classic-motorsport

[round swift]

Yup

"this trick is called the hospital flick"

[hardy briar]

The dude sitting next to me on my flight yesterday was a perfect mix between alain prost and Justin trudeau

[crimson hearth]

Reine Wisell 🇸🇪 died 2 days ago. don't think anyone on here has said anything. R.I.P

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/iBz9ugqnNE4

When Senna tested a V10 powered MP4/4

[meager pewter]

Having no ram intake?

Kinda h9t

[round swift]

Ah, the MP4/4B

[oblique dock]

Well, the MP4/4B sported a different airbox

[round swift]

Yeah but I thought it had a V10 engine in it too

[oblique dock]

It did

[round swift]

And also the MP4/3B

The bottom picture is the ORE-2

[ripe sand]

Was jordan decent in '91 or nah?

[hybrid spoke]

midfield car

[round swift]

There livery was good, probably one of the best ever. There performance was above the middle-midfield pack.

they finished fifth in the constructers out of nineteen teams

[past drift]

it definitely was decent

few cars and teams achieve so much in their 1st season

[past drift]

not hard, the /4 didn't have an airbox

[past drift]

briefly mentionned it in the mods chan, but people didn't pick it up. man had an okay 2 seasons with Lotus, but Colin decided it was not enough and replaced him with Dave Walker, who was just awful. 0 pts while his teammate got WDC

[idle gale]

There were moments where drivers managed to drag their uncompetitive cars into a battle with the top teams. Like Jean Alesi in his Tyrrell for example

[past drift]

it was a competitive car actually, very much

it was just quite underpowered

but most of the field was

its successor was still underpowered, but even quicker, and revolutionary also

last revolution for Tyrrell, and probably the only one that really worked?

[idle gale]

To be fair, Tyrrell was using a V8 that season. Compared to the V10 used by McLaren

[past drift]

yeah, in 89 and 90 most of the field used a cosworth v8 engine

only the big names like Ferrari McLaren and Williams had something very different (and the few with the Lambo V12)

[idle gale]

The customer Lambo V12 used by Lotus was quite powerful. But it was heavy and horrendously unreliable

Also I don't think that the 1990 Lotus chassis and body wasn't that strong. Considering what happened to Martin Donnelly

They had somewhat decent engines but their chassis wasn't that brilliant, was it?

[past drift]

Who, Lotus or Williams?

[round swift]

True, just look at the 2009 season lol

[past drift]

If we consider Brawn new, then yeah

[short glade]

it wasnt

[meager pewter]

In 98 they lost Newey and got Mechchromes, which were the worser of the two Renault rebadges

In 1999 they had a quick car, could be considered one of the better with the Supertec-Renault, but had some reliability issues when it mattered

[south tree]

Happened the same in 2000 with arrows, or well…kinda

They had the car with the highest top speed

But it was less reliable than a 2015 McLaren Honda

[oblique dock]

TAG Porsche V6

[short glade]

twin turbo

[meager pewter]

Them turbos are tiny

[shy crystal]

Hey

I’m doing this group project

For my French class

And I’m doing Alain Prost

I was wondering if y’all have any pictures of Alain Prost

Dm me if you do

[past drift]

me omw to ur mom

[oblique dock]

me omw to mclaren to escape angry renault employees

[limber atlas]

me omw to ferrari

[meager pewter]

Me omw to get curly hair

[round swift]

Good choice 😉

[remote oxide]

ah the senna v prost rivalry

that was one of the greatest rivalries ever

[tiny flower]

it was

[idle gale]

Wonder how much the teams have spent repairing their cars after this iconic pileup? Sure its gotta be 10 million at best

[south tree]

Prost: and this is how I will destroy your chances of championship on ‘89

[south tree]

But Jordan

[oblique dock]

The gang of 4

[idle gale]

Senna: And I took that personally

[paper fossil]

he took it personally when stewart did one on him in that interview

[edgy chasm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj7SWVFAehM

[neon vigil]

Marlboro x Ferrari

iconic duo

[hardy briar]

Holy shit that’s a sexy sounding car

[round swift]

v12

ofc sounds nice

i wonder will we get more cylinder count in the future

[hardy briar]

That’s not a v12

[round swift]

wait

lemme listen one more time

sheesh v10

they sound deeper tho

[past drift]

Probably because it's 3.5L

[idle gale]

The Barcode MP4/4, which McLaren had to use in some countries that had restrictive tobacco law

Martin Brundle wrecking it at Albert Park's notorious Turn 3

[gaunt atlas]

🤣

[hardy briar]

Hey brundle, wrong way bud!

[round swift]

He got sent flying jesus

The show car for the MP4/4

"MP4/4/SSC/10"

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/F9UWD6paOEE

[meager pewter]

Well this was the first so it wouldn't rev as high plus the previously mentioned size increase for 87-94

Sounds more akin to an LMP JUDD

https://youtu.be/v0pAD3Pfx50

not quite the JUDD Supra exhaust but

[slow grail]

rneo

[edgy chasm]

Alboreto

[analog jasper]

alboreto corner

[idle gale]

The Turbocharged Japanese Monster

[round swift]

Grippy tires 👀

🤣

[idle gale]

The engine of the 97 Arrows was officially the Yamaha OX11A, but it was also partially a Judd JV V10, wasn't it?

So it was technically the last "Judd" engine in F1

[south tree]

That one concretely is a 100% Yamaha V12

But idk about the v10

Ik also Tyrrell used them on 1995

[idle gale]

Rare to see a Pedal Cam in an F1 car https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut7yehpQjac

[ember cosmos]

Wow

[fair ivy]

https://twitter.com/mclarenf1/status/1506910600181473283?s=21

McLaren (@McLarenF1)

Ayrton Senna won his first home grand prix at Interlagos #OnThisDay in 1991. Nosso campeão! 🇧🇷🏆

#SennaSempre 🧡

https://t.co/DRzso9jvFd

Likes

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[oblique dock]

AYYYYRRTTTOOOONN SENNA DO BRASIIIIIIIIIILL

[edgy chasm]

Advanced 1995 cg model of Alain Prost’s nose

[round swift]

I think CG started in ‘85 but it doesn’t look that bad for 95…

[oblique dock]

Fuji TV had been doing CG intros since ‘87

[past drift]

Ye it's sick

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/6vXV6CSDMmQ

https://youtu.be/HGBCnDdb4lM

F1 GRAND PRIX!
IN JAPAN!

