Willi Maurer his manager kept insisting and Ken kept telling him they didn’t have a sponsor
#classic-motorsport
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Then at a Paul Ricard test Stefan showed up and got a go for about 15 laps in the car
And Ken thought oh this guy is quite good
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do you know why he wasn't taken?
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Money I suppose
Must remember Ken had to release him after 1980
Despite being on a 3 year contract
He already knew what he brought
With Stefan of course the opportunity just seemed to present itself
That is my guess
Ken rationalised once that Brundle was very much like a young Stewart and Bellof a young Rindt
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That moment when you had your stop and then the car shuts down on you, all thanks to a small flaw with the car's launch control system
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That moment when you had your stop and then the car shuts down on you, all thank...
He could have won the championship had he won and carried the momentum into Sepang. Imagine Heinz-Harald Frentzen, winning in a Jordan
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Not really
Even if Frentzen won the European Grand Prix, his results in Malaysia and Japan were bad
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had he carried the momentum into Sepang
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And then Schumi returned on Malaysia so that diminished Fretzen's chances
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*had he carried the momentum into Sepang*
the headrest came loose in qualifying and he was 14th on the grid and only 6th in the race behind both Stewarts
simply didn't have the pace in the last two grand prix
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ik, ik
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you know you can add up things
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It's more a mental frame of mind, which matters a lot
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but they were really pushing it to become world champions
the car wasn't that amazing
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That's fair
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They had a lot of talent though
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It wasn't very good all the time, but it was good
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It was probably HHF's best year yeah
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1997
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Mika/McLaren making mistakes
Irvine also
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car was faster
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he also believes the 00 Jordan was better too
which if you take some look at yeah
was quick
but it had problems with its suspension and gearbox iirc
suspension in the way it handled and peformed at times and gearbox was just unreliable
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That was the start of Frentzen trying to do more setup himself according to Sam Michael, and apparently he was rubbish at it
Or maybe 2001
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the suspension might have been the 01 car though idk
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yeah thing is Heinz often blows up these things technically speaking
if you listen to all his engineers they say he was a nuisance on this
and would have better spent his days just focusing on the driving
like on his BTG when he talks about the Prost/Arrows suspension set up I get quite annoyed
oh also at Sauber where he says he was as good as Heidfeld
which is completely untrue
when you dissect
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What makes it worse if that 1999 was the last decent season for Jordan as they went through a downfall in 2000, possibly because the Mugen Honda engine had such a deficit to the top teams and some of the midfield team power units
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i wonder how much it already was a bit of a deficit
in 99
but the car was nicely balanced
and reliable enough in its best races for available points
the Mugen was probably nicely packaged
but the Ford that year had more power and so would have the Ferrari/Merc with just as good packaging
like it was probably only better than the supertec and peugeot
oh yes and arrows
forgot they did that
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Some sites say the Mugen Honda power unit had over 770hp in 2000 and it's said in some sites the 1999 car is stated to have 800hp
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I believe that info might be wrong
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i think there is little chance it had as much as the merc
at most i would be thinking mid 700's
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That would still make the Mugen Honda be weaker than Supertec,Playlife or Peugeot
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packaging was really poor on those though
peugeot and supertec were practically unspent projects from 98
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Well,in 1999 it was pretty much between 715-810hp for all engines
The weakest being the Arrows engine
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i've got about 785 for the Merc and 800 for the Ferrari in qualifying spec
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I'm using info from STATS F1 and other sites and does seem more reliable than wikipedia
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that is funny because wiki literally uses stats f1 as a source 😁
can't get anything on power for the mugen from the peter higham cars book
not even on 98 engine which would have just been a bit heavier
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Pretty much 780-800hp i guess
At least Jordan had a decent moment in 2003
Though they still finished 9th in the WCC just above pointless Minardi
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last grand prix win for Ford
the team was given 2002-specification Cosworth CR-4 engines badged as Ford RS1.
think it is most annoying Stats F1 bands Ford and Cosworth together
when that strictly speaking doesn't work at all
it is just Ford
for that extended period
as it was also Cosworth when Ford decided it didn't want its engine to be its namesake after acquiring the racing assets of the brand
i assume they do that with TAG Porsche too
which as a name was never a thing because TAG made sure they bought the naming rights and then got great promotion out of it
Porsche only tried to start branding the car best it could once they realised they had something
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Did manage to remind myself of why cross ply was better with skirts and why Goodyear teams struggled initially in 83
Tyres would dilate at high speed which would increase the ride height but the ground effect would suck the car down and basically teams could run lower
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680 hp if i look on the 199 wiki
680 is 1995 power bruh wth
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Stats f1 go brrr
I really only rely on that for quick checks on grand prix weekend stats
Wins, podiums etc
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From Honda's summary of 3rd era engine development
That's looking about... 565? 570? Aka 758-764bhp
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Still,it's too low
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kinda what i would expect 🤷♂️
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Happy 71th birthday to Nigel Mansell🎂
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i best not talk about mansell if i can help it
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you can participate in Mansell trash talking
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too many times now
it is repeated circle at this point lmao
i'll post this instead
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Happy 71th birthday to Nigel Mansell🎂
THE LION!
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McLaren and Norris be like in 2024
https://youtu.be/D3eBksK0Kfs?si=CGW8RPjm5ZK5tr3L
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Nice classic F1 content
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It's the classic F1 nose
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"Screw it! I don't need this!"
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what formula one car is this
The Doggo DG-01
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yes he was his greatest rival
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Not really
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who would you say was
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Hakkinen is probably Schumi's most mythical rival post Williams
I say Schumi's greatest rival was Alonso but then Schumi only had one season of actual fighting in 2006 before he retired
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fair ig
anyways
a week ago or so
i asked chat gpt to tell me something about Maurice Trintignant and it disappointed me
it said he had won only ONE RACE
while its not true
i corrected it
and it said he won a race which he DID NOT WIN
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Anyway,nice protogen pfp
thank you
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The time Pedro unintentionally fell into a river
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Pedro Diniz Nürburgring 1999
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it said he had won only ONE RACE
Technically correct in terms of the world championship
Only won at Monte Carlo
Twice
55 and 58
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Hakkinen is probably Schumi's most mythical rival post Williams
What about Damon Hill, Jacques Villeneuve, and Montoya? How would you rank them against Hakkinen?
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below, all of them
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I feel like Schumacher had more collisions and DNFS against Damon than any other driver
That I mentioned
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yes he was his greatest rival
Alonso and Raikkonen probably the only two guys post Senna that would be close to a level on Schumacher
From 94-06
Personally feel Mika is one of the weaker multiple world champions who relied on a lot of his natural talent to be fast in qualifying
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i think he also was very much suited to his 98-2000 McLaren cars
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that williams was insane off the mark
round swift
Looked like a jump start
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It was but only just
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that video doesn’t belong in this channel but in #formula-1
Maldonado got a 5 place grid penalty the next race for jumping the start
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John Barnard definitely doesn’t sound like an arrogant git when it comes to his career and especially Benetton…
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i can smell sarcasm!!
