classic-motorsport

[paper fossil]

i believe when he was talking about the dfv

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/JUymD9iUDC0?si=k_zzC1e9kpqPcPVi

I love Berger's onboard coz he revs the crap out of em on downshift

I'm pretty sure safe valvetrain speeds went above redlines because of this man

https://youtu.be/x14pI69z4Gw?si=xUOIHkTg-wG8AixA

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https://youtu.be/-FXg5ppMyDA

[fleet wigeon]

Ivan capelli onboard 1989 mexico city

[wary oak]

https://youtu.be/cmXUxTgag8M?feature=shared

[oblique dock]

Alan Jones

[indigo phoenix]

A nice Shadow

[desert terrace]

A white Shadow

[paper fossil]

An interesting thing done by one of my friends https://docs.google.com/file/d/1P8fiskTnFW5ziNAx3tHcDenvcbVKn2L7/edit?usp=docslist_api&filetype=mspresentation

Would sure make some people mad

[indigo phoenix]

Objectively funny as hell

Also ty for the page of Alan quotes

Very appreciated very needed

Also cute how the Rosbergs ended up next to each other according to your friend

[wooden cove]

lmao fr

[north sand]

Congrats @wary oak, you're now on lap 10

[fleet wigeon]

Rare forti onboard footage

[paper fossil]

Can see why

[wise dirge]

26th 💀

[oblique dock]

The last car in F1 to use an H-pattern manual box

[idle gale]

Forgot that Okayama had an F1 race. Though not as the Japanese Grand Prix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfB3hpNj9v0&ab_channel=TyDyeRacingGaming

[oblique dock]

The cars looked so good going round the final corner

[wary oak]

How many world championships are in this video? I counted ||20||

[sour moon]

Jacques Laffite always with the jokes lmao

My 🐐 🗣️

[wooden cove]

keke not knowing what to say gets me lmao

[paper fossil]

20?

11

At the time Senna and Prost weren’t WC’s either

Oh

Championships

I see

[past drift]

haha the dork

[oblique dock]

Johnny Cecotto

Never did much in F1, but a champion on bikes and touring cars

underrated legend

[jade saffron]

Its actually interesting that yk about him

[jade saffron]

Agreed

[oblique dock]

Man was a force to be reckoned with in the touring car world

[jade saffron]

Sad

he did good tho

People say he would had kept on racing on F1 atleast till the end of the year

if it wasnt for a crash he had in the 1984 british GP

[desert terrace]

Senna's teammate in 1984
Broke his legs at Brands Hatch 1984, which is why Stefan Johansson stayed in F1

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/v54SzH8OzdU?si=bVeIH5Hh9hRZbkgF

[jade saffron]

Yep

he was promising

in his 2nd race at f1 he did a p6

tho it was hes only ever point finish...

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/yBrk1-OgCMk?feature=shared

[desert terrace]

this is his last race right

[oblique dock]

Before Imola? Yes.

[paper fossil]

1962 German Grand Prix

[carmine kindle]

Graham hill had a good barber

[paper fossil]

Context behind this image is that Graham had a shunt during practice on the Friday when the privately entered Porsche of Carel Godin de Beaufort had its onboard camera fall off

Graham trying to avoid hitting it with his tyre went over it into a massive spin

I think iirc he hit it at a point that made oil leak

Jim Clark, Graham Hill and Raymond Mays are looking at the discarded film and camera

He would go onto win this GP in the BRM P57

[idle gale]

Perhaps the only time Michael rolled his car in a crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpZJcRNbQP0&ab_channel=scuderia01

[meager pewter]

Fr

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/jFzMsukGHXI?feature=shared

[paper fossil]

Mike Earle on Jean-Pierre Van Rossem destroying the Onyx-Porsche deal

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/gZTBhrVy_mU?feature=shared Suzuka qualifying 10 years prior

[sour moon]

This reminds me I need to look into tickets for the GP France Historical

They race in old F1, F2 and F3 cars from the 80s

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/ZdExtjT_1k0?feature=shared

Ooooo I spot a Superleague Formula car in the thumbnail

[sour moon]

This year we’ll have Senna’s 91 McLaren

And Schumacher and Lauda era Ferrari 🤩

https://www.grandprixdefrancehistorique.com/programme

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https://youtu.be/8SjJZ4gqQHI?feature=shared

[meager pewter]

Duuude the Minardi right at the end

[oblique dock]

I managed to find fan footage of the 1987 Japanese Grand Prix, plus additional paddock footage

https://youtu.be/_u8g2uJxaLc?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/hOimB8xg7Sw?feature=shared

And the quality is pretty good for 1987

[oblique dock]

The M191 is my favorite Minardi

[meager pewter]

Mmm, I have to say my bias is the 192 for Lambo reasons... But by that point the Lambo sounded moreorless the same

It's such a good noise

[oblique dock]

Oh yeah, did you check out the amateur footage of the 1987 Japanese Grand Prix I sent

[meager pewter]

?

[oblique dock]

Is there a problem?

[meager pewter]

I meant is it these?

[oblique dock]

Oh, yeah it’s those

[meager pewter]

Right, imma need a minute

[meager pewter]

By a Minute I mean 3 hours I guess

[idle gale]

The F1 broadcast opening I remember growing up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0G_iMa6T_0Y&ab_channel=vertigo8

[random rose]

Greatest F1 hair ever and the Greatest F1 driver (for me)

[meager pewter]

There aren't many rivals for hair for exclusively f1 imo

There's like... James Hunt, Alain Prost, and that one time Lewis brushed out his hair

And Gio, and Gio

Nevermind

[oblique dock]

Siegfried Stohr

[meager pewter]

That fringe is crazy

[random rose]

He didnt realize ken had that lol

[oblique dock]

The Tyrrell crew and Fittipaldi

[meager pewter]

The Fittipaldi 70's cut is signature but I'm not a fan

[indigo phoenix]

I'm a big fan of whatever tf was going on with this hair

Look at it in it's lil ponytail

[meager pewter]

Now he's thinned out a bit unfortunately

[indigo phoenix]

It’s a shame

[idle gale]

Worst Ferrari car? Hmm.... I don't know about that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q14d40a6tvU&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[past drift]

i’d argue their 1973 is the worst

[past drift]

man bun man bun

[wary oak]

i'd argue their 1980 is the worst

[past drift]

hmm true there's that one

[wary oak]

then 1973 second worst

[past drift]

from WCC to 10th

just Ferrari things

[wary oak]

Only Ferrari could do that

Lol

10 failures on 14 races

[past drift]

when reliability was their strong point

[paper fossil]

The 1980 car was not ideal

[past drift]

makes you wonder how they managed to win 79

[indigo phoenix]

Jody good, car somewhat miraculous

[paper fossil]

Well the T4 took advantage of the benefits to ground effect as much as it could

It was reliable and had about 40+ hp on the DFV’s

It was never really the fastest car on the grid that season tbh

We will ignore the previous seasons non ground effects car they ran earlier in the season as well

What they did end up doing with the car was just making it a wings car

Same as the Lotus 79 the previous season

That probably is the reason it ended up doing so badly in 80 too

Because Ferrari couldn’t get the venturi effect to work with the flat 12

It just kept having its airflow interrupted by the width of the car

[past drift]

yeah probably a kind of 79, only good for one year

good enough rather.