[edgy chasm]

Formula One Grand Prix

THE PACIFIC

[oblique dock]

Did that actually happen for the 1994/1995 Pacific GP?

[edgy chasm]

That intro? It did https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Rl9GLLCDTCg&list=PLAz1cC5Dm0tGe_oiWShqLCy7pnHD1rTs5&index=16

[round swift]

Interesting that’s actually cool that they had CG that far back

[night parcel]

wasn't that engine used in a F50 style yamaha concept?

[slender veldt]

wtf is that thing

[night parcel]

yamaha ox9-11

[slender veldt]

bru

[oblique dock]

It featured a Yamaha V12

[night parcel]

basically that f1 car but road legal

[night parcel]

ok

[slender veldt]

it's a* thing* that has wheels and a* engine*

[night parcel]

yeah it was awesome. Unfortunately minor things like NVH and accountants came through and it wasnt built

[night parcel]

🆗

[edgy chasm]

speaking of f1 powered road cars koenigsegg if you didn't know was going to use a flat 12 from subaru in the first cc prototypes , not sure what team in f1 ran that engine though

[oblique dock]

Coloni ran the Flat 12

[edgy chasm]

ah

[past drift]

Subaruwu Flat-12

because Carlo Chiti should really, really have retired earlier

[slender veldt]

susbaruwu

[edgy chasm]

well i guess the engine didn't impress christian so they went with an audi v8 for the cc prototypes instead

[oblique dock]

The MKI Jiotto Caspitta also featured the Flat 12, while the MKII Caspitta featured a Judd GV

[night parcel]

yeah lol

[edgy chasm]

i don't think ive seen the mk1 but i have seen the mk2 running the judd v10 on film

[past drift]

they use Mercedes V12s right

[edgy chasm]

that's pagani

[night parcel]

audi v8 huh? Didnt the prod car have a 4.6 modular from a crown vic with upgrades and a supercharger?

[past drift]

ah yes

[edgy chasm]

they switched to ford mid development

[night parcel]

oh

[edgy chasm]

audi wasn't letting them tune the engines

[night parcel]

very german of them

[edgy chasm]

amg however will build v12s to whatever specification pagani needs

[oblique dock]

7.0L V12? You got it!

[night parcel]

the huayra's use 3 valve single cam engines tho 🤡

except the r

that's an actual exotic hwa motor

lol

[past drift]

that's probably not out of random

[night parcel]

?

it's just boosted

sounds worse than the zonda tbh

unless you go huayra r

that thing is automotive nirvana

[oblique dock]

[edgy chasm]

huayra r for me more or so puts into perspective how good ferrari's intake technology is, when you compare the huayra r to the daytona sp3, which uses 20 year old architecture btw and its competing with a ground up track only v12

and they have a new one next year to replace the enzo derived f140 v12

[edgy chasm]

that yamaha would've been very fun to drive

[oblique dock]

The 0X9-11 vs the Caspita.
Yamaha vs Judd power

[edgy chasm]

imo the caspita wouldn't fare too well against an f50

the yamaha is lighter

so yeah i think the yamaha should beat the jiotto but the caspita is certainly more powerful

[meager pewter]

That is the OX99-11... Which had the Yamaha OX99 V12

https://youtu.be/l-yWPtEFst4

Y'all wanna hear what a B12 sounds like?

[past drift]

ofc

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/Gi6mbdyECls

15:27 for the Flat 12 at full chat

[meager pewter]

Oh wow that's got a wavy note to it

[round swift]

Crazy how small that camera is

[neon vigil]

didnt even notice the one on top had a camera on him tbh

took me a good 30 seconds

[idle gale]

When Renault technically raced against themselves

(The car in the background is a Toleman)

Which, lets not forget. Toleman became Benetton which became the 2000s works Renault team that became Lotus then back to Renault AGAIN and now finally Alpine

[hardy briar]

[night parcel]

yeah exactly

@meager pewter sorry for bringing this in f1 chat, but arent you one of the mods in TCC? I was banned for mistakenly sending some link in a dm. It's been 6-7 months. Can I be possibly unbanned

[past drift]

What's TCC

[meager pewter]

Idk either

[round swift]

transitional cell carcinoma

[hardy briar]

The Car Community

[round swift]

True crime community

[past drift]

Aight, never heard of that discord

[round swift]

Same naming a discord by a cancer is pretty weird

[hardy briar]

Kinda shit, owned by some 16 year old but somehow has 26k members

[round swift]

I bet they drive Honda civics

With no exhausts

BAAAAAAAA

[hardy briar]

Probably

There is 3 types of people there: rich mf with like supercars, broke mf with shitboxes, and children who can’t drive

[round swift]

I’m apart of the broke mf with shitboxes

🤣😣

[hardy briar]

And then there is Artyom who is an epic Finnish man who organizes historic rallies and takes amazing videos

I know it’s not F1 but these are the types of pics he takes, this is his bug and its just a static pic

[round swift]

Very nice

[hardy briar]

Hid bug in the background

[oblique dock]

Touring Car Championship

😎

[hardy briar]

Another pic of his

Sorry reb i know its off-topic

[past drift]

My name is brandon stance and i drive a 2002 s2k w/ indy hlt rims and Potenza s007 tyres 15° of negative camber

[hardy briar]

[round swift]

bruhhhh

[north sand]

It's not allowed to ask for an illegal stream nor to direct someone to an illegal stream. We are a partnered server, so piracy has no place in this server. This includes discussing how to bypass geoblocks or paywalls.

[short glade]

😭

[idle gale]

Hold up. McLaren were using Beryllium Alloy Pistons for their Mercedes V10s? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmhaXXLubjM

[past drift]

Yes, and these alloys are not toxic

That's just the dumb excuse raised to forbid them

[meager pewter]

Beryllium is toxic if particulates are inhaled but like... Coppers' the same

But I believe Copper can be filtered out, whereas y'know

Beryllium makes chronicness

[round swift]

Why was I muted for two hours??

