classic-motorsport

[wary oak]

Yeah both seasons were terrific

5 teams weren’t using it. Aging engine as it was used since the 1960s. Still powerful but very old engine. Wouldn’t mean it wouldn’t win the championship with the engine lol

“Drivers Mario Andretti in 1978, Alan Jones in 1980, Nelson Piquet in 1981 and Keke Rosberg in 1982 used a combination of British ground effect chassis and a DFV engine to claim the Drivers' Championship while DFV-powered cars took the Formula 1 Constructors' World Championship in 1978, 1980 and 1981.”

Weren’t the turbo engines the reason it became uncompetitive?

[paper fossil]

Ye

I remember Carlos Reutemann did the qualifying of his life in Italy 81 and yet he was still like half a second down on Arnoux for pole

[meager pewter]

Yes but only Renault had a Turbo in 1978/79

Only 3 teams didn't use a DFV in 1979 as Brabham moved back to Cozzies halfway through after the Alfa Deal busted

After the BMW and Renault Turbo engines came about in 83/84 was where the N/A engines let alone the DFV was outclassed

[paper fossil]

Ferrari in 82 at least

Williams were like 2% a lap slower than Ferrari that year

Keke Rosberg let alone being the only NA to challenge is godly

[oblique dock]

And the last NA champion until Alain Prost in 1989

[wary oak]

Yeah I was talking about the early 1980s. Did ground effect have any affect on the engines they had to use throughout the seasons?

Maybe lower centre of gravity

[meager pewter]

Not quite

Because before Ground effect tyat was true, and so the Italians fully went with Flat-12's

Matra even prototyped one

However, having a flat engine means you compromise your tunnel geometry

So ironically the Ground effect concept kept the DFV going by playing to it's advantage in that it was small

[oblique dock]

Matra had a prototype flat 12?

[meager pewter]

http://speedhunters-wp-production.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/09214022/Matra_Engines_Romorantin-10-1200x749.jpg

http://www.speedhunters.com/2013/10/sonic-destroyers-v12-thing/

They would've had a baller V6 too

But Chrysler did to Matra-Simca similar to how they'd do Lamborghini

[oblique dock]

Oh damn

[meager pewter]

For 1971

Earlier than I thought

[oblique dock]

Yeah

[river cave]

that whole '82 season is bonkers

Prost eliminated through reliability, Keke and Watson fighting for the title

Ferrari barely losing out because, well Pironi had no kneecaps and Gilles was

yeah...

[past drift]

Watson also did

[paper fossil]

True

[paper fossil]

https://twitter.com/thebishf1/status/1701197690040668507?s=46

Matt Bishop 🏳️‍🌈 🏁 (@TheBishF1)

He died #OnThisDay 45 years ago. His name was Ronnie Peterson. Everyone called him SuperSwede. Remember him this way. ❤️

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[wary oak]

Is that Pirro in the middle?

[oblique dock]

Yes

He was a test driver for Mclaren back then

[twilit relic]

who is the right (long) and left

[oblique dock]

Right: Alain Prost
Left: Ayrton Senna

[twilit relic]

the goat

[tough talon]

dont worry its just 2 goats on both sides

[oblique dock]

Meanwhile Pirro’s got a name for himself in endurance racing

[stark bolt]

You posted this in every channel 💀

[wary oak]

Nice to know. Just found him testing the MP4/4B at Suzuka. The caption says 'suspension tests'

Then after Pirro, was it Allan McNish?

Eddie Jordan testing the McLaren, 1980

[meager pewter]

Gil de Ferran les gooo

[river cave]

bro Coulthard looks like an infant wth

[wary oak]

He would’ve been around 19 years old lol

[river cave]

bruh younger than me and driving a F1 car wtf

Fastest thing i've driven is a mate's Commodore

[oblique dock]

👀

[past drift]

Max also was lol

[wise basalt]

Senna moment

[south tree]

Enrique Scalabroni’s F1 car prototype from 1993

[desert terrace]

thats ...
...stable under braking

[south tree]

I have so many questions about that thing

That Scalabroni guy took part in the designing of cars like the 1989 Ferrari 640 F1-89 or the 641 F1-90

[paper fossil]

Oh dear

That thing again

[wise dirge]

it's likely it rendered wrong

wtf

[south tree]

The image is okay, but honestly I don’t see the reason of changing the wheels positions

[wise dirge]

yeah ik it is

but it's so odd

[south tree]

There is also an Indycar version

[oblique dock]

I didn’t know Scalabroni made an Indycar version of that design

[south tree]

The indycar version is legit a open wheeler F104 Starfighter

[indigo phoenix]

I love Scalabroni sm I want whatever he was on

[south tree]

I love him for his 640 and 641

Such masterpieces

[paper fossil]

The 640 without the airbox is weird but yes nice enough car

[oblique dock]

Shame the gearbox was unreliable as hell

[indigo phoenix]

I just love designers with specific hallmarks and calling cards what can I say

[paper fossil]

I mean iirc Durand didn’t like working with Scalabroni

So much he joined McLaren

Then realised Scalabroni was leaving anyway

[indigo phoenix]

Lmaoooo

[paper fossil]

Scalabroni never fits into my mind as one of the greatest gp designers

He did his bit

[indigo phoenix]

He's not but he is idiosyncratic and that's what I enjoy

[paper fossil]

Thing is much as the 641 is lauded

It was quite slower than the McLaren in reality

The real difference maker was better reliability and Prost

They could have pushed on but decided to continue being like Ferrari

To the dismay of Steve Nichols

[outer pier]

bro looks like drago from rocky

[oblique dock]

Holy shit I can’t unsee it now

Thank you.

[outer pier]

he is secretly russian!!1

[desert terrace]

🇫🇷 🔫

they sacked a frenchman

then a couple of years later they hired another frenchman

[wise dirge]

? dude

[south tree]

Another unraced F1 car. This time it looks normal tho

That’s the 1991 Honda RC100

[deft carbon]

looks good

[south tree]

Indeed it does

The engine is the V12 seen in the 1991 MP4/6

[deft carbon]

They are honda prototypes

The cars are in Motegi now

[south tree]

Apparently the RC100 didn’t survive

Wait nvm

But I think it’s not at Motegi

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/kS_teayyvZQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpYjBG9ROt4

And here are the Honda prototypes in action

[desert terrace]

Are we doing unraced F1 cars now?

Here's the 1995 Dome F105

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/f1wikia/images/a/ab/Dome_F105.png/revision/latest?cb=20220421231406

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ5m4B2YajU

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/z5P6CYt68q4?feature=shared

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/XyWQXHqoiM4?feature=shared

[desert terrace]

One of my favourite f1 cars of all time tbh

Then theres the DAMS GD01

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/kl4mskPDhx0

And then there is the Lotus-Isuzu 102 from 1991

[desert terrace]

but the 102 raced, just the engine didn't

right

[oblique dock]

Yup

[desert terrace]

bc it was a Lamborghini engine

and later ford, and judd

iirc

[south tree]

Ford

I will come later with another unraced F1 project

[upbeat gate]

This?