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Yes
Byrne and Symonds literally leave because of his effect on Witney
Briatore has to have Godalming with Barnard
He said “If you sent John to Switzerland you’d have a war the next day.”
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wait where did Byrne go
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The B191 is a bit of a cock up
Both went to Reynard
As they were trying to enter F1
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and by the time Reynard stopped trying to get in (that instance) they went back to Benetton?
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The B191 is a bit of a cock up
But apparently he is the best thing since sliced bread at McLaren, Ferrari and Benetton
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because Barnard was gone wherever he went
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and by the time Reynard stopped trying to get in (that instance) they went back ...
When TWR came along yeah
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where arey ou reading this? i thought it was Kimball who did the 191 and not Barnard
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Kimball arrived after Barnard
In his role
“I was very upset with John because the car they designed was a piece of shit.” - Villadelprat on the B191
"We'd come from Ferrari with the 640, probably the best Ferrari up to that time, with a semi-automatic gearbox and torsion-bar suspension. A magic car. At Benetton I found the guy who designed it was Mike Coughlan. John was not involved in the design of the car, John was involved in politics and getting the factory next to his house. At this time John was not right because he should have been dedicating himself to what he knows best: building a race car and race team, instead of being an impresario."
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right
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Symonds on Barnard
Byrne says he was great at getting infrastructure built in the workshop and composites
But given he left I doubt he was all that happy about his comments on Witney and the team
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When TWR came along yeah
Which is Britain 91 basically
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when did they move to Enstone? 🤔
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By the end of 92 they had moved everything across
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ok 😄
do they say in the book why they changed numbers in 93?
i thought the only one who would change number in that era was the champion team
with the previous season's champion team
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Surely because Williams won both championships
McLaren didn’t swap
They took the vacated Brabham numbers
So Benetton the next constructor in the championship order took Williams 5/6
Jordan took the Fondmetal numbers (next highest)
And Larrousse the Benetton numbers
I love that numbering system
Especially before the rule that the world champion could only use the 1
Because Ronnie running the no1 in 1974 is ideal
Nothing about it ever made sense when it came to reordering especially in the 93 case
Okay tbf it is vacant lower numbers to lower teams
vacant higher to higher teams
Jordan and Larrousse were back to back on numbers
Basically reordering it so the numbers are sequenced correctly again
Rather than picking out of the wcc order and having to move everyone out
Sort of works in 93 although March never contest a grand prix so it takes till 95 for it to be assigned again
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Nothing about it ever made sense when it came to reordering especially in the 93...
yeah haha
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Also Scuderia Italia joining up with Minardi
Means that is gone until a new wc for another constructor is crowned
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Especially before the rule that the world champion could only use the 1
funniest about is that Tyrrell thus had 3 and 4 for the whole of this ruleset for numbers
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Or the sitting wc moves
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as they never got a title
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Is rather good yes
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but they were garbage for half of it
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ye
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sadly
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The only annoying thing actually tbh is some teams just not swapping
I do get the logic somewhat now
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such as?
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yeah 7-8
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Instead of 5-6
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Who's watched this F1 classic episode? 😀
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ugh that NOISE
yep, sounds fantastic in this especially
james allison is also in this among other interesting people
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It catches how sharp that tone is when coming toward you like it's... Disgusting?
Idk how else to term it
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It catches how sharp that tone is when coming toward you like it's... Disgusting...
yea, like when The Micheal™ is flat out through some of the corners
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I think this convo will last forever but I just can't do without it
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it has a different livery on it which balances the white better
It's like got a 2002/3 livery with the increased marlboro space on the engine intake
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it has a different livery on it which balances the white better
yep, the marlboro nicely balances that livery as a whole,
the nose, and among other things were pretty different on the F2004 aswell,
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the engine cover might've been different aswell
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mmm,
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that vodafone sponsor makes it look sm worse in my eyes
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hm
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Guys what would be faster
A Williams FW15C or a Williams FW19 around a circuit, compared to laptimes
My guess is the FW19 would be faster
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Famously discovered by photographer Darren Heath when he noticed that the McLaren's rear brakes were glowing more than usual
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How can anyone like this man
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How can anyone like this man
so this is mansell?
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Yarp
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He just seems to forget that Alain had to leave McLaren because Ron had aligned with Senna/Honda
Once you aren’t in favour of Ron at McLaren your time there is done
Literally Steve Nichols has told the story that Mansell would use test sessions as a chance to one up Prost on fast lap times and gain support
Prost was just quicker in 1990
Like Rosberg was quicker than him at Williams in 1985
Mansell had only 7 points with 4 rounds to go that year
From 5th and 6th places
The only reason he arrived at Williams is because Warwick and De Angelis rejected contracts
And Head pushed for him because he had worked with the Renault turbo engine
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i'm not an expert, but maybe, MAYBE, him not trying to sway his team in his favour is the reason why he only has 1 title.
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The only reason he remained at Lotus so long is because of JPS
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I've always heard that when it came to pace in sessions like qualifying, when prost was at mclaren when they were competitve alongside senna, senna was "allegedly" faster usualy but that probably isn't the case
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He recognises this
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well, one of the reasons.
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But he says that he wouldn’t do it because it isn’t the way he is
It is pure coping
The reasons he didn’t win 1987 and 1990 aren’t to do with that
Or 86
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he didn't have the mental to win
against a teammate that was at his speed level or better
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Well in 87 he crashed in qualifying at Spa and Suzuka
Ran into Senna in that GP at Belgium as well
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Perhaps the reason Prost and the others got competitive machinery early is because their talents were easy to recognise
Mansell was woefully bad in his junior career
Despite his efforts
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Before
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idk what Colin saw in him tbh
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Mansell was woefully bad in his junior career
he did start pretty late right?
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idk what Colin saw in him tbh
He was quick in the Paul Ricard test
The 2nd day that is
When they had fixed up the car
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now, who's better in your book, Mansell or Damon Hill
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ok you despise him but are still quite fair
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ok you despise him but are still quite fair
Oh he’s definitely one of the best drivers of the 80s 90s
His character is just annoying
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how was he so bad before he joined Williams tho
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And he isn’t rated as highly as Prost/Senna for good reason
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how was he so bad before he joined Williams tho
Wasn’t bad
But he wasn’t as good as he thinks he is
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very irregular in performance
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Hence I said 2 drivers were at least ahead of him for the Williams seat
And fair to be so
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Warwick was better than Tambay at Renault in 84 and the car was quick but unreliable
De Angelis
Beating Mansell
So fair again to be preferred
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shame de Angelis chose Brabham
Stayed at Lotus for 85
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oh ye its 85 my bad
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shame de Angelis chose Brabham
This was simply because of Senna
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his 84 season was great
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I think he had long since stopped caring about F1 tbh
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Elio?
