reutemann i think didn't race the 80
#classic-motorsport
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yeah only Mario raced it, in only 3 races
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he wasn't pragmatic enough
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Love when Maserati needed more than one spark plug per cylinder on its 67 spec V12
36 valves
36 spark plugs
Nice for Jochen to dip the clutch and giving the engine all its worth at Watkins Glen 67 so it broke before the crankshaft split
“Spoiled child mentality” - Ron Dennis
😭
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As memorial day winds down here is a image of my hero and American icon dan gurney on the way to victory at spa in 1967
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Dan Gurney For President
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The more time goes on the more I miss him
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What a truly remarkable man
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Jody Scheckter: “Gilles is often faster than me, but he takes too many risks. For this reason, I think I will be able to finish ahead of him in the championship by the end of the season."
Gilles Villeneuve, about Scheckter's words: “I know it, he often tells me. It doesn't change anything for me. I want to fight to be the fastest in every lap. I don't want anything to do with driving cushy to try to win a title, with second, third or fourth places. What I'm most interested in is trying to break Stewart's winning record, not Fangio's five championships."
in 79 after the Belgian GP where Villeneuve finished out of the points because he ran out of fuel with 200m to go in the last lap while running 3rd
must have been quite something to watch Gilles drive back then, dude just pushing all the time
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Jody Scheckter: “Gilles is often faster than me, but he takes too many risks. Fo...
Weak attitude
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Weak attitude
by Jody pr Gilles? 😄
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Hi!! Nice to see a place to discuss racing history here
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I think it was the sole F1 race disputed in two heats!
tribal silo
It was an epic race
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*moments before disaster*
having actually seen the footage of Brabham screwing up, bruh
when they said he messed up at the last corner i though people meant he screwed up his exit or something like that
not straight up torpedoed into the wall at the end
paper fossil
average jack brabham moment
same season he ran out of fuel at brands on his way to victory
paper fossil
he didn't exactly want to race in 1970 anyway
he was hoping rindt would return
and that looked likely
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then again this is the same guy who after winning the championship in his own car
proceeded to lose the championship to his teammate in his own car
paper fossil
yeah well he was past it probably by 68
once rindt gave him a good kicking in qualifying
he knew it would only get harder
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still mad he was second in the championship when Rindt was killed in Monza
paper fossil
happens
the car was probably one of the best if not better than the lotus was most of the year
i think rindt was just immense
defintely jackies equal at that point
maybe faster
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and tbh other than Monaco the only other memorable thing i can think of Brabham doing in 1970 was making the final decision to not race at the Nurburgring that year
according to the other drivers
paper fossil
i mean i think rindt would have won 70 easier
in it
and not have died
but then glen 69 happened
so jochen stayed to lead the team
river cave
yeah Rindt's main problem with Lotus was he didn't trust the car or Chapman for that matter
paper fossil
nor did anyone
but clark
graham hill, john miles and rindt all hated the 4wd car
they hated a lot of what happened in 69
and 70
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i mean it was a car that was as strong as a literal tin can
because he prioritied performance so much
paper fossil
racing for Rob Walker but using a Lotus was probably a good agreement for Hill to have
but Graham was absolutely finished from a peformance perspective
and that was Rob's last year too
Colin Chapman is determined to force Graham Hill to drive a Lotus 63, by force if necessary. Thus, he sold his 49 to the South African pilot John Love. Hill arrived furious at Silverstone and only reluctantly got into the four-wheel drive on Thursday afternoon. It turns out that this model heats up a lot and that in addition it has not received the same evolutions as that of John Miles. The tone rises between Chapman and Hill who obviously receives the reinforcement of Rindt. Thursday evening, the elegant mustachioed strikes an agreement with his friend Jo Bonnier to exchange their cars. Hill recovers 49B and the Swede takes care of 63! It is a characteristic act of rebellion. Mad with rage, Chapman is confronted with a fait accompli... Refusing to recognize that his 4x4s have failed (poor Miles and Bonnier realize it very quickly...), he shuts himself up in silence. Since his pilots refuse to drive the wonders he has concocted for them, too bad for them! He sulks until the end of the weekend and loses interest in the Grand Prix.
tribal silo
same season he ran out of fuel at brands on his way to victory
That was a mistake form the team, attributed to Ron Dennis for many years, even if it's now confirmed it's an urban myth.
paper fossil
i can't believe someone like brabham would let a car be underfuelled like that
but yeah dennis was there
mostly because of rindt
tribal silo
No, Rindt was already on Lotus when it happened with Jack.
paper fossil
mein gott man
he came with rindt from cooper to brabham
in 68
that was what i was explaining there
tribal silo
ahh yeah
paper fossil
"Jack started at Brands with 4-5 gallons in excess of the car's requirements and he wasn't quite out at the end so it wasn't a case of the tank not scavenging. It's possible that the fuel didn't go in, but the people concerned were very reliable and marked off their churns and so on. We could have used more fuel, this is possible because the car did appear to be running rich in the race, but the other possibility is that we had a leak. We did find a suspect bag which was wet when we pulled it out of the car after the race, although we haven't got any proof that it leaked." - Ron Tauranac on Britain 70
tribal silo
Thanks!!! I had no diea, probably I might have read it but can't remember right now
paper fossil
I have always assumed he wasn't saving that well
tbh
because it was an odd place to literally cost yourself a gp win
"I'd stopped by the end of the pitlane and by now I'd worked out what had gone wrong. I jumped out the car and bumped heads with one of my mechanics, who was also wanting to look in there very quickly. Sure enough the fuel setting was still on full-rich from morning warm-up and I'd used four gallons more than we reckoned on. The mechanic I bumped heads with? Ron Dennis!" - Jack
seems like it was Ron
tribal silo
I'm almost sure it was later deemed an urban legend, as it wasn't Ron the guilty one, but it might be a mistake of mine
Too many information
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BRM = Bloody Rubbish Motors
(According to Aidan Millward)
Speaking of Aidan Millward. Here's his latest video on the Wall of Champions
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzpj_Mg5qJc&ab_channel=AidanMillward
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BRM = Bloody Rubbish Motors
(According to Aidan Millward)
they didn't make great use of that german technology they were given tbh
paper fossil
The H16 and V12 weren't particularly brilliant no
But I put a lot of that down to Louis Stanley being a terrible owner too
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i think they only used it for their very first car with the V16 or whatever it was
paper fossil
That only appeared in like two wc gp I think
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yeah it didn't work haha, i think they had something too complicated for them
paper fossil
All the conventional engines of the time had less cylinders
So shocking it didn't work
paper fossil
But I put a lot of that down to Louis Stanley being a terrible owner too
I mean for example it says a lot that the only GP win for the H16 didn't come from the works BRM’s
But instead Lotus
meager pewter
yeah it didn't work haha, i think they had something too complicated for them
A shame coz when it got reliable it wasn't F1 legal anymore
Deliciously powerful
paper fossil
Interesting
Loved the BRM colours especially once they started running the orange band at the tip of the car
Again a great shame that the team continued its downfall under Stanleys helm
Because he thought he was British Enzo Ferrari or something
“Louis Stanley was in a dream world. He thought he was Britain’s Enzo Ferrari. His office at Bourne was dimly lit and had one of those ceiling lamps you could pull down. He’d have it so low that you couldn’t see his face. It was all pretence. We didn’t even have a decent F3 budget. It was laughable really. Sad too.” - Mike Pilbeam
😭
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shame
de Cesaris was a good driver
when he had the machinery that didn't either blow up in his face or send him into a waiting accident
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timber peak
tribal silo
de Cesaris was a good driver
de Cesaris was an excellent driver, but he had problems with his peripheral vision, so he was mistake-prone due to it, apart from being an aggressive driver. However, he was at his best when he got older and did some superb performances with Jordan in 1991, then Tyrrell in 1992 and Sauberin 1993
tribal silo
the only time Porsche was good in F1
Porsche first attempt in 61 and 62 was reasonable, but they didn't put much effort into the developemnt, Porsche wasn't a maufacturer like today
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de Cesaris was an excellent driver, but he had problems with his peripheral visi...
