classic-motorsport

[paper fossil]

1993 williams is an interesting one

because a lot of the development was just a carry over from 91-92

mclaren in fact had a better chassis and electronics package at the start of 93

but williams were able to use the strengths of the renault engine to keep ahead

they were able to run more wing for example

it did get developed through the season but by the end of it the mclaren was the best car once williams ceased working on the car

[paper fossil]

and with the year of active and previous attempts at it had more data on how to run specifically at each track

[wary oak]

wasn't the 92 faster at silverstone than the 93 was?

[past drift]

correct!

about .040 quicker

[wary oak]

would track layout changes also affect timing because i am pretty sure the track received some changes from 1993 to early 2000s

[past drift]

oh indeed there's been loads, i thought the track hadn't changed between 91 and 2009 when they came up with the current layout, for some reasons 😅

well that message is useless now

[paper fossil]

there was changes in 94 to a few areas of the track

96-97 too

[woven zinc]

personally if anything although the 98 livery was good, the extra colors they added for their 99 livery made it pop a lot more

it's one of my personal favorite 90s F1 liveries

[chrome basin]

best 90s livery?

[meager pewter]

Oh buddy we got alot to choose from

[indigo phoenix]

Do you know what the 90s had

They had the zipper livery

Great aesthetic decisions all around, brilliant, wonderful

[chrome basin]

never liked this livery tbh

but it’s not horrible either

[indigo phoenix]

It's an aesthetic disaster

I find it very funny

[chrome basin]

exactly

😭

absolutely horrendous

it’s almost like it took inspiration from frankenstein

[indigo phoenix]

It's truly a choice of all time

One of the liveries ever

[chrome basin]

but seriously though

what’s a underrated 90s livery?

[indigo phoenix]

The Brundle Gitanes livery I always thought was a bit slept on

[meager pewter]

I got plenty of preferences

[indigo phoenix]

She's a weird one but something about it speaks to me

[chrome basin]

it’s so…

[indigo phoenix]

It's a livery

[meager pewter]

Underrated? I felt like it was talked about alot

[oblique dock]

The 1991 ligier looked quite nice

[indigo phoenix]

Not very remembered though

[meager pewter]

It does better than alot of these types because the Wings were black to balance it out

[chrome basin]

it’s almost like a cow was dyed in blue and teal

not in a bad way

but it just looks like that

it’s cool ngl

[meager pewter]

Ligier's blue was always nice tho

[indigo phoenix]

Ligier had some gorgeous cars, yeah

[chrome basin]

the picture is probably faded but it looks nice

[indigo phoenix]

Cute car

[meager pewter]

Obligatory unracedmention

[indigo phoenix]

I love that livery it's so 90s design

[meager pewter]

Mmmhmm

[indigo phoenix]

Love this one just for how clean it is also

[meager pewter]

Ooooh, AGS?

[indigo phoenix]

Yep!

This one usually gets the attention but I loved the white and blue livery they ran

Also obligatory BT59 plug I love this car

[woven zinc]

that livery is honestly unironically amazing

I like how it's split into 2 different designs for each side of the car

[round swift]

Yellow Jordans were pure seggs

[woven zinc]

bruh what kinda frankenlivery is this

the 1999 livery but with Infineon branding which they only had in 2001 and the front wing livery from the EJ12 💀

[round swift]

Amalgamation of yellow Jordans (or the yellow Jordan Hondas at any rate)

[meager pewter]

Black hoop tho

[chrome basin]

this is unironically very fucking nice

[meager pewter]

Mmm, shame it didn't go anywhere

[chrome basin]

this is also amazing

it screams 90s f1

but it's also retro futuristic looking as well

[desert terrace]

1997 lola, 1996 forti, 1995 dams

[round swift]

Kudos to the livery designers, everything blends so well together

[meager pewter]

Mmm, the bit of Bronze on the Headrest is fun too

[paper fossil]

i liked the 1999 williams tbh

[oblique dock]

When Senna won ahead of everyone at the Nurburgring

[woven zinc]

didn't he test a rally car as well?

oh he tested a bunch of different cars

[oblique dock]

Yep

He did test rally cars in the mid 80’s

[river cave]

wasn't there also a thing about, i dunno if it was a Quattro but a Group B car at Estoril that was getting close to F1 speeds

[river cave]

nothing will beat the NSX though

[oblique dock]

And then of course you remember he drove a Porsche 956 at the 1000 km of Nurburgring in 1984

[valid bough]

Sup

[oblique dock]

Welcome

https://youtu.be/YaW1RKuBQpg?feature=shared

[meager pewter]

oh they got the redline

[river cave]

i maintain that the Lambo V12 is one of the best sounding engines in F1

i've never had a dopamine hit like driving the McLambo

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/hgEP5e3yca0?feature=shared Meanwhile

[meager pewter]

Bro said one of

[oblique dock]

I know

[past drift]

V12s just sound awesome

although the Honda V12 of 91-92 sounds a bit boring

[oblique dock]

Really?

I find the RA121E and RA122E to be the more unique sounding F1 V12’s

Probably due to the raspiness of the exhaust note

[zenith nest]

not a bad car

👍

[past drift]

i don’t like it compared to a more italian style v12

[paper fossil]

matra v12 is the best sounding

i think

they did some very important things for f1

[oblique dock]

Hmm…. What about the Yamaha V12 soundwise https://youtu.be/guaoUC_jVWE?feature=shared

[south tree]

His only race, already a masterclass

AYO

[oblique dock]

I remember

[south tree]

How does it turn left tho?

[oblique dock]

🤷‍♂️

[south tree]

Also, I think he did like a CART version of that prototype

[oblique dock]

Yeah, I also remember that being mentioned

[south tree]

I sent it here a while back, lemme search for it

There it is, the F104 Starfighter

I see… Anyways, you did a great job

You plan on making now the body or you gonna leave it like that

I don’t xD

Or just have time and nothing better to do

Fair

[meager pewter]

I was tryna ask in another server what peeps thought of the 3.5 Honda V12's coz their exhausts were whacky

Personally I struggle to like them too much but I do like how they spice up the variety

[idle gale]

Still, to me, one of the most weirdest aero and downforce improvisations

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/LId5SKxljqs?feature=shared The RA122E’s exhaust note sounded particularly nasal here

[meager pewter]

Yeah the 92 engine was a 75°V Unit which already had that that harsh tone under- Dayum the backfires as he's stabbing at that thing

Anyway yeah 75 degree vee for 1992 plus the unequal length secondaries

[oblique dock]

I thought they kept the 60 degree angle

Interesting

[meager pewter]

Nop

[oblique dock]

Ah…. I must’ve forgot about that

[meager pewter]

Great heavens boy

Forgetting such specific, non-important information?