Oh wait, it's a Sauber but with Ford logos

[woven zinc]

yeah it's the C14 in its testing livery

[verbal prism]

I wish they could bring back the Twin Ring Motegi oval?

[oblique dock]

Sane

*Same

[chrome basin]

this looks amazing

[oblique dock]

how does this fit in with the channel

[upbeat gate]

This video dosen't matched with this channel lol

[oblique dock]

I know

[past drift]

🧹

[idle gale]

The Two Mikas

[south tree]

Looks nice

Also, new day, new unraced F1 project

1994 Ikuzawa HW-001

And yep, the designer is Enrique Scalabroni

[indigo phoenix]

RIP Mika Salo's first win that they sacrificed

[upbeat gate]

Thanks to Ferrari's disgusting team order

[indigo phoenix]

Ah well. Happens. Happened today to a much lesser extent. Just a shame for Mika that he came so close

[past drift]

the Mika came close

[round swift]

ery nice

[north sand]

Congrats @round swift, you're now on lap 5

[analog lake]

Just did the driver (Gonna try to make a race manager game in Unreal Engine)

[ember sparrow]

Are early 2000 F1 considered classic ?

[ember sparrow]

Ok ok 👍

[ember sparrow]

love driving this beast in ac

[desert terrace]

lemme guess

1967?

[oblique dock]

Doesn’t look like 1965 to me

This is the 312/67 from 1967

[desert terrace]

ah ok

my classic ferrari knowledge is crummy

[molten garden]

Highlight season of Salo

[ember sparrow]

Yep

this thing only want to drive sideways

[acoustic void]

He said 67….

[twilit relic]

first ferrari f1 ferrari 125

[twilit relic]

it look more clean at back than 67

[twilit relic]

what year

[upbeat gate]

I guess 2000

[idle gale]

Which of the two slow cars do you think would win in a race?

[past drift]

the Forti

[paper fossil]

The Lola literally had aero worse than a F3000 car

[wary oak]

🤣

[upbeat gate]

Like yeah, Forti had much better pace than Mastercard Lola

[stark bolt]

It was literally based on indycar 💀

Or champ car

[desert terrace]

Forti for sure

it managed to qualify

and the 107% rule was designed around then still being mostly able to race

[meager pewter]

to think they wanted their own engine program

[oblique dock]

Ugh…

[outer pier]

1988 brazil, christmas festival thing is held and ayrton senna attends, the lady greets ayrton and gives him a kiss, each kiss would follow after a word... "happy 89" "happy 90" "happy 91" "happy 92" "happy 93" notice how she didnt say 1994.kind of eerie when you think about it.

[oblique dock]

yup. that scene with xuxa in the Senna documentary

[desert terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-stare-sesame-street-rocco-death-stare-gif-24438342

[idle gale]

"No heroics into Sainte Devote please!"

Too late

[oblique dock]

If it isn’t our good friend, Derek Daly

[molten garden]

Driver
Forti: Diniz
Lola: Rosset

[desert terrace]

Monaco '80 iirc

[indigo phoenix]

https://youtu.be/sCv-dIFGcd0?si=B1aQ7-ijkK4u9HOz

[past drift]

funnily enough, Phil Hill actually finished the race in 2nd place and was leading the standings

[paper fossil]

That Grand Prix film is funny

A product of its time

[indigo phoenix]

Was waiting for that comment

Flying Clipper is..... A Very Movie

[indigo phoenix]

Really just. Pure 1960s movie.

Also bc it's Monaco and the 60s ofc Grace Kelly

[twilit relic]

love the white bodykit

[idle gale]

Even in the Eurosport coverage, you can tell the Life L190 is just pootling along
https://youtu.be/8l4mTVP0u6s?feature=shared&t=194

[uncut tundra]

This chat dead as fuck

[tame plaza]

am i the only one who thinks that imola is such a flowy track? but i think the starting chicane kinda makes it unflowy for a bit,does anyone has it with the tamborello for assetto corsa?

like before 1994

[past drift]

aye it was, slower than Monza but still up there in terms of undisrupted flow

[meager pewter]

Aight bet

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EyewLF7XEAActLd.jpg

https://cdn.crash.net/styles/amp_1200/s3/original/3868.jpg?itok=En7jNLoW

Have my second Fave sauber

[indigo phoenix]

Good choice

I kinda wish RB would tribute this livery, at least with the teal at some point

[woven zinc]

^^

[past drift]

it's cool but too subtle for them

Red Bull doesn't seem to like subtlety

[jaunty plover]

Is this Senna?

[jaunty plover]

Ayrton 🇫

[round swift]

Prost

[jaunty plover]

Oops....

[wary oak]

Senna has a yellow helmet

[jaunty plover]

I don't remember this anymore.

[wary oak]

It's one of the most iconic F1 helmets ever

[molten salmon]

After their falling out?

[indigo phoenix]

I mean don't ask me about the logic of it, they absolutely wouldn't (Kimi is worth falling out for), but I like the color a lot and would be fun to see it back in some form

[outer pier]

brazil 91

[idle gale]

So I guess Brazil 1991 isn't the only time Ayrton won while having a gearbox failure

[willow gorge]

Holy shit

Mika's start in the 2000 Suzuka GP was insane

[indigo phoenix]

Oh you’re watching Suzuka 2000?

[river cave]

yes it was

I'm sure his start in '99 was also good

buuuuuut how much of that was Mika being fast and Michael

not wanting the history books to say Ferrari's first champion in 20 years was some Irish bloke

[river cave]

Never seen this image until now

[indigo phoenix]

That's Monza, right? Where Senna got a lil ride

[river cave]

yes Monza 87

[agile surge]

biiiiiiiig nose

[past drift]

cars had huge noses until the mp4/4 came around

[river cave]

yes big schonz

it also has active suspension

[agile surge]

Ivan Capelli for Leyton House, 1990, French Grand Prix

[willow gorge]

yeah i was but i think i fell asleep on it 😭

[indigo phoenix]

Anyways

1994 Silverstone

Funny as shit

[willow gorge]

what happened in 1994 silverstone

[indigo phoenix]

Well you see

There was a bit of a title fight in 94

And Schumi uhhhhh won by very Benetton means

[willow gorge]

what does that mean

[indigo phoenix]

He got DSQd twice that season lmfao

Silverstone was the first one

[willow gorge]

oh lol

[indigo phoenix]

Schumi overtakes Hill in the formation laps twice, gets a penalty

Ignores this penalty

Completely

So he gets flagged for ignoring the penalty

Then RC rescinds that flag bc Schumi kept racing anyway

[willow gorge]

was there a communication issue?

or did he just not give a fuck

[indigo phoenix]

Not a single fuck given

He'd later be disqualified from that race and get a two race ban so

King had it worked out

[willow gorge]

why did he not care 😭

[indigo phoenix]

It's Schumi in 94, there was not a single thought in his mind that wasn't pure scheme

He won that title with two retirements, two race bans, two DSQs, and a partidge in a pear tree

Every other race he finished P1 or P2 lmao

Because Schumi

[willow gorge]

is this what they refer to when they say modern f1 is boring

[indigo phoenix]

No, 94 was an exceptional season in a lot of respects

[willow gorge]

👀

[indigo phoenix]

First off, Senna and Ratzenberger died, there were a lot of injuries to spectators and marshalls that season, the defending champion had retired, it was.... a lot

That was also the season driver aids were banned

(This did not stop Benetton from most definitely allegedly but absolutely using driver aids lmao, just not on the car that was inspected)

[willow gorge]

lmao

[willow gorge]

wait a minute spectators were injured?

