classic-motorsport

[idle gale]

The Aussie and the Kiwi. Founders of their own teams

[ornate cobalt]

very cool

[round swift]

i am gay

[round swift]

Amazing pics thanks!

[eager mesa]

is that a 2014 pp

[ornate cobalt]

it is

[eager mesa]

i love it

[willow gorge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvEXofv7adc

[oblique dock]

Mansell's move on Berger at the Peraltada is the stuff of legends

[round swift]

I actually didn't know the Alfa Romeo 158 won every race in a season in 1950

https://www.statsf1.com/en/alfa-romeo-158.aspx

Does it make it the most Successful Formula 1 Car of All Time?

even over the Mp4/4?

[past drift]

no because Indianapolis was a championship race

and they didn't take part in it

[round swift]

But having won every race it entered in 1950

"Giuseppe Farina originally planned to enter, but his car never arrived." lmao wtf

[past drift]

it didn't win all the races in the season, that's what counts

[round swift]

Anyways it had a 100% pole position record as well beating MP4/4's

same with Fastest Laps...

so for all the races it entered, it had a 100% percent of winning, getting pole position, and fastest lap

[past drift]

if only the Indianapolis didn't count

it would be deserved, all other teams had bad cars compared to the 158

[round swift]

yup they spent more money and research

funny thing is that the Indianapolis 500 was won by a person that only classified once that whole year, including everybody else that race in it

[willow gorge]

that shit made my heart stop the first time i saw it

especially knowing the safety those days

[oblique dock]

And considering how Senna went off at the same corner a year later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcAkJlp8bxs

[willow gorge]

oh shit

[oblique dock]

Yea.

[willow gorge]

the bottom of those cars were so flat

Is Berger still alive?

[oblique dock]

He is

[willow gorge]

ah good

I should get back to watching the 97 season

[oblique dock]

It's hard to believe that Berger's the last surviving Austrian F1 race winner

[past drift]

Christian Klien

[oblique dock]

Klien never won an F1 race

[round swift]

Just a few points really

[willow gorge]

patrese was pretty fast

[round swift]

Patrese was experienced but not as fast as Prost, Mansell or Senna

[oblique dock]

So was Boutsen

pretty overlooked driver

[past drift]

oh race winner

[willow gorge]

yeah him too

[past drift]

i read race driver 🤭

[willow gorge]

Yeah I mean best of the rest

the championship contenders seemed to have a lot more dnfs then they do today

maybe that's just me

[past drift]

they did

[willow gorge]

like not even considering reliability

[past drift]

reliability was still all over the place

what do you mean then? like title contenders crashing?

[willow gorge]

yeah

[past drift]

well, with Mansell and Senna, it happened a lot cause they happened to disconnect their brain when driving, somewhat

[oblique dock]

Brazil 1986, Belgium 1987, Portugal 1989, Australia 1992

They came together quite a few times

[willow gorge]

That move in Imola 1990 i think

[round swift]

When Mansell did a 360 lol

[oblique dock]

It was Berger who pushed him wide

[willow gorge]

that was berger?

[oblique dock]

Yeah

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/zqwd2ksdTao

[past drift]

1990 McLaren drivers

[oblique dock]

Senna's helmet is yellow, while Berger's helmet is black

[past drift]

Senna being himself
Berger overdriving to prove his worth

they somehow won tho

[oblique dock]

At least Berger was able to score 3 wins for the team, so that's something....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpVwK3jDqqo

[past drift]

even though one was given away

[oblique dock]

At Suzuka in 1991

[past drift]

ye that 1

[oblique dock]

1991 was pretty unlucky for Berger

so much DNF's due to mechanical issues

[willow gorge]

ah yeah that was berger

[oblique dock]

I bet it was like having to re-experience 1989 all over again

considering how the Ferrari 640 had a string of retirements due to the gearbox

[willow gorge]

yeah that ferrari looked shit

[past drift]

most cars of 89 didn't look very pleasing imo

[willow gorge]

How they just leave the cars on the track 💀

[past drift]

i like the Brabham, Ligier, McLaren, Tyrrell of that year, that's it

[round swift]

I liked the Onyx ORE-1 in the 89 season

[willow gorge]

I liked that williams that year as well

it's annoying that there are only a few races on f1tv

[oblique dock]

I like the Ferrari, Mclaren, Benetton, Brabham, Williams (minus the FW13), and Minardi

[past drift]

ye that's a shame, i only watch the reviews, but full races is nice

[round swift]

Which

[past drift]

which… would people drive?

[round swift]

Pics from Nico Prost Instagram Story.

[hardy mulch]

Is this at dubai autodrome ?

[round swift]

Yeah

[glacial basin]

Yeah the Dubai Historic Grand prix

[glacial basin]

It really is my God

[glacial basin]

He must have seen Mansell's move and thought that doesn't look so hard why don't I try it

[oblique dock]

Well Senna's accident in 1991 at the Peraltada was during qualifying and not during the race

[glacial basin]

Yeah but still

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/lelNF_lkkBs

[oblique dock]

Back when the MP4/6B was used

before the MP4/7

[mighty garnet]

Was he injured in this or just pissed? Definitely looks hurt from it

[round swift]

He injured his leg

[willow gorge]

didnt he crash a year before

at mexico

[round swift]

Yup

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8ogpOfPTR8

The marshall wheeling back the rest of Caffi's car

[willow gorge]

the camera work back then was so shit, it makes me more grateful for what we have today

even tho they do miss a lot of battles

[glacial basin]

Well that was 1991 so what do you expect

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJikgKBHjK4 James Hunt even called it out

Just cutting to something else in the middle of an anticipating battle

[willow gorge]

they were showing some onboard of a guy in like 9th place on the first lap of the mexican grand prix in 1990 i think

yea

[oblique dock]

Stefano Modena?

[willow gorge]

uh maybe i dont remember the name

[glacial basin]

Tracks of that time

The tracks with a accent and decent are the best

[willow gorge]

they hit those replays very quick tho

[glacial basin]

They do

[willow gorge]

compared to today

[glacial basin]

Impressive of the time

[willow gorge]

i thought we were never going to see a replay of when mick spun latifi in ad

[glacial basin]

This race

Abu Dhabi

[willow gorge]

yea

[round swift]

Why is the number 27 so iconic in F1? I know the drivers that drove it, and it was with Ferrari for a while, but how was the numbers decided?
And why was it on Sennas car in 1990?

[past drift]

system then was, driver’s champion team gets the number of the previous team champion

in 1979 ferrari wins so they take 1-2 for 1980
in 1980 williams wins and gives their numbers 27-28 to ferrari

ferrari didn’t win a driver’s title until schumacher in 2000, so they never swapped numbers till this system was canned in 1996 (conveniently when schumacher joined ferrari)

so from 1981-1995 ferrari drivers used 27 and 28

[round swift]

Why did Senna have number 27 in Monza 1990 then?