@past drift was this you or someone else?? I never got a reason why I got muted

Nah I just wanted to ask if they knew

I don't care if they don't know then

great

https://media-cdn.mclaren.com/media/images/articles/hero/Imola-Senna-1988_JOjQSNc.jpg

ah, classic imola

one of the best but also awful circuits of the past...

[hardy briar]

What’s going on with the empty grid spot?

[round swift]

apparently the race was boycotted by many teams

Brabham, McLaren, Williams and Lotus, boycotted the race

[oblique dock]

FISA-FOCA War

[idle gale]

The last French driver to win a GP. Until Pierre Gasly and Esteban Ocon obviously

[hardy briar]

[idle gale]

The car that kickstarted Ferrari's early 2000s resurgence. While it didn't have a WDC, the F399 managed to bag the 1999 Constructors Championship

[meager pewter]

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/4af76ae2-7f5c-4a42-8afa-5caf322adeee/dc20irc-34cb7b40-292f-42cf-a76f-bacc7faa7107.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOjdlMGQxODg5ODIyNjQzNzNhNWYwZDQxNWVhMGQyNmUwIiwiaXNzIjoidXJuOmFwcDo3ZTBkMTg4OTgyMjY0MzczYTVmMGQ0MTVlYTBkMjZlMCIsIm9iaiI6W1t7InBhdGgiOiJcL2ZcLzRhZjc2YWUyLTdmNWMtNGE0Mi04YWZhLTVjYWYzMjJhZGVlZVwvZGMyMGlyYy0zNGNiN2I0MC0yOTJmLTQyY2YtYTc2Zi1iYWNjN2ZhYTcxMDcuanBnIn1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmZpbGUuZG93bmxvYWQiXX0.ZKuZhj0odEtHltbzRxmwrtXw_SqBte21hae6DFK7s0A

Mika Salo in this bad boi

[hardy briar]

Such a sexy car

Man i miss that styling

The 90s were awesome and all

But those early 2000s cars were just

[meager pewter]

Not quite one o these

[round swift]

What joke did I make??? 🤣😭😭

[south tree]

Ig you mean that car but with the walrus stile front wing lmao

[quasi flint]

Ah the time when F1 cars looked like hotdogs on wheels

[past drift]

The Williams BMW livery was on point

[meager pewter]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Marc_Gene_-_Williams_FW26_during_practice_for_the_2004_British_Grand_Prix_(50830716988).jpg

Best williams

Undercut sidepods, walrus boiyo

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/Marc_Gene_-_Williams_FW26_during_practice_for_the_2004_British_Grand_Prix_(50831461001).jpg

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/jx3H5sOdnxU

Best Williams

[meager pewter]

Nice argument

Unfortunately I've now forgotten to read it

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/7ldgHKh_th8

[oblique dock]

1. FW14B
2. FW15C
3. FW11
4. FW07
5. FW18

[round swift]

FW20>FW14B

🤣

[oblique dock]

FW42 > ALL

[round swift]

Trueee

[north sand]

Congrats @round swift, you're now on lap 25

[round swift]

When do I pit??

[limber atlas]

good looking in a beefy kind of way like the 2014 merc

[oblique dock]

👀

[south tree]

That is 126cx?

Or 126c from 1980?

Ik both were the only ferraris which failed to qualify for a race ‘suposedly’

[lament rapids]

Halo. 2016 style

[oblique dock]

Guess the driver

[round swift]

126cx I think

[round swift]

Raul Boesel

[oblique dock]

Correct

[round swift]

Who’s helmet is this?

Hint: Loto

[signal flint]

A driver

[south tree]

Gilles?

Gilles Villeneuve

[round swift]

No

This is Gilles

[signal flint]

Gilles looks nothing like his son

[round swift]

Same with his helmet 😂

[signal flint]

Yea

[oblique dock]

Jean Pierre Jarier?

[round swift]

Nope

Not it

[oblique dock]

Rene Arnoux?

[round swift]

OLIVIER GROUILLARD

[oblique dock]

Ah

[idle gale]

How deep are the gravel traps? For F1 cars, REALLY FRECKING DEEP

[primal valley]

james hunt?

[round swift]

OLIVIER GROUILLARD

[primal valley]

no need to shout

[round swift]

???

[primal valley]

speaking in all caps

[round swift]

Then what’s the point of exclamation marks??

[primal valley]

its called how people talk on the internet

caps = loud

punctuation = nonexistant

[round swift]

me = don’t care

[primal valley]

then why did you ask

[round swift]

Because you said James hunt

And it obviously wasn’t

[primal valley]

it looked similar

[round swift]

I even gave you a hint

And you still said hunt

[primal valley]

it was a first glance guess

[round swift]

Yeah first glance

First millisecond glance

[primal valley]

Listen I took my memory from the Tooned 50 helmet he wore becaus ei watched that earlier today

it looked the same

[past drift]

Olivier Gruyère

[round swift]

The Fan Car

[primal valley]

classic super formula

[meager pewter]

Ooooh

I'd love to see how Fans'd be done now

I doubt they'd be that huge

[past drift]

doesn't the Aston Martin made by Newey have fans>

[meager pewter]

... Not that I know of

The T.50 does

[frozen prism]

technically Jacques did take inspiration from Gilles helmet

but he picked the strangest colors to pair with it

[past drift]

how did he take inspiration? his got a V with the colours of a polo his mom had

[frozen prism]

oh wait maybe i was thinking of another person

either way I was not really a fan of Villeneuve's color choice

[oblique dock]

Guess the driver

[late crag]

Nationality?