[oblique dock]

It’s just a small minute detail pertaining to the vee angle.

That’s all

Besides, it’s been a while since I last revisited the MP4/7A’s specs

[meager pewter]

That was my bit. I was tryna let you off the hook

I did love in this day how all over the black V angles were

It's fascinating

[oblique dock]

Yea

[meager pewter]

Like... 60-65-67-68-70-72-75-80-90 I think for the 3.5's

[oblique dock]

1981: Ferrari’s 120 degree V6
1990: Ferrari’s 65 degree V12
2002: Renault’s 111 degree V10

[meager pewter]

120°V6's are based

[oblique dock]

I’m quite interested as to why Renault went for such an odd V angle for their V10

[meager pewter]

I think it was for centre of gravity

Coz BMW and Cosworth tested wide angles to see the benefit of centre of gravity/packaging vs. Structural rigidity

It did end up actually benefitting them in the end because the harsher harmonics of a like... What? 111°-39° firing interval meant they were rev limited to the 17's which necessitated that they had to develop the engine for more torque and a wider powerband

[oblique dock]

Oh, ok

[meager pewter]

So when they went to 72° with the R24 and R25, they had more of a means to develop power evenly so they could reap the benefits of keeping a 6 speed gearbox

https://youtu.be/DYCgvxe54X0?si=CoYbj_noIWijcwXO

Man I love that noise

[oblique dock]

Imagine if a 111 degree V12 existed in the 1990’s

[meager pewter]

I'd assume then they'd've just gone to 120°

I'm surprised they settled on 111 not 112 or 110...

I'd love to know how to ask about that

[meager pewter]

V12 firing intervals and such

thie Cozzie btw

[oblique dock]

Same here

[meager pewter]

I think I've showed this before...

Renault went back to weird angles for the RS27 V8

[oblique dock]

Actually, what if Honda opted for a 65 degree V12 while Ferrari had a 60 degree V12

[meager pewter]

... Wdym?

[oblique dock]

Oh. I was just wondering about Honda’s RA121E and Ferrari’s V12 from the same era swapping V angles

[meager pewter]

RS26*

[meager pewter]

To what end is all I mean... Like power, sound, what?

[oblique dock]

Sound

[meager pewter]

Oh... Huh

The Ferrari'd sound like the Lambo

The MP4/6's stoll have that weird nasal malaise but it'd be a touch smoother I'd think

Wait wha-

[oblique dock]

???

[meager pewter]

The MP4/6 would get slightly harsher

My b

Wth this exhaust doin

[oblique dock]

I just had a thought.

What if teams nowadays used different V angles for the V6 hybrids, and what if Ferrari went back to a 120 degree configuration like they did in the early 80’s

Actually, this isn’t the first time I thought about modern day F1 V6’s with different V angles

[indigo phoenix]

Mmmmm 90° V6 my love

Unstable and wonderful

[oblique dock]

Nah. 60 degree V6 is my cup of tea

[indigo phoenix]

Was it the 1950 Lancia that had the crankshaft concoctions? Mad fun. Still love that batshittery of the 90° more if only for roughness

Though I do love an old Lancia

[meager pewter]

They'd sound alot easier to get the scream I love

[meager pewter]

Also yeah the Lancia D50 is the crossplane V8

[indigo phoenix]

My love

[meager pewter]

Gorgeous thang

[indigo phoenix]

The D50 also used my absolute favorite type of suspension

Really what a great car

[meager pewter]

2ait what suspension?

De Dion Tube...

[indigo phoenix]

The rear was De Dion

My love

[meager pewter]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=muZC5lwYNdk

What's the benefit?

[indigo phoenix]

For De Dion? I just like it more for the mechanical working than the actual improvements they have over other forms of suspension lol

[oblique dock]

Oh, that is just wonderful

[south tree]

Another lap, same qualy:

https://fxtwitter.com/UnracedF1/status/1725263465655206385?s=20

[meager pewter]

1. Way smoother/passive off-throttle
2. NOOO RIP MY BOYYY

[oblique dock]

👀

[south tree]

You actually upgrading the Scalabroni prototype. Big W

[idle gale]

It isn't just Ferrari drivers that crashed on the formation lap...

[oblique dock]

jacques filleneuce

[willow gorge]

bruh im watching 1981 las vegas gp

what the fuck

the entire front of Patrick Tambay's car is just gone

and he just hops off

aint no way

[indigo phoenix]

Uhhhh welcome to the 1980s!

[slow sapphire]

old racers used to be badass

[willow gorge]

no tire barriers : )

[indigo phoenix]

No lots of things 💀

[round swift]

I recall Nelson Piquet saying years later that the track was so bad and the heat so unbearable he nearly retired a healthy car from the race even though it would've cost him the title

[south tree]

That’s DC I think

Also known as Minecraft Steve

[paper fossil]

My man that is Coulthard

[wary oak]

yeah i dont think jacques was in formula one in 1995

[oblique dock]

He was busy winning the Indycar title and the Indy 500 at the time

[slow sapphire]

You’re not wrong…

[desert terrace]

need to finalize rear wing, cockpit area and shorten

[oblique dock]

Oh my god

That’s a mighty fine job you’ve done

Massive props

[wary oak]

I just noticed the sponser on the rear wing lol

[south tree]

AYO

[past drift]

what about it?

[oblique dock]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ccM2fuslBEk?feature=shared

https://youtube.com/shorts/hprh6q3n5OM?feature=shared

[wary oak]

Petronas is Mercedes Title Sponsor, and it's on a Red Bull F1 car back in 1995

[oblique dock]

Well, Sauber had both Petronas and Red Bull as sponsors together from 1995-2005

[indigo phoenix]

Ty Kimi to ending all that

[past drift]

for many years, Petronas was synonymous with “rebadged Ferrari engines”

[round swift]

Sauber was basically Ferrari's B team during the Petronas engine era

[wary oak]

Wow I didn't know that

Would that be around 2001?

So basically Prost - Acer partnership was also Ferrari Engines but just renamed to Acer?

