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#classic-motorsport
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Was this testing at silverstone or something
i guess
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To this day, I don't know if the false start at Nurburgring 1999 was a legit false start or it was intentional by the FIA to catch some teams jump starting the race https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWhA5DBuLJw
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the start light sequence was the same for all the races until then
some teams played an beep on the driver's earphone a couple milliseconds before the lights went out to get a perfect start
the fia heard about it and for this race they changed the pattern for the lights without telling the teams
then that happened
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Why did senna race with #27 that year
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Why did senna race with #27 that year
Prost won the 1989 WDC, so in accordance to the number regulations, Prost got 1 on his Ferrari (while Nigel got 2). And since Ferrari had kept 27 and 28 for quite some time, I imagine that they would simply not be discarded. So therefore, 27 and 28 went to Senna and Berger
My explanation might not be entirely correct
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Why did senna race with #27 that year
Alain Prost transferred from McLaren to Ferrari, bringing his number 1 with him, and thereby allocating Mansell number 2. Thus 27 transferred to McLaren where it was assigned to Senna’s car.
27 had graced the cars of, among others, Jones, Villeneuve, Mansell, Senna and Prost. Quite a line up.
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good for him
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honestly
good for him
wonder if she was one of the women that told him "go faster"
like that other interview
i think it was featured in the movie about him
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Crazy just how dominant the mp4/4 was…
Only race the car lost was because Ayrton got crashed in to and prost retired
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Absolute insanity
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Italian GP
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And it’s not like it didn’t have good drivers or cars competing against it, it was just on another level
Plus prost and senna
2 amazing drivers
I would love to see a mclaren special livery that recreates the old red and white
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wonder if she was one of the women that told him "go faster"
Did you know that senna once dated a 15 year old back in 1985 and it lasted until 1988. Her name was Adriane Yamin.
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Edgar Allen Poe momento
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Edgar Allen Poe momento
*Allan
And wasn’t it his cousin he dated?
That’s a lot worst tbh
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Go right ahead
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Lol
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Woah
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Double woah
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sleek cargo
To this day, I don't know if the false start at Nurburgring 1999 was a legit fal...
I heard it was intentional bcs teams created a system which sent an audible warning to the driver 100 milliseconds before the last red light went out. The result was a perfect start.
FIA but soon became suspicious and prepared a cunning trick for the 1999 European Grand Prix to reveal who was cheating. The race director changed the starting sequence without notifying the drivers and teams.
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meanwhile me who is all for the MP4/13
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ELw2HvkXYAEXD-Q.jpg
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real shame they didn't make their actual cars with this livery
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less good
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It was doomed
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lmao
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i can see that
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99?
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Yes
Its purpose was similar to the one surrounding the Toyota TF101 of 2001, in that it was supposed to be a working test car used in preparation for a full scale development on Grand Prix racing in the following years.
The Toyota TF101 was the first formula one car to run on Esso fuel since the 1960’s.
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wasnt toyota meant to join in 2001 but got delayed to the next year
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Just for testing purposes
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hmm
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2002 was there first year
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https://cdn-ddcfa.nitrocdn.com/JQYfXJOBUFneKLnOzezIRFhjbgnfyVnx/assets/static/op...
Shame Harvey Posthlewaite died
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:c
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would have been interesting to see that Honda compete. From what I remember, it clocked in some decent times at the hands of Jos Verstappen
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:o
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would have been interesting to see that Honda compete. From what I remember, it ...
Mid-field times
“The project was looking promising, with the prototype machine setting competitive midfield times in tests with Jos Versyappen alongside better funded and more established F1 teams.”
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looks like a jordan in honda colors
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idk bout dis
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The RC101 and 101B prototypes by Honda
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https://drivetribe.imgix.net/Hk-5R_udTfunj5wvUZusLQ?w=742&h=495&auto=format,comp...
This used the RA122E V12
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Satoru Nakajima at the wheel
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that doesnt look 1996
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Well it was made in 96 but never raced
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Well it was made in 96 but never raced
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Satoru Nakajima at the wheel
dis
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That was 92-93 I think
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well it has grooved tyres so it cant be 96
and it has 4 grooves on the front tyres so it cant be 98
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raised nose MP4/5 isn't real
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Monza 1990
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Williams’ FW11C, which tested a Judd V8
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it can't hurt you
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Lol
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In the late 1987 McLaren built an MP4/3B test car replacing the TAG Porsche engine with the Honda turbo.