[frozen prism]

Moreno?

just taking a lucky swing

[oblique dock]

Nope

[frozen prism]

just to clarify

that is a Brabham right

[oblique dock]

Yes

[frozen prism]

ok

[oblique dock]

Here’s a hint: Simtek

[frozen prism]

Modena

[oblique dock]

Nope

[frozen prism]

wait

late 80s

and its a brabham driver

is that just David

[oblique dock]

Correct

[frozen prism]

bruh

Brabham in the late 80s just sorta became a family team by then

[oblique dock]

Well… David Brabham raced for the team in 1990, while Brundle and Modena raced in 1989

[frozen prism]

eh close enough

but Gary Brabham

we dont talk about him

[oblique dock]

Yeah. He may have success in sportscar racing, but it’s overshadowed by his, let’s say… off track activities

But anyway

[frozen prism]

Bruce McLaren man

what could have been

[oblique dock]

RIP Bruce

[frozen prism]

man did in 32 years what most people aspire to do in 60 years

win an F1 race before 25, nearly win the F1 Championship, founded your own motorsports team, finish 2nd in the WCC and win LeMans all before you turn 33

and win the CanAm Championship twice

[oblique dock]

What a track record

[frozen prism]

but his death was tragic and ironic

he crashed into the only thing outside of the track

a marshal's post that was supposed to be taken down years ago

[oblique dock]

What a shame

[frozen prism]

but this image is just chilling

[oblique dock]

It’s just as chilling as the site of Jim Clark’s accident

[frozen prism]

McLaren made a commemoration video of Bruce indicating him still alive and walking to his fatal crash site

[oblique dock]

That just sounds a bit haunting if i’m honest

[frozen prism]

for ure

*sure

the reason I believe Jim Clark was the most naturally talented driver in all of F1

was that he was never known for driving aggressive, or calculating, or any of that

he was just the fastest on the track

no matter what car

and old Jimmy was a mere farmer

he did not spend years honing his abilities

he was a farmer who got introduced to cars and got hooked

[oblique dock]

You don’t see any modern day drivers winning other championships, the Indy 500, and the WDC all in a single season nowadays

That was Jim Clark.

[frozen prism]

only Jimmy

and not to mention he has 8 grand chelems

still the most

[past drift]

he also got the F2 championships of France and the UK in 1965

(2 separate series)

[oblique dock]

And he had a pole record that wouldn’t be broken decades later by Ayrton Senna

[past drift]

stil has the record for grand slams

[frozen prism]

and Senna was the closest person we've seen to Clark

imo

[past drift]

not at all

[frozen prism]

career-wise anyway

he achieved so much in a relatively short time

[oblique dock]

When it comes to pole positions and racing in the rain, maybe.

But otherwise, not so much

[frozen prism]

but realistically there can be nobody like Jim Clark ever again

today's drivers all drive nearly if not the same

[past drift]

yeah you can't have someone that will cope with the imperfections of his machine the way he did

[frozen prism]

he didn't complain or give up with his car when it was unreliable

he just gave his all

[past drift]

the Lotus he drove were super fast but also super fragile, only his light touch could extract the potential of the car without breaking it apart

[oblique dock]

One handed in the wet at the old Spa-Francorchamps

[frozen prism]

especially the 1966 and 1967 Lotuses

iirc they used the powerful but heavy and unreliable BRM engines

but Clark still managed to grab some wins

[frozen prism]

not to mention in the 60s

[past drift]

68 was his, hands down.

[frozen prism]

driving one handed, flat out in a rain soaked Spa was a deathwish

but to Jim Clark it was a day at work

[frozen prism]

most definitely

He was better than Graham Hill in all fairness

and Hill took the WDC

[past drift]

yeah

[frozen prism]

its so weird how being a 3x WDC makes you an F1 great but a 4x WDC catapaults you into legend status

or could just be me

[past drift]

Senna only has 3 :x

point invalid

[frozen prism]

Jack Brabham could have very well won 4 WDCs

he nearly won in 1967 after winning in 1966

well Senna's case is unique

because he had about 5 years left in his career

5-7

[oblique dock]

People only hate Prost because of the Senna movie. It’s a shame, really.

[frozen prism]

Yeah the thing I did not like about the Senna movie was that they exaggerated Prost's actions

while I side with Senna in the Prost v Senna rivalry Prost did not deserve the hate in that movie

I get if it was to increase the drama and suspense but it came at the cost of Prost's reputation

[oblique dock]

They also left out details such as Senna vetoing Derek Warwick, only to find himself vetoed by Prost in 1993, Senna’s ruthlessness, the real scenario behind Suzuka ‘90 and Senna’s admittance to his actions a year later, etc.

Don’t get me wrong, I love the film, but it didn’t hit all the right marks

[frozen prism]

In all fairness Prost did seem like he turned into Senna

but I still think Senna wouldnt have won in 89

if he won in Suzuka he would have to edge Prost out in Australia

which seemed pretty difficult

[oblique dock]

Yeah. More DNF’s and non points finishes prior to Suzuka. Prost was consistent on podiums and top 5’s

[frozen prism]

when Senna was not crashing he was winning

but the DNFs hurted his championship hopes

[oblique dock]

He suffered mechanical issues and that crash with Mansell

[frozen prism]

but there was that controversy in Estoril

despite Mansell being black flagged he still went on and crashed into Senna

which was definitely crucial in his title hopes

I think the reason why most people dont see Prost over Senna was because he was never relatively popular compared to Senna

Ayrton was a global superstar

and Prost's WDC seasons have also been overlooked

1985 can be seen as a boring season as it was sandwiched between the great 1984 and 1986 seasons

[oblique dock]

How was 1985 boring?

[frozen prism]

not boring

i mean overshadowed

compared to the 1984 season which saw Senna debut and Lauda and Prost clashing and 1986 with the 3 way title fight

the title was fairly close in 1985 until Alboreto binned it in the final 5 races

[round swift]

Yeah the V. But the multi-coloured look was inspired by a jumper his mother once wore, but it also matched his personality which would blossom in F1

[frozen prism]

instead the only thing that blossomed were his bold statements

I generally think Jacques was still good until 2001

after that he lost the motivation and the edge

[round swift]

Well he was a loud and outspoken character

But also I good racer

Alot of respect

[frozen prism]

he just made unfortunate decisions

like moving to BAR instead of McLaren

[round swift]

Yup could’ve won more championships

[oak idol]

we should sign a petition to make f1 cars smaller

its stupid how big they are

[round swift]

They are big because of safety

Safety is the most important I believe

[hardy briar]

Ah yes a petition will make the FiA change their entire, very specific rule book

[oak idol]

bruhh

[oak idol]

🙏 I hope

[past drift]

excuse, Ferrari binned it

[round swift]

Yeah he retired because of the turbo/engine

Not his fault

[past drift]

same as Prost in the tail end of 83 really

[round swift]

Sorta yeah

[past drift]

Just saw something quite sad. Derek Warwick had a younger brother called Paul. This brother was racing in british F3000 in 1991, and won the first 4 races of the championship.
During the 5th race at Oulton Park, while leading, he had a mechanical failure on his car at high speed, and was thrown out of it and killed instantly.
Because they stopped the race and never started it again, he also won this race and the championship altogether because nobody was able to outscore him.

