classic-motorsport

[round swift]

I'm saying the MP4/8 isn't as appealing to me as the MP4/7A, am being sarky knobead

Ok, that's clearer now thz

[frigid phoenix]

sexy

[round swift]

Have some supreme wideboy spray

Benefit of 1989-1992 regs

sparking everywhere in dry
spraying everywhere in wet

[round swift]

Hot

[woven zinc]

the 1994-1995 Footwork Arrows liveries 😳

[round swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f015MaNaA9M

[round swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnnkSNSlVjM damn this track was such in poor condition

[paper fossil]

looks as bad as my experience on the video game

[deft prawn]

Still is to this day

Such a shame Oscar Galvez never modernized, it definitely needs it if it wants to host anything bigger then what it does rn which is just some touring cars I think

Taking this track to grade 1 spec would be a nightmare to do

Since it lacks runoff space at a lot of places, especially if you want to bring back the lake turn which would be extremely unsafe in modern F1 and frankly in other series

A super long right hander after a long straight, with quite limited runoff

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omipDH0L33g

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n96C8_MSCsk

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3Q5bfOGPYQ

THE GREATEST SOUNDING V10 IN THE WORLD

[round swift]

the more i look, the more i like Benetton before Schumacher became champion with them

[oblique dock]

To be fair, 1990, 1992, 1993, and 1986 were good

[round swift]

ye. i like the fact they managed to secure the partnership with Ford in 87, taking it from Haas. And then steadily progressed by making very solid cars

[oblique dock]

Just comes to show how iconic, in a way, the Benetton-Ford partnership was

[round swift]

ye. a bit underrated as they only won one title together, but they were really close

took McLaren and Senna half a season of punching above their weight to get the same engines as Benetton had

in 93

[oblique dock]

Senna did a pretty good job with fewer horsepower than Williams and Benetton

I wonder how Mclaren might have caught on if they used Lamborghini engines.... Well, actually, I think they might not catch on well, considering how unreliable the Lambo V12 was, despite it being more powerful.

[round swift]

i'm not sure the V12 was the way to go then.

i think inciting Honda (or forcing them even?) to switch from a V10 to a V12 was a waste of resources

[oblique dock]

Well, to be fair, the V12 was heavier and less powerful than the V10, from what I know

But hey, at least the RA121E secured a championship win.

[round swift]

the V12 was a good alternative to the V8 in the 1960s and 70s when we didn't have the tech to make V10 reliable

but by the late 80s we did

and the V10 is the better option of the 2

it did secure a championship win true

but Ayrton was already annoyed they missed time by not having a semi automatic gearbox already

[oblique dock]

Then the MP4/7 came along and couldn't re emulate the success that the MP4/6 and MP4/5 had thanks to Williams having active suspension and Renault power on their side.

[round swift]

ye Williams by then had better aero, and much superior electronics

wonder how good McLaren might have been in 93 if Honda had stayed for a bit more

cause at the time they had caught up

[oblique dock]

Or if Hakkinen was given the seat instead of Andretti (Even though this could result in a potential rivalry between Senna and Hakkinen since Senna didn't want Hakkinen to be faster than him)

[round swift]

hmm ye

[oblique dock]

If Honda stayed for 93.... Maybe they would probably go back to V10's or maybe develop a new V8... but V8's wouldn't seem likely.

[round swift]

nah they wouldn't have changed architecture one more time

the V12 wasn't outdated, Ferrari still did a few things with that

but it was as good as the V8 imo

with the V10 being better

[oblique dock]

I just don't think Mclaren using Honda V12's in 93 would be appropriate for some reason.

[round swift]

ye it's a bit odd. but it makes more sense than going back to the V10 again

[oblique dock]

I guess it seems about right.....

[round swift]

https://twitter.com/FormulaOneWorld/status/1362524685653655558

Formula One World (@FormulaOneWorld)

1970 Ferrari 312B

Twitter · Feb 18, 2021, 10:09 PM

[round swift]

Honda's V12 actually developed from 1991-1992

Ferrari's were all derived from the 640 until they changed angles in 1994

[oblique dock]

Wait, really?

[round swift]

Yeah, the 1992 engine didn't quite work ignore the 220 engines they ran through due to blow-by and other general suck

Which I assume is when they tried to revise it

But this didn't happen until the 75° Tipo.043 as opposed to the 65° 041 and prior

[oblique dock]

Is that the 1992 Jordan?

[obsidian moth]

yes

[oblique dock]

Eh, kinda liked the Sasol livery better

[round swift]

Ayo how long had they wheeled that thing out on a dirt road?

The tyres are clapped

[oblique dock]

Larrouse LH94

[frigid phoenix]

❤️ that paint

[woven zinc]

their actual race livery

I'd sip that if that were a drink

[woven zinc]

Shannon

[frigid phoenix]

tourtel is a beverage

[round swift]

Drink the fuel LMAO

[frigid phoenix]

i saw that

[oblique dock]

More specifically, Alcohol.

I wonder how the Repsol Arrows would look if T-Minus was never a sponsor...

[frigid phoenix]

don't drink the repsol

[oblique dock]

Save the Repsol for your Honda motorbike.

[woven zinc]

oh is it? didn't know that

[round swift]

There were 2

[woven zinc]

that I know, though they used the green one for most of the season

[round swift]

Ah

[frigid phoenix]

i love 'split livery' cars

[molten salmon]

same

[woven zinc]

yeah the Kronenbourg Larrousse was really unique in this regard

[graceful crystal]

ironically the kronenbourg livery was one of the first ones i saw and love it still

[round swift]

Lemme get that 1994 Ford engine for the... What revs it get up to?

730bhp @ 13.something?

[round swift]

Cracks me up to know that one day, a french f1 car used Kronenbourg as a title sponsor. It's a very cheap brand of beer, moreso than Heineken.

[round swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O35oUkcLjuY
featuring George Harrison, Barry Sheene

[oblique dock]

The Tyrrell 015 always seemed to me as interesting for some reason...

[oblique dock]

This is the Andrea Moda S921, I kid you not in the 1994 Rothmans Williams livery

[obsidian moth]

someone has trouble with stickering

[oblique dock]

Also, that Senna helmet tho

The owner of the "Williams" also has a Eurobrun in the Mclaren Honda colors

[woven zinc]

is that real

is that real

[oblique dock]

Yes

Look it up

I was shocked the first time I saw it

[woven zinc]

this is just so evil on so many levels like bruh

also this just hits... differently, knowing that Perry McCarthy had his steering column flex in that car at Spa

and that was the race where Andrea Moda got kicked out of F1 for that and team owner Sassetti getting arrested

[oblique dock]

I guess this is one of the most cursed things to ever exist in the world of motorsports

[woven zinc]

this is the equivalent of coloring the 1978 Lotus in the 1982 Ferrari livery

[oblique dock]

Wait what???