[paper fossil]

Well Ligiers car development went nowhere

Williams managed to gain seconds of time with one attachment to the rear of the car in Silverstone

But because of dropped scores couldn’t challenge

And Depailler injured himself just when he got into the lead of championship

The Renault was completely unreliable

About covers it

[paper fossil]

🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 JYS and 🇦🇹 Jochen Rindt

1969 British GP

[wary oak]

Who spun in the background? Lol

Also happy birthday michael schumacher

[paper fossil]

Villeneuve

Probably

I assume this is Britain 81

Where he takes out 2 other cars from memory

Jones and De Cesaris

[wary oak]

Yeah, Didier Pironi (FRA) Ferrari 126 CK, leads Nelson Piquet (BRA) Brabham, whilst Gilles Villeneuve (CDN) Ferrari, spins as a result of a collision with Alan Jones (AUS) Williams, both cars retired from the race.

[paper fossil]

*Gilles spun on his own at the exit of the of the old woodcote chicane

That collected Jones

De Cesaris spun in trying to avoid a slowing Watson

[wary oak]

https://youtu.be/lCH_h9PqpUI?feature=shared&t=92

Yeah true

[paper fossil]

A wild man

I don’t think that ever changed

He could take the car by the scruff sure

But he tried to win a gp every lap

That is why Jody won 1979

Jody finished all but two ends of 79 gps

Scored in 12 gp

[wise dirge]

https://fxtwitter.com/Big_Data_Master/status/1742659583540166721?t=Q9Ezc0-ws3Dpim369un8Cw&s=19

😭😭

[woven zinc]

jesus

[idle gale]

If I remember correctly, Ligier got worse when Prost bought the team. In fact, way worse than HAAS in the 2021 season

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ0hmrcu7h8&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[paper fossil]

it got worse in 98

when Peugeot supplied the engine and stopped trying

Prost were maligned with serious car issues which probably got further enhanced by the new regulations and the season became damage limitation

[desert terrace]

oh yeah i love de cesaris

[desert terrace]

this lmao - and it just fell apart from there

[paper fossil]

https://fxtwitter.com/glennfreeman39/status/1742854534681006381?s=46

[idle gale]

The "Party Team"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1VauYA6SnY&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[paper fossil]

i think Anthony Horsley "Bubbles" described the team as being professional on the racing side but also being professional on the party side

[indigo phoenix]

Oh to be an attendee of a Hesketh party

[round swift]

W pfp bro

[random rose]

SEBASTIAN VETTEL YOU ARE THE WORLD CHAMPION, THE WORLD CHAMPION

[paper fossil]

no

[oblique dock]

wrong era

[wary oak]

F2004 is a classic now 😢

[indigo phoenix]

😭 Damn

[wary oak]

brb let me go cry for a sec

[upbeat gate]

Pre-season R24

[oblique dock]

and so is the bar-honda 006

the same car that button took his maiden pole in and the same car that takuma sato took his maiden podium in

[upbeat gate]

Monaco when Schumacher bottles himself

[oblique dock]

Spa when Kimi Raikkonen won in a mediocre Mclaren

[indigo phoenix]

Kimi at McLaren was something else

[indigo phoenix]

🫠 soon the first memories I have of F1 will be “classic” and I don’t wanna think about that

[upbeat gate]

Soon in 2025, 2005 will be a disasterous classic

[oblique dock]

Oh yeah.

When Montoya clocked the fastest lap at Monza.

[upbeat gate]

Yikes

Forget to reply

[upbeat gate]

(Not really)

[upbeat gate]

When Montoya wins in Brazilian Grand Prix (2005) as his final F1 win

[indigo phoenix]

I don’t like this 😭

[upbeat gate]

YIKES

[oblique dock]

Barrichello's lap record at Monza

[indigo phoenix]

My earliest earliest real F1 memory is Kimi at Suzuka in 05

But there is a picture of me with the race on from 04 so 🫠

Age hath become me

[upbeat gate]

Raikkonen's lap record at Spa (2004-2005)

[upbeat gate]

Oooooooooooo

[indigo phoenix]

Michael is winning and I am sitting on the floor doing god knows what and wow I don’t like thinking about how long it’s been since 2004

[oblique dock]

I was born while he was busy winning

[upbeat gate]

Too bad he destroy his win record in Monaco

[oblique dock]

At least Trulli won

....and then got fired later on after Magny Cours

[upbeat gate]

(First few record)

[indigo phoenix]

Is Jarno still doing his lil wine thing these days

I think so

[upbeat gate]

And Jacques "hairless" Villeneuve replaced him

[oblique dock]

Yup

[indigo phoenix]

Trulli followed by Jacques is truly such a sequence ever

[indigo phoenix]

Went from all hair to no hair

[upbeat gate]

From shit to worst

[indigo phoenix]

We need drivers bold enough to do this hairstyle again

[oblique dock]

Who in today's grid would most likely pull this off

[upbeat gate]

Hulkenberg

[indigo phoenix]

I think Max should do it

[upbeat gate]

Here's Franck Montagny, ex-Super Aguri driver in 2006, testing the R24

[woven zinc]

the F2002 is still better tho

[wary oak]

Hehe, no

[woven zinc]

I'm sorry that just a fact 😭

plus it won a greater percentage of the races than the F2004 so yeah

[wary oak]

2004 Monaco flashbacks

I think that was Schumacher’s best season at Ferrari

[woven zinc]

true...

I just think that the F2002 looks better, it looks so much sleeker and nicer

[wary oak]

Honestly they both look similar to me. The only reason I can tell them apart is the front wing, its more sharpy looking on the F2004, like shark fins/teeth

[woven zinc]

idk the rear looks stockier plus the rear wing feels kinda bigger too

[wary oak]

Oh probably, the first thing I look at is the front wing and I can tell the difference

[kind flower]

hard to imagine they then messed up 2005 so badly

[wary oak]

it wasn't really the chassis of the car that was so bad, it was the tyres

[quasi remnant]

also the engine cover on the f2002 is more i guess vertical

[night hare]

For me it's the boxy vs flowy sidepods

[woven zinc]

yeah and more curved which I really like

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/oPGGhAn6JAc?feature=shared

[idle gale]

The last Williams car that scored a 1-2 finish

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/-KnQfQ1O4yU?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/vEunLMaNVD0?feature=shared

[wary oak]

Williams FW15D

[past drift]

it’s odd seeing a 15 with Rothmans livery

[wary oak]

How come?

I'm guessing they already had them as the sponser as this was in early 1994 testing

same one! ^

[wary oak]

https://youtu.be/-nHn9X8xmo8?feature=shared

Alessandro Zanardi at the 1993 Belgium Grand Prix. His crash in practice was so bad, his team thought he was died!

"The paddock gravely feared that the worst fate had befallen the Italian – his team even had his car transported out of the country in case he died and a criminal investigation began."

Not to mention that Michael Andretti was right behind him and missed him, but then Senna couldn't and spun into the barriers.