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bummer
there were quite a few great seats opened for 86 in the end
McLaren, Williams
idk when McLaren signed Keke
or when Williams signed Nelson
maybe he could have slotted in here? he was still in great form and was, from what i've heard, easy to work with
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idk when McLaren signed Keke
According to Patrick it pre dated the Austrian GP of 85
Because Frank on that weekend got Nelson to draw up contract terms
Which fits in with a story Nigel Roebuck tells of him and Alan Henry having a chat with Piquet in his motorhome
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To this day I can't believe Alan Jones drove this brick
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ohhh so the reason why Dennis prefered Mika to David was not speed or skill or something, but "simply" that terrible accident of Adelaide 95 when Mika got into a coma while driving a McLaren
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Wasn't 95 the mansell season as well
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if by season you mean 4 races, then yes
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he just got there because of Philip Morris it seems
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Yeah, just one of the cursed images in my mind of him in that firesuit
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hmm no Mercedes also insisted. but they're also the ones who wanted him out in the end
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Also I believe he spoke to Ron Dennis in 94
Wasn't like McLaren was any good in 95' anyway
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not really
makes you wonder how good McLaren could have been in 94 with a good engine
in 95 their chassis was bad
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I mean the Mercedes engine in 95 did like to go kaboom, and I think the chassis being bad was kind of visible by the car looking like it was on ice skates lol
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if you've got a good but fragile engine, you should be able to qualify well
provided your chassis is good 🙂
even that was quite meh for them
best quali is 3rd, twice
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if you've got a good but fragile engine, you should be able to qualify well
Mmm this is true
I guess all that trouble paid off later on though
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Yeah, just one of the cursed images in my mind of him in that firesuit
Could be worse
Could be Peter Revson in a Shadow
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.....
This makes me think
What cursed pairings can I find
Is Watson in a penske cursed?
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if you've got a good but fragile engine, you should be able to qualify well
to be fair the Renault engines in 95 were a luxury to have
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true, and since Dennis believed, and rightfully so, in having a works deal with their supplier, they didn't have much choice
Peugeot was not serious so they "gave it" to Jordan
idk if Ford had a works relation ship with a team in 95, maybe with Sauber?
but still it wasn't up to power with Renault
what remained was Mercedes to take from Sauber
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i'm not an expert, but maybe, MAYBE, him not trying to sway his team in his favo...
But do you think that's a good or bad thing?
Also, mercedes dropping sauber was kinda sad
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i would do the same because that's my character
but i'm not an aspiring F1 WDC
yeah! Mercedes could clearly have supported 2 teams, also helps with development
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See idk if it's a British thing, and I know Nigel was a pratt to an extent but to win championships based on basing a team to treat you better or unequally well I dislike too... assuming Nigel's take is 100% true anyway
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it isn't much true in the 1990 case
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yeah! Mercedes could clearly have supported 2 teams, also helps with development
Ilmor were already supporting two teams with the 3.5's
Wdym it isn't much true? Nige got out of Ferrari that they were giving Alain the better cat
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in 86 Piquet was annoyed that his agreement hadn't been honoured with Frank
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who himself told Patrick that Nelson was the no1
whether it just meant getting the spare car or more I simply don't know
because Head said there was nothing in his paper contract about being prioritised
but I'm assuming Nelson got an idea he was supposed to be based on his bumping into Frank at Austria 85
must I think remember that Honda didn't want Nigel and had no clue why he was employed based on his average Lotus seasons
that is why they asked to get rid of him for 88 in order to continue supplying in addition to McLaren
Patrick says he wanted him but only because he worked with the Renault turbo
Frank didn't really care for Nigel originally
Comments on the 1990 season from Alain and Steve Nichols
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i really gotta buy this steve nichols book
the other onew you posted before was a book from Nige?
or about him
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It is not a Nichols book
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ah
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It is Maurice Hamiltons Prost book that he did in association with McLaren
Did 2 others far as I’m aware
Senna and Hunt
I am going to assume it was around the 50 year anniversary of Bruce McLaren Racing being founded
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the other onew you posted before was a book from Nige?
His first autobiography
Yes
“The People’s Champion”
He did a later one called Staying on track
idk to me it seems silly to call out politics on a guy who suffered endlessly the politics of his choices in racing
got forced out Renault and decided enough was enough at McLaren
and then sacked by Ferrari for making a comment about a broken car
Nigel acts like he is alone in these happenings but most drivers have faced it
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The last V12 engine
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and then sacked by Ferrari for making a comment about a broken car
imagine getting sacked for telling the truth
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fucking hell man
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fucking hell man
yk lotus is kinda like lewis
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fucking hell man
the last car they're referring to is the 1982 Lotus 91?
that one was very gorgeous
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fucking hell man
wait lotus had two distinct cars in 1983
w h a t
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yeah one with a turbo and one without
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wait lotus had two distinct cars in 1983
w h a t
yeah a lot of teams had two different cars for 1983
with Ground Effect being banned, a lot of teams started to transition over to Turbos to gain back some of the lost performance
McLaren, Williams and Lotus had two different cars, one with the DFV/DFY, and the other with a Turbo (Porsche, Honda and Renault respectively)
Renault also had two different cars but there was no engine difference
they just through to improve the car instead of the engine reliability which is what lost Prost the title
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classic Renault
they lost the 82 title due to reliability
what did they do in 83? lost the title due to reliability
they probably took the bait of Brabham with their engine that got more powerful during the season, but it was still not very reliable
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I think a lot of people don't realise how much of a shotgun that inline 4 was
Like yeah in party mode it had like 1200hp
It also had a tiny fuel tank that needed refueling and was still pretty poor with reliability
It's just that Renault had the issue of being french and hence lost the title
No really that's what Prost blames it on, because they were so nationalistic they wouldn't dare buy parts from the british that were superior
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what parts are you talking about? turbos for instance ?
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From what I remember from his beyond the grid episode, he said that the parts that failed in 1982 and 1983 that would cost him the title were these tiny little parts
I think he said the 82 race where he was knocked out of contention was caused by a faulty washer that led to the whole engine just dying
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they had multiple electronics issues in 82 did they not
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And that because they were so insistent on buying it in France or building it themselves instead of just getting cheap reliable parts from the UK
They lost both titles
I think he was trying to describe how the team culture is what cost them the title
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Because they were so focused on being the French works team they ended up losing the title
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Renault were messing about as if they had already won it
which is the source of Larrousses distaste for the British media of any kind
because the likes of motorsport and autosport really dug into them for that
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It also had a tiny fuel tank that needed refueling and was still pretty poor wit...
by 1983 this was rather an advantage anyway
but reliability problems ate away at the earlier parts of piquets season
such as at spa and detroit where he probably should have won
Brabham to all intents and purposes were supposed to start 1983 very well
they had their new lightweight car with michelin radials
and had been attempting refuelling longer than anyone
i really don't understand how Keke put his FW08 on pole at Jacarepaguá
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because the likes of motorsport and autosport really dug into them for that
so Gérard is salty for british media actually doing a good job and pointing at what went wrong?