The car was tested by Prost, Senna and test driver Emanuele Pirro.
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1987 Monza?
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I can’t tell by the track
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Prost lapped Imola over 2 seconds faster in the MP4/4 than he had in the MP4/3B
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wowie
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That’s the MP4/4 for ya
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The track is Silverstone
“The car ran for the first time in Prost’s hands at a chilly Silverstone in December, and later in the winter Senna took the wheel for his first ever experience of a McLaren since his famous test with the team in 1983.”
The MP4/4 went on track and the lap times just went quicker and quicker and quicker. It was getting dark – and Ayrton didn't want to stop. It was an absolutely amazing experience.”
In Senna's hands the car was an astonishing two seconds faster than its nearest rival.
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Dear god…
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mein gott
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dayum
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karmic trellis
In Senna's hands the car was an astonishing two seconds faster than its nearest ...
Prost did a test with ligier in 1992 when he was in his off season and he was 1.9 seconds faster than their contracted driver Thierry Boutsen who was no slouch. His time was good enough for front row start in Estoril and that was in Ligier which was nowhere near a top team in 1992. The old fox still had it. Alain is my top 3 of all time for a reason. Not even Senna made it in my top 3. If you carefully research his career and watch some of his races you would know why I have this opinion.
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Prost did a test with ligier in 1992 when he was in his off season and he was 1....
Why didn’t he race with them then
If he was that fast, even though pole positions don’t matter as much as a win…?
But 2 seconds faster is pretty impressive with a Liger tbh lol
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Why didn’t he race with them then
Because Ferrari were still paying him for 1992 so he doesnt drive with anyone and he judged that despite the fact he could get most out of the car the team didnt have resources and wasnt serious enough to commit. In other words he knew he wont challenge for the title and it would be a waste of time driving for them. Guy Ligier was broken after the test because he wanted him but couldnt sign him because he already had contracted drivers. He knew how much faster his cars could go with Alain behind the wheel and what a opportunities he had with him behind the wheel so it bothered him alot he isnt able to put Alain in his car. With him they would have been best of the rest with alot of podiums.
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Because Ferrari were still paying him for 1992 so he doesnt drive with anyone an...
Meh I don’t think he would’ve got any podiums with them, especially against McLaren, Benetton, Ferrari, and Williams. It seemed like Liger had a few engine problems during the season too.
Did they have a customer Renault engine?
Renault RS3C V10 while Williams had it too until they switched to the RS4 during the season
About a 50 horsepower difference sorta
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it can't hurt you
Cursed
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wait: is michael schumacher alive?
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yes
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Dude yes he’s alive
Even though we don’t know his medical state, I believe he is in a wheelchair though.
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Happy Birthay Michael. Turn 53 today the Kaiser
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but not for OVEST
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what’s ovest
Anyways here’s the FW11B
Williams first active suspension formula car
@oblique dock I wonder which formula one car is the most powerful in trim qualifying setup?
The Benetton B186 made 1,350 - 1,400 horsepower in qualifying trim
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The Lotus 98T
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<@!725796175273525300> I wonder which formula one car is the most powerful in tr...
I’m guessing it would have to be one of the BMW powered cars from 1986, but I’m guessing it might be the Benetton
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1984 brabham
hp amount unknown to me
according to some rumors the engine broke the dyno at the bmw factory because it was so op
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The Lotus 98T
I’m getting 1,250HP
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imagine unrestricted modern v6 hybrids
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Relatively speaking, I did fastest laps
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And even though that's fastest laps in the race
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and does this matter to the current conversation
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imma go sleep im tired
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The BMW M12
The most powerful engine in Formula One
Read the comments
Pretty cool facts
“It was capable of 1,400-1,500 hp in maximum boost.”
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before exploding
it once had such a massive detonation in testing it ripped the car in half and put a piston into the pavement
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In 1984 it would've been 1,100 or so
Yeah 1,100hp in qualifying trim in 1984
The top five cars through the speed trap at Monza (Berger and teammate Teo Fabi, Brabham's Derek Warwick and Riccardo Patrese, and the Arrows of Thierry Boutsen) were all powered by the BMW M12.