[past drift]

yeah it doesn’t have the very curved beam wing

[wary oak]

Has anyone heard of the 'Weikershof Protocol'? It surfaced after the 1993 British Grand Prix when the FIA, amazed by the advanced car technology, aimed to prohibit various driver aids like traction control and active suspension. They planned for an immediate ban but ended up delaying it until the beginning of the 1994 season.

Zanadri's crash was also to an active suspension failure, and possibly one of the many reasons it was banned for the beginning of the 1994 season.

[meager pewter]

That's the 15D isn't it?

[idle gale]

The Monaco GP where Jack crashed at the last corner.... on the last lap!

[paper fossil]

Stephen South

[wary oak]

Yup

[ripe magnet]

they look the same

except for the barge boards and the anhedral rear wing

[oblique dock]

The cockpit openings from the onboard views are the same, too

[oblique dock]

Wait a minute, is that the All of Me album cover in your pfp?

[ripe magnet]

yeah

the coolest guy ever

most underrated artist ever

[oblique dock]

Masayoshi Takanaka

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/DM2kYIyqTP4?feature=shared

Masahiro Andoh

[ripe magnet]

https://youtu.be/cTDK5Bluh5A?si=O16eACh9iIxJ8CqL

I don’t think you can get any cooler than this

this is peak

[oblique dock]

Takanaka also played with Issei Noro of Casiopea once

[ripe magnet]

Takanaka also played with Santana

[oblique dock]

Just to keep this channel back on the right track and just so we won’t get warned, here’s Jean Alesi https://youtu.be/8lFdiGbVEwI?feature=shared

This lap from him is still fantastic to watch

[ripe magnet]

take a gander at the low downforce rear wing prototype Williams tested in 1997 at monza

[oblique dock]

Oh sweet jesus

That’s just as radical as Mclaren’s high nose MP4/5B they used at Monza 7 years prior

[ripe magnet]

😭🙏

what is this

abomination

no way someone at McLaren headquarters green lighted this

[oblique dock]

Oh, it’s real.

[ripe magnet]

take a sneak peek of the halo alternative which was dubbed the aero screen which was tested by vettel at the 2017 British GP practice

[oblique dock]

You mean 2017

[oblique dock]

Dallara ran a high nose setup for their F191 in 1991, and it looked considerably better than what Mclaren tried doing

[ripe magnet]

yeah

I have that car on asseto corsa

[ripe magnet]

I think benetton and brabham as well as footwork had raised noses

[oblique dock]

Eh

Meanwhile Tyrrell continued using their high nose concept for the 020

https://i0.wp.com/thejudge13.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/dm_tyrrell020_modena.jpg?ssl=1

[oblique dock]

Still my favorite looking Tyrrell

[ripe magnet]

remember that one time Gordon Murray made a crap car so he tried to take credit for the mp4/4 so he could cover up how bad the bt56 was

[oblique dock]

That wasn’t the car

That’s the 1987 brabham

[oblique dock]

That’s the one

[ripe magnet]

bt55

slawg really tried to redeem himself

[oblique dock]

I mean at least he was responsible for the Brabham BT52 and the Mclaren F1 road car

[ripe magnet]

he wasn’t much of an engineer or an aerodynamicist

he just lead a team of people that were more talented than him

[desert terrace]

he had ideas and not much else
that's how almost all entrepreneurs worked

[past drift]

if tou check interviews of him on the topic he says it was Nichol’s car mostly

[stark bolt]

Hawt

[paper fossil]

I mean I can’t think of anyone else who was doing the aerodynamic work for Brabham at the time

He very much was one of those

[paper fossil]

One of only four times this happened in the world championship era

[indigo phoenix]

Argentina 1977 was good.

[past drift]

brawn, alfa romeo and ?

(+wolf obviously)

[paper fossil]

Mercedes at Reims

1954

[past drift]

ah yes

[oblique dock]

And then there was Toyota's tribute to Roland on one of their 94-CV's at le mans

[desert terrace]

RIP Roland Ratzenberger - it's been almost 20 years

And Senna too

[covert basalt]

you mean almost 30 😥

[desert terrace]

yeah

[covert basalt]

im making an animated short film for the 30th aniversary

sort of like a tribute

[idle gale]

The way Michael slides into Turn 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGDMyqz3kdo&ab_channel=BarneyWard

[past drift]

😬

[meager pewter]

I'd say that's a bit rich coz the BT55's concept worked

The aerodynamic benefit of it's package did the job it was designed for

[past drift]

it's just the engine tilt that made it bad

[meager pewter]

Well the engine tilt yes but also Gordon and Weismann made the gearbox low as they would for the 4/4 and that had reliability issues too

[paper fossil]

Reminds me of Neweys demands for the MP4-20

[paper fossil]

When Villeneuve met the press, he did not pull his punches. 'First, you can't win a race like that, by cheating on your team-mate. Second, in Ferrari we always said that if we are leading the race after mid-distance, drivers must not fight with each other. We have to use our heads. Do you think this is what Pironi did today? To act like this he must feel like he has his back covered, there's no other explanation. I don't know what he was thinking but if he wants war, I'll give him war.' Villeneuve could not believe his ears when Pironi later said that there were no team orders. The fact that Piccinini then confirmed Didier's words made him even more angry. The feud between the Ferrari drivers quickly became the talk of the paddock. Villeneuve told the Italian press, 'I should have listened to Tambay when he warned me to watch out for Pironi. But I didn't; that was my mistake.'

One thing for sure is Gordon was mainly at McLaren to build the roadcar he did act as a liaison for the design office

And was at gp to run the car

As were Oatley and Nichols both engineering Alain and Ayrton

Those were the days

But Nichols had already laid some ground work with the 87 car which to my money I seem to remember Alain and Stefan (Johansson) didn’t like the handling characteristics of

I think Gordons main claim to credit comes from like one person in the 90s completely getting it wrong and since then he’s run with it

[ripe magnet]

Benetton won a race and got a podium with the same engine yet worse aerodynamic package

[meager pewter]

Point being?

[ripe magnet]

two poles and a fastest lap as well

[ripe magnet]

the aerodynamic package was still bad

[meager pewter]

... I mean, okay?

[ripe magnet]

Benetton got 19 points to brabhams 2

same engine

[oblique dock]

well two different cars from two different teams can have the same engine and have varying results.

[ripe magnet]

if the aerodynamic package was so good why did the car perform so mediocre

[oblique dock]

How about the Ferrari F92A's aerodynamics?

[ripe magnet]

handles like a truck

[oblique dock]

Ivan Capelli loathed the car

[ripe magnet]

what about the Leyton house cg901b?

a good aerodynamic package with an actually bad engine

would have won the 1990 French gp

[meager pewter]

Because the arodynamic package wasn't the problem in and of itself but what it compromised. IT allowed for that reduction in drag for the same if not more df, however Gordon Murray even admits that going as far as he did to get as low as he did was a mistake
The car had awful acceleration because the leant over engine had bad throttle response on top of the hurrendous turbolag, and the angle would make massive oil surge when turning one way then the opposite condition in the other
Second... Coz of the offset of the crank, they commissioned Weismann to make a 3 shaft gearbox, which also was a 7 speed... Which also then had reliability issues

The good tell tho is that despite having the slowest finish trap speed at Imola, at the end of the straight it was the fastest, so the aerodynamic package was enough to offset the speed lost in acceleration

But like... I think one look at the rollhoop height relative to the rear wing is enough to tell it's a bit too ambitious

[desert terrace]

in other words, like the Ferrari F92, it wasn't the chassis, it was the engine

[night hare]

I dunno, by skippies description it sounds like the chassis was severely restricting the engine

[past drift]

because it was unreliable due to the aerodynamic package

[past drift]

the package wasn't adapted to the constraints of the engine

change it to a V6 that sits much lower and you're good. that's the MP4/4

[paper fossil]

well that was just a really good car

team managaer ramirez has talked enough about how murray was doing quality control and nichols has always refuted the murray claims over everything

[oblique dock]

Denny!

