cars-and-bikes

[obtuse plover]

and a Ferrari

[flint wasp]

they stopped

[iron epoch]

true

[cyan wind]

god cabeless bikes are so pretty

di2 is filthy expensive but fuck man it's nice

[fossil gulch]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClL6P-9Oi4k&pp=ygUKVHJhbmNldmVsbw%3D%3D just saying

[cyan wind]

it might be worth it for a laugh or when my groupset dies

[cyan wind]

how many miles you'd bet this has got?

[sick pike]

None

I'd say -600

[iron epoch]

10 miles

they had a really bad lock up

[crystal parcel]

Call an ambulance to follow you at a safe distance

[fossil gulch]

Dont go straight and you’ve got a few thousand

[flint wasp]

clean asf

[iron epoch]

mm

Mustang

[flint wasp]

how tf this only 26k

that has got to be some sort of error

[flint wasp]

yep

[low pagoda]

I mean the broad price of them is 20-30k depending on mileage

So I guess 26k isn't too crazy to think of

[flint wasp]

theres normal v6's for 30k

around same mileage

70kish

[tulip bramble]

I like Di2’s

but there is some sort of latency between switching gears yeah?

I think thats only for the SRAM one on Mountain Bikes

cant change to a higher gear quickly

actually nvm I remembered it wrong

https://youtube.com/shorts/7RarOSStWcA?si=x8ebRAMJ20SuT4kT

I was more bothered by the amount of taps you have to give to go to the gear you want to go in

[fossil gulch]

Isn’t that a complaint people have with SRAMs normal shifters too ?

[urban gust]

Teslas are so married to this extremely stiff looking design philosophy. It’s a shame.

[cyan wind]

the correct answer

[tawdry badger]

I wanna Yamaha r1 as my first motorcycle so bad

[cyan wind]

enjoy paying insurance for it

[fossil gulch]

R125 maybe

R6 isn’t the smartest choice but it’s also not the completely stupidest one either

[tawdry badger]

What one would you think will be more slower and easier to balance

I heard a Honda grom is good

Also I’m kinda slightly short I’m 5,2 and most motorcycles are quite tall do you guys get them lowered or something I don’t know much about motorcycles

[cyan wind]

grom is more good for shits and gigs than just riding

[tawdry badger]

I heard that too

[cyan wind]

some bikes will have lowering kits, just depends on the model

[twin belfry]

grom + holeshot device

Eh, that’ll probably be pointless

[cyan wind]

it'd scrape against the floor

[twin belfry]

Yeah. Which is why I said it’ll be pointless

[fossil gulch]

You can still ride pretty much anything

Lowering kits are a thing and there a lot of low bikes

You can probably nearly flat foot a ninja 400 for instance

[pseudo gull]

why is rory reid’s account name censored lmao

[cyan wind]

https://twitter.com/BenjiNaesen/status/1700769387639140793

Benji Naesen (@BenjiNaesen)

When you order an Italian bike and get an Italic one instead.

Likes

397

Twitter · Sep 10, 2023, 7:13 AM

[spark basalt]

As someone who wants a s1000rr as my first bike, 1000cc as a first bike is probably a dumb idea 😭

I feel like its better to get comfy af with a 600cc first

But the r1 is sexy af though 🔥

[obtuse plover]

eee. I had my red Ferrari hat on too when I saw her.

Sexy

[cyan wind]

certainly is

especially as a learner, easy to pull on the throttle a bit too much and you lose control 🤷‍♂️

[cyan wind]

mmmmm

luvleh

[cyan wind]

honestly a 300 / 400 would work out fine, then move to a 650 or make an even more confident jump to 1000

[obtuse plover]

also saw this. never spotted one before so that was pretty cool

The dash was pretty nice too.

[cyan wind]

v classic

steering wheel is nice tbf

[tawdry badger]

That’s why I want it 🙈

[cyan wind]

i still have to wait another 3 years to even be able to consider getting a litre bike lmao

uk bike laws are incredible (they're fucking not)

what a fucking machine

[iron epoch]

scott dixon colors

[cyan wind]

real

[obtuse plover]

yeah lmao.

[iron epoch]

looks like every steering wheel from that era

[cyan wind]

quite nice either way

[jagged crater]

I done seen one o these recently

The pictures don't do the proportions of these bikes justice

[cyan wind]

cbr's are lovely

fireblades, mmmm

[jagged crater]

The stance on these bad bois is nuts, the front is tiny, the fork dampers are thicc bois, the back of the pillion is sitting higher than the screen almost

It's so aggressive

[cyan wind]

i'd seriously want a fireblade, striple and a versys or a tiger

[jagged crater]

I'd love either one o these or an R1

[cyan wind]

it's such a beautiful bike

[jagged crater]

And essentially try and get away with the closest to a race bike tbh for something road legal... Totally road legal

[cyan wind]

handled by john mcguinness himself too

[jagged crater]

Carbonin body, BTMoto flash, exhaust, rizoma mirrors

[cyan wind]

road legal, but how someone will ride it aint lmao

[jagged crater]

Kinda

Full carbon bodies don't allow for the volume that Cats take up

[cyan wind]

ah right

[cyan wind]

yeah that's fucking mental

that front is so appeasing

[spark basalt]

You'll get it one day 💯 Just ride responsibly

[jagged crater]

Of course I'd have it painted and whatnot bur yeah mmmm, lightness

[cyan wind]

carbon is nice, but it's overdone sometimes

all black is just boring, so thank god honda does good designs lmao

[jagged crater]

IT'S AN AFTERMARKET BODY FOR RACE BIKES DAWG

[cyan wind]

i know

i'm on about street bikes that just haul it with carbon

[fossil gulch]

Those inverted gold forks 🔥

[tulip bramble]

Still arguably the best looking bike

really iconic in its own way

I’d name it the perfect litre bike, really

Good for the budget, quality and performance wont disappoint

[tulip bramble]

screenshot of what I said cause I totally didnt forget to reply earlier

[tulip bramble]

not a bad idea, just not the brightest either

a throttle on a 125 is already responsive as hell

wrong twist and it’ll definitely pull you back

imagine that but 20x the power

[cyan wind]

easy way to see god for the first time

[fossil gulch]