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and then sacked by Ferrari for making a comment about a broken car
and he wasn't even insulting it
the Ferrari handled bad from poor conditions or whatever it was
but they still took it as slander
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Well he was insulting the car
But only because the suspension was broken
Hence me saying “comment about a broken car”
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yeah but Ferrari blew it out of proportion and fired the 4X CHAMPION
but to be fair team management isnt exactly their forte
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Twitter
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prefer knowing some of the suppliers for fire extinguishers in the 1969 season
Lotus, BRM and Brabham, a Graviner brand extinguisher. McLaren has chosen the firm Pyrotector and Matra the French manufacturer M.A.I.P.
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lmao
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> Lotus, BRM and Brabham, a Graviner brand extinguisher. McLaren has chosen the ...
Asbestos let's Goooo
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The original Kyalami just has something over the new one for me
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https://x.com/412T2Stan/status/1824957003170533647
Bruh
Drivers were always close to each other
Case in point
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Congrats @river cave, you're now on lap 60
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fucking hell man
The biggest Redpill for retro F1, maybe besides that Senna was never as good as it is claimed is that Mansell was mid driver propped up in hype due to British media yearning for a British Champion again
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The biggest Redpill for retro F1, maybe besides that Senna was never as good as ...
yeah i never got the idea of people saying he was mid
like the second he got into a title contending car, he started challenging for titles
the only time i can really think of him throwing away a title was 1991
and realistically had the car been more reliable anyway, he would've won the title regardless of him throwning the car into the Suzuka gravel
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like the second he got into a title contending car, he started challenging for t...
Tbf he threw it off the road in a car like a second quicker
At 86 Brazil
And forgot to put the car into gear at Mexico
Before we start talking about Adelaide 86
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and realistically had the car been more reliable anyway, he would've won the tit...
Could have not gone to sleep at Mexico
And shut off the engine at Canada by “accident”
Mansell should have won 87
Piquet 86
1992 was like a piss take in terms of being easy
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the only time i can really think of him throwing away a title was 1991
He threw away 5 titles including one for Prost and one for Senna lmao
He could win both 86 and 87 if he didnt drop points on constant stupid mistakes
And probably 1991 as he would not only gain lot of points without mistakes but also take at least 10 points off Senna
He is the mythical champion for whom 'needed dominant car to win' is true statement and not a slander
And Prost to whom to this day he is somehow compared turned him into total dog in their time with Ferrari. And he wasnt the only guy that overperformed him in same car. He got trashed by Rosberg and Di Angelis too and wasnt at all far ahead of Berger
He is not in the same league as Piquet, Prost and Senna. Even if marginally faster then Piquet he had horrible wheel and consistency to the point he lost a title to Piquet who was basically washed and brain-damaged after his Imola accident
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Mansell was too aggressive in moments where you needed fine-control over the car
He only won 1992 because the Williams's electronical aids covered for Mansell's weaknesses and the Renault was already becoming the main engine of the era
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He could win both 86 and 87 if he didnt drop points on constant stupid mistakes
You’re forgetting his crash at Suzuka in 1987
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You’re forgetting his crash at Suzuka in 1987
That was his mistake lol
That cost him championship
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Ok
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Crashed in Spa qualifying as well
And what Hunt viewed on reflection as Mansells fault for a collision with Senna in the Grand Prix
Even when I’m reading the first Mansell autobiography; David Price is like “he wasn’t all that special in F3” at all.
So was shocked he got so far
paper fossil
good stuff
oblique dock
First you have the MP4/5B’s high nose concept
And then you have this
paper fossil
6cm ground clearance rule
in 1981
after they banned skirts
thing is teams would use hydropneumatic suspensions to circumvent this on track anyway
so it could only be policed in the pit lane
the high ride height here is to make sure the car is legal
oblique dock
thing is teams would use hydropneumatic suspensions to circumvent this on track ...
Ooh
paper fossil
love how the brabham was completely illegal when it was moving
but not when it was stationary
and the headaches that rule caused
balestre wasn't supposed to ban skirts because of the 2 year stability rule
FOCA felt disgusted and there was talk of two different world championships racing
in the end goodyear briefly left because of this
what Formula One got in the end was Concorde and probably the beginning of Ecclestone's true grip on the sport
queen saddle
Would Roy Focker make a good teammate for Senna? 
Twitter
past drift
idk but i want a /6 model now
queen saddle
idk but i want a /6 model now
If you're into model kits, Tamiya and Fujimi are the options available. Haven't built either one of them, but the Fujimi kit will probably be easier to find considering it's still in production.
past drift
i've got the /4 lego kit to make lol
river cave
If you're into model kits, Tamiya and Fujimi are the options available. Haven't ...
i still have my Tamiya kit to build
and another 4 in a box
one of them being the Tyrrell
queen saddle
i've got the /4 lego kit to make lol
Building model kits is just like building a Lego set but with more blood, sweat, and tears shed (and glue).
river cave
yeah it's not like lego
past drift
oh i dont like using glue 😦
river cave
it's like cut piece out, paint it, wait for paint to dry
paint it again, stick it together
queen saddle
yeah it's not like lego
It's Lego taken up to 11.
past drift
right i'll pass then
river cave
proceed to do it all again
river cave
right i'll pass then
i won't lie, it is therapudic
it was something i started doing the start of last year when i was really mentally unstable
while it does frustrate me with how long it takes, i do enjoy it
it's just i keep forgetting to do it and so it's been sitting in a room for the last couple of months
past drift
oh i totally get you 😄
i prefer doing electronic kits atm
soldering rather than glueing
river cave
i'm at the stage with my car where i have to cut out the grill and stick it on
i think it's because i'm scared of fucking it up i haven't kept doing it
queen saddle
it's just i keep forgetting to do it and so it's been sitting in a room for the ...
Same situation with me. I've got a couple of F-14 Tomcats and a Macross Valkyrie in progress, but they've been sitting in my room untouched since I got pneumonia at the start of the year.
river cave
Same situation with me. I've got a couple of F-14 Tomcats and a Macross Valkyrie...
ah i'd love to do a F-14 at some point
i'm so stop-start with my models my old man started one after me, finished it, and started another one before i've finished my first one
queen saddle
ah i'd love to do a F-14 at some point
The Academy kit is one of the best options in 1/72. All the good Tomcats in 1/48 are hella pricey, but the Italeri kit I got as a birthday gift is still decent as far as the accuracy of the shape is concerned.
Even though Hasegawa's 1/72 kits are old, I got a couple just for the Jolly Roger and Sundowner decals.
river cave
i mean how could you not
the Jolly Roger F-14 is probably the most iconic other than the ones used in Top Gun
queen saddle
the Jolly Roger F-14 is probably the most iconic other than the ones used in Top...
