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first sprint weekend in my career mode in imola
not looking forward to it because of the shit pace of a williams
Oh, yeah, Sprints are a thing as well in F1 22.
I need that game.
But I still have to wait 5 days.
skull
it just fucking has no rear end stability and dies
every corner spin
💀
off throttle
with no fucking turn angle
and its gone
what does a damaged underbody affect during race?
downforce
rivalry against my rival Ricciardo now 25 to 14
exactly what time is the game dropping?
Bro this game is ass
Retire from Q1
then you cant do Q2 or Q3
and it starts you dead last
bruh
what
that's how it works?
yep
retired from Q1 and got 2nd, now I'm 22nd on the grid for the race
in real life
no
that's the rules
anybody know when the game is dropping in sweden?
Never
Don't stop pressing the throttle after turn exit?
Should be 8am for u
fuck
Wym don’t stop lmao
Braking asist?
No braking assist
N yeah I don’t get it
Or maybe I gave it to much throttle
Then your contoler or wheels throtle is fcked
You can fix it in calibration
Has this happened to anyone else: I am racing on Imola on my team and I am doing a sprit race for qualification. I get to the last turn on lap 4 and my game crashes
EVERY TIME
gave alfa romeo a wdc
should i choose a different team or make it a 2 time world champion at alfa romeo?
its today guys
2 time
bet
2 time
I've got a question
i fucking love the alfa romeo race suit bro
go on?
Does your audio glitch whenever your in a race?
no not for me
Then it lags again
mine just won't work sometimes
i'll ask him vehicle condition after i tap into somebody
he won't respond
i ask again, he responds
Happens to me too
Now it's only 4 days I have to wait.
I say "engineer repeat" but he doesn't answer
still 4 days too much
Meanwhile, aston martin move themselves further up the order.
The radio glitches
Just got into an accient and this is what I see
waiting for BWT bvbocon f1 team and the pink livery
Hate to tell you but it is gasly
guys what team to choose on carrer start in f122?
with bottas ye?
alfa romeo suit goat suit
the black red and white colors are so good
I ran with zhou as my teammate
ohh why
yeah i'm gonna drop to the worst car in the grid holy fuck
bottas is better
bottas is better yeah but i did a dumb thing and accidentally chose zhou thinking it would eliminate zhou from being my yeammate
i was wrong
Marc wants me to push for the position during qualifying?
zhou is only good when you want to have young teammate with propably good potential
me: starts qualifying
game: skips qualifying and starts the race.
yes.
thanks
fucking thanks
"Latifi just ahead push for the position"
oh wait we're not that far back
During qualifying
goatifi just ahead
but i'm gonna try and make it 4-5
yes
Michael is my teammate and his engine blew up right Infront of Mick
oh my god
Is anyone having a hard time with thier ers
It's draining our quite quickly for me
Yea
Runs out easily and doesn't charge
If I pre-order standard edition, will there be any benefits compared to me buying the game right when it releases?
I'm not sure if early access is available if you preorder now
I'm talking about standard edition
Mazespin
Don't think theres any benefits, probably additional pitcoin or whatever
this game is ass
Vettel just randomly went off line and slammed me into the wall
what the actual fuck
Before Alonso had a puncture already and held up everyone in the pit entry but the clip is too big.
That's what gave Leclerc the win.
Ah ok
love this game
glitches out, forces me into the race
I get up into 8th, engine blows up
F
He lost the rear a little I think
Wym
Maybe throttle although your throttle seemed to be good
I just gave it throttle out the corner n I just lost the rear for some reason
I got a puncture that's why I'm asking
Oh
Happens
Then what I said
Happen to much 😂
Not enough brake power
Lift weave
Kk
And try braking why not
I miss how last year I can just throttle high n if I lose I could counter steer and still not lose speed
Quite unrealistic tbf
This year u just lose speed suddenly
Hmm
You still can have your foot down technically
this year is too dificult the traccion
Just more risky
I don’t think I can race with traction off anymore 😂
Oof is it that bad
I’m more likely to lose the rear at sum point of the race
But I’m on controller
Maybe wheel drivers experience better
Mercedes front wing is really strong
I just beached my car
Russell crashed head on into me simulation damage as well
His front wing was barely damaged
What the hell is this grid lineup
What the fuck Hamilton qualified P22
Yep
There's a thing called day 1 patch.