like a genuine medical problem with peripheral vision?
tribal silo
Tunnel vision, yes
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de Cesaris was an excellent driver, but he had problems with his peripheral visi...
82 and 83 were good years too considering
Like he already ended the reputation Giacomelli had built up against Depailler instantly
Like genuinely there is good reason Marlboro backed him
Even after the disastrous 1981
tribal silo
82 and 83 were good years too considering
Yes, 1983 was pretty good. Giacomelli was a great driver, too, but he had no money nor personal sponsors and didn't cope well with pressure and team politics. He had the need to feel comfortable before delivering his best.
paper fossil
I don't think too much of Giaco
Handful of results he did elect to just throw away needlessly
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shame, at least he scored Alfa's first pole since their comeback
tribal silo
He was pretty good in F3 and F2, carried almost alone the development of Alfa Romeo until Depailler arrived and when he died, and did quite well on CART on some races without kniwng the circuits
paper fossil
"There was one small problem, Bruno spoke no English and Robin spoke no Italian, but Bruno was a devout Catholic and so, perhaps for the only time in racing history, driver and engineer communicated in Latin" - Max Mosley
tribal silo
Yes, Bruno was also one of the few drivers that came strictly from working class, that's why he was always associated with being a Communist
(back then)
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Great shame Patrick did die
The car was quick but unreliable and he was as far as I’m aware from a Tyrrell perspective a great guy at making the car go quicker rather than just being easier to drive
He had bad habits and outwardly seemed like a nut or mercurial
But he was a lot more
I mean it is enough to say that people at the team thought he was more like Stewart and Jody was well just himself
Great car control and all like Ronnie
tribal silo
Yes, he was more like Peterson and Hunt
paper fossil
Probably knew a lot great deal more about cars than both though
The issue is more he would know all that but still drive around the problem
Until 1980 I think
Then he fully drove within himself though he says he made every effort to try
I would honestly say those 3 together could easily sneak a top 3 drivers of the 70s because Lauda for me has always been a tricky one
Maybe drop one for Lauda but he did find himself reversing into 1977
With the Lotus being incredibly unreliable and the Wolf just yeah ok enough
Which makes Scheckters 2nd place all the more weird
tribal silo
Lauda was a racing scientist, and he became even more like it after the crash. In my opinion, that season Scheckter had the best car, but not so reliable, Andretti was the fastest and Lauda had the best approach.
paper fossil
The Wolf wasn't so brilliant
Having last looked over things
Lauda pulls out everything he can to show Ferrari the finger
For their clear disowning of him
But yeah it is obvious why Lauda didn't go to McLaren because if he had been alongside Hunt he might have been steamrolled
I think that is Hunts best season
Making Reutemann no1 unforgivable
Constantly trying to remove him
Sacking his best engineers
Really a mess
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But yeah it is obvious why Lauda didn't go to McLaren because if he had been alo...
I mean McLaren and James were totally fine with this happening it was just Niki who didn't like the idea
I must find what Robin Herd said about Ronnie at Tyrrell
"The six-wheeler was a tricky car to set up and Ronnie was not the man to do it. He needed to be in a team where he was joint number one with a driver who would do most of the testing or in one, like March, where the car was simple and straightforward"
Obvious stuff
Of course
Ronnie once described the car as understeering at Signes during a French GP and none of the Lotus guys could understand it because the rear tyres were hot and fronts cold
So they sent out a man and guess what
He was opposite locking
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so question about Ferrari in that era, did Lauda got very good, did he build the car around him and it worked, or was Regazzoni just not that good either
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And Ronnie was like “No its understeering so much it's faster to drift it”
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i remember you said he was meh at BRM
which he was, aside from Monaco and Silverstone
paper fossil
so question about Ferrari in that era, did Lauda got very good, did he build th...
Clay wasn't particularly brilliant no and Lauda fixed up the car Ickx had been left with during 73
In like one test
paper fossil
i remember you said he was meh at BRM
I mean yeah
Beltoise was beating him
Pretty comfortably
Ronnie had done so to a huge margin at March
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but Lauda got very good already in 74
paper fossil
He was competent
And then a lot of things snowballed
It is like in some situations having the kind of driver James Hunt or Ronnie is would be perfectly fine
And others you need Lauda to fix up the car
But if James or Ronnie were alongside him he would have probably been crushed
And there ends any argument to have Lauda
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ok 😄
paper fossil
But again 77 is hard to call because Reutemann is so insane
paper fossil
Like you can say ah well that is proof Lauda is quicker than this man and therefore others
But
Reutemann was not particularly backed in the team
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and he is quite bad when he doesn't feel at ease either
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And the alienation of interference from Enzo cost him
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for 81 he somehow made it
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ah?
paper fossil
He let them get on with it for 81
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And Jones cocked it up
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what about Patrick?