[paper fossil]

God it is ideal to find out Jo Siffert had a car with a 300L petrol tank instead of back seats

this was because petrol in Switzerland was half the price of anywhere else in europe

it had a mattress on the top of it is as well

that is deeply insane

[placid linden]

Signed picture I have:

[paper fossil]

This was to be the last Formula One Grand Prix held at Long Beach after 8 consecutive seasons on the calendar

[idle gale]

Frank Williams Racing. Not to be confused with the Williams team that we know today

[paper fossil]

FWRC

They were a privateer prior to 1972

[charred prawn]

those wing mirrors in the second photo look funny

[paper fossil]

Though annoyingly all their in house chassis after that were collaborative operations with stupid combined names

So wolf-williams

And one chassis was a Hesketh basically

Iso-Marlboro

[charred prawn]

speaking of old school f1 cars, the porsche 804 was a personal favourite

[paper fossil]

Yes Gurney won with that at Rouen

In 62

Put it on pole much to delight of the home crowd at the Nurburgring two races later

[charred prawn]

lapped the guy in 2nd at rouen too

[paper fossil]

Tony Maggs yeah

Maggs given the machinery he was given had a respectable career

But Bruce outperformed him by quite a bit

[past drift]

shame Porsche decided to stop F1, they really were onto something in 62

[paper fossil]

And that tbh is saying something because Brabham destroyed McLaren

[past drift]

when?

[paper fossil]

As teammates

At Cooper

[past drift]

except in 61 when Cooper started losing traction

[paper fossil]

Jack retired in like all but 2 gp tbf

I did always think he was a bit nowhere from 61-65 but nah

[past drift]

sounds like his 67 season

he would always want the latest parts, which made him faster true, but also made him not finish the race

[paper fossil]

The words of Hulme

Ngl Hulme was just better that season

Like Jack only comes up again in 70 when the car for most of the season is the best package

But Rindt is at the wrong team

Like the dude literally runs out of fuel on the last lap in Brands

Throws away Monaco too

One season too much I think

To be challenging for a championship

[past drift]

i don't see why he would lie about that tbh, he was so pissed with this situation that he left for McLaren

so i'm also extrapolating that and expecting Jack to do that at Cooper too

he's the only one who ran the T58, which qualified 2nd, 10th and 1st, but neverr finished a race

while Bruce was "stuck" with the older T55 that qualified lower, but finished in the points for these 3 races

[paper fossil]

Oh I’m not saying he’s lying

Just making a passing mention

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/tFIsxmD-GTg?feature=shared

[wary oak]

Whos the driver?

[oblique dock]

Marco Apicella

Monza 1993 was his only start and people often confuse him for having the shortest F1 career with Ernst Loof’s

[wary oak]

Lol damn it

How do you know

[oblique dock]

Cause I’ve known about Apicella before

And that I also have heard of his time in the Japanese F3000 championship

[wary oak]

Yeah which he won

what about this driver?

[oblique dock]

Marc Surer

[wary oak]

Okay

I was actually really confused

Online it say's Ricardo Londoño-Bridge

[paper fossil]

ideal

[wary oak]

but it isn't

Ricardo Londoño-Bridge was suppose to drive but couldnt get an F1 superlicense

so Surer took it

[paper fossil]

shocking

[wary oak]

Lmao read this

1981, Brazil. Ensign Grand Prix has just signed a new and very Colombian driver to race their borderline competitive, but aged N180B machine.

The wealthy Colombian Ricardo Londoño-Bridge, despite setting rather acceptable times, being on pace with the 22nd-24th place starters, was denied a superlicense. In 1981 a superlicense was still a big thing which could not be acquired at the local supermarket à la Esteban Tuero or Daniil Kvyat.

So Ensign owner and legendary mechanic Mo Nunn found himself without a driver. The driver Nunn had for the season opener, Marc Surer happened to be in Brazil for a testing session and looking for a drive, so he was drafted in ASAP.

Surer took the ride still covered with Londono's sponsor decals and qualified an acceptable 18th. He then had a great race in the wet conditions. First he had a cracker of a start and finished the first lap in 9th, then made on track passes against Prost, Watson, Rosberg and de Angelis ending up with a 4th(!) place finish and setting the fastest lap for the only time in his career.

The best thing about it? Just one night before qualifying the guy was out drinking with no ride.

[paper fossil]

oh yeah we know that part

[wary oak]

Tl;dr: Dude with no ride is out partying on Thursday, gets a last minute call to drive a 2 year old car and scores a 4th place + a fastest lap, passing Prost on the way.

DUDE THATS BADASS

WTF

thats actually crazy

[oblique dock]

Super Badass

[wary oak]

bro was partying, got a call, came to drive an F1 car, got 4th, and PASSED FUCKING PROST

Lmao

[paper fossil]

surer was a good driver

for sure

[wary oak]

Crazy to think that Ricardo Londoño was also tied and linked with some big drug dealers like Escobar, and that he got murdered....

yikes

[oblique dock]

No wonder why that name sounded familiar

Cause I was thinking of Escobar when you mentioned him

[idle gale]

The Japanese F1 intros

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Blrv8HsSyk&ab_channel=mamemame12

[desert terrace]

his name is londono-bridge 😭

[oblique dock]

Yes

[wary oak]

yeah lol

[wise dirge]

the londono-bridge is falling down

[meager pewter]

Phwoar

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/M6hKRCWukFM?feature=shared

[indigo phoenix]

Pretty car

(I'm definitely not biased)

[wary oak]

1967 I believe

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah, first picture is Silverstone iirc from my print of it, second picture I'd need to think about it

My gut tells me netherlands but I could be wrong

[wary oak]

oh yeah the second is zandvoort but im not sure the first one

[indigo phoenix]

Pretty sure the first is Silverstone, is reverse image search coming up with nothing?

On my phone atm so can't check 🫠

[wary oak]

yeah im pretty sure its the british grand prix

[paper fossil]

yeah i'm sure it would be zandvoort or south africa

the second one

funny thing is the 3 different set of engines clark would run that year

h16 for rsa (carried over from 66)

then the climax v8 in monaco

then finally the new dfv for the remaining season

[paper fossil]

forgot they had already changed to the 49 by round 3 so ignore that

[past drift]

more powerful than the climax, and much more fragile. important in ZA but not in Monaco

[paper fossil]

ngl

don't think it is that

i think it probably has to do with the available engines to them

[past drift]

for Monaco?