[woven zinc]

that hasn't actually happened, just a hypothetical example

[oblique dock]

Oh thank heavens

[woven zinc]

why did the owner even color the Andrea Moda in the Senna Williams livery?

guessing it's some sort of tribute that just so happened to be on the car of the worst team ever

[oblique dock]

Whatever floats his boat, I guess....

It just seems so disorientating seeing A Eurobrun and an Andrea Moda in Mclaren and Williams colors

[woven zinc]

in any case, this is just rather fucked up knowing the context of both cars...

at least the McLaren Eurobrun is just weird

might as well color a Coloni in the Ferrari livery

how's that for irony

[oblique dock]

You think that's bad? Here's the 1993 Dallara in the Ferrari F93A's colors

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXvAG7z7iAs

[woven zinc]

even more irony since the Ferrari livery that year looked more like the Dallaras than the 70s Ferraris that it tried to emulate, and the Dallara team themselves had just moved away from that livery...

bruh the white part on it is just way too big

[oblique dock]

The owner must have thought, 'This may not be an actual Ferrari, but at least its powered by Ferrari, right?'

The 1993 Dallara was a disaster, all while being accompanied by the slump Ferrari faced in the early 1990's.

[woven zinc]

yep

[oblique dock]

Man, reskinning shitty cars is like covering a turd in gold paint

[wide falcon]

That rich guy with the williams andrea moda gets zero pussy garaunteed, erasing all the history of the f1 cars he buys just to play senna with them like a kid in a superhero costume

[oblique dock]

Might as well leave the S291 to rust instead of repainting it.

[wide falcon]

Imagine being able to buy f1 cars but still putting fake colorschemes on them lol

[oblique dock]

It's like buying a custom made watch only to personally customize it afterwards

[wide falcon]

It’s like buying a watch and then repainting it to look like a more expensive watch

[oblique dock]

Actually, it may be more like this tbh

(a Ferrari F430 made to look like a Ferrari Enzo)

[wide falcon]

Why the fuck

What is the logic behind that

You already have a ferrari my guy, you don’t need to do that lmao

[oblique dock]

CURSED F310

[wide falcon]

W H Y

The f310 is like one of the best ferrari liveries, this is so dumb

[oblique dock]

I think it is worse than that repainted 1993 Dallara

[oblique dock]

Imagine if some guy buys the 1997 Mastercard Lola and repaints it to make it look like the F310B

[wide falcon]

How would this even come about, is that ferrari a prop car for sponsors?

They wouldn’t use that old a car for that though

[oblique dock]

👍

[round swift]

they would

[woven zinc]

where do you find this shit I stg

and I thought that Renault showcar that used the B200's nose was cursed...

[oblique dock]

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/214635-the-trend-of-teams-updating-older-cars-liveries-to-the-current-one/

[woven zinc]

oh

ic

ngl the 2009 F60 looks great in the 2016 livery

[oblique dock]

Wait, it did?

[woven zinc]

yes

lemme find it

[oblique dock]

oh...

Is it wrong that I like it just a tiny bit?

[woven zinc]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[round swift]

can't discuss taste

[oblique dock]

Not an F1 car, but a Lola Indycar

Its horrendous.

[deft prawn]

That's cursed

But unironically I also like it

[oblique dock]

Not as cursed as a Mercedes Liveried Honda

[round swift]

(which is outside of the scope of this channel, but it'll pass since it's the topic!)

[round swift]

That's... Is that not a March?

[oblique dock]

A Lola 8900 from what the original description said

[round swift]

Oh mevermind

I didn't think Lola made CART chassis in the mid 80's

[smoky furnace]

I quite like it actually

[round swift]

Thiccums

nsfw

[hollow mason]

this is shit u wont even see on onlyfans

[round swift]

I'd love to see a new take on an early 80's style car

Like ground effect type but... Not... Physical skirts

I love wedge aesthetics

[round swift]

Is that real or the front wing broke?

[round swift]

Ground Effect cars didn't always use front wings because they didn't need them

Ah ok

hmmm.... MP4/B....

or orig MP4?

MP4/1B 1982

ye ok, wasn't sure but obv since it has no front wing it's gotta be the 1982 /B

[warm dagger]

My fave car has to be the 2010 RB

[round swift]

I love the reflections

[radiant pendant]

Love the rear wing on the RE20B.

[round swift]

ive never really liked the RE30 of 1981

RE20 was gracious and the RE30 was rather angular

[oblique dock]

The RE40 was BEAUTIFUL

<img src="https://myautoworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Renault-RE40-and-Alain-Prost-1983-4.jpg" alt="Image result for re40"/>

[round swift]

oh ye

last good Renault

i saw the 30B of 1982 in Paris

nah nah nah

the hottest by far is the re60 from 195

https://live.staticflickr.com/4405/37186508046_5bfe3b6d74_b.jpg

https://cdn-3.latimages.com/images/mgl/xqBNRv/s4_1/1017640335-LAT-19850421-85POR58.jpg

it's too 80s for me

oh that's not a negative for me that explains alot

as far as the slanted livery goes, i prefer the Williams of the same year

[oblique dock]

This is the RE50.

[round swift]

and obviously the uhh 8 point lcd numbers

it's the same shape but it's kinda cringe

i love the calculator numbers

it only lacks a huge TURBO written somewhere in red

red + "turbo" = fast

then again i like those types of lcd displays on stuff like CART had in the 1990's

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/44/03/01/4403010938fbcf21b4406221328c6d10.jpg

it just followd the shape of the car vbery wekk

[oblique dock]

The livery doesn't do it for me.

[round swift]

i can spell

sadly it was the last year before they pulled the plug

it's not the hottest renault powered car of the time, but the hottest factory renault

real shame they never won a title with the turbo engine

when they brought the technology to the sports

[oblique dock]

RE40 still does it for me

[round swift]

https://external-preview.redd.it/iZKrLfZhXl4ZayfXWQGX58r8OTwMAbiaPat_FKvg7QM.jpg?auto=webp&s=554316eb1bcbb847ae98ce8946dc45667ae20d33

this being the goated one for me

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8d/9a/bd/8d9abd52f94216b79e1c61dd9fc5064e.jpg

the 86 Ligier is goat

the 84.. idk

it's 1984...

ye i know

[wide falcon]

Man that chassis looks wierd af

[round swift]

which one/

it was bad

i prefer this. and it was much more successful

... bruh, the proportions

just... suck

[oblique dock]

The 1985 Ligier looks worse

[round swift]

ye that kind of bulge on the airbox isn't good looking

[oblique dock]

Kinda reminds me of blue playdough

[round swift]

86 was slicker

It just kinda... Looks plain

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8Cjwa8U4dKU/UbUUOSWUWCI/AAAAAAAAJRk/_V_ZUmBW5iw/s1600/1987test_ghinzani.jpg