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did he back either
paper fossil
They liked Jones
But as soon as Brazil happened they gave up on giving anyone team orders
paper fossil
And the team split but Head sometimes worked on Jones car and then on Reutemann
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but they lost their drivers in many ways
paper fossil
It is true to say Head likes Jones more
But in the moment professionally he would get on with it
Maybe it came to a friction point at Las Vegas
Where according to Dernie he was for some reason looking around at helping Alan instead
When he was supposed to be working on Reutemanns car
The qualifying car he stuffed in warm up
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i think i saw someone after the ev ents agreeing he had like 2 gears left
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He just went insane again
I think it didn't help when Frank did the silly thing of changing tyres
Mid season
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oh yeah
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and everyone at Williams seemed to hate the Michelin
paper fossil
Frank thought it was French peasant rubber
And because Goodyear was American it had to be better
paper fossil
Lauda goes to Lotus in 78
in place of who?
Nilsson or Andretti
if it is alongside Andretti I might be happy to argue Mario because it is his team
and he did well developing that car
Ronnie because he's the man is able to get really close without a spare car, qualifying tyres and upgrades
and willingly knows he is Mario's wingman tbh
perfect No2
also i am not so convinced Lauda was great in his two Brabham seasons
Andretti tbh only had the option of Ferrari and he told Chapman who matched their offer
the only real option as opposed to Peterson I remember for Lotus was Arnoux and that was before Ronnie was available
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Nilsson or Andretti
Nilsson yeah, to have him with Andretti
paper fossil
Yeah I would be confident in saying Mario
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well with everything said here, I think in terms of pace they're about even
Mario would still get the #1 treatment
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toyota
paper fossil
What do we think of the 1961 Ferrari line up
Carried by the engine?
Von Trips or P Hill which would you prefer though imo both are not ideal
tribal silo
Ferrari had a great line-up, but they won easily because the British teams tried a stand-off against the CSI and almost menaced to form a breakaway championship instead of preparing for the new rules
I think the fastest was Von Trips; Hill was more regular and experienced and was a great endurance driver, one of the best of all time. Ginther wasn't on the same category, but was a superb development driver and could be extremely regular and, on his day, very fast
paper fossil
Interesting
I do often take the view that the team driving wise is stripped to bare bones
And that by then some of the greater talents had either perished or left
Hill iirc got himself into F1 by demanding a proper seat or he would leave Ferrari in sportscars
Or in a sense he had agreed to drive for Maserati and that effectively forced Enzo to give him an F1 shot so he would stay in their sportscar team
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desert plover
tribal silo
I do often take the view that the team driving wise is stripped to bare bones
I don't think the 1961 team had the same infighting as it happened between 1955 and 1958.
tribal silo
Hill iirc got himself into F1 by demanding a proper seat or he would leave Ferra...
Yes, and he deserved it because he could do quite well on F1, but certainly not a world champion in normal conditions
paper fossil
I don't think the 1961 team had the same infighting as it happened between 1955 ...
In terms of talent I mean
Rather
Musso, Collins, Hawthorn, Gurney, Behra and Brooks all gone by then over a couple of years
Good deal of them for me are better drivers than those two although at least 2 of them very flawed
More so Hawthorn who was very much a man only on his day owing to either just a lack of focus or possibly his debilitating illnesses
tribal silo
Ahh yes, it was far better
paper fossil
Yes well
I think if Von Trips had lived he would have unlikely seen through the great walk out
And then to when Surtees ended up at the Scuderia
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wdym with seen through that
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ah, yeah it seems he was favoured compared to Hill for instance
so no big reason to leave
paper fossil
I think he would have just ended up in the same scenario as Phil
Enzo was a bit of an odd character
meager pewter
Man I love the 7
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Yep
paper fossil
think i have always liked the 8 and 9
10 is when they made a car that virtually had its front and rear wing fall off under braking
it was also ugly
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The MP4-8 is one of the best McLarens made with the best chassis,only got plagued by having a customer Ford V8 engine strapped in
paper fossil
and no dev budget
with sennas silly 16m a year contract
the amount john hogan had to do so other people paid for that is ridiculous
like the chassis and electronics were good
and it had been all done after williams had finished their 93 car late into 92
the car williams had was already out of date they just knew how to set up active, had more hp from the renault and could run more wing
also then they developed it later on
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To think about it,Senna led the championship til Monaco and in the end he got 2nd in the standings ahead of Damon Hill and 26pts behind Prost (compared to the 58pts gap he had to Mansell while finishing 4th in 92')
paper fossil
i mean yeah
not shocking i think
i must say it is often forgotten how broken the car was for Prost at Donington not saying it would have changed the result because Prost didn't take risks in wet after 82
but yes well
they had more issues that year
though mansell would continually claim something was wrong with the car in 1992 to the annoyance of patrick head
typical Nigel stuff
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Sometimes i do compare and say McLaren's 1993 season was just like the 2018 season for RedBull, they had the best chassis of the season but they had pretty much a really weak engine compared to the top rivals
paper fossil
possibly
it has happened countless times
maybe sometimes it is more the driver than the fact the engine advantage is removed and it is down to the chassis
but it says a lot that the two of three non ferrari wins of 61 came at monaco and the nurburgring from Moss in a Lotus
At the Glen Moss was again leading by a mile too when the Ferraris didn't attend after Trips death
till retirement
paper fossil
i mean thing is the 15 probably should have won 00
and Ferrari had been in reality better in 99
obviously they won the WCC but yes
well
mean winning both championships
idle gale
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Flashback to Keith Wiggins trying to open a champagne bottle
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mean winning both championships
I mean,if you consider Eddie Irvine was going hand to hand with Mika Hakkinen,Michael would have really gotten the '99 WDC so easy
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i mean thing is the 15 probably should have won 00
Not really, the F1-2000 really seemed more advanced than the MP4-15, but i think the best comparison is seeing that Schumi won the season while Rubens ended in 4th (46pts behind) and Coulthard being 3rd in the WDC
McLaren still had the engine advantage at the early portion of the season but then the reliability gremlins started for the Mercedes engine
paper fossil
no i believe mclaren had the better car
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Hard to know, because honestly i see Schumi as a guy who can push any car above 100% and win races against better cars
Like his Benetton titles and his campaigns at Ferrari against Williams
paper fossil
i think he had a lot harder job winning 00 than he would have in 99
that can only be speculation
but based on viewing both seasons that is the view i take
maybe it was the schumacher factor and a few doses of mechanical malaise
paper fossil
i think he had a lot harder job winning 00 than he would have in 99
and maybe it can even be argued this has nothing to do with the car peformance
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“Which one of you time travelers moved a chair in 1990 and got Gundam and Macross to sponsor McLaren?”
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“Which one of you time travelers moved a chair in 1990 and got Gundam and Macros...