[past drift]

yes

[past drift]

i think they started in 97 or 98, and ended when bmw bought sauber for the 2006 season

just before that they got the works Ford deal off Benetton iirc

[paper fossil]

prost agreed to an incredibly rotten deal to have those engines

detailed in his book with mclaren

and interviews

[past drift]

and to think he could have had a deal with Renault if they didn’t withdraw after 97

swap Benetton with Prost and keep Williams Renault 🤑

[wary oak]

Yeah I heard that the engines they got weren’t even new but actually a year or two old engines from Ferrari

[paper fossil]

well he was paying more than he had been for really poorly made peugeots

the thing is peugeot came out and said look our power is high up on the list of the builders in f1

but that was beside the point of this era

packaging was just as if not more important and they had spent so little after 1997

their idea was to spend as little as possible to become a winning force and let everyone else carry the weight

and yet still demand ridiclous results

[wary oak]

Hey guys whats the one driver would you rank in each decade of F1? Mine would be this:

1950s - Juan Manuel Fangio
1960s - Jim Clark
1970s - Jackie Stewart
1980s - Alain Prost
1990s - Ayrton Senna
2000s - Michael Schumacher

[tough junco]

i'd argue niki for 70s

but i guess it depends if you weigh more on jackie's brilliance in the early part of the decade vs everything after

[round swift]

I'd easily give the 90s to Michael

70s to Lauda, 80s to Prost, 00s to Michael

Can't think of anyone more suited than Fangio and Clark for 50s and 60s respectively

[wary oak]

Yeah Niki was good in the 70s aswell but Jackie was never beaten by a teammate in all of the seasons he competed in

Also the balls that Niki had to come back to the sport after his almost fatal crash! It’s kinda insane

Also I think Niki had the most wins in the 70s

[frosty granite]

kinda crazy how since the turn of the millennia f1 has been dominated by like 4 guys

[past drift]

agree with you

idk if i’d give the 2010s to Vettel or Hamilton though.

probably Lewis

[indigo phoenix]

Id probably give Hamilton the edge as well. Just bc his dominance was a bit more spread out through the decade where Seb’s was massively frontloaded.

[paper fossil]

would have jody scheckter for the 70s

[paper fossil]

if it is 60's then there is an argument for graham hill

also john surtees

i can't put niki for the 70's because at best i would rank him the best driver of his first title season

i think jody across the stretch of the 70's is consistently in shout for top 3 in cars usually 3rd-4th best

[indigo phoenix]

Graham and Surtees are good shouts, but tbf I feel like in F1 both weren’t quite so brilliant as Clark. Definitely outside of F1 they were some of the drivers/motorsports men of the decade though

I would comment on the 70s but I am shamelessly biased so my opinion means fuckall

[paper fossil]

i mean surtees changes the fortunes of like 3 seperate teams immediately

and is also naturally quick

i don't exactly like the man

but he's a shout

graham is a pretty serious one given he won the same amount of titles and was in contention for just about the same number clark also was

and arguably was just as unlucky

both he and clark are actually very even across 67 as teammates

[paper fossil]

ferrari, cooper and honda

[indigo phoenix]

This is true. Will say just from available footage Clark as a driver is more beautiful to watch for me, and Graham definitely was on a par with him often, but there was just a mastery to Clark's driving visually that set him apart for me

[paper fossil]

oh jim is fully a pure natural driver

short corner

he's wrote about it and many others have since commented on it

but technically he was very limited

[indigo phoenix]

I mean. Yeah. Not nearly as broad a working range as the Surteeses of the world. But he was in the right place it the right time with the right person (Colin and his insane and concerning machines) to make the most of it

[desert terrace]

agreed. i still think he was the class of the 60s though

[wary oak]

interesting. Why would you pick Jody over Niki or Emerson? Just curious and want to hear

[indigo phoenix]

I mean Emerson leaving McLaren kinda took him out of any sort of running at the front in the late 70s

[paper fossil]

2nd in the wolf in 1977 is fucking hilarious icl

[desert terrace]

Yeah I would personally say Niki for the 70s

[paper fossil]

also the other top 3s

he's very much in mediocre machinery

and gets results

barely ever loses results by himself

i think he threw it off the road 3 times in the same year but also had engine troubles in about 4 other gp

[desert terrace]

my list :
1950s Ascari
1960s Clark
1970s Lauda
1980s Prost
1990s Senna
2000s Schumacher
2010s Hamilton
2020s Verstappen

[paper fossil]

i don't believe niki is the best driver in any season of the 70's bar 75

is the thing

i think it is tight in 76 tbf with hunt

because james makes some mistakes early season

but he also hits more mechanical troubles and that for me outweighs in a real sense niki only missing 2 gp

with emmo it is pretty difficult because mostly everyone at mclaren during the time have said james was by far a better driver

emmo would pester on about technical matters as if he knew what he was talking about

and it would just harm the team

his 74 title winning season saw mclaren make a different car for nearly every gp

also ended up leaving in a hurry

jody is most certainly heavily underrated

probably because people believe gilles should have won 79 which is utter nonsense

the idea jody was no1 in the team barely every took effect because gilles would write a number of cars off

jody knew how to win championships and gp effectively

sadly only got 1 real clean cut at it

in a very weird season too because the ferrari is barely the fastest car for most of the season but it stays within the top 3 most consistently

[indigo phoenix]

I think with Gilles it's that people mostly think that he should have got a title, and so they look to 79 as the year that got away without really evaluating the driving

[paper fossil]

his driving was pretty poor overall

i think it was most of his career

even when we get into 81-82

i despise at that mark hughes article about him being viewed incorrectly

i think he is if anything highly praised by most of the media for very little

jackie stewart didn't regard him that highly for example

like he is still just throwing it off the road for little reason in early 82

long beach i seem to remember with the funny protest wings

[indigo phoenix]

Eh I don't think Gilles was poor, just not really controlled. Certainly didn't help that he was very loved as a personality. I definitely get where the sense of an unfulfilled potential comes from with him at least, when he was at his best it was really beautiful to watch

[paper fossil]

does it in brazil

[indigo phoenix]

I do think that like. That potential would've gone unfulfilled with a career of a full duration regardless. But I get why people loved him so much

[paper fossil]

i think there is a number of drivers who also didn't win championships and gp much higher up

he figures into the idea of knocking on the door but not getting let in

i don't think he ever got close to that door personally

[indigo phoenix]

I mean. Yeah. But there's that romanticism of a lost chance in there. Also add to that that he was a very loved personality and you have the recipe for a very beloved driver

[paper fossil]

he was pretty much the same box standard driver he was from start to end

and he did have plenty of time

i can say with sennas 10 year career he still did grow

[indigo phoenix]

I mean also most of the modern love of Gilles as well comes from a curated selection of his best

And again, at his best he was really something to watch. But it also leads to a very skewed picture of what he was like as a driver overall