[past drift]

who was wdc in 1989

where did he go in 1990

[round swift]

Ah, 😅

Cheers mate

[sonic chasm]

senna won in 1990

correct?

and.89?

theb he died in 91

[idle gale]

No. Alain Prost won the 1989 season since "that crash" DSQed Ayrton from the championship. However Ayrton got his payback at Suzuka 1990, which most people here remembers all too well

Pretty much blitz the field in 1991 as well, though Williams did put it a decent battle

[timber warren]

Senna won in 88' 90' and 91' he died in 94'

[sonic chasm]

oh

mb

im new

to f1

[modest moth]

guys

did the prost GP failed?

[past drift]

yes

[round swift]

Why is the starter motor rod so small compared to modern cars
It is just due to current gearbox cases being super long?

[fast otter]

a small draw of jap 88

[fast otter]

thanks bro!, I will try make more draws in the future

[winged dove]

Beautiful

[frozen prism]

i mean it isnt here anymore

so yes

[nova kraken]

U guys have wallpapers of seb vettle last race in portrait pls

[glacial basin]

What a drawing

[summer turtle]

W H O A

[wise dirge]

Beautiful drawing

[round swift]

🤣

[idle gale]

Talk about making quite the impression

[hardy briar]

I would watch a show about F1 in this art style!

[past drift]

i find it quite funny how his wigs even had sideburns

[green cape]

watching brands hatch 82 and mansell's driving on painkillers with a broken arm hahaha

[chrome basin]

💀

[willow gorge]

bro got 25 stars

[chrome basin]

same

[torn brook]

bestie let me borrow his book

[round swift]

In the 1990 Hungarian Grand Prix, Thierry Boutsen (Williams FW13B) finished 0.288 seconds in front of Ayrton Senna (McLaren MP4/5B). Mr. Bousten would win his third and last Grand Prix with this achievement.

[eager mesa]

what year and who is that

[deft prawn]

https://twitter.com/nascarman_rr/status/1598649137226031105?s=19

nascarman (@nascarman_rr)

December 2, 1998: Indianapolis Motor Speedway announced they would build their infield road course, and F1 would race there in 2000. And plans for the Pagoda were unveiled

Twitter · Dec 2, 2022, 12:03 PM

[past drift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZfk26zxbPg

told by Murray Walker, if precision was needed

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5TsarFWxBk

[round swift]

Senna qualifying lap was faster then Schumacher’s from the 1996 season.

Kinda mind boggling

[past drift]

91 was actually a plenty fast season

Senna's pole lap in Brazil 91 would still beat a few cars in 2001

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cwipu-Sfhk

To think this was just a second slower than the 2005 pole time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSePzgAHhec

Senna's 1991 pole lap would have put him 8th on the grid in 2005

[woeful rapids]

Ok

[past drift]

not exactly the same track though

they changed the chicane for 2004

[queen saddle]

Where can Piquet's finger be seen in the 1986 pass with Senna? Comments are saying it's at 1:44, but I can't see the outline.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4v_2lfrzM0o

[potent tendon]

Credit: @ LegendaryF1 on Twitter

[round swift]

Today at Suzuka

[fast otter]

another one! but this time with schuma in 1998

[round swift]

you sir are a legend! are you taking commissions lol

[past drift]

Patrick Tambay winning his 2nd and last win, the 1983 San Marino GP for Scuderia Ferrari.
He died today aged 73

[grave ermine]

https://twitter.com/ScuderiaFerrari/status/1599398715881533440?t=Fd_qnDfzpvC-RcBQwaavJw&s=19

Scuderia Ferrari (@ScuderiaFerrari)

We are all truly saddened by the news of the passing of Patrick Tambay. He was one of the true stars of the 80s winning two races with the Scuderia and contributing to winning the Manufacturers’ titles in 1982 and 1983.

#RIPPatrick

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Twitter · Dec 4, 2022, 1:42 PM

[oblique dock]

Rest in piece, Patrick Tambay

One of the more overlooked French Drivers in F1

First Forghieri, and now Tambay.

[hardy briar]

God these are lovely, please don’t stop!

[round swift]

Did he die of just old age?

[oblique dock]

Parkinsons

[past drift]

^

[round swift]

Very sad 😞

[oblique dock]

very sad, indeed.

[south tree]

Parkinson and diabetes as well

[sonic chasm]

is schuma okay?

we havebt heard from him in awhile

[round swift]

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1704574/Michael-Schumacher-health-German-F1-agreement-report-updates

says he can't speak still

not sure how reliable this is though

Have you watched the Schumacher documentary on Netflix? I'm pretty sure they talked about it there.

[oblique dock]

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Jose Carlos Pace looks like a combination of Peter Sellers and Al Pacino?

[round swift]

Didier Pironi and Gilles Villeneuve at Long Beach, 1982.

[meager pewter]

[manic reef]

Well...

<@&781898349006684170>

Sorry for ping but, yeah

[grand hatch]

no need for the apology, thank you for notifying us

[hardy briar]

Oh no what was it

[meager pewter]

It was someone promoting some money raising/invetsment/interest thing which is totally not a scam

[shut vale]

Fqk

[idle gale]

Jeremy Clarkson: "But then I had a warning light. Literally!"

[round swift]

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1435898162468769792

McLaren (@McLarenF1)

The perfect weekend at Monza! #OnThisDay in 1990, not only did Ayrton Senna win the race after qualifying on pole, he led every lap and set the fastest lap time. The last ‘Grand Slam’ of his career.

Gerhard Berger made it a double podium by finishing P3 at the #ItalianGP. 🏆🇮🇹

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Twitter · Sep 9, 2021, 9:29 AM

[hardy briar]

❤️

[chrome basin]

for me he looks like the argentinian version of adam sandler

[round swift]

Did Rindt die to a wing failure?

Which drivers actually died/had a huge crash due to a wing failure in the 60s/70s?

[past drift]

no, they were testing running the 72C without a rear wing

but removing it makes the overall aero way too unbalanced, he lost the car under breaking iirc

before parabolica

[willow gorge]

wait

I thought he had a mechanical failure and like the rear seized or something

[round swift]

It’s actually unknown

But yeah the Lotus wasn’t running any wings

[willow gorge]

i heard on the season review

or maybe i heard it wrong

but no wings would make total sense

the cars already shook massively under braking with wings

💀

[idle gale]

Still amazing that this film showcased some impressive camera works on the 1960s F1 cars and tracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuL_6f-STt4&ab_channel=Panzer_Runner

The Monza Banking and Circuit layout footage though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HA71tYl640&ab_channel=supertubr

[round swift]

All the footage was during free practise sessions?

Or just media/camera days, off the seasonal calendar?

[round swift]

I’m pretty sure that they also used F2 cars aswell

[oblique dock]

Martin and Murray

[vague tusk]

wtf happened to the bitrate

[timid pollen]

One thing we will never know how to explain LoL

[timid pollen]

big lotus

[harsh cipher]

Where did you find that

[round swift]

He makes them I think

[harsh cipher]

Ah

[vague tusk]

very epic work mate

[torn brook]

yeah the camrea work is insane

i also have yet to finish it

i watched most of it late at night and didn't expect real drivers to be on there lol

i was whisper-screaming "GRAHAM! GRAAAAAAHAAAAAMM!!"