Agree with that. There’s no other livery cooler than the Jolly Rogers (although I personally tie them with the Sundowners).
And it’s thanks to The Final Countdown and Macross/Robotech that it got so much love from both avgeeks and non-avgeeks.
paper fossil
Twitter
round swift
Bring back the V10’s on sustainable fuels
F1 is about speed, skill and pushing engineering to the limits. Not about efficiency (kinda about eco but not too much).
https://youtu.be/0mHkfCmoMVs?si=hwrXDWf_fCuC3qi_
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Bring back the V10’s on sustainable fuels
F1 is about speed, skill and pushing e...
you need efficiency to have an edge within the ruleset
sound is wasted energy
round swift
sound is wasted energy
I know but that’s part of our sport
round swift
you need efficiency to have an edge within the ruleset
But still
Make the cars smaller, lighter and V10’s
past drift
and F1 kinda needs car manufacturers to be invested in the sports
and these manufacturers aren't interested in thirsty 3L V10s
because that's not what they sell on monday
round swift
I know
But the thing is cheaper V10’s will initially be more cost effective and reduce F1 ticket prices
Cos V10’s cheaper to build
But less efficient
round swift
because that's not what they sell on monday
F1 was never road relevant
The MGU-H was useless
A total piece of crap
past drift
The MGU-H was useless
that's why they're getting rid of it in 2026 🙂
rapid jetty
the only thing i care about
paper fossil
When you realise the lengths Lotus went to making sure Andretti beat Peterson in 1978
It is ideal
Purposely running him heavy in qualifying at the French GP because of his pace being so much faster than Marios
Which is why Watson takes pole
Basically when it could be helped Andretti had to beat Peterson
Ronnie genuinely should have been world champion smh
past drift
Ronnie stayed for an awful lot of time when Colin couldn’t come up with a replacement to the 72
and when he left because he was fed up with it he was somehow a traitor?
and thus he couldn’t get a chance after he came back
paper fossil
Is that the reason
Sheesh
I don’t know if it was Andretti who didn’t want him there
But if that is true it would make sense why the effective no2 role came about
Which Ronnie graciously accepted
There was a school of thought Ronnie was past it at the end of 1977
But Roebuck puts it that he was back to his best in 78
past drift
im not sure, coming with my own conclusions
paper fossil
He did quite after like 2-3 in 1976 yes
Peter Warr quit after Long Beach that year
Because Chapman was being unreasonable
Okay yeah Ronnie just agreed to it
Isn’t much more that is evidenced for it
Only assumption I can take is Mario being more okay with Ronnie returning if he was made a no1
As for 1978 he was talking to others like Ferrari
Was going to be Tambay but he signed with McLaren
So couldn’t go back on it despite a meeting with Enzo
Then Villeneuve learned of this so eventually was picked for the American market over Jones who had done the whole meeting with Enzo and thought he had the drive
in 1976 Peterson returned to March, then spent a lacklustre season in Ken Tyrrell’s six-wheelers. He just didn’t have it any more, people said; he was pudgy and unfit, not the charger of old. Ronnie admitted that the spark was temporarily gone. “I got very depressed, and it affected me. It was another season wasted, and one I’d expected to be good.” Thus, he began talking to Chapman once more. “I looked at what Mario had achieved with the Lotus 77. That car was dreadful when I left, but he and Colin made a winner of it. Then I saw the 78 usually lapping me! and knew I had to get back there somehow. It was no time to be proud.”
So, cap in hand, he went back to his old boss, and in the cap were sizeable cheques from a couple of sponsors. It may seem an absurdity today that a great driver should need to buy a ride, but Peterson knew how Chapman’s mind worked; knew, too, that his own stock was low.
Andretti did not initially welcome the idea, reasoning that he had dragged Lotus back from the mire, and was now being asked to share the harvest of his work. “Tell me where it’s written we need two stars in this team,” Mario growled. “When Peterson and Fittipaldi ran at Lotus together in ’73, they won a bunch of races and neither won the championship. I don’t want that to happen again. I’ve signed as number one, but I feel bad that Ronnie has to accept number two, because that’s not what he is.”
Ronnie’s contract required him not to beat his team mate. “A lot of people were very sniffy about that,” recalled Chapman. “But Ronnie wasn’t one of them. He knew damn well that Mario had earned the championship. Ronnie was a very great driver, but he owed a lot to Mario, and he knew it. It was Mario who made the Lotus 79 the car it was, and Ronnie benefited from that. He was a very honourable man.”
by the time of the British Grand Prix Peterson’s freakish speed was asserting itself. There he took pole position, on race tyres, while Andretti worked through nine sets of qualifiers in his attempts to match him.
paper fossil
*Ronnie’s contract required him not to beat his team mate. “A lot of people were...
So rude
languid trout
When was the last time a race was held at the targa floria?
river cave
Then Villeneuve learned of this so eventually was picked for the American market...
and that's the whole reason Jones elected to not drive for Ferrari in 1982 when they asked him to replace Pironi
honestly he probably would've done a better job than Andretti did
paper fossil
I mean Andretti was on pole once he got up to speed at Monza
The car had a problem in the Grand Prix
paper steeple
meager pewter
they copied 2006~ ft. CART homework and then somehow made it look off despite it being near my dream concept
fiery egret
Im not a fan the rear wing concept
If they kept the current design of the rear wings I would like it a lot better
oblique dock
eh
meager pewter
If they kept the current design of the rear wings I would like it a lot better
You... Prefer the "endplateless" rear wings?
meager pewter
Bring back 2012 regs
oblique dock
If they kept the current design of the rear wings I would like it a lot better
It would just seem off putting.
fiery egret
You... Prefer the "endplateless" rear wings?
Yeah lol
In my eyes, it makes the current cars look really nice
paper fossil
Fine with 2012 regulations
Only issue is everyone just bypassed the banned exhausts and created a coanada effect anyway
paper fossil
interesting
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classic
meager pewter
Bro sounds almost bemused
round swift
I mean no disrespect to the classic community when I say this bc I don't want to present incorrect information
Having a manual stick shift in an F1 car is absolutely wild to me
I've been watching older races
And like, being able to drive at such high speeds while also manually shifting?
Like the MP4/6 has an H shifter and like my God
Did the MP4/6 also have a clutch pedal?
Again, sorry if terminology is wrong, not a car person.
oblique dock
Like the MP4/6 has an H shifter and like my God
The MP4/6 was the last F1 car to win a championship with an H-pattern manual shifter and the only F1 car to win a championship using a V12 engine
round swift
The MP4/6 was the last F1 car to win a championship with an H-pattern manual shi...
I saw this!
Very cool.
oblique dock
Did the MP4/6 also have a clutch pedal?