[indigo phoenix]

Refueling came back that season, and in general partway through the season after too much tragedy they started changing things to curtail the speed

[indigo phoenix]

Yes, debris from a crash at Imola caused injuries

[willow gorge]

did they come to the conclusion that maybe there shouldn't be a concrete wall on the outside of a highspeed corner

[indigo phoenix]

Mechanics got injured that season

[willow gorge]

wow i didnt know that

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah

That season was..... exceptional in a lot of bad ways

I think even Senna commented at the beginning of the season that getting rid of all the driver aids without trying to mitigate the risks from the high speeds that weren't being reduced was going to cause injuries in the future... it's pretty grim

So like. Not a boring season but not a normal or particularly acceptable one

[indigo phoenix]

But uhhhh when I say modern F1 is boring I usually mean there's a lack of a title fight bc that's theoretically supposed to be the main focus an arc of a season

Not that it always is, but that's what you would ideally want in a healthy sport

[willow gorge]

I find it funny how they didn't listen to the drivers even though they are the ones on track

[indigo phoenix]

Found an article detailing a good bit about just how much went wrong that season, but yeah. https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/archive/article/december-2004/44/the-diary-of-disaster/

[wary oak]

Hey guys, what rivalry do you think was bigger? Schumacher vs Hill or Schumacher vs Häkkinen?

[slow sapphire]

Schumacher vs. Coma

[wary oak]

I'm pretty sure the other rivalries were a lot better, and longer...

[upbeat gate]

Schumacher vs Hill

[past drift]

there was more respect between the Michael and the Mika

[upbeat gate]

2001 is probably Mika's downfall

Which caused the rise of Ferrari in early 2000s

[past drift]

is it the year they couldn't use beryllium alloys any longer

[upbeat gate]

I'm sure it is

[paper fossil]

Bro

He won that one anyway

[paper fossil]

Yes

[slow sapphire]

I know that

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPpIZWRUEXk

I love the fact that the 191 was allegedly supposed to be called the Jordan 911, but Porsche went "Hang on, that's our brand number/trademark. You can't use that"

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9mt7F6mrUo

[past drift]

if it had been for 1990,l they would have gone for 901, and then Peugeot would have said nope

https://youtu.be/jr1DXYKX8ZU also, a fine way to end your job at Williams

[wary oak]

Actually, Williams wanted to keep Coulthard but he said nah and lefted for McLaren lol

Also, I think Ferrari wanted to pick him up too

[past drift]

yeah 😦 but by then i think DC had already signed with Macca

Frank really despised Damon after 95 lmao

[wary oak]

I mean Damon had a mixed bag for the 95 season, alot of DNFS but when he did finish, he almost always was on the podium

Same with Coulthard aswell

https://f1i.com/news/372251-coulthard-reveals-why-he-turned-down-ferrari-deal-in-1996.html

[paper fossil]

He signed for McLaren back in 1994

To race for 96

[wary oak]

Really? I can't find anything online that says that, only that he got offered a contract in 1996 to race for McLaren

Ah maybe I found something. https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/board-recognise-williams-claim-on-coulthard/1654756/

15 December 1994

"DAVID COULTHARD was officially stamped as the property of Williams-Renault yesterday when they emerged victorious from their legal dispute with McLaren shortly ..."

[paper fossil]

DC has said it himself

[wary oak]

Yeah no I agree I found it online

"In November, Coulthard became embroiled in a contract dispute. During the Australian Grand Prix, Coulthard chose to leave Williams and signed a contract with McLaren. Williams, however, insisted that they had the right to exercise their option to keep Coulthard, who was on a three-year contract with the team. Coulthard's management argued that the Williams option was not binding. The dispute went to Formula One's Contract Recognition Board, who ruled in favour of Williams on 14 December, forcing Coulthard to stay with the team."

[past drift]

oh so soon? TIL

[crisp dagger]

And according to Eddie he claimed that he had spent alot of money on branding, and asked for a 911 as compensation or summat along those lines

[vocal wagon]

Christian Albers (if im not mistaking) Midland 2006

[paper fossil]

Yes

[idle gale]

Jarno Trulli, one of the drivers that managed to hold up Michael Schumacher

Until he binned it

[paper fossil]

I so wish Alonso had been in that car

Off the back of really a brilliant 01 in what was a car that had no chance

It was said enough by people

Like he was probably extracting more out of the Minardi to who they could compete with

Than Kimi was doing with the Sauber

Probably the greatest rookie field we ever had though

Kimi and Fernando broke the mold of what the grid had become after the death of Senna

[indigo phoenix]

2001 rookies were wild

Well. Enrique not so much

But Montoya, Kimi and especially Nando all in one year is wild

[paper fossil]

Bernoldi was well Bernoldi

[indigo phoenix]

He was present for a bit then went away

[paper fossil]

Bro could not look any more awkward

I think Hughes put Alonso 2nd on driver rankings for 01

Bar Michael

He did always seem to think Alonso was more the one than Raikkonen for the future

But of course both were great talents needed

Montoya was a lot of bravado but I don’t think he was ever as great as either

[indigo phoenix]

In F1 certainly not

[paper fossil]

I mean still

Indycar

When Alonso went there in 17 with how he acted he could have done it in a full season

I am very sure

With just how he acted

[indigo phoenix]

Probably

But Nando is an exception to many rules lmao

[paper fossil]

Montoya unfortunately I don’t think was very much faster than Ralf

And Raikkoken rather annihilated him

[indigo phoenix]

I think depending on the circumstance JPM could have given Kimi a run for his money but in F1 Kimi was just better in basically all regards

[paper fossil]

His 06 was definitely better than remembered mind you

07 might have been interesting

[indigo phoenix]

Put em both in an oval I think JPM would come out on top for a bit until Kimi got used to it

[paper fossil]

But as when Montoya found out when asking if his option was being taken up

Was never happening

Only other thing would have been RB iirc

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah, shame about that. His F1 run was good fun though, and in general I enjoy watching JPM drive

[paper fossil]

Was STR

Toyota

And Williams

[indigo phoenix]

There’s something very compelling about someone so scrappy

[paper fossil]

Oh it was RB too

STR was an actual offer

Other 3 was discussion before he left being bored

[indigo phoenix]

Most JPM Thing Ever

[paper fossil]

Well that was because Ron said he wasn’t taking his option

Ron suggested then they could stop now

No better excuse really

I sense 07 would have been way easier for Alonso

And that would have won them the title

[indigo phoenix]

Probably lmao

[paper fossil]

Which is what Fernando was expecting the in first place rightfully

He was signed no1 lmao

[indigo phoenix]

He got a lovely surprise

[paper fossil]

Not a nice one

If you sign such a thing

Ron Dennis: How to lose a world championship

This has gone out of 2003 before anyway

[indigo phoenix]

It was nice for me

[paper fossil]

I was a Massa fan at the time

So didn’t matter much to me lmao

[indigo phoenix]

How was 08 for you

[paper fossil]

Pain

On reflection I can say 08 massively flattered Massa though

Smedley his own race engineer says enough

[indigo phoenix]

It did, but that’s okay. 07 flattered Kimi a lot.