And it reached 352.22 km/h.
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Murray Walker: "I hate to say this but, a lot of people here are really debating whether Ricardo Rosset is Formula 1 material."
Martin Brundle: "Well it's a fairly short debate, Murray."
It was this race as well where the fed up Tyrell mechanics switched the words on Rosset's name to Tosser
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"Some people say he often drives like he's going backwards...
...but now he's putting it into practice!"
edgy fossil
Good ol’ Murray Walker
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happy birthday, Michael Schumacher!
marsh mango
happy birthday, Michael Schumacher!
legendary car
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Schumi's bd? Schumi's bd.
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happy birthday, Michael Schumacher!
nice
lofty grotto
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Schumi's bd? Schumi's bd.
That doesn't look like Michael
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shi
that might not be him, ye
still qualifies for classic, so...
I'll simply post a definitely Michael pic as a penalty
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heyyyy, nice
y'know, the 1st version of this pic I saw had the tobacco and beer sponsors cut out
like this
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(it was Nelson Piquet)
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ye ye
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Happy bday Micheal :D
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There was a story where Benetton wanted to disguise smb as him
lethal citrus
Happy Birthday Michael
hardy briar
Just have to do the clear coat tomorrow
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nice!
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Nsfw
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oh beautiful
analog jasper
hot
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although, it does look empty without the JPS decals
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so beautiful
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y'know, the 1st version of this pic I saw had the tobacco and beer sponsors cut ...
the RTL (German TV channel) on his shoulders as well
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Happy birthday champ
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hbms (happy birthday michael schumacher)
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One of the greatest drivers ever
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One of the greatest drivers ever
the goat
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this Michael topic makes me wonder, will Ferrari go to a darker red again now that PMI is gone? hmmm
i'd like the 1995 red back
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJ-G0p9bnFY nyoom
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https://preview.redd.it/cq7lwlqhi5f61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a8a49...
what the fuck?
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what the fuck?
Chassis #193 F399
Search it up
He broke his leg is that chassis and then they repaired it until it split in two
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Happy birthday Michael! 🥳🎉
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Wtf happened there
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Wtf happened there
brakes died and went into barrier
oh wait no nvm thats different thing
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https://preview.redd.it/cq7lwlqhi5f61.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=a8a49...
What kind of child birth shit is this
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this Michael topic makes me wonder, will Ferrari go to a darker red again now th...
PMI?
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What kind of child birth shit is this
A crash that could’ve resulted in a death
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Nah that’s a birth
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Marlboro, Mission Winnow...
Ohhhhh
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Trojan Racing
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Haha nice!
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Surtees!
buoyant silo
condom car
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The Turbine Lotus
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😳
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dayum
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ew
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🙏
1994 had the best looking cars but the entire season just got infiltrated by the Grim Reaper trying to get some souls
austere pond
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that should've happened :(
ikr... rest in peace ayrton
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Mansell dominated 92
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Anyone recognise the name Depailler?
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Anyone recognise the name Depailler?
Patrick Depailler?
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He has a French last name lol
French sounding name. Could still Switzerland, Canada, Belgium…
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died in 80
He died while testing at the old Hockenheimring with Alfa Romeo
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He is underrated driver
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French sounding name. Could still Switzerland, Canada, Belgium…
He is from France.
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Yeah yeah just saying
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Yeah
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never heard of him
karmic trellis
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Mansell dominated 92
his car dominated 92
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🥺
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French sounding name. Could still Switzerland, Canada, Belgium…
Québec people have huge french sounding names lol, even more than we do imo
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his car dominated 92
and he dominated his teammate
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Québec people have huge french sounding names lol, even more than we do imo
Yeah exactly. My name doesn’t sound that french tbh more Italian
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yeah neither does mine
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Québec people have huge french sounding names lol, even more than we do imo
Gilles Villeneuve, Claude Bourbonnais, Patrick Carpentier. Just to name a few French Canadian drivers
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Gilles Villeneuve, Claude Bourbonnais, Patrick Carpentier. Just to name a few Fr...