[paper fossil]

they had run the brm's the previous season

it was the h16 clark had in rsa as well

graham ran the v8 in monaco

[oblique dock]

And the damn H16 ended up winning the US Grand Prix

[paper fossil]

Kind of right I suppose

But rebuilding the H16 cost more than paying for it

[past drift]

yeah, it’s possible they just ran out of them lmao

since they were going for the dfv soon

[paper fossil]

Yes well that is the answer for that

Familiarity probably answers for why Hill elected for the BRM V8 and Clark the Coventry Climax V8

[past drift]

yeah i think so

[idle gale]

Those red hot glowing brakes

[paper fossil]

The annual dinner-dance of Club Lotus was held at the Casino Hotel, Taggs Island, last Friday. Les Leston was in sparkling form, and one of the highlights of the evening came when he asked Stirling Moss to stand up and take a bow. Immediately half-a-dozen black-bearded figures rose to their feet at Cliff Davis's table, Moss being completely dwarfed by king-sized folk such as Ouvaroff and MacNab both around 6 feet. Jabby Crombac replied on behalf of the guests, and another speaker was Frank Harris of the Ford Motor Co. Ltd. Later Jim Clark, Mike Beckwith and Crombac drove in with an Elan, for the presentation of awards by Mrs. Tony Ellis, wife of the President. Towards the end, Colin Chapman was grabbed and de-bagged then fitted with a natty pair of blue nylon panties. Also, somehow or other, a Costin speedboat, won in the Tombola, found itself in the Thames-sans engine, but otherwise quite seaworthy. Hazel Chapman was presented with a trophy by Fords, to carry her own name. It will be given for the best performance during the season by a driver with a Ford powered Lotus.

Autosport, March 1963

[desert terrace]

Year? I want to say 93?

[oblique dock]

Yup

It's the F93A, used during the 93 season

[desert terrace]

Yeah. 91-92, 94-97 never had white

[paper fossil]

https://fxtwitter.com/wearetherace/status/1747937149473730680?s=46

[past drift]

i was wondering actually

[paper fossil]

I don’t think he tried to do things that put him in uncalculated danger. I think from that point of view he was a responsible driver. He always had this image of being crazy, and he wasn’t really. He was only crazy when he wanted to be, it was his image. I always tell the story about driving from Monaco with him. I didn’t want to do it, because I hated to be a passenger. But the whole time he drove perfectly, until we got just outside Modena, and soon the wheels were spinning and he started sliding around and everything. That was the proof of what I felt. I also remember going with him in his helicopter, and again once we got over Modena he started his tricks again. I stopped that really quickly. I hated flying. He was going down and then up. I said you better stop now or I’ll wring your neck. He knew I meant it.

- Jody Scheckter on Gilles

[paper fossil]

this is such an excellent photo ngl

Pescarolo, Gavin, Beltoise and Stewart

[indigo phoenix]

I love the way they're all lined up

[paper fossil]

in height

kind of

[indigo phoenix]

Almost but not quite there

[paper fossil]

but that was the matra line up for 1968

and 1969

though they were all only entered into 3 gp

canada and mexico 68 and germany 69

matra was a funny thing

[idle gale]

Arguably the most bad luck cursed team in F1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Veeca0_Hjys&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[barren yoke]

also one of the sexiest looking cars

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/0NnV6nxckJc

[paper fossil]

prost was pretty livid with ferrari after mansells portugal start the previous gp

for once i think nigel wasn't purposely trying to be a dick there

[idle gale]

Ferrari's Rocket Ship

"Sir, your cab/taxi is here"

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/16KwKmx_6rw?feature=shared

[idle gale]

The Red Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q251Or6gOG0&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[autumn warren]

where can i buy tickets

[sour moon]

https://www.grandprixdefrancehistorique.com/billetterie

35e for 3 days

[past drift]

cheap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWFZ9TnD35w

3 teams running the same hue of red Ferrari uses

[indigo phoenix]

Mmmm Italy

Italy really did choose the color of all time

[autumn warren]

ty

[past drift]

the color of all time? 🤔

[indigo phoenix]

Yes

The color ever

[idle gale]

"WHOOPS!!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8viwrfRcJzA&ab_channel=Mari-927

[wary oak]

Nigel Mansell during his test with the Jordan team 1996

[chrome basin]

ngl i like the shade of grey that they used

[stark bolt]

I miss jordan

[paper fossil]

https://twitter.com/scuderiaferrari/status/1749368842340401610?s=46

Scuderia Ferrari (@ScuderiaFerrari) on X

Our British Champion, remembering Mike Hawthorn today ❤️

Twitter · Jan 22, 2024, 9:50 AM

Wrong driver in the photo as it turns out 😭

[primal sun]

NAHHHH ☠️

[willow gorge]

Ferrari moment

[paper fossil]

I was thinking why isn’t it the Dino

The 246 as you will (engine was called a Dino)

That he won his championship in

But it is Farina in the 500

Hawthorn did win his first gp of 3 in that 500 in 53 at Reims

You can usually tell it is hawthorn because he raced in a helmet that looks like one of those police riot gear helmets

[paper fossil]

https://twitter.com/bbv10s/status/1749463548810436636?s=46

Bring Back V10s Podcast (@BBV10s) on X

When you think of Ferrari's dismal 1992 #F1 season, what's the first thing that comes to mind?

Twitter · Jan 22, 2024, 4:06 PM

[idle gale]

And this is the result of taking the fuel filter out of the refuelling hose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj9AmkezHxA&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[paper fossil]

Pinned on Benetton

Unfairly

Fuel rig supplier literally wrote a letter to Max saying we allowed for this and a junior mechanic took it out

[wary oak]

More green than usual?

[woven zinc]

I laughed out loud when I read that Alesi thought it was a wonderful car ngl

[oblique dock]

Oh, Ferrari…..

[wary oak]

Anybody know why Schumacher has different mirrors?

[paper fossil]

i assume this was for possible aero reasons

that or being able to see the condition of his tyres

[idle gale]

It is often stated that allegedly the Honda mechanics gave a bit more power in the engines in Ayrton Senna's McLaren during the 88 and 89 seasons due to Ayrton's "Samurai-esque" driving style

Keyword: Allegedly

[paper fossil]

👉 1989 mexican gp

[wise dirge]

.truth

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[woven zinc]

and yet Prost still beat him in 89

[paper fossil]

🇧🇷 1977 Brazilian GP won by 🇦🇷 Carlos Reutemann in the Ferrari 312T2B

[wary oak]

and technically 1988 as well points wise

[desert terrace]

Reutemann 🇦🇷

[paper fossil]

This is a man who didn’t realise just how good he was

The pictures are two gp he should have most certainly won

1975 Brazilian GP and 1978 Canadian GP

[past drift]

he certainly was better than the records show

idk if that’s Argentina you show, he broke his transmission while joining the grid with the pole..

[paper fossil]

No it is the following GP in Brazil

That he did have a real chance of winning

I think he gets forgotten about as just a man who held up Tambay for laps in the 83 Austrian GP

and being named by Hunt as a man with a mental age of 10

It is fine to say that GP was not his finest moment but he was in a dreadful Ligier that scored 0 points

[past drift]

Hunt did his reputation more than Jarier actually did haha

but yeah, he got 2 poles back to back and just a few 3rd places to back his skills up

[river cave]

Ngl, i have never seen this image of Senna before

[night hare]

He does seem right in place

[river cave]

Certainly does

[night hare]

Is that a pig by any chance?