Yes. They had clutch pedals, including the cars that used paddles
In addition, prior to 1992, drivers still had to manually blip the throttle even when using paddle shifters, as the flyby wire system (which was introduced by mclaren in '92) wasn't invented yet
The system essentially allowed drivers using paddles to downshift without blipping the throttle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ykV2u-TqRQ&pp=ygUZcHJvc3Qgb25ib2FyZCBhbmFkZGEgMTk5Mw%3D%3D It's explained here
round swift
Very cool technology
paper fossil
Did the MP4/6 also have a clutch pedal?
Yes
Pedal clutches were still a thing for some after the switch to a semi automatic
As opposed to the hand operated
past drift
The MP4/6 was the last F1 car to win a championship with an H-pattern manual shi...
no other car won using a v12?
not even in 75, 76, 77, 79
past drift
i just meant a championship
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and what is a flat-12
river cave
not a V12
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how different is it
river cave
quite different
Flat 12 sits a lot lower in the car
the problem came when the ground effect cars emerged
hence why the 1980 car was a joke
they also tend to be heavier
hence why you tended to see the Ferrari's win around power tracks
while the DFV cars caught up in tighter, more corner based tracks
past drift
how different is it
.
river cave
or in the rain
velvet badger
not a V12
Still counts as a V12 because it was not a boxer, It had Shared crankpins which essentially makes it a 180 degree V12 like in the Ferrari 349 BB
river cave
i mean technically 🤓
velvet badger
180 degree V12s have slightly shittier engine balance because the engine moves from side to side
past drift
luckily 12 cyl are quite balanced
velvet badger
also forgot to say that 180 Degree V12s are Rough Running because they are Odd-Firing
paper fossil
I would consider it still a flat 12
And not a true V12
Which they had been running
“Please, don’t call it boxer. Technically, it is correct to say that this engine is a flat-12, or has 12 cylinders with the heads at a vee angle of 180°. The difference between this engine and a true ‘boxer’ is that on the Ferrari engine the corresponding connecting rods of each bank are coupled on the same crankpin, so the two pistons move in the same direction, whereas in a true boxer engine (for example the flat-six Porsche engine) the pistons move in opposite directions.” - Forghieri
paper fossil
You know keep in mind he threw away his career after 1975
past drift
“Please, don’t call it boxer. Technically, it is correct to say that this engine...
oh yeah it’s clearly not a boxer, that’s for certain
which is why, in my mind, it qualifies as a v12
elder heath
https://youtu.be/c4F5qhGtWAI
This is really cool! Such an iconic race. Angry Schumi lives rent free in my head tbh
past drift
This is really cool! Such an iconic race. Angry Schumi lives rent free in my hea...
were you already watching then?
paper fossil
round swift
Must admit, 1980's cars are really unique looking imo. Mike Thackwell and I actually have the same birthday (different years ofc).
Didn't he also race in an endurance race?
river cave
Didn't he also race in an endurance race?
well he raced at Le Mans several times and won the Nurburgring 1000km
oblique dock
Didn't he also race in an endurance race?
Thackwell also won the last European F2 Championship in 1984 driving a Ralt Honda RH6/84
paper fossil
Thackwell was a very good driver
In general
Shame he never got a proper good go in Formula One
He usually got put into replacement drives last minute
Hence his phrase “A Thackwell special”
past drift
wasn’t there a dutch driver who did the same?
oblique dock
Who? Jan Lammers or someone else?
past drift
oh yeah him
distant garnet
meager pewter
also forgot to say that 180 Degree V12s are Rough Running because they are Odd-F...
On what basis is this chief?
Just y'know, what maffs is this?
velvet badger
On what basis is this chief?
i dunno mate
velvet badger
Just y'know, what maffs is this?
it is some styupidi’e mate
rigid tide
https://youtu.be/c4F5qhGtWAI
Legendary.
rigid tide
https://youtu.be/3ykV2u-TqRQ?si=zv8jeAq-7KPiAy_m
It's sad because this car was unbeatable because of it's engine.
The 1993 McLaren was just as advanced as it but it was really underpowered compared to the Williams.
river cave
The 1993 McLaren was just as advanced as it but it was really underpowered compa...
pretty much
if anything the McLaren was actually more advanced
the TCS was more sophisticated
idle gale
Makes you wonder what would have happened if McLaren had used the Lambo V12 instead of the Ford V8 for 1993. Ayrton and Mika were impressed by the Lambo V12, despite its unreliability from the past. Apparently the V12 was also more stable and easier on the tyres compared to the V8 as well
river cave
Makes you wonder what would have happened if McLaren had used the Lambo V12 ins...
Either they win the last few races like happened in real life
or it blows up every time
but then again i don't know about winning
the heavier V12 would've thrown off the car's balance
unless it was designed with the Honda in mind
Even with the equal V8, Senna easily beat Prost and Hill
which unless Prost stopped trying after winning the title, meant the McLaren outclassed the Williams
rigid tide
the TCS was more sophisticated
Facts.
rigid tide
Even with the equal V8, Senna easily beat Prost and Hill
Sadly not much
The Renault V10 was a better engine. Better balanced. The V12 of the car was heavy, hence why McLaren rejected the engine.
river cave
also Dennis already had signed the deal with Peugeot, and putting in the Chrysler backed Lambo engine would've created problems since that would be a precurrsor to a proper engine deal
and McLaren didn't have faith in Chrysler putting money into the project to develop it further
also, not sure if it was the engine or Hakkinen, but the car got wrecked in testing
meager pewter
it is some styupidi’e mate
Coz 180° is divisible by 60° so there'd be no odd firing intervals
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60 being 720 / 12
paper fossil
and McLaren didn't have faith in Chrysler putting money into the project to deve...
The statements made by Chrysler support this
The Ford V8 up to spec wasn't so bad as much as the Renault was just better
past drift
shame it's no longer the case and we're seemingly getting rid of it entirely 😔
paper fossil
If McLaren had started out with the works deal and weren't paying Senna 16 million it would have been a hell of a lot better
I think McLaren would have had a similar 94 year with the Lambo
past drift
than the actual 94 with the Peugeot?
paper fossil
The peaks just a slightly bitter higher accounting for Senna >>> Hakkinen
paper fossil
than the actual 94 with the Peugeot?