Slide
I need this
mighty geode
paper fossil
Classic is constituted as 20 years ago
I believe in this channel
Though anything goes would be absolutely fine for me lmao
river cave
I swear, the 2000 F1 season Wikipedia page has done Mika dirty
Why does Mika have the most pixelated, 144p image imaginable
and yet Coulthard gets a 1950's Hollywood actor image
random gulch
lmao
river cave
Alesi also has that (99)
bruh who else has these images
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100% nose
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"Prost was an active and athletic child, who enthusiastically took part in diverse sports, including wrestling, roller skating and football. In doing so he broke his nose several times"
yeah no that makes sense
have you seen the guy?
valid bough
No
high flume
Classic is constituted as 20 years ago
Does 2005-2009 count as classic ?
paper fossil
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Michael Schumacher the goat fr
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Michael Schumacher the goat fr
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https://tenor.com/view/verstappen-max-verstappen-f1-racing-jos-verstappen-gif-14...
Who else?
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https://tenor.com/view/verstappen-max-verstappen-f1-racing-jos-verstappen-gif-14...
Jim Clark:
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https://tenor.com/view/supermax-verstappen-f1-nederland-zandvoort-gif-21797624
Hey this is a pre-2004 chat max doesnt exist yet
Therefore Schumacher goat
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Hey this is a pre-2004 chat max doesnt exist yet
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https://tenor.com/view/thats-my-bad-sorry-about-that-thats-my-fault-my-bad-whoop...
Nah ur good
My original take was a joke
(Even though it’s true)
river cave
Does 2005-2009 count as classic ?
Classic is meant for things 20 years ago and beyond, so 2004 is the limit
however i don't think anyone is going to throw a hissy fit if you include something from like 2005 or 2006
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Yea I mean we are gonna add that stuff eventually
Crazy that soon 2024 will be classic eventually
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FW14C
Really I thought it was the FW14B, as I can’t find anything online with Prost using the FW14C
“Alain Prost testing the Williams-Renault FW-14B in the end of 1992 and Senna testing the tyres specs for 1993 in his Mclaren-Honda MP4/7”
Heinz-Harald Frentzen testing a Tyrrell 020 fitted with a Mugen-Honda V10 and Bridgestone tyres at Suzuka in 1993
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oooh
paper fossil
FW14C?
Don't think that exists
FW15 was a car they finished up around 2-3 rounds to go in 1992
Then when they narrowed the trak, rear tyres and wings for 93 that car got updated to the 15B
The eventual car for the season was the 15C
paper fossil
What are some classic races that are worth watching?
Anything from 97 and 99 is somewhat intriguing
Wet gp in 98 so Britain and Belgium
00 - Germany, Belgium, USA and Japan
modest elm
Twitter
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it's also
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Alesi also has that (99)
his birthday
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happy birthday to Alesi and Stewart 🎂
meager pewter
Yo that's sick lookin'
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Don't think that exists
Yeah that's what I was saying, I couldn't find anything online for that
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J i m C l a r k
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Geez, this looks like something from a movie
meager pewter
8B Lamborghini?
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yup
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north sandBOT
Prost > Senna
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Didn't Mika proceed to completely wreck the McLambo during testing?
Do you mean his Adelaide 1995 crash?
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Do you mean his Adelaide 1995 crash?
Mclaren was in their first year with Mercedes in 1995
They had the MP4/10
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Not sure what crash then
river cave
Do you mean his Adelaide 1995 crash?
no i misremembered it
the Lambo engine exploded while Hakkinen was testing it, he didn't crash
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Ayrton Senna Lotus
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with every Lambo 3512
like i get that on paper it had more power than the factory Ford V8
but given it's reliability issues and the weight, i don't know why Senna was so insistant on wanting that engine for the last couple of races
especially given that in real life after Prost won, Senna won the last two races of the season
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he had something with V12 that's odd
he insisted on Honda switching to a V12 rather than the V10 didn't he
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i mean so do i, i love them even more than people love the screaming V10's
but i wouldn't go with the Lambo
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maybe it was the most reliable V12 they could get their hands on
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it was too heavy, underpowered and blew up too much
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the most reliable per se being the Ferrari, but they wouldn't get it
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maybe it was the most reliable V12 they could get their hands on
it was one of only two V12's on the grid aside from Ferrari
if i really wanted a different engine, i would've tried to pinch Footwork's Mugen engine
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since they were pretty much just the McLaren V10's that were left over from when they moved to the V12
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79eEC4Fpbh0
it is a beautiful sound
that and the Ford HB
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that's the best sounding V12, after they reduced the displacement from 3.5 to 3L
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oh yes
paper fossil
Twitter
past sparrow
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idle gale
If you have a tobacco company as your sponsor back in the days, might as well star in their TV commercial
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBcFDBCWYHM&ab_channel=KnysnaHK2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLT1whSyVSM&ab_channel=FlávioBaccaratFuteboleCarnaval
paper fossil
Twitter
meager pewter
If you have a tobacco company as your sponsor back in the days, might as well st...
PMI did that for China in 2016~ for Kimi and Vettel
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Geez, this looks like something from a movie
"the names Clark, Jim Clark."
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If you have a tobacco company as your sponsor back in the days, might as well st...
Marlboro should've taken advantage of Keke when they had him
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glacial pivot
Six wheel car
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mika hakkinen is cool
buoyant swallow
Is it official?
heady helm
Is it official?
Yes, my dad got it back when they raced
frozen prism
welp unless you got it signed by a driver or something I don't know if you could get a lot of value for it
maybe for a collector of some sort
buoyant swallow
Yes, my dad got it back when they raced
If it's race worn, lmk
heady helm
Not race worn, just bought in a fan shop i think
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Isn't this supposed to be in <#263433849395085313>
Yes my bad
small kettle
Mauro Baldi, Alfa Romeo 183T
"Nah that's a McLaren"
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I always wondered how they let the Alfa Romeos and McLarens both run Marlboro liveries for that time span
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I always wondered how they let the Alfa Romeos and McLarens both run Marlboro li...
McLaren and Ferrari also had Marlboro sponsorship at the same time
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Ferrari didn't have exactly the same Marlboro livery though
almost everyteam had Marlboro sponsorship at the time
some more than others
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Because they paid very well for Formula One
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Alfa Romeo had black wings
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but obviously Murray Walker would talk about the Marlboro car and the.. Marlboro car
sometimes the Marlboro McLaren, so it was a bit clearer
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forgot why Ducarouge left Autodelta for Lotus
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yes maybe, let’s just say Alfa Romeo for ease
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Air Force Gilles
drifting elbow
drifting elbow
🥶
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wrong channel?
drifting elbow
kk
zealous solstice
Air Force Gilles
gilles villeneuve should have gotten a championship win
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but not in that car
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gilles villeneuve should have gotten a championship win
Should he have really though
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gilles villeneuve should have gotten a championship win
He could have won in 1982
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He could have won in 1982
That’s like saying Senna could have won in 1994
We will never actually know the answer
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He was the one who chose to go out again on a set of used tyres during the qualifying tyre era in an effort to beat a Pironi time he was never even going to match
I mean his decision making at the time would have to be questioned because it was beyond routine for him to be doing this
Comes from the previous race result of course and feeling betrayed
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That’s like saying Senna could have won in 1994
Yeah sure, and Senna could win in 1994
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He was the one who chose to go out again on a set of used tyres during the quali...