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bqd3kjJfR8M

[past drift]

love how most drivers having onboards were super cautious and slow then, and he just went full blast

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEFDfctC_6M

More of Depailler

[hardy briar]

What an odd looking car

[signal flint]

Depailler is way to underrated

[past drift]

agree, he would certainly get a win with Alfa had he not died there and then

[round swift]

Alonso got aftertouched twice in Brazil

https://youtu.be/j3K09MhAPcU

https://youtu.be/-3qIFPP62zk

[signal flint]

yea, when i read that he'd died i got a bit sad, he was a bit like Price in that sense,he had potential but died before he could reach it

[timid pollen]

Legend

[round swift]

agreed

[willow gorge]

for some reason i could never find this

huge incident

[grave ermine]

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1602229858784153600?s=20&t=e33i7RlApLM8IN12DveNBg

McLaren (@McLarenF1)

Happy birthday, Emmo! Our first-ever world champion, a 14-time race winner and motorsport legend. 🎈🏆 @emmofittipaldi

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Twitter · Dec 12, 2022, 9:12 AM

[round swift]

Bruno Senna definitely has the eyes of Ayrton. I can definitely see it.

[vague tusk]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/3ZSFTO-nYbY

this is eerily like him

[chrome basin]

honestly i like the look of the car, the front/back wing give me indycar vibes

[hardy briar]

It’s interesting

[oblique dock]

The 1978 Tyrrell was a pretty cool car

[signal flint]

That is terrifying

[vague tusk]

TIL the Lamborghini Countach was a safety car in the 1980s.

[sweet stratus]

I wish they made it a different colour

[slow grail]

f1's first safety car: porsche 914

[woeful rapids]

It's the picture

It'd be a nice red in reality

[sweet stratus]

Why am I getting fooled

[slow grail]

more red + f1 logos

[woeful rapids]

Yeah but that's a Diablo

[slow grail]

ye that's not a countach

ffs

[woeful rapids]

Exactly

[slow grail]

i got fooled by the wheels

[woeful rapids]

Countach better

[past drift]

the countach safety car is hot

[slow grail]

yellow countach

[woeful rapids]

They also did a white one

[woeful rapids]

I know the wing does more bad than good and is shit but the countach looks so much better with it

[sweet stratus]

I'm used to seeing it without wing

[grave ermine]

HOT

[south tree]

Depends on the car

[modest moth]

is bruno senna good

[vague tusk]

no

from what i remember he was shit

[past drift]

he was mid

but then he's like Damon, didn't really start his racing craft until his late teens

[slow grail]

bruno senna

one of the biggest what ifs in f1

[round swift]

After his uncle died, his mother didn’t allow him to pursuit racing until later in his life

[manic reef]

If he did then maybe he would've been a level a bit above mid

If Ayrton didn't die

[oblique dock]

Mark Blundell, Mclaren MP4/7A

[round swift]

https://youtu.be/cxOWLGHFyeU

[oblique dock]

The MP4/6 with white panels instead of the usual black panels look so odd

[round swift]

What panels were suppose to be black?

Oh nvm

[echo furnace]

.truth

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[round swift]

👍🏼

[sweet stratus]

Prost=senna

[woeful rapids]

.truth

[north sand]

Prost > Senna

[sweet stratus]

.lie

That's not a thing

[oblique dock]

.lies

[north sand]

Senna > Prost

[sweet stratus]

Bruh

[sweet stratus]

I agree with this

[round swift]

It’s true

[distant scroll]

.lies

[north sand]

Senna > Prost

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418152690044895242/1040935492633509888/unknown.png

[idle gale]

The Finn and The Michael

[round swift]

ayy

[queen saddle]

Guess what's wrong with this image.

[round swift]

MP4/3

https://s2.glbimg.com/8aybywT-lV9BqPLQrwgPRpD_euc=/0x0:1194x666/984x0/smart/filters:strip_icc()/i.s3.glbimg.com/v1/AUTH_bc8228b6673f488aa253bbcb03c80ec5/internal_photos/bs/2019/5/L/rU5Hk9Sq6ZwDsQk2Z71Q/5ca3be34ba4e293c12bd72dcfd8e493a5504e9b5ef220.jpg

This one is from 1983

[queen saddle]

Correct! The MP4/3B was the first McLaren powered by Honda.

[queen saddle]

"I hope that Da Silva kid decides to race for us in the future. He has so much potential."

[echo furnace]

.kmag

[north sand]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/418152690044895242/1040935492633509888/unknown.png

[willow gorge]

what's wrong with it

[oblique dock]

Senna's driving the MP4/3

(which has been used as a test car)

[oblique dock]

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/lfcplu/jackie_stewart_leading_the_formation_lap_of_the/

All from 1978

[woeful rapids]

Why does Stewart still have the car jack

[oblique dock]

I think it's most likely a mount for a camera

Just like this

[woeful rapids]

Weird

Was it a big disability

Driver vision wise I mean

Sure looks like it is

[oblique dock]

Well back then camera mounts were never used for races

[woeful rapids]

Huh?

[woeful rapids]

Also the driver looks so exposed here they must have removed so much body work

[oblique dock]

I guess it's just for making room for the camera mount

[woeful rapids]

This says he has the camera mount on for the formation lap

It seems like a big safety risk and something that messes with the driver and car

[oblique dock]

Yes, but that was 1978. And at the time Stewart was done racing in F1

[woeful rapids]

I figured that was a little late for him

I was confused about that aswell

[oblique dock]

Besides, would the FIA really allow cars to carry huge mounts during a grand prix?

[woeful rapids]

So he just led the formation lap?

[oblique dock]

Yeah

[woeful rapids]

Yeah I thought that too

They gave him an F1 car just for a formation lap

[oblique dock]

Even while retired from F1, Stewart still manages to be a bit busy on the track.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MiIGF2Ipno

Stewart giving an overview of the track while swinging the car around

Oh yeah, Stewart was 39 years old in 1978

[torn brook]

early gopro

[hardy briar]

Free practices only right?

[oblique dock]

i guess so

[past drift]

about Prost F1 around 98: “I remember a meeting with John Barnard. when he was asked how to make the car quicker, he drew the Mercedes star on the engine cover of the car, while a Peugeot guy was in the room”

[round swift]

I used an openchat AI to see who the greatest f1 driver in the sport

The answer it gave back is understandable

[sleek cargo]

by a huge grief i have to say that former f1 driver from the 80s Philippe Streiff has passed away

[oblique dock]

Rest In Peace, Philippe Streiff. His only podium came at the 1985 Australian Grand Prix

[sleek cargo]

His career ended in 1989 where he had a terrible crash during testing at Jacarepaguá, week before the season opener at the same circuit, he survived, but he was put in a wheelchair for the rest of his life.