1987 works

[oblique dock]

1988 can't get any lower (In terms of the engine cover)

[round swift]

they still had loto in 87?

til

https://images-wixmp-ed30a86b8c4ca887773594c2.wixmp.com/f/4af76ae2-7f5c-4a42-8afa-5caf322adeee/d6ct5sc-308cea71-2a5e-4c59-a3d0-32dc75f39ee8.jpg/v1/fill/w_1024,h_687,q_75,strp/piercarlo_ghinzani__belgium_1987__by_f1_history_d6ct5sc-fullview.jpg?token=eyJ0eXAiOiJKV1QiLCJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiJ9.eyJzdWIiOiJ1cm46YXBwOiIsImlzcyI6InVybjphcHA6Iiwib2JqIjpbW3siaGVpZ2h0IjoiPD02ODciLCJwYXRoIjoiXC9mXC80YWY3NmFlMi03ZjVjLTRhNDItOGFmYS01Y2FmMzIyYWRlZWVcL2Q2Y3Q1c2MtMzA4Y2VhNzEtMmE1ZS00YzU5LWEzZDAtMzJkYzc1ZjM5ZWU4LmpwZyIsIndpZHRoIjoiPD0xMDI0In1dXSwiYXVkIjpbInVybjpzZXJ2aWNlOmltYWdlLm9wZXJhdGlvbnMiXX0.s-4RQevzgSpsZuGapcT4dmK4W33I1eGhcRnqQV7ljdM

shame they had lost their engine supplier in 87. and it just went downhill until... 93 maybe

ligier had loto until 1991 when they switched to gitanes

which was a sort of swan song for them

well 1992-1993 was good coz it was the renault b-team

ye

and then further with benetton

https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod.s3.amazonaws.com/images/gettyimages-659224179-1521638955.jpg

then you had... this

this chaos

92 wasn't very good, but still they scored points

where ligier decided to make the engine and fuel tank the other way around in 1988

[oblique dock]

What

[round swift]

yeah that 1988 car has the fuel cell behind the engine

which best believe... for a formula car, doesn't go well

they had two fuel tanks

[oblique dock]

oh...

[round swift]

one behind the driver, and one between the engine and gearbox

the weight distribution, my gamer

oh nonono

they tried a system that was good on paper but too complicated to use

it's like the walrus nose but actually actuslly sucks

ye the walrus nose wasn't that innovative so that it had this potential to either do good stuff, or (in our case) fail miserably

well it wasn't... it wasn't awful, the walrus nose was hot but just kinda didn't do anything particularly better or worse

[north sand]

Congrats @round swift, you're now on lap 20

[round swift]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/formula-1/2017/02/23/williams-fw26-2004-ap-photo-ramon-espinosa_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwWATPC8QN12jNKuFLI435FI.jpg

it's so hot tho

[rugged silo]

I do sorta miss some of the more radical possibilities that were possible in the past

[round swift]

same

[rugged silo]

No one can rock up with a fundamentally different car infrastructure and change the whole game anymore

[round swift]

no the walrus nose was clearly not awful, it was just not as good as they thought

and they lost half a season on this

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ba/d3/02/bad302ca7911c01c4cc6002b273d27fa.jpg

both variants of the fw26 are just gorgeous

the b wins out funnily enough for me because of the sidepods

what about them

the fw26a was the last to have the square sidepods

https://www.ultimatecarpage.com/images/car/1855/Williams-FW26-BMW-13568.jpg

why am i not surprised lol

https://www.autocar.co.uk/sites/autocar.co.uk/files/styles/flexslider_full/public/slideshow_image/f1-ae_0.jpg?itok=DG_A45W4

with the b, they started the tapering in at the base

indeed.

so if they still had the walrus nose with the curvy sidepods, that'd be peak

[paper fossil]

Ligier casually trying to disguise Prost as Comas in some 92 tests

[round swift]

Well he didn't want to be known as entertaining the idea because he didn't know how serious he was

[paper fossil]

sure he quickly realised that

[round swift]

Well yeah, and then bought Ligier pfff

[oblique dock]

The Ferrari 640: Revolutionary, but unreliable.

[round swift]

I don't care who you are

Even ugly cars are made hot by two thing s

Spray or sparks

Throwback to when even front wongs sparked out in F1

[oblique dock]

Well, that can be true

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe4YRBXpxJI

[round swift]

Not saying that these Ferrari's are ugly, just they're brilliant examples of the 2

What did Honda do to make their V12 sound so unique?

[oblique dock]

Well unlike Ferrari's V12, theirs is 60 degrees

Well, that and exhaust positioning I guess...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAr5oGSIJRI

It also sounds like a high revving Lambo V12 from 1990

[round swift]

Well the... The Isuzu V12 didn't sound far off

But that never raced

Which was a real shame

[oblique dock]

The 3512 and the RA121E both sound near identical

[round swift]

The... 3512? As in the LE3512 or Porsche 3512?

[oblique dock]

Oh. the Lamborghini 3512

[round swift]

Ah

[oblique dock]

Forgot about Porsche and their V12

[round swift]

The Porsche actually sounds quite good

From the one soundbite I've found

I honestly think the Honda and Lambo V12's are different

They're both howler V12's

But the Honda is weirdly different

[oblique dock]

By a long shot.

I forgot to specify that the 1990 spec LE3512 sounds similar to the RA121E

Yamaha's V12 though... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guaoUC_jVWE

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/mTCmzQ4mh5c

3:05

That's the Porsche V12

[oblique dock]

I've heard it before and it sounds surprisingly good, even though it somewhat reminds me of the Isuzu V12

[round swift]

Man those Colonis look so slow

Now I forgot what the HKS V12 sounded like

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3s8NSY06SA

[round swift]

Dw i have the vid

Need the isuzu vid or nawh?

[oblique dock]

I already know the vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XN7Co7Rn2w4

BONUS FOOTAGE OF THE MP4/5C INCLUDED!

[round swift]

... Have you got my Playlist?

[oblique dock]

I don't even know what your playlist is

[round swift]

Coz I think the playlist was linked in the Porsche vid coz it's in it 😅

Oh nevermind

Also wow okay the HKS V12 sounds Ferrari

[oblique dock]

The MP4/5C sounds like the Ferrari V12 as well. Actually, imagine if someone made a sound comparison between all of the V12's mentioned here.

[round swift]

That'd be cool

Get just a fast fly by of each one at a good rev range

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gi6mbdyECls

Kinda like here, at 15:23

[round swift]

Honda, Isuzu, HKS, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche and Subaru

[oblique dock]

(even though the Subaru is a flat 12)

The Life L190 just sounds like an ordinary V8

[round swift]

Yeah the Subaru is a Flat-12

But it's not a Boxer-12

https://youtu.be/teFADi-EjYo

Also have this lovely flat-12 noise

[oblique dock]

#pitstop

[round swift]

Totally weird noise

Bruv it's related

[oblique dock]

But it still sounds so unique

It actually sounds kinda scary from a distance....