But it was far more complex
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Yeah sure, and Senna could win in 1994
You sure? Besides, post-Imola, the cars were changed, with there being holes in the engine covers to restrict air and in terms of Williams, the steering column was different, along with the introduction of the FW16B
but then again, the FW16B was produced in accordance with the post-imola changes
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You sure? Besides, post-Imola, the cars were changed, with there being holes in ...
There was such a mess in 1994 that it is hard to be sure but, with Benetton not being strictly legal too, so I think Senna would manage to develop the Williams and could push Schumacher to a mistake. And Hill was a great driver to develop a car, so it might have helped.
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I'm not so sure about that
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It's always hard to tell. But I believe, in both cases, there was a chance,
In 1994 Senna was the best driver, Williams the best team and they could have fought against Schumacher
In 1982 Ferrari was the best car, as it was the fastest and the most reliable turbo. Pironi was more cerebral than Villeneuve but, in raw speed, Gilles was above. As Pironi's personal life was also derailing, Villeneuve could have been better.
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In 1982 Ferrari was the best car, as it was the fastest and the most reliable tu...
But there is also the effects of Imola. Villeneuve was furious at Pironi after the race, and if he had continued, Villeneuve would possibly try and do anything to beat Pironi at all costs, even if it meant doing mistakes that would not only compromise his races, but also his potential chances of winning a world championship
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But there is also the effects of Imola. Villeneuve was furious at Pironi after t...
Thinking about Villeneuve not overrreacting to Pironi's choice at Imola
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hmm....
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Both drivers fell victim of their personal demons that year, Villeneuve redirected his personaal issues to Pironi; Pironi had guilt about Villeneuve plus his personal issues
paper fossil
Villeneuve was never complete enough
He would rather win every lap than get the required results for multiple world championships
His amount of points prior to Zolder says enough
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Sure, but he was improving in 1981 and in 1982 he lost a podium because Ferrari tried a wing they knew it would lead to a DSQ
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Sure, but he was improving in 1981 and in 1982 he lost a podium because Ferrari ...
Silverstone 1981:
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It was Villeneuve, he would never be smooth
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Sure, but he was improving in 1981 and in 1982 he lost a podium because Ferrari ...
I don’t think he was
There was still the same mistakes
I think the optics that the car was a dumpster fire which is not really the whole story helped build up some defence of him
I mean he randomly chucks it off the road at Rio in 82
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I'm not so sure about that
I mean,the 1994 Williams was so good at the late half of the season that even Hill was fighting for the title till the last race
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There is that but then also the fact the Silvestone encounter doesn’t likely pan out like it did
And Michael gains about 3 results to his championship
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Honestly in my opinion, Schumacher only won 1994 and 1995 more due to his skills and race pace more than actually the car being that great (maybe could add that in 1994 Benetton really got the advantage of using TC in a grey area)
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Oh no it was very much strategy
If you watch early 1994 it is why they are so good
Jumping Williams in the pit lane at Brazil comes to mind
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I've seen that the B194 actually had Traction Control, but it wasn't eletronical controlled, instead it used a principle used by Peugeot in LeMans where it was activated based and through air pressure
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I mean they had forms of torque control about
Ferrari literally admitted it at Aida
Actually it rather seems ideal for the team with the worst electronic systems to lobby for their banning and then also run them anyway
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If you watch early 1994 it is why they are so good
Mostly because Benetton exploited not using a filter in their fuel tank,which seemed to make refueling faster
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Meh
Actually that was put down to the supplier
So much they even penned a letter to Mosley saying so
But there is multiple races Benetton and Michael just plan out the gp with the stops
Williams struggled with that conversely
Apart from the last two gp tbh
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And in 1995 Williams and Ferrari really had some bad moments,specially Williams which was actually the best car of the season overall
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Toet has actually spoken about the torque control thing
Far as I can tell sounds legal
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I remember someone dubbed the 1995 season being "Schumacher and the Four Stooges" (The four being Hill, Coulthard, Alesi and Berger)
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And in 1995 Williams and Ferrari really had some bad moments,specially Williams ...
Hill errors, some car failures such as the gearbox and typical Williams operational errors
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Actually that was put down to the supplier
"The filter in question was a late addition to the equipment due to teams finding debris in the valve. But we always cleaned our equipment and never had this problem. If there was anything suspicious about it, we had 2 days until the inspection to put the filter back in, and we didn't" - Steve Matchett
Benetton said officially that a junior employee had removed the filter and been given approval by the rig supplier
I mean good how they learned of this only because Flavio bought Ligier
But naturally refuelling was seen as dangerous and giving the sport some grief so if it was to be a problem it had to be Benettons fault rather than the equipment
As optics would be bad
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The best Jordan of F1 (the 1999 Jordan)
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Too bad Jordan fell so hard and down after that season
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I mean, in long term, Honda didn't had so much big of a success either during the 2000s (except 2004 where BAR really had their best season at all and 2006 with Jenson winning a race)
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Their engines got good especially in 2005 dayum
But then,Honda fell so down during the V8 era (specially 2007,they were just 2pts ahead of Super Aguri)
Still crazy Jordan got a win with Fisichella during the 2003 season at Brazil
That using the previous season's Cosworth engine
One of the things i glad is over is teams having to using rebranded or older engines which are way underpowered
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But then,Honda fell so down during the V8 era (specially 2007,they were just 2pt...
Canada '07. Never forget.
Sato on Alonso
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Sato on Alonso
Anthony Davidson really got so screwed with that pitstop
Super Aguri could've got double points
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Honestly in my opinion, Schumacher only won 1994 and 1995 more due to his skills...
In 1994, I think there might have been some kind of grey area involved, but in 1995 the Benetton had equal engines to Williams, a more mature driver and a reliable second driver, and strategically it was far more superior to Williams
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Still,Williams had considerably the best car,considering Williams did the most poles in that season
What made Hill lose that season was pretty much that most of his retirements were due to accidents or errors
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There was good reasons for it in the latter half of the year
Say Portugal onwards
^
Aida in fact
Very quick car let down by its drivers and operational errors
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I don't love the car visually but I love the technicality of the B194
Just... These yobbos managed to sneak in some aids onto a car which was at points 85hp down on competition and won it
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you can't prove they used them!!