Oh no sorry their 93 would have been similar to their irl 94
past drift
ah ok 😄
paper fossil
Not like directly the same because there is things like McLaren having the best chassis and driver aids still being important
But to say they might have traded in horsepower for reliability and packaging
past drift
yeah fair, especially if Chrysler half arsed their F1 efforts like Peugeot did
paper fossil
The general thinking is they would have put more spotlight on it than they had at Larrousse Lola
But whether that funding was going to make a big difference on their engine idk
Seems like it was still going to be F1 on the cheap
Look where that got Peugeot from 98-00
past drift
2000 was so "funny" in a way, new engine compared to 99, with very few parts in common
just a disaster that breaks at any occasion
river cave
The Ford V8 up to spec wasn't so bad as much as the Renault was just better
once they had parity, beating Benetton was a formaility
against Williams, it's still a V8 against a V10
one is lighter with less power
the other heavier with more power
One will be better at certain tracks, the other better at other types
not impossible for a V8 to win against more powerful engines; 1976, 1980-1982
river cave
Well not quite
the HB engine was developed as a new engine from the ground up
because Cosworth and Ford realised the DFR and DFZ engines weren't going to be competative against the likes of the Honda V10/V12 and the Ferrari V12
the plan originally was to only give Benetton the HB engine and give any customer teams DFZ's
but they changed that idea and ended up going with customer versions of the HB instead
it got retired at the end of 1994 in favour of the EC and ED engines
and then eventually Ford finally came around with the JD Zetec V10's they slapped into the Sauber in 1996
which went on to be well known in the Stewart cars, for combusting at any given chance
paper fossil
when you read everything about the engine from Benettons side
it is basically a done up DFV
and is a source of disappointment
Benetton in fact wished the GBA had been used one extra year
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Benetton in fact wished the GBA had been used one extra year
i find it really strange it was only used for like, 2 seasons?
developing a brand new engine, with a new technology (turbo in that case) must have been expensive
1 with Haas and one with Benetton
desert plover
what was jean thinking
meager pewter
it is basically a done up DFV
a Done up DFV? With a nwhole new Engine V-Bank angle?
That's how that works?
velvet badger
Most underrated 1991 f1 car imo
past drift
Dallara made good things with hos huge budget!
river cave
Better than Scuderia Italia Lola
Wasn't Scuderia Italia refered to as some kind of junior Ferrari team?
i don't know where i heard that but i remember one of the little independent teams being referred to as a junior Ferrari
desert terrace
That was Sauber for a bit, iirc
river cave
yeah, the whole Massa thing
the strange thing for me is, Perez was a part of the FDA
and was at Sauber and doing very well
and yet, he went to McLaren instead of replacing Massa for 2013
why?
past drift
that’s beyond the scope of this channel 🤓
but apparently Luca said no, because he was too young. so Whitmarsh snatched him to replace Lewis gone to Mercedes
river cave
but apparently Luca said no, because he was too young. so Whitmarsh snatched him...
Too young 💀
Bro nearly won a race in a Sauber against a Ferrari
Rather than promote a junior, they went with either Massa who was just struggling, or an ageing Webber who was only slipping further behind Vettel
past drift
that’s probably an excuse for “not good enough” tbf
river cave
Probably
Which is pretty sad since he was pretty good in 2012
The less said about 2013 the better tho
idle gale
One of those parts of a classic track where if you get it wrong, you will wreck it and have a high chance of dying.
Old Spa's infamous Masta Kink
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the old spa on these 60s F1s is scary on assetto corsa
river cave
One of those parts of a classic track where if you get it wrong, you will wreck ...
Was it masta where Stewart went off?
idle gale
If I remember correctly, yes
river cave
Didn't even get picked by an ambulance, but other drivers stopping and a Nun
idle gale
Went off and crashed into a telephone pole of all things
river cave
And then the ambulance that did come got lost
past drift
Didn't even get picked by an ambulance, but other drivers stopping and a Nun
luckily drivers cared a lot for their fellow friends and colleagues
idle gale
Granted if Jackie had crashed into a house, it would have been way, way worse
past drift
Hill stopped to help Jackie didn’t he
idle gale
Yeah, along with Bob Bondurant. With a toolkit from a spectator I believe
Unsurprisingly, only 5 cars finished that infamous race in 1966
idle gale
The Spa race where Jim won the race while managing a broken gearbox
Much like how Senna did many years later
paper fossil
Wasn't Scuderia Italia refered to as some kind of junior Ferrari team?
No
Ferrari has never really had a junior team
paper fossil
i don't know where i heard that but i remember one of the little independent tea...
Sauber if anything
They were the second team to get a serious supply of Ferrari engine
past drift
first being Minardi?
idle gale
Looking back at Checo's wrecked car at Monaco this year, it kinda reminded me of Mark's wrecked Jag at Brazil 2003
frozen prism
Yeah, along with Bob Bondurant. With a toolkit from a spectator I believe
60's F1 races always have a hit or miss story
either one guy lost control and spun into a crowd
or its an ambulance getting lost on the way to help a crashed driver
paper fossil
Yeah that 66 race was pretty peak
They had no clue of the track surface on the other side of the circuit
That said Surtees and Rindt got past it
frozen prism
Much like how Senna did many years later
I would like to say though I think Clark's win is more impressive imo
idle gale
Another video from a spectator of Ayrton's throttle blipping technique
In fact you can also hear it in action in this non-commentary video
idle gale
One of the rare instances of the Pedal Cam during the V10 era
idle gale
The Fangio Ascari Battle
Ferrari's Streamliner. Although it isn't closed wheel like how it is on the Mercedes W196 with its streamline body
paper fossil
Seems rather pointless tbh
I don’t think a lot of the Ferrari additions to the D50 Lancia were that good
idle gale
When Ralf drove for McLaren, albeit for testing
river cave
When Ralf drove for McLaren, albeit for testing
makes me think of when Michael drove for Sauber in testing
idle gale
When you put a People Carrier body on an F1 car chassis and have an F1 V10 engine powering it
distant garnet
desert plover
When you put a People Carrier body on an F1 car chassis and have an F1 V10 engin...
is that a 1993 williams
past drift
seeing the wide nose it might even be the 92 car
warm sandal
distant garnet
Pretty sure it is the passive 14
@past drift I actually have a old brazilian car magazine which has a article about the Espace F1, it's the FW14 as it's chassis was provided for the Espace F1
past drift
No front suspension bulges
true!
distant garnet
Who is driving it however
Prost and Coulthard drove it
paper fossil
When you put a People Carrier body on an F1 car chassis and have an F1 V10 engin...
Mean the guy in the FW14 in this photo
Definitely not Prost or Coulthard
distant garnet
Oh right
paper fossil
Why do I think that is a Matra logo on his helmet and it might therefore be Jean-Luc Lagardere
past drift
Why do I think that is a Matra logo on his helmet and it might therefore be Jean...
the Espace was built by Matra
brief wiki search says Eric Bernard
lead designer being the most Matra of all designers, Ducarouge
potent tendon
Twitter
paper fossil
One of the greatest to never win a WDC for sure
He was much quicker than Andretti but Chapman had this idea that Mario deserved it for his effort and made Ronnie an extreme no2
round swift
topaz nimbus
F2001 9/11 livery in Monza...
river cave
F2001 9/11 livery in Monza...