Rating bikes beginner friendliness based on displacement is a pretty bad metric in general

Like a 1000cc super sport bike is a stupid idea however you split it

[cyan wind]

yeah lmfao

[fossil gulch]

But something like an S1000RR in rain mode is probably far more beginner friendly than a 400cc MX bike

[cyan wind]

For sure, its how the power is delivered

[fossil gulch]

It’s how the power is delivered, how the positioning is, how the brakes are, how wonky the clutch is, weight distribution…

Also weight/height of the rider plays a part too

I’d feel far safer and comfortable on an S1000RR than a fat boy

Because I can practice low speed turns with a lot more confidence

But a big/tall lad might have a shit time on a super sport

[cyan wind]

For sure

[fossil gulch]

A big part of learning to ride is comfort

[cyan wind]

Tell me about it

That's one thing I learnt that I couldn't from just looking at specs, is I won't have a fun time on long journeys on something like a cbr or cbf

[fossil gulch]

If you can’t get into a proper riding position or you have to contort yourself to shift then your gonna have a rough go of learning the basic fundamentals

[cyan wind]

You can read about a bike as much as you want, but that only does so much

[fossil gulch]

Exactly

Specs only tell one part of the story

No manufacturer is gonna be like “oh btw the front brake is all or nothing”

Or yeah if you’re 6ft then have fun getting scoliosis

Don’t just rely on specs

Go to the dealers

Sit on the damn bikes

Look at bike specific forums

(General forums like r/motorcycles or generic motorcycle Facebook groups tend to circlejerk and repeat the same 5 thoughts)

[cyan wind]

Yeah literally, one spews one thought and everyone just rolls with it

[fossil gulch]

Royal enfield is massive example of that

Everyone jerks how great they are and how budget friendly and capable they are

But if you look and owners forums, you can see that they aren’t all that stellar

[cyan wind]

There's a big difference in opinion between people who own a bike, and those who don't

[fossil gulch]

And reviewers that are paid by the manufacturer

[cyan wind]

Exactly that too

[fossil gulch]

Fortnine has an older video on that topic

Where they fail to mention that they are literally the largest online bike gear retailer in Canada

So they are still incentivized to market gear in a way that benefits them

Their videos are still really good

But there’s no such thing as an unbiased review

[cyan wind]

Yeah literally, you make an opinion as soon as you see it, and you develop it the more you go into it

[tawdry badger]

I heard a lot that the ninja 400 was a really good beginners bike

[cyan wind]

@fossil gulch can vouch if not or if so

[fossil gulch]

It really is an amazing beginner bike

Its fast enough to get you into trouble, handles really well, is confortable enough for some touring and is really reliable

It’s also very low so it’s the perfect bike for shorter people

Biggest downsides are that the brakes and suspension are kinda shit

But that’s just 400 things ™️

Regional Downside it it’s kinda pricy in some markets

Word of advice tho is to get the 400, I’d avoid the 300

The old 300 is kinda shit

Get the R3 if you’re stuck on 300cc’s

[jagged crater]

https://storage.googleapis.com/cdn.imotorbike.my/news/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/Kawi-ZX4RR2-1155x770-1-1024x683.jpg

400 you say?

[cyan wind]

god what a beautiful thing

[spark basalt]

Yeah, when I do start eventually, I'd probably start with an R6, get comfy with that before going to anything faster

[pseudo gull]

r6 is still a terrible first bike

[twin belfry]

At least he didn’t mention any 1000cc bike

[pseudo gull]

just get a ninja 400 or something

you’ll be a better rider if you start slower and learn to actually get more speed from the bike

[twin belfry]

Would 250/350cc bikes be good for starters?

[cyan wind]

yaeh

to be extra safe

250 is the bare minimum

400 is what you need and a bit more is how i've thought it as

250 is a bit more uncommon and more for dirtbikes

[fossil gulch]

It’s not just about power, a rebel 500 is probably the most beginner friendly bike in existence and it’s a 500

[cyan wind]

yeah that too

[fossil gulch]

It’s about how it delivers that power

[cyan wind]

^ like vase said

[fossil gulch]

Also a KLR650 is one of the slowest most meh bikes in existence and it’s a 650

Pick a bike based on your needs

A 125/300 is gonna be downright deadly on Highway in the best of time

A 1000cc bike in traffic is gonna suck massive ass and potentially be a beast to manuever at low speeds

Also it’s a motorcycle, get the one that makes you happy

Even if it’s maybe not the most appropriate

[cyan wind]

yeah

just take into account what you're getting, it's easy to look at a cbr or an r6 and go

oh fuck i want that

as a beginner? lmao no

and if you're a tall bastard like me, it won't be comfortable lol

just take your time choosing what you actually want because you can't just jump off and swap

[fossil gulch]

The point is more to buy a bike that makes you happy vs just buying whatever is technically « the best beginner bike » according to popular opinion/specs

Your first bike will probably only last you a year or two

So there’s no need to hop on it right way

But like I fucking hate the rebel 500, I don’t care about how beginner friendly it is or how cheap I can get them for or how cheap they are to modify

I just don’t like ‘‘em and I absolutely hated riding them for my courses

If I bought one, I’d probably have already sold it and quit the hobby

TLDR, you don’t need your dream bike right a way but don’t buy a bike you don’t want to ride either

[tulip bramble]

I mean you could technically start on a 1500cc Harley

its slow and all but heavy as ballz

[tulip bramble]

also depends on your experiences as a rider

[cyan wind]

you could technically

though it's a horrific idea

it's slow, but it's also alot of weight to pull around that you've never done before

[tulip bramble]

yeah

its also low to the ground

so you could easily flat foot it

but its weight is just a death wish honestly

other than its weight

It’ll work as a starter bike

[fossil gulch]

No, but a « lighter » 800-1000cc cruiser isn’t a bad starter bike

A marauder, boulevard, whatever the Americans have… are all good beginner bikes

[cyan wind]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/16gccw3/my_mom_sent_me_this_and_told_me_she_had_to_cut/

holy fucking shit

[split raptor]

Peugeot 9X8

[fathom rose]

"Hey I need you to go get a car for me, Ill send you the location for it"

Me in the middle of something "ugh, fine"

Then my reaction changed when I got the GPS link

Fun car

[sick pike]

This sounds like a gta mission lol

[tawdry badger]

🇺🇾

[twin belfry]

Gonzalo Rodriguez

RIP

[tawdry badger]

Yeah

Its form my country

I miss

[cyan wind]

😭

[median rover]

190

[obtuse plover]

Ass>

[fossil gulch]

That’s a good looking TT

[twin belfry]

Best hide and seek spot in the world

And also a good alternative to when you forgot your umbrella

[cyan wind]

i think there's a car in your diffuser

[twin belfry]

I think there’s a car on this front splitter

[cyan wind]

time attack cars never cease to amaze me

[iron epoch]

what car?