[vague tusk]

man, that is sad

[oblique dock]

If Paul Warwick made it to F1 alongside his brother, I’m sure he’d have some success under his belt

[hardy briar]

That’s so sad…

[round swift]

He could’ve been the next big thing

Man that’s pretty impressive 👀

[frozen prism]

There was also that feud with de Angelis

not much people knew about

[round swift]

I did not know about that

[frozen prism]

sorry I forgot to finish

Senna had a feud with de Angelis by the end of 1985 or 1986 iirc

but it was more so on Lotus' inability to run 2 #1 drivers

so de Angelis left and was replaced with crappy Dumfries

[oblique dock]

Also thanks to Senna vetoing Derek Warwick

[frozen prism]

I still generally don't know why he vetoed him

Warwick didn't seem much of a threat to him

and never went on to be

[oblique dock]

Yeah. Warwick winning races at Lotus would have been nice to see

It’s ironic seeing Senna complain about Prost vetoing him from Williams in 1993

[frozen prism]

Yeah but in all fairness I think that was a bit personal

[round swift]

Yeah kinda stupid if you ask me and makes no sense to me

[frozen prism]

I think it was because there was already a mutual agreement between Williams and Senna

and being the calibre of driver Senna was looking for his 4th title I won't blame him for being mad

but it was a bit hypocritical on his part

[round swift]

Yeah but why did Prost want to go back to racing?

The same reason senna wanted too, right?

https://preview.redd.it/ge8lq2xdhh981.jpg?width=537&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c06000b7f81abf4773a6a08b938b4813924bf0a

[frozen prism]

Prost just took a sabbatical

Prost did not wanna stop racing

[round swift]

^^^williams owned a Ferrari driven by Alain

[frozen prism]

there was just no good seats for him in 1992

[round swift]

Patrese could’ve been kicked out

[frozen prism]

Patrese was valuable

and WIlliams didn't even know if Prost was coming

And there was no good reason for Patrese to be kicked out

[round swift]

Patrese got one pole while Mansell had 14 or something

[frozen prism]

at times he held Senna behind

[round swift]

He was slow

Senna still had two more wins then him

Didn’t do a good job then

[frozen prism]

well yeah Senna is literally Senna

[round swift]

True true

[frozen prism]

and Patrese's job was to be #2 to Mansell, defending from Senna and the others

there were 6 1-2 finishes for Williams

Patrese always had to stay behind

[round swift]

Yeah what about the 91 season without all of the driver aids they had in 92

It’s the vehicle…

[frozen prism]

Patrese wasn't slow he was just doing his job

[round swift]

Patrese is slow look at the races he’s entered and then his stats

[frozen prism]

well in 1991 he was 3rd in the WDC

the Williams was not as reliable in 1991

McLaren had the more reliable car which is why Senna won

and Patrese took 4 pole positions in 1991

and 2 victories

and the only reason Patrese's race to points ratio is low because he spend his first years with backmarkers

He entered relatively young

but in his 2nd season he already got a 2nd place finish

and went on to record podiums every season

except for 1979

you also have to look at the reliabiltiy back then

the late 70s and early 80s were a battle for reliability

so its understandable if he retired alot

but when he wasnt retiring he was snatching podiums

[round swift]

Yeah that’s still why I don’t think he was still a good driver

There were better options

[frozen prism]

Patrese was to Mansell as Berger was to Senna

Patrese left in 93

Prost won the WDC

[round swift]

No no no Berger was something else

Berger was catching senna in some races

Patrese literally won a handful races in his 16 seasons

[frozen prism]

because Patrese was built to be the #2 man

he was never hired to compete with the other driver

he was hired to contribute

and the early 80s were also one of the competitive times

with many decent drivers on different teams

[frozen prism]

so there were not much available seats for Patrese

[round swift]

Berger>

[frozen prism]

don't you think Patrese's skill and value are one of the factors to why Patrese even lasted 16 seasons

you stay in F1 for a reason

either your a pay driver, a contender, or a valuable contributor

[round swift]

Becuz he didn’t want to retire and got offers?

I would stay too for the money and to race

Lol

[frozen prism]

yeah but its not easy when your in your mid 30s in the 90s

many studs in the early 80's lost their drives because they weren't competitive enough or that no team wanted them

[round swift]

He won six Formula One races, with a record gap of over six years between two of these the 1983 South African Grand Prix and 1990 San Marino Grand Prix.

“With Alain Prost, Ayrton Senna and Nigel Mansell all desperately trying to sign for Williams, Patrese's position looked to be under threat and he signed for the Benetton team before the end of the year”

👀

[frozen prism]

well of course you cant compete with Senna Mansell and Prost

nobody thinks otherwise

[round swift]

Or even Berger really lmao

[frozen prism]

but that was a chaotic situation

having 3 legends trying to take the seat at Williams

[round swift]

I think they choose the right decision

[frozen prism]

and there you are caught in the middle of it

Patrese was old anyway and just wanted to retire

so he went to Benetton

got a few podiums then and there

Williams offered him a seat in 94 after Senna died

but Patrese respected Senna and did not want to replace him

[round swift]

Yes he partnered a young Schumacher

[round swift]

Where did you get this from?

Any source??

[frozen prism]

https://en.vmax.si/2020/06/16/riccardo-patrese-po-imoli-1994-bi-lahko-sedel-v-sennin-sedez/

and also wikipedia

All I know is that Patrese was offered a seat

Patrese also tested the FW18 in 1996

and somehow he set a time that would've put him near the front of the grid

[round swift]

Yes same with Alain for McLaren…

[round swift]

Nigel was asked first though I thought

Or was it Alain

[frozen prism]

i dont know

all i know is he was offered a seat

but he declined

the man was 40 and just wanted to retire

so I don't see why not

[round swift]

I would too dangerous era when drivers aid were banned

[frozen prism]

?