Lance Stroll, Nicholas Latifi, but these don't really work for some reason
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Lance Stroll, Nicholas Latifi, but these don't really work for some reason
Well they aren’t French Canadians, so…
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pardon?
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Nicholas Latifi was born in Montreal but doesn’t have a French last name
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also he doesn't speak french, supposedly
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He’s just Canadian
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he's from Québec
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Doesn’t mean he’s French
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but he's from the minority that doesn't speak french#
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well no.. Canadians and Québécois aren't french
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Exactly.
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he says he can't, so he probably can't
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Stroll on the other hand, can.
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Stroll is definitely french canadian
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his jmum
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Lando and Max are also half Belgian. Funny how Max was born 1997, Stroll 1998, and Lando 1999.
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Speaking of Max, he’s gonna turn 25 this year
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September 30th
Max is the first Dutch F1 champion
Which is pretty cool
@oblique dock Model??
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The 1991 Coloni C4?
Andrea Sassetti acquired some old Colonis when Andrea Moda entered F1
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The Coloni C3B
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Oh. Trussardi (chassis name)
I thought Trussardi was a sponsor for some company, not the team itself
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No wonder why I guessed the B186 in the first place
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Yeah haha
It was with a megatron engine
But there registration was denied or something
Lamborghini
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291
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Emerson Fittipaldi driving the Lotus 72D for a pre-season test at an unknown track in Spain
The only reason he wore a white helmet is "he wanted to cause a stir for a potential new driver"
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lmao
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while in fact it did the opposite
The media believed it was Stewart piloting the machine
They thought he'd be part of JPS Lotus for the 72 season
but nope
Just Fittipaldi
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lmao
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The 70s Alpine that never raced
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The 70s Alpine that never raced
Alpine Renault A500
Before the A500 was tested in 1976, Jean-Pierre Jabouille did several tests with the A441 prototype (fitted with the Turbo engine) in November 1975 at Paul-Ricard.
Later the A500 would make it’s first “secret” test at Michelin’s test track Ladoux. The first “public” test with the A500 was in June 1976. Later in the season the A500 now in a yellow livery would be tested at Nogaro.
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Just Fittipaldi
The ol switcharoo
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Best black livery?
Does jps count?
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It has to be just black
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enzo ferrari's master🅱️ lan
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Making sure everyone who made this car happen would leave the team?
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Making sure everyone who made this car happen would leave the team?
lol
he buried the car too as far as I remember
see any commonalities there?
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No
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79? The ground effects car with the dfv?
Oh I see it is a dfv cause 4 spark plugs are there but which one is it?
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In this case none, it's lazy and they suck
Lol
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Oh I see it is a dfv cause 4 spark plugs are there but which one is it?
That's a McLaren M26 and a Lotus 78, both 1977 models
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That's a McLaren M26 and a Lotus 78, both 1977 models
ahh thanks a lot
mclaren's were using chevy v8's during that time right?
Oh maybe that was can am nvm
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Everyone and their mom used the Cosworth DFV in F1 (ok not really, Ferrari and Renault made their own thing, and Alfa Romeo for Brabham)
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Villeneuve's family after the 1978 Canadian GP
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Yeah Newey tends to make pretty cars
It stood out a lot in the 1988 field where most cars are chonky
Also it was darn efficient for an NA model of a small team
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Yeah Newey tends to make pretty cars
Newey also worked in Indycar with March
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Yes i know, I've read the book :)
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Making sure everyone who made this car happen would leave the team?
Is that the blue ferrari?
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Look at the front air intakes of both
Far fetch mate
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Is that the blue ferrari?
no that would've been in 1964, this one is 61. though they had a yellow one for Belgium's Gendebien
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ive just found the motorsport mag archive. new articles and images from 1920s till now
pinch me
just look at this
oh man
vill v arnoux dijon 1979
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just look at this
Oh wow that rari looks incredible
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Far fetch mate
Not rly frank Stephenson the designer himself said that while designing the f430 front air dam, the sharknose 'rrari was his inspiration
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before 2001
it is a beautiful car though
often forgotten amidst the F2002 and F2004
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I’m not sure I can rank either of them lol
they’re both beautiful Ferraris
actually, what do you think is the most iconic f1 car to someone who’s never watched an f1 race
I’m told the F2002 is pretty popular in that category
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actually, what do you think is the most iconic f1 car to someone who’s never wat...