An Australian pig?

[river cave]

yep

the one on the left is a Brazilian Mirage III

one of the right and below is a F-111C, the Pig

[night hare]

Nice

Anyways senna looks right in place

[terse cliff]

my guy senna actually looks like a fighter pilot

[desert terrace]

Good eye - yep, definitely a Aardvark

[paper fossil]

Hmmm

[terse cliff]

why are there so many images of senna in aircraft

[idle gale]

The same race in the heavy rain

[paper fossil]

what

pretty sure fisichella went into the back of nakano on the run to the old bus stop/pit lane entry

[woven zinc]

yeah he did, it's of that same collision

[idle gale]

The Japanese team that was quite the omni-shamble

Note the car in the pic above is the A spec of the F101 before it had its "crash diet". This is the B spec F101 that they're tried to race in

[oblique dock]

Maki

[desert terrace]

Ah yes the Maki F101.

[umbral ermine]

top gun if it was good:

[past drift]

did they ran Bridgestones

[paper fossil]

No

That was a privateer Tyrrell in 76 far as I can remember and another Japanese car the following year that I can’t remember the name of

[past drift]

ah correct it was Hoshino Kazuyoshi who entered a Tyrrell and ran Bridgestones

he was P3 at some point using an old car because he knew the track better than the others

the Kojima team used Dunlops for some reason

[oblique dock]

Alesi and Nannini

[paper fossil]

1992 Ferrari line up of dreams 😭

what could have been

[oblique dock]

But considering how the F92A went, I don't think their combined efforts would be enough

[paper fossil]

i think he probably has a greater chance of sticking around

like alesi he had absolutely zero understanding of car dynamics

he would just get in the car and drive around problems if he could manage

that had shown against boutsen and piquet

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jRPJrXAoTs&ab_channel=AidanMillward

Speaking of which, Leyton House had also produced a shock podium finish at Paul Ricard in 1990. Could have been a shock victory for Leyton House as well

[past drift]

yeah, they were 1-2 for about 20 laps

that's only a fourth of the total distance, but for a small team that's so huge

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4w22LJrLeU

what looting german technology from the war yields

a 1.5 litre V16 engine

that allegedly made 600 bhp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nToJIhjcKI sounds interesting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skXqDa6P-90 I also found it quite odd this car that looks quite revolutionary didn't beat the front engined Mercedes in the seasons it ran

it has the engine mid mounted, two sets of tyres at the rear for more grip

[round swift]

that audi looks cool but be so weird to drive sitting so infront

[past drift]

https://www.motorlegend.com/images-voiture/med/renault-re-20-autre-40784.jpg

[craggy ember]

It's incredible to me that had things gone slightly differently in history, Ferrari could've had Michael Schumacher, Ayrton Senna and Adrian Newey all at the same time

Neweys book is awesome

[paper fossil]

I doubt it

[meager pewter]

It was 40hp down on the Merc i8, and had arguably too much torque hence the dually rears

[meager pewter]

Also

I've been lucky enough to see both in the flesh

[round swift]

Goodwood??

[meager pewter]

Mmm, went to the... 2021 Revival and went to the Festival... 2022?

Yeah 2022

[paper fossil]

1975 Austrian GP

[oblique dock]

Luca is fucking pissed

Also, when you have Luca Cordero Di Montezemolo and Bernie Ecclestone shouting at you, you know something is terribly wrong

[paper fossil]

i love how when brambilla spins it across the line after winning the gp you literally have a mclaren team member waving yellow flags instead of a track marshal

race direction ad hoc was certainly a thing

[oblique dock]

man....

[past drift]

love how Bernie is outmatched with Luca’s italian non verbal talking

🤌 if you don’t stop uh da race, there will be a big accident, oh buona mamma, non è possibile vederlo 😡

[desert terrace]

I lost it at Brambilla casually crashing in the background despite me knowing it was coming

[paper fossil]

I like how impassioned Bernie is

As if he would actually care

Given his record on this sort of thing

Tbf it is before he became the chief executive for FOCA

And before he got John Hogan to tell the broadcasters they had to pay him to televise all grand prixs

[desert terrace]

[desert terrace]

is that a wax figure of peterson

bc i honestly can't tell

[paper fossil]

I think the photo has just been taken with some experimental settings or has been edited afterwards given it is from I believe end of 76 in a test at Silverstone

[past drift]

it seems very hdr

[paper fossil]

But anyway

Forgotten stint I think

Even more forgettable season in 77

[past drift]

yeah

the car didn’t suit him and it wasn’t developed enough in 77

or maybe it was just a cul-de-sac in terms of potential

[paper fossil]

Ronnie was terrible technically

And he was up against Depailler who really liked the 6 wheeler for some reason

I imagine there is a good chance he had no idea how to set it up that well

I mean both retired from a number of gp anyway

[past drift]

yeah. and some designers listened to him because he was quick anyway

[paper fossil]

Yes well I would still listen to him over Emerson Fittipaldi

There is that story of him telling the team the car was understeering out of Signes at Paul Ricard

And team was like no it is clearly oversteering because the rears are hot and fronts are cold

So they sent someone out to the corner and Ronnie was putting opposite lock on as he always did

And the team were like yeah that is oversteering

And Ronnie was like "no its understeering so much its faster to drift it"

[terse cliff]

some classic mclaren pics would be highly appreciated icl

[terse cliff]

🙏

thx man

[wary oak]

no problem

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj740jd-q9I&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[paper fossil]

finding out gilles was older than jody is fucked

[desert terrace]

i thought they were similar in age

bc ik nobody really thought gilles had potential except for the old man

[idle gale]

Andrea and Nelson's argument after crashing into each other

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GiFfcClDnY&ab_channel=SennaTeamRacing

[indigo phoenix]

He had a really baby face tbh

What really fucked me up back in the day was that his first name is not Gilles it is Joseph

[hidden monolith]

Seem too high quality imo xD

[indigo phoenix]

Actually that still fucks me up

His first name was Joseph

[hidden monolith]

Why

It's not unheard of for people to take their middle name as their first name

[indigo phoenix]

Idk I feel like Gilles Joseph makes more sense in my head than Joseph Gilles

[wary oak]

that's what makes it better

[paper fossil]

yes well

there is also mike thackwell debuting in 1980 as a teenager

and being younger than damon hill who started in 1992

Lavaggi debut in 1995 and he is older than Martin Brundle who started in 1984

Ricardo Rodriguez was born 3 months before Carlos Reutemann

Jabouille born in the same year too

Carel Godin de Beaufort debut in 1957 while an older George Follmer raced in 1973 for the first time

[past drift]

what?? dayum didn’t lnow that

[terse cliff]

https://youtu.be/DZWnSTcfmmI?si=WLUPYH4jTRKLWWfQ

[paper fossil]

https://x.com/wearetherace/status/1752994251112092025?s=46

The Race (@wearetherace) on X

It's our favourite day of the week. It's YOUR favourite day of the week.

It's time for a brand new #BringBackV10s episode! Today? We're talking Schumacher vs Schumacher.