[paper fossil]

like there is some natural drivers who also grow and develop

or are good enough to have the will to win outright

james hunt is an example

and that is why he is a much better driver

gilles would muck about with silly feuds and aims to win this way

or appear this way

it might not be that surprising that pironi was probably actually able to level him almost immediately

reutemann despite being given no1 status in ferrari in 77 got beat by lauda which was very crushing but then he flattened gilles

i don't know when i can actually say gilles was at his peak of powers

[indigo phoenix]

It was just inconsistent with him

[paper fossil]

in the time he did get

ignoring what could have happened

[indigo phoenix]

There was like... not really a peak there were just flashes here and there

Some really stellar races surrounded by more of the same

Which tbf helps with the overall impression of unfulfilled potential. There were always a few performances a season which left you wondering what could have happened had all the pieces got put together for a full season

[paper fossil]

the potential i think is not that high for me

in that gilles was just not at all capable of any of that

if it was going to happen it would have

i usually get answered back with well he did change by the early 80's

but that isn't really so

his final act was completely stupid

tragic also of course

god i do remember some driver of the past saying nearly all of f1 fatalities are put down to driver error

[indigo phoenix]

😭 Wait yeah who was that

[paper fossil]

i forget

in all likelihood it would probably be moss

[indigo phoenix]

... yeah that sounds right

[indigo phoenix]

Also tbf that’s fair but I’m hardly one to begrudge people for being romantics about their favorite drivers. I definitely understand the emotional response to something that’s just. Done beautifully

[round swift]

About Gilles, it has to be noted not even Jacques ever spoke of him as his idol or a role model in terms of driving

I recall a French interview he did once where he outright called Gilles too reckless and too impulsive to ever be a top driver

[paper fossil]

i'm sure gilles deciding to toboggan a helicopter down a mountain had something to do with it as well

no one else in any other era would be as insane

tbh idk if his family was in that helicopter but i wouldn't doubt it

[wary oak]

true who was his teamate in 77?

wait nevermind Lol

im guessing they werent good in 78

and we dont talk about 1980...

[paper fossil]

some issues with the introduced ground effect car

like understeer

and others being way more ahead with it

i mean i think he had some great races for what it is worth here and there

[meager pewter]

This is just a real nice shot

[oblique dock]

Oh look, Jonathan Palmer

[rapid dawn]

Montoya’s deer radio message only got more famous because his engineer didn’t understand the joke in Austria

[wooden cove]

The flying finn

[magic mortar]

lol

[wary oak]

Does this mean the MP4/4 doesn’t have the highest win percentage in a season anymore?

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah

[wary oak]

Sad

[oblique dock]

A 35 year old record, now beaten

It’s gonna feel weird knowing the MP4/4 isn’t the most dominant car anymore

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah. Man. 1988 was such a great season to watch back

[oblique dock]

Senna and Prost’s duel at the French Grand Prix was brilliant

[past drift]

if you like non McLarens being 30 seconds behind

[indigo phoenix]

I’m willing to forgive the spread in the field when there’s a good fight up front. It’s why I liked 2016 plenty lmao.

[past drift]

that was the only redeeming factor in 2016 lol

[indigo phoenix]

It was sandwiched by 2014-15 and 2017-20 I’m feeling slightly more forgiving in retrospect

Also 2016 had MAX

2016 was when I got to rub that first win in the faces of everyone I knew lmao

Back to 88 tho I found it more enjoyable in retrospect than a lot of seasons

[past drift]

wdym?

[indigo phoenix]

2016 Spain. Spent all of 2015 telling anyone who would listen how Max was the messiah and especially this one friend I had who insisted he was rushed in and would burn out before ever succeeding

So uh

[past drift]

ok 😄

[indigo phoenix]

I was an insufferable motherfucker after he won

[raw hamlet]

that’s a really good photo of fisi

[frozen prism]

he was one of the most daring drivers

but one too many times he exceeded the limit

but when he was just right at the limit he was super quick

[indigo phoenix]

Yep

Brave as hell

Sometimes to the detriment of his races

[frozen prism]

I do believe he would've improved the more he raced

he was very good on the getgo

[indigo phoenix]

Maybe? Then again his career in F1 wasn't that short and he was more or less the same for the full time

[frozen prism]

yes but I'd like to think about it this way

[indigo phoenix]

Fair

[frozen prism]

Gilles might've had to race the way he did because Ferrari gave somewhat disappointing cars for 2 of his years there

and he outperformed his teammates in 1980-81

we really missed out on a potential Senna vs Villeneuve rivalry

even if it would've been relatively short you never know

[indigo phoenix]

God that would've been insanely unsafe

[frozen prism]

if some of the stars aligned

there could've been a 3 way battle for the lead with Mansell, Senna, and Gilles

imagine how that would've went

[indigo phoenix]

God I hate to think Mansell would've won that just bc I think Gilles and Senna both would've been massively destructive to each other

Ugh

[frozen prism]

the 80's were one of the most skill-blessed eras but it hurts to think it could've been even better

a Martin Brundle who doesn't break his legs, Didier Pironi, Gilles Villeneuve, Elio de Angelis, Tom Pryce potentially, and Stefan Bellof

[indigo phoenix]

God

Yeah

Welp

[oblique dock]

Tom Pryce? Who did he have a contract with for the 1980s?

[frozen prism]

that's why I said potentially

his career could've very well went into the 80's

and you never know how these alternate timelines go

plus I believe it was rumored that instead of Peterson in 1978, it would be Pryce taking the second Lotus seat

so imagine Ronnie Peterson making it into the 80's

[oblique dock]

That would be something special

[paper fossil]

pryce instead of peterson would have been more ideal for mario

if peterson had not been forced into being no2 that is

mario has pretty damnn good credit for the ground effect car though

ronnie wouldn't have been able to develop the car as well

technically he was useless

[paper fossil]

i expand on this by saying andretti was initially going to leave for ferrari before colin told him to stay but then he was once again fuming when they signed ronnie to replace a disgruntled Nilsson

[analog jasper]

I think its a bit crazy to think after almost 60 years jim clark still holds the record for most grand slams

[desert plover]

Jim Clark is still in the top 10 for most wins ever after being dead for 55 years

He is the GOAT

[frozen prism]

well actually Peterson was kind of a rushed signing for '78 I believe?

[paper fossil]

yes

it was all very last minute that he became available

arnoux i think was another consideration

[frozen prism]

Gunnar Nilsson I think was their choice had he wanted to stay?

there are rumors it was Pryce from some Lotus engineers but you never know

[paper fossil]

oh no yes

pryce was a target for years on a regular

back to 1975

[frozen prism]

man Pryce was really a lost talent

moreso than guys like Belloff

[oblique dock]

The only welshman to win a GP

[past drift]

😔

[wary oak]

Does the Race of Champions race really count as a win? It was a non-championship race, and no points from it were scored.