[oblique dock]

Man, first Tambay, and now Streiff.

[sleek cargo]

and day before christmas eve, jesus

[oblique dock]

😔

The past 2 years and this year hasn't been kind to the racing world. We saw the deaths of Stirling Moss in 2020, Murray Walker and several others in 2021, and now in 2022, we have Streiff, Tambay, Mateschitz and a few others

[sleek cargo]

Tony Brooks also

[oblique dock]

The last surviving driver to have won a race in the 1950s

[oblique dock]

And outside of F1, there was the death of Kunimitsu Takahashi.

[sleek cargo]

but yeah that's sadly life, it's like a russian roulette, we never know what will happen tomorrow, so we should enjoy every second of it, this was a lesson i had to hardly learnt it when my friend got murdered

[oblique dock]

Jesus...

I'm very sorry

That's just brutal.

[sleek cargo]

it is, but what was worse that it was his friend, but let's rather not talk about it

[oblique dock]

yeah.

[round swift]

Condolences

[frozen prism]

I think also Reutemann passed away

[oblique dock]

Right

Along with Johnny Dumfries

[wise dirge]

Charlie Whiting in 2019...

[manic reef]

Wait what?

Dumfries passed away?

[oblique dock]

Yeah

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC_5okiQShI

[round swift]

"The handling of my car was terrible from the start. Understeer here, oversteer there...I was getting into huge slides, taking huge risks, to run 15th. Why risk a big accident, maybe break a leg or something, and put myself out for the rest of the year – so I can maybe be 12th or something? Everyone does what he wants with his own car and his own life. I know maybe I lost the championship today, but I decided to stop."
Alain Prost in the McLaren pit following his retirement from the British Grand Prix.

https://youtu.be/mK7x9nuVkmo

[grave ermine]

https://twitter.com/sennatheking/status/1607067690052603906?s=20&t=p6DiqcveU2AWoNFZI133Xw

Senna 🇧🇷 (@sennatheking)

Mark Blundell in his crashed Ligier watching Ayrton Senna and Michael Andretti during practice for the 1993 British Grand Prix 😱

Should I Stay or Should I Go

#F1

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Twitter · Dec 25, 2022, 5:36 PM

so scary

[round swift]

iirc bernie often used to go away from a race when it started

he often used to leave because he used to believe that his job was done

he couldnt do anything else sitting in the garage

often used to call from the airport asking for the result

[slow grail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH9b2KSGipc

[round swift]

rubens having some fun

[oblique dock]

Nobody:

Keyboard users:

[round swift]

What year is that? Kinda curious

My guess is 2003

[past drift]

it says peugeot, the shirt is blue, my guess is 1995

[round swift]

1995

[round swift]

he was a ferrari driver in 2003

[round swift]

Damn lol

[manic reef]

Thats probably Indycar II i think its the name

[meager pewter]

Dude F1 99-02 came out in 2003

That was a league above that

[round swift]

its indianapolis 500

[meager pewter]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/y9iCDS80YJ2lsrGJkKh_frIEnj5nUYE1sJDJJI6V73E/%3Fv%3D1634190517/https/cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0465/2033/6546/products/81ZKajx1qJL_1024x1024%402x.jpg

[oblique dock]

Mugen-Honda

[meager pewter]

Uhuh

[oblique dock]

Ligier JS43 Bridgestone Test car

[idle gale]

Perhaps one of the few times Ferrari were keen on trying out an improvised trick to achieve some additional performance

[manic reef]

X-wings

uh

Looks interesting

Sauber's x-wings was the worst imo

[round swift]

https://preview.redd.it/8k6f67e310641.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=52bc2a67df6f338d7358c9d4f6a1e08e12845b5f

[queen saddle]

"It was at this moment that he knew he f--ked up."

And is it weird that I like Stefan Johansson for sharing my birthday?

[oblique dock]

oh.... Austria '87

[queen saddle]

It's morbid how that's the most memorable highlight of Johansson's stint with McLaren, but at least he managed to score some podiums that year and do test runs with them in 1990.

[oblique dock]

Along with giving Onyx their first and only podium, not to mention him scoring his final ever career podium

[queen saddle]

Then he failed to qualify for any races in 1990 and 1991. I wonder if he drove the MP4/5B or MP4/6 in his last test sessions with McLaren around that time?

[oblique dock]

Never knew Johansson did tests for Mclaren post 1987

I know that Mcnish, Blundell, and Pirro all did tests with Mclaren, but not Johansson

[queen saddle]

At least that's what he claims in his McLaren & Me article, but there are no pics of his tests in 1990.

"We always maintained a good relationship afterwards, and in 1990 I did some testing for McLaren and Honda at Suzuka. I helped to develop the paddle shift and a new gearbox and other bits and pieces."

https://www.mclaren.com/racing/heritage/driver/Stefan-Johansson/mclaren-me-stefan-johansson-26666258/

[oblique dock]

Wow, that's actually fascinating.

[queen saddle]

Indeed. It's intriguing to think he might've tested the MP4/5B or an early MP4/6.

[oblique dock]

Or even the MP4/5C

[queen saddle]

That's a possibility too.

[queen saddle]

Was the MP4/5C ever tested again after the session with McNish in Silverstone?

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/XN7Co7Rn2w4?t=197

Are you talking about this test or a different one?

Also, if you pause the video at 3:50, you can slightly make out the helmet design

[queen saddle]

My eyes could be fooling me, but that looks like Senna's helmet. Probably not Johansson unless he was testing incognito with someone else's helmet like what Prost did.

[oblique dock]

It's definitely senna, because there's that slight shade of yellow, plus that stripe of the side of the helmet.

[queen saddle]

I found a pic of the McNish test on Flickr. I'll send it here in a bit.

[queen saddle]

Yep, definitely Senna there.

Allan McNish tested the MP4/5C in Silverstone before the 1990 French GP.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/kartingnord/13112251643

[oblique dock]

I happened to stumble across this while looking for photos of the MP4/5C

I wonder what sort of test was being conducted

Ok, now I found some info behind this

https://ge.globo.com/motor/formula-1/blogs/f1-memoria/post/2019/11/16/raridades-13-ayrton-senna-e-os-carros-desconhecidos-que-guiou-em-testes-pela-mclaren.ghtml

Apparently Mclaren experimented with the design of the air intake

and that it was inspired by the air intake Ferrari used at one point

This was from 1989 by the way

[queen saddle]

Interesting pic! I'm guessing that would've been the body profile of the MP4/5 if the regulation change never happened and it got to run on a turbo engine.

[oblique dock]

It would have been interesting, but weird to see Mclaren use that airbox configuration for the whole 1989 season

(or maybe even further than that)

Oh yeah, this is from the same article I found. Senna testing the MP4/5C at Estoril

[past drift]

i prefer that race he finished on 3 wheels… germany?