[paper fossil]

Doesn’t rate the guy that much at all

😭

[indigo phoenix]

I love Smedley so much

[paper fossil]

I had to find someone else to prop of course

And that had to be fucking Hulkenberg fgs

A man who was genuinely a generational talent

But got screwed many a time

And now has not even a podium

Fgs Heidfeld even had those

[indigo phoenix]

😭 I liked Kimi because the 2005 McLaren looked cool and I liked Seb because he was a bit nerdy and then my sentimental favorite driver got injured

I was a simple preteen

[paper fossil]

I liked Massa because Turkey 06 was my first race

[indigo phoenix]

That would do it

[paper fossil]

And I liked the race suit he had in Brazil 06

[indigo phoenix]

Mine was Suzuka 05

[paper fossil]

Also Japan 06 helped

Pole lap 💪

[indigo phoenix]

The correct way to pick favorites

[paper fossil]

With Hulk it was mention of his gp2 season which was honestly brilliant

[indigo phoenix]

It really was

[paper fossil]

My deadass can’t get over two injustices

Canada 08 being Heidfelds win

Monaco 16 being Nicos P3

That said I can’t get over how Rosbergs brakes glazed over

And that stopped a 4 peat victory in Monaco

Bro was like so chill letting Lewis through btw

When leading the championship comfortably

[indigo phoenix]

I mean at that point there wasn’t much else he could’ve done tbh

[paper fossil]

I mean it is Monaco

Kova held back people in Monza 08

With the same issue btw

And was barely off Vettel considering

It is a measure of the man

[indigo phoenix]

Fair but I think it wasn’t worth fighting the team too much for Nico at that point

[paper fossil]

Hamilton did not the same in Hungary 14

And fucked himself in Canada 14 also

By trying to battle with a brake issue

When Nico with a much worse problem managing it

And getting P2

I think it is interesting all of Ricciardos wins that season should have Nico ones fgs

[indigo phoenix]

Now that you mention it that is pretty funny lmao

[paper fossil]

God what else about 14

Oh yes I think Hamilton called Nico cement brained after Belgium 14

[indigo phoenix]

It was a really dull year aside from the Nico and Lewis drama

[paper fossil]

And there was also that time both used the banned engine modes by Mercedes to their own benefit

[indigo phoenix]

And ofc small me was mourning Seb’s falloff

[paper fossil]

Nico and Lewis in Bahrain

Lewis in spain

[indigo phoenix]

2014 was really my first taste of an F1 season where none of my favorites did particularly well and that’s when I learned that one must just not take them seriously

On the driver side at least

For the car side Sauber taught me that lesson early 💀

[paper fossil]

2014 was honestly the year I took a massive step back in watching

I since went back over it all

It is actually still my favourite hybrid era season to watch

[indigo phoenix]

Wild

[paper fossil]

For what it is worth the racing product is good

[indigo phoenix]

Im really curious about why tbh

Yeah that is fair, back to back to back it’s solid racing

[paper fossil]

And a lot happens

[indigo phoenix]

I think one of the things Im noticing with myself more and more is that I feel the lack of a title fight much more keenly in real time than watching things back

[paper fossil]

First half of the previous year was better though

I just can’t really sit down and go yes 2021

I love these races

It is like 07 and 10

[indigo phoenix]

No yeah I get that

[paper fossil]

Such a task

With 10 I most enjoy seeing Humphrey, DC and EJ most

If anything

Like the BBC coverage is top notch

[indigo phoenix]

Oh I should go back and check that out

Those races I watched in Spanish

[paper fossil]

But because of the banned refuelling and rock hard bridgestones

And the field opening out off the back of a really converged 09

It is yes welll

Not brilliant

[indigo phoenix]

TBH I think the spacing between races really does shift the focus of a season

[paper fossil]

Bahrian 2010 is possibly the worst start you can get too

[indigo phoenix]

Lmaoooo

[paper fossil]

Like Aus 09 is so elite

The tyres are so excellent

[indigo phoenix]

2009 in general as a season Im just insanely fond of

[paper fossil]

I just love what they did for half of 09

Two tyre compounds for the weekend

A step between them

Made teams have to think about things more carefully

[indigo phoenix]

Would be fun to see em try it out again

[paper fossil]

I think the issue 09 and the regs gets is the fact it was out there to improve overtaking

And overtaking numbers dropped

And it still looked difficult

But it is gp racing in the modern era

Will always be difficult

There is also the fact the fia missed the double diffuser

And never managed to stop the diffuser stuff except for a short period in 2012

[indigo phoenix]

I think though that ultimately the double diffuser added a lot to the season in retrospect

[paper fossil]

I think it is fine

The advantage was squashed very quickly

Toyota and Williams also didn’t get much benefit

It was more Brawn in overall car design

[indigo phoenix]

Missing the double diffuser was one of their greatest gifts to me specifically 🙏

[paper fossil]

The most mad thing is how Alonso got a result in like the 8th worst car

In Oz

Though it was 8th worst by very little

Rosberg defo should have got a podium

I think he was doing a similar strat that Kubica ended up on

But they got ruined by Ferraris lightning start

The critical part of the race was fucked up

[indigo phoenix]

Think so

[paper fossil]

Someone anyway

Who was going well

I mean Kubica had pace to win

Button was most certainly struggling

Poor stop didn’t help either

[paper fossil]

God this is venturing out of classic f1 again but yes

[indigo phoenix]

God yeah Brawn pulling up without really even practicing pit stops

[paper fossil]

I just love 09 so much lmao

[indigo phoenix]

You’re so right for that

[indigo phoenix]

Wait actually this one is better time-wise here

[languid sigil]

Yeah, looks better that one

[idle gale]

Arguably the worst chicane ever made

Well, if you count Eau Rouge 1994 as well

[glad orchid]

Where's that

[past drift]

think that's Spain in 94

[glad orchid]

Ah

[desert plover]

Guess the year, driver, and circuit! Should be easy enough lol

[sleek cargo]