[wary oak]

Would you say François Cevert's death was a lost talent as much as Pryce? Cevert did pretty good considering he was against Jackie Stewart

[paper fossil]

It was not a Grand Prix so no

Was a Formula One race though

[paper fossil]

Cevert wasn’t really that good tbh

A very high chance Scheckter would have beaten him as teammates

[frozen prism]

for Cevert

I'm not too sure

he showed glimpses for sure

but I don't think he would've become a championship driver

but maybe he could've been a dark horse contender

[frozen prism]

to be fair Scheckter holds his own against a bunch of people

pretty underrated imo

[paper fossil]

Well I think it was just the opinion of many that Cevert was way too raw

He did get better over time but not substantially so

[frozen prism]

I mean he could've been

Jackie expressed his own thoughts about him

and he probably would've mentored him after his retirement

[past drift]

I think Cevert could have done more in 73, but he obliged as a lieutenant to Stewart

by 74 surely he was mature enough to mount a title challenge if Scheckter was able to do so in the same Tyrrell they would have driven

[paper fossil]

Yeah but Scheckter is just incredibly built

No business being p2 in 1977 for a start

[frozen prism]

mhm

he is much better than some people give him credit for

but he unfortunately had a short career

mostly due to that horrendous 1980 season

[paper fossil]

The man gave up like 2 races in

And it is not like there was much to build from

[frozen prism]

yeah but damn retiring after the season

[paper fossil]

Would be like Rosberg already intending to retire after 1985

But the McLaren in 86 was still a good enough car

[frozen prism]

yeah but its weird

[paper fossil]

Though firmly 3rd on pure pace

[frozen prism]

Rosberg was an underwhelming title winner

not a mediocre driver by any means

[paper fossil]

Was he?

I don’t think so

[frozen prism]

mostly given the circumstances

[paper fossil]

The Williams was like 1% slower than the Ferrari

[frozen prism]

yes he was the most consistent driver that year

but the title should've easily went to Pironi

[paper fossil]

Thank god it didn’t

[frozen prism]

Scheckters case is much different though

[paper fossil]

Because he wasn’t that great either

[frozen prism]

this was just a year after he won the title

[paper fossil]

Rosberg deserved the title

He was driving an incredibly underwhelming car

[frozen prism]

Im not denying that

but his is a different case from Scheckters

[paper fossil]

And like he destroys a lot of his teammates

[frozen prism]

Scheckter had a lot left to give

[paper fossil]

Yeah well he was 30

Rosberg was late 30s iirc

[frozen prism]

and talking about Scheckter

[paper fossil]

Yes

I addressed that

[frozen prism]

it is a bit sad that he was the driver who saw Cevert crash

[paper fossil]

It probably isn’t the same

Considering Rosberg had different reasons

[frozen prism]

mhm

anyways I think Scheckter became the driver he was partly due to Ceverts death

a bit unrelated but just something I remembered

if i recall he tried to help Cevert out of his crashed car

only to see his body essentially in halves

[paper fossil]

Yeah well Ferrari had a tradition of either ousting or creating the environment for ousting the previous years wc of the same team

Chaos at the end of 61 when Enzo didn’t even like or want Hill

Surtees and Ferrari didn’t last long either

[frozen prism]

I guess

[paper fossil]

I am sure 1980 was a shock to Jody

[frozen prism]

but I think Jody could've secured a decent seat or something

[paper fossil]

And he had done what he wanted

[frozen prism]

mhm

[paper fossil]

And had other aspirations

[frozen prism]

I believe he runs a farm now?

all I know is that he lives remotely now

[paper fossil]

Renault

But he chose to retire

[paper fossil]

Oh yeah and Lauda finding out that Reutemann was signed a no1 for 77

The whole shoestrings of the team against him

Meaning any Lauda sympathisers were sacked

Left on the spot when he realised this

It isn’t the same reasoning but you could see the team wasn’t very well unified

Apart from that short period Luca was TP

[frozen prism]

yeah no that was a dick move

moreso because of how quickly they did it after Lauda's crash

it would be understandable if Lauda was deemed unfit to race again

but man

it even affected Schumacher as apparently he was ousted from Ferrari

don't have too much on that though

so it might just be rumor

[paper fossil]

He was effectively left with no choice yeah

Luca went and got Kimi signed for 07 during 05

[quick ginkgo]

how in the world is 2004 about to be "classic"

[errant stratus]

the future is now old man

[quick ginkgo]

pretty soon ill be classic

[oblique dock]

I’m gonna be classic next year

[indigo phoenix]

I already am classic

Funny, that

[oblique dock]

The classics club

[south tree]

The Lexus LFA is 13 years old…still looks like a new car

Same with the F1 cars of 2004 tbh

[woven zinc]

it still feels like it was 10 years ago to me

maybe even less than that 😭

[woven zinc]

been in the classic club for 5 years now 😎

[frozen prism]

ah Bruce McLaren

one of the smartest racing minds that got taken away too soon

[oblique dock]

Mac laren

The little board above his head got his name a bit wrong

[frozen prism]

mhm

this was his rookie season I reckon?

[oblique dock]

Well the sign says Cooper, so probably

[frozen prism]

wait nevermind

Phil Hill joined Cooper AFTER his Ferrari stint

no idea how they still misspelled his name

or if they just had it like that

[oblique dock]

Ah

[frozen prism]

Bruce McLaren is such a lost talent

[oblique dock]

Indeed

[frozen prism]

he had a successful F1 career, F1 team, and a Can-Am team before he was 33

he could've been more successful than his counterpart Jack Brabham as an owner-driver

[oblique dock]

And on top of that, he won Le Mans in 1966

[frozen prism]

mhm

all for his life to be taken by a lone marshal post that should've been taken down years ago

in what would've been a very open field

you literally cannot get any more unlucky than that

[oblique dock]

RIP Bruce Mclaren

1937-1970

[paper fossil]

Idk

I think it is a shame he wasn’t about longer though

[idle gale]

The Japanese Commentary of the Alesi v Senna battle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnCRdaJtJqo&ab_channel=AARMk3

[idle gale]

Before Rich Energy, there was T Minus

[paper fossil]

Besides how dodgy that all was and in the end killed TWR/Arrows the livery was great

[woven zinc]

^^

[desert terrace]

bro fell for a literal nigerian prince scam

[paper fossil]

Bro did not know how to get backers into F1

Should have never been running a financially stripped F1 team

As good as he was in WSC and BTCC

And in his specific role at Benetton

[timid pulsar]

in all honesty and with no disrespect to bruce ken miles should have won le mans that year

[desert terrace]

well in that context, massa is 2008 world champion

[north sand]

Congrats @desert terrace, you're now on lap 20

[night hare]

Difference is that the fia didn’t ask massa to hand over the lead of the championship for a photo finish, that was massas own doing

[desert terrace]

true, but a fraudulent race cost him the title

[past drift]

which one?