[twin belfry]

Mazda RX7

[iron epoch]

honestly

[iron epoch]

i dont see it

[frosty remnant]

@cyan wind

[twin belfry]

Same here.

[cyan wind]

bluds photos are in cr2

[frosty remnant]

rate the photo of me, i drove my friends miata ND

[frosty remnant]

wdym cr2

[cyan wind]

doesnt embed

[frosty remnant]

uhmmmm

[iron epoch]

do windshields make downforce

[frosty remnant]

bruh

[cyan wind]

just screenshot the pic

[frosty remnant]

ok

Gran Turismo Movie vibe

@cyan wind

[iron epoch]

stop spoiling the movie

[frosty remnant]

that’s me

dumbo

[iron epoch]

you said gran turismo vibe

implying there is something like that in gran turismo

thus spoiling the movie

[cyan wind]

very nice

[frosty remnant]

W

[iron epoch]

also rule 1

[obtuse plover]

I tried to edit it so I didn’t show you all where I live but it just degraded the quality and made the whole video look shit 😭 So just enjoy the audio porn I guess.

Also my shitty videography didn’t help lmao.

[twin belfry]

Audi

[iron epoch]

why did u zoom in when it got closer to you

[obtuse plover]

I didn’t, that just the way I tried to edit out the pub name (privacy shit, I don’t need you all knowing where I live)

[iron epoch]

you zoomed in when it got closer

[obtuse plover]

The original video is much clearer, but as stated I’m not trying to give you my address.

[obtuse plover]

No I didn’t, on the original at least, I just had to crop out the pub name and that was the only way 😭

[obtuse plover]

!!!

[iron epoch]

oh why didnt u just say that

[obtuse plover]

I did 😭

[iron epoch]

no

[ionic dirge]

She did

[iron epoch]

no

[ionic dirge]

Bro are u dumb?

Literally read what she said when she sent the video 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[iron epoch]

rule 1

[iron epoch]

which one

[ionic dirge]

What about it

[iron epoch]

rule 1

[ionic dirge]

Shame

Use ur eyes then

[iron epoch]

i have

[ionic dirge]

Clearly

[iron epoch]

yes

why do u care so much

[iron epoch]

that was like 5 hours ago 😭

[ionic dirge]

Is that clear enough for u?

[iron epoch]

blud is spamming

bro i saw the message

relax

[ionic dirge]

Just making sure seen as ur blind

[iron epoch]

💀

[iron epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-kevin-magnussen'-haas-kevin-magnussen-gif-14928998185825287551

[ionic dirge]

K

[iron epoch]

of1d try not to be toxic challenge

[ionic dirge]

U what

[iron epoch]

nothing

[ionic dirge]

Shush then

[iron epoch]

grumpy af

[ionic dirge]

Have common sense then

[iron epoch]

try not to be so gullible then

[ionic dirge]

How am I being gullible

[iron epoch]

and recognize satire

[ionic dirge]

Oh ye cos u got everyone laughing

[iron epoch]

ok bro

[ionic dirge]

Sure buddy

[iron epoch]

idk who put u in a bad mood

[ionic dirge]

I’m not in a bad mood ur just lacking common sense

[iron epoch]

how am i lacking common sense

[ionic dirge]

🤦‍♂️

[iron epoch]

bro cant even explain

[ionic dirge]

Ur not worth the effort

U will just start crying about rule 1

[iron epoch]

crying 💀

[iron epoch]

u went this far to blabber about my satire

u made this larger than what it shouldve been

[ionic dirge]

Whyd u respond then?

[iron epoch]

I responded cuz i didnt think u were gonna start whining

[ionic dirge]

Look I get u ain’t been in the server long and don’t uderstwnd everything so let me help u. Sometimes there’s ways to make a joke and it’s funny, there’s others where it’s just plain stupid and not funny

Get it?

[iron epoch]

[twin belfry]

Tf is happening

[iron epoch]

idek

I'm literally just chilling and he is feeling argumentative

[twin belfry]

Just because of some minor detail in a video showing an Audi R8?

[iron epoch]

right lmao

[ionic dirge]

🤨

[iron epoch]

?

[ionic dirge]

🤨

[iron epoch]

?

[ionic dirge]

🤨

[iron epoch]

?

[ionic dirge]

🤨

[twin belfry]

Toyota Corona JTCC

[iron epoch]

mmmmmm

[obtuse plover]

rah

[fossil gulch]

Bike season ends in like a month 😭

[cyan wind]

R.I.P bike season for a few months 🙏

[fossil gulch]

It’s like 6 months 😭

December to may it’s outright banned and November and may are usually too snowy to ride

[cyan wind]

oh yeah i forget you're in canadian land

over here it's just chilly for a bit 😭

[twin belfry]

Once it's reached this stage, switch to the cage.

[fossil gulch]

If I was in coastal BC I could ride all year

That’s how fortnine manages

Or buy a mx with tracks and a ski

Which I won’t lie look like a tonne of fun

[cyan wind]

i also will probs get my kinesis at the beginning of winter too which'll be painful

[urban gust]

Wait Canada has rights for this

This is a great idea

I want to make one

[fossil gulch]

You got 4K grand and a motocross you can

[urban gust]

Hm. So Im currently broke but I have a guy at a junkyard and access to a great fucking shop

[urban gust]

Don’t have a lot of expertise making shit that’s not made for being on asphalt but I have google, time, and a plucky attitude

[cosmic jetty]

Rate matt's build

its not even done yet

there more to be done

[sick pike]

@fathom rose
https://carsandbids.com/auctions/KZGVVG5m/1996-honda-civic-dx-coupe

[fathom rose]

I uhh

Uhh

I have so many questions

LMAO THE RADIO BEING WHERE THE GAUGE CLUSTER USE TO BE IS SO FUNNY

[obtuse plover]

i’m in love.