Norris is battling with Leclerc on lap one wtf
That’s what I’m hoping for
I just took a new engine and ICE is at 19% after 2 races
What engine supplier
RBPT
also take note that you prob have no durability upgrades
I decided to make my team champion contender so it should be a few durability upgrades
That's alright
I mean not too bad
It'll just got 3-4 more races
Probably
OK so Michael got a 100% win rate in sprint races in my team
Norris 2nd wow
Goatifi is 11th brooo
Ah rip Leclerc stranded his car
Charles did a Carlos?
Yes heheheha
He's stuck on the side of the road
After turn 3 Austria
Ah wow he got the car going
But he's a lap down
Fr
Thats pretty standard, actually no thats very good even in f1 2021 terms
Ok that's nice
Maybe cause I'm on automatic
Box box box 🤣
Michael is leading the Austrian sprint less go
Yeah, automatic doesn’t have the ICE wear issues
Only manual
Yeah alr
anyone think that the cars have already been changed?
game is coming for buy without preorder at 3rd July?
aint that a pretty sight
Norris is leading the race in a shit boxx
tom?
Wdym?
im just trying to read the name through the scratched out screenshot
rob
💀
When does the game come up
Its only pre-order on the PS store
😦
Oh wait have i got to wait until midnight west cost time
Alpha feels so much smoother to race with then an Alfa Romeo
Why is the ps5 version more than the ps4 version wtf
I guess i'll wait and see tomorrow when it does release if the price goes down to 60 dollars or not
I’m getting so much wheel lock and im crying lol
@bitter finch any updates on trigger vibration
Nun yet
Is there a discord for the game only?
This is it
Like an official one
no it aint
nope
I tried making one and put up and invite with permission! but then mods took it down
Hello.
Hail
I am getting impatient but the game is releaseing tommrow. Is there is a way to get it today?
no
By like changing my computer times
Pre order
or smthn
sadness
Lol
LMAO ITD BE SO EASY
fr tho
Pay the pre order
Vpn at best but its bannable by steam
Change my computers time to 2030 so i can buy f1 2030
Who doesn’t have 80$
Oh
should've bought the champions.
Not worth ir for 20$ more
Congrats @lyric scaffold, you're now on lap 5
only real thing u get is money and 3 day early access
I still don’t know how to drive this dame car
So diff from 21
I swear down if the normal edition isnt 60 dollars for ps5 when it fully releases
Spinning on corners I usually don’t spin on is very crazy
I'll see if i'm faster tommrow.
lol
On turn 9 and 10 of Bahrain I never spun I’ve already spun on it like 5 times now
hopefully trigger vibration is fixed by when standard releases
Controller?
yes
Ah, You console or PC?
Controller > million dollar set up
pc
I’m ps5 with controller
Sick!
does trigger vibration work for u?
Yeah
it might have just been an ea trial thing
Ok might have just been ea trial
dmg model wasnt it
so maybe it was an early version
yeah for a couple months
Doing my first online race
Im canadian
hallo
I never been so scared to exit corners on full throttle now
im living in canada but im italian
Lmaoooo
eh
im scared when i finally turn tc off once the trigger vibration thing is fixed
Im in ontario.
look at my normal username (Potatoeh)
same
👀
Toronto Area or London Area?
toronto
This tc is bull Shit
I do trucking so the american border is closer.
oof im about 3hrs away
from London
pls don't doxx me with that info
I won't lmfao/
So somewhere along the white line
WAIT YO DO U WANNA STAY UP WITH ME TILL 2 TO PLAY F1 22
👀 I mean....
Wait-
LETS DO IT
IMA TRY TO STAY UP
LET ME COOL UP SOME REDBULLS
LMFAO TRUE
I showed this to my mom and she thought it was real life…
Good luck to you two
🤣
fr tho
Sleeping is overrated
i only have to sleep a tad
Okay!
Lol
LETS GOOO
My living room looks like my cat
YESSIR
WAIT WHAT?
Anyone coop ps4?