[round swift]

@oblique dock do you think you can find out who this driver is in that picture?

Has to be a 1995-1997 Williams I believe

[oblique dock]

Jean Christophe Bouillon

?

[round swift]

Could be

Let me search up a picture of him

Yup it is

Thank you

He raced with Sauber for the 1995 season

Thought he was a Test Driver for Williams but maybe not

[oblique dock]

Why and how did I vaguely remember Bouillon

[round swift]

Lol

Says he tested with Jordan and Tyrrell too

[pastel ginkgo]

found this yesterday on karting place

[sweet stratus]

Looks pretty thick

[meager pewter]

Why's that the focus with the glorious Isuzu?

[idle gale]

Very interesting design...

[umbral ermine]

Am I the only one that thinks the March CG891 was a really good looking F1 car? (Or any of the Leyton House F1 cars in general)

[brisk quiver]

Ye, I agree, this March livery looks nice, it's similar to the Benetton B194. Both prove that green-blue combination works nice on F1 cars

[south tree]

They look pretty good overall, but my favorite still is the one that competed in 1988

I mean the 881

[past drift]

my fave is the 1990

[meager pewter]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Ivan_Capelli_1991_USA.jpg/1200px-Ivan_Capelli_1991_USA.jpg

https://live.staticflickr.com/3701/13454092794_4abc5b5bc2_b.jpg

[harsh cipher]

Damn that’s hot

[lavish moth]

Finally somebody decided to speak facts

[north sand]

Congrats @lavish moth, you're now on lap 20

[torn brook]

Lauda taking Fittipaldi for a ride.

[chrome basin]

love this design. it's just funny looking

[chrome basin]

sex

[past drift]

average 1975 design

[idle gale]

"Your Uber is here"

[frozen prism]

Graham Hill at the 1958 & 1975 Monaco Grand Prix

[torn brook]

oh ronnie!

[oblique dock]

Didn't realize that Gunnar Nilsson was standing next to Andretti until now

[glass yoke]

bro i wish

[meager pewter]

Chill dawg

[signal flint]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CnAmgTXB38n/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

[round swift]

1987 de Creaseris had only 1 finish out of 16 races 💀https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_de_Cesaris?wprov=sfla1

[willow gorge]

bruh wtf

[past drift]

yet he got a seat the season after

[torn brook]

oof

[manic reef]

The 80's had anyonr drive an F1 car

But De Cesaris was a fast idiot like Nelson once siad with another driver

[round swift]

Perry McCarthy, shown next to his Andrea Moda S921 (which would blow its engine), was forced to miss his Formula One debut at the 1992 Spanish Grand Prix.

The FIRST Stig, Perry McCarthy. He also went on to drive for Panoz in 1997 or 1998 (or both)

[ornate cobalt]

I feel bad for Perry here

he never got a proper chance as Andrea Moda was a train wreck of a team that was never on the pace

[green cape]

was there some kind of boomer meme about katayama back in the day?

I'm going through the 96 season highlights and every single time he retires or something they say "...but its been two years since he last scored a point."

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSplJwpMBnk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elHkMmHzT_Q

[green cape]

man how the hell can max verstappen finish a race

take a shot every time jos crashes out in 96

finish the bottle when he completes a race

[idle gale]

"Big balls"

[round swift]

[torn brook]

balls

he peeks!

[fickle rover]

Um, I would like to ask one thing. Which Engine did McLaren used during the 1993 season? The Ford HBE7 3.5 V8 or the Ford HBA8 3.5 V8? Or both?

Chassis of McLaren used in 1993: MP4/8

Because even Wikipedia nor McLaren official web has clarify that

[past drift]

both, they got the newer Ford engine at the british gp, with pneumatic valves and TAG electronics

but started without it

[fickle rover]

Ok

[chrome basin]

question, where did you get this pic from

[torn brook]

i searched him up in bing and dug for a bit. didn't really pay attention to where it came from bc i've been searching for it for a LONG while. i'll image search dw

ah. pinterest.

[torn brook]

no wonder..

[solemn plaza]

does any1 have some rly good scumacher or vettel wallpapers?

[round swift]

Michael Schumacher?

[solemn plaza]

ty

[willow gorge]

ferrari

[sweet stratus]

They used a ford f150 engine

[meager pewter]

Bescuse me?

[sweet stratus]

I answered the question

[round swift]

A Schumacher in a McLaren. Extra-ordinary.

[oblique dock]

Not the first time he's driven a Mclaren

[round swift]

You mean he’s driven a McLaren before 1996? Care to share as I can’t find anything else

[oblique dock]

He drove one of the Lark F1 GTR's during the 1996 JGTC season

He came 2nd in the championship that year behind the drivers of the other Lark F1 GTR

[round swift]

Oh but I meant in Formula One

Still pretty cool though

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FirEYFW0MBY

Schumacher in the Mclaren

[round swift]

Name a better trio podium than this, I’ll wait.

14 World Championships, 183 Race Wins, 166 Pole Positions, and 341 Podiums out of 666 starts!

[fathom oxide]

What race was this at?

[past drift]

in a few years, a podium with Lewis Seb and Max will be as important

[round swift]

1993 Spanish Grand Prix

[round swift]

Sorry but I don’t think if Seb ever comes back that he’ll be on the podium with either Lewis or Max.

[past drift]

but Michael wasn’t a champion on that pic

[fathom oxide]

Has there ever been a podium with all three of them, Lewis, Max and Sebastian?

[past drift]

probably in 2016-2019

haven’t verified

[round swift]

But he is now! Alain still had a ton of more podiums to collect throughout the season still aswell

[past drift]

my point, find a pic with lewis seb and max, and you will certainly have as many titles as that picture above in the very near future 🙂

which in objective terms, make it a better podium trio

[round swift]

I’m sorry but that hasn’t happened yet and probably never will with him retired and Lewis going to retire too soon, remember he’s 37!

[past drift]

oh it’s never happened? wild

[round swift]

Wait it has

Wait how many wins in that

191

Oh frig

[past drift]

china 2017

[round swift]

Abu Dhabi 2018

[past drift]

right so there’s been a few

[round swift]

So wait we need to calculate all of this

How many pole positions and podiums, because they have more wins

180 pole positions

[past drift]

Lewis has so many poles

[round swift]

390 podiums

Damn it beats Schumacher Senna and Prost

[pastel crescent]

That's hard to believe

[round swift]

It just falls short for world championships

[pastel crescent]

Yeah

Well for now of course

[round swift]

Lol

Max 8 time world champion?

[pastel crescent]

Probably not

5 is realistic

I don't think red bull can do what mercedes did for lewis

[queen saddle]

Found out from Autosport forums that Senna raced against Henri Toivonen in F3. I wonder if there's any footage of them together?

https://forums.autosport.com/topic/213646-henri-toivonen-in-british-f3/
http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/formula2/F382_GB31.htm

[past drift]

oh ye? interesting, it doesn’t say he did in the 1983 british f3 championship page

[queen saddle]

It was during Senna's first F3 win in 1982 (before becoming a regular driver). As for Toivonen, he probably stopped racing in F3 by the next year.