[dapper owl]

5.6/10

[frosty remnant]

wtf was that stroll

[noble maple]

My fucking kart is broken cus some bullshit hit me when cornering

I literally js did the bodywork a few weeks ago

[static grove]

but you already put a picture of an R8 with the plate uncensored before

[obtuse plover]

…what

Said car doesn’t belong to a local. The plate isn’t going to show you shit about where i live.😭

[rare hill]

saw this beauty outside a nano shop

[cyan wind]

those bloody freds back at it again

[fossil gulch]

Cleats

Didn’t know wearing soccer shoes gave you such an advance

E-bikes complaining about people being obnoxious is just

SMH

[cyan wind]

ironic isn't it

[fossil gulch]

Nooooo, those selfish cyclists won’t let me zoom past them on my equivalent to a 400cc motorcycle unregulated “bicycle”

Unironically can’t wait till the government clamps down on those fuckers

Suron riders bombing down sidewalks at 70kph

[cyan wind]

Sounds like they're an issue over there

I seriously cannot stand surrons

They're basically unregistered motorcycles that any nobhead can get on and do whatever they want with it

[sick pike]

"oh a driver ran a red light ran you over and dealt life threatening injuries to you? Skill issue"

Damn these youngsters for wanting to take safety precautions

Back in my day you died like real men by getting maimed by a 1.5 ton box of steel

[cyan wind]

"Doesn't hurt to understand the laws of physics" what does that even mean 💀

is that a motorcycle or bicycle that got hit

[fathom rose]

The equivalent to F1 Halo Haters

[urban gust]

"Gear doesn't make you safe" ride naked then. Barefoot. Since none of that makes you safe.

[iron epoch]

bros profile picture says enough

[fossil gulch]

Gear doesn’t you a safer rider is true

But it sure as fuck makes you safer when you fuck up

A full race suit isn’t gonna stop you from target fixating into a pole

[iron epoch]

If you close your eyes then it wouldn't hurt as bad

[urban gust]

Or when someone else fucks up lmfao

[iron epoch]

nice lambo

[fathom rose]

such a nice Lambo dude

[cyan wind]

is that 3rd one a volkswagen?

[velvet echo]

only VW’s there 🫠

[obtuse plover]

Hot

[obtuse plover]

Shiit nice

[cyan wind]

how i'm gonna start protecting my KOM's

[jagged crater]

https://imotorbike.my/news/2023/06/kove-450rr-ducati-panigale-launch/

[fossil gulch]

Let’s hope they don’t clone the desmo system

[jagged crater]

Why not?

[fossil gulch]

Because desmo is an infamously finicky system that is quite expensive to have done and very hard to do yourself

But on paper, those chinese bikes (like the cfMoto 450ss) should be a substantially better deal than the ninja 400

But support and long term reliability are huge question marks

[jagged crater]

Mmm... Fair

I just ask why not coz Desmo's haven't just been done by Ducati, and of course muh rsvs

[fossil gulch]

True but the Ducati system is the one with the infamous rep

And they talk about it being a Ducati clone

[jagged crater]

It''s Italian and Owned by Lamborghini

https://youtu.be/tcXxpRAXEvk?si=AwtsY9x8jak83zl9

Oh no it's Hot

Interesting... It's a 636cc

[cyan wind]

@tulip bramble https://www.cannondale.com/en-gb/bikes/road/endurance/synapse/synapse-2

this is what i've kinda landed on

i love the white with black text

tiagra groupset which is alright

dt swiss r470's aren't bad either

for like £1600

i'd love a vitus vitesse but they're way too much

[sick pike]

https://hondanews.com/en-US/powersports/releases/honda-confirms-all-new-xl750-transalp-for-us-market

Poggers

[cyan wind]

very cool

not sure if like it

the headlight i mean

[fossil gulch]

It looks quite a bit like the new Vstroms

But first the tracer comes back to NA and now the transalp

[cyan wind]

yeah that was my first though

[fossil gulch]

That’s pretty poggers

[cyan wind]

or the ncx500 if that's what it's called

[fossil gulch]

Yeah, I guess that makes more sense

Man, no matter how many times I look at that 500, it still always looks kinda off

It’s not quite a sport touring but it’s not quite an ADV style bike either

[sick pike]

It low-key reminds me of the versys

Like a bigger and meaner versys

[tulip bramble]

yikes quite pricey for a tiagra isnt it?

but I guess for a Synapse its not that bad

The thing with cannondales I dont really like are the mismatched cranksets

speaking of bikes

I saw a Canyon Grail a few days ago

[cyan wind]

that's what i thought, but for £1600 ish it's either tiagra or a 105 from other brandss

synapse 1 has a 105 groupset, but it's £300 more

[tulip bramble]

I love Cannondales but thats one of the factors I dont really like about them

at a mid range price you’d expect at least a 105

but its not usually the case

but to be fair

a Synapse frameset is already expensive as hell

[fossil gulch]

I really want a lefty one day

[tulip bramble]

so 1600 is fairly reasonable

[tulip bramble]

whats a lefty

[cyan wind]

it depends really

[tulip bramble]

Oooh

didnt know those have a name

[fossil gulch]

Cannondale’s weird ass bikes with only a left front fork

[cyan wind]

some other brands do 105's but you take into consideration the quality of the frame / forks

[tulip bramble]

Yeah

I think Scott and Canyon does it best with groupsets and framesets

[fossil gulch]

Honestly, unless you’re a pro any group set above Altus will be perfectly fine

[tulip bramble]

Trek not so much, their Entry Level bikes with a Claris is almost at 1200 USD 💀

[cyan wind]

you should see tifosi

[tulip bramble]

any 10 Speed oughta do it really

[cyan wind]

2k bike on a tiagra groupset but a carbon frame

[fossil gulch]

A good set of wheels is far more worth it component and much more expensive to upgrade