The driver name is there already, Gianni Morbidelli, he's driving a Ferrari, the only time he drove for Ferrari was in 1991 in Australian GP in Adelaide

[desert plover]

Yeah exactly

[desert terrace]

im not gonna lie that kinda looks like a good overtaking spot

[meager pewter]

Augh I love the T1

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/resizer/shhq9W3Qa6UNNbczFKzSnP_nlw8=/1440x810/smart/filters:quality(70)/cloudfront-ap-southeast-2.images.arcpublishing.com/nzme/CR7I3TUF7SQR5RFEPNX2TO44BQ.jpg

https://www.racefans.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/racefansdotnet-20190430-214240-1.jpg

[wary oak]

The Ferrari looks so good! 🔥

[indigo phoenix]

It's Keke hours, with a bonus Mika and the car he drove that year

[river cave]

Spain '94, they stuck a chicane in the middle of the back straight

[glad orchid]

Ah thanks

[analog lake]

Working on an F1 game

[north sand]

Congrats @analog lake, you're now on lap 5

[formal scaffold]

There's no halo!!!1!1!!1!1!1!1!

[analog lake]

@formal scaffold lol

[quiet stump]

Which is the best McLaren MP4?

[past drift]

statistically it's the /4

[crisp dagger]

could you make the wheels rounder

[final oriole]

MP4/6

[oblique dock]

That's my favorite F1 car

[indigo phoenix]

Gerhard had what, 7 retirements in that car lmao

[oblique dock]

1991 was so unlucky for him

Sure there was Suzuka, but the win was handed to him by Senna

Berger deserved better for 1991 apart from pole position and a win at Suzuka

[indigo phoenix]

Yeah. Shame he had such rotten luck that season bc that sank him pretty hard in the championship

Then again Mansell had 5 retirements and that DSQ that same season. Crazy Senna only retired once that season

[oblique dock]

Canada

iirc

speaking of which, Mansell could've had 4 DNF's if it wasn't for him celebrating way too early that race

[indigo phoenix]

Lmaoooo yeah

[indigo phoenix]

https://timesmachine.nytimes.com/timesmachine/1908/09/22/104756858.pdf?pdf_redirect=true&ip=0 Always fun to see how the tensions between US racing series and European racing series were right there from day one. Pretty funny how even at its conception the Indy 500 had more of a European flavor to it even though these days Europeans would be mildly shocked by that. Even wilder is that the American Grand Prize never really got much of a chance in the early years of its conception. The shift to oval racing in the US happened pretty early (understandable bc ovals go hard). After 1916 no more American Grand Prize and then they tried hard to brand the Indy 500 as that

Natch didn't work out super well for em, the Indy 500 is the Indy 500, so really then the next iteration of the American Grand Prize was in 58 at Riverside. Then we got Sebring (beloved) and then there was a US GP

But it's kinda funny to conceive of the early US GP days

The first winner of the US GP was American... he's also the only American winner of the race so far. BUT he's not an F1 driver bc the 1958 edition of the USGP was for sports cars, as opposed to Formula 1

Quite sick though, that race launched Dan Gurney's career when he finished second

[oblique dock]

Fascinating bit of info

[indigo phoenix]

Gurney was also driving an objectively fantastic lil guy in the 58 USGP

So cute

[oblique dock]

A little red Italian bean

[indigo phoenix]

The winning driver was Chuck Daigh, who was another of those drivers who got their start as an engineer

Real cool shit

And this is the Scarab Mk II, the winning car

[oblique dock]

That is a sleek machine

[indigo phoenix]

Yep. Scarabs in general were pretty damn sick, they even entered a few F1 races

Didn't do too hot at em

But

Y'know

They showed up!

Yayyyyy blue and white American racing colors!

[oblique dock]

Sick. Also, I’ll see you next time if I ever decide to return again

[indigo phoenix]

You'll be missed, hope to see you back

If not, I'll just send you strange cars regardless

(unless you want me to fuck off with those)

[final oriole]

Love the engine on it, was kind of a tricky car tho

[wary oak]

Probably the MP4/5, 32 races, 16 wins, 36 podiums, 27 pole positions and 12 fastest laps, also two constructors and drivers championships

[past drift]

not the /2 in this case?

since we're counting B versions

[indigo phoenix]

The Monaco Grand Prix origins are so funny to me

Like there’s something so unserious about the little race being wholly designed around making sure that Monaco was allowed entry to the proto FIA

And all of that really just because Prince Albert was a bit uhhhhh unpopular but wanted Monaco to become more of a cultural cornerstone in the world

Like truly your car race founded by the reigning monarch is such a Monaco thing

But anyways Prince Albert made his little rally, not the GP, and the rally was goofy as hell bc the winners were determined largely by vibes alone which is a fucking mood

But the AIACR didn’t want to recognize the Automobile Club de Monaco bc they didn’t have an event solely within their borders which is absolutely taking the piss because it’s fucking MONACO and GPs back in the day were pretty fucken long courses on big public roads

But the ACM was like “well we can make a Grand Prix at home” and they did so they got to be their own thing with the AIACR which is just goofy lmao. And again this was all sanctioned by the Prince at the time 😭

Also because Louis Chiron thought it would be fun

Fucken imagine

[autumn zodiac]

I'm not reading all that

[indigo phoenix]

Crying shame Wikipedia doesn’t have a higher res version of this

[indigo phoenix]

Don’t then lmao

[autumn zodiac]

Keke hours when though

[indigo phoenix]

Always

[autumn zodiac]

yeah yeah that's showing american pride!

[indigo phoenix]

It’s the OG racing colors

Like the now extinct British Racing Green

Ik technically AMR has a green car but it’s not the same at all

[autumn zodiac]

That is just pure heat

[indigo phoenix]

All that kinda went out the window when sponsors were introduced

Besides Ferrari Ferrari will always be red

[autumn zodiac]

True

Anyways I got 5% left (battery), see ya

[indigo phoenix]

See ya

It would actually be really fun to see a race run in traditional racing colors

[round swift]

hi

[indigo phoenix]

I’d love to see AT running a red livery

[round swift]

full orlen?

like a kubica dtm

[indigo phoenix]

Nah, just a red livery, but ig Orlen works

Would KILL to see that deep British Racing Green come back

Merc running a white livery would also go hard

[round swift]

yes

like the germany 2019 one

[indigo phoenix]

And Haas would have to do the Cunningham stripes

[round swift]

without the crashing

[indigo phoenix]

Sauber could actually keep their red and white livery from last year which I loved

So

A colossal win for me

[round swift]

2021 sauber

🔥

[indigo phoenix]

That deep red and the white with the glossy finish goes so hard

[round swift]

i cant pick between the 2020 and 2021

the 2021 looks narrower for some reason

the 2020 looks fat and wide

[indigo phoenix]

Hilariously the NZ color isn’t even orange

Bruce McLaren just liked orange and he was so right for that

Well that and he wanted to be super visible on broadcast which I respect

Anyway here’s a really sick old entry list

[round swift]

thats so cool

[indigo phoenix]

All the more fun for seeing entries listed by country like that

[autumn zodiac]

Very old

[wary oak]

Yeah I was thinking it, but the MP4/2 had 48 races entered and only 22 wins and 7 poles, whereas the MP4/5 had 32 races and 16 wins and 27 poles

No denying that the MP4/2 is the most successful chassis in F1 history though

Atleast I think it is

[river cave]

that... that's not real is it

[indigo phoenix]

What, Sauber liveries?