Never heard an engine so menacing since the Mclaren MP4/15 / MP4/16

[round swift]

It has a very weird mid tone in it

It's like hearing a cross-plane at insane revs in a field of flatties

But a V12 equivalent

Man I wish the 3.5L V8's got to the nutty revs

[oblique dock]

The 92C-V would just sound like Formula 1 machinery

[round swift]

... The... Okay the 92C-V would sound like a CART

But... The 92C-V was never meant to rev that higb

I meant like the F1 3.5L V8's, mainly from Ford of course coz they never went to the VB? 75°V12 in 1993

You're right about those 1990 lambos

[oblique dock]

Never knew Ford developed a V12

[analog jasper]

640 had the semi-automatic right

[oblique dock]

The first to ever have it

[analog jasper]

yea

it tho was like unreliable

[round swift]

Yeah coz it was an automated manual box

Instead of a Sequential box

This is the only image I can find of it at the moment

[oblique dock]

holy mother...

[round swift]

I need to sleep so I'll try to ping tomorrow

[oblique dock]

Ok, Good night.

[round swift]

Initially it was, simply because the battery didn't have enough power to power the hydraulic system for the whole race

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/fBgXSEBQFvY

[smoky furnace]

who is the first team you see?

i don't recognize them

[round swift]

Life

The infamous team with a garbage w12

[smoky furnace]

Ah yes

[analog jasper]

life

[round swift]

W12 coming out in 2021 innit?? 👀👀

[bright umbra]

W12 is an engine type

[round swift]

Why is it I love 1994 cars so much?

I feel like I shouldn't

Last year where the low nose was really the norm. Last year with the 3.5L which has a different noise to the 3L

I think it is mainly the engines and the very uhm...

Idk how to put it

The slightly stretched footage from the season review helps, coz looking at photos they look too skinny

The tyres anyway...

But like c'mon... Over 800hp 3.5L running 16,000?

[round swift]

A bit lower probably but ye, thereabouts

My sauce says 790bhp at 14,300 rpm for the Renault rs6

[woven zinc]

honestly the 1993-1995 F1 cars are my ideal F1 cars too

perfect in proportions, no excessive aero, no bulkiness like the 80s cars

just sleek, clean and fast looking

[round swift]

Your sauce is Wikipedia

780bhp was being hit by 1991 by Honda, and 1993 by Renault

The Ferrari's are said to get 820, Renault 840 or so

Cozzies like... 730? 760?

[oblique dock]

1989-1993 seemed to be the most simplistic in terms of design

[round swift]

My sauce is not Wikipedia. But it might not be accurate when it comes to these specific bits

1989-1992 were peak widebois

Although it might be after the trim to the airboxes after sennas death to slow cars down

[woven zinc]

1989 was good too, though they were only just starting to grow out of the super bulky, no-airbox 80s turbo cars at that point

[oblique dock]

I don't really think the 80's cars were THAT bulky.

Well, if you count the MP4/2

[round swift]

1982 was slender as heckie

[oblique dock]

So beautiful...

[round swift]

Ah here we go...

RS5: 787bhp @ 13,900

What is the sauce for this? I see 770 for thr rs5

Not that it really matters

Grandprixengines co uk, 3rd naturally aspirated era part 1

Same area where it talks about the projected Cosworth V12 that never came to fruition

Aha

1994D Cosworth Zetec-R: 730 @ 13,800

I'd love to hear a 3.5L V8 at 15-16

So little power compared yo the Renault

Thanks for the site

I trust that these figures are too specific to be wrong essentially

[oblique dock]

I wonder what would have happened if Peugeot never entered F1

[round swift]

Well idk... Either McLaren would go to Lamborghini, of which they'd die and might go back to Ford

[oblique dock]

Ford would seem more logical. Besides, Benetton used Ford for the last time in 94

[round swift]

Oh wait

That Zetec-R was good

[oblique dock]

And the Zetec-R won a WDC

[round swift]

I wonder hoe good it'd be in something that wasn't cheating

^

I wonder what was even out there to have instead

Ferrari?

No never for McLaren

[round swift]

Both Marlboro bois with Fezza?

[paper fossil]

lol

[frigid phoenix]

that header is pure sex

i need that for my car

[round swift]

do you have a V12 or Inline 6?

https://s36.wheelsage.org/picture/f/ferrari/412_t1/ferrari_412_t1_3.jpeg

Idk which one I prefer

I prefer the upper, later V12 but... The zhaust manifold decisions

[frigid phoenix]

I have a 15 degree V6 with a common cylinder head

which has all 6 ports on one side of the head

this is what an equal length header looks like for my engine:

[round swift]

huge

[frigid phoenix]

better pic

[round swift]

do you have such an exhaust system?

[frigid phoenix]

I do not. Can't run that legally here, even if I could get one. These are ultra expensive.

[round swift]

yeah i know these are lol

but the sound

[frigid phoenix]

yeah I know. the sound is !!!

[round swift]

You have a Corrado VR6 or something?

[frigid phoenix]

my GF has a 12v corrado, I have a 24v GTI

in fact I'm picking up the corrado today - it's been in storage/service

neither of them are stock 😉

[round swift]

I got that hint from the Header suggestion

[frigid phoenix]

the VR sound is so amazing

[oblique dock]

Yeah, the VR6 is a pretty good sounding engine

[frigid phoenix]

they sound stellar with cams and exhaust and software

[round swift]

why is it illegal though?

[frigid phoenix]

emissions

[round swift]

I wish exhausts were more of a thing for production cars, like... With companies making the stock exhaust not some pressed out thing that doesn't help flow at all

[frigid phoenix]

basically here in california you can't change anything ahead of the most downstream catalyst

[round swift]

ah ok

but it doesn't change the emissions does it

Visible confusion

but it doesn't change emissions does it
You're... Modifying ehxuast?

ye i mean. it's just the law that states you can't change it because of emissions
but in the end that specific kind of mod doesn't change the emissions

[frigid phoenix]

it has to do with placements of O2 sensors, etc

[round swift]

ok

[frigid phoenix]

also, some cars have a pre-cat built into the header/manifold

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/sBvu7lxtzYM mandatory

I just wish there was co-op with exhaust companies to make Headers that flow really well into a Cat

Kinda like the E60 M5 headers

realises what channel this is

oh

oops

[oblique dock]

effspot: The man with the $12,000 exhaust

[round swift]

Uhm... F5000 but they allowed V12's?

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7ku5OFa3U

What about this?