[tulip bramble]

yeahh

[fossil gulch]

2x9 isn’t bad either

[tulip bramble]

yeah 2x9 should do it

[fossil gulch]

But those shitty wheels some brands put on that flex like a sheet of paper are just awful

I love seeing my rim flex and rub the side of my fork under braking

Thanks Norco

[tulip bramble]

wheels are the only parts worth upgrading upon acquisition of the bike

[cyan wind]

that was why i like the cannondale

[tulip bramble]

weight is bad

[fossil gulch]

Wheels, pedals and seat

[tulip bramble]

Yepp

Well pedals definitely needed

[cyan wind]

runs dt swiss r470's

[cyan wind]

ultegra r8000's my beloved

[tulip bramble]

if you buy a prebuilt bike its either Plastic pedals or pedal-less

[fossil gulch]

Yeah

[tulip bramble]

🙏

I’ve looked into Shimano cleat pedals

[cyan wind]

those god awful flats

with the reflective thing on them too

[fossil gulch]

It’s funny watching some people here on 10K cervelos with the stock shitty plastic pedals

[tulip bramble]

they’re quite ehem pricey

[fossil gulch]

Like bruv why

They aren’t that bad

[cyan wind]

it actually hurts

[fossil gulch]

Mine where like 40 bucks

[tulip bramble]

Its the equivalent of spending alot of shit on your gear but forgetting to buy underwear

[fossil gulch]

https://www.mec.ca/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcdn11.bigcommerce.com%2Fs-xw5rh7060c%2Fproducts%2F17225%2Fimages%2F75470%2F5006774_NOC02__89397.1652864980.1280.1280.jpg%3Fc%3D1&w=220&q=55

[fossil gulch]

Half the time I just assume the bike was stolen

[tulip bramble]

LOL

most dudes are prolly using it to go to work

[fossil gulch]

And honestly , I’m probably right more often then not

[tulip bramble]

but why a 10k cervelo

[fossil gulch]

Homeless guy on a Santa Cruz Hightower

[tulip bramble]

Oh I saw a Santa Cruz and a Canyon just last week

they look insanely of quality

[fossil gulch]

My sister used to commute on her custom made full aero tribike lmao

[tulip bramble]

WHAT

[fossil gulch]

But she got it for free through a sponsor

[tulip bramble]

With the Carbon Deeps and stuff?

[cyan wind]

fair play

[tulip bramble]

I should start cycling again

gonna look into framesets

[fossil gulch]

I think zip 404’s or 808’s

[tulip bramble]

would save me alot if I build from secondhand

[cyan wind]

i really wanna try racing eventually

my dad's described it as hell and it sounds good

[tulip bramble]

tho secondhand carbon frames are usually 50-50

[fossil gulch]

Single speed crit racing seems like a blast

[tulip bramble]

so Aluminum it is

Speaking of

Aluminum or Carbon?

[fossil gulch]

Gamble on Chinese carbon

[cyan wind]

ehh

depends

[tulip bramble]

Yeah

for bikes more on the Endurance Geometry

I think Aluminum is best

[fossil gulch]

Carbon is the superior choice from a technical perspective but again unless you’re a pro, you aren’t gonna notice much of a difference

[cyan wind]

lighter but expensive and can be damaged easily, aluminium is the opposite

[fossil gulch]

I think carbon rims are an amazing upgrade tho

[tulip bramble]

Theres only a slight difference regarding weight between alu and carbon

really depends on the geometry

[cyan wind]

though all the weight saving shit is literally only if you're chasing KOMs or racing

[tulip bramble]

oh definitely

[fossil gulch]

Having a nice stiff set of rims is quite nice

Not that I would no

Since mine rub the side of the forks under braking

[tulip bramble]

but the thing with aluminum you’ll usually get roundy frames

[fossil gulch]

And no the tires are not over sized, they are actually smaller than the max size

[fossil gulch]

Also a lot of brands don’t have a top of the line alu frame so if you want electronic shifting or any of that fancy crap youre kinda out of luck

[tulip bramble]

Yepp

[fossil gulch]

Or pay more than carbon for a steel frame because steel is real

And you have a degenerative brain disease

[cyan wind]

real

[tulip bramble]

but only time you’ll land Aluminum frames is when you’re somewhere between starter and mid range

[cyan wind]

yeah near enough

[fossil gulch]

With mountain bikes you can still find top of line aluminum bikes

Road bikes nah

Even midrange road bikes will have a carbon fork

[tulip bramble]

cant really be flexible with geometry on aluminum frames

[cyan wind]

if you find one for above a grand without carbon forks something aint right

[fossil gulch]

😭

Thanks again norco

Got norcucked

Is canyon still a budget brand?

[tulip bramble]

I think so

[cyan wind]

somewhat

[tulip bramble]

last I checked I was surprised that canyon was making 1600 bikes with carbon frames

[cyan wind]

cannondales cheaapest road bike is 1100

sora 9 speed

[tulip bramble]

CAAD Optimo yeah?

I still dont like how Cannondales brochure says Shimano groupset but you’re there with a different crankset

[fossil gulch]

Is it an FSA crank or something?

Because that might not be bad

[cyan wind]

yeah

FSA vero

[fossil gulch]

It’s a crank set, it’s probably the least important part of a group set

[cyan wind]

FSA bb too

[fossil gulch]

Get a good set of brakes and a non Claris group set

[tulip bramble]

God I love Canyons

[cyan wind]

canyons are real nice

what a beauty

[tulip bramble]

SuperSix is Sex

literal Sex

[cyan wind]

supersex

[tulip bramble]

SuperSex indeed

[cyan wind]

god look at that

carbon like that is always so nice

[fossil gulch]

I don’t need it I don’t need it I don’t need it

[tulip bramble]

Yooo Momo makes handlebars?