[desert terrace]

singapore 2008

crashgate

[past drift]

it’s not piquet crashing that made him go too early with the fuel nozzle still attached 🤷

[past drift]

also the british gp is another race you can argue massa lost the title

[stark bolt]

And hungary when the engine went

[past drift]

mhm

[oblique dock]

Silverstone, too

When Ferrari’s performance was shockingly bad

[past drift]

Massa finished last, Kimi 4th, one lap down

[paper fossil]

Ferrari on Friday and Saturday practices heavily fucked up on set up for an expected dry qualifying

Engine mapping settings on Massa’s car were ridiculous

Also worth noting though Kimi should have won that race

He was catching lewis by shed loads before Ferrari decided against changing his wet tyres at a stop and then it rained heavily again

[indigo phoenix]

https://youtu.be/1nmT2isPyZc?si=PkYoO9WWtVV-wikl

[timid pulsar]

Not really though? It's team orders that were the problem in le mans

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah I don't really understand that claim

2008 was a sea of issues for Massa, race fixing aside

[paper fossil]

Australia, Malaysia and Britain come to mind

But then for Lewis much more comes to mind

Given how perfect he had been in 07 he was very disappointing in 08

[indigo phoenix]

08 was one of those seasons where it felt like if the title could be given to no one, it should've been given to no one

[paper fossil]

Give it to Alonso

[indigo phoenix]

I'd want to but the Renault didn't deserve shit lmao

Two* wins were more than it ever shoulda gotten

[paper fossil]

I mean

Was just talking about Alonso aight

He does the same thing 09

He’s like arguably 3rd best driver in 08 anyway

People will want to say Kubica

In a pretty mistaken ridden season I can’t think of much he does wrong

And the car is sub optimal till like summer

Canada tbf I think he throws away a result like he did in 05

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah

My thing is usually I want the WDC to go to the best driver + car combination.... 08 it felt like every possible candidate was lacking in one or both components

[paper fossil]

He desperately puts everything on to get results not possible at Valencia too

Causes contact

Probably his fault

[indigo phoenix]

Speaking of Valencia Ferrari and their fuel hoses...

[past drift]

give it to Bobby Kubicaaa

[indigo phoenix]

That would imply giving BMW Sauber anything for that season. Which would be funny, I'll grant you

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/QiUaV1yYOq8?feature=shared

[wary oak]

Who’s the driver?

[oblique dock]

Well well well. If it isn’t Juan Pablo Montoya

[strong patrol]

No bruh

It’s Lewis Hamilton

stupid

[indigo phoenix]

[white canyon]

What do you mean you blind idiot

[limpid spindle]

Nah, it's 100% lewis

[past drift]

who’s blind, the one who shitposts, or the one who doesn’t see the obvious sarcasm?

[limpid spindle]

Lmao

[upbeat gate]

Dome F105, with 7 Eleven

[past drift]

95?

shame they couldn’t run, Dome is serious racing stuff

[oblique dock]

They tested their unraced F1 project a year later and in 1997 at Suzuka and at Motegi

https://youtu.be/XyWQXHqoiM4?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/z5P6CYt68q4?feature=shared

[past drift]

do you know why they didn’t race? just money i assume

[oblique dock]

First off, I was wrong about 97. Dome tested at Motegi and Suzuka in 1996

And apparently, it was due to a lack of sponsors

[past drift]

:/

imagine they actually run, and in 1999 Honda chooses to partner/buy them for their comeback that was canned when Postlesthwaite doed

[oblique dock]

yea. shame

It would’ve been interesting to see that RA099 compete in the ‘99 season

https://youtu.be/xOnXeTceEy0?feature=shared

https://youtu.be/BqAgC3KpVlU?feature=shared

[tough talon]

Guys chill , Thats Clearly Yuki Tsunoda 😮‍💨

[paper fossil]

Swear the DOME car set fire not far into one of its early tests

[meager pewter]

YEah it's engine blew in another Video

[indigo phoenix]

Man. Late 80s/early 90s F1 cars looked so fucking good. Helps that Monaco is a great backdrop but like. Goddamn

[past drift]

makes for a great mobile wallpaper

[wary oak]

yup. my iphone background is gilles villeneuve in his 312T5 from 1980

[desert terrace]

the best of drivers in the worst of cars

[paper fossil]

🇸🇪

[indigo phoenix]

Mmmmmm the lighting

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTSxbReLR00&ab_channel=JoshRevell

[paper fossil]

I have another pic of the tunnel way back in the 60s

Is probably one of my favourite Formula One car pics

[indigo phoenix]

Show

[indigo phoenix]

The wings oh my god

I love it

I’ve seen a similar one to that one colorized but it looks much better in black and white

[wary oak]

1969 Monaco GP?

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah

[wary oak]

It was the first race that a driver had a full race helmet on *that won

someone want to try and guess the name and year of this F1 car?

[indigo phoenix]

That is an Alfa test car

81?

[oblique dock]

Alfa Romeo 179C, 1979?

[wary oak]

it is an test car thats the hard part

[oblique dock]

wait, the 179C wasn't used in 1979

[wary oak]

is it 179C, E, F, or G

Lol

[indigo phoenix]

IT IS FROM 81

[oblique dock]

there was no e, f , or g

damn

[oblique dock]

Wait, nvm. the damn sign says 179F

[indigo phoenix]

Icl the background gave it away

Bc I have looked at several pictures from the damn museum before

[wary oak]

There was B, C, D, and F

[indigo phoenix]

The B C and D raced

Iirc the F did not

Unless I'm wrong

[wary oak]

179C
179D
179F (didnt race)
These three were in 1981

179D was 1982

Not sure why they named it that way though

[oblique dock]

Alongside the 182

[indigo phoenix]

Wasn't there a T in there?

[wary oak]

in where?

[indigo phoenix]

There was iirc a 179 variant that used a V8

I think it was 179T but I could be wrong

Could be something else

[wary oak]

It was called the 179T

Lol

[indigo phoenix]

I very much remember an autosport forum post about it lmao

[wary oak]

"There was also a V8-engined test mule of this car, the 179T in 1982, which was used to test the new 1.5 L turbocharged engine."