[round swift]

Not quite the Toyota Century with the Zhaust

It's about getting the right resonators to get the high pitches out, or... Single exhaust exits

[round swift]

Sparky womgs

[oblique dock]

Active Suspension Boi

[round swift]

Oh yeah Acfive Suspension was in 1992...

Interestingly enough, Williams have said that McLaren's Active Suspension in 1993 was better than theirs

maybe it was, but the Ford engine was clearly not as strong as the Renault

[oblique dock]

If Mclaren got Benetton's Ford engine, it would probably be fighting the Williamses a bit more frequently

[round swift]

That was probably why the run at Donnington was as just supremely dominant as it was

Interestingly enough, the only Active Suspension solution I've seen where there isn't a spring on it

https://silodrome.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/McLaren-MP48-Formula-1-Car-Front-Suspension.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/O7T4tpSqo0pt94zohHQPrvK6U2o9Zacf6vG4Fvnm1NnaEorNKZ-qZIV6Y9EOCZbKD1i7wD3gfxNjsW-RV7T_GvKLQmrbjzazF0GZCEY7c_Dhjt7Z0o1s8mOzahQs8WkMNyX0fhygCg6nOspFdaa__N8u

Whereas the MP4/8 had one or two, small springs on it, as well as the Actives

[round swift]

https://twitter.com/F1_Images/status/1363954201999642626

F1 Images 🏁 (@F1_Images)

Michael Schumacher and Nelson Piquet, Benetton-Ford, Spanish GP, 1991. #F1

Twitter · Feb 22, 2021, 8:49 PM

[round swift]

I FOUND THE FORD COSWORTH V12

Like the Isuzu, NISMO, and Late Ferrari V12's, boi is 75°

[round swift]

BWOAH

[oblique dock]

I assume by the NISMO V12 you are referring to the one used in the NP35

[round swift]

75x12 = 900, is there advantages to this?

[round swift]

Well V12's were put at 75° instead of 60° for the same reasin later on, most 3L V10's went to 90°

It was packaging reasons

Even the Ford V8's were 75°

ok

[white ether]

Man... HKS F1 team would've been really sick tbh

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5m4B2YajU

[round swift]

I really wish more series ran at the Motegi road course

[round swift]

HKS would've been cool, but their engine in that state was quite low... Although the tiny Isuzu squad could get it from 637-755... What I'd be curious about is who they'd even go to

That engine was tested in a Formula Nippon essentially

https://youtu.be/dEzOugE_fko

Have a better quality/longer Dome F105i

[oblique dock]

Imagine if CART had ran the Motegi road course

[round swift]

THAT'S WHAT I WANT MY GAMER

Like say they ran the first at the Oval, then the Road course

[oblique dock]

A double header consisting of the oval going first, and then the road course.

(even though a double header is a bit much)

[round swift]

Well not a double header, they just do a the same location 2 weeks apart

[oblique dock]

Sounds better

[round swift]

Then the lolas win

Coz I said so

[oblique dock]

What? the reynards not good enough?

[round swift]

No, I just prefer the Lola's shape

Reynards have a very bulbous nose

And they're quite squared off

[oblique dock]

Should we just take this to #pitstop

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXUW7-wQ5iI

[round swift]

Fun fact

Yamaha lent those V12's to Jordan for free

[oblique dock]

Really?

So they were like, "Eh, Brabham was a bust... so just take their engines free of charge. Its not like its gonna make a difference."

[round swift]

Yeah

Well Brabham was still in F1 in 1992

[oblique dock]

I meant Brabham in 1991

[round swift]

They believed that F1 at the time was the best/most cost effective R&D grounds

They weren't really there for competition which is kinda why they sucked

But Jordan was Ford in 1991

and they didn't have enough money to keep that Ford engine after 91

Isn't half a hot engine doe

[oblique dock]

Speaking of Yamaha engines, weren't Yamaha V10's Judd GV's?

[round swift]

the 1993 Yamaha ye

Yeah, 1993-1997 Yamaha OX10's were JUDD GV's with Yamaha top ends

they probably figured they should rely on someone who is already established at making F1 engines rather than doing all on their own

Well I think it was more the dark decade

the dark decade?

Well in the 90's, East Asia had a pair of financial crashes

ah ye

So... Things like the Isuzu V12 couldn't practically be funded by the big wigs even if they wanted to

Because the money wasn't there anymore

the Japan went ham onto the F1 train in the late 80s early 90s

and by 93 there was almost nothing remaining

This is also why Petronas never ended up making the engine series they wanted

Instead sticking to badging and reworking some oil stuff on the Ferrari's

And I think also why HKS didn't get their engine out

didn't know Petronas wanted to make an engine

I just wished we had more V12's...

yeah, only Ferrari stuck with it. All the other original attempts were ditched in favour of a Ford V8

So Petronas had made the E01 in 1997

Which Proton acquired the rights to for the road

But the extension of that was using the Ferrari base to make their own race engines

[indigo sail]

it's still impresses me how on earth ken tyrrell and the team managed to have as good as a 94 season with a yamaha engien

[round swift]

Postlethwaite

[oblique dock]

If Postlethwaite didn't die, then maybe the Honda F1 project would come into fruition.

[round swift]

maybe

[round swift]

I haven't seen this before

And I adore that wedge

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIC8cpwA_7U

Does anyone else notice how incredibly low the 1998 arrows revs?

[round swift]

Does it rev low?

[woven zinc]

sounds normal to me

though its top speed is noticeably lower than the McLaren

but then again this is clearly early during FP3 so

[round swift]

Well... These're rebadged 1997 JUDD-Yamahas

So...

Have you heard the Dallara SP1?

[oblique dock]

Yeah.

It revs to about like 11-12000 or something like that if i'm not mistaken

[round swift]

Bruv

It's 1998

Oh

The SP1, yeah

[oblique dock]

What about the SP1?

[round swift]

I thought you meant the Arrows was revving to 12

In 1998 where they were getting to 17 or so

I assume it's an engine spec for Monaco for Torque

[oblique dock]

Seems quite sensible, considering how Monaco would be for acceleration and downforce

[round swift]

That sounds like maybe... 15.5?

[oblique dock]

Seems about right

[round swift]

Maybe even a tad less

It seems revs kinda stagnated in both F1 and CART from 1995-1999

I'm not entirely sure why

[oblique dock]

Probably for more power (even though some of the regulations were designed to slow the cars down.)

[round swift]

... But...