[frozen prism]

how?

[round swift]

Sweeping rule changes were introduced for 1994, most notably a ban on all electronic "driver aids"; such as active suspension, anti-lock brakes, traction control and launch control.

“Ayrton Senna was among several observers who said that, with such features removed but no attempt to curtail the speed of the cars, 1994 would be "a season with a lot of accidents"”

[frozen prism]

I mean that wouldve been dangerous

But the drivers would've gotten used to it

but the early part of 94 was horrible

[round swift]

Because of the chicanes

help lower the speeds

did you see the chicane at spa that year

🤣

[frozen prism]

yes eau rouge

[late crag]

an uphill left right

[round swift]

Yeah

[late crag]

looked horrendous to drive

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/CrRNlBAT3lU

[late crag]

you would've been leaned sideways trying to turn up a hill

[frozen prism]

What interests me is that most people think Senna suffered a puncture

this is one of the more interesting theories ive seen

but I doubt he had a puncture

[round swift]

Italian law says otherwise

“In February 1995, a 500-page report by a team of judicial investigators was handed over to Italian prosecutors which attributed Senna's crash to steering column failure caused by a pre-race adjustment.”

wasn’t a puncture lol

[frozen prism]

I know

still interesting to see peoples theories

[round swift]

Stupid of how people think it was

[frozen prism]

but there are idiots who think Ayrton was shot and assasinated

[round swift]

🤦‍♂️

[frozen prism]

the worst part, they were Brazillians

[late crag]

The humanity

[frozen prism]

Senna "steering to the slide" theory is also pretty stupid

cause you never see the wheels go right or his steering wheel turn to the right

hell you even see his head trying to turn to the left so much you see his head appear

[late crag]

But why would he just be like "hm, let me turn at high speed opposite to the corner"

[round swift]

Not true

[frozen prism]

exactly

and after you see him go over the bump at Tamburello

[round swift]

People tracked the yellow button on his steering wheel

[frozen prism]

the car just stops turning

and Williams explaining it was vertical force put on the steering wheel is stupi

*stupid

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/-Y5gFgD7fOY

[frozen prism]

why would you incorporate that in a race car going at 200 mph

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/a3xbZBd9SrA

[frozen prism]

that is not only dangerous but completely useless

[round swift]

Those two videos proved it wasn’t a puncture

[frozen prism]

the saddest part is when you see his head appear in the frame

[round swift]

Doesn’t show him crashing

[frozen prism]

thats when you know he was desperately trying to turn the car

it still involves it i think

[round swift]

It’s safe to send

[frozen prism]

i dunno

[round swift]

He’s not died yet

😔

[frozen prism]

alright you do you

[frozen prism]

but you can see him trying to desperately turn to the left

his head appears in the camera since hes trying to turn to the apex

[round swift]

Yes exactly

[late crag]

Remember how he was going to honor the late Ratzenberger based on the flag inside the car

He wanted to

[frozen prism]

Actually I heard it wasn't true that he had an Austrian flag in his cockpit

but what was true is that he had an Austrian flag ready to wave

whether it was in his cockpit or from a marshall at the end of the race

[late crag]

it rules out a purposeful crash

[frozen prism]

and why would he crash on purpose

he was a 3x world champion looking for a 4th

had everything to live for

[late crag]

No reason, just to seal off the chance

[frozen prism]

and the bottoming out theory seems a bit plausible

however the evidence given to prove that is not that plausible

you always see sparks from cars coming out of Tamburello

thats just the bumpy nature of the turn

[late crag]

The surface was, well, up to 90s standards

[frozen prism]

And you never see the steering wheel behave like that in previous sessions

[round swift]

And the safety was worst

[frozen prism]

whether it was in Imola, Aida, or Interlagos

the steering wheel never behaved like that

so its clear Williams wanted to cover up something

and an anonymous individual got the blackbox out of the car

[round swift]

Yup

[frozen prism]

which was the most crucial item in the car that wouldve been used to analyze what happened

Im not saying Frank or the Williams team killed Senna

but its highly suspicious what they did after the accident

[late crag]

Well, to be known as a team that had a car kill one of f1's legends is not a good rep

Might have had an influence on what they did

Might be the issue they covered up, I have no clue

[frozen prism]

that FW16 was a weird car early in the season

if Williams just waited out until Monaco for Senna's new steering column instead of rushing an extension into it, botching the column everything would have gone fine

[idle gale]

So they managed to replace the crap W12 with a Judd V8 and yet they still failed to modify the airbox/engine cover to fit the V8...

[south tree]

The legend says it flew away

I mean the cover

And they had to take it

[idle gale]

The things the film makers had to do to make Grand Prix 1966

[late aspen]

Just noticed how the Unipart F1 Team in 1980 looks very similar to last year's Haas

[south tree]

Looks like a ‘75 F1 car

[past drift]

If that isn't a 1975 McLaren M23.. I don't know what is

[south tree]

Me neither

I mean, I see the lateral skirts which helped on the ground effect

But ‘75 like scoop and the rest is a M23 or looks like one

[short glade]

who would use this in 1980 xd

[late aspen]

Came up on Google when I put in 1980 Unipart F1 team lmfao

[frozen prism]

that is not an 1980 car

their 1980 car would be the Ensign N180

[oblique dock]

The N180 looks nice

[elfin dirge]

How much do you think this flag worth?

[vague tusk]

more than my kidneys sell for

[opal meadow]

lets test that theory out

[frozen prism]

If you can find it and verify it, probably 100k depending on whos gonna buy it

[elfin dirge]

@frozen prism no way it's that much, race worn helmets of him sell for 20k, so it can't be more then couple thousnd......

[blissful junco]

Brazil 1991..

[hardy briar]

Wait, that’s it?

[round swift]

Ikr , gonna sell everything I own to buy that helmet

[frozen prism]

whoops accidentally added another 0

[idle gale]

Trying to push the car across the line while in the blazing sun wasn't easy

[late crag]

shhhh let him sleep

[meager pewter]

A mimir

[round swift]

get up

[round swift]

He needs some milk

[potent cloak]

He does indeed need some 🥛

[past drift]

why milk in particular

[potent cloak]

Because he just needs some milk

[vernal jacinth]

milcc

[potent cloak]

ayo 😳 that’s kinda sus

🤨

[round swift]

Lol

[potent cloak]

Stop this suspect behavior rn.