[hardy briar]

Senna 3, Schumi 7,Prost 4, 14 total
Max 2, Lewis 7, Seb 4, 13 total 😮

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMnhBInl9go

The Yamaha V10 in full swing

[grave ermine]

https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/1613833008028450817?s=20

McLaren (@McLarenF1)

#OnThisDay in 1974, Denny Hulme took his 8th and final victory in Formula 1 at the Argentine Grand Prix. 🇦🇷🏆

This was also the last F1 win by a Kiwi. 🇳🇿

Likes

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Twitter · Jan 13, 2023, 9:39 AM

[past drift]

first win for McLaren in Marlboro colours

94 more would follow

[past drift]

https://twitter.com/F1_Images/status/1614212838712655873

Ken Tyrrell: please be cautious while driving with the camera mounted on your car, we don't want either to be damaged
Depailler: no

F1 Images (@F1_Images)

Patrick Depailler 🇫🇷, Tyrrell-Ford, US GP West - Long Beach 🇺🇸, 1978. #F1

▶ Play video

Twitter · Jan 14, 2023, 10:48 AM

[deft prawn]

Picture during new Hockenheimring construction shows quite nicely why the old circuit had to be torn up and replaced by trees
Absurd amount of cut down trees for the new track

[mossy monolith]

they should just bring Nurburgring back (GP circuit of course)

[quaint yew]

north loop*

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zMq1zslJGI

An angry Alesi confronts Brundle

[round swift]

Lmao

[round swift]

Bangkok Utopia https://youtu.be/VW7vC_OskXU

[acoustic void]

A car my dad built from scratch back in 2020 (a replica not a real one) used the original designs from the Tyrell family

[wise dirge]

No shot he built that from scratch

Did he have a team?

Either way that is insane if it is true

[past drift]

looks epic

does it run?

[lavish moth]

This is amazing! Is this the first replica your dad has done?

[solemn pawn]

lmao the giant camera in the front

[acoustic void]

Ye it runs in the masters historic series

[acoustic void]

Ye I think so

[acoustic void]

Ye with the original designs from the Tyrell family

[acoustic void]

Ye it was with a team

[round swift]

What year?

[slow grail]

1981

[past drift]

fun how Prost immediately got the better material

[round swift]

Air time

[hardy briar]

Homie got the wrong sort of ground effect

[oblique dock]

Prost took the term 'flying lap' a bit too seriously

[trim solstice]

how did prost make that car fly

[round swift]

I don't even know maybe contact ??

[past drift]

yes with those you see on frame

[round swift]

A collision with Prost exiting Ste. Devote broke De Cesaris's front suspension. As they went up the hill, drivers went either side of the stricken McLaren, including John Watson who banged into his team mate and shoved him into the side of Andretti. The both went into the barriers and out of the race.

http://www.the-fastlane.co.uk/cpdb/crashphotos_view.php?editid1=1929

[past drift]

1981 McLaren in a nutshell

[round swift]

Lol

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FgntXe_jI

[idle gale]

Sheesh...

Martin definitely had an extremely rough time

[manic reef]

Just a bit of a scratch in the car nothing too serious

[wise dirge]

Tis but a scratch

[distant scroll]

There’s a new strategy on the MFD.

[willow gorge]

wtf

[distant scroll]

Turn off the car and wait for the Marshalls.

[idle gale]

When you parked your car on a hill and then you remembered that F1 cars doesn't even have proper handbrakes

Here's the video of that moment https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFoYmJK9S50&ab_channel=JoeSchulze

[hardy briar]

[round swift]

runs to the spare car...asks which direction he has to drive out of, to get to the exit of the pitlane

[round swift]

damnnnn

[hardy briar]

Well shit, everyone else just lost coolest dad of the year award

[acoustic void]

Haha now I work with him on group c cars

[mighty tendon]

"Formel1 Jarno Trulli Prost rollt davon" 💀

[round swift]

Lol

[fickle rover]

I wanna ask actually which Engine did Benettom B189 and Benettom B189B used during their races? Cuz I heard someone said Ford HBA1 only, some said only Ford HBA4, some said both. Which one of these are correct?

[oblique dock]

both

the HBA1 and A4 were used for 1989 and 1990

[fickle rover]

In which race(s) specifically for A4?

Or A1 only if few races were participated by A1

[oblique dock]

That I do not know

[fickle rover]

Because I saw on Wikipedia and statf1.com that 1989 benetton races got both A1 and A4 engine but didn't mention which race

statsf1.com just say “Ford Cosworth HB V8” and that's all

@oblique dock

[fickle rover]

For B189B

For B189, it said only “Ford Cosworyh DFR V8”

Anyone can help us?

[crisp dagger]

This was cool to see last summer

Jim Clark’s Lotus 33 from 1965

[round swift]

The basic version, subsequently designated HB I, made its debut in France in July 1989. This version was used exclusively by Benetton. The power of the first HB version was estimated at 630 hp, about 40 hp more than the DFR and 40 hp less than the Honda RA 109E, the most powerful engine of the 1989 season. The fourth HB version was released for the British Grand Prix in July 1990. Significant innovations came into effect with it. The pistons, the cylinder heads, the valves, and the valve control were newly designed. The maximum speed increased by 1000 to almost 13000 revolutions per minute, the performance was according to Cosworth at "over 650 bhp". The HB IV was used by Benetton in 1990 and Jordan in 1991. For the Canadian Grand Prix, the HB-IV engine received a "minor update", which Jordan's chief engineer, Gary Anderson, considered "purely cosmetic"

[gloomy junco]

Ayrton senna

My country to come back later when drugovich get a main Seat

[lavish moth]

Safety is key

[queen saddle]

"I hope nothing horrible happens between these 2 cars."

[past drift]

:/

didn't need to be reminded that

[round swift]

The Lotus 88. Although the car was not allowed to race, it was the first car nominally built to Formula One rules to use a carbon fibre monocoque chassis.

The picture above is the Lotus 86

Not sure if these two picture are the same formula one car

[oblique dock]

Huh. All this time I thought Mclaren were the ones who introduced the carbon fiber monocoque chassis

I think Mclaren got more credit for it than Lotus

[past drift]

probabluy because that 88 never raced, so Lotus raced with a cfc monocoque later than McLaren with their MP4/1

[round swift]

It wasn’t allowed to race according to the FIA for ‘exploitation of the regulations’.

[past drift]

it wasn't allowed to race because Bernie and Frank cried

[round swift]

Lol

[past drift]

conveniently it removed Colin from the sphere of influences of the FOCA

[round swift]

Yeah since the Lotus 88 never raced, McLaren basically used it before anyone else had use it in a race and then Lotus 91 was the second F1 car to race to be built from Carbon Fibre.