Oh do you mean the picture Evan sent?

[river cave]

the picture below that

must have clicked the wrong one

[indigo phoenix]

Oh it’s real

[river cave]

oh no

i mean poor Mario look at his face

all the ballast he has to lug around

[indigo phoenix]

https://imagesvc.meredithcorp.io/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstatic.onecms.io%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2Fsites%2F6%2F2012%2F05%2Fcelebrity-apprentice-finale_510.jpg&q=60 I mean he doesn’t look exactly disgusted

Idk why that linked with the source but oh well

But that’s not classic F1 so back to Monaco

They didn’t get to run the GP for awhile bc they had negative money

Only got around to it again in 48 once they’d recovered ish

[idle gale]

The Scot and the Kiwi

[long kindle]

What number did Fangio use?

[past drift]

there were no fixed numbers then

[long kindle]

Oh

[north sand]

Congrats @long kindle, you're now on lap 5

[outer pier]

1993 Spanish GP, the greatest podium of alltime.

[round swift]

Rather fittingly, the greatest (in my eyes) is standing on the top step

[wary oak]

.truth

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[final oriole]

More of a Schumacher guy mf

[round swift]

senna did better

https://tenor.com/view/piquet-senna-hungary-nelson-piquet-ayrton-senna-gif-22654803

best overtake in the history of f1

[past drift]

to prove your point, you chose a clip where Senna is being overtaken? 😂

[river cave]

i...i don't think he got his own point

https://youtu.be/BqO04xIPihY?si=A_eLxbUUJePPY6an&t=24

now that overtake, that was good

[outer pier]

me personally i loe the alonso suzuka pass on schumi or hakkinens double pass but thats a good one

[round swift]

It falls a bit short of the 20+ years rule, but Kimi's entire Suzuka '05 is a masterclass in overtaking

[slow grail]

13.10.96 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrPqodZYQh0

[round swift]

i not talking about Senna

[vague tusk]

his monaco '05 qualifying was ridiculous too.

alonso goes half a second up near enough, then raikkonen does the same

[idle gale]

Was David the only driver to use a foot operated clutch in the late 90s when most of the cars had Paddle Shifters and "Paddle Clutches"? Because it says on the McLaren website, David used a foot clutch during the 1997 season

[wary oak]

didn't the 1997 mclaren have an extra pedal for braking into corners?

[desert terrace]

as the pic shows, there are two

wait

are there 3?

[wary oak]

yeah the one on the left and middle are both brakes

[paper fossil]

brake steer

as the inventor of it hates it being called

as it is a bit more than that

but yeah David didn't really like that

[crisp dagger]

where else are you going to break into

[desert terrace]

brake vectoring is the term iirc

on modern cars

[past drift]

your slot on the grid 😌
or in the pits

[crisp dagger]

True true

[desert plover]

A wall

[hollow cipher]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9PMj8A0nwk

[river cave]

yes he was the only one using 4 pedals

[crisp dagger]

No, that’s when you don’t break

[meager pewter]

David still liked the foot clutch so I think his setup during the rear brake was 4, but this was eventually taken out in I think 2002 to reduce the tub size up front

https://www.f1-fansite.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/srxf6dPkpt30joUFlTxgclqVmhc4et4H_3P765144.jpg

Also have 2000

[wary oak]

Lol it may help you slow down

[wary oak]

Canadian Grand Prix?

[meager pewter]

Yup

[narrow reef]

That looks mega quick compared to these cars

[meager pewter]

Mmm, alot of that is unfortunately camera angles, but I love these things coz now with cars being so heavy and with wheelbases so long they don't have room to twitch

These cars being so wide with shorter wheelbases it's kinda leaning into Go-Kart territory

[round swift]

and their voices...

[round swift]

Don't ask Gerhard where his front wing went

[river cave]

pretty sure i've seen that clip but with Senna

[woven zinc]

bruh that looks hella high quality for 1990

[past drift]

probably AI enhanced

[woven zinc]

maybe

also gotta love how on the limit that car is through that corner

[river cave]

probably but you'd be surprised how good some old tapes look

you keep them in good condition they look pretty alright

[past drift]

yeah i know, but the framerate seems too high for old school videos

[river cave]

i think framerate wise it definitely has been enhanced

but there's no screen tearing or flickering

and these tapes would be pushing 30

analogue tapes naturally degrade and it doesn't seem to have any major problems

[past drift]

yeah

[meager pewter]

Usually alot of footage is double or triple VCR'd which degrades the quality quite alot

If you see home videos for the 80's to 90's you can usually see some pretty good quality

https://youtu.be/xIojdjqzqrQ?feature=shared

[woven zinc]

oh damn, it's still a bit blurry but it does look quite good for the time

[paper fossil]

really?

just looks like it should do as an original source

[woven zinc]

idk it felt a lot like a modern smartphone camera video to me

[paper fossil]

as opposed to being recorded on tape etc

[fleet fjord]

New to f1 on my second season as a fan any one any classic f1 races to watch

[steel steeple]

It's a wing, it flew away

[indigo phoenix]

A lot of original footage is better than you’d think. Hell even some old old films look really good if well preserved. Shame not a lot is saved in a way that preserves quality but at least F1 as an area of interest has a ton of high quality sources and some lower quality shit to fill in the gaps

[wary oak]

Probably the 1988 or 1989 Japanese Grand Prix. Both were pretty good

Same with the 1986 Australian Grand Prix

[river cave]

For all the talk about the collision and the controversy around it

the 1990 race actually sucked

after the collision it's just a snooze fest

[past drift]

is it? the McLarens and Ferraris were so much above the rest, I'd expect it to be more interesting actually

like, the 1989 season is very dull if you remove the McLarens

[river cave]

Basically after the crash, Berger spins off and retires, Mansell leads with a large gap out front for half the race until his pitstop where he buried the clutch, got massive wheelspin and snapped the driveshaft

with the second half of the race being Piquet and Moreno out front with a race of attrition for 3rd

[river cave]

the moment where the Ferrari worked were interesting

other than that, it was basically just a question of which McLaren would win

sort of like in the early Merc days with Lewis and Nico

the only one which really stands out is Canada where by some miracle both McLaren's and Ferraris dnf'd and there was a Williams 1-2

[flat schooner]

Elio De Angelis, a 'pay driver' who was actually good.