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I mean yeah you can’t
Legally speaking
The best thing is the FIA asking Benetton for their engine mapping source code and Cosworth told the FIA to fuck off because it was their industrial property
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What's sad about 1994 is that Newey actually found what was the problem with the FW16 right before Imola
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and no one fixed it!?!?!?
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What's sad about 1994 is that Newey actually found what was the problem with the...
the car stability problem?
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Yeah,they took the FW16 to the Nogaro Circuit in France and Newey found that the car suffered from aerodynamical stall at the rear
As Newey said to German Auto, Motor & Sport in 2015:
"[The 1994 Nogaro test] ... confirmed that the car's side pods were too long, which meant that the aero was split from the diffuser when the nose of the car dipped and the side-pods got too close to the track."
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and no one fixed it!?!?!?
It was fixed,which is way we had the FW16B and Hill went on fighting Schumacher to the title
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Citation needed though,though there the video of it:
"In addition, at a television program on the 20th anniversary of Imola 1994, Gerhard Berger recalled a conversation he had with Senna at the race in which Senna said: "We are now finally aware of the problem with this car and in two or three weeks from now the problems should be solved."[9] The FW16 indeed became more competitive after this timeframe"
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the car stability problem?
Yes
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you can't prove they used them!!
No not legally but peeps ex hired have talked about how they had it on the car
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The best thing is the FIA asking Benetton for their engine mapping source code a...
Wait hang on... I thought the V8's that weren't McLarens 1993 ones were handled by TWR
Did that change in 1994?
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No not legally but peeps ex hired have talked about how they had it on the car
I mean yeah they had the software
In the system
They all said it couldn’t be activated and definitely not by the driver at all
It is your choice to believe what you want and certainly there was a sense of unease among the paddock about it
I need to find that Toet thing again
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Wait hang on... I thought the V8's that weren't McLarens 1993 ones were handled ...
Presumably so idk
I would have thought the effective works Ford team in 93 being Benetton would have their engines handled by Cosworth mind you
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I would have thought the effective works Ford team in 93 being Benetton would ha...
Granted this is a Wiki on the HB but in 1993 Cosworth took over McLaren's engine management alone as the rest were handled by Grand Prix Engine Services owned by Tom Walkinshaw
So Cosworth saw that conflict of interest
Granted McLaren had TAG in there too
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Classic Ron Dennis moment
I didn’t know that tbh
Tom was at Benetton at the time too
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Ngl I would have thought Lotus would be dealing with Cosworth too
Given how much in debt they were to them by the end
Might have built up in 93 tbh and then was an obvious problem during 94
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why didn't they go through with it?
Other than it the power increase not being seen to outweigh the weight and thirst increase
It had a Crank weakness
But was known as the VB
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Yeah the V12 tbh had a short shelf life for its positives
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Cosworth planned it for 1992/1993
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Ferrari saw it eventually
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shame, seems like Cosworth was bad at anything that wasn't a V8
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I wonder if that V12 was intended for WSC too
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it was also them who designed the GBA wasn't it
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Then Jaguar quit anyway
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it was also them who designed the GBA wasn't it
ya
Which was also a massive investment in Electronic work for Ford
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oh my bad i thought Benetton ditched it asap, but they used it in 87
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Except that one Bruce ran in the early 60s
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ye
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67-99, 03 I should say
Excluding Ford branding the engine of the same company they now owned
From 00-04
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Oh yeah Cosworth were owned by Audi for some reason
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when?
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Until 98 from when it started idk
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In September 1998, Vickers sold Cosworth to Audi. Audi kept the engineering, manufacturing and casting unit which it called Cosworth Technology and sold the race engine division, Cosworth Racing, and its electronics division, Pi Research, to Ford.[1] In December 2004, Audi announced that it sold Cosworth Technology to Mahle GmbH.[5] Cosworth Technology was then renamed as MAHLE Powertrain on 1 July 2005.[6]
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Oh
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They basically bought The manufacturing bit to turn into MAHLE powertrain
Like straight pilfered
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Confusion
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So what the hell did Ford get when it bought Cosworth
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samre
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They got 2 divisions out of 3
I do find it funny that Ford bankrolled Cosworths' efforts formost of their existence and then as soon as they buy them out they plunge it
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Jackie smh
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I know Fords' track record around then was ugh but
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Ford’s track record in motorsport was up and down
If we speak about that
Jackie had somewhat got them back on track with Stewart
But then they all fucked it up
The people that turned up after the deal was done at Montreal in 99 were insufferable
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they should have bought the team but kept the executive part
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just, put more money in, and get the PR off it
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He really tried his hardest
Listen to Gary Anderson I think
About how ridiculous the race team was
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shows what would have happened to Ferrari if they had actually sold to Ford lol
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Well idk
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same gigantic bureaucracy
people form the main company stuffing their nose for no reason
micro managing the operations
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I only know about Ford in its relationship to the Stewart team and Jaguar
And supply of the Cosworth built engines
I mean icl Ford didn’t even meet Jackies requirement for buying the team at least 2-3 times
Should have known they weren’t really on the same page
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I just think it shows that like... A full brand bought and owning the whole thing of a team is a bit rocky
Kinda like Toyota
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Owning it is fine
You just put the best people on it
And don’t have the kind of hierarchy Toyota did
Seems to have gone better in WEC
and that is the still operating in Cologne
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Different beast tbf
But they nearly got there
The engine was utter trash in 09
Because everyone else was just bypassing the freeze
All the guys who migrated to other teams said their car looked good on the numbers once they realised what everyone else had
Line up would have likely let them down I think
If you can’t get Raikkonen, Button or Kubica
Eh
Dernie tbf says if they had Alonso in 2009 they would have won GP early on
They bloody should have if not for messing about in Aus 09
Much like how Rosberg stupidly lost himself a chance at a podium in the least maybe win by getting stuck behind Raikkonen
Poor stop also
Put him behind him twice
I love that grand prix
Underrated classic I think
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Ew 2009
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Nah good gp
Because of the tyres
08 tbh much the same
Australia used to produce some decent races
I think the best thing they probably had was that step between the two tyres for the first part of 2009