F1 22 drive to survive 😂
casually wins a race and gets pole in a haas
def a spec car
wdym a spec car?
equal cars
I think it is
I’m not complaining tho
How the hell is a haas faster than an Aston
Has anyone noticed that in the mobile version, lewis is always driving russel’s car
Ok so I retired from Q2 confident I'll get to Q3
And the game has put me at the back
WHHHHY
Jeddah of all places lol
The whole game is broken
Fax
PIERRRREEEE GAS1YYYYY
PEDROOOOO
Gaseoso
Gasly be lookin like a snow-covered tree
And I can vibe with it
Tomorrow is going to be another day of trying to practice starting
I think I’ve found another method of throttle control that may work
I might buy the champions edition I only have the Ea play atm
The Aarava approach
They still haven’t updated abu dhabi in the mobile version
just got an imola podium of leclerc - sainz - ocon
would have been russell in 3rd but he bottled it on the penultimate lap
sainz from p20 to p2
and leclerc had a max points weekend
4 races in and 3 drivers still havent scored points
alonso ricciardo and stroll
so thats a bug?
its a weird bug if its one lol
maybe
i am now 20th at jeddah
ffs
in the haas i had pace for at least p5
and i cant control the rear of the car through traffic there atm
great right

Just qualified 22nd at Melbourne, let’s go this car is really good 😂
Honestly if I can just get mid constructors this season that’s a W
Yeah getting somewhere p6 or p7 in constructors is enough to get you a really good car for the 2nd season
Yeah I hope so, this is my first my team career watched a few on YouTube and thought I’d give it a go with the proper settings, high faults etc hard to grow to make it as real as possible
I went Ferrari (being a Ferrari fan) and I went the Brazilian Fittipaldi seemed half decent for a cheap cost
Yeah I imagine so, I’ll upgrade durability early to prepare
I’m having issues with tyre wear too but I think it’s my driving
Is the champions edition worth the extra £10?
Man Hulkenburg was so close to a win at Monza :( dumb slipstream
Rip
I low-key like these hot laps
The acclaim and cash is huge
Bout to do Monza now, firsy sprint race not sure what to expect
i wish it wasnt challenges tho
I get that
i thought they would be completing a lap around a circuit in the safety car at first lmao
im learning that the williams has decent one lap pace but sucks in a race
doesnt help that the engine and aero are hot piles of garbage
but somehow it gets the job done in qualifying
for me
doesnt matter come lap 3 the next day when everyone else is attacking me from left right and centre but oh well
Gonna guess they removed Russia? That’s a shame bc it was one of my faster tracks 😅
It just pulled me and Latifi up mid formation lap then teleported us to the start while every else does the lap lmao
Wdc for the 2nd season but still have a battle with ferrari gotta need gasly to qualify well for abu dhabi
I’ve just killed me and latifi in the full wet at Monza, I lost it so bad
Won the championship by 45 points
What’s next for you now? Another season with Jag or a new challenge
I think ill rebrand to bmw wanted to do it for a while might aswell do it now
Ill keep gasly he's been great half the season
Im enjoying the grind of the firys season of the my team tbh it’ll be 4-5 seasons before I’m top half of the grid I imagine
Raving Miami for the first time, could go horrible
Would be nice
I have to wait to get f1 22 thought cant afford the damn thing rn
if i still dont have the game until december i guess ill wait for f1 23
Yeah I feel that I’m on Ea play rn but will probably just spend on it and pick up an extra shift
Wat da standing sausage doing
I might afford it since i have school instead of online for this year, but i plan to save for wheel instead of the game
Understandable, wait for the game to go on sale. I don’t have room for a wheel set up so I’m stuck with controller
I really dislike Miami as a track I’ve decided 😅
I like it until that last section under the bridge
Too tight and too slow, it kills the track’s flow
That’s why I don’t like it, I feel like I lose any gains there
It is a street circuit so its gonna be tight but personally i think its decently paced
Plenty of decent overtaking points and 1 long straight and 1 very long straight
Starting 11th on the grid anyways, which is my highest qual this first season Hopefully I can push into the points
My game just crashed, I really hope I haven’t lost the last 3 hours progress
Thank god
Unless the last 3 hours you havent raced
It won’t reopen the just says please wait lmao
Says I’ve got a DNS server issue what’s that
It actually saves everytime you do something in a weekend, so practise, quali, sprint or race
Could be a wifi issue
Or may just be a issue with your platform or game
Could be either or
Likely my WiFi not the best doubt it would be platform being ps5
Ye probably the wifi then
Fixed it
Nice
I don’t usually buy the game early but it’s so different this year I got to
did you start as championship contender?