They stagnated

That means they didn't go anywhere much

[oblique dock]

Actually, I think I got it wrong

[round swift]

Like F1 seemed to get to 17 and stay for a while
And CART got to 14.5 and sorta stuck

[oblique dock]

It seems a bit weird tbh, now that I think about it

[indigo sail]

Makes me think while Tyrrell did had a financial downfall they still had Gascoune and Polyswhite which seems solid enough

[round swift]

Yeah these two were good. At some point they also had jean claude migeot as well iirc, whos the one that came up with the idea of lifting the nose to increase the floor efficiency

Thus creating the 019

[indigo sail]

Yeah. It's a shame that the whole Tyrell 2000 project wasn't matirlized and BAR basically kicked Tyrrell out of his own team

then the BAR was just a Villeneueve fan team and it took like 3 years until prodrive came into the team that the whole BAR project went into another gear

[round swift]

ye lol

[round swift]

les 7 mousquetaires

22 race wins between them, but no title

[paper fossil]

i have another photo which does have titles between them

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/522882463953846282/814084307273383966/image0.png?width=389&height=390

no depailler though 😔

[round swift]

probably taken after germany

😦

[oblique dock]

Wholesome photo

[round swift]

The hair is so 70's

Including the hairlines

[oblique dock]

THIS is 70's hair

You can't kill killer sideburns

[round swift]

https://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/drivers/hall-of-fame/Mario_Andretti/_jcr_content/featureContent/manual_gallery/image4.img.jpg

[oblique dock]

Sir Stirling Sprouting Some Sideburns

[frigid phoenix]

grab pint, turn on telly, sit on the couch, enjoy

[round swift]

sounds cool

[frigid phoenix]

such a lovely not-ferrari

[round swift]

But the 1992/1993 were the only Fezza ones

but this Judd engined one had a podium

[oblique dock]

As well as the 1991 car https://topworldauto.com/photos//b3/19/dallara-f191-flickr-photo-sharing.jpg

[frigid phoenix]

whereas ferrari couldn't podium a turd during that era

[round swift]

they could, but barely lol

didn't get a win between 1990 and 1994

[oblique dock]

1992 was the worst within that time frame

The F92A was a pile of junk

[round swift]

yeah definitely

then in 93 Ferrari tried to make an active suspension. Didn't manage to make it work
So they... managed to get it banned

[oblique dock]

😠

Typical Ferrari

[frigid phoenix]

yep i watched us DNF over and over and over...

[round swift]

why did they persevere with these sidepods

they also tried to maximise the air going inside the floor it seems, but the car was just crap lol

[paper fossil]

yeah they get something banned that they are crap at and boom they go from struggling to get 30 pts to more than doubling their points score from the previous season

[round swift]

well, yes lol

[frigid sundial]

rotated airbox

[round swift]

The livery was hottest in 1993

And... The 1994 412T1🅱️... Is it better looking as a car than the 1991 643?

[oblique dock]

Both are pretty damn good looking in my book

[mint gazelle]

ah the B190B

[oblique dock]

Senna in the Mclaren Honda MP4/3 test car

[round swift]

wide nose

the /3 looks odd. still wide like the /2 but lower

[oblique dock]

Yes, very odd. Especially with the Honda logo on the front

I mean its like someone flattened the engine cover of the mp4/2

[round swift]

ye

in the end they just tried to lower the car, like the 1986 Brabham

[oblique dock]

And then the MP4/4 came along....

[woven zinc]

what car is that?

like, ik it's 1987, but that's not their regular race car is it

[oblique dock]

Mclaren MP4/3 test car

[woven zinc]

guessing it was a Honda testbed

since there's no TAG branding

[oblique dock]

Yeah, since Honda left Williams to go to Mclaren for 1988

[woven zinc]

ah

what's up with that squashed Marlboro logo though

though this was a bad Photoshop for a sec

[round swift]

they reduced the size of the sidepods with this opening

The 4/3 is hot tho...

ye it's kinda hot

[oblique dock]

Its cool

[round swift]

ye that's what i thought, during the year they swapped the Shell and Marlboro logos

quite strange nobody used the TAG in 88

surely it was better than the Alfa Romeo or an atmospheric Ford

cause iirc the Alfa never had electronic injection

[oblique dock]

Besides, the TAG Porsche engine was pretty successful

[round swift]

Well afaik is kinda fell off coz it was losing factory support

And... Well it was TAG McLaren until the mid-90's

they struggled a bit with fuel consumption but i'm certain some backmarkers could have afforded it

teams like Arrows would have fared better than with the Megatron

So idk if there was a contract in place that prevented just restoring those units similar to Supertec

Or Megatron, yea

[oblique dock]

Williams could have used the TAG too

[round swift]

yeah that might be the issue

or Williams, indeed.

[oblique dock]

The Judd was bad, despite a P2 finish

[round swift]

yeah. also it was the first year for Judd lol

[indigo sail]

i always thought the judd was okay ish

as a Neutral aspirated but because it was up against the turbos of Megatron/Ferrari/Honda it didn't really stood a chance

[round swift]

I don't think anyone saw worth it to use an engine used by only one bunch for 1 year without factory support

Well the JUDD's weren't great even in a crowd of their own

JUDD only seemed to get a handle on things when they got into LMP's

[round swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IY1C7Nrk1c featuring "le grand blond" at the end

Le grand Blonde?

well, look at the end of the video and you'll know who that is

(blond in this case meaning it's a he)

[rugged silo]

i was gonna guess someone that doesn't really make sense

[round swift]

who were you gonna guess? 😄

[rugged silo]

Ronnie

[round swift]

it could work tbh

[rugged silo]

now there's three main reasons why he doesn't make sense Reb

He wasn't french

[round swift]

he was dead

[rugged silo]

He was dead in 1994

And he had brown hair.

but you KNOW

[round swift]

Ronnie Peterson?

[rugged silo]

yeah

[round swift]

hmmm

when i looked "le grand blond f1" on google, the second result was an article about Ronnie tbh

[rugged silo]

yeah but like, i can't find many pictures where his hair was actually definitively blond

[round swift]

surely depended on the period of the year

[rugged silo]

i guess everyone, including... us, just assumes he did cuz Sweden

[round swift]

Idk who that is on the right

[rugged silo]

this shot right here

chef's kiss

must've been so amazing to see cars like this irl

[round swift]

This geez?

[round swift]

ye

[oblique dock]

Roberto Moreno in the Ferrari 639(?)

[round swift]

... That's a chonky engine cover

I... Think that's the F1-87/88C V12 test Mule

[analog jasper]

Its Jean Pierre Jabouille

lmao

[round swift]

Oooooh

... I only know him for his name

[oblique dock]

I wonder why Jabouille was at Mclaren

[oblique dock]

Eh... the nose kinda gives it away

[analog jasper]

it says in the description of the video

[round swift]

He was in charge of Peugeot's effort in f1, after Todt left to join Ferrari

Got sacked after 2 years cause the results weren't there. Turns out he was the one who understood f1 the most of the crew

[indigo sail]

Jabouille and results not getting there

is this 1982 ligier

[round swift]

well, he was probably good at what he did at Ligier

but he wasn't excellent, unlike Ducarouge who left midway through 81

[indigo sail]

[oblique dock]

I mean, he was an F1 driver and the man who gave Renault and the Turbo engine their first win in F1.

