towards the end of the season but didn't because Max is just better

[marsh phoenix]

Let's go Max!

[foggy iris]

Russell realistically wasn't going to win with max there, and Lando was under more pressure because the weather was very difficult

anyway this is going on too far, we should stop because neither of us are going to change views

[coarse wren]

no way you are trying to say the merc and rb was on par with each other lmao

[coarse wren]

that has nothing to do with anything

''realistically''

its irrelevant

point was thjat they were under pressure

[foggy iris]

I'm not, but it was capable of winning races

[coarse wren]

one

and what did russell do?

won the race

[foggy iris]

no

[coarse wren]

when lando was capable of winning a race

[foggy iris]

it WON one

[coarse wren]

what did lando do?

fumble it

[foggy iris]

mate

you're just repeating the same thing

over

and over

I'm done with this

neither of us are changing views anyway

[coarse wren]

its hard to get anywhere with biased lando fans 🙏

[foggy iris]

the same can be said with Russell fans...

[marsh phoenix]

Join the George v Alex chat 🙂

[foggy iris]

always

[coarse wren]

george is ten times better than albono lmao

[foggy iris]

(and don't take that seriously, I just dislike Russell)

[coarse wren]

clearly you do

[marsh phoenix]

But do you know that?

[coarse wren]

definitely

[marsh phoenix]

oh

okay

[foggy iris]

10 times is a massive amount you know

I wouldn't even say Russell is 10 times better than latifi

[coarse wren]

albon had a chance at red bull to prove himself and didnt, albon v russell isnt even a conversation to be held

[foggy iris]

he would have got 2 more podiums (and arguably the win at Austria) if it weren't for Lewis

[coarse wren]

and it was capable of a lot more than that lmao

[marsh phoenix]

tbf he was rushed in Redbull

[foggy iris]

well yes but that was literally the first race of his second season

[marsh phoenix]

He should've been given more time

[coarse wren]

i agree, but he still sucked

[foggy iris]

this and he did well in 2019

[coarse wren]

?

[foggy iris]

anyway he's back and doing well in Williams

[foggy iris]

Austria 2020

[coarse wren]

so

im not speaking about one race?

[foggy iris]

if Lewis didn't take him out he likely would have won a race

[coarse wren]

no shit

[foggy iris]

idk u keep going on about Sochi so why can't i

[coarse wren]

im just saying the car was capable of more than just ''couldve gotten 2 more podiums''

[coarse wren]

u just literally dont make sense lad

[foggy iris]

yes Ik that didn't come out well

[foggy iris]

yes but he was a rookie pretty much

[coarse wren]

and he was still ass

[foggy iris]

...

2019 was not bad at all

2020 maybe

[coarse wren]

''maybe''

2020 was horse shit

and 2019 was alright

[foggy iris]

2019 was more than alright but I cannot be asked to argue with you anymore

we have diff perceptions of drivers and neither of us will ever agree

[marsh phoenix]

Okay