A lot of people, including me would probably say the Mclaren MP4/4
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interesting, I’ve interestingly never heard “MP4/4” as a response from a non-f1 person
well, I guess we can solve this by searching up “f1 cars” on google and see which one comes up 
first 3 results for me:
2022 concept
RB16B
2010 McLaren?
that was unexpected, 2010 McLaren
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By any means, the 2010 Red Bull should be more popular. That, the 2011, and 2013 Red Bull
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interesting, I’ve interestingly never heard “MP4/4” as a response from a non-f1 ...
I misinterpreted the question as “what do you think is the most iconic f1 car if you told a person who’s never watched an f1 race”
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I’d say Ferrari F2002 or 2004 would be up there
those are universally known emblems of speed I think
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I think the most iconic f1 car would be a ferrari betwin 2000-2004 or a lotus from the 60s to ealry 70s
Im not 100% sure
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most iconic F1 car has to be the 2004 Ferrari
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actually, what do you think is the most iconic f1 car to someone who’s never wat...
Jordan 191, FW14B, MP4/4, F2004, Lotus 43
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191 is surprisingly popular yeah
for such a “niche” car to get popular, it makes me happy
another one I’ve seen from local questions is the B194/195
I think that’s just because everyone’s seen it here, being Schumacher’s first title winning car
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another one I’ve seen from local questions is the B194/195
Definitely iconic
Ferrari 641
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641, yeah
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What about the 412T2? Any person who has never seen an F1 race would probably associate this car heavily with V12’s in F1
dull cape
In the future I think the W11 will be a very iconic car
late crag
The MP4/12 is kinda iconic
agile surge
hm… I think any 90s Ferrari is iconic to most people
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The silver
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hm… I think any 90s Ferrari is iconic to most people
True
agile surge
of course the 00-04 Ferraris are just undisputed too
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In the future I think the W11 will be a very iconic car
I don’t actually see the current cars becoming iconic to non-f1 fans
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or, as iconic as say the F2002
dull cape
I don’t actually see the current cars becoming iconic to non-f1 fans
Though that car is technically the fastest F1 car I think, right
agile surge
yes, which is why I said “non-f1 fans”
f1 fans will always remember it as the fastest f1 car ever
dull cape
Oh I read that so wrong
agile surge
The gulf MCL...?
I guess, but that’s a one-off livery
dull cape
Ehh not too iconic
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actually, what do you think is the most iconic f1 car to someone who’s never wat...
Depends on the person, could be anything from schumi’s cars to hamiltons, depends on how old they are and where they are from
edgy fossil
The Life L190, just tell people that it is a Ferrari
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What about the 412T2? Any person who has never seen an F1 race would probably as...
that's assuming people who have never watched F1 know what a V12 really mean
i'm sure lots of people who weren't really interested in the sports didn't know when engines had 10 pistons, or 8
it's just a F1 car, it makes the sound of it
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What about the 412T2? Any person who has never seen an F1 race would probably as...
Ah yes the 1995 Ferrari 412 T2. The last Formula 1 cad powered by a V12 engine, and the most powerful V12.
Music to my ears
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nsfw
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412 T2 king of V12’s
I would say that the FW14B is the king of the V10’s
But it’s so hard to say. So many great v10’s out there especially with the Ferrari’s
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no i think the 3L engines sound better than the 3.5L
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no i think the 3L engines sound better than the 3.5L
Personal preference pretty much it comes down too
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oh yes definitely
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Jesus wow
That’s crazy loud and SO AWESOME
Skip to 0:25
Okay okay I’m done now haha 😆
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Ah yes the 1995 Ferrari 412 T2. The last Formula 1 cad powered by a V12 engine, ...
No it's not, what?