And 97 when your selection of tyres was locked in after practice
Who would have known controlling tyres like one of if not the most important parts of a gp car would change things
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Nah good gp
Well this is more reflective of my absolute disposition toward 2009 rule changes
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2010 has some really dull races though
Because the tyres are rock hard
It is an easier watch for me personally
Yeah but you try inwash like they had and you had just as many problems
I think the focus on aerodynamics is a bit over the top
Go back to the late 60s and even in the early days it is absolutely the opinion of the top drivers it has already ruined things
Rindt does at least 2-3 letters on it
It is more about adding variables to the formula than pleasing a certain crowd with overtaking
They opened up pandora’s box with aerofoils
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Well yeah I would agree that More overtaking = good isn't a great argument
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Quality of them might somewhat matter more
But again that is the power of the driver
Too
To make it that good
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YEah, granted I can recognise nostalgia but you can see like trains and stuff for one decisive overtake that alters things drastically before the rules focus was massively shifted to OVertaking
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I honestly didn’t see the positive to the 09 rules being overtaking and the thinking was flawed anyway so idk why they thought that was an aim
I just like those cars
And the competition
Also as I said I really liked that step between two selected tyres
You can fallback on three now
And although there is a rare occasion the two preferred might be a step between it isn’t as fun
We stepped into that desire for control of the suppliers now
Bit of a shame
And tbh I liked the 11-13 pirellis
Like again it is a very organic way of creating overtakes and also strategic elements
Up to the teams to sort it out also
DRS is a bit too erm overpowering when it works and just seems like an inevitability on track rather than being down to a driver or teams efforts to produce an overtake
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I just like those cars
Well then this might just be an issue of taste]
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Bit of a shame
that too
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Definitely problems with outwash
Undeniably
Looks I didn’t mind
I think the overall formula and teams that were in the sport made it good though
And looking past the FIA ignoring double diffusers which somewhat got sorted out kind of
I think the rules were fine
Something new enough
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When you have an inwash car you force the car to at least deal with all the air further down the car they use rather than shove it somewhere else
But to make my bias clear... I utterly despise how those cars look
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2010 sadly suffered
From the fuel tank and tyres
2011-2013 (up to mid point)
All fairly good though
As a product
2014 I still believe is the most enjoyable hybrid era season for me
Shockingly
I just can’t get behind actively watching over 2021 again because it has those same problems 2007 and 2010 have where the title battle is there but it is all just in moments rather than solid grand prixs
That are classics
1999, 2003, 2008 and 2012 all rank fairly high as seasons where the title is decided at the last compared to 21
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2003 was better
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8 different drivers winning the races of the season and Kimi almost winning the title
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That I can watch
Or have done so if you will
Tinge of nostalgia for sure but like the elements are all there
1 in a million year you would get I think as a championship
It might be that all the drivers perform so under their best at points in the year
In fact Hamilton and Massa continuously across the year
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2008 still for me the greatest
yeaaaa babye
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2010 had a great championship battle.
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2012 was good
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craggy ember
Would Michael ahve won 1999 if not for his leg? how close was the championship before Silverstone because I remember than Hakkinen really should've walked 1998 based on how fast his McLaren was
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Would Michael ahve won 1999 if not for his leg? how close was the championship b...
we can't say. he had the car and the pace, as he often had
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2010 has some really dull races though
2010 is quite the strange season
on paper it should have looked like it was a very exciting season
but when you look at the races themselves they are a bit underwhelming
especially the championship finale
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Would Michael ahve won 1999 if not for his leg? how close was the championship b...
McLaren still had the superior car
but if Mika still suffered as much retirements and made the mistakes he did in our timeline
Michael would have won
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Would Michael ahve won 1999 if not for his leg? how close was the championship b...
With the pressure Mika had beating Schumacher and McLaren/Hakkinen errors I am almost sure he would have won the championship
Only have to look at qualifying
In Sepang
And the race
He’s lightyears ahead
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Mika gears himself up for Suzuka but across the race once Mika jumps him off the line Michael is there or thereabouts
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hello! i am trying to find a platform where i can watch old races from 1990-2000.. do u know any platform?
willow gorge
f1tvpro
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Would Michael ahve won 1999 if not for his leg? how close was the championship b...
Honestly,i think the fact Irvine actually went on fighting Mika till the last race might be proof enough that Michael could've won the title more easily
Michael's 1999 is just like Senna's 1994,a big exercise of theorizing whether or not both could've won the title given that their teammates went to fight for the title in their absence
One thing must be said, without Mika Salo, Ferrari would've lost the constructors as well
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2010 is quite the strange season
What makes 2010 interesting is the fact that it's a season with a load of new things
The funny thing is that in other points systems, Irvine could've actuall won the title
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That time Williams had Mecachrome engines
https://youtu.be/j3tcfQnTpZE?si=T-L7Z5Asju5811sy
1998 and 1999 were such meme years for Williams
In 98' they were almost under threat from Jordan and Benetton for 3rd
And in 99' they finished behind Jordan and Stewart in 5th
Williams literally used the rebadged 1997 engine during those years,only with very minimal horsepower gains
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Well, technically speaking, Williams had the Supertec engines during the 1999 season along with BAR and Benetton
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Supertec is also rebadged RS9 Renault engines
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Briatore and Bruno Michel led company
Think what they got went back to Renault once they rejoined as a manufacturer
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I love that FW21
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I like both the Winfield liveries
i personally prefered the first 1998 one
i didn't like the blue they splashed in on the '99 car
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Few things here and there and they could have had an engine deal up to 2009
Weirdly enough that being when they quit anyway
I mean that is basically what James Allen says at the time during 2003
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Well,Williams refused BMWs deal to buy the team but in the end BMW didn't do wonders with Sauber
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That was more about winning the world championship
If they had done so they would have secured a new deal for much longer
Would have been hard for them to just back out of it no matter what
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I mean,can't blame Williams that much
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Well,Williams refused BMWs deal to buy the team but in the end BMW didn't do won...
I would say taking an also-ran team and making them the 3rd best team within a year is pretty good going tbh
They definitely changed the perception about what Sauber could achieve if they knocked a few more heads together and strived for better
But then that got completely shat on with the number of financial capitulations of the team during the mid 2010s which eventually saw it sold off to Longbow
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2000 to 2002 they didn't have a car that could fight a title.