[indigo phoenix]

Oh aight sick

[wary oak]

The 179F was fully carbon-fibre

[indigo phoenix]

Found the autosport post and all the image links have succumbed to rot

Alas

[paper fossil]

Dijon 1974 there is a bigger image of this

Okay left to right we will start bottom row up

Phil Hill, Villoresi and Toulo de Graffenried

No clue who the guy is at the top furthest left and whoever the guy cut out is

Fittipaldi, Lang, Herrmann, Graham Hill, Geier, Surtees and Chiron

Again no clue who the guy in the sunglasses behind Geier and Surtees is

[wary oak]

Oh really I didn’t know

[meager pewter]

Consider

Note the coilovers are in the cockput

[oblique dock]

Ah, the 182.

The last Alfa Romeo to score a pole position

[meager pewter]

Mmm, 9ne of my fave cars just... Overall

I think

1982 was a banger year

[past drift]

banger. yes… 👀

[desert terrace]

i love how they just painted on the alfa grille

like the old tipo 33/2 which had a grille shaped metal plate

[fleet wigeon]

1994 Ferrari onboard at Jerez

[meager pewter]

mmm, some 16,000rpm v12 les goooo

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/cKrdICO-aUw?feature=shared

[wary oak]

thats a crazy angle wow

[paper fossil]

They used that in 94 a lot

Ugly af angle

Ngl prefer the onboard shots they used in like 95

Till the end of 97

[willow gorge]

fr

[willow gorge]

I like when the camera is in the center instead of the offset we see nowadays

super formula and indycar have done it well

[paper fossil]

Yeah idk why it changed

[meager pewter]

High FOV gone wrong

[paper fossil]

it is good

i think

[meager pewter]

Imo you'd want a bit less angle

Those 90's angles are quite aggressive

[paper fossil]

bring it a bit further forward

but keep it in the middle

[paper fossil]

it probably lends itself better with the cars

[south tree]

If you ask me, it’s better than this

[night hare]

I know this isn't exactly a hot take but my personal favourite angle is the one they recently reintroduced

The one that sits next to the drivers helmet

[wary oak]

Some cool angles too

[idle gale]

One weird and hilarious fact about those old onboard cameras is that one of them came loose and destroyed a suspension of Gerhard Berger's Ferrari at Monza in 1995

[willow gorge]

poor burger

[past drift]

then the driver is Jean Alesi and you can’t see shit

[paper fossil]

While 1-2 as well

[past drift]

can you get more Ferrari than that

[paper fossil]

Funny thing is Alesi could have won the Italian GP at least 3-4 times

And all in succession

1994-1997

His parents being from Sicily and racing for Ferrari in two of those would have made it special for him

[fleet wigeon]

And Ferrari got a double DNF

Patrick depailler tyrrell onboard kyalami 1977

And 6 wheeler btw

[past drift]

the only one who drove fast with cameras

[paper fossil]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dr6A3h-SxwM

round 3 when they are guessing the engine sounds infuritates me

like i don't know exactly what each of them is at all like it is so hard

but like all the guests have no clue what cylinders they have sometimes

and have mixed the pre 95 and post 94 engine sounds up

[indigo phoenix]

Merzario’s hat game impeccable as always

I still want this hat it looks sick as hell

[paper fossil]

“Patrick Depailler was great, but mad. He got arrested driving to the French GP at Dijon, flat out down the wrong side of the road. Ken had to get him out of jail so he could start the race. He was very French. I remember saying to him, ‘Patrick, that corner, what are you doing there?’ And he’d say: ‘It ees quite flat.’ I’d think, shit, he’s taking that flat? I’m lifting off there, no way can I do it flat. It was about halfway through the season before I realised he was talking French English – to him, ‘Quite flat’ meant not quite flat." - Jody Scheckter

[indigo phoenix]

“He was very French” lmao

[paper fossil]

“Fittipaldi came to find me in the pits and delivered a heated monologue at me about newcomers not holding up the World Champion. He went on and on, and when he got to the end I pointed out that he’d had 42 laps to get past me, and if we found ourselves in the same situation in the future I’d do exactly the same again" - Scheckter on colliding with Fittipaldi in the French GP of 1973

bro literally just turned in on him

[indigo phoenix]

And he’d DO IT AGAIN

[meager pewter]

I'mma have a gander

[paper fossil]

i got like 1 fully correct

engine and year

[meager pewter]

And I'll post my guesses

[paper fossil]

and another engine correct

the rest ik what part of the v10 era it was but not who built it and what year specifically

rest of the quiz is pretty piss easy tbh lmao

[meager pewter]

1. sounds like a 1995-1997 V10, like maybe the Peugeot or Mercedes
2. Easy Ferrari 65°V12 from 1991~
3. 1998 McLaren
4. Circa 2002, Just gonna throw out Honda

So I got year right for 2 and Manufacturer right for 3 which is cool

[meager pewter]

These guys are so eager to try and state 20,000rpm... the only one in a race to really do so was Cosworth and that was their 2006 CA V8

You'd think they'd like... Know that

[paper fossil]

they get

the two completely different sounds

of as i said pre 95 and post 94 mixed up

like the vanilla v10 is the one 95 onwards

it changes a bit here and there after that

but 89-94 sounds like completely different to my ears

[meager pewter]

Weirdly I'd say you can hear the difference between the 3.5 and 3.0 V10's, But I'm not sure how to articulate why

[paper fossil]

oh you can

that is difference

they seem unable to remember that

like andrew says one of them is the honda v10 senna had

[meager pewter]

Yeah that was dumb

[paper fossil]

when it sounds nothing like his monaco onboard

[paper fossil]

first is renault 97

second i think is correct

3rd was mclaren 00

4th was honda 04

[meager pewter]

That Honda V10 is gorgeous but like... There's a raw violence in the RA100E's that sound so good

[paper fossil]

i knew the mclaren simply because of that weird isolated sound it makes

v12 easy

but i had no clue what year it was

[meager pewter]

Yeah the McLaren has the signature 10:1 exhaust

[paper fossil]

the v12 ferrari to me sounds exactly the same every year

till it goes

[meager pewter]

Which sounds just gorgeous

Well there's reason for that

It moreorless was the same engine until 1994

[paper fossil]

even 95

sounds same to me

for some reason

i really don't like the pre 95 v10's for some reason anyway

they just sound weird

[meager pewter]

They went from the 65°V to Todt coming in then busted out the Tipo.043 75°V12 which had a difference but

[paper fossil]

it might be because the first things i ever watched online of f1 was sennas crash and it has that v10

the sound on the broadcast shots is very different too

obviously

that sound just doesn't sit right with me for some reason

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/sir2gPkMmE8?si=F9V7YxCTIQP-JJRT