The 412T1 would've had more power by default considering it had half a Litre
Boi was in the 800 range
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I forgot that site about engine specs
But yes, the t1 would've had more power, of course
marsh mango
https://youtu.be/ZOJkl4Agf4c
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Yes that one thanks 😁
deft prawn
In 1975, Ferrari came with this thing
They literally were like
If it works on plane
it works on car right
meager pewter
What be they?
deft prawn
I think on the aircraft they were actually fuel tanks
So
its weird as fuck that Ferrari put them on a car
meager pewter
Bruh
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Well its a test mule (12T), it's worth seeing if there's any gain ig?
deft prawn
Yeah if its testing then I think Ferrari was like, 'planes have this, we dont have much clue how aero works yet, so lets try this thing planes have'
and then found out it literally didnt work
potent tendon
So it was just brought in just randomly ?
deft prawn
just a random thing they tried in testing
Still funny tho
"works on plane, so might work on car" while its a fuel tank on the planes lol
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I'm surprised they didn't have fiat engineers who worked on planes
deft prawn
Heres the same thing on a bigger plane btw
was quite common on propeller planes
deft prawn
Lockheed Super Constellation
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Nice name
deft prawn
Constellation was used during WW2 as a transport plane iirc
post war they renovated the model to the Super Constellation to serve passengers
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No it's not, what?
Ferrari's Tipo 043 V12 was putting out around 850 hp @ 15,800 rpm, which is to date the most-powerful naturally-aspirated V12 engine ever used in Formula One.
meager pewter
And the 043 was what year chief
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And the 043 was what year chief
People usually get it confused for being the 041.
043 has a wider V-angle and shorter stroke compared to the 041.
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Yes the litre restriction from 3.5L to 3.0L limited it to 60 horsepower less
Ferrari 312T4A
frank pebble
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T4 with the turbo engine?
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T4 with the turbo engine?
Flat 12 Cylinder
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oh yes T4 is the 1979 model
brisk quiver
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smh
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Man ik smoking isnt good but those tobacco sponsor car always bang
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Eddie Irvine
meager pewter
When you have alot of alot of money and your product isn't well looked at, you better believe you'd spend most of the useable revenue on advertising to make it as appealing as possible
Hence.
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When you have alot of alot of money and your product isn't well looked at, you b...
When you have alot of alot of money
This guy is one lucky son of a bitch
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coffin crash
meager pewter
When you have alot of alot of money
Yeah some peeps have tons and their advertising language sucks
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When you have alot of alot of money and your product isn't well looked at, you b...
Whats this about
meager pewter
Ciggies bruv
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Got itt
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https://live.staticflickr.com/500/31967920390_aebdfd0155_b.jpg
Relevance of this then???
meager pewter
So you smoke huh? Name every tobacco product ever
meager pewter
Have an underrated scheme
Which... Well I can't find a good image that isn't watermarked
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leaf
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in assetto one of the 98t liveries is that but brokmans
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frontn't wingn't
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get the 84 alfa
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Here’s the ‘83 Alfa
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Ugh that looks hurrendous in comparison
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i like dat
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I think the 183T looks beautiful
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beneton
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85
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Toleman be like
You sign with Lotus without telling?
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Toleman be like
In 1985, we were sponsored by Benetton. In 1986, we ARE Benetton.
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benetton be like
in 2001 i will die
oh yea talking about toleman, asr made the 84 car a mod in ac
problem is that i dont have money
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Benettoleman
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Johnny Cecotto
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Tyrrell
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGz_iVIW8AE8PKD.jpg
what car is that
meager pewter
The 1982 MP4/1B
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thanks
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Cause Aerodynamics
front radiators 💀
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front radiators 💀
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front wing radiators*
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Yardley McLaren M23
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high front wing
split pagoda
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indigo sail
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Were you not aware that Rothmans are a Tobacco brand?
I was not
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Wiggle
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https://tenor.com/view/vintage-f1-ferrari-slide-drift-gif-4843043
smol wheels
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Do it
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The Matra MS81
Powered by Matra MS81 3.0 V12
The V12 engine, designated the MS81 and newly developed by Georges Martin, initially generated an average of 510 bhp at 12,500 rpm.
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It has been 40 years since Matra won their last race as an engine supplier at the 1981 Candian Grand Prix
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Won by Jacques Laffite
Coincidentally, Laffite’s win at Canada was the last during that season and of his career
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That Matra went on to make 535 at 13.2
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The stallion driven by Bandini
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…at the track where his life had been tragically cut short.