[south tree]

Bruh

But it’s true

HE NEEDS SOME MILk!

[idle gale]

Brundle: "And a couple of years later, I made it into the corner. But sadly, not all the way to the exit"

[round swift]

Poor brundle

[short glade]

the hell even happened

[round swift]

Why was the 1985 South African GP on a Saturday?

[short glade]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique dock]

Guess the driver

[past drift]

who hasn't tested the MP4/B

[round swift]

Anyone except for me

😔

[past drift]

if it's any consolation, i also haven't

and i'm a sucker for the noise of the DFV

[round swift]

Iconic livery

Reminds me of mansell and prost

[low valve]

I heard one irl

It was godly

[south tree]

Heard 4 at the same time during a show

All of them coming from Lotus which won F1 championships here in Jarama

That back in 2013 when they had their (50th?) anniversary

[frozen prism]

Watson?

[round swift]

Not sure if I can send it here but this is pretty amazing

[oblique dock]

Wrong

[frozen prism]

wait is that just Lauda

[oblique dock]

Wrong again

[frozen prism]

de Cesaris?

[oblique dock]

Nope.

The correct answer is: Tommy Byrne

[frozen prism]

test driver?

[oblique dock]

After having success in F3, Byrne tested for Mclaren in 1982. He managed to clock faster lap times than both Watson and Lauda. Unfortnately, he then became a driver for Theodore in the later stages of the ‘82 season.

There’s a documentary about Byrne that’s very interesting

[frozen prism]

ah i see

i knew it was the 82 car cause of the funky no front wing

but i forgot who the test drivers were

[round swift]

Eddie Jordan — who worked with both Ayrton Senna and Michael Schumacher once said:
"Forget Schuey and Senna. Tommy Byrne was the best of them all."

https://youtu.be/EVBbZFVAhLs

[blissful junco]

Ayrton and Michael.

[round swift]

'93 I believe

Interesting...

[gray moon]

Who allowed nine year olds to vote?

[frozen prism]

has to be, Senna has ford on his racing suit

[past drift]

Why are you saying this?

[gray moon]

Senna has the same stats as lewis

[past drift]

What's this got to do with 9 yo

[round swift]

Yeah it says that in the picture at the bottom lol 😂

[torn widget]

i think the greatest driver of all time is gilles villeneuve

[gaunt rover]

jacques>

[torn widget]

no way

jacques was good but gilles was a different beast

[torn widget]

and thats coming from being a canadian and a williams fan

[hardy briar]

Jim Clark

Not the best in terms of WDC or Race Wins

But my god

What a driver

25/73 race wins
33/73 pol positions

[past drift]

Jim Clark is the best

[oblique dock]

Clark is goated

[round swift]

Clark was something else man. I remember hearing once that he was a minute ahead of second place…

[past drift]

1963 dutch GP, he lapped everybody

[round swift]

Shoooooshhh

Definitely a top five driver of all time

[past drift]

at worst ye

[round swift]

I mean Autosport had him at number 5 for best f1 drivers of all time

http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=5

[low valve]

Bruh what hamilton has only had 9 dnfs since 2013?? Thats actually crazy

[ionic tiger]

5% dnf rate

damn

[frozen prism]

well its hard to be taken out when your car gets you a mile away from anybody else

[past drift]

Mechanical issues exist tho

[idle gale]

The Honda RA302. A literal deathtrap on wheels

[hardy briar]

iirc one time at Spa, his Engine Oil line was ruptured and he was afraid that his engine would blow up from overheating, so his solution? Turn the engine off going into a corner, coast through, start it up again at the apex, and use it until the next corner. And guess what? He won. By 30 seconds

That man was just

Attached to whatever car he was in

Like he was a part of it

Not driving it

But just becoming one

You watch videos of him driving

Doing racing lines to perfection and correcting oversteer in a way that the untrained eye might not even notice

He may not be #1 statistically, but he is my #1 of all time.

[frozen prism]

Spa did everything to stop Clark

but Jimmy dominated Spa everytime he raced there

[past drift]

Except in 66, 67

[frozen prism]

weirder enough from '63 to '65 both Jim and Bruce McLaren were always on the podium

[past drift]

Sad pepe hands

[frozen prism]

man amon had the worst luck of all

[idle gale]

Apparently Jim did a couple of races within one day, according to debatable sources. Like as soon as Jim raced and won an F1 race, he went to another race either an F2 (What was F2 in the 60s?) or a touring car race almost immediately

[round swift]

True because Jim was known to race in F2 races, hence he died in an F2 race!

[frozen prism]

well most 60s drivers did f2 races cause the gaps between f1 races were pretty long at the time

[idle gale]

And one race at Spa, I don't remember which year it was, Jim had experienced some intense gearbox problem. But much like Ayrton Senna, Jim won the race while trying his best to keep his gearshifter in place

[frozen prism]

yeah he had one hand on the wheel and one hand on the stick

And remember Jim did not have much racing experience prior to F1

he was just a sheep farmer

from the calm plains of Scotland

[hardy briar]

Never underestimate a scottish lad

[elfin dirge]

Someoneknows a good site to buy f1 memorabilia?

[short glade]

thats so big brain lmao

[lusty ember]

Can we all agree that the 1970 cars were hot ass

[hasty birch]

I like 80's more tbh

[oblique dock]

The 80’s-Early 90’s were beautiful

[frozen prism]

you have your opinions

Jochen Rindt's damaged car left in the garage

(This was the car he died in at Monza)

[hardy briar]

[lusty ember]

80 mid 90 are good but the front wing body on the 75 cars is just he'll no

[edgy chasm]

i liked early 90s but the early 80s turbo cars looked a bit chunky

[hardy briar]

Not a single thing that felt fear in that man

[hasty birch]

yea a legend

[hardy briar]

Fuckin hell

UK has 20 titles

[hasty birch]

In what

[dull lark]

.