[fossil gulch]

Forged carbon hot as fuck

[cyan wind]

it is

i love it

[cyan wind]

you need it you need you need it you need it

[urban gust]

I covet

[fossil gulch]

27.5 inch wheels, nvm

[urban gust]

Oh

[cyan wind]

29ers only imo

[fossil gulch]

Unironically yeah

[urban gust]

My bike heaved it's last and final shuddering sighs. I tried to save it but there's only so much you can do for a frame you've welded back together 6 times and is rusted beyond repair

Oh well

Time for a new one

[tulip bramble]

Trek Madones are also sex

it aint no SuperSex Evo but its a beaut

[cyan wind]

that's an interesting frame

[fossil gulch]

https://www.santacruzbicycles.com/_next/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.prismic.io%2Fsantacruzbikesstatic%2F5a7662e4-8f08-4034-b293-57f9357b097c_MY23_bronson_salmon.jpg%3Fauto%3Dcompress%2Cformat&w=2600&q=99

[tulip bramble]

yeah Madone SL9 changed it up a bit

[fossil gulch]

Sigh, if I had the money

[tulip bramble]

I honestly prefer the SL7 framesets

[cyan wind]

i'd love to try dh on a full sus

[tulip bramble]

without the cut at the seat tube

[fossil gulch]

But that Santa Cruz is approaching GS money so nooooooo

[cyan wind]

yeah santa cruz aren't cheap sadly

[fossil gulch]

6k cad just for the frameset

[cyan wind]

💀

[urban gust]

Nawww

[tulip bramble]

🙏

[cyan wind]

what groupset is it on

[tulip bramble]

I dont know alot about Mountain Bikes and Enduros

[cyan wind]

idk much about either

[tulip bramble]

[cyan wind]

i only really know about the shit i used to stock when i was still working with my dad

[tulip bramble]

all I know is that them Shocks are expensive

[urban gust]

I know how to modify ye average commuter bike to work roughly like a mountain bike lmao

[fossil gulch]

Eagle X01 ASX

Which is a 800 dollar rear derailleur

[tulip bramble]

800 for an RD?

Thats insane wth

[fossil gulch]

The top of the line model is 700 dollars cheaper than a bmw F750GS

[cyan wind]

tf is it made out of

fuckin diamonds?

[tulip bramble]

If it doesnt shift itself I dont want it

[cyan wind]

£1,900 groupset 💀

more than the wholeass bikes im looking at

[tulip bramble]

At 800$ I’d expect it to detect when I’m struggling at a gear and shift itself

[urban gust]

Genuinely for those get em used if you can find them

[cyan wind]

automatic groupsets are actually a thing which surprised me

[urban gust]

They don't deteriorate that much in quality over time unless they've taken a lot of abuse and people get rid of em weirdly often

At least in my area lmao

[fossil gulch]

No one sells modern group sets here

Only old ass ones

[urban gust]

Damn

Unfortunate

[fossil gulch]

Some bike shops will sell you takes offs tho which can be a good deal

[urban gust]

Definitely so

Man I miss my bike shop summer that was so fun

[cyan wind]

working at a bike shop was great

[tulip bramble]

Wait SRAM eagle is the one that used buttons to shift right?

[fossil gulch]

I have a bike rn with an old dura ace front shifter paired with a Claris front dérailler

[fossil gulch]

Yes

Whatever happened to hydrolic shifting

[tulip bramble]

I find it oddly satisfying and uncomfortable at the same time

[fossil gulch]

Was supposed to be the next big thing

[tulip bramble]

the need to press it alot of times

[urban gust]

Cool gimmick but not the most efficient lmao

[tulip bramble]

Or I’m just way to caught up with the traditional levers

[fossil gulch]

It’s different, same with the box push shifting

Or twist grips

Because sram sells a top of the line verision of their twist shifters

For reasons

[cyan wind]

oh twisties

i think the last time i saw them was on my very old kids bike when i was 10ish

[urban gust]

I love twist shifters lmao

[fossil gulch]

Go ham https://www.sram.com/en/sram/models/ts-xx-1-b1

[urban gust]

I am broke.

I literally fixed my bike till it was irreparable

I am now on a quest for a new cheapo commuter one

[cyan wind]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx9oaF2ws7vTxALVnFv-YqTwlqAm3huvlG @fossil gulch

jesus christ

[fossil gulch]

Did you see the clip of the gold wing blowing over in the wind while he’s sleeping in it

[cyan wind]

i haven't actually

that doesn't sound good

[cyan wind]

might be onto something different

merida endurance 400, 105 groupset for about the same price

[tulip bramble]

why dont you try Scott frames?

[cyan wind]

because my old man is trying to get them at trade price instead of rrp

so shit at like 1600, he can get at around 900/800

[fossil gulch]

@cyan wind @sick pike you see the news about bmw

No more bike sales in NA

[cyan wind]

no longer selling in merica?

yeah i saw that

[fossil gulch]

they pulled a VW

[cyan wind]

think they only one they're selling now is their e bikes

[fossil gulch]

Now there’s an emissions scandal

So no F750 this year for me and no G1250 for my dad

Lmaoooo

Kinda good tho since they’ve upgraded the engines again so those 2023 models that can be sold should be cheap af next year

Well, cheap for BMW

[cyan wind]

inb4 like 4 million recalls

back to the versys

[fossil gulch]

Next choice is actually a triumph tiger

[cyan wind]

works too tbf

i really like the look of the 1200

[jagged crater]

Tbf I'm not surprised they're pulling with the way they're having to butcher their Engine treatment out the factory to get to the weird US Emissions/Power criteria

[tulip bramble]

whaaaat

even the S1k?

[fossil gulch]

All ICE engined bikes

[tulip bramble]

thats a bad marketing move

[fossil gulch]

Indeed

But it’s the end of the season

And dealers are struggling to move product now

[tulip bramble]

I’d imagine so

[fossil gulch]

If this happened in April/may it would have been substantially worse

[tulip bramble]

what was bmw’s reason behind it?