Catch it here ➡️ https://t.co/2GLEP4Vffb

Twitter · Feb 1, 2024, 9:56 AM

[wary oak]

“Partly because I still have time ahead of me, I am sure one day I’ll drive a red Ferrari, it’s one of my dreams.” Ayrton Senna

Since Lewis just signed with Ferrari for 2025, I wonder if Ayrton would've too later in his career

[paper fossil]

God there is quite a few of those edits

I think Fiorio has even suggested before he could have been there for 1991

If he had his way

Which seems intriguing to read about but it was likely never happening because of the political vaccum

Some high ranking Ferrari guy was always going to find out about this plan and side with Prost to turn on Cesare

[past drift]

quite certain he would’ve

[wary oak]

I would assume sometime in between 1995 and 1998, but it's hard to know exactly when.

All I know is that Todt asked Senna to race for Ferrari in 1995

[meager pewter]

Bro Ayrton in a 412T2 with the way Jean's handling had would've been devestating

[wary oak]

The way Jean holds the steering wheel is weird, but guess it works out for him

Schumacher also tested with the 412 T2 and declared the car to be "good enough to win a world championship."

[idle gale]

Lamborghini's (rather unsuccessful) works team

[oblique dock]

Designed by Mauro Forghieri

[past drift]

weird for a f1 driver, but that’s how we’re taught to hold it when learning to drive

[paper fossil]

That is the driving school grip

10 to 2

But far as I’m aware you would want to be really holding it from the middle (9 to 3)

In case of injury to your arms and face from the air bag

[past drift]

it's more tiring that way

[paper fossil]

Can’t say I have noticed a difference

[past drift]

for long trips i feel exhausted that way

[indigo phoenix]

Mmm I like holding near the bottom. Ig 8 and 4? if we’re doing numbers on a clock

[paper fossil]

When I was learning my dad kept saying 10-2

But for me it was uncomfortable

And then I realised it can possibly be of danger in case of airbag deployment

My instructor said as much too

But Alesis rationale for that style is very much fine for racing

I think Bruni had it too if we are thinking about closer to the modern day

[indigo phoenix]

I would imagine 9 and 3 is nice as well for just feeling like you have a little more control

May have to try it out

[terse cliff]

https://youtu.be/7IRZXtbQUOc

[wise dirge]

yall drive 10 2 tf

9 and 3 is the objective goat

[indigo phoenix]

8 and 4 ig is what I do

Way to go on long ones

[oblique dock]

Nah. 12 and 6 da goat

[wise dirge]

yh
9-3 on short trips
8-4 or 7-5 if im feeling psychopathic on long trips

[meager pewter]

Bro where do you rest your thumbs?

[queen saddle]

Sneak peek of the new Senna biopic on Netflix (from sennaglobal Instagram).

[indigo phoenix]

Ignore what’s going on on the bottom I cropped badly and cba to fix it but they don’t need to rest I just let em dangle down there

[desert terrace]

Yes, Modena with the cool triangular sidepods

The car was the Lambo 291

Not Lamborghini, Lambo

Its name was officially Lambo

[past drift]

https://www.statsf1.com/en/lamborghini-291.aspx are you sure about dat

[paper fossil]

The chassis designation was Lambo

And for the purposes of not getting into a debate about that the team was practically independent quickly into 1991

Lamborghini wasn’t too happy to have its name scorned by the results of something it had actually put its mind to

Even if only for a short time

[terse cliff]

🔥

[past drift]

but it's not what it was registered as by the FIA ?

[paper fossil]

The change of name would cause confusion throughout the season. It was essentially a Lamborghini Engineering team, as they had designed and built the chassis, the chassis carried the firm's name and it was powered by a Lamborghini engine, but they were adamant on having it named differently and went about registering it under a different name, resulting in the team known as Modena but the cars as Lambo 291's on the official entry list.

[past drift]

alright, tried to find entry list on FIA's archies but they don't go that far in the past

[paper fossil]

It will be in the FIA yearbook

[wary oak]

Is there a release date for this?

I really enjoyed the 2010 documentary

[desert terrace]

yes i am lol

lamborghini built the car

then they wanted to distance themselves from it

therefore lambo

[distant garnet]

One of the strangiest looking cars from the V10 era,the 1996 Ferrari F310

[distant garnet]

Compared to the Williams FW18 of the same season:

[wary oak]

I honestly get mixed results when searching for that online, some say Lamborghini 291 and others say Lambo 291 lmao

Lamborghini designed and built the chassis, and the engine, and even had lamborghini on it, but decided to change the team name to Modena Team SpA

[desert terrace]

Yeah

[desert terrace]

That was an underdeveloped Barnard design that switched noses mid-season lol

The same season McLaren shortened their cars after round four

[queen saddle]

It’s expected to be released later this year according to the Insta post.

[paper fossil]

It looked like a couch

Or as Matt Beer once said

“The Forti had sex with the proposed DAMS car”

[distant garnet]

IDK how to explain it but Barnard went very conservative and took the 1996 cockpit side protection safety rule too much literal while Newey and the other teams found a loophole to produce very slim and low cockpit sides

[past drift]

oh that's why

shame cause he was on a good idea with the 95 car i reckon. it was plenty fast

[paper fossil]

Well Williams got ahead on the driver seat positioning anyway

They were always going to be so much faster in 96

[past drift]

what did they do? Newey said it in his book but i forgor

[paper fossil]

Hold on

Dear god I had the specifics down under a certain message that I can’t remember a single word of

I do not own mr neweys book

So can not look there either

[past drift]

sadge

you should buy it, it’s cool and also quite pretty

[paper fossil]

Well

I have plenty of other things I want to purchase and read

Okay some clarification it mainly wasn’t that

It was something at the rear of the car in relation to the gearbox

That had been brought in at Aida the previous season

That gave them a decent advantage already

Newey's upgraded FW17B was tested at Silverstone and Imola before being taken to Portugal. The rear end was modified with revised floor and narrower new gearbox to facilitate substantial revisions to the diffuser. The exhausts exited above the diffuser and the rear suspension shrouds were removed so that wide-angled upper wishbones and new suspension geometry could be fitted.

They went back to the previous revision of car after some problems

So Aida was the first race I think they ran it

Possibly European gp too

Newey was quite amazed no one else did this

History I think has been repeating for Newey

[distant garnet]

The loophole that Newey found is that in the regulations it's written that only the area where the foam protection had to have/would be located was considered

[distant garnet]

Newey went even above and made the protection also work as a winglet

[past drift]

rules: no moveable aerodynamic device
Newey: the whole car is an aerodynamic device

[idle gale]

Just the way Michael corrects the oversteer slide in the corners
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34luSz5i28s&ab_channel=BarneyWard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGDMyqz3kdo&ab_channel=BarneyWard

[distant garnet]

https://youtu.be/px_Ka3XUVU0?si=8qbKGaI9yjvvYCe0

[paper fossil]

Still prefer this camera position

[past drift]

😦

[wary oak]

So I was reading an article about the new biopic series about Senna, and they had a few pictures of the series, and one of them was Senna (Gabriel Leone) in what looks to me is a modified MP4/3, but I wanted to get your guys idea on what it actually is.