[sour moon]

Lauda 🤷‍♀️🤭

[desert terrace]

Unfortunately, he died in 1986 testing a Brabham F1 car
Was the last person to die in F1 before Ratzenberger

also scored two wins

uuhh iirc one of them was a literal photo finish

[paper fossil]

naturally lauda was not a greatly gifted driver

in fact people had way less respect for him than david walker after 1972

[desert terrace]

that's because dave walker was actually good in '72

what was it
back row to 10th in three laps

in the rain

at the old zandvoort

in a lotus turbine

[wary oak]

"David Walker remains the only driver not to score a single Formula One Championship point in the same season his teammate won the drivers' title. "

If it was 'good' in 1972, how come Lotus didn't retained him for the 73 season?

[desert terrace]

sorry that was '71

the lotus 56

[wary oak]

what was 1971?

wasnt his teamate emerson?

[desert terrace]

yes, but fittipaldi refused to drive the 56. it was an experimental car with 4wd and a turbine engine, terrible to drive

[wary oak]

Ah so both had different F1 cars? thats why emerson won the championship?

[desert terrace]

no that was 71

stewart won in 71

not emmo

[wary oak]

Yeah im talking about 1972

David scored no points in 72, same as 71

[desert terrace]

the 56B was not used in 72 iirc

yeah David's car kept breaking in 71

idk about 72

[wary oak]

usually unreliable

[desert terrace]

a journalist once said of the 56B:
"The throttle lag was so great, opening as well as closing, meant that you had to lift off well before a corner, lest the engine torque send you off, then when the braking point came you pushed both the brake and the throttle, so that by the time you were around the corner the engine was all spooled up again."

[past drift]

yes, Austria 82

Reine Wisell was okay in 71, Dave Walker never scored a point

[flat schooner]

Yeah. Super brutal way to go too.

[outer pier]

havent posted here in awhile.

[round swift]

I love how one of the greatest overtakes in F1 history has been immortalized in a gif

[meager pewter]

Oh yessir

[round swift]

[narrow reef]

When was that? Looks like 80s to me

[paper fossil]

1986 hungarian grand prix

[past drift]

first F1 GP in a communist country

[mighty magnet]

https://youtube.com/shorts/cPowBgH6TyI?si=n-o1t5UJmzlFJ0gH

[paper fossil]

good reasons for that

renault from like 01-06 could make a row or two with the car

"They were on a very good trajectory from the disastrously uncompetitive 2001 car. It was the oddball design of that car that had a wide angle V10 that ended up needing to be beefed up and have its revs restricted to keep it in one piece which put the team on a path that would ultimately lead to those 2005 and 06 titles. And putting extra weight in the rear, which was forced upon them in 01, turned out to work brilliantly well with the Michelin construction, giving it fantastic traction and then they re-optimised the torque curve around reducing maximum revs, and brought gains in fuel consumption - therefore how light the car could be at the start of the race and how tractable it was at lower revs, and that worked hand in hand with the greater traction to give stunning start line performance. Also because you have to match the aero distribution with the weight distribution, there wasn't the same requirement to get massive aero load on the front, which was very much the aero limitation of that time, so they could have a very aero efficient car. So they kept those traits, even with the much better cars of 2002 and 03, and it was almost a given at the start of any race that they would make up one row from where they qualified."

[meager pewter]

Mmm, 111°V10

[past drift]

they also had cheating electronics to start didn’t they

[idle gale]

The Penske

[past drift]

The Parnelli

[river cave]

That's not before 2003

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

[past drift]

true

[wary oak]

Lol

[paper fossil]

not so

in the legal sense

an interpretation on the ban of traction control

[past drift]

no like, i think they had sensors for the red lights going off

which allowede them basically 0.00s of reaction time

[paper fossil]

even better

[idle gale]

If the Life L190 and the Mastercard Lola had a race, and the Life had a decent headstart. How long do you think it would take for the Lola to reel in the L190?

[round swift]

L190 was slower than a Formula 3 car

I don't think it'd take too long for Lola to catch up

[desert terrace]

Pretty soon. The life engine only made it like three laps before it broke.

[indigo phoenix]

The life engine would be dead in seconds

You’d have to give it an n-1 lap head start to an n lap race if you wanted it to stand a chance at winning

[paper fossil]

i feel like this has been asked here before

something of similar note at least

[paper fossil]

in fairness it was the T97/30 that produced less impressive numbers in the wind tunnel than their F3000 chassis as well

[idle gale]

First Racing's car. Which was a bit of a deathtrap that turned into a way worse car in 1990. Yeah, you can guess which one it turned into

[desert terrace]

at least it was too slow to be dangerous... by itself
it was so slow it was dangerous to everyone else

[slow grail]

28.10.51 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Rl4kYs5pc0

[stark bolt]

The pic is so low quality i couldnt recognise the drivers for a bit 💀

[indigo phoenix]

Well what do you want from me 😭😭😭 it’s an old picture filtered through years of digital noise

[desert plover]

If Senna wasn’t in F1 lol

[round swift]

No context

[carmine kindle]

Michael's jawline vs Mansell's moustache

[idle gale]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cE_sZiSbvkc&ab_channel=AidanMillward

[past drift]

don’t like where this video is going

[carmine kindle]

Oh

[crisp dagger]

all of them with black hair look like prost help

and the one on the far left looks like senna but it cant be

[crisp dagger]

this is such a strange meeting of polar opposites

chalk and cheese

michael looks like chalk too

[crisp dagger]

i recognise clarke and his toothy grin

[indigo phoenix]

There's Bellof Patrese Mansell de Cesaris Elio and Alliot in there

[crisp dagger]

mansell is easy to spot

im not familiar enough with the others to pick them out

[indigo phoenix]

Courage is in the lil booty shorts and yellow shirt, Pedro Rodriguez is fully covered up, crouching down is Frank Gardener, Chris Amon is in the tiny blue shorts

Rest of em I'm not so sure about icl

[dusk zodiac]

anyone know like renault and when they come out with pneumatic valves

like how that work if one team makes some tech and only put it in their engine when other teams not have it

then the next year everyone use pneumatic valves

[wary oak]

In 1986 with the Renault EF-Type

[desert terrace]

Third from left looks somewhat like Rindt to me

[tough talon]

https://youtube.com/shorts/B04UWUNtyoc?si=dmlN0uVINg_3s8wo

Can anyone name all the people on the car

[desert terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-top-geear-jeremy-clarkson-gif-3482853

ok to be fair it's obv two mclaren drivers on a 1984 williams
so lauda, prost, rosberg was my guess

[past drift]

back then the regulation were much looser, basically they just regulated the engine displacement, how you got power (iirc 86 was mandatory turbo engines), how much pressure in the turbo, and... that's it

oh there was a max fuel tank capacity too, which basically made some engines worse than others since no refuelling, but there was no max rpm for instance. So Renault came up with this to raise the rpms and power.

[glad orchid]

Jacques Laffite, Niki Lauda and Alain Prost

[upbeat gate]

Fun fact: Jordan was sponsored by one of the shady company in 2003, guess which company is it?