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Clipping your teammate and backflipping acroos the line
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Clipping your teammate and backflipping acroos the line
lol
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Clipping your teammate and backflipping acroos the line
😂
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https://youtu.be/inpyXFsKLSo
isnt the 670 a prototype class car for endurance racing tho?
and that...is how you do a turbocharged engine
1500 hp from a basic old m10 block found in your 1968 bmw 2002
meager pewter
It wasn't 1,500 chill out
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isnt the 670 a prototype class car for endurance racing tho?
yes that is a sports car
meager pewter
Especially in 1982
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the BMW M12/13 was also very known for its reliability
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It got to a rumoured 1,400 but the dyno doesn't exceed 1,280, and the uh... More personal quote is more like 1,100 in 86
In 82 the max would've been 840 range
Wait hold up that image isn't even of the BT50 BMW it has two exhausts
That's a BT49 with a DFV
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what allowed them to reach that much more power in 85/86, not just the turbo boost pressure being higher?
meager pewter
Oh wait that could be one exhaust with the rear wing pylon blocking
It was fuel mixture having less octane variance
Increase in computer useage for fuel delivery
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oh ye electronic injection
meager pewter
And like... How much can we push the batty boi before it blows
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and in 86 Renault introduced the pneumatic valves
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But I doubt BMW would have those
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no i don't think so
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Also I believe anti-lag was pioneered through F1's turbo era
I could be wrong as Indy had Turbos from the 60's bit
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not sure they really needed that, i would expect it coming from rallye actually
Renault’s engine also began with too-high a B/S ratio of 2.01 as a result of simply de-stroking their CH2 V6 2L Formula 2 engine. It had to be redesigned to 1.62 in 1985.
excuse me what, it took them 7 years to redesign their bore/stroke ratio?
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isnt the 670 a prototype class car for endurance racing tho?
Idk I was talking about the engine…
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It wasn't 1,500 chill out
ahh ok
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Congrats @night parcel, you're now on lap 15
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it was very cool tho
1.5 litres
950 hp/l
apparently they used m10 4 cyl engine blocks from old bmw 2002's and base model e30's but that might have been a rumour
cause that engine was pretty stout
they added twin cam heads tho
very prone to detoation, that engine was
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> Renault’s engine also began with too-high a B/S ratio of 2.01 as a result of s...
i mean to do that with such tight tolerances
you have to redesign your crank and block
your cylinder liners
your head
but still ig 7 years are pretty fucking long
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They used those blocks and reportedly peed on em because they theorised that if they'd been weak they'd have failed by now
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They used those blocks and reportedly peed on em because they theorised that if ...
yeah lol that
old 10 yr old blocks🤣
but it worked
for about 10 mins
and then blew up
in spectacular fashion
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But then you'd have the laptime
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But then you'd have the laptime
yes lol
didnt they use some dirty ass fuel
that sprayed drivers with black soot
the word "race fuel" was loosely misinterpreted
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McLaren loved Toluene
yeah that lol
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Which is good stuff
cancer is always good
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Nah Toluene's cash
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Nah Toluene's cash
lol
did any 80's turbo car have direct injection?
or well all manifold indirect style injection?
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Not that I know of
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Not that I know of
oh ok
weird considering older f1 cars did have em
about 35 years before the 80's infact
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I thought Direct Injection was banned before it became a thing
Other than the Nazi mobiles possibly
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Other than the Nazi mobiles possibly
yes
mercs and auto union cars had em
very cool
and desmo valves too
some 50's merc f1 car made 600 hp
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50's?
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Try 30's chief
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Try 30's chief
yeah that that
I forgor💀
ahh found it @meager pewter
this mf
720 hp
that's a lotta power now
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The Auto Union Typ.C made 520
The i8 W125 made 560-580
But the DAB V12 W125's made well...
That 700 figure
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almost a century later
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That 700 figure
allegedly
how tf didnt the dynos break
wouldnt 30's dynos be rated for like 300 hp
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... Coz they probably had Aero dynos or calculated it bases on drag data
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which was what dusenberg's had
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... Coz they probably had Aero dynos or calculated it bases on drag data
maybe
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Remember the DB60× series V12's were making well above 1,000
The 603S or 603N to power the T.80 was touted at 3,000 or abov3
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Remember the DB60× series V12's were making well above 1,000
hmm idk bout that
alright m8 gtg study now
gn
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the electronic injection they had in the 80s wasn't direct?