2003 Ferrari complained about the Michelin tyres and nerfed Williams and everyone who used them
2004 they went with the Walrus nose and pretty much Honda made a really great car and Renault started to become a top 3 team
And in 2005 they had a really weak line-up
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Idk about weak line up
Maybe worse overall than Ferrari and McLaren
Webber and Heidfeld were both better than Fisichella
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Webber and Heidfeld/Pizzonia ain't really a nice line-up
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Definitely more for Williams to think about in that period though rather than BMW
but hadn’t that always been their self destruction factor
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It's like Boutsen-Patrese
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Nah
I think that is worse
Patrese doing more of the heavy lifting
Boutsen showing up when he can but he’s not brilliant
And that is why he ends up at Ligier
Heidfeld and Webber went onto BMW Sauber and Red Bull
And flirted with top drives again and again towards the end of their careers
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but hadn’t that always been their self destruction factor
Anyway I think as time went on you got more sharper teams and mainly team bosses than someone like Frank Williams who quite frankly was a bit shit
Worse with money than anyone but some decisions he made were a bit insane really looking back
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Williams really wasn't a brilliant team sometimes
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Countless times heard people say Patrick Head was the man
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They lost Hill,Villenueve and Newey in just 3 years
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But also the striking differences between Williams and McLaren
You mainly get it off Blundell
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Though,i gotta say Hill and Villenueve titles were more due to them getting into a Newey designed car which is like finding gold
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Definitely more Hill
Villeneuve’s car had more problems in set up and its developments were poor
Amongst a background of animosity in the race operation of Williams
But again he also made mistakes
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Villeneuve’s car had more problems in set up and its developments were poor
The result of Newey quitting Williams that season
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Though Ferrari did improve the F310 into the F310B and Schumacher as we know, pushed it into a title fight and it didn't end well...
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It was rather a Williams copy
But a massive improvement on the F310
Which looked like a 3 piece couch
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Yeah,they did replicate what Williams did with the protection like i explained their error in 1996
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Barnard should have packed up and gone home a while before that I think
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Barnard went very conservative and took the 1996 cockpit side protection safety rule too much literal while Newey and the other teams found a loophole to produce very slim and low cockpit sides
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95 car was pretty decent
But I don’t buy much into Michael saying it would be easier to have won 95
In it
I think a good reason he won that title easily as it was, is the fact he was the best driver on the grid by far
In the aftermath of Sennas death
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Barnard went very conservative and took the 1996 cockpit side protection safety ...
Another error was that the F310 was the only car who still had the low front nose setup in part of the season
They switched to a high nose at Canada i believe
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Even more horrendous
It was like the Forti and proposed DAMS car had a child as one journalist has since said
On a podcast
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I think a good reason he won that title easily as it was, is the fact he was the...
I mean, it's pretty much like the anecdote i've seen someone saying about this and the 1995 season
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I mean there is also Benetton strategy again
Same as 94
Hill errors and car failures
I don’t think Damon has too much to shout though
He had like those 3 great weekends across the year and the rest of the time was clear 2nd best
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I mean, it's pretty much like the anecdote i've seen someone saying about this a...
Schumacher/Verstappen is the best driver and with the best strategical team but Williams/McLaren has the best car but it's drivers commit errors
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What was it Argentina, San Marino and Australia
Hungary I suppose
He liked that a lot
There is also the narrative that DC within like a year is already faster
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Like i said,someone dubbed the 1995 season as "Schumacher and the Four Stooges" (the four being Hill,Coulthard,Alesi and Berger)
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If not maybe close to being the better driver
Already
Alesi who would turn up to 6 grand prix weekends a year and then dip yeah
That Alesi
Suzuka is an hilarious tale
If you need that much adversity to start driving your nuts off dear me
Where was that guy during 1991-1994
Crap cars here and there but he was pretty underwhelming against Prost
That seemed to be the conclusion at the time
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There is also the narrative that DC within like a year is already faster
There was some moments in DC's career where he really went got to beat his teammates
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There is also him saying the F92A was brilliant
and Ferrari just ignoring Capellis worries as a result
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There was some moments in DC's career where he really went got to beat his teamm...
Specially the 2001 season where he really made a big result against Mika
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And I don’t know what to make of a rather disjointed and baffling partnership of Alesi-Berger from 93-97
Like those as your two drivers
There is a lot to say when picking out the stats you can say one goes to Alesi and the other to Berger
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At least both got some wins and podiums
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They were far too even and inconsistent and that is the problem
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Specially the 2001 season where he really made a big result against Mika
Half of 2000 tbh
He’s got it over Mika
Parts in 99
He’s definitely shading Mika in 97
I can’t believe they only finished 4th in WCC
bloody Ilmor
The 97 Benetton is absolutely terrible
Only really worked in low drag set ups
Otherwise it would struggle quite often in qualifying
Sensitive to the tyres as well that is for sure
But then it does things like not suffering the tyre blisters in Barcelona
And Alesi is 3rd
Which is good considering the Bridgestones have a massive advantage
distant garnet
Reminds me that i'm replaying a actual F1 manager type of game made for the PS1 only in Japan about the 1996 season and there's second one about the 1997 season
paper fossil
Jean definitely needed some more grounding at Tyrrell
But also a much more challenging teammate
Nakajimas sell by date was definitely out by then
Like everyone was almost sure Jean would slay Prost in qualifying a man who had been known to prioritise the Sunday during grand prix weekends
But he didn’t
Don’t believe he got close to the margins Senna had over Nakajima either though that needs a grain of salt because Satoru was rather on a hiding to nothing there
kind oyster
wary oak
Ummm this Ferrari looks different... maybe it doesn't belong in F1!
Imagine Ferrari leaving F1 and moving to IndyCar. It almost happened
meager pewter
mmmm, Lotus Imdycar
paper fossil
I'm almost sure it was later deemed an urban legend, as it wasn't Ron the guilty...
Yeah it was Nick Gooze who worked with Jochen back in his early F2 days who actually put his hand up for this
I actually don’t know if Brabham was aware of it during the whole GP
but safe to say the understanding of fuel running was still shit back then
So not much you could do
Especially with a 13.5 second lead or something he had before all that
paper fossil
most certainly not upscaled
sour moon
Idk what upscaled means i just thought it looked good
idle gale
Ah yes. The Brabham with a monster of a BMW engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXD-fAW9Rvw&ab_channel=AidanMillward
past drift
the fuel was?
meager pewter
the fuel was?
Toluene
It's physically dense which is good when your fuel is measured by Volume, it's fuel stoichiometry is fairly lean at 13.5:1 with a higher energy density of 40.6mj/kg, and it's biggie was especially in MON (higher temperature/stress testing) the Octane rating was much much higher
At 107MON... So Teams used to pass as much Toluene into the fuel mix as possible whilst keeping to the 102RON rating
paper fossil
i mean thing is they had this set octane level
and the only time brabham went above it was in some very highly debated outside tests
to which enzo had to ignore at the end of 1983 and settle for the wcc because he well knew it wouldn't hold up in any court
paper fossil
past drift
is that Liam Gallagher
paper fossil
😭
languid trout
is that Liam Gallagher
you mean the one the left?