Uh no im stil in f1 2021, Currently cant afford f1 22 lmao
And my wing just got smashed off rip
Forgot it was VSC and accidentally break checked him trying to let him past, That was not liked by Pierre Gasly
won both championships
That one corner at Spain is so much better this game
It’s 9:45 and waiting for f1 22 to come out
How long?
Every time I get an optimal pit stop there’s always an issue removing a wheel
Yeah they cost like two seconds
That’s a lot
Think it’s gonna cost me a point which is huge in the first season of my team with the hardest settings in terms of car development etc
I hope it’s not often for pit errors
I have faults on high so it’s more realistic for a new time
Damn
Well are the cars just one same model or you can change the design, example change the sidepods smaller?
Haven’t explored that far yet as I earn very little rnd
Biggest problems with my car atm is I’m having battery issues and It doesn’t do well from corners
Well now it is
But look at the time when I sent the first msg
Mate that message was less than 15 minutes ago
You scared the hell out of me
Woke up super early for it lol
Its not common dw
Ok
People who pre ordered the champions edition got it 3 days early
I haven’t gotten caught up with the games updates
Figured
Us Standard peasants have to wait an hour
I made some tea
Can I still buy the champions edition today?
Is the patch gonna be instantly released on release?
Damn
Why lol
It's an hour away
True
Not worth the money at this point
The bonuses
They're bad
The 18k pit coin is worth the extra £10 no?
Safety car isn't much special
Ye
Pitcoin is cosmetics
Like it’s only £10 difference pitcoin can buy some cool stuff and a podium pass
And paying for cosmetics ain't really a good financial decision
Still worth the extra 10 pounds so you have more customization options for my team
I'd say you buy lunch with that 10
That’s why I’m thinking as I play my team often
Na i just like burger n chips
£10 barely gets you McDonald’s in the Uk
Anyways idk if you can still buy it
Like £7 for a meal
you can
i dont thinks its worth is though
Yea same
Personally I feel the F1 games should’ve had these next gen features during the V8 era
Do you guys play standard or simulation damage
40 minutes till launch
If something has a 50% chance of success how does it fail 4 times lmao
I’m suprised this chat isn’t a riot rn
Time for Monaco, my car comes out of the corners like it’s Tokyo drift. 1st season of my team is a grind
I did lol
And I guess it’s not like 8 hours late
I went champions edition just bc I play my team so the customisables won me over about 10 mins ago😂
I bought standard but I played early because if EA play
Looking forward to clicking play when I get home tonight
I get why people go standard edition, I’ve got all day to play today anyways but going to watch the minions tonight, not a child but I was when they first dropped
imo champions wasnt worth it
Qualifying last in Monaco is not it
Gonna have to set my wheel to 360 operating range before I launch the game I can’t forget that.
what wheel
I want a wheel but don’t have the room as my accommodation ain’t the largest
Anyways do you guys play simulation damage or standard
Oh, I thought you needed the chair and all for accelerators, even then I need my desk for uni work etc
G29
Gonna play standard for a whole lol or I would DNF turn 1
nah u just need a desk to put the wheel on then somewhere to put the pedals under it
Turn 1 is tough tough
Hoping to learn the wheel quickly. Whilst finding the correct set up for each track
How long till the launch for you guys?
21 minutes but like 10 hours till I can play
Damn, you got school or work?
School won’t be back till 5pm
Rip
I can play it all weekend
I got work all day tomorrow unfortunately
Yeah I finsihed collehe a few weeks ago
It’s been so boring I’m glad a games out I can grind
Yeah I’m off now for 4 months till I start uni
Been there done that, I had to spend about 3 Months of my life grinding A levels dawn till dusk
I wish they’d fix it where the ai on cold tyres has no issue yet you’re bambi on ice
School has been a hard month for the year. We lost a friend to cancer. Raised nearly 10,000 pounds this week. So a bit bloody depressing
Yeah sounds tough buddy, stay strong though and keep moving forwards that’s the best you can do
It’s been 10 seconds chill
Enjoy
Get decent internet
It’s out
Let's gooo
But I can’t buy it
I can get my pitcoin now
Very shaky start
anyone have any good recommendations for what to map my wheel buttons too? like what functions are most important to be able to access quickly
ERS, DRS, MFD and radio commands i would say
FUCK trigger vibration still isnt on
Tuff
Omg Daniel just impeded me in practice
Could've gone 1 second faster than my time
have they already put out a first patch? im waiting until then to run some ranked and open lobbies and start career
5th point of my team career comes at a tenth place finish at silverstone
started midfield or bottom?
any problems with realase? f122?
no trigger vibration
bottom
My second driver keeps coming last I think I’m gonna sack him
ai?
assists?