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The Mercedes-Benz W196 was direct injection
Was the Bosch Motronic System direct?
If so then yes
meager pewter
I always thought that direct injection was banned before it made a return in the modern era
These don't look too direct to me
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I thought as well that it was banned before 2014
and I remember before that each individual trumpet had its own injector
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These don't look too direct to me
Is that from the Mercedes-Benz W196?
It used the Bosch direct injection
“The 1954 Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula 1 racing car engine used Bosch direct injection derived from wartime aircraft engines.”
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http://www.gurneyflap.com/Resources/DSC03773.jpg
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If only they had like 3 different injectors
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At the end of the season Renault introduced the revised EF15C which in addition to the D.P. valve gear also boasted common rail fuel injection and much-revised water cooling through the cylinder head reducing the likelihood of pre-ignition (detonation).
common rail injection, this is indirect?
that's from the Lotus 98T wikipedia page (1986)
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> At the end of the season Renault introduced the revised EF15C which in additio...
It’s direct
So? They had electronic fuel injection
(Renault RE30B)
Renault was the first team to use fuel injection in formula one to reduce the temperature of the intake mixture.
Renault was therefore the first manufacturer to have adopted water injection to preserve turbo-compressed engines from detonation (which was destructive for the engines).
Electronic ignition was added in 1982 and water injection in 1983 – the later was a method of cooling ‘hot-spots’ in the combustion chamber to prevent premature detonation.
Also the pneumatic valve system was introduced in Formula One in 1986 with the Renault EF-Type.
https://www.mclaren.com/racing/car/history-of-the-f1-engine/ @meager pewter I suggest you reading this, a lot of useful information in here, definitely worth reading
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Ayrton testing the monster BMW powered Brabham
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Ayrton testing the monster BMW powered Brabham
woah where did you get this photo?
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woah where did you get this photo?
Found it on a website called Grand Prix 247. Here's the link to the article https://www.grandprix247.com/2019/03/03/flashback-when-senna-tested-for-brabham/
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analog jasper
gilles, prost, didier?, idk
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ye not sure who's the last one
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ye not sure who's the last one
Teo Fabi
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alright
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Chief THAT'S RON DENNIS
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ye i figured this face was familiar
we're just so used to see him without hair lol
but legend has it, he wasn't born bald
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“The 1954 Mercedes-Benz W196 Formula 1 racing car engine used Bosch direct injec...
Oh yeah all the Nazi radial engines were direct injected
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Was the Bosch Motronic System direct?
Nope. Bosch motronic was indirect, with one injector per cylinder. Pretty common in late 80's-90's bmws. In the m88, they look sexy
The indirect injection feeds directly into the individual throttle body intake trumpets
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Electronic ignition was added in 1982 and water injection in 1983 – the later wa...
So...before 82, were all the pumps for the fuel injection mechanical?
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ig, Renault tried electronic injection at the tail end of 1981, can't find any notes about it for the whole of the 1980 or 1981 seasons
the Bosch one was for BMW initially
Renault had one for the 1982 Monaco GP, probably not by Bosch
yeah they struggled a lot with it in the season, i suppose it was made in house and that was the problem
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the Bosch one was for BMW initially
isnt motronic for road cars?
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i said Bosch, i didn't say Motronic
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i said Bosch, i didn't say Motronic
oh ok ok
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ye i figured this face was familiar
we're all used to it
meager pewter
Does he?
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being an f1 driver for a top team in the 80s sounds fun
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why?
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gilles, prost, didier?, idk
Gillies, Prost, didier, Ron Dennis
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looks like an attempt and a half
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Looks really nice
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👍🏼
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the boys
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better than what we have now
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how the hell did they fit a camera on his helmet
its def not inside it or else analog signal issues
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its def not inside it or else analog signal issues
There’s a little camera attached to his helmet on the side
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https://nextluxury.com/wp-content/uploads/motorcyclist-in-protective-equipment.j...
Yup exactly
Alonso’s camera was built directly inside the helmet
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run a video cable with the radio cable
to the helmet
And broadcast with the existing antennae
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1991 British Grand Prix