[round swift]

yes

they expected the same kind of results as Todt got through years of hard work, instantly

oh our engine in the 905 is a 3.5L V10, surely we can just take it out of the 905, that won lots of things, and put it in a F1 car that has the same requirements, and it'll work right?

well, no.

[oblique dock]

You can't just plonk a WSC spec engine into an F1 car and expect it to win. Regs here, Regs there, Regs everywhere.

[round swift]

technically it could work, but there's a reason why WEC engines last 24 hours and F1 engines (especially at the time) can't really last more than a race, if they do last the full race

[frigid sundial]

1979 arrows a2

[round swift]

Fun fact: a "flywheel" built for 650~hp for 24 hours won't suddenly take 730 off a startline

As shown in Silverstone 1994

[bright umbra]

that looks so sick

[indigo sail]

I mean Bernie was tasked to kill WSC with the whole F1 engines tbing regulation innit

[round swift]

Yeah, it was designed to kill Gr.C

[rugged silo]

Mansell's 1989 Ferrari debut in Brazil

He won, incidentally.

[round swift]

They were so confident in that new gearbox and the car's reliability that he booked an early flight home, thinking he'd last like 10 laps before the car would break down

Bruu

I mean he isn't entirely wrong

[white ether]

I really find Zakspeed's West liveries a ripoff to McLaren's Marlboro liveries

[rugged silo]

First race with flappy paddles, right?

[round swift]

yes

They weren't really tho

They were just the packet's

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mbFRMK3zSk

[deft prawn]

Yeah, if McLaren didn't have Mercedes part ownership and... I guess Ron Dennis, it would've had a similar livery like that I'm guessing

[round swift]

Well no, coz that's West Black

[deft prawn]

Ah

[round swift]

They'd since made West black and west red

So

I assume it was half McLaren, half West

[obsidian moth]

wrong

[round swift]

OH YEAH

[round swift]

Sorry I am

Tobacco Seriously Damages Health... But we still sell it coz like... Send it right?

[round swift]

Oh boy, I sure love turning chicane 2 at Hockenheim!

[oblique dock]

Ultra Cursed Senna Lotus Helmet Replica

[round swift]

Nobody told me 7up sponsored Benetton first

[oblique dock]

Benetton knew what was going to happen in the next few years...

[round swift]

What?

[fading barn]

7

up

[oblique dock]

(i did a poor attempt at a schumi reference)

[round swift]

O

[oblique dock]

y'know... 7up jordan, schumacher, belgium 1991....

ah forget it

Here's Goku in Gerhard Berger's Mclaren MP4/5B

[round swift]

I'd love an anime where it's all hand done lime this

Like a realistic racing one

[oblique dock]

hmm lets see

F, Capeta, Circuit no Okami, Cyber Formula, etc.

[round swift]

You can bin Capeta, it's obvious 3D stuff

[oblique dock]

Still a good racing anime

[round swift]

Ayo searching Circuit no Okami gave me a 1977 live action with swastika bonnet Porsche 911's

[oblique dock]

wat

Cyber Formula took place in the 2010's and the 2020's. Imagine if we had racing like that nowadays

[round swift]

Bro I feel like with budgets we could...

But the Human body can't

[oblique dock]

True.

I really wish the future of racing, open wheel racing in fact, would be something like that

[analog jasper]

we need a proper f1 racing anime

[round swift]

Why ia it cursed

[indigo sail]

I find it weird reading the whole aftermath of the Monza start 78 accident

The main concern was Brambilla who was hit by a wheel and when they were talking about Ronnie the hospital were like yea he's going to be alright. just a bit broken legs in 3-4 months full recovery

Then the next thing you know the whole operation that was to Ronnie's legs was extremely rushed and it wasn't exactly perfectly executed and unfortunately next morning Peterson died while Brambilla still survives despite getting hit by a wheel in the head at a reasonable racing speed

[round swift]

Yeah that's a real shame :(

[dry estuary]

[indigo sail]

the thing i found it interesting was it seemed like while Ronnie was maybe at risk at amputation it didn't really seemed like he would die if things weren't rushed. I'm not really a medic so dunno what exactly would have happened but it's a shame the whole situation was handeled poorly

[round swift]

Yeah fat cells from his broken bones went into his blood apparently. Probably could have been avoided but not a medic either

[paper fossil]

seeing as the thing was very rushed it could have been avoided

[analog jasper]

they underestimated his condition i think

[round swift]

Looking at archives, really a shame that Trevor Taylor had an accident so quickly in 62. He seemed up there to fight with Clark using the same car

then he was approx nowhere.

dude qualifies 3rd on the old Spa circuit, but after his accident only qualifies 26th and last on the Nordsschleife, which is the same kind of demanding track

[oblique dock]

A Bell XF Twin Window helmet being used for a replica of Senna's 1985 helmet. Need I say more?

[round swift]

Yes

I mean, is it this cursed because he didn't use this helmet model?

[oblique dock]

Well... It just seems so weird to see that specific helmet model be used for a Senna helmet replica

[round swift]

Dude probably had this helmet for cheap

[oblique dock]

Seems reasonable

[dense mauve]

This might be just me but the mp4/2c was a better lokin car then the mp4/4

[north sand]

Congrats @dense mauve, you're now on lap 5

[dense mauve]

i love the curvature

[oblique dock]

The MP4/2 Did look a bit unique

[woven zinc]

eh, way prefer the MP4/4

not a fan of the bulkiness of most of the 80s cars

[oblique dock]

This looks better than the MP4/2 and the MP4/4

[dense mauve]

Ngl looks like a mix of the two

[round swift]

Tell me this isn't hot as hecky?

[oblique dock]

All JPS Lotuses are hot as hecky

(if you slightly discount the 93t)

[radiant pendant]

98t was the sexiest imo

[round swift]

The 93T isn't great

Coz it's not a ground effect mobile

[oblique dock]

yeah

[radiant pendant]

Found a cool website about "forgotten" F1 drivers: https://www.f1forgottendrivers.com/drivers/

[frigid phoenix]

looks like long beach

[round swift]

https://tenor.com/view/fernando-alonso-formel1-formula1-f1-gif-10123119

https://tenor.com/view/f1-destroyed-wrecked-wheels-gif-5316419

[oblique dock]

Wrong Channel

[rugged moat]

was just searching on the internet, and found this beauty

[drifting kelp]

That was also yellow

[oblique dock]

That was Giancarlo Baghetti's car, wasn't it?

[supple sable]

Reason for the car being yellow because Ferrari got into some trouble with Italy and they said we won't use the red on our cars?