[fossil gulch]

2nd party emissions device might be problematic

The evap system might have been built incorrectly

[tulip bramble]

well this is big news

BMW is prolly one of the last manufacturers I expect to pull the plug on ICE vehicles

well bikes but yeah

[tulip bramble]

from what I’ve read, it seems like it

tho why did it take long enough for someone to point it out

[fossil gulch]

I’d probably be getting the 850 sport

[fossil gulch]

Waiting for the big summer sales boom to end

[cyan wind]

yeah that's fair

[fossil gulch]

Im starting to see a fuck ton of striples and tigers so they seem to getting popular

[cyan wind]

cus they're goated imo

no bias

[tulip bramble]

I want a Z1000 in a Neo Cafe build

I saw a dude selling one lemme find it

[fossil gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/prime-minister-union-jack-wire-boris-johnson-gif-14622193

Ngl, I don’t get cafe racers

You pay all that money to make a bike less comfortable

[tulip bramble]

ARCH

[cyan wind]

amen 🙏

[tulip bramble]

true

Tho I do dig most cafe builds

[fossil gulch]

Doesn’t kawi sell a 1000cc cafe racer

They look amazing

[tulip bramble]

Z900RS

[fossil gulch]

But I think my ass and back would argue otherwise

[tulip bramble]

I dont know if theres an actual litre cafe

[fossil gulch]

Especially those that cut the tail off

[fossil gulch]

R9T

Which is an 1100

[tulip bramble]

Oh I thought you meant the Kawi

[fossil gulch]

Oh, I thought you just ment OEM bikes in general

[tulip bramble]

Z900RS

Very GPZ900R-esque

in that colour scheme too

[fossil gulch]

A ZH2RS would be hilarious

[tulip bramble]

supercharged cafe

[fossil gulch]

Like probably the stupidest use of that engine outside a cruiser but god would it be cool

What’s the big difference between a scrambler and a cafe racer tho

[tulip bramble]

Scrambler gives off an uhh

a more comfortable dirtbike feel

[fossil gulch]

Isn’t that just a dual sport

[tulip bramble]

sorta

honestly cant find words to describe a scrambler

I generally just think of “Its good for both dirt and road”

[fossil gulch]

So an adv

[tulip bramble]

yes but smaller

[fossil gulch]

How did motorcycle classification get so complicated

[tulip bramble]

and lithter

[tulip bramble]

I dont fucking know as well

I blank out when someone asks for a comparison between bikes

[fossil gulch]

Wikipedia says a scrambler and a motorcross are the same

[tulip bramble]

only comparison I’ll never blank out on is comparing a Sport and a Naked bike

[fossil gulch]

A scrambler is just an off-road cafe racer honestly

[tulip bramble]

Yeah was just about to say that

[fossil gulch]

I think that’s the best description

[tulip bramble]

what if someone follows it up with a “whats a cafe racer?”

[fossil gulch]

Hipster bait

[tulip bramble]

just answer vice versa?

[fossil gulch]

Take a naked bike, stick a brown seat, add a circular headlight and delete the rear fender

[tulip bramble]

Wire Rims then boom

[fossil gulch]

Sport/super sport/hyper sport is the one that irritates me the most

[tulip bramble]

cafe racer

[fossil gulch]

Since a super sport and a hyper sport are the same damn things

[tulip bramble]

Yeah

[fossil gulch]

S1KRR is a super sport but the M is a hyper sport

[tulip bramble]

apparently Super Sport is some sort of an Adventure/Sport Bike

[fossil gulch]

It’s basically the same bike

[tulip bramble]

But Sport Bike is an actual bike good for track use

[fossil gulch]

The way I learned it when I did my license is that super sports are chain driven, full tuck, faired bikes

While sports don’t put you in a full tuck and can be belt/shaft driven

[tulip bramble]

Ducati says otherwise apparently

[fossil gulch]

Yeah, that’s the problem

[tulip bramble]

“SuperSport”

[fossil gulch]

Your in a full tuck tho no?

And it’s chain driven and faired

[tulip bramble]

well at some point

I’ll just stick to questioning who’s naming bike types

[fossil gulch]

Like a ninja 650 is a sport but a ZX6R is a super sport

[cyan wind]

i guess if it's adjusted more for perfomance it's a super sport

[tulip bramble]

tho Ducatis SuperSport is meant for a comfortable use same as the Ninja 650

[fossil gulch]

But we have stupid classifications because if they think it’s a super sport it goes on a restricted list that almost quadruples your yearly tax

[tulip bramble]

or in this case the Ninja 1000

high handlebars, low seat

[fossil gulch]

Here’s the list of restricted bikes if you’re curious https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/documents/publications/list-high-risk-motorcycles.pdf

[tulip bramble]

its in french

[fossil gulch]

It shouldn’t be

[cyan wind]

can't access it

[tulip bramble]

Yeah same

[cyan wind]

:despair:

[tulip bramble]

Error 403 but in french

[fossil gulch]

It’s région locked I think

[tulip bramble]

probably

you’re in the US yeah?

[fossil gulch]

Quebec

Hence why it’s in French

[tulip bramble]

Oh Quebec

[cyan wind]

rsv4 🙏

[fossil gulch]

It’s just 30 pages of all the super sports made between 2023 and 1985

[tulip bramble]

I still think a Panigale V2 could make a great starter bike

if it were restricted a little more

[cyan wind]

dear god

[fossil gulch]

Honestly any modern super sport would be an ok starter bike if you can
Leave your ego aside and put it in rain mode

[tulip bramble]

Yeah

[fossil gulch]

There’s enough computers to stop you from looping the thing

[tulip bramble]

all the dudes I watched that said they started on 600/1000s said they put it in lowest power the gradually put it up as they started getting comfy

[fossil gulch]

So it’s just being smart enough to not redline it through a school crossing

[fossil gulch]

All the ones I know that started on super sports all got caught doing 160-180 within their first year lmao

[tulip bramble]

[fossil gulch]

But we don’t have tiered licensing

Or restrictions

[tulip bramble]

same

[fossil gulch]

Aren’t you British

[tulip bramble]

I love Murican colonisation

[tulip bramble]

nope

Filipino

[fossil gulch]

Filipino not on a 50cc Honda

[tulip bramble]

I refuse to learn on a scooter

made it a life goal that if ever I do start riding, I’d do it on a 400/650

[fossil gulch]

You ever see this guys channel? https://saaq.gouv.qc.ca/fileadmin/documents/publications/list-high-risk-motorcycles.pdf

Fuck off

[tulip bramble]

LOL

wrong copy

[fossil gulch]

Lemme post the right link

https://youtube.com/@adobomoto?si=S6_MMKenxOrum7Y3

[tulip bramble]

Yeahhh

The Average Gixxer hater

love that dude

decent advice too

[fossil gulch]