[meager pewter]

The 91 is gorgeous

The Alfa romeo seems carbon also, tho the Ferrari definitely wasn't

I love the Alfa 182

[oblique dock]

Makes sense now.

[past drift]

Ducarouge really did a great job with these 82 and 83 Alfas

[meager pewter]

It's a shame they didn't get Benetton sponsors earlier

The darker Marlb does hit

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Alfa_Romeo_183T_Goodwood_Festival_of_Speed_2012_(37256969).jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Alfa_Romeo_185T_Museo_Nazionale_dell'Automobile_di_Torino.jpg

But.

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ig8tH9y9vu8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FO69uUMxh0

I wonder how things would be if there were more Turbo V8's in the 1980s. Maybe teams using Ford-Cosworth engines could probably use a Ford Cosworth DFX Indycar engine.... although it would have to be redone to fit F1 regulations.

[meager pewter]

A 1.5 DFX would be a yikers

An Offy... Hmmm

[oblique dock]

Hold on, weren't the DFY's 3.0 engines?

[meager pewter]

Mmhmm

Slightly more oversquared to allow more top end

[oblique dock]

So maybe a DFX could be enlarged to 3.0

to match the DFY's

[meager pewter]

Oh I never have heard it on track

But... But why?

[oblique dock]

https://youtu.be/6hAUUznHWm4?t=536

Here's the 183T

[meager pewter]

You heard the V12 sounding 84 Ferrari?

[oblique dock]

Yup

I can only assume it's running a 6-1 exhaust layout

[meager pewter]

Mmm

The best essentially

[oblique dock]

I'm surprised no team other than Ferrari thought about using the layout

[meager pewter]

It's a shame the current cars' exhaust efficiency muffles it out

[past drift]

can you link? sounds intriguing

[meager pewter]

https://youtu.be/Ve9dwnVmRtk

[past drift]

interesting, do you know why they tried this?

[meager pewter]

Adding more exhaust pulses into one pipe improves scavenging so...

I'd assume it'd be that, but for Turbocharged cars with an even firing 120°V6 I'm not sure it'd work as well

Unless they were trying to help the turbines from stalling

[manic reef]

Man i find the 85-86 benettons so fucking beautiful

[meager pewter]

What's the 85 one look like then?

[oblique dock]

Benetton sponsored Alfa Romeo and Toleman in 1985

[meager pewter]

I know but I'm tryna make a funny

[past drift]

you are funny dw

[meager pewter]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/fc/21/b5/fc21b5b89ea10d4e0fe9b4ee45d81665--formula-uno-f-racing.jpg

[round swift]

looks kinda cool though I like the stripes of colours on the back

wasn't the 1985 car called Benetton Toleman tho?

[oblique dock]

Nope. Just Toleman.

[meager pewter]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Alfa_Romeo_185T_Museo_Nazionale_dell'Automobile_di_Torino.jpg

would you lookit that, it's an excuse to post my favourite pair of colours

https://live.staticflickr.com/6101/6298323703_2426414812_b.jpg

[idle gale]

The track and road stallions

[modest badger]

Bruce McLaren

[chrome basin]

me too

literally

[chrome basin]

always loved the stripes

[past drift]

he overtook the Michael?

[novel briar]

That’s a classic one

Right there

[vague tusk]

i think so

[round swift]

Niki Laura’s helmet from the 1985 season

[idle gale]

If I remember correctly Alain Prost stated that he needed to be aggressive when he was driving a car with Active Suspensions, IE: the FW15C

Was that the same case with Nigel Mansell and his FW14B?

[paper fossil]

yes

because Mansell knew he had grip out of a corner despite the odd floaty feeling on entry

he was just that committed

[round swift]

https://i.redd.it/3wltr85e20941.jpg

[mighty tendon]

williams: is it mowing grass day?
mclaren: i think it is
ferrari: guys go back mowing grass day is tomorrow

[past drift]

Prost DNF during the formation lap, Alesi DNF on lap 2, the tifosi weren't extatic that day.

[oblique dock]

And then Senna won the race, which was his 3rd of 4 consecutive wins during the start of the 1991 season

[past drift]

he was angry they didn't have a semi automatic gearbox, but he still got off to an epic start despite that

that early reliability won him the season tbh

[oblique dock]

Yeah, Senna was very eager to get one, considering how Williams already already adopted it.

And then in 1992 Senna tested a version of the MP4/6 with a semi automatic gearbox

(Not to mention Mark Blundell, too)

[past drift]

but what you needed was already not that

[oblique dock]

Yup. Williams had their active suspension. And then around that time Senna expressed his desire to go to Williams, much to him being vetoed by Prost

[past drift]

wonder how good the 1993 season would have been with Honda staying and McLaren at Williams level in terms of electronics

which they more or less were

[oblique dock]

I think 1993 would’ve been close

[round swift]

I think Lamborghini would’ve been interesting too

[oblique dock]

Sure the V12 produced more power, but it was still unreliable as always

[past drift]

it could have been a good replacement, but probably not that reliable

Honda definitely had more knowledge and means than Chrysler

[round swift]

Senna liked it more than the ford engine they used

[oblique dock]

If Peugeot never entered F1, I think Mclaren would’ve stuck with Ford engines for another year, and I bet they would’ve got better results that year as well

[past drift]

probably, Peugeot fell for the trap laid down by Bernie and Max to make the engine regs the same for F1 and for WSC

[round swift]

‘The engine developed by Lamborghini was 70 hp more powerful than the one McLaren was using in 1993, besides being a V12. Senna was pretty excited with these numbers.’

‘Afterwards, at Silverstone, the Finn also tested the Lamborghini engine, and ended up posting a time 1s2 better than the one set with Ford engines during the 1993 British GP weekend.’

Crazy honestly

[oblique dock]

Yeah. If Lamborghini fixed all the problems with the V12, maybe then people would’ve seen something interesting

[round swift]

Yeah I’ll send the website I got that information from

https://www.ayrtonsenna.com.br/en/mclarenlamborghini/

It’s from the senna website

[oblique dock]

A second quicker than the customer ford engine…

[round swift]

Ikr

Mclaren was behind Williams about three seconds

In qualifying

So if they had the Lambo it could’ve been in the two seconds

Schumacher was two seconds quicker than his teammate!

[oblique dock]

Patrese

[round swift]

Yeah P3

[oblique dock]

It’s a wonder how Senna managed to fight the Williams with a customer Ford engine

[round swift]

How many wet races happened in 1993?

Was it only one

[oblique dock]

Interlagos and Donington were the only ones I can think of

[round swift]

Did senna win interlagos?

[oblique dock]

Yes

[round swift]

I’m sure he did

Yeah okay

[past drift]

he won Brazil in 1991 and 1993

even without spinning i doubt he would have beaten the Michael in 1994

[round swift]

Yeah I believed that even if senna survived I don’t think he would’ve beaten Michael IF Michael hadn’t gotten those race bans

[oblique dock]

Senna seemed to struggle with the FW16, so I’m not sure how his overall performance throughout the 1994 season would’ve been

[past drift]

it would have been much better like 2 or 3 races after his actual last race, they fixed the stability issues shortly after

and he was still blindingly quick, Michael never got a pole position while Senna was alive.