[drifting kelp]

I have no idea

There was also a blue one

[supple sable]

Yeah

I think a blue one

[round swift]

the blue one was nice

[drifting kelp]

'ery noice

[supple sable]

Ferrari raced in blue because during 1964 season, Enzo Ferrari said that his team would never again race the Italy's national colours (short lived) and the team raced in blue for the last 2 grand prix

[round swift]

they won them both too right?

[supple sable]

Wydm?

I'm confused

[round swift]

they won those 2 races right?

[supple sable]

Not sure

[round swift]

no, the driver simply is Belgian, and the national colour for Belgium is yellow. The dude was a very renowned Ferrari driver especially in sports car, so i guess they allowed him to run using his national colour for his home race.

the 3 other Ferraris entered for the race were red

[indigo sail]

Clemente Biondetti ran his only Formula 1 World Championship Grand Prix on the Monza Autodrome with a Ferrari 166 with a Jaguar engine, which lasted for 17 laps before retiring.

One of two times Ferrari entered a car not powered by themselves

the other being the time they ran full Lancia cars in 55 Monza before they finally got their engine sorte with the Dino

[round swift]

works Ferrari, or privateer these were?

[indigo sail]

actually it was privateer messed up there

the other time was works and i guess it was before getting the Lancia dino ready for the 56 season

[round swift]

yeah. none took part in the race tho, quali only

[indigo sail]

I find it weird Lancia before they entered rally in late 70s had a weird history

probably they had the best challenge car to Mercedes in 55 but they ran into financial issues and Ascari crashed in monaco

then it was stalling before the stratos came along and started doing rally

and now lancia's current state is as bad

[round swift]

the Lancia Stratos is basically a rallye Ferrari

[round swift]

So Alpha Tauri copied these guys..

it used a Ferrari engine, designed by Bertone like many Ferraris

[round swift]

kinda

haha yes they did.

[indigo sail]

I guess but Ferrari were doing a lot of sportscars during that era in like 50s-70s?

before they started to less focus on and more on F1

[round swift]

ye

just Fiat doing some synergy

to promote another brand

Ferrari in F1
Lancia in rallye racing

[indigo sail]

It worked for them long term

[round swift]

yes

now they have forgotten they had a brand called Lancia

wait wait wait

Pininfarina makes a new Stratos since 2018?

[indigo sail]

looks like it

"Classic products are timeless style icons. The Lancia Stratos of the 1970s, with its cutting-edge design, is still an inimitable styling emblem. Starting from an initial assessment of the original car’s aerodynamic performance, the new model was developed during sessions in the Pininfarina wind tunnel to corroborate the basic shape and, during the final testing stage of the project, to define the aerodynamic details. The objective was to create another mid-engined sports car with a short wheelbase, low weight and outstanding agility, using components from the Ferrari 430 Scuderia customised to their new purpose.

The chassis, completely redrawn and made of extruded aluminium elements; it is now 20 cm shorter, and welded to it is a roll cage of steel tubing 40 mm in diameter, certified by the FIA. The 4.3 litre V8 engine, which receives its intake air through the side openings of the rooftop spoiler, is fitted with a new control unit and a high performance exhaust system, including a manifold and catalyser. The 6-speed transmission has been fitted with a new self-locking mechanical differential, and the control electronics were modified to allow for extremely fast gear changes, in less than 60 milliseconds."

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https://twitter.com/1990sF1/status/1366668155557445634?s=20

F1 in the 1990s 🚦🏎🏁🏆🍾 (@1990sF1)

Happy Birthday to Italian Gabriele Tarquini who is 59 today. Tarquini drove for Osella, Coloni, AGS, Fondmetal & Tyrrell between 1987-1995. He made 38 starts from 78 entries, suffering 25 DNPQ’s & 15 DNQ’s. Gabriele scored 1 championship point with 6th at Mexico in 1989. #F1

Twitter · Mar 2, 2021, 8:34 AM

[round swift]

Sad

25 DNPQs

15 DNQs

And shares his birthday with Mazepin 👀

can't choose the team you join really

[round swift]

Hello

[woven zinc]

or your date of birth

time for something cursed

the Jordan 195 in the 196's livery

[round swift]

i like that

[graceful crystal]

isn that mcrae lol

[round swift]

who like mclaren mp4 21 (2006)

[woven zinc]

it is

when McRae and Brundle switched cars for an event in 96, with Brundle driving McRae's Impreza WRC

[deft prawn]

Wait that car did not have a Warsteiner sponsorship?

Because like

That gold screams Warsteiner

[woven zinc]

it didn't

that gold was courtesy of Benson and Hedges in their first year with Jordan

from 1997 onwards they changed to yellow though

[round swift]

ye they figured it didn't look good on camera

TIL that Benetton wanted to get the Mugen engine for 1998

who knows how it would have turned if Enstone was to become the Honda team instead of Brackley

[woven zinc]

👀

that's news to me as well

[round swift]

yeah i'm reading new 1997 review

Trulli almost didn't make it to the first race because he was making his military service

[woven zinc]

sheesh

[round swift]

thankfully Minardi managed to make the army bail and release him early

[woven zinc]

yea

actually I wonder what would've happened if Peugeot stayed with Jordan while Prost sticked with Mugen-Hondas

would the 2 teams' performances, especially Prost's, have turned out any different?

[round swift]

definitely

the Prost was so fast in 97 already

with the Mugen, and obviously until Panis broke his legs

[woven zinc]

part of me thinks that the car design was also where Prost dropped the ball from 98 onwards

[round swift]

hmm maybe. Loic Bigois stayed, but he stepped down one notch and Bernard Dudot (ex Renault) became the technician director

[woven zinc]

oof

so that explains things ig

also

https://www.officinacaira.com/inventory/simtek-s951-01?fbclid=IwAR3xEP_43gBiN1ISIU_5ERWYRTp5beZ2RLlbd9fdjFdqy6B6jOughezgdTw

this is so amazing

[frigid sundial]

that livery is dope

[round swift]

Agreed, it is

[woven zinc]

it really is

[round swift]

Am I banned from speaking lol

"Muted"

Am I in muted?

[torn gulch]

You have muted role

Weird innit

[woven zinc]

@round swift that's because of a mute you got back in January, which probably didn't have a set duration

[round swift]

Yall set messages?

Ohhh

[agile surge]

h

[round swift]

Dam that's looooooong time

[woven zinc]

removed the role now, but don't break rules anymore 🙂

[round swift]

Yesss

Bootiful

The tiny front wing is just a joke though LOL

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbFRFDDcqPc

[oblique dock]

One of the few CGI F1 intros from Fuji TV

[indigo sail]

I always thought the Jordan Peugeot’s were really better and better every year

Fisichella had that one in Hockenheim where he was battling with Berger for win 😔

[round swift]

Yeah tots