No you have a point, in the 93/94 seasons they must've placed the mic somewhere weird

[paper fossil]

93

i can only tell a difference

with that v12

tbf

94 sounds like 95 to me

and previous

[meager pewter]

At the end of the video you hear the raw noise of the 1994 Renault

[paper fossil]

is it that senna testing one

yeah i've seen that

[meager pewter]

Does that still put you off?

https://youtu.be/cKrdICO-aUw?si=KzngET6Ae76IMqvD

Also you can hear some weeeeird mechanicals going on here

[paper fossil]

it is defintely more of a screamer when they go to 3.0 regardless anyway

like it is vanilla v10 then

[meager pewter]

I wonder how much of that is actually the displacement or just more homoginising of bank angles and uh... The increased revs

[paper fossil]

idk yeah might be right about the audio on the 93/94 stuff though

yeah well i seem to remember as i've said before motogp changing its displacement turned everything into massive screamers

that was mostly because ducati decided to just over rev the engine to make back for the changes and then make it manageable for the rider afterwards

[meager pewter]

Based

[paper fossil]

was a bad thing 800cc

from 1000cc

as it turns out

worst era of motogp for sure

[meager pewter]

Just I wonder if they made the 3.5's V10's above 16 if they'd've sounded the same or much different

So I've heard

[paper fossil]

different angle tbf

but yeah that is a bit weird

[meager pewter]

It did make the ZX-RR sound nuts tho

You heard the RS Cube?

[paper fossil]

i really hate that angle

again

[paper fossil]

seen it

death trap

[oblique dock]

The 1995 Ferrari V12 has both Ferrari and Honda tones to it imo. It has the perfect balance of both

[paper fossil]

as colin edwards would know

[meager pewter]

You can hear the Brake Disc and gearbox from the sound of it

[meager pewter]

Oh wow... I've seen it's Engine at least

[oblique dock]

You heard the Foggy Petronas FP1?

[paper fossil]

not race

but i've seen it

would be too young to see it

race

shakey byrne i think went to hell and back on that thing

he despised that year with it

last one wasn't it

2004

[meager pewter]

Here we are

[paper fossil]

yep cozza stuff

it has some really neat things

[meager pewter]

I applied for them earlier this year

Hence the visit

[paper fossil]

but it was just all too quick

for motogp

at the time

i think aprilia likely let down with how they crafted the frame as well

so important

for motorcycle racing

[meager pewter]

Cosworth when you tell them they need Inertia after they just spent the last 3 years taking 30kg out of a V10

[paper fossil]

glad they are paying back now

with being competitive

got some briliant former f1 guys there doing aero

[meager pewter]

No actually, only the road versions which didjn't rev as high as I liked

[oblique dock]

The FP1 sounds quite nice

[meager pewter]

also this... The Honda vibe is deffo from that bank angle

[meager pewter]

Cosworth don't do... OH APRILIA

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/79eEC4Fpbh0

[paper fossil]

that v12 is glorious

but

i prefer the matra v12

[oblique dock]

Same.

[paper fossil]

and the weslake too

[meager pewter]

I actually think this 044/1 is too high

[oblique dock]

The Matra V12 is to die for

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgEP5e3yca0&pp=ygULTWF0cmEgbXMxMjA%3D

[meager pewter]

Hence one of the reasons why I think overall my fave engine redline range is 16-16.5

Coz the 412T2's were cracking into 17's

[oblique dock]

Imagine if CART engines cracked into the 18000 RPM rev range

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/rvTVFkK8ouI?si=ABbptoR_luYBrTXz Here we are

[meager pewter]

I mean they weren't that far off

[oblique dock]

My favorite Ligier apart from the JS11/15

[meager pewter]

The other half of this bias is coz those F1 V8's post 2008 with an 18,000rpm redline

They sound off

I don't like em

[oblique dock]

What about motorcycle engines?

And more specifically, Honda's Inline 6's and Inline 5's that revved up to that rev range or so

[meager pewter]

They're... You can't hear much from those I feel, or enough for me

[paper fossil]

ah yes that is the other same engine era sound change i've always noticed

08 to 09

[meager pewter]

https://youtube.com/shorts/WSRXYXfyic8?si=cW8ugEwWPtvzCasJ

Screw it

[paper fossil]

fundamentally to me it is different

[oblique dock]

I've seen that. It's honestly glorious

[paper fossil]

also can swear it sounds different again in the last year too

[meager pewter]

That's the exception to the too high rule

[paper fossil]

2013

[meager pewter]

Probably some weird side effect of further Blown diffuser workarounds/restrictions

[paper fossil]

might be the merc

i notice it with

idk

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/GOPDGrsABAM Ok, what about this

[paper fossil]

i think i prefer it in 06-08 though

but i'm nostalgic

[meager pewter]

Oh buddy this is the sex

But that NASCAR doesn't have the X Factor

[paper fossil]

probably best 08 because you don't have tc

[oblique dock]

That reminds me. early IRL cars + 8-1 exhaust

[meager pewter]

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYIN@

[oblique dock]

IKR

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/8uRvqPZcq_I?si=YPe1GTKpm_3cfBqE

Pffff

[oblique dock]

That aside, I'm curious to know how an AMG GT or even an AMG GT3 would sound like with an 8-1 exhaust

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/KOPOrCtVJ_Q?si=KxAIMqEcJF4ajn--

I think my favourite V8 note from F1 is this

[oblique dock]

I'm still a sucker for the DFV's

[paper fossil]

dammn

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSqabjeE2Rk&pp=ygUITG9sYSBERlY%3D

[meager pewter]

The DFV's are funky they have some weird V-Twin/10 harmonic in there

You can hear it even on that video from 0:09-0:012

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/JFjOtKubeJg?t=139

Here's another example

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/T9AIudEyqVI?si=tfkDpbrVuyoPydvx

I'm just surprised that the Harmonics of the DFV were not only Unique but have stayed Unique

[paper fossil]

yep that's the thing michele alboreto used to blow up

often to the annoyance of ken tyrrell

[meager pewter]

Wha?

[paper fossil]

yeah

he would umm

skip gears i think

[oblique dock]

Didn't you mention that he also changed gear without the clutch

[paper fossil]

which was not the best thing to try as like a new driver

oh yeah did that

too

tbf he eventually mastered that

that's like something i've actually done out on the road as well

in case i ever needed it you know

[meager pewter]

Yeah floating

It's easier with gearboxes like that

Whether your engine likes that is neither here nor there

[paper fossil]

don't think the dfv actually liked it

it was said in a motorsport magazine podcast with dernie