The CART race in germany the same week was just awful
past drift
The CART race in germany the same week was just awful
awful how?
past drift
oh 😦
river cave
yeah, the day before the Monza race
i could just imagine drivers coming out of qualifying and finding out that news
Already having the fears of post-9/11, and then geting the news an ex-F1 driver having a horrific accident like that
past drift
the fun bit is., they just reliabilised the car for 2003 and Kimi finished 2 pts off the title
distant garnet
If only the McLaren MP4-18 worked without problems as intended and debutted in 2003
past drift
rather than never debuting?
distant garnet
It did debut
As the MP4-19
But revised for the year's rules and possibly without the inventions Newey planned (such as the Blown Diffuser)
river cave
The MP4-18 was such a problem child that McLaren and Newey focused on, they basically forgot about the 17D
Had they pushed just a little more development out of it, or fixed the reliability issues on it further, Kimi could've easily won
frozen prism
I swear that still infuriates me
they had a car that was contending for the championship and could have used developing
but they didnt
river cave
At least Kimi did get his World Championship...
...At Ferrari and not McLaren, but still
sour moon
Which is even better, let’s be real 💅
river cave
Depends on how you look at Kimi
if you think of him as the next Flying Finn, him not winning at McLaren sucks
if you see him as the one to take Schumacher's throne as some people predicted back in his McLaren days, then Kimi fulfilled that promise year 1 at Ferrari
sour moon
All I see is what Charles said, doing it with Ferrari is different
past drift
i would have wished for Kimi yo interrupt the Michael’s domination
past drift
sadly 😔 now my dad wont watch f1
mighty ginkgo
Nothing could have interrupted the Michael domination
regulations
past drift
how did that happen
Schumacher dominated too much, why bother watching when you know who wins 8/10 times ?
mighty ginkgo
Schumacher dominated too much, why bother watching when you know who wins 8/10 t...
like even after he retired, he still stopped watching?
thats sad
past drift
like even after he retired, he still stopped watching?
yup, even in 2005 when he just won 1 race
oblique dock
yup, even in 2005 when he just won 1 race
When realistically he would’ve won none if Indianapolis didn’t repave their surface
sour moon
Nah the Williams one has GOT to be cheating 😂 https://www.ddinstagram.com/reel/DABScmFRaRT/?
timber thistle
Can someone explain to me why Jordan used a Ford engine in 2003-2004 but the Ford-Owned Jaguar used a Cosworth?
crimson lance
Can someone explain to me why Jordan used a Ford engine in 2003-2004 but the For...
ford themselves worked with cosworth to make engines for their production cars
so that must have influenced jaguar to use cosworth engines as they were better than ford's offerings
timber thistle
so that must have influenced jaguar to use cosworth engines as they were better ...
So why did Ford make F1 engines when they partner up with Cosworth?
crimson lance
most "ford" engines were just cosworth engines with ford rebrand
crimson lance
So why did Ford make F1 engines when they partner up with Cosworth?
advertising
past drift
seems likle Jordan used the previous year's Jaguar engine, rebranded as a Ford
i don't remember when but it was about that time that Ford effectively took control of Cosworth, late 90s till mid 2000s iirc
near charm
It's been 20 years since the ferrari F2004 was introduced
One of the fastest formula 1 cars of all time.
near charm
https://youtu.be/dkrudXgt3O8 traction control goes krkrkrkrrr
he just gets on the throttle so early
its crazy
paper fossil
Can someone explain to me why Jordan used a Ford engine in 2003-2004 but the For...
Simply a rebadged older Cosworth
river cave
So why did Ford make F1 engines when they partner up with Cosworth?
marketing. Ford took over Cosworth and before them provided them with funding (It was Ford money that built the DFV)
Ford themselves have never actually built their own engine; it's been Cosworth who were backed by Ford
torpid void
he just gets on the throttle so early
It's also Schumacher we're talking about
It's insane how early on the throttle he could be
past drift
did he like jam it like senna would?
i forgot if his driving style eas analysed by like watson i think it was
crimson lance
trying senna's driving style these days would just spin the car round
atleast his driving style works in gt3
works like a charm
well, in assetto corsa anyway
torpid void
did he like jam it like senna would?
No, he was just able to get early on the throttle because of the amount of oversteer he could control
Michael also had the best forward momentum out of any driver imo
Dude could have all the dirty air in the world infront and still carry an amazing amount of speed into corners
It's just like he said himself, he was very good at finding the limit and staying it
his consistency was his best trait
and he was also one of the best drivers in the rain
Probably the best ever, but some might say Senna
just depends on how you see it
torpid void
ye one of the few drivers who could like do qualifying stints
God damn if he did
Best lap ever around Suzuka
And to put it into context, this dude THREE POLE LAPS IN A ROW
I hate that F1 recently removed the video
But this kinda works too
Dude was destroying the field in that qualy session
His first lap was already 6 tenths faster than the next driver
Then on his 2nd lap, he improved by 2 tenths
And to make it even worse for the entire field
on his last lap, he went 3 tenths faster
And like I said, the other two laps were on hindsight pointless since his first lap was already good enough for pole
meager pewter
https://youtu.be/dkrudXgt3O8 traction control goes krkrkrkrrr
Me when you're feeling rough and your throat won't clear
oblique dock
Me when you're feeling rough and your throat won't clear
Blowing your nose during allergy season
meager pewter
Crikey lad give it a break
Also do you have video of the Toyota TF105 burnout from the pits?
oblique dock
Also do you have video of the Toyota TF105 burnout from the pits?
I don’t think I do, but I do have this https://youtu.be/o7HE_9P8WRM?feature=shared
vocal trench
I was watching the 2014 Australian GP, and saw Jules Bianchi and I instinctively did this...
river cave
I was watching the 2014 Australian GP, and saw Jules Bianchi and I instinctively...
I've been watching the 2014 season between races
I am dreading getting to that point
past drift
you don’t have to watch it
vocal trench
I am dreading getting to *that* point
I am not watching the 2014 Japanese GP
Monaco that year was apparently the shit
distant garnet
Monaco 2014 was the moment Jules showed he had a lot of potential
torpid void
Monaco that year was apparently the shit
It was
Nothing happened apart from Raikkonen giving Bianchi free points
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mighty ginkgo
I've been watching the 2014 season between races
that season is mid im ngl
river cave
that season is mid im ngl
yeah but i've already seen 09, 10 and 12
just working through seasons
hidden drift
golden age of f1 if you ask me
exciting rivals, great cars, great tracks
river cave
golden age of f1 if you ask me
exciting rivals, great cars, great tracks
'03 was a better season competitively though
hidden drift
'03 was a better season competitively though
yeah that too 🤝
oblique dock
golden age of f1 if you ask me
exciting rivals, great cars, great tracks
......and schumacher scoring 100% of podiums that season
hidden drift
......and schumacher scoring 100% of podiums that season
Exactly, total
dominance
sour moon
GOATMACHER
desert plover
MIKEAL SHOEMACHER
mighty ginkgo
golden age of f1 if you ask me
exciting rivals, great cars, great tracks
unfortunately a certain ‘michael schumacher’ may or may not have won all the races
woven zinc
GOATMACHER
hidden drift
unfortunately a certain ‘michael schumacher’ may or may not have won all the rac...
exactly, that was the 2002 season
even though we got some DNF's