[glad orchid]

I mistook Lafitte as Arnoux💀

[fleet wigeon]

What's up with this front wing?

[past drift]

they were testing out the raised nose brought about by Tyrrell in 1990

obviously it didn’t work as you need the nose high, but the front wing as low as they usually do

they understood that at Benetton and outdevelopped Tyrrell on that front in 1991

[paper fossil]

insanity

[fleet wigeon]

Is this an unraced car

[upbeat gate]

Yes

It reminds me of 1996 Mclaren

[oblique dock]

Yes

That was tested by Dome in 1996

[desert terrace]

Yea, Dome 1996 project

[raw hamlet]

found this picture of rubens for arisco

[fleet wigeon]

He's really young

[raw hamlet]

yeah he looks so young

[fleet wigeon]

What year is it from

[raw hamlet]

i don’t know it didn’t have any dates

[wary oak]

Yeah thats either 91 or 92

[raw hamlet]

wow

[fleet wigeon]

Almost 1 year before his debut in 1993

[raw hamlet]

so cool

[wary oak]

same helmet design and this was in 91 in british formula 3

He also won the championship that year

[raw hamlet]

i’ve always loved his helmet pattern

[woven zinc]

same

[raw hamlet]

i have no idea the context but i found this on twitter lol

[slow grail]

this is some @indigo phoenix type pic

bet you already have this pic in your roll

[indigo phoenix]

Yep!

DC with the leg OUT

They got up to good shenanigans

[slow grail]

no one can beat mika and david fr

[indigo phoenix]

A very very baby Jim Clark

[fleet wigeon]

What design is this

[oblique dock]

That’s the experimental high nose version of the Mclaren MP4/5B

Around that time, Tyrrell already displayed their high nose design, so Mclaren decided to try their own version of a high nose concept

[raw hamlet]

how silly!!

picture of michele i found on pinterest he was so pretty

[paper fossil]

a bad version

given it was high nose and high wing in this case

those end plates are hideous too

[oblique dock]

Yea

[desert terrace]

https://ideas.lego.com/projects/31234217-7dea-4af6-9103-b772b137027d

[outer pier]

its been 30 years since senna stood on the podium.

[desert terrace]

🫡

[autumn zodiac]

Damn he really does look baby

[idle gale]

The weird moment where David borrowed Michael's spare helmet

[desert terrace]

the weird moment is the third wing

[oblique dock]

The MP4/10 had a 3rd wing, too

This is just ghastly to look at

Very ghastly at that

[paper fossil]

is that from the 96 race

don't think so

surely must be mika from 95 when he was no8

[past drift]

top is Monaco 96 with DC
bottom is either San Marino or Spain 95 with Mansell

[paper fossil]

i think top is mika 95 monaco

tbh

the track looks completely bone dry

and it was only in the race that david had to borrow michaels helemet

michaels helmet before he brought in the red one for 2001 also had more details on it than that

[past drift]

oh you're correct

[paper fossil]

can also just about see the jordan peugeot livery of 95

[paper fossil]

as opposed to the gold/mustard

when b&h came in

[past drift]

the nose of the McLaren in 96 is way rounder

[paper fossil]

high cockpit too

[past drift]

also the uhh

[paper fossil]

can see the schumacher helmet detail there

[past drift]

side headrest thing

[paper fossil]

yeah high sided cockpit

of the top runners i think only the williams managed to make it look ok

and not too invasive

i mean i can't lie the 96 ferrari looked like a three seater couch

barnard was not cooking

[oblique dock]

It looked worse with the nose change mid-season

[paper fossil]

it looks shit

in general

matt beer of the race i think said it was like the forti had sex with the proposed dams car

can see why

https://external-preview.redd.it/m7RKPm-GtvIVUF0iNa3zGhZsNkQQwhBHP7HIVSERwfo.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=74fe36b91762ada5e16a6cbcab805fd0a99eea23

couch sidepods

like something from the mid 80s

before cokebottle

[oblique dock]

Chunky side pods

[desert terrace]

i think john barnard nicked the dams car

[soft egret]

looks like one of the “how to draw an f1 car for beginners EASY tutorial” f1 cars

[idle gale]

Charles isn't the only Ferrari driver to bin it on the formation lap

[oblique dock]

1991: A season to forget for Alain Prost

[fleet wigeon]

The way nigel mansell looks at other going off the track

[lavish trench]

At least then it was wet. Charles lost it on a completely dry track

[river cave]

Nigel really looking at Prost like Hah!

[river cave]

really just peak '90's Ferrari

have a title bid in 1990, then make a car so shit it doesn't win a single race

also why does the Wikipedia image for Boutsen actual garbage quality?

[indigo phoenix]

To be fair to Leclerc he didn’t bin it of his own accord however it’s funnier if you imagine he did

[lavish trench]

You wouldn't call Aston Martin's car shit this year even though it hasn't won a race. Perspective is needed

[oblique dock]

What does that have to do with Ferrari's 1991 season?

[round swift]

Perspective is that the car was a donkey

[oblique dock]

Ferrari literally went from challenging Mclaren in 1990 to being winless for the entirety of 1991

[round swift]

If Alain Prost says the car is crap, then the car is crap

[oblique dock]

Imagine if Prost never got fired and stayed with Ferrari for 1992. I bet he'll have a lot more to say about the F92A

[paper fossil]

time for some stats

Top 20 drivers of the 1960's based on PPR (excluding drivers who raced in fewer than 3 grand prix)

1. Jim Clark
2. Stirling Moss
3. Jackie Stewart
4. Graham Hill
5. Jacky Ickx
6. Wolfgang von Trips
7. Denny Hulme
8. Mike Parkes
9. Jack Brabham
10. Richie Ginther
11. Bruce McLaren
12. John Surtees
13. Olivier Gendebien
14. Phil Hill
15. Ludovico Scarfiotti
16. Dan Gurney
17. Lorenzo Bandini
18. Brain Redman
19. Jochen Rindt
20. Jean-Pierre Beltosie

[round swift]

Never forget Williams had a Ferrari phase

[oblique dock]

They even had a Mclaren phase

The driver is none other than the great Giacomo Agostini, the most successful MotoGP rider of all time

and quite possibly the greatest

[wary oak]

crazy to see he has 122 wins but only 9 poles...

[paper fossil]

yes because they only officially recorded pole sitters from the early-mid 70s onwards

[fleet wigeon]

Worth showing this since sonic the hedgehog turned 32 years old in june 23rd few months ago

Oh yeah how i can not forget this

[river cave]

ngl i liked that '98 livery

i hated how they added blue to the '99 car

and also the '99 car was objectively worse than the '98 car

[past drift]

wnna know how fast this 1993 Williams was? It took F1 11 years to beat Prost's position time set in 93

(obviously the removal of electronic assists didn't help them to beat it quicker)

[oblique dock]

Wait, for which track?

[past drift]

oh the british GP, sorry.

at Silverstone