Bottom
if u will start bottom you are still ahead of williams aston if i remember
your ai is prob too low also
if you start bottom you should mostly not be fighting for points
I race on 65 any higher and I struggle to compete
I think I were supposed to get 5k pitcoins for preordering? Where do i get those
I play on and off and assists are
Steering assist off
braking assist off
Anti lock on
Traction control full
Drift assist off
Dynamic race line off
Gears auto
I only have the corner line on
Yeah
This is my first f1 game, what assists should be on and off?
try turning off gears, it will help you @languid timber
Wym by that? So I control them myself
keep steering and braking assists off. if you wanna learn straight away turn off automatic gears, keep traction control and abs and racing line on for now
Alright
yes. automatic gears are really annoying through some corners, and manual gears can help you with corner exits too
I have absolutely no idea when to shift though
I think im gonna keep automatic gears for the first couple races. Got my g29 2 days ago
but tbh unless ur rly good at it it doesnt make you faster
yeah, get used to the game and wheel first
Just feels like a lot of buttons for a small controller if I’m pressing for breaks, drs, ers
you can use suggested gears and use those for now. out of slow corners, try to start in 3rd and go into 4th pretty quickly
you will get used to it
Yup, but is it just me or is f1 cars easier to drive than other cars in other games like asseto corsa?
f1 cars accelerate faster, have more downforce and are harder on the breaks, so they feel better when driving imo
Yeah they were awesome to drive
is f1 22 available for everyone now?
yup
noice
so lobbies are gonna get way more dirty 😦
@earnest bison u know this?
nope no idea
Did u preorder?
ye, champions edition
Sacked my team mate and picked up Piastri, he’s 500k cheaper wirh better stats across the board
Ferrari has won every race in mine
Piastri’s debut race in f1 is France
Gearbox watch that, it’ll go after about 5
Yeah they caught up fully at Spain for me
how are you meant to see if you have ers on??
it lights up green all around
im colourblind so it all looks the same 💀
Helps with sponsors and stuff I think
Who you sign as your driver
why is this taking so long to download 😦
ahahaha
Bro is the full price for the ps5 version actually £70?
drs is so weak it doesnt even matter, and straight line speed itsself can outpace ers+drs
so dumb
I went fitipaldi and he was crap so sacked him for piastri
I got pipped down by a williams
in the straight
with drs
yeah, some tracks you can even run 0 0 without losing that much
I think
i think it will be patched
currently yes, tracks with less turns extremely low wings are op
since with these huge cars its hard to overtake in corners, and straights belong to the shit setup low wings
Hello, does anyone know when the f1 22 demo comes out?
I finish between 18-22nd most races, my car is just so slow
the game is fully out
I placed myself in the top 5
every single time now
4th best car
I started from the bottom
First I checked out title contender
The demo too?
Wasnt fun
russel moment
Then I took midfield
So you dont have to drive the most shit car in the history of formula 1
idk which demo you are thinking of but the full game si out
The free trial of ps4
Going down a straight line in OSQ I just watch my position drop
oh yeah that is out
yeah
Ah no
can anyone pls help me
I went out I know I bought the game or taking it as EA play
Starting in 7th down at France, huge chance for some points
Someone f1 22?
But no free trial
I don't really use setups
well thats your loss
I'll learn how to make them and experiment later
I know, but this isn't helping
not using setups is a solid second or 2 in this game
but start at 80 maybe until you feel comfortable to put it higher
85
I just started the game I'll do them later
I'll go with 88
Experiment a bit
But thanks
Cuz Idk how hard the AI is
they are very aggressive with divebombs and defending, and have no wheelspin at the start, plus standard setup is slower than them and drs is way too weak
so unless you have pace advantage it will be hard to race them
I see
How do I assign my pit turn in button?