[round swift]

80’s 90’s and early 20’s had very nice designs

Especially the F2002 Ferrari 🤤

[tardy haven]

F2004 🤩

[round swift]

I would say F2004 but I can’t cause it’s only 2002 and below but the F2004 was very good

[signal flint]

Why did f1 go through the small front wing phase

[round swift]

Is this a ground effect car

What year was ground effect banned

[agile ravine]

no

[round swift]

I think spa 63

[round swift]

Oh

[round swift]

Did he come close?

[agile ravine]

multiple times I think

hes known as the unluckiest f1 driver ever

[round swift]

Ah

[agile ravine]

much more unlucky than hulkenberg

[round swift]

He won Le Mans no?

[round swift]

Was that the magnesium one

Jochen Rindt would’ve probably been a multiple world champion

He was the best of that era, after Jackie

[unique cipher]

Wsg everyone

[round swift]

Yes

Ground effect happened until 1982

And once again in 2022

So forty years later

[paper fossil]

yes that was the dreaded magnesium car

schlesser did like two laps in it and was then killed in a fire

thing is about magnesium is it continues to burn even after oxygen is taken out of the reaction

who the hell thought that was a good idea

rather insane they built a second one for surtees to run at italy

[frozen prism]

yeah many times

hes set a few poles then and there

but the ferrari during his time was at times unreliable or not quick enough to be at the front

Enzo Ferrari said himself that Amon was just a victim of horribly bad luck

[hardy briar]

https://youtu.be/2vkRn-E6L84

Thought you guys would find this neat

[past drift]

Both are yeah, 1979 and 1981 Ferrari

[meager pewter]

It is a Ground Effect car, D'know why they said it wasn't
Ground Effect for all intents and purposes was banned from 1983

[covert raven]

THAT time when Schumi raced for Jordan

[meager pewter]

You buffoon

https://live.staticflickr.com/2757/4387949378_4952744c3b_b.jpg

THAT TIME SCHUMI DROVE FOR JORDAN

[past drift]

lol

[covert raven]

this is benetton ford 93 season ffs man...check your facts

[meager pewter]

[past drift]

[south tree]

Bruh

[frozen prism]

i think that was the 1980 car

cause of the #2

but man that car was not good in 1980

[frozen prism]

it is quite funny how both schumachers drove for jordan

[past drift]

ye youre right, didn';t notice it was 2 and not 12

1980

[frozen prism]

that 1980 car proves that one team cannot use slightly changed variants of the same car

sometimes it could pay off if the teams used very adaptable chassis like the lotus 72 and the mclaren m23

[meager pewter]

unless you're 2000@s ferrari

[frozen prism]

i dont think they used the same chassis

not for some of them anyway

but i think the f-2000 was a development of their 98 and 99 cars

[meager pewter]

Well in the first couple of races of 2002, 2003 and 2005 they used the previous years' car

[frozen prism]

ah ok

but what i meant was about teams that basically used the same basic chassis just changing and adapting it to the other competition or the regulations

i.e the Lotus 72 that Lotus used from 1970-1975, the McLaren M23 that McLarens used from 1973-1977, and the Ferrari 312T that they used from 1975-1980 and etc.

[covert raven]

ohhhhh okayyyy sorry mate! i was wrong....this was ralf schumacher and not michael in the jordan....my bad sorry for my language as well

[covert raven]

language here i talk about

[meager pewter]

It was also 98

So I thought it was a bit

[covert raven]

yeah yeah misunderstanding on my part as well

[frozen prism]

wasnt that the year damon went there and jordan used honda engines

[meager pewter]

Yes

[short glade]

god imagine being so good you still can crush people with your old car

[past drift]

it didn't work in 2003 and 2005

[short glade]

aw

[frozen prism]

yeah 2005 was not a good year

2003 was a meh year since williams and mclaren had risen to the front

[short glade]

2005 stupid fia rules screwed them

and now the same happening to merc!!!11!!1

[frozen prism]

bruh

[past drift]

the same rule screw bit was last year

[meager pewter]

Ypoa this is not nearly the same thing

But in 2003 Michelin had got good as their tyres were cash

Then they got beaned mid 2003 for their construction after Indy 2003

Then had the pop in indy 2004

Then just died in indy 2005

[short glade]

the !!!!!11!1 means sarcasm

[south tree]

Even the old F2002 got at least a podium in every single mcfuckin race it competed in

Including the few 2003 races it joined

[meager pewter]

Massive bruh

[sleek cargo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l_cXXfLAeQ

look at the wheel man

so satisfying

[meager pewter]

Just stamps it 20 seconds in and rides the slip angle

Hot

[past drift]

reasons why i can't get enough of that DFV sound

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSG29OsL1GE that one in the dry. also he was one of the only drivers at the time to drive full out with the camera on his car for the recording

[frozen prism]

man depailler

taken away too soon

[past drift]

In a way yes, he missed his chance at the title like an idiot though

[frozen prism]

1979?

[past drift]

Yeah

Man went delta planing during the summer break, and broke his legs

He was 4th with a 10pt deficit, really nothing

[frozen prism]

yeah wasnt there also the story of how he was about to be cleared to race when he fell off his hopsital bed

and had to stay out the rest of the year

[past drift]

Don't think so

But this one sounds funny, if you can find it, I'd love to read it!

[meager pewter]

Jordan used Mugen-Hondas from 1998-2000 and it was their most successful stint

[past drift]

Bellend lol

[meager pewter]

Rebreaking

Pain

[meager pewter]

Ralf was faster than Damon for Spa 1998

And was told to not overtake

https://cdn-5.motorsport.com/images/mgl/YBMr58B2/s8/f1-belgian-gp-1998-pdoum-racewinner-damon-hill-jordan-second-place-ralf-schumacher-jordan.jpg

Which would've been his first win, 4 years early

Basically Damon on the radio was sly and convinced Eddie to keep the 1 2 rather than pull what Michael/David had

[hardy briar]

🙏

[trim solstice]

andrea moda?

ok yes

[shut crow]

yuh

[hollow cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/vintage-f1-ferrari-slide-drift-gif-4843043

ive been trying to find the origin of this gif

[round swift]

The most spectacular driver ever

Top 15 driver of all time

No doubt

[idle gale]

Even legendary drivers like Ayrton gets it wrong at Monaco

And to think, the recovery vehicle drop costed the M23 more compared to how it costed after it crashed