[round swift]

Poles don’t win races

[past drift]

they don't, but they show the potential of the car with the driver

[oblique dock]

Considering how the FW16 won the WCC, I think Senna might be level(?) with Hill or maybe a bit ahead of him

[past drift]

Hill is underrated i think, but Senna would have been ahead of him, easily

[round swift]

If Michael finished a race it was always a podium

For the 1994 season

[past drift]

Hill had like 6 pts when Senna died, that's not a lot

he finished 1pt behind the Michael

[round swift]

Because micheal missed like four races

Lol

[oblique dock]

And got disqualified for 2

[past drift]

hmm ye that's true, there's also this bit

[round swift]

And he DNF for one or two races

[past drift]

no clue if it would have happened with Bernie's pressure if Senna didn't die

it was just a stunt to make the title fight artificially tighter and try to gain back TV audience

[oblique dock]

Would this be done to aid Hill in a way?

Wait, let me rephrase

Was Bernie in Hill or Schumacher’s favor

[past drift]

Hill by default

idk if he really liked him

but Bernie needed an actual title fight for the value of his sports

without it, it would have been even less close than 1995

imagine the Michael isn't DSQ from Belgium 94

he's at 86 pts to Hill 51, 5 races to go

in our timeline, Michael did 1-2 before Australiam with Hill doing 2-1, so they're equal

3 races and 35 pts to grasp, Michael has won

now there's another disqualifications i've not covered i think

[oblique dock]

It sounds kind of hard to believe that Bernie literally did some stuff to make the 1994 season close for the purpose of viewership and sport

[round swift]

Yup

[past drift]

coming from Bernie, is it really hard to believe?

😄

[oblique dock]

Fair enough?

[round swift]

Micheal missed the Belgium, Britain, Italian, and Portugal Grand Prixs

[oblique dock]

To be fair, Bernie did have some radical ideas up his sleeve at some points, so yeah.

[past drift]

Britain he was DSQ while he had finished 2nd apparently

so add another 6pts to his tally

[round swift]

Yeah

https://www.reddit.com/r/formula1/comments/7d5auo/would_senna_have_beaten_schumacher_to_the/

Kinda funny reading this

[oblique dock]

Cursed Piquet

[paper fossil]

I mean McLaren probably had as good electronics as Williams really

and better chassis + aero

like they were fully just down on the power of Renault

very good chance senna would have won the title

not to mention Prost detested the FW15C and it had its problems

[round swift]

Well McLaren had a customer engine and Benetton had the works engine from Ford, but yeah a probably say the chassis was the same for all of them but the FW15C blew them away because it was the most technologically advanced Formula 1 car ever

[paper fossil]

sure

it was difficult to set up

and they couldn't develop

in part because senna was costing 16 mil

tbh

the fw15c only developed to a greater level

at the start it was just based on the previous car and originally for use in 1992

which is why williams had to eventually react when they realised mclaren had actually probably developed ahead of them

[round swift]

It was developed with active suspension in mind

[paper fossil]

also worth noting williams had 1992 data

mclaren didn't have such similar data

i think if mclaren had started out with a works ford engine deal then they might have had it better

still likely lost though

[round swift]

Williams also had ABS and an automatic transmission mode called auto up

Which was legal within regulations

[paper fossil]

that transmission grabbed on downshift

wasn't ideal

once again

this was all development into the season

mark hughes has talked about this before

mclaren and benetton both lost out on williams having the renault engine

[round swift]

I think it was a bit more than just an engine

[paper fossil]

nah

[round swift]

I mean it is one of the advanced f1 cars ever

[paper fossil]

yeah and

mclaren had like the same level if not better at the begining

[round swift]

ABS traction control automatic transmissions, CVT, carbon fibre brakes, etc

[paper fossil]

they weren't able to develop on much because senna was wrecking their profits

[round swift]

It was barely beatable

[paper fossil]

the car was more difficult to set up

and they were eating shit on power to benetton and williams

like bro

john hogan the guy at marlboro had to go to shell asking for loads of money just to cover senna

i mean listen to bring back v10's

it has been mentioned recently i think on the donington 93 episode

and before

i mean in general the Williams was better optimised

but McLaren had everything there with a better engine instead of having a customer ford and then parity from silverstone on iirc

don't forget Williams were able to run way more wing because of the Renault

to say the least mclaren should have probably just asked senna to take his sabbatical and go with andretti and hakkinen who were being paid penauts compared

would have actually been able to take the car further

more effort to have him there than it is worth for 93

[round swift]

Yeah customer engine had like 20-40 horsepower less than Benetton

[paper fossil]

martin whitmarsh said in like his 20+ years at mclaren the only time they failed to turn a profit was between 1992-93

[queen saddle]

Does aviation content with F1 drivers count here (e.g. Senna flying a Mirage, Lauda Air)?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-84BtTqsUXY

[oblique dock]

I guess?

The time when Piquet, Villeneuve, and Giacomelli all did a drag race with a fighter jet would count as well

[willow gorge]

wtf

[oblique dock]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqNwDJonNzo

[willow gorge]

bruh that's sick

[oblique dock]

Villeneuve removing the rear wing for extra speed tho

[willow gorge]

lol

[queen saddle]

Iconic moment. We also have a Williams FW07 racing against a Saudia 777.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gF-StSMqTs

[slow grail]

73

[past drift]

73 what, peanuts?

[vague tusk]

73cc

[round swift]

Lol no it had a 2,992 cc

[past drift]

73ci then maybe

[grave ermine]

never saw this car

[willow gorge]

probably had 300 dnfs

[past drift]

it wasn’t very fast, that arrows a2

[cerulean lava]

wtf even is that

[willow gorge]

probably a f1 car

[cerulean lava]

isnt that obvious?

[willow gorge]

yea

[past drift]

a cigar on wheels

[willow gorge]

you asked tho

[cerulean lava]

i was being sarcastic smh

[willow gorge]

probably

[grave ermine]

I see it in front of a ferrari

😂

now that's obvious

[past drift]

about to be lapped by it for the third time

[grave ermine]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/940568708294782998/1063371420450693211/image0.gif

[oblique dock]

Bellof and Senna at Mclaren. That alone sounds amazing

[round swift]

https://preview.redd.it/14ygfogu5eu41.jpg?auto=webp&s=7736e4e476e9a5fd53071da73b3658aa98a7e41c

[meager pewter]

Arrows A2, a Full send grounds effect car but like the Lotus 80, unstable, accompanied by a DFV that was tilted to make space for more tunnel room which screwed with weight distribution a bit

[woven zinc]

can't believe 2002 is "classic" now

dammit the pic I wanted to originally send of the F2002 didn't attach properly

pain

[oblique dock]

Oh damn, you're right

[paper fossil]

oh god