Can't seem to find an option for it
This
Congrats @languid timber, you're now on lap 10
The start wheel spin is insane
no idea lmao
What is it for you
The AI also don’t have cold tyres
On controller btw
Was there any update at release?
Not for me
nope, im still waiting for the patch
way too many bugs to actually play outside of tt
Same, want to play vr so bad
Wow there no traction
the handling and stuff is so sick though
its harder but way more rewarding
the only problem with racing itsself is the drs
Well that's quite realistic tbf
And yes the handling is sooo smooth
I like it alot
The car isn't throwing itself around as in 2021
the drs is a huge problem for games though
in games ppl are way closer to perfection, and having weak drs just adds to making overtakes way harder
someone who chooses a higher downforce setup will always lose out currently
Weak?
It's strong for me
Maybe I didn't experiment with it much
yes drs is weak
a slight setup tweak can nearly equal drs
which will lead to some ridiculous high speed setups
Yeah 2021 feel so fucking heavy for no reason too. In 2022 is much closer to assetto Corsa and how they do f1 cars
does max look weird af or is that just me?
But at least for me the cars steering is a bit to light
To me he looks so weird
2021 feels so much better to me
There aren’t free trial
Well 2022 is so much closer to other sims that correctly represent how f1 cars handle
yea
@earnest bison
8th place at france let’s go that’s more points for our constructors, starting to get in an okay position for season 2
i guess once i get used to it i'll change my mind
Up to 24 points in the standings putting me 7th by 11 points W
22 is getting a day one patch I'm assuming yes?
If so then I'll start my career mode after it drops
Yup
Literally have the worse car on the grid by quite abit
Everyone else has upgraded RND and I have decreased to make it exyta challenging
can i still play my 10hrs of ea play?
I’m about to go to Hungary bottom by a fair margin but we’re racing okay and getting lucky with dnfs of big drivers
Yeah
thanks a lot
Mines Zandervoort I suck st it
The formation lap gets boring pretty quick I won’t lie
Lando kinda slow
Did you start with a boosted car?
guys whats the best 16 races calendar? in your opinion
First season for me they scored 10 points in monaco due to hamilton spinning in the chicane so the backmarkers just went through the cars who where stopped 2 Sc in 25% race
you dont like canada zandvoort and hungary?
I just go for the full calendar gutted Russia is gone tho
Was my strongest track last year
so hows f1 22 for you all
So far so good
I don’t usually pay anymore than £30 for f1 but it feels so fresh this year so went for the champions edition
the rain is a lot easier than last years game, that's for sure.
Yeah they’re decent this yearX it’s fun tho,
I also love the new wing damage
You can actually drive with it now
Alot harder if you run Max speed
what sounds are you using television or mix?
I qualified in 21st but starting 18th bc of pens but I’ve got an amber light which ain’t good
Not bad FP2
Yeah he’s broken
P9 Lando P17
Bahrain, Imola, Monaco, azerbaijan, Canada, France, red bull ring, Silverstone, Spa, Hungary, Italy, Mexico, Brazil, Jeddah, Abu dhabi, Im shit in spain, Portugal, china, Cota, Suzuka but im planning on improving on those tracks
Am i missing a track idk
Pato O'Ward signs for Ferrari or Red Bull when
It’s easy to recover which is good
First corner
Marc: beware we’re seeing a loss of power
Already replaced it once
And it’s gone
Bringing Piastri in mid season so far has been very meh
Schumacher is impeding me bruh
160 rnd for a retirement lol
The hot lap at spa is so hard
Is F1 22 out?
In the wet up the hill in a car that’s got no grip
Soemtbing with a 70% success rate just failed three times what is this game
I’m sorry stuff like that’s a joke
Anyways going into spa P9, even one more point here is huge either way it’s £70k from my sponsor for a top 10 qual
Piastri last place tho rip
Miami is so fucking good
P7 to P4 on 88 AI
Ferrari realistic performance
Should I up the AI?
Riccardo is so so bad
He locks up and I’m chasing him down and I don’t have time to get out the way bye bye wing bye bye points
HOW
If only it was that easy
And battling with them is way better this game
Mf I had Perez pull off an insane switchback on me
The ai makes to many mistakes now imo
I’ve seen bottas behind so much
Just like irl though
Or usually more?
Just uninstall at this point
What do you guys think?