The front long nose piece definitely resembles the MP4/3

[past drift]

a /3?

yeah looks like a weird frankencar, the airbox isn't that of the 5B for sure
the endplates of that front wing looks like they're frm the /7

oh the canopy checks our for a /3 !

[wary oak]

yeah its like a mix and match lol

[past drift]

didn't know they also did that with older cars

thought it was just a modern showcar stuff

[wary oak]

I'm not sure but I can't wait to watch it

[paper fossil]

I just hope this isn’t round 2 of the shaming of Prost

More than annoyed about the Senna doc film given Jacobi who managed both drivers at the time was involved in the making of it

[night hare]

Was he a consultant? Because they’re usually stereotyped as getting paid to sit around

[paper fossil]

I think he was involved in practically getting the whole thing going

Like funding wise I suppose

But he did reflect on work he did for that film

[oblique dock]

The MP4/3’s nose is much wider than the MP4/5B’s

[oblique dock]

I hope so too

Knowing Senna fans, shit could get worse with them if it does become another Prost-shaming piece of media

[idle gale]

The race Onyx scored their only podium finish

[oblique dock]

Johansson’s 12th and final podium

[wary oak]

That nose in that picture does not look like the MP4/5B

[oblique dock]

The MP4/3’s nose VS the MP4/5B’s nose

[distant garnet]

Me too

[wary oak]

Its thicker than the MP4/5B's

I did a reverse picture search and I got more MP4/3's similarities than MP4/5B

[paper fossil]

weird ass hybrid for sure

[desert terrace]

what the hell is that

idk much about mclarens

but the nose is about 1989-90

and the body is about 1991-2

the nose is just too wide

is the airbox too far forwards...?

[wise dirge]

that looks so silly

[idle gale]

Imagine spinning and crashing after crossing the finish line upon seeing the Chequered Flag

[desert terrace]

trulli truly italian

[wary oak]

its a weird frankencar. Based off of the number, its suppose to be the MP4/5B, but doesn't really look like it

They modified it 100%

I think they made it themselves, and that everything on it was not raced or used as a show car back in the day

[fleet wigeon]

1994 Gerhard Berger onboard

[terse cliff]

i love these old onboard vids

i have couple of them saved, mainly Senna

[wary oak]

I have some more classic on boards I'll upload later

[meager pewter]

So hot

[idle gale]

I bet the drivers on the starting grid of Canada 1989 thought "What the hell is up with those two?" when they saw Nigel Mansell and Alessandro Nannini jumpstarting the race from the pitlane

[past drift]

bring some of Alesi por favor

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/7KTtnoBX-Lo?feature=shared

I got you

https://youtu.be/v0Ruft8fgLk?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/q-5QIq8rUuU?feature=shared

[terse cliff]

christmas came super early

[paper fossil]

https://x.com/wearetherace/status/1755527588166975515?s=46

The Race (@wearetherace) on X

Car launch season? I don't know her! Today... it's all about a brand new episode of #BringBackV10s!

We're talking ALL about just why exactly the 1992 #F1 season went SO badly for Ferrari 👀

Listen here ➡️ https://t.co/2GLEP4Vffb

Twitter · Feb 8, 2024, 9:42 AM

[wary oak]

I got you

[paper fossil]

yeah that was awful

[night hare]

Istg if michael won

[indigo phoenix]

FRANK OVER COLIN 😭

[wary oak]

He did win lol

[stark bolt]

Who tf voted for these

[desert terrace]

i think gordon is a game changer, not a innovator

but alright

[past drift]

how did he change the game?

[desert plover]

Anybody, but mostly F1 fans

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.vote-now-ecclestone-vs-schumacher-in-the-final-of-f1s-most-influential.2j52xgdzIcrEcgYkOzOAZn.html

Schumacher’s route to the final

Beat Nika Lauda, 56% to 44%
Beat Ayrton Senna, 52% to 48%
Beat Juan Manuel Fangio, 72% to 28%
Beat Enzo Ferrari, 54% to 46%

Ecclestone’s route to the final

Beat Herman Tilke, 89 % to 11%
Beat Ross Brawn, 58% to 42%
Beat Professor Sid Watkins, 72% to 28%
Beat Gordon Murray, 54% to 46%

[stark bolt]

🤓☝️

[night hare]

So in the end it was just a popularity contest

[past drift]

ofc

[terse cliff]

4% and senna would be in finals

[wary oak]

forward and rear facing cameras on Gerhard Berger's F1 car during the 1991 Mexico Grand Prix

Onboard video of Ayrton Senna at the 1990 Monaco Grand Prix

Onboard video of Ayrton Senna at the 1989 Japanese Grand Prix (Suzuka)

[oblique dock]

Masahiro Hasemi

[wary oak]

Senna's incredible opening lap at Europe 1993

[terse cliff]

2 senna vids, tysm

no actually 3

wow

[wary oak]

Let me know if you find anymore on the formula 1 website. I can download them and upload them here

[carmine kindle]

https://timewastingmachine.tumblr.com/post/38789854269/david-coulthard-and-mclaren-mp412-in-gravity-zero

[timber warren]

Dam

[idle gale]

Kimi just casually going through the smoke screen at full acceleration and speed

[stark bolt]

Red bull copied mclaren fr

[idle gale]

The old Eau Rouge to Raidillon

[fleet wigeon]

What on Earth is this design

[terse cliff]

looks like something I'd make in Blender

[past drift]

Robin Herd tried things out

[idle gale]

Ah yes. Where Niki got his third title by half a point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5fodu3_aYg&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[past drift]

not classic just yet 😄

[paper fossil]

Counts imho

[past drift]

because it's overall a shitty season with bad racing?

the only redeeming factor in 2005 is that it was the end of Michael's domination

title fight was okay, but not very tense

[paper fossil]

Oh hmmm

[keen acorn]

I don't think 2004 was any different to a certain extent

[past drift]

it wasn'

but it's #classic-motorsport because 20yo

[keen acorn]

so should I just

delete it?

[past drift]

yes

and post it in a full year 🤭

[keen acorn]

XD

aight bet

[terse cliff]

good i saved it in my gallery before deletion

might put a reminder for 2025

[paper fossil]

Was a good season but anyway

[past drift]

it restored my faith in the sports

[paper fossil]

I think every season is different and you have your favourites

For me it falls into the good part of the noughties

[past drift]

my dad stopped whatching because Schumacher dominated, so everything between 2001 and 2004 included isn't exactly my jam

[paper fossil]

Sheesh missed out on 2003 smh

I recommend everyone watch USA 03 when everyone always like to bang on about Canada 11/Germany 19 for the random events

[indigo phoenix]

I loved the non-matching race suits.

[unique pagoda]

Is Scheckter wearing a race suit?

He looks like he's wearing a sweater lol

[paper fossil]

It’s a race suit

[balmy canopy]

Today would be Ronnie Peterson's 80th birthday

[oblique dock]

😔

RIP Ronnie

[queen saddle]

Poor Damon must've known he was standing next to a nonce at an early age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gshqGcyQJr4

[oblique dock]

oh god…. jimmy savile

[queen saddle]

Jimmy Savile: "Say something."
Damon: "Something."

Damon clearly didn't wanna talk to a nonce.