Dude really hates gixxers

[tulip bramble]

And he makes it really transparent

[fossil gulch]

Yeah

[tulip bramble]

Only Suzuki I’d like to own is their Naked line

[fossil gulch]

60 second video about putting your motorcycle on a race stand and somehow there’s 9 insults towards gixxers and 5 Filipino references

[tulip bramble]

GSX-S’ are hella beautiful

[fossil gulch]

The SV650 Is Unironically an amazing starter bike

[tulip bramble]

Oh yeahhhh

I saw one once

[fossil gulch]

Or thé gladius

[tulip bramble]

Said 650 but I wonder why it only had 1 cylinder

turns out

it was a V2

[fossil gulch]

The only 650’s with a single cylinder are the KTM 690 and the tractor known as the KLR

[tulip bramble]

slept on too

[twin belfry]

GSXR 400

From Kamen Rider ZO

[tulip bramble]

its either Z650s or MT-07s with other starters

[fossil gulch]

You seem them a lot here

Since they’re quite a bit older than the MT and the Z

So they’re a bit easier to find used

[tulip bramble]

great depiction of a GSX-R

bug

[twin belfry]

well kamen rider has a lot of bug motifs.

[fossil gulch]

I saw an MT-01 recently

No that’s not a spelling mistake

[tulip bramble]

SV has the unique Neo Classic aesthetics despite being a ‘20 model

[twin belfry]

Huh. Never knew about the MT01 or it having a V twin

That’s pretty interesting

[tulip bramble]

MT01?

Whats its displacement?

[cyan wind]

i always think that's 100cc, but forget it's just an older mt-10 iirc

[fossil gulch]

1300+

[tulip bramble]

Yikes

[fossil gulch]

Old muscle bikes where insane

[tulip bramble]

first glance I honestly thought it was a Monster

looks smaller than the current MTs

[fossil gulch]

Wait

I’m wrong

It’s 1600cc

[tulip bramble]

🙏

[cyan wind]

jesus christ

130?????

[tulip bramble]

V2 yeah?

[fossil gulch]

vtwin yeah

[cyan wind]

how heavy is that shit

[tulip bramble]

from the looks of if

[fossil gulch]

245kg

[tulip bramble]

ok fuck nevermind

I guessed on the 180 side

[cyan wind]

jesus christ 😭

[fossil gulch]

It’s basically a cruiser engine, the forks and brakes off an R1 and a tiny frame

[tulip bramble]

look small as hell but damn

[twin belfry]

Talk about a frankenbike

well, not really

ig

[tulip bramble]

If anything

a Frankenbike is prolly the Boss Hoss

[fossil gulch]

I miss thé old muscle bikes

The K1300R, MT-01… where insane

[cyan wind]

custom mt-01

damn

that tax disc is so fuck ugly

thank god they were eradicated

[tulip bramble]

that says Y2k by so much

[fossil gulch]

The MT01 is quite rare since it wasn’t sold in America

[tulip bramble]

speaking of MTs

I’ve finally seen an MT10 in person

they huge as fuck

[fossil gulch]

Basically just sold in the commonwealth, Japan and Europe

[tulip bramble]

and they sound like Parallel Twins but smoother

[cyan wind]

they're small but massive

[fossil gulch]

And I don’t think Europeans or Japan really wanted a 1600cc naked

[twin belfry]

Oh jesus

[tulip bramble]

Yeah its pretty low but its fucking chunky

bulky as hell

[fossil gulch]

@cyan wind perfect starter bike https://www.autotrader.co.uk/bike-details/202308211041279?advertising-location=at_bikes

4 thousand pounds…

The MT10’s are like 90% engine

They are comfy af tho

Genuinely the most comfortable bike I’ve sat on

[cyan wind]

i honestly would consider one if they weren't so low

[fossil gulch]

An Mt-01?

[cyan wind]

mt-10

[fossil gulch]

The 01 is 825mm

My sisters BF is around 6’2 and he loves his MT-10

[cyan wind]

i see

maybe i'm wrong

[fossil gulch]

Nakeds are special because you don’t have to mating press the tank

So you can be upright without issue even if you’re tall af

[cyan wind]

yeah

[tulip bramble]

its not that low

[fossil gulch]

So a low naked should be fine if you can get the rear sets comfortable for you

[tulip bramble]

its basically an R1 but higher bars

[twin belfry]

Thoughts on cafe racers?

[tulip bramble]

seats a little lower actually

cool if built correctly

most cafe racers are custom so

depends

[cyan wind]

i get its supposed to look cool but i hate that kind of gear

[fossil gulch]

^

[cyan wind]

that's over your clothes

[tulip bramble]

oh yeah marketing strategy

[fossil gulch]

It makes sense if you’re in a warm climate

Where you cook in leathers or full armor

[twin belfry]

https://youtube.com/shorts/JXI9YCBwbG0?si=Qp_6xhV2wG04k5m1

[tulip bramble]

I want me a CB400

its old and all

but it still looks really neat

[twin belfry]

I’d go for a VFR400

[cyan wind]

i'm still desperate for a striple ngl

[twin belfry]

The NC30 looks nice, and it looks like it rides pretty well, too

[fossil gulch]

Someone on another server is trying to get his full A license lmao

[tulip bramble]

Triumphs are hot

Their Trident 660 may be a great starter as well

but err

expensive

[twin belfry]

Indeed

[cyan wind]

lmfaao

probably cheaper

[tulip bramble]

its really cheap too

[tulip bramble]

3k to 5k

not entirely cheap

[cyan wind]

a2 honestly isn't even that bad

[fossil gulch]

5k usd or jolibee bucks

[cyan wind]

it's being stuck on a fuckin 125 for 2 years is worse

[tulip bramble]

USD

[fossil gulch]

I think this is best description of the different licensing systems

[fossil gulch]

That seems to a bit much, a new ninja 400 is 6k usd

[cyan wind]

big bikes over here aren't too badly priced so i can agree with that

[tulip bramble]

the ones going for 5k are usually the ones with low original mileage

or ones in pristine condition

[fossil gulch]

I paid 3858 usd for my 2019 Ninja 400 with 1900 miles on it

[cyan wind]

fuckin